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**** Conference [ 62] - (Fido) Planet Connect

From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 1
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/07/93 10:04p
Subj: stuff                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Are we having fun yet......

John......

As you can assume this is a test........
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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2
  To: ANTONIO RIVEROS                          Date: 09/10/93 12:20p
Subj: Re: backup system                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> messages and they would be lost.   How about keeping..2 days mail on file
> request.  So if I miss Tuesday's mail, I can FREQ TUESDAY from 1:3615/50

   ALL mail is held here for 4 days. All you have to freq 0000FFFF.???
   Where the extension you would file in is for the day and bundle you want.
....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 3
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 09/10/93 12:21p
Subj: Re: P.C. Pricing                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> KJ> INTERNET on this thing?

> That's two vote for it.....  Are you listening Boyd ?  ;-)

   I already told ya. YES we will have the Usenet News Groups going over!!

...Boyd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 4
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 09/11/93  9:24a
Subj: problems                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 * Forwarded from "PCBETA"
 * Originally by John Morano
 * Originally to Ken Jackson
 * Originally dated 7 Sep 1993, 19:10

KJ> interested in your utility, if you are going to share it
KJ> with the rest of us beta guyz...

>Consider it done, I uploaded it to Boyd last night, I think it will be tic'd
>out over the bird.

KJ> --- GEcho/386 1.01+

>Is this tag for real? I helped beta GEcho, I guess I been out of touch to
>long. But I will assume it still doesn't support JAM.

John, about the only thing that is different between 1.00 and 1.01 are the
extended semaphore control files X*.* for Front Door and Intermail.  Other than
that, no big changes...

See ya                                                     Todd

... $ Look! We're not far from civilization!
___ TagDude 0.74α+

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 5
  To: ANTONIO RIVEROS                          Date: 09/11/93 12:56p
Subj: backup system                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 * Forwarded from "PCBETA"
 * Originally by Todd Lyons
 * Originally to Antonio Riveros
 * Originally dated 11 Sep 1993, 12:56

 > pick up the mail.  I am sure this would not be more than 8 megs of drive
 > space
 > to hold (2 days should be enough?).  This would sure make people easier
 > all

No, it would be more than 8 megs.  As it is, he does keep the mail for a few
days and has told us of a way to allow us to make his system resend it over the
satellite.

I can't recall it right now, but hopefully, Boyd will detail it again for us.

 >                                  Still Fighting NET342 to distribute

What I did in this net was get EVERYBODY in on the ground floor.  We
restructured our entire net around the distribution of this system.  I think if
you get everybody involved, it will allay<sp?> a lot of their fears.

Have everybody over for a Saturday or Sunday and let them watch the system work
as it transfers good files over to your inbound subdir, as it processes all
that mail, packs it up outbound, then comes back up to receive it. Probably the
most impressive part is when it starts copying all those files over, one after
the other.  Then let them watch as it receives them all again and then deletes
the ones that it's already processed.

Another thing is that I NEVER get any errors receiving.  The one time that I
did, I had a lightning storm going on just south of me.  When it moved to
directly over me, the errors went away <g>  Gotta love satellites...

See ya                                                     Todd

... (Blink)(Blink)   Simulated ANSI Graphics   (Blink)(Blink)
___ TagDude 0.74α+

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 6
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 09/11/93 12:58p
Subj: stuff                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Are we having fun yet......

 > As you can assume this is a test........

Well it passed on this end.

Hope it doesn't tick anybody off, but I replied to a message in PCBETA *AND*
forwarded it to this echo too.  Seems one or two people haven't switched over
yet.

They'll get the picture <g> when nothing comes in for a few days <g>

See ya                                                     Todd

... If at first you don't succeed, beat 'em up!
___ TagDude 0.74α+

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From: ROBERT WHITT                           Number: 7
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 09/12/93  1:51p
Subj: stuff                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

In a msg of <07 Sep 93>, John Morano writes to Boyd Goodin:

 JM> Are we having fun yet......
 JM> John......

I dont' know about you, but I sure am! I feel like Pogo: the world is my
lavatory!

Robert

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 8
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 09/12/93  1:47p
Subj: PCUtils                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I found it in my updates subdirectory and checked it out.  What advantages
does it offer over PCCHECK?

could you give some documentation on the NEXTx function?  If I were to guess I
run PCUTIL NEXT5 and it'll check 5 files at a time and then copy them over to
my mailer's inbound subdir 5 files at a time (in order of date??)??

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 9
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 09/14/93 10:47p
Subj: Re: Echo name change.                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> It seems that all the posts that I am getting are in the old PCBETA echo.
> How long before you cut it off?

   Just rename it to PLANET_CONNECT. This ones for the public. Also PCSITES is
for everyone that is connected via the sat so its a place for you all to type
at each other and anything you want me for. PCSITES will include messages that
I get from John on things that are going thru his system too well.

....Boyd

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 10
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 09/14/93 11:36p
Subj: PCUtils                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TL> What advantages does it offer over PCCHECK?

It works..... ;-)

TL> could you give some documentation on the NEXTx function?  If

NEXTx will copy x mail bundles from the HOLDING directory to your normal
inbound mail directory ( if you have PCU.CFG set up right ).

The program was writen to run on a network or under Multitask where you would
have one node or task doing nothing but gathering the mail being sent from
Planet Connect. PCUTIL CHECKx can be called from any node (task) and will rip
out the new files that where recieved from the last time it was called and put
them in a safe HOLDING directory, then it will clean out the downlink
directory and log,catalog,sort and basicly leave you a good audit trail in the
form of PCU_xxxx.LOG files so you can see exactly what the satellite is
sending, The NEXTx function can the be called at any time to copy one or more
mail bundles to the toss directory, this was done so your system was not
sitting there for 2 hours trying to churn out all that mail in one shot, it
can be done one bundle at a time whenever your system cycles on an incoming
call, The files and Tic's a copied to the holding directory also and will be
ticked out with any utility you like ( I have not finished the built in tic
function yet ) The newest version is 1.05 and is on it's way up the link as we
speak (I hope) if not FREQ PCU here at Genesis.
If you get the PCU.CFG set properly and do a SET PCU=path to that config file
you should be able to call PCUTIL with no options and get a lot of option
settings off the HELP screen. Sorry I haven't taken more time to do docs on it
please keep in mind that it was writen for Genesis for inhouse use and I just
figured you guys might be able to use it. The newest version has a little more
in the readme and there is also a log file that explains a little about what
changes I've made since that version has been uplinked.

Hope it helps.......

Words of wisdom...   BACK IT UP BEFORE YOU FIRE IT UP !  ;-)
John..........

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 11
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 09/13/93  9:35p
Subj: problems                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TL> John, about the only thing that is different between 1.00
TL> and 1.01 are the extended semaphore control files X*.* for

Thanks Todd, if you hear of an upgrade that will do JAM keep me in mind
please.

Now to keep this on subject the new PCUTIL is on its way to Boyd.....

John......
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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 12
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/14/93  1:29a
Subj: Echo name change.                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

It seems that all the posts that I am getting are in the old PCBETA echo.  How
long before you cut it off?

See ua                                                       Todd

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 13
  To: ALL                                      Date: 09/15/93  1:23p
Subj: Planet Connect/multitasking             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

All--

When we gonna be able to use this thing in a multitasking environment?

Ken

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 14
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/15/93  1:26a
Subj: P.C. Pricing                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

You siad My mail was tossing with a seenby of 3615/51. Can you tell if this one
has?


Thanks for letting me know.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 15
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 09/16/93  7:39p
Subj: Planet Connect/multitasking             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > When we gonna be able to use this thing in a multitasking environment?

Haven't been able to yet.  If you figure out a way, please let me know!
WRONG WRONG WRONG...

It's now about 30 minutes after I wrote message and I have gotten Planet
Connect to run under DV.  I threw DV on my server and started it across the
network and it's working wonderfully so far.  I'll post the pif in a few days
if the system continues to run smoothly.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 16
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 09/16/93  7:42p
Subj: P.C. Pricing                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > You siad My mail was tossing with a seenby of 3615/51. Can you tell if
 > this one has?

Probably not, since it got past 3615/50 and over to here.

Good to see you in here.  How much have you messed with the system??

Which software are you using all of this with?

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 17
  To: ALL                                      Date: 09/16/93  8:38p
Subj: hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

     Hi there!  Net124 (Dallas) joins this echo.


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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 18
  To: ERIC FISHER                              Date: 09/16/93 11:28p
Subj: this echo                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


    Eric, are you getting this ok?  How's that dish running?  :-)


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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 19
  To: BOYD GOODWIN                             Date: 09/17/93 12:25a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd,

Testing the message flow, just to help it get started and make sure I'm able to
receive it.

Dish is in place <g>

Dave

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 20
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 09/18/93 12:08a
Subj: Re: P.C. Pricing                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> You siad My mail was tossing with a seenby of 3615/51. Can you tell if
> this one has?

  Seems to be working ok now guy!

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 21
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/18/93 12:09a
Subj: Re: hello                               Refer: NONE
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> Hi there!  Net124 (Dallas) joins this echo.

   Welcome Clay. Glad to have ya aboard!

.....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 22
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 09/18/93 12:10a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Hello Boyd,

   Hello D.J.!

> Testing the message flow, just to help it get started and make sure I'm
> able to receive it.

   No problem. Get the receiver yet??


...Boyd

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 23
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/16/93 11:22p
Subj: Echo name change.                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Are we receving the MACINTOSH File areas and Amiga File areas yet? Those are in
big demand here.  Beside the MAC users seem to be the most generous people I
have ever found. PC are the cheapest!

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: PRESTON SMITH                          Number: 24
  To: ALL                                      Date: 09/17/93 11:20a
Subj: Here we are                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

Net 128 from Colorado Springs joins the echo.  Would appreciate any feedback on
problems, successes, failures, strengths, etc from a net that is using this
system to pick up their mail.  also how are you integrating the Net FIle Coord
(NFC) and Net Echo Coord (NEC) into the satellite feed process.

thnaks

Preston

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 25
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/18/93  7:17p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Clay Tinsley wrote in a message to Dave James:

 > Testing the message flow, just to help it get started and
 > make sure I'm able to receive it.

 > Dish is in place <g>

CT>      Hi Dave - are you going dishmail full-time?

Not right away, from what I hear, the feed is ONCE per day, where as right now
I get fresh echomail every three hours...

But, there is still almost the entire FILEBONE feed to look at! <g>

Dave

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 26
  To: PRESTON SMITH                            Date: 09/18/93  5:15p
Subj: Here we are                             Refer: NONE
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PS> appreciate any feedback on problems, successes, failures,

It works.  Just get the software set right and sit back and enjoy....

John......

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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 27
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 09/18/93 12:40p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Testing the message flow, just to help it get started and
 > make sure I'm able to receive it.

 > Dish is in place <g>

     Hi Dave - are you going dishmail full-time?


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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 28
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/18/93  3:32a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Dave James:

BG>    No problem. Get the receiver yet??

Nope, figure it will arrive next week sometime, depending on how it was
shipped.

Soon I hope <g>

Dave

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 29
  To: BOYD                                     Date: 09/18/93  2:45a
Subj: UseNet Feed                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd,

Anytime frame for picking up the UseNet feed off the internet yet?

Dave

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 30
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 09/19/93  9:27p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Nope, figure it will arrive next week sometime, depending on how it was
> shipped.

   Just UPS ground I think. Should be sometime this week.


....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 31
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/19/93  9:36p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> I think our thoughts are in the same boat.  If the echomail could be
> refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and
> 7pm rotation schedule.

   Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you out there that
still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what
time would it be best to refresh the flow. Now remember that we have to send
everything to the uplink via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss
anything there will be less chance of picking it up again since the
retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does everyone say?

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 32
  To: ALL                                      Date: 09/19/93 11:45p
Subj: PCUTILS Filearea.                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Everyone.

   Please add PCUTILS to your tic areas. This area will be for utility programs
for the Planet Connect or if you have an information file pertaining to planet
connect that you would like to pass on to the rest of the users. Just send
anything you want to be redistributed to everyone when you are dropping off
mail and I will get it up onto the bird with its own tic file.

.....Boyd

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From: JEFF JOHNSON                           Number: 33
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/19/93  4:34p
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, Haven't heard from you lately... I assume my mail packets have been
getting there with the correct id's



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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 34
  To: PRESTON SMITH                            Date: 09/18/93 10:57a
Subj: Here we are                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Friday September 17 1993, Preston Smith writes to All:

Hello Preston!

 PS> Net 128 from Colorado Springs joins the echo.  Would appreciate any
 PS> feedback on problems, successes, failures, strengths, etc from a net that
 PS> is using this system to pick up their mail.  also how are you integrating
 PS> the Net FIle Coord (NFC) and Net Echo Coord (NEC) into the satellite feed
 PS> process.

What I'm going to be doing is simply passing all the inbound packets to our
region hub who will process and carry out the distribution..no need to screw
with a system that works smooth as silk :)  This will go online once we feel
secure with the fact that the whole backbone is arriving in its entirety each
day at least by a specific time.

Cheers, Ken

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 35
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 09/18/93 10:59a
Subj: Echo name change.                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Thursday September 16 1993, Tim Jacobs writes to Boyd Goodin:

Hello Tim!

 TJ> Are we receving the MACINTOSH File areas and Amiga File areas yet? Those
 TJ> are in big demand here.  Beside the MAC users seem to be the most generous
 TJ> people I have ever found. PC are the cheapest!

the amigas SKY-stuff file areas are coming through nicely so far.

Cheers, Ken

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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 36
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 09/19/93 10:53a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Not right away, from what I hear, the feed is ONCE per day,
 > where as right now I get fresh echomail every three hours...

 > But, there is still almost the entire FILEBONE feed to look
 > at! <g>

     I think our thoughts are in the same boat.  If the echomail could be
refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and 7pm
rotation schedule.

     This is the biggest gripe in Net124 as well.  Perfect for file echos, but
adding another day to echomail is not too attractive.  We poll Souvestre four
times a day.


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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 37
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/19/93  6:45p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Clay Tinsley wrote in a message to Dave James:

CT>      I think our thoughts are in the same boat.  If the
CT> echomail could be refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would
CT> be MUCH better - like a 7am and 7pm rotation schedule.

Thrice would be even better yet!

CT>      This is the biggest gripe in Net124 as well.  Perfect
CT> for file echos, but adding another day to echomail is not
CT> too attractive.  We poll Souvestre four times a day.

Me and John's systems poll each other every 4 hours around the clock
7daysaweek.

This is to move the netmail quicker and keep the echomail flowing as quick as
possible... no one likes to read a day old newspaper <g>

Dave

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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 38
  To: ALL                                      Date: 09/19/93  1:32p
Subj: Re: this Dish Stuff                     Refer: NONE
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This is part of a recent conversation that took place in the Net 124/Net 130
(Dallas/Ft. Worth) Planet Connect discussion echo.  I was wondering how Planet
Connect discussions were going in other nets...


 * Originally By: Eric Fisher
 * Originally To: Harry McDow
 * Originally Re: Re: this Dish Stuff
 * Original Area: DFW Dishmail Echo
 * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12

 -=> Quoting Harry McDow to Tony White <=-

 CT>> 4)  124/1 processes the mail with the required AKA, and
 CT>> delivers that inbound mail to the hubs as we do now.

 TW> Realizing that we'll only get one mail packet per day, yes.

 HM> This sucks.  Mail that is over 24 hours old is stale crap.

I think everyone except Planet Systems realizes this.  I've mentioned it
several times and finally got a reply back in writing that was quite
discouraging.

The guy who wrote the receiving software, Lee Bonnifield, is apparently a real
code whiz; so how hard could it be to migrate from a feed rotation that is
static (flushed every 24 hours) flat-file based (they send the text file,
UPLD.LST, out between every five files) to a simple DBASE-type structure
something like so:


         Field          Size    Type    Indexed

         FileName        12    ASCII       No    ; xxxxxxxx.xxx
         ExpireTime       8   DLongInt     No    ; Date/Time In Julian format
         LastXmit         8   DLongInt    Yes    ; "   "   "   "   "   "   "


; PTCCMAIN - Reception Program
Repeat                                    ; Every time a new 0000FFFF bundle
      Set Counter = 0                     ; is packed out to 3615/51 from
      Find Lowest LastXmit                ; 3615/50, their batch file should
      If Not CurrentTime > ExpireTime     ; fire up a 2nd program, ie PTCCADD
         XmitFile                         ; like so:
         Set LastXmit = CurrentTime       ;
         Save Record                      ; FOR %%F IN (\OUTB\0000FFFF.*) DO
         Increment Counter                ;     PTCCADD %%F
         If Counter = 5                   ;
            MakeFlatFile                  ; PTCCADD would create an entry in
            XmitFlatFile                  ; the rotation file, clear its
            Set Counter = 0               ; LastXmit field, and set ExpireTime
         EndIf                            ; to CurrentTime + 24 (or 36) hours,
      Else                                ; whatever works best...
         Delete Record
      EndIf
Loop


Sorry for being so pedantic, but I'm crossposting this message into the
PLANET_CONNECT echo in hopes of starting a brush fire... :-)


 HM> This means that our bone echomail will go back to the satellite and be
 HM> re-circulated?  Or that it will stay on the land line or will be held
 HM> till the next satellite feed?   Geesh, think of the dupes.

Nope, it'll come back to 124/2106 with all of 2106's downlinks already in the
SEENBY's, thus it'll evaporate during toss/scan, unless the dupe-checker slays
it first.

 TW> Boy, this sounds familiar... :-)  If it's a vote, I vote no.  Reason
 TW> being is that if somebody wants something bad enough, they're going to
 TW> pick up the phone anyway.

 HM> I agree with Clay.  Time-sensitive stuff needs the benefit of
 HM> modem/land-line immediacy.  Any mail over 24 hour old is stale crap.

 CT>> 8)  In order for the rest of the USA to get our
 CT>> outbound echomail, the satellite will have to broadcast it
 CT>> out, meaning we'll be receiving it back again as well.
 CT>> Squish's dupe checker on 124/1 should take care of this.  I
 CT>> just hate to see 124/2106 have to crank through those
 CT>> bundles for no real reason.  This is my recommended method,
 CT>> for starters.

 TW> Ouch.

 HM> Ouch?   I say crap.  Why doesn't PC have the software necessary to
 HM> prevent this?  Or could PC prevent dupes even with the best intent?
 HM> Seems like to me we are taking a step BACKWARDS with a view to the
 HM> echomail. Now, I love change as much as the next person, and this thing
 HM> is perfect for the file echos, but as for echomail...  over 24 hours
 HM> old is stale crap.  Who would want it?  Not me, not my downlinks and
 HM> not my users.   Perhaps if PC took a feed 4 times a day, and CHANGED
 HM> the satellite feed for each feed, updating it... then maybe I could
 HM> agree to PC's merits.

Planet Connect has very satisfactory software to prevent duplicate processing
of mail bundles, even if received several times during the rotation.  The only
thing that makes me nervous is the "stale crap" syndrome.  I wouldn't recommend
committing to an annual subscription until they realize that they have a
problem here.

 CT>> 8a) One reason TO crank through the bundles at 124/2106
 CT>> is to create outbound mail for 124/1 AND Net 130's hub,
 CT>> 130/55.  Net 130's outbound echomail can still come into
 CT>> 124/1.  124/1 would not send the mail to Net130, because
 CT>> 124/2106 would already have them added to the SEEN+BY's.
 CT>> Net130 would not resend it to 124/1, because of the same
 CT>> reason.

 HM> I see a routing nightmare that is fragile, jumping through hoops, easy
 HM> to break. I see dupes... no TONS of dupes with each broadcast from the
 HM> satellite, since it doesn't change its uplink data for 24 hours.  I
 HM> see a fantastic way of moving the file echos.

The file echoes are moving along very nicely, or have you even noticed?  :-)
For the last week, buth FDN's have been taking the filebone (less DV, Clipper,
Genealogy & AnsiClub) via 2106 & Planet Connect.

Give me an example of how we'd get "TONS of dupes".  You mean from stuff that
originates in 124 or 130, goes up to 3615/50 only to return to 2106?  Such
duplication would be stopped by not one, but two methods; see paragraph above.

=Eric


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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 39
  To: JEFF JOHNSON                             Date: 09/19/93 11:50p
Subj: Re: TEST                                Refer: NONE
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> Boyd, Haven't heard from you lately... I assume my mail packets have been
> getting there with the correct id's

   Yep there here.

   Make sure that you are not adding 51 to the seenby's cause if you are it
will never get out over the satellite.


....Boyd

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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 40
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/19/93  2:53p
Subj: mail frequency                          Refer: NONE
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     Hi Boyd...   the biggest topic so far in our local DISHMAIL echo is the
time lag on mail processing.  It sounds as if you're polling for mail several
times a day, but only processing and sending it out via satellite once, around
6-7am.

     Nets 124 and 130 are large, over 350 nodes, and feed several smaller nets
as well.  All feed from one machine, 124/1.   This machine polls 396/1 four
times a day, five on weekends.

     We'd seriously like you to consider adding a second process to the loop,
12 hours from the first one.  If you have reasons for not doing this, I'd like
to hear them.  We are very serious about dropping our $200 a month backbone
modem feed for satellite mail, but hate the associated delays and its affect on
such a large group.

     My guess is that if you asked around, your satellite customers will be
willing to pay $10 more a month for two daily transmissions... :-)


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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 41
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/20/93 11:28a
Subj: hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >      Hi there!  Net124 (Dallas) joins this echo.


    My God, Clay.  You and I are living proof that they'll let
just anyone in.  <g>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 42
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/20/93  7:38p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
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 > Ok now lets set it to a vote.

     ...

 > What does everyone say?

     Fair enough, Boyd.. I appreciate you being open to this.  Net124 is
representing over 350 nodes directly and probably 100+ via feeds off Net124.
We vote for 2 transmissions, or some other method of broadcasting current mail.


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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 43
  To: ERIC FISHER                              Date: 09/20/93  7:42p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
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 CT> While I agree, let's not push our luck.. :-)

 EF> Uhhh.... You're still talking about fixed transmit windows if
 EF> you're advocating increasing rotations to 2 or more times a
 EF> day.  Ideally, a file should dynamically enter the rotation as
 EF> soon as it is ARCed, with an expiration time and MinXmit count
 EF> associated with it.

     Yes, you're right Eric.  This would be the best way.  Lemme make sure I
understand this:

     - all mail bundles say in the file rotation for 24 or more hours, and drop
off after 24 hours.  Several hours more than 24 would be idea.

     - new mail is added to the end of the run as it's created - or every four
hours or so.

     This would allow a net to still pick up mail once a day, or a net to pick
up fresh mail continuously if they wish to scan the scan the skies all day.


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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 44
  To: ERIC FISHER                              Date: 09/20/93  7:48p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > of mail bundles was extended to, say, 36 hours instead of the
 > 24 in the example.  You'll notice that for any time of day,
 > you have the same size rotation as if all bundles were
 > synched to a time of day, but with nothing close to a 24 hour
 > hold on mail.

     Even better!  This gets my vote.


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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 45
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/20/93  9:44a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


-=> Quoting Boyd Goodin to Clay Tinsley <=-

 > I think our thoughts are in the same boat.  If the echomail could be
 > refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and
 > 7pm rotation schedule.

 BG> Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you out
 BG> there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to 2 feeds
 BG> per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh the flow. Now
 BG> remember that we have to send everything to the uplink via modem so
 BG> that takes time. Also if you miss anything there will be less chance
 BG> of picking it up again since the retransmitting time would be cut in
 BG> half. What does everyone say?

This is what I'm proposing...

  <-----0000FFFF.SU0-----><-----0000FFFF.MO0-----><-----0000FFFF.TU0----->
  ...<-----0000FFFF.SU1-----><-----0000FFFF.MO1-----><-----0000FFFF.TU1---...
  ......<-----0000FFFF.SU2-----><-----0000FFFF.MO2-----><-----0000FFFF.TU2...
  ...-----><-----0000FFFF.SU3-----><-----0000FFFF.MO3-----><-----0000FFFF....
  ...SA4-----><-----0000FFFF.SU4-----><-----0000FFFF.MO4-----><-----0000FF...
  ...FF.SA5-----><-----0000FFFF.SU5-----><-----0000FFFF.MO5-----><-----000...
  ...0FFFF.SA6-----><-----0000FFFF.SU6-----><-----0000FFFF.MO6-----><-----...
  ...0000FFFF.SA7-----><-----0000FFFF.SU7-----><-----0000FFFF.MO7-----><--...
  <-----0000FFFF.SA8-----><-----0000FFFF.SU8-----><-----0000FFFF.MO8----->...

  000000000011111111112222000000000011111111112222000000000011111111112222
  012345678901234567890123012345678901234567890123012345678901234567890123
  |   AM   Sunday   PM   ||   AM   Monday   PM   ||   AM   Tuesday  PM   |

The bundle extensions are purely arbitrary, but simplified for discussion.

By the algorithm I posted earlier, mail freshness would be assured, as would
your ability to guarantee availability of all mail to part-time receivers,
especially of the shelf-life of mail bundles was extended to, say, 36 hours
instead of the 24 in the example.  You'll notice that for any time of day,
you have the same size rotation as if all bundles were synched to a time of
day, but with nothing close to a 24 hour hold on mail.

It's really not that different from a method you're already employing; namely,
keeping 2 or 3 days worth of mail bundles available for file-request.  These
files are staggered and overlapped and get expired after a certain amount of
time.  Why not do the same with the beam?

Comments?

=Eric

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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 46
  To: JOHN REYNOLDS                            Date: 09/20/93  9:54a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
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-=> Quoting John Reynolds to Boyd Goodin <=-

 JR> I know we may have an unusual situation, but we here in Net124 plan on
 JR> buying a separate dish just for PC - we already have our own
 JR> "community" computer for processing our mail as it comes in now and
 JR> the cost of the dish/decoder is "about" the price of a new USR modem
 JR> and a telephone line.

Boyd,

Not only are we buying a dedicated dish for PC, we are contemplating 2nd and
3rd dishes (and subscriptions!) as a means of reducing traffic between nets
124 & 130 and separating file distribution functions from echomail routes.

That's how sensitive we are to timely echomail delivery.

=Eric

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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 47
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/20/93 10:08a
Subj: this Dish Stuff                         Refer: NONE
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More D/FW chatter regarding mail timing.....

 * Originally By: Dean Lachan
 * Originally To: Harry McDow
 * Originally Re: this Dish Stuff
 * Original Area: DFW Dishmail Echo
 * Forwarded by : Blue Wave v2.12

 HM> thing.  I know I'm making a lot of noise about this, but it
 HM> is important to me.  FidoNet echomail is probably the best
 HM> in the hobby network world.  I left a message in GoldEd the
 HM> other day, and got 3 answers from three different people 1
 HM> DAY (about 35 hours) later.  I was impressed.  One of the
 HM> answers was from Canada.  (Fixed the problem, too.)

It's (time lag) one of the things that has been GREATLY reduced over the years
from 2-3 days nationally to as quickly as < 12-18 hours nationally. Now
messages/reply chains are going to go back to the 2-3 days again.

Maybe the time-based areas should be dropped and picked up 'real-time' (ie.
ForSale conferences).



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From: KEVIN MARTIN                           Number: 48
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/20/93  2:24p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Sep 19 21:36, Boyd Goodin of 1:124/5125 wrote:

>> I think our thoughts are in the same boat.  If the echomail could be
>> refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am
>> and 7pm rotation schedule.
 BG>
 BG>    Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you out
 BG> there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to 2 feeds
 BG> per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh the flow. Now
 BG> remember that we have to send everything to the uplink via modem so
 BG> that takes time. Also if you miss anything there will be less chance
 BG> of picking it up again since the retransmitting time would be cut in
 BG> half. What does everyone say?

Hello Boyd!
I would vote for a 2 feed cycle.  Maybe you should have posted your message to
ALL?

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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 49
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 09/19/93 11:53p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 CT>      I think our thoughts are in the same boat.  If the
 CT> echomail could be refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would
 CT> be MUCH better - like a 7am and 7pm rotation schedule.

 DJ> Thrice would be even better yet!

     While I agree, let's not push our luck.. :-)

 DJ> This is to move the netmail quicker and keep the echomail
 DJ> flowing as quick as possible... no one likes to read a day
 DJ> old newspaper <g>

     Agreed!  ...and we've exchanged three messages in 13 hours - (me, you,
me).   No furthur comment.


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From: JOHN REYNOLDS                          Number: 50
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/20/93  9:59a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin scribbled in a note to Clay Tinsley:

> I think our thoughts are in the same boat.  If the echomail could be
> refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and
> 7pm rotation schedule.
BG>
BG>    Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of
BG> you out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if
BG> we go to 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best
BG> to refresh the flow. Now remember that we have to send
BG> everything to the uplink via modem so that takes time. Also
BG> if you miss anything there will be less chance of picking it
BG> up again since the retransmitting time would be cut in half.
BG> What does everyone say?

Let's go for the twice daily rotation.  I really don't figure there are THAT
many who will be using their dish for THAT much TV viewing - if so, the prices
of a second stationary dish just for PC is not that much of a cost over the
long haul.  I would think larger nets  would want to do this anyway so that one
person doesn't have a  strangle hold on the mail.  The smaller dish is
transportable and can be moved whenever someone moves or their spouse tells
them to give up the hobby :-)

I know we may have an unusual situation, but we here in Net124 plan on buying a
separate dish just for PC - we already have our own "community" computer for
processing our mail as it comes in now and the cost of the dish/decoder is
"about" the price of a new USR modem and a telephone line.  When you look at
the LD savings over the next year or two, that's not much for this hobby.

Later,
 John

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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 51
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/20/93  7:57a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


-=> Quoting Clay Tinsley to Dave James <=-

 CT>      I think our thoughts are in the same boat.  If the
 CT> echomail could be refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would
 CT> be MUCH better - like a 7am and 7pm rotation schedule.

 DJ> Thrice would be even better yet!

 CT> While I agree, let's not push our luck.. :-)

Uhhh.... You're still talking about fixed transmit windows if you're
advocating increasing rotations to 2 or more times a day.  Ideally, a file
should dynamically enter the rotation as soon as it is ARCed, with an
expiration time and MinXmit count associated with it.

 DJ> This is to move the netmail quicker and keep the echomail
 DJ> flowing as quick as possible... no one likes to read a day
 DJ> old newspaper <g>

 CT> Agreed!  ...and we've exchanged three messages in 13 hours - (me,
 CT> you, me).   No furthur comment.

What's taking McDow so long to jump in over here, Clay?  :-)

=Eric


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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 52
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 09/20/93  7:59a
Subj: Re: Echo name change.                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


-=> Quoting Ken Kavanagh to Tim Jacobs <=-

 KK> Hello Tim!

 TJ> Are we receving the MACINTOSH File areas and Amiga File areas yet? Those
 TJ> are in big demand here.  Beside the MAC users seem to be the most
generous
 TJ> people I have ever found. PC are the cheapest!

 KK> the amigas SKY-stuff file areas are coming through nicely so far.

Not to mention the full ADS* run.

=Eric

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From: HARRY MCDOW                            Number: 53
  To: ERIC FISHER                              Date: 09/20/93  9:28p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Eric!

Monday September 20 1993 07:57, Eric Fisher wrote to Clay Tinsley:

 EF> What's taking McDow so long to jump in over here, Clay?  :-)

I'm here reading and lurking.  Thinkin' and calculating.

Seems that there is some pressure for refreshing the feeds to 2 a day.  Sounds
like a great idea to me.  I'm gonna read some more messages.  For some reason,
I forgot to read this area.  :-|

       - Harry

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 54
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 09/21/93 11:35p
Subj: Echo name change.                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >       On Thursday September 16 1993, Tim Jacobs writes to Boyd
 > Goodin:

 > Hello Tim!
 >  TJ> Are we receving the MACINTOSH File areas and Amiga File areas yet?
 >  TJ> are in big demand here.  Beside the MAC users seem to be the most
 >  TJ> people I have ever found. PC are the cheapest!

 > the amigas SKY-stuff file areas are coming through nicely so
 > far.

 > Cheers, Ken

Yes, I see that now. Thanks for the note.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 55
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/21/93 11:43p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> I think our thoughts are in the same boat.  If the echomail could be
 >> refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and
 >> 7pm rotation schedule.

 >    Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you
 > out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to
 > 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh
 > the flow. Now remember that we have to send everything to the
 > uplink via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss anything
 > there will be less chance of picking it up again since the
 > retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does everyone
 > say?

 > ....Boyd

I vote no.  One problem with the system and I lose half a days mail. And I
don't want to have to call longdistance for it.  If my system did nothing but
get mail that is a differnt story.  I have another life besides BBS'ing 24hours
a day, and that envolves some TV watching.

MAYBE in the future when there are utilities written to AUTOMATICLY see what
packets came in and see which one didn't and have the system call for the ones
that didn't make it. But at the present time lets keep it simple and as little
as possible to screw up.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 56
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/21/93 11:50p
Subj: mail frequency                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >      We'd seriously like you to consider adding a second process
 > to the loop, 12 hours from the first one.  If you have reasons
 > for not doing this, I'd like to hear them.  We are very serious
 > about dropping our $200 a month backbone modem feed for
 > satellite mail, but hate the associated delays and its affect on
 > such a large group.
 >
 >      My guess is that if you asked around, your satellite
 > customers will be willing to pay $10 more a month for two daily
 > transmissions... :-)

No I am sure MOST don't want to pay another $10 a month!  The whole idea is to
keep costs down.  And if it would cost us more than I am even MORE against it
than before.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 57
  To: ERIC FISHER                              Date: 09/22/93 12:05a
Subj: this Dish Stuff                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > It's (time lag) one of the things that has been GREATLY reduced
 > over the years from 2-3 days nationally to as quickly as
 > < 12-18 hours>  nationally. Now messages/reply chains are going
 > to go back to the 2-3 days again.

It is obvious that this will not be for everyone.  Even if we were to go to 2
cycles you could continue to gripe about the delay.  Lets just let the system
iron out and get the new users and maybe AFTER it is established and there is a
good user base for the system then start experimenting  with speeding up mail.
I for one like the cheap altrnative and it is worth the little bit of a delay
each day rather than paying $350 a month.  Since you have so many people and
your net is so large, it sounds to me it would be cheaper to use the phones
anyway.

Just another opinion.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 58
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/21/93  1:16p
Subj: Mail Flow                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, there seems to be a big hoop-la about the need to update the echomail
more often then every 24 hours, May I make a suggestion that may solve this
problem and still give those systems that are using thier home satellite
receivers for TV's a chance to keep up to date.

Is it possible to time stamp the files that you send to the uplink and then
after 24 hours to delete those files from being sent over the satellite. In
this way you could continually refresh the files that are being sent and any
new file would be transmitted for 24 hours and then be deleted from the
satellite uplink que.  This would give everyone at least 24 hour to capture a
file and would also keep the echomail flow fresh for those that don't want to
read a day old newspaper.

This is just a thought and may require a LOT of reprograming on your end to
set this up, but it may be a better time to do it now then wait till you have
a couple of thousand systems on line and then have to make a drastic change.

Keep in mind that when you add the UseNet,Rime, and all the others cutting the
transmit window on a file could cause us to only get one shot at it if you are
talking a 12 or even 8 hour window.....

Regards....

        John....

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 59
  To: ERIC FISHER                              Date: 09/21/93  1:29p
Subj: Re: this Dish Stuff                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Eric, I just read your message about the file uplink rotation, it seems we are
saying the same thing so for what it's worth I agree with you....

John.....

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 60
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/21/93  9:51p
Subj: Receiver                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Got the receiver, but no coax, will go down to the store and pickup 100' of
RG-6 as you suggested in the first place <g>

Let you know how it all turns out by this week-end!

Thanks!

Dave

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From: ROB NELSON                             Number: 61
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/20/93  2:53p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Clay Tinsley:

BG>    Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of
BG> you out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if
BG> we go to 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best

BG> What does everyone say?

I for one vote NO!  I use my dish for TV purposes as well as Planet Connect. As
it stands now I have to catch the data stream twice to get everything. A second
feed is fine for someone with a dedicated dish, but it's not practical for the
rest of us.

Cheers,
           Rob

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 62
  To: ERIC FISHER                              Date: 09/21/93  1:12a
Subj: this Dish Stuff                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > This is part of a recent conversation that took place in the Net 124/Net
 > 130 (Dallas/Ft. Worth) Planet Connect discussion echo.  I was wondering
 > how Planet Connect discussions were going in other nets...

Your net's discussion was VASTLY different from ours.  Being a small net, we
were only getting 40% or less of the Fido Backbone before the satellite dish
rested at my house.  Now, a day old mail is better than the fact that before
there was none there.  We restructured our entire net around this thing.  It
was revolutionary for us.  Hell we even got some guy running on an Atari
1040STe hubbing for us.  Interesting stuff.....

As far as routing nightmares, I should venture to say, don't let anybody who's
stupid route the mail for them.  I've no problems with routing yet (at least
nobody's reported it yet...may be stupid some day soon <sigh>).

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 63
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 09/21/93 10:51p
Subj: hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     My God, Clay.  You and I are living proof that they'll let
 > just anyone in.  <g>

I won't worry until I see Lamar's name flying around here ;)

See ya                                                Todd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 64
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 09/22/93  8:13p
Subj: Re: Echo name change.                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> I think so.  There are bunch of *.lha files that come through that my
> LHARC won't properly unarc, so I'm pretty sure that those are the ones...

    Just look at the tic file and see what area it is going to and match it up
with filebone.na. THat should tell you where it is from!

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 65
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 09/22/93  8:22p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> I vote no.  One problem with the system and I lose half a days mail. And
> I don't want to have to call longdistance for it.  If my system did

    note acknowledged.


.....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 66
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 09/22/93  8:30p
Subj: Re: Joining the echo...                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Hello Boyd:
> Expecting my dish and rx tomorrow and hopefully will be ready to go
> on the weekend.  Looking forward to this new method of communicating.

   Welcome aboard!

.....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 67
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 09/22/93  8:35p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> In my unqualified opinion....it would seem logical to SEND as frequently
> as possible.

   Thats what I am trying to find out. I know that there are users that use
thier system for TV and with 2 feeds well their is going to be some problems at
home with who has controlling interest over the dish if you know what I mean. I
would hate to be sited as the cause of a devorce! Anyway for the finer points,
hope everyone does not forget that once we start sending the Usenet Groups that
the wide window that is avaible for Fido mail and files now will not be so big!

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 68
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 09/22/93  9:05p
Subj: Re: Mail Flow                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Is it possible to time stamp the files that you send to the uplink and
> then after 24 hours to delete those files from being sent over the
> satellite. In this way you could continually refresh the files that are
> being sent and any new file would be transmitted for 24 hours and then be

   We are working on a version of the uplink program that will (hopefully)
allow us to insert files into the data-stream  on the fly. Now I must also
stress that we have to send everything to the uplink via modem. THis allows us
to do all processing here. Now we could let the uplink do all the processing
and just pump it out after it is being processed. THis would speed up the turn
around but would create more problems than what we have now. Meaning that I
will not travel 50 miles a day to check to see if everything is working,
outgoing mail from everyone would have to be sent to the uplink (more chances
of something going wrong, lock ups, security breatch,).


> This is just a thought and may require a LOT of reprograming on your end
> to set this up, but it may be a better time to do it now then wait till
> you have a couple of thousand systems on line and then have to make a
> drastic change.

We are aware of it and working on it. The system has settled down to a normal
routine.

> Keep in mind that when you add the UseNet,Rime, and all the others
> cutting the transmit window on a file could cause us to only get one shot
> at it if you are talking a 12 or even 8 hour window.....

   Yes that is one of the masjor concerns. As more data is added to the
stream these windows become smaller and smaller.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 69
  To: ROB NELSON                               Date: 09/22/93  9:06p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Connect. As it stands now I have to catch the data stream twice to get
> everything. A second feed is fine for someone with a dedicated dish, but
> it's not practical for the rest of us.

   It is noted guy. Thanks for the input!

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 70
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 09/22/93  9:10p
Subj: Re: Receiver                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Got the receiver, but no coax, will go down to the store and pickup 100'
> of RG-6 as you suggested in the first place <g>

   Ooooppppsss! Sorry I dont take care of shipping!

> Let you know how it all turns out by this week-end!


    Ok, I wont hold my breath waiting for a phone call from some guy in Las
Vegas cursing me to hell then!;-)

....Boyd

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 71
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 09/22/93  9:46p
Subj: Mail Flow                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Boyd, there seems to be a big hoop-la about the need to update
 > the echomail more often then every 24 hours, May I make a
 > suggestion that may solve this problem and still give those
 > systems that are using thier home satellite receivers for TV's a
 > chance to keep up to date.

 > Is it possible to time stamp the files that you send to the
 > uplink and then after 24 hours to delete those files from being
 > sent over the satellite. In this way you could continually
 > refresh the files that are being sent and any new file would be
 > transmitted for 24 hours and then be deleted from the satellite
 > uplink que.  This would give everyone at least 24 hour to
 > capture a file and would also keep the echomail flow fresh for
 > those that don't want to read a day old newspaper.

I like this idea. The system at the uplink site would have to be written to do
this. That is why I think we should just mellow and not jump into things.  Lets
get the software and some great utilities written and then maybe put a great
plan like this into development.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 72
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 09/23/93  1:24a
Subj: Problem?                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Tim;

    Check your control file for your tosser and see if it adding 51 to the
seenbys. I have noticed that log file for each message you drop off only 1 is
getting reproduced. There should be 2 messages for every one that your send me.
Check out this out. It is part of my tosser log file for one of your packets.

  @ CDRXR802.PKT  09/22/1993 13:17:21  O=1:271/270  D=1:3615/50  ID=5f S=3184b
    + ECHO: HDSALE # ...................... 0001  (Sent=000002)
    + ECHO: MACSW # ....................... 0001  (Sent=000001)


   Now see how the HDSALE as a sent=000002 This is correct cause it had one
message and 2 were sent. One for John and one for the uplink. Now MACSW has
only 1 there so it is going to either John or the uplink but not to both. So if
you are adding 51 or 396/1 to the seenbys then one of the two are not getting
the message from the MACSW conference. I am posting this here in the hopes that
others will check more carefully and make sure they are not adding 396/1 or
3615/51 to the seenbys.


....Boyd

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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 73
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/21/93  8:51p
Subj: Dedicated site                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, I'm using a dedicated dish for the Planet Connect data, so changing
schedules is NOT a problem.


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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 74
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 09/23/93 10:28a
Subj: Re: this Dish Stuff                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Morano wrote in a message to Eric Fisher:

JM> Eric, I just read your message about the file uplink
JM> rotation, it seems we are saying the same thing so for what
JM> it's worth I agree with you....

You're the author of PCUTIL, right?  I have some Planet Connect utilities lying
around here that I wrote; what language are you coding in?  (I'm strictly TP
7.0)

=Eric

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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 75
  To: ROB NELSON                               Date: 09/23/93 10:30a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rob Nelson wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

RN> Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Clay Tinsley:

BG>    Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of
BG> you out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if
BG> we go to 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best

BG> What does everyone say?

RN> I for one vote NO!  I use my dish for TV purposes as well as
RN> Planet Connect. As it stands now I have to catch the data
RN> stream twice to get everything. A second feed is fine for
RN> someone with a dedicated dish, but it's not practical for
RN> the rest of us.

You need to go back and re-read my proposal, as well as that of John Morano.

=Eric


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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 76
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 09/22/93  2:02p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim Jacobs wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

 >    Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you
 > out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to
 > 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh
 > the flow. Now remember that we have to send everything to the
 > uplink via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss anything
 > there will be less chance of picking it up again since the
 > retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does everyone
 > say?

TJ> I vote no.  One problem with the system and I lose half a
TJ> days mail. And I don't want to have to call longdistance for
TJ> it.  If my system did nothing but get mail that is a
TJ> differnt story.  I have another life besides BBS'ing 24hours
TJ> a day, and that envolves some TV watching.

There are alternatives to once-a-day mail that provide the ability to grab mail
once per day.  If PC's twice-a-day proposal meant that instead of a 7am-7pm
rotation followed by a 7pm-7am, there would be two overlapping 24-hour
rotations (ie, UPLD_7AM.LST and UPLD_7PM.LST) with each rotation being updated
once a day, you'd still be able to turn on your receiver once per day and
catch everything, as no bundles would ever spend less than 24 hours in
rotation.

That would at least be preferable to once-per-day replenishing...

TJ> MAYBE in the future when there are utilities written to
TJ> AUTOMATICLY see what packets came in and see which one
TJ> didn't and have the system call for the ones that didn't
TJ> make it. But at the present time lets keep it simple and as
TJ> little as possible to screw up.

That's a snap.  I'll write that one to-nite!

=Eric

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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 77
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 09/22/93  2:11p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Murray Pletsch wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

 >> refreshed and sent TWICE a day, it would be MUCH better - like a 7am and
 >> 7pm rotation schedule.

 >    Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you
 > out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to
 > 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh
 > the flow. Now remember that we have to send everything to the
 > uplink via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss anything
 > there will be less chance of picking it up again since the
 > retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does everyone
 > say?

MP> In my unqualified opinion....it would seem logical to SEND
MP> as frequently as possible.

No offense, but I think you misunderstood.  The *sending* of mail & files is
non-stop.  The contents of a 24-hour period from 7am-7am, however, never
change, even as new mail is acquired from the regional hub and from downlinks.
What Boyd described above is certainly not what Clay, Harry & I are pushing.
Our position is that the menu of mail bundles should change dynamically; if
3615/50 gets a wad of mail at 10am, it should appear in the menu in a
reasonable amount of time, and its placement in the rotation shouldn't cause
the rest of the rotation to be discarded, as it would in the "Every 12 Hours"
scenario described above.  As it currently operates, 10am-received mail sits
until 7am the next morning; God help any COMPUSALE or other time-sensitive
postings... :-)

=Eric

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From: JOHN REYNOLDS                          Number: 78
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 09/22/93  5:54p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim Jacobs scribbled in a note to Boyd Goodin:

TJ> I vote no.  One problem with the system and I lose half a
TJ> days mail. And I don't want to have to call longdistance for
TJ> it.  If my system did nothing but get mail that is a
TJ> differnt story.  I have another life besides BBS'ing 24hours
TJ> a day, and that envolves some TV watching.

The cost of a demodulator and a fixed dish are about $600 (as I understand it
and if that price still applies from Planet Connect). That's just a tad more
than a USR DS Sysop Modem.  I know if I had a satelite dish (no time for the TV
I have to choose from now), I sure would spring for the extra $300 for a
separate dish I didn't have to worry about resetting after I was done with my
TV watching. Kinda like running a BBS on your voice line - might look like
saving money but a real stupid idea for a serious sysop just to save the cost
of an extra line.  Many of the Sysops around here have been installing second
data lines just to help move the fidonet mail locally!  I think the marketing
of the system is going to be to the Nets rather than to individuals.  There is
almost always more than one Fidonet board that is a local call to another so
those two would "share" a dish.

P. S.  If I am incorrect in the price of the fixed dish and decoder, please
correct my figures, they are just what I was told when the beta cycle began.

Later,
 John

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 79
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/24/93  8:36a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

After watching the debate, I have settled upon the conclusion that I would
like to see the mail bundles dynamically sent.  Meaning, as they are packed,
put them into the queue at the uplink site.

Every time your computer sends the signal to ours to exit and process mail, it
can "adopt" those new bundles, delete old bundles (based on age...some record
keeping will need to be done on the uplink site to accomplish this), and
restart the uplink process...

I hope this ends up not being too much work for you, but fresh echomail is a
definite bonus.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 80
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/26/93  7:11a
Subj: Wall Street Journal                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd,

Can you get USA Today and the Wall Street Journal for us???

The Ku-band receiver is providing an ERROR FREE link here!

Thanks for all your help!  Tell Joe thanks for me!

Dave

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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 81
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/25/93  5:59a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Rob Nelson:

> So long as the window isn't more than say 8-10 hours per day to collect
> everything we would have a dynamic schedule where we could collect the
> data anytime. The fixed schedule is the problem.  I don't mind the

BG>    Here's a scenario,  at 7:30 am you start to get new mail
BG> and files. Now during the day more files and mail are added
BG> to the data-stream. This will also include the news groups
BG> when we get them going. As the day goes by it will take
BG> longer and longer for the files that were put in at 7:30 am
BG> to come around again. So as you add more data to the stream
BG> it decreases the repeat time of the files you started out
BG> with. If we had to send 75 megs a day what is your window
BG> time to pick something up? Considering that we can only move
BG> a little over 6 megs an hour. Ok, who is the rocket
BG> scientist out there?

That's a little disturbing, frankly.  To know that the $40/month for Fido
gradually buys you less and less bandwidth.  Seriously, at what point do you
stop selling tickets to an already oversold show?  When you've got 75MB to
send, whether staggered *or* simultaneous, wouldn't you be looking at getting
more transponder space?

=Eric

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From: JOHN REYNOLDS                          Number: 82
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/26/93  7:19a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Clay Tinsley scribbled in a note to Boyd Goodin:

BG> with. If we had to send 75 megs a day what is your window
BG> time to pick something up? Considering that we can only move
BG> a little over 6 megs an hour. Ok, who is the rocket
BG> scientist out there?

CT>      We get 99% of the backbone load in Dallas.  Last week,
CT> we got 51 meg of Zip v2.04'd echomail from 396/1.  That's a
CT> little over 7 meg a day.  If there are 5 meg (probably an
CT> overestimate) a day of filebone files, that would be 12 meg
CT> a day to be sent.

CT>      If you can send out 6 meg an hour, then keeping 48
CT> hours worth of mail and files in a dynamic circulation
CT> should be possible.  That's only four hours.

CT>      After each "send" period, any new echomail and files
CT> could be added to the rotation, and any echomail and files
CT> that are over 48 hours old could be removed.

Yeah, but I believe the point above is that Boyd is planning on adding the
UseNet stuff in and that is a HUGE load which, as he proposes above, would add
60meg to the window, whereby the
speed of the uplink would only allow TWO sends each day with the current static
setup.  It's a little early, so I am not sure how the TWO sends would affect a
dynamic rotation - ERIC?

Later,
 John

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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 83
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/26/93 12:25a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG> with. If we had to send 75 megs a day what is your window
BG> time to pick something up? Considering that we can only move
BG> a little over 6 megs an hour. Ok, who is the rocket
BG> scientist out there?

     We get 99% of the backbone load in Dallas.  Last week, we got 51 meg of
Zip v2.04'd echomail from 396/1.  That's a little over 7 meg a day.  If there
are 5 meg (probably an overestimate) a day of filebone files, that would be 12
meg a day to be sent.

     If you can send out 6 meg an hour, then keeping 48 hours worth of mail and
files in a dynamic circulation should be possible.  That's only four hours.

     After each "send" period, any new echomail and files could be added to the
rotation, and any echomail and files that are over 48 hours old could be
removed.


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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 84
  To: ERIC FISHER                              Date: 09/26/93  2:54p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TJ> I vote no.  One problem with the system and I lose half a
 > TJ> days mail. And I don't want to have to call longdistance for
 > TJ> it.  If my system did nothing but get mail that is a
 > TJ> differnt story.  I have another life besides BBS'ing 24hours
 > TJ> a day, and that envolves some TV watching.

 > There are alternatives to once-a-day mail that provide the
 > ability to grab mail once per day.  If PC's twice-a-day proposal
 > meant that instead of a 7am-7pm rotation followed by a 7pm-7am,
 > there would be two overlapping 24-hour  rotations (ie,
 > UPLD_7AM.LST and UPLD_7PM.LST) with each rotation being updated
 > once a day, you'd still be able to turn on your receiver once
 > per day and  catch everything, as no bundles would ever spend
 > less than 24 hours in  rotation.

Problem is planet connect will continue to grow and soon with the usenet
groups AND fido and files it will not be feasable to do that. Your system will
be busy getting all this stuff as it is.  Lets get more stuff to fill the time
rather than shortening the time.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562


 > That would at least be preferable to once-per-day
 > replenishing...

 > TJ> MAYBE in the future when there are utilities written to
 > TJ> AUTOMATICLY see what packets came in and see which one
 > TJ> didn't and have the system call for the ones that didn't
 > TJ> make it. But at the present time lets keep it simple and as
 > TJ> little as possible to screw up.

 > That's a snap.  I'll write that one to-nite!

 > =Eric

 > --- timEd/B8
 >  * Origin: Parabolics Anonymous - Mesquite, TX  (1:124/2105)
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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 85
  To: JOHN REYNOLDS                            Date: 09/26/93  3:10p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > choose from now), I sure would spring for the extra $300 for a
 > separate dish I didn't have to worry about resetting after I was
 > done with my TV watching. Kinda like running a BBS on your voice
 > line - might look like saving money but a real stupid idea for a
 > serious sysop just to save the cost of an extra line.  Many of
 > the Sysops around here have been installing second data lines
 > just to help move the fidonet mail locally!

Hmmmmmmmmmm... At that price, I might just have to do this.  But after a few
months.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 86
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 09/26/93  3:12p
Subj: mail frequency                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> No I am sure MOST don't want to pay another $10 a month!
 >> The whole idea is to keep costs down.  And if it would cost
 >> us more than I am even MORE against it than before.

 >     While I wouldn't relish the idea of doing so either, Tim,
 > consider the fact that if you're hubbing mail for any number of
 > nodes, you likely couldn't pick up your mail via landline for
 > $50.00 per month.
 >                         --)@  Patty  @(--

No kidding, But lets not get stupid and tell them to raise our prices until
this system is not economically cheaper.  And the more people talk about how
cheap things are the more the prices go up.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 87
  To: ROB NELSON                               Date: 09/24/93 10:18a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rob Nelson wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

BG>    It is noted guy. Thanks for the input!

RN> I would like to say that after my original post Eric Fisher
RN> came up with what looks like a feasable routine of file
RN> rotation that might work for even us half and half dish
RN> junkies. I like John Morano's idea of timestamping the files
RN> to be deleted after a specified time while continuously
RN> adding new files to the data stream.

Just timestamping the files wouldn't be enough for you half-and-halfers.  What
if the combination of an enourmous file hatch and the addition of usenet & RIME
made the rotation so large that it took 12+ hours to get from start to finish?
By the second time many files came around, they'd be beyond their 24 hour shelf
life.  That's why I also recommended a counter to be associated with each file
which would be initially set to the minimum number of times it should be sent.
For a file to be removed from the rotation, it would have to be beyond it's
expiration date *and* have been transmitted at least as many times as its
counter was set to.

RN> So long as the window isn't more than say 8-10 hours per day
RN> to collect everything we would have a dynamic schedule where
RN> we could collect the data anytime. The fixed schedule is the
RN> problem.  I don't mind the current one so much because it
RN> occurs at a time when I'm not using the dish for TV viewing.
RN> I think most people would like to be able to receive
RN> everything while they're asleep or at work.  A dynamic
RN> rotation would allow this for everyone, dayshift,
RN> nightshift, it wouldn't matter. As you say, with the windows
RN> getting smaller as more is added to the stream, a dynamic
RN> rotation seems more and more logical.  More work for you
RN> guys, but a better system in the long run.

A couple of Sundays ago, one of the OS2 file echoes hatched 6 1.2MB disk
images, causing the Planet Connect rotation to balloon.  This meant a longer
time to  run from start-to-finish, and approached the 8-10 hour window you
referred to. There's no way you can be sure that a pre-determined 10-hour
window of  collection will capture one entire turn of files.

RN> P.S.  Hope what I said makes some sence, it's been a long
RN> day, mumble mumble, g'nite.

Perfectly clear, Rob!


=Eric


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From: ROB NELSON                             Number: 88
  To: ERIC FISHER                              Date: 09/25/93 12:46a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Eric Fisher wrote in a message to Rob Nelson:

RN> I for one vote NO!  I use my dish for TV purposes as well as
RN> Planet Connect. As it stands now I have to catch the data
RN> stream twice to get everything. A second feed is fine for
RN> someone with a dedicated dish, but it's not practical for
RN> the rest of us.

EF> You need to go back and re-read my proposal, as well as that
EF> of John Morano.

Actually I wrote my reply before receiving yours.  As I said in a message to
Boyd last night your proposal as well as John's would be viable solutions to
the problem I, and others face with a static schedule.

Cheers,
           Rob

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 89
  To: ERIC FISHER                              Date: 09/27/93  9:10p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> That's a little disturbing, frankly.  To know that the $40/month for Fido
> gradually buys you less and less bandwidth.  Seriously, at what point do
> you stop selling tickets to an already oversold show?  When you've got
> 75MB to send, whether staggered *or* simultaneous, wouldn't you be
> looking at getting more transponder space?

   Considering that we will be able to handle 155 megs in a 24 hour period we
will eventualy have to go to a send as it is received situation. When this
happens you will then have to have a dedicated system.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 90
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 09/27/93  9:13p
Subj: Re: Wall Street Journal                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Hello Boyd,

   Hey Dave! How's the dog??

> Can you get USA Today and the Wall Street Journal for us???

   We are working on the USA Today thing. Never thought of the Journal. Have to
check into that!

> The Ku-band receiver is providing an ERROR FREE link here!

   No big rain storms yet eh?

> Thanks for all your help!  Tell Joe thanks for me!

   No problem. Thats what we are here for. You will have to get your buddy over
and show him what he missed!<G>

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 91
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/27/93  9:28p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> If you can send out 6 meg an hour, then keeping 48 hours worth of
> mail and files in a dynamic circulation should be possible.  That's only
> four hours.

   Yes but as "OTHER" data is added to the stream you can not do that. To
repeat everything twice in a 24 hour period means you could not send more than
77 megs of data. If you go over that then something has to be left out of the
loop.


> After each "send" period, any new echomail and files could be added
> to the rotation, and any echomail and files that are over 48 hours old
> could be removed.

    If you had 90 megs to send then there will be 13 megs that will not be sent
the second time. So the only other alternative to to send it as you receive it
with a possible repeat but having no way of calculating at what time that
repeat will be. Thus you would have to have a dedicated system.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 92
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 09/27/93  9:29p
Subj: Re: Satellite Schedule                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> I hope this ends up not being too much work for you, but fresh echomail
> is a definite bonus.

    Nobody said it was going to be easy but we will eventually have to go with
a system like that.


....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 93
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 09/27/93  9:35p
Subj: Re: Mail Flow                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Knew you would be, that's what is so nice about working with a company
> that is doing this full time and not just as a hobby, SERVICE !!! and no
> matter how much griping you get from the others I think the SERVICE has
> been GREAT....

   Thanks for the comment. And NO folks, we dont have him on the payrole, just
incase anyone was wondering.

> the uplink is but if you could tie it directly to a 56 KB or 115K it
> would sure beat the pants of having to pass everything upsteam at 14.4
> ;-)

   We will be using ISDN lines once the CO gets thier acted together. Our
eventual goal is to uplink from our office so we could have the compressed
bundles being processed right on the transmitting computer and quequed up
within a couple of minutes.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 94
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 09/27/93  9:45p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Hello Boyd!

  Hello Rick and welcome.

> BG> for Fido mail and files now will not be so big!

> How big will it be?

   Well the Usenet in non-compressed format is about 50 to 60 megs. We will be
compressing then down to maybe 20 or 25 megs (rough guess). Now also I was just
thinking. If we went to 2 feeds a day, every 12 hours, then our bandwith for
the 12 hour window goes down to 77 megs. Now if you want everything to repeat
at least twice that cuts the bandwith down to 38.5 megs. That would just about
put us at our limit for each feed so the only other alternative would be
dynamically adding files. Interesting!

...Boyd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 95
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/27/93 10:04p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >      If you can send out 6 meg an hour, then keeping 48 hours worth of
 > mail and files in a dynamic circulation should be possible.  That's only
 > four hours.
 >      After each "send" period, any new echomail and files could be added
 > to the rotation, and any echomail and files that are over 48 hours old
 > could be removed.

But the loophole is that the Usenet Newsgroups inbetween will be 50 or so megs
a day (compressed down to 20-30 megs).  At 6 megs an hour amounts to a
rotation that is very near the proposed 2x rotation.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 96
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/26/93  7:20a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

22 Sep 93, Boyd Goodin writes to Murray Pletsch:

 BG> Anyway for the finer points, hope everyone does not forget that once
 BG> we start sending the Usenet Groups that the wide window that is avaible
 BG> for Fido mail and files now will not be so big!

How big will it be?

Rick, the not yet buyer!

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 97
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/27/93  1:24a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Sunday September 19 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Clay Tinsley:

Hello Boyd!

 BG>    Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you out there
 BG> that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to 2 feeds per 24
 BG> hours, at what time would it be best to refresh the flow. Now remember
 BG> that we have to send everything to the uplink via modem so that takes
 BG> time. Also if you miss anything there will be less chance of picking it up
 BG> again since the retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does
 BG> everyone say?

I'm running my dish full time so the more often the mail comes through the
better.  actually, I worked through the logic of some of the messages later on
in this batch i got (only poll once a week)

If i write a message to you at noon, and send it to you midnight, it will show
up on the dish at 7-9am the next day EVERYWHERE.  thats a one day turn around
for my message.

these boys whining about stale old 24 hour mail is bs.  the normal turn around
for mail from bc, canada to miami, FLorida is 3 days. the satalite wins 2 days
under par (once miami is running a dish of course <grin>) plus a HUGE
savings..our net polls John 3 times a day everyday for a total cost of 400-450
bucks...PC wins on cost..so "stale crap" just aint a good enough argument to
force the part time feeders into running their system all the time. (my opinion
anyways :))

Cheers, Ken

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 98
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/27/93  1:29a
Subj: PCUTILS Filearea.                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Sunday September 19 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to All:

Hello Boyd!

 BG>    Please add PCUTILS to your tic areas. This area will be for utility
 BG> programs for the Planet Connect or if you have an information file
 BG> pertaining to planet connect that you would like to pass on to the rest of
 BG> the users. Just send anything you want to be redistributed to everyone
 BG> when you are dropping off mail and I will get it up onto the bird with its
 BG> own tic file.

I kinda prefered the  \skydata\personal directory approach. I look in there all
the time for stuff (never find any but its fun to look :))  now I've got to
make the netfileguy send me back any pcutil tics...grin..workin in circles :))


Cheers, Ken

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 99
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/27/93  1:31a
Subj: mail frequency                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Sunday September 19 1993, Clay Tinsley writes to Boyd Goodin:

Hello Clay!

 CT>      Nets 124 and 130 are large, over 350 nodes, and feed several smaller
 CT> nets as well.  All feed from one machine, 124/1.   This machine polls
 CT> 396/1 four times a day, five on weekends.

 CT>      We'd seriously like you to consider adding a second process to the
 CT> loop, 12 hours from the first one.  If you have reasons for not doing
 CT> this, I'd like to hear them.  We are very serious about dropping our $200
 CT> a month backbone modem feed for satellite mail, but hate the associated
 CT> delays and its affect on such a large group.

the delays arent that serious, see my message to boyd.  the satalite beats out
land lines flat with a one day turn around.  the average turn around for land
line is 3 days in my experiences. thats with our net polling 396/1 3 times a
day.  doesnt speed things up that much..just spreads out the processing.


Cheers, Ken

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 100
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 09/28/93 10:40p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> these boys whining about stale old 24 hour mail is bs.  the normal turn
> around for mail from bc, canada to miami, FLorida is 3 days. the satalite
> wins 2 days under par (once miami is running a dish of course <grin>)
> plus a HUGE savings..our net polls John 3 times a day everyday for a

    So all we got to do is get every fidonet node out there on the dish and
everyone is happy including me! Well exspecialy me cause then I could retire!

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 101
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 09/28/93 10:47p
Subj: Re: PCUTILS Filearea.                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> I kinda prefered the  \skydata\personal directory approach. I look in
> there all the time for stuff (never find any but its fun to look :))  now
> I've got to make the netfileguy send me back any pcutil
> tics...grin..workin in circles :))

    Ok well we kind of left that one for MAJOR upgrades to the software. With
the PCUTILS filearea it will just be for the utiities. I know what you are
saying but not everyone has it set up like you.

....Boyd

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From: ROBERT WHITT                           Number: 102
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 09/27/93  5:34p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

In a msg of <24 Sep 93>, Todd Lyons writes to Boyd Goodin:

 TL> After watching the debate, I have settled upon the conclusion that I
 TL> would like to see the mail bundles dynamically sent.  Meaning, as they
 TL> are packed, put them into the queue at the uplink site.

 TL> Every time your computer sends the signal to ours to exit and process
 TL> mail, it can "adopt" those new bundles, delete old bundles (based on
 TL> age...some record keeping will need to be done on the uplink site to
 TL> accomplish this), and restart the uplink process...

 TL> I hope this ends up not being too much work for you, but fresh
 TL> echomail is a definite bonus.

Not meaning to be combative here, but if those of us linked into PC have to
dedicate our dish to mail service - some of us (maybe most of us) will leave
the service. I am aware that some PC subscribers have a dedicated dish - but
most of us do not. I have never heard of anyone being so acute about
up-to-the-minute mail. If you are that keen on the idea, do you have a
dedicated phone line & a hook into Internet? Fido mail is ASSUMED to take 24-72
hours turnaround...to say that we must all stay aimed at G3 24 hours per day is
not a resonable thing --- is this what you are suggesting here, or have I
missed something?

Robert

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 103
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 09/29/93  1:15p
Subj: mail frequency                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > No kidding, But lets not get stupid and tell them to raise
 > our prices until this system is not economically cheaper.


    Not saying that at all, Tim, just pointing out that there are
other factors to consider.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--


    P.S.  Long time no type!

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 104
  To: ROBERT WHITT                             Date: 09/29/93  9:24p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Robert!

 > Not meaning to be combative here, but if those of us linked into PC have
 > to dedicate our dish to mail service - some of us (maybe most of us)
 > will leave the service. I am aware that some PC subscribers have a
 > dedicated dish - but most of us do not. I have never heard of anyone

I didn't really believe that there were that many that didn't have it
dedicated.

 > being so acute about up-to-the-minute mail. If you are that keen on the
 > idea, do you have a dedicated phone line & a hook into Internet? Fido

I have a dedicated computer and dish to the satellite.  I'll get whatever
comes in, but not return it until between the hours of 5pm and 8am (when my
long distance runs at 10 cents/min).

 > mail is ASSUMED to take 24-72 hours turnaround...to say that we must all
 > stay aimed at G3 24 hours per day is not a resonable thing --- is this
 > what you are suggesting here, or have I missed something?

I think it is what I am suggesting.

I guess the best comparison is this:  Do you share your voice line and BBS
line?

I don't want to dissuade anybody from getting the service.  I know that this
is the best thing to happen to our net since dirt was invented.  Even if all
mail is 24 hours old, it was better than the 40% of the backbone we were
getting before.  But, I will hanker for mail that is more up to date.  And
more of it, in the case of hte UseNet newsgroups.

Just remember, that I'm not being combative either :)

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 105
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/29/93  8:40a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


-> Here's a scenario,  at 7:30 am you start to get new mail and files.
-> Now during the day more files and mail are added to the
-> data-stream. This will also include the news groups when we get them going.
-> As the day goes by it will take longer and longer
-> for the files that were put in at 7:30 am to come around again. So as you
-> add more data to the stream it decreases the repeat
-> time of the files you started out with. If we had to send 75
-> megs a day what is your window time to pick something up?
-> Considering that we can only move a little over 6 megs an hour. Ok, who is
-> the rocket scientist out there?

Well, Boyd, I'm no rocket scientist, but I can see where we get data bound....
However, I'm just picking up properly now (and tossing under the right address
now). I have a few questions. What is the length of the gap between
transmission windows? And can we make arrangements for non-essential stuff to
be transmitted for the first bit of the window? The main reason for these
questions is that I'm using a dedicated 286-12 to read the satellite and find
that it takes it an in-ordinate amount of time to move stuff from the local
drive to one of the network drives. Either a longer Gap (say 15-20 minutes) or
inconsequential stuff (like the TV listing repeats or satellite pics) would be
of great assistance. At any rate, I am new and these questions have probably
been asked before.

Thanks in advance,
 Jeff Olesen
 Viking's Cove.


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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 106
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/29/93  8:46a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


-> Considering that we will be able to handle 155 megs in a 24 hour
-> period we will eventualy have to go to a send as it is received situation.
-> When this happens you will then have to have a
-> dedicated system.

I should think that by the time this happens, a higher speed option should be
easily available. Technology doesn't hold still for anyone. You would then be
able to open a second transponder at a higher speed for those of us with
dedicated dishes and a die-hard attitude <g>.

Jeff O.


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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 107
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/29/93  8:49a
Subj: Re: wall street journal                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


-> > The Ku-band receiver is providing an ERROR FREE link here!
->
-> No big rain storms yet eh?

I am also running KU here and we have had nothing but storms for the last 5
days. No noticeable increase in errors whatsoever. Pretty sure my errors are
caused by mis-alignment of the LNB anyway. I did however play it safe and spent
the extra $50 on a 4 foot dish with twice the reflector area. Seems to have
paid off. For those interested, I am located on the north shore of Lake
Ontario.

For a baby technology, it seems to be off and running already. I'm impressed
with it.

Jeff O.


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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 108
  To: ROBERT WHITT                             Date: 09/29/93  5:14a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Robert Whitt wrote in a message to Todd Lyons:

RW> Hello Todd!

RW> In a msg of <24 Sep 93>, Todd Lyons writes to Boyd Goodin:

 TL> After watching the debate, I have settled upon the conclusion that I
 TL> would like to see the mail bundles dynamically sent.  Meaning, as they
 TL> are packed, put them into the queue at the uplink site.

RW> Not meaning to be combative here, but if those of us linked
RW> into PC have to dedicate our dish to mail service - some of
RW> us (maybe most of us) will leave the service. I am aware
RW> that some PC subscribers have a dedicated dish - but most of
RW> us do not. I have never heard of anyone being so acute about

I have a dedicated dish! I won't use the echomail as it is too slow, once or
even twice a day is not going to be 'fresh' enough. As an 'END NODE' on the
satellite, then once a day might be the ticket, but as a HUB who must service
other HUBS, Netmail and Echomail must be moved as often as possible.

Currently, I connect with another Zone Hub, every 3 hours, to exchange mail...

Just another point of view... now the FILES and USENET... another matter <g>

Dave

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 109
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 10/01/93  7:27p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JO> it takes it an in-ordinate amount of time to move stuff from
JO> the local drive to one of the network drives. Either a
JO> longer Gap (say 15-20 minutes) or inconsequential stuff

Jeff, PCUtils was made for networks, and will move the files off your
dedicated node on the fly from any other node, and will allow you to bring the
PCMAIN program right back on line after the exit.

That's unless they have decided to change it along with everything else....

John........

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 110
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/01/93  7:35p
Subj: dead feed                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, you get my netmail message, I may not be able to receive but I can sure
send stuff out..............

John.........

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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 111
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/01/93 11:29p
Subj: Planet connect echo                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Is it possible to make the Planet Connect Echo a public echo on my BBS in case
anyone wanted to chat about Planet Connect?  If I understand a previous post,
from a while back, it stated we would be using PCSITES for a private echo for
systems already connected to Planet Connect, right?


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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 112
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 10/02/93  8:06a
Subj: wall street journal                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > For a baby technology, it seems to be off and running already. I'm
 > impressed with it.

They have been doing this for a couple of months.  They got most of the bugs
out before we came around <g>

 > -> No big rain storms yet eh?
 > I am also running KU here and we have had nothing but storms for the
 > last 5 days. No noticeable increase in errors whatsoever. Pretty sure my
 > errors are caused by mis-alignment of the LNB anyway. I did however play
 > it safe and spent the extra $50 on a 4 foot dish with twice the
 > reflector area. Seems to have paid off. For those interested, I am

Hmmm the possibility of going Ku is somewhat interesting.  I would have to
spend money for that though :(  Money that i don't have...

See y                                                                   Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 113
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/02/93  8:12a
Subj: Changing PC transmission.               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I wish that you would have given us a LITTLE more warning about the change.
Also, when you are going to change the PCINFO.TXT (especially when it comes
to something real important) kindly let us know.  OR if you prefer me to
monitor it, I can.  I hadn't before because in the two months that I've been
here, it had changed once (before the 29th)

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: ROBERT WHITT                           Number: 114
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/02/93 11:06a
Subj: vote                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

 BG>> Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a lot of you
 BG>> out there that still use your dish for viewing TV so if we go to
 BG>> 2 feeds per 24 hours, at what time would it be best to refresh
 BG>> the flow. Now remember that we have to send everything to the
 BG>> uplink via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss anything
 BG>> there will be less chance of picking it up again since the
 BG>> retransmitting time would be cut in half. What does everyone say?

I vote to have the changeover time occur at 3am and 3pm - this way, those of us
who listen overnight can capture both feeds and still not tell the family
to keep their hands off the reciever when they are awake. If this is done, any
feed between 3am & 3pm is 'first' mail, 3pm to 3am is 2nd shift stuff and THAT
schedule would cut right thru the middle of anybody's tune-in time - both full
and part-time listeners alike.

Robert

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From: ROBERT WHITT                           Number: 115
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/02/93 11:16a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

In a msg of <29 Sep 93>, Todd Lyons writes to Robert Whitt:

 TL> I didn't really believe that there were that many that didn't have it
 TL> dedicated.

I could be wrong, but I would guess that probably half of us just didn't see
fit to go and buy another dish for Planet Connect <GRIN>.

 TL> I have a dedicated computer and dish to the satellite.  I'll get
 TL> whatever comes in, but not return it until between the hours of 5pm
 TL> and 8am (when my long distance runs at 10 cents/min).

Understood - I hadn't really planned on popping down another $800/$900 for a
dedicated dish for this "hobby", but then - I hadn't planned to spend several
thousand dollars on hardware for it either (to begin with).

 TL> I think it is what I am suggesting.

I could agree with you if the majority of users are found to have a dedicated
dish - and, if THAT is the case, I will have to go with the majority and buy a
dedicated dish - but if the majority do not have such a setup, it would be
folly to require everyone to try to keep such a schedule.

 TL> I guess the best comparison is this:  Do you share your voice line and
 TL> BBS line?

No, but a telephone line does not require a $600 to $1200 dollar investment.

 TL> I don't want to dissuade anybody from getting the service.  I know
 TL> that this is the best thing to happen to our net since dirt was
 TL> invented.  Even if all mail is 24 hours old, it was better than the
 TL> 40% of the backbone we were getting before.  But, I will hanker for
 TL> mail that is more up to date.  And more of it, in the case of hte
 TL> UseNet newsgroups.

I appreciate your point, but I had to speak up for those of us who have not
dedicated a dish to thier BBS/Mail - and until I find out otherwise, I will
assume that those are the majority. Your proposal would be fine if *all* of the
users have a dedicated dish.

Robert

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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 116
  To: ROBERT WHITT                             Date: 10/01/93 11:25a
Subj: Satellite schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


-> Not meaning to be combative here, but if those of us linked into PC have to
-> dedicate our dish to mail service - some of us (maybe
-> most of us) will leave the service. I am aware that some PC
-> subscribers have a dedicated dish - but most of us do not. I
-> have never heard of anyone being so acute about
-> up-to-the-minute mail. If you are that keen on the idea, do you have a

Most of us are in fact SYSOPS trying to cut our LD bills. My LD alone is
$252.88 this month. I jsut turned the dish on a week ago, and I expect next
months bill to be about $120. There are still a few nets to get started  yet
and I expect to be down around $80 per month. This means the system will pay
for it's $900 price tag in about 6-10 months. And I'm getting 10 times the
traffic inbound plus files. Acuteness has nothing to do with it. Simple
economics.

-> dedicated phone line & a hook into Internet? Fido mail is ASSUMED to take

For me at least, turn around is not an issue.


Skaal,
 White Viking -}-----»

     8)


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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 117
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/01/93 11:26a
Subj: Satellite schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


RW> dedicated phone line & a hook into Internet? Fido mail is ASSUMED to take

For me at least, turn around is not an issue.

RW> 24-72 hours turnaround...to say that we must
RW> all stay aimed at G3 24 hours per day is not a resonable thing
RW> --- is this what you are suggesting here, or have I missed something?

Boyd: Suggestion. Can you set up the C-band uplink for timed users and leave
the K-band free-running? I think that most of the user's of K-Band will have
dedicated systems simply because it is so new. Whereas the C-bander's probably
already had the dish for watching the football/hockey games 24-hours a day.

I am running K-band and obviously favor free-running, although with a longer
gap in transmission to allow moving the stuff off the local drives onto the
network drives for processing by another system. My 286-12 with an MFM drive
can't tolerate another system accessing it's drives while linked to the bird
and it's is slow as molasses transferring the files to the network. Also can't
link to the bird and save to the network drives. I will be replacing the 386-12
with an SX-40 shortly and that may solve my problem. But I suspect not everyone
can afford to throw money at the problem to solve it.


Skaal,
 White Viking -}-----»

     ≈8)


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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 118
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/01/93  3:19a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

27 Sep 93, Boyd Goodin writes to Eric Fisher:

 BG>    Considering that we will be able to handle 155 megs in a 24 hour
period
 BG> we will eventualy have to go to a send as it is received situation. When
 BG> this happens you will then have to have a dedicated system.

Will FidoNet mail pkts be made smaller in that case?  Seems like one error,
and you never get that mail, if it only comes around once..

Rick

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 119
  To: FRANK SALERNO                            Date: 10/03/93  2:18p
Subj: Re: Planet connect echo                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Is it possible to make the Planet Connect Echo a public echo on my BBS in
> case anyone wanted to chat about Planet Connect?  If I understand a
> previous post, from a while back, it stated we would be using PCSITES for
> a private echo for systems already connected to Planet Connect, right?

   PLANET_CONNECT is the PUBLIC echo. You can post this echo on your board for
your users. PCSITES is for PC system sysops and is private.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 120
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/03/93  2:21p
Subj: Re: wall street journal                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Hmmm the possibility of going Ku is somewhat interesting.  I would have
> to spend money for that though :(  Money that i don't have...

    Also remember that we will trade your C-band data-receiver for a KU-band
receiver. All you would have to pay is the shipping. So all you would have to
get is everything except the receiver.


.....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 121
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/03/93  2:26p
Subj: Re: Changing PC transmission.           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> I wish that you would have given us a LITTLE more warning about the
> change. Also, when you are going to change the PCINFO.TXT (especially

   I am sorry for what has happened but I did not know till two days prier to
the 30th. It was by luck that I caught it at that time. After the 6th any new
upgrades to the software will be sent to you over the satellite with
suffiencent notice.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 122
  To: ROBERT WHITT                             Date: 10/03/93  2:27p
Subj: Re: vote                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> I vote to have the changeover time occur at 3am and 3pm - this way, those
> of us who listen overnight can capture both feeds and still not tell the
> family

   Noted and thanks.


....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 123
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 10/03/93  2:28p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Will FidoNet mail pkts be made smaller in that case?  Seems like one
> error, and you never get that mail, if it only comes around once..

   All compressed bundles are between 300 and 400K. For the precise reason you
stated above, we keep the bundles that size.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 124
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 10/03/93  2:37p
Subj: Re: Satellite schedule                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Boyd: Suggestion. Can you set up the C-band uplink for timed users and
> leave the K-band free-running? I think that most of the user's of K-Band
> will have dedicated systems simply because it is so new. Whereas the
> C-bander's probably already had the dish for watching the football/hockey
> games 24-hours a day.

   This would not be cost effective. Since the C-band uplink and Ku uplink are
in two different states, there would be cost involved the would make it a bit
more expensive per month on your end.

> I will be replacing the 386-12 with an SX-40 shortly and that may solve
> my problem. But I suspect not everyone can afford to throw money at the
> problem to solve it.

   Thats true and hopefully in the future we will have a program that will work
in a multi-tasking enviroment.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 125
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 10/03/93  2:39p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> What happens if you get an error on a particular file then?

   You lose the file. I dont think that we will ever send 155 megs a day. If we
get up that high it would justify having another carrier.


....Boyd

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 126
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/03/93 11:14p
Subj: UtilNet                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 * Original to Kevin & Janis at 1:396/1 in "UtilNet"
 * Forwarded Sun Oct 03 1993  23:37:32 by John Souvestre at 1:396/1

Hello Kevin & Janis.

Having read your decision to pull UtilNet from Planet Connect distribution, I'd
like to note a few things:

1)  This decision made without any discussion by the membership.

2)  When Jerry Seward decided to drop UtilNet he said that it was welcome to
continue and distribute via any means.  On that basis, it was I who suggested
that the Filebone continue the area.

3)  When Kevin called me to discuss Janis and he heading up the "new" UtilNet
the one question I asked was regarding satellite distribution (considering
Janis' position on the matter as per PDN).  Kevin assured me that UtilNet would
remain available for satellite distribution.

It seems to me that you have violated the trust put in you by the membership of
UtilNet.

I call for the membership to express their opinion.  If you can't run the area
accordingly, then I'd suggest that you resign.

Regards,

John

P.S.  I guess that we can start the tally with Janis and Kevin against Planet
Connect distribution and John for.

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 127
  To: ROBERT WHITT                             Date: 10/03/93  5:10p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Not meaning to be combative here, but if those of us linked
 > into PC have to dedicate our dish to mail service - some of
 > us (maybe most of us) will leave the service. I am aware
 > that some PC subscribers have a dedicated dish - but most


    Dunno about the majority of the deal, Robert, but once we
receive our dish & receiver (hint, hint, Boyd!) we'll be running it as a
dedicated satellite receiver.

    Btw, is anyone running the software under OS/2 in a DOS box
and if so, how well is it running?  Any timing problems?


 > about up-to-the-minute mail. If you are that keen on the
 > idea, do you have a dedicated phone line & a hook into
 > Internet? Fido mail is ASSUMED to take 24-72 hours


    I wish...  Unfortunately T1 connections don't grow on trees
or satellite dishes.  :sigh:


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: TONY HONAKER                           Number: 128
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/03/93  7:55p
Subj: Vote???                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I see all this stuff about a vote... I must have miss something.. I would vote
that IBM give me a new computer But I really dont think it will work. :-)


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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 129
  To: ROBERT WHITT                             Date: 10/04/93  6:59a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Robert!

02 Oct 93, Robert Whitt writes to Todd Lyons:

 RW> Understood - I hadn't really planned on popping down another $800/$900
for
 RW> a dedicated dish for this "hobby", but then - I hadn't planned to spend
 RW> several thousand dollars on hardware for it either (to begin with).

I think if you look around, you can find a 2' C Band dish and LNB for a LOT
less than $800-$900.  If not, I'll be glad to sell you one for $750! <g>

 RW> No, but a telephone line does not require a $600 to $1200 dollar
 RW> investment.

How much was your bbs computer?

Rick

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 130
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/05/93  8:51p
Subj: No Vote                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 * Original to All at 1:396/1 in "UtilNet2"
 * Forwarded Tue Oct 05 1993  21:09:08 by John Souvestre at 1:396/1

I spoke last night with Kevin Snively.  He informed me that no matter how the
membership voted he and Janis would not change their mind about not allowing
Planet Connect to distribute UtilNet.

Based on this a number of us decided to vote with our feet.  Please see the
following message.

John

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 131
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/05/93  8:53p
Subj: UtilNet2                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 * Original to All at 1:396/1 in "UtilNet2"
 * Forwarded Tue Oct 05 1993  21:09:20 by John Souvestre at 1:396/1

Announcing a new file distribution network:


                              Utility Net 2
                             ---------------


Here's the upcoming FILEBONE.NA description:


      Area UTILNET2   0   !     UtilNet2 FDN: Utility Files
      ;             Temp HeadQuarters: 1:396/1 John Souvestre
      ;             Hatching: 1:2613/333 Jerry Seward
      ;             SysOp Conference: UTILNET2


Jerry Seward, founder of the original UtilNet, has returned and will be
hatching current versions of your favorite utilities in UtilNet2.

UtilNet2 is freely available via the Filebone and Planet Connect.

John

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 132
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 09/27/93  1:34a
Subj: Here we are                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Tuesday September 21 1993, Murray Pletsch writes to Ken Kavanagh:

Hello Murray!

 MP>  This is exactly what I will be doing also.  Plus relaying the filebone to
 MP> the NFC.  The setup is my personal endeavour and the data will be provided
 MP> to the net through an agreement.

the rec/nec/nfc and myself worked out a rather ingenious way to get the mail to
the *EC's both without having to make two copies before sending it (it was our
NEC that came up with the idea) Hatch the 0000ffff's to both nodes after I get
it..and tic will delete the "passthrough" files after BOTH have received them
:))  totally perfect for me.  once we start seeing more regular mail and file
feeds  (still get a missing TIC or FIles once in a while, and the backbone
tends to be a little uneven day to day with the amount of mail) the nec and rec
will both get a feed of the data and the nfc gets his files. smooth as silk :)

Cheers, Ken

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 133
  To: JOHN REYNOLDS                            Date: 09/27/93  1:39a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Wednesday September 22 1993, John Reynolds writes to Tim Jacobs:

Hello John!

 TJ>> I vote no.  One problem with the system and I lose half a
 TJ>> days mail. And I don't want to have to call longdistance for
 TJ>> it.  If my system did nothing but get mail that is a
 TJ>> differnt story.  I have another life besides BBS'ing 24hours
 TJ>> a day, and that envolves some TV watching.

 JR> The cost of a demodulator and a fixed dish are about $600 (as I understand

i got my dish cable stand bla bla bla for $500 canadian out of the buynsell.
I'm very pleased about that little coup d'etat <grin>

the receiver was an extra 400+ after exchange and duty

 JR> mail locally!  I think the marketing of the system is going to be to the
 JR> Nets rather than to individuals.

i think you're very correct! :)


Cheers, Ken

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 134
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/27/93  1:42a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Friday September 24 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Rob Nelson:

Hello Boyd!

 BG>    Here's a scenario,  at 7:30 am you start to get new mail and files. Now
 BG> during the day more files and mail are added to the data-stream. This will
 BG> also include the news groups when we get them going. As the day goes by it
 BG> will take longer and longer for the files that were put in at 7:30 am to
 BG> come around again. So as you add more data to the stream it decreases the
 BG> repeat time of the files you started out with. If we had to send 75 megs a
 BG> day what is your window time to pick something up? Considering that we can
 BG> only move a little over 6 megs an hour.

well..why not do a mail toss at 5am or whenever..rename all those mail bundles
to 7am.mo? and start sending at 7am like normal

then after 7am, all mail that gets tossed gets named 7pm.mo?  keep transmitting
the 7am mail till 7am the next day. keep transmitting the 7pm mail from 7pm to
7pm the next day..that way the parttime users can get everything at least once
during the day, where as the "gotta have it instantly crowd" can toss "fresh'
mail twice a day.  this is just putting method to that other fellows very good
idea.

 BG> Ok, who is the rocket scientist
 BG> out there?  ...Boyd

not me :)

Cheers, Ken

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 135
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 09/28/93  7:34p
Subj: Here we are                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ken!

Monday September 27 1993, Ken Kavanagh writes to Murray Pletsch:

 KK> the rec/nec/nfc and myself worked out a rather ingenious way to get the
 KK> mail to the *EC's both without having to make two copies before sending it
 KK> (it was our NEC that came up with the idea) Hatch the 0000ffff's to both
 KK> nodes after I get it..and tic will delete the "passthrough" files after
 KK> BOTH have received them :))  totally perfect for me.  once we start seeing

It did require some batch file majik and a util to accomplish. A problem with
using Hatch is that when "you" hatch files into a PassThru area Hatch "assumes"
you do not really want to delete them after sending, so creates incorrect *.PT
files.  The batch file corrects this problem....

If you want it, fREQuest PLANETIC.ZIP     26012 09-26-93

We are really looking forward to changing over to SkyLink as opposed to
Landline for bringing the mail into Net 153....

Cheers, Ervin
NEC, Net 153

... Cinema should make you forget you are sitting in a theater.
    - Roman Polanski

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 136
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/05/93  1:48p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> What happens if you get an error on a particular file then?
 BG>
 BG>    You lose the file. I dont think that we will ever

If you "lose the file", then it won't be a reliable method of transferring mail
bundles...



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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 137
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 10/06/93  8:13p
Subj: UtilNet2                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John--

 JS> Announcing a new file distribution network:

 JS>                               Utility Net 2
 JS>                              -+--+--+--+--+-

 JS> Jerry Seward, founder of the original UtilNet, has returned and will be
 JS> hatching current versions of your favorite utilities in UtilNet2.

 JS> UtilNet2 is freely available via the Filebone and Planet Connect.


WAY TO GO, JOHN!!!!!!!! Wow, man, this is really using some clout!!!!!

Thank God SOMEONE around here has some sense!!!! I mean, what in the h*ll is
wrong with these people? Aren't SHAREWARE/FREEWARE files for the good of us
all??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I appreciate you taking an interest in this and doing something about it.

And, THANK YOU, Jerry!

And, thank God for democracy!!!!

Ken

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From: JOHN REYNOLDS                          Number: 138
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 10/05/93  9:47p
Subj: UTILNET                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave James scribbled in a note to Kevin:

DJ> This is totally BULL!!!  Let's get with the program, the
DJ> FILEBONE was designed to help distribute FILES, not get in
DJ> the way!

DJ> UTILNET was/is OPEN distribution... if you want to keep
DJ> restricting how the FILES get moved around, maybe we should
DJ> just get someone else that is not so restrictive!

DJ> I vote it stays ON the Satellite feed!

I can't believe some people are so far back in the dark ages that they try this
"restricted" feed stuff.  They ought to know in this wonderful electronic world
of ours that "where there is a will, there is a way" and their pompus ruling
will only get themselves more isolated.

Way to go Dave!

Later,
 John

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From: JOHN REYNOLDS                          Number: 139
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 10/05/93 11:29p
Subj: UtilNet2                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Souvestre scribbled in a note to All:

JS> UtilNet2 is freely available via the Filebone and Planet
JS> Connect.

Way to go John!  Any possibility of something being done about PDN while you
are at it :-)

Later,
 John

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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 140
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 10/06/93  4:54a
Subj: No Vote                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I spoke last night with Kevin Snively.  He informed me that no matter
 > how the membership voted he and Janis would not change their mind about
 > not allowing Planet Connect to distribute UtilNet.

 > Based on this a number of us decided to vote with our feet.  Please see
 > the following message.

Thanks, John!!

                            --==jb==--

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From: ROB NELSON                             Number: 141
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 10/04/93  3:53p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Patty Pickett wrote in a message to Robert Whitt:

PP>     Btw, is anyone running the software under OS/2 in a DOS
PP> box and if so, how well is it running?  Any timing problems?

I have tried running PC on my BBS machine (running OS/2).  The software runs
fine, but once you get several things going at once errors start to crop up.  I
was suprised at how well it did run though. I would imagine that an OS/2 or DV
system running a smart serial card such as a Digiboard or equivilent would
handle the task just fine.  For now I run PC on a dedicated DOS machine.

Cheers,
           Rob

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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 142
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/04/93  9:33a
Subj: Wall street journal                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> it safe and spent the extra $50 on a 4 foot dish with twice the
 > reflector area. Seems to have paid off. For those interested, I am

TL>Hmmm the possibility of going Ku is somewhat interesting.  I would have
TL>to spend money for that though :(  Money that i don't have...

I didn't exactly have it either. But my phone bill was fairly ridiculous and
the entire system will be paid for in about 6 months just through savings on
the phone. If one factors in the increased feed and files, it was paid for in
the first week <g>.


Skaal,
 White Viking -}-----»
===
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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 143
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 10/08/93 12:41a
Subj: UTILNET                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > UTILNET was/is OPEN distribution... if you want to keep restricting how
 > the FILES get moved around, maybe we should just get someone else that
 > is not so restrictive!
 > I vote it stays ON the Satellite feed!

YES!

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 144
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 10/08/93 12:43a
Subj: UtilNet2                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  * Original to All at 1:396/1 in "UtilNet2"
 >  * Forwarded Tue Oct 05 1993  21:09:20 by John Souvestre at 1:396/1
 >
 > Announcing a new file distribution network:
 >                               Utility Net 2

And we all appreciate it John!  Thanks!                           Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 145
  To: JOHN REYNOLDS                            Date: 10/08/93 12:46a
Subj: UtilNet2                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > JS> UtilNet2 is freely available via the Filebone and Planet
 > JS> Connect.
 > Way to go John!  Any possibility of something being done about PDN while
 > you are at it :-)

:-) <crossed-fingers>

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 146
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 10/07/93  5:32p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> well..why not do a mail toss at 5am or whenever..rename all those mail
> bundles to 7am.mo? and start sending at 7am like normal

   It is workable but how come nobody takes into account that WE have to modem
all this stuff up to the uplink. With the current software at the uplink we
could not do that as we have to shut the process down, add our files to send,
then start the process up. Once we have our uplink software changed to add and
transmit files onthe fly then we could do this.


....Boyd

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 147
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/07/93 11:29a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I guess the best comparison is this:  Do you share your voice line and
 > BBS line?

I know you arn't talking to me but I know many people that do.  I also do use
my voice line for data. I deliver all mail at night via my voice line. I takes
no incoming data but delivers massive mail at night.  That way it frees the
other 3 lines for users.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 148
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 10/07/93 12:05p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     Btw, is anyone running the software under OS/2 in a DOS box
 > and if so, how well is it running?  Any timing problems?

I couldn't get it to work without massive errors.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 149
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 10/07/93  3:33p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ken!

27 Sep 93, Ken Kavanagh writes to John Reynolds:

 JR>> mail locally!  I think the marketing of the system is going to be to
 JR>> the Nets rather than to individuals.

 KK> i think you're very correct! :)

Maybe.  In our net, the availability of the entire fb/bb at a cheap flat rate
has raised the amount of mail each node requests.  This has filled up the 24
hour period that our net hub can deliver mail.  Because of the increased busy
signals, 2 other nodes in our net have plans to put in their own.

That, along with the extra "receiving node only services" that are becoming
available..

I think INITIALLY it will be a net hub solution, but those with larger systems
will tend to start picking up their own dish due to the affordability..

What'cha think?

Rick

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 150
  To: ROB NELSON                               Date: 10/08/93  9:36p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > The software runs fine, but once you get several things
 > going at once errors start to crop up.  I was suprised at
 > how well it did run though. I would imagine that an OS/2 or
 > DV system running a smart serial card such as a Digiboard
 > or equivilent would handle the task just fine.  For now I
 > run PC on a dedicated DOS machine.



    I was thinking of running it on a semi-dedicated OS/2
machine with 16550 UARTS, Rob.  Semi-dedicated in that it would also be
doing periodic backups of the network drives.

    Thanks much for the info!


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: RANDY SHERWYN                          Number: 151
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 10/09/93  5:14a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > That, along with the extra "receiving node only services"
 > that are becoming available..
 >
 > I think INITIALLY it will be a net hub solution, but those
 > with larger systems will tend to start picking up their own
 > dish due to the affordability..
 >
 > What'cha think?

Exactamundo! I am an Asst NEC ( definition=didn't want to be NEC again but
offered to help! ) I now bring in the nets mail and pass it over to the NEC
for distribution. I, of course, utilize the mail and files (and dying for the
InterNet feed, which is why I put the sat dish up) and look forward to the
little extras (nat classifieds, TV, etc) as a little excluisve bonus for my
MajorBBS system.
Net gets the entire backbone at an afforable rate as opposed to phone lines,
and I get mail first and the nifty little extras: Everybody wins!

But there has been talk of a few others who would like to have their own dish,
and I imagine within the next few months Boyd & Joe will have some additional
sales here in SW Florida.

Randy

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 152
  To: PLANET CONNECT PEOPLE                    Date: 10/09/93  6:46a
Subj: Dongle                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Are there any plans to update that dongle that has to be plugged into the
printer port on the Planet Connect dedicated computer?  Many people will not
have a printer available to be plugged into this computer, and it is my
understanding that unless a printer is plugged into the system, AND online all
hours of operation, that the system will not function.  This would seem to be
an unnecessary burden to place on the customer in the name of commercial
protection.

From this end, I have blown up printer power supplies from having them powered
on for long periods of time (specifically Star Micronics, Panasonic, and NEC).
As long as the problem printer REMAINS on, it will basically run forever, but
if it is ever shut down for any reason (blackouts, moving system, etc), some
part of the power supply can be electrically worn and will not hold power on
any future attempt to power up.  This is a VERY expensive repair on inexpensive
printers, and is an unneccessary part of a Planet Connect computer installation
(other than for that darn protection device).  For example, on my $795 NEC P5
printer, they wanted $520 to repair the power supply.

I have only had this problem, and had customers with this problem on printers
kept on over a year period of time.  But you DO want to encourage long time
customers, don't you? <g>  Also, with increased data load, the full time
dedicated system will fast become a reality, not to mention the lazy bbs sysop
likes to set things up and let them run, making them especially susceptible to
this problem.

Surely there must be some other form of protection for your data stream..
Perhaps a terminated device for those that are not planning on hooking up a
printer?

Rick

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 153
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 10/07/93  8:58a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Friday October 01 1993, John Morano writes to Jeff Olesen:

Hello John!

 JM> Jeff, PCUtils was made for networks, and will move the files off your
 JM> dedicated node on the fly from any other node, and will allow you to bring
 JM> the PCMAIN program right back on line after the exit.

from what you say above, can I run Pcutil on another node to move the inbound
sat_mail to another machine and immediately bring pccmain backup?

I'm running lantastic and from everything I tried, pccmain wont properly
recieve when its machine is in server mode (which is the only way I could see
running pcutil at the same time from another node)  I'd just get errors.  HOw
are you doing this to not get errors once pccmain is backup??  The only way I
can see the dedicated sat computer being a server as well, is for PC to add
16550 UART support to pccmain.exe.  Currently I can teven force the buffering
on and see the software use it.  Once they add that, then multitasking is a
breeze. :)
Cheers, Ken

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 154
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 10/10/93  1:12p
Subj: Re: Dongle                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> not have a printer available to be plugged into this computer, and it is
> my understanding that unless a printer is plugged into the system, AND
> online all hours of operation, that the system will not function.  This

   No! If you just plug the dongle into the printer port and dont have a
printer hooked up then it will work ok. If you have a printer inline with the
dongle then and only then would you be required to have to have the printer on.
When the dongle is the only thing hooked to the printer port you do not need a
printer what so ever.

> Surely there must be some other form of protection for your data stream..
> Perhaps a terminated device for those that are not planning on hooking up
> a printer?

   As I stated you do not need a printer hooked up at all. My main system just
has the dongle in it and it runs with no problems.

....Boyd

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 155
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 10/10/93  9:55a
Subj: Dongle                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rick Ashworth wrote in a message to Planet Connect People:

RA> dedicated computer?  Many people will not have a printer
RA> available to be plugged into this computer, and it is my
RA> understanding that unless a printer is plugged into the
RA> system, AND online all hours of operation, that the system
RA> will not function.  This would seem to be an unnecessary

I have a 'doggle', no printer attached, works flawlessly... the problem that I
have noticed, is that IF you do have a printer attached, it must be ON at all
times... they are working on that... I just dropped the printer cable, and all
is well, of course, I have 3 other machines to run a printer from <g>

Dave

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 156
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 10/10/93  2:13p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I'm running lantastic and from everything I tried, pccmain wont properly
 > recieve when its machine is in server mode (which is the only way I

Hell at least you could get it to run.  Would lock up my server as soon as it
came up.

 > could see running pcutil at the same time from another node)  I'd just
 > get errors.  HOw are you doing this to not get errors once pccmain is

If you have a spare machine and network card (can be a 286 or even an XT) just
have the satellite computer dump it to a dedicated server's hard drive.  Then
have a copy of FD or something sitting on that XT.  Write a semaphore which
causes it to drop and do the mail.  As long as all the stuff is on the
server, all nodes can access it.  It's slow as hell, but it does work...

 > backup??  The only way I can see the dedicated sat computer being a
 > server as well, is for PC to add 16550 UART support to pccmain.exe.
 > Currently I can teven force the buffering on and see the software use
 > it.  Once they add that, then multitasking is a breeze. :)

Yes I'd love to see it running under DV over here, but I think that would slow
down my system so much that it's really not a top priority over here...

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: FRANK SCHEEL                           Number: 157
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/10/93 12:45p
Subj: DISK ACCESS                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have PC up and running and I am wondering what this is doing to the life of
my harddrive. Anyone have any ideas as how to keep the program from writing to
the disk every block? It is my understanding that you cannot use a disk cache.

Also have intermitent problem getting a large amount of errors. Seems the only
way to correct it is to kill power to the PC
receiver and bringing it back up. It seems as if the afc circuit has stopped
working. It seems to take a long time  for it to lock back on tke freq. once
you power back up. Once it does it works error free for some time. There is no
noticeable drop in the signal level as displayed by the meter.
Later,
         <_Frank_>

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 158
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/11/93  1:23p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Ken Kavanagh:


TL> Yes I'd love to see it running under DV over here, but I
TL> think that would slow down my system so much that it's
TL> really not a top priority over here...

I have been running under DV for about 3 weeks now and it seems to be working
without a flaw.  The newer software that we started running OCT 6 even runs
much better under dv because the increased speed doesn't hog the cpu time so
long.   I don't have a 16550 uart buffer but I believe it would be a good idea
to get one.  If you run a cd rom disc it may cause problems for dv/Planet
Connect because they tend to freeze the system a little too long.  I found that
setting my tics to 1 and 1 worked best.  It prevented errors when copying to a
floppy disc or changing windows. I'm running on a 40 mhz 386.

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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 159
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/11/93 12:52a
Subj: Problems                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Hi All,
 Just a report on my system and what it is doing.

I'm located on the north-shore of Lake Ontario and getting fine reception. My
reception quality is down to 3 9's because of a damaged dish (I am a klutz and
seem to have warped or mis-assembled the dish).Anyone have any ideas on how to
re-align the the LNB?

Now on to other problems.

1) Time interval. I am currrently running Planet-Connect on a 386SX-40
single-tasking under Little Big Lan with 10Mb NE2000 EtherNet cards. The
problem I have is speed. I cannot write to a LAN drive without errors. I have
to write to a local drive and then transfer to the LAN drive. This means
minimum 5 minutes on a light day and up to 20 minutes on a heavy day to
transfer the files to a LAN drive. Under NO circumstances can any other machine
access the satellite local drive while download is being done. With or without
a 16550 installed (to make the 16550 work, install a fossil). I am losing files
at the start of the cycle because of this.

Has anyone else overcome any of part of this problem??

2) PCUtils: Needs to be expanded. It is a lovely program that works exactly as
intended. One suggestion for improvement would be to add in other areas. Right
now it only processes the FILES are for FIDO and FILEBONE stuff. Would like to
see handling for QWK (and yes, I can see how difficult it could be with the
same filenames every day). I currently have batch files set up, but they are
not infallible and I am relying on many semaphore files to to keep collisions
to a minimum.

3) TV and weather stuff. I believe this stuff is for posting on our boards
right?? Well, we need some sort of file descriptor to be sent along with them
to allow automatic tossing via TICK. Anyone got any suggestions on how to
handle these areas? I am doing it manually right now and do not intend to
continue doing so.

4) Reception errors. As I said, my reception is down to 3 9's and I get errors
on long files. We had one file come in today that is 6.25Mb long. I had 3-5
errors in each attempt to get that one. I would like to see the system adapted
to allow a record to be kept for each file that had an error and then be able
to combine two or more bad files with MARKED bad records to generate a single
good one. I realize it would be a rather monumental task to track the errors,
but I also think it would be worth it.


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 160
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/08/93  7:05p
Subj: hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello all!

Center of the Cosmos is trying to carry this conference for all the fine folks
in Mobile Alabama.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 161
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/10/93 12:38a
Subj: hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello all!

I'm still trying to get my retrun mail to work...

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From: MARK STENNETT                          Number: 162
  To: FRANK SCHEEL                             Date: 10/11/93  7:30a
Subj: DISK ACCESS                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

FS> I have PC up and running and I am wondering what this is
FS> doing to the life of my harddrive. Anyone have any ideas as
FS> how to keep the program from writing to the disk every
FS> block? It is my understanding that you cannot use a disk
FS> cache.

It can't be any worse than chucking the backbone...


:)


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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 163
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 10/11/93  1:01p
Subj: DONGLE                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


>I have a 'doggle', no printer attached, works flawlessly... the problem
 >that I have noticed, is that IF you do have a printer attached, it must be
 >ON at all times... they are working on that... I just dropped the printer

If I have this right...

So first I have to buy a printer card for the receiver system. Then I
can't connect a printer even if I *want* to. This is getting ugly
real fast. I can't run the receiver on a machine without a parallel
port. I can't run a printer on the parallel port when I install it
unless it's powered up 24 hours a day -- mine is a 300+ watt laser! And
to top it off I have to dedicate a machine full-time to the receiver
because it doesn't know about buffered UARTs.

Will one of the Planet Connect representatives say something
soothing or technical that explains all these troubles away as a simple
misunderstanding? Pretty please.

My dish is in. Finally. Isn't sudden growth grand? <g>

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 164
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/12/93  2:37p
Subj: hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hello all!

 > I'm still trying to get my retrun mail to work...

Looks like it's working Terry.  How's the pre-owned CD ROM Drive business
going?  The drives I got from you are still going strong!

Ed

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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 165
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/11/93  7:19p
Subj: Re: dongle                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


-> As I stated you do not need a printer hooked up at all. My main
-> system just has the dongle in it and it runs with no problems.

May not be entirely correct Boyd. I was building a new 386sx40 system to use
for the satellite and I had  to exchange my AT I/O card for another one because
the first one didn't like the dongle. I don't recall the error message, but a
printer worked in the port so it wasn't defective.

Jeff O.
 Viking's Cove.


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From: RANDY SHERWYN                          Number: 166
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/12/93 12:39p
Subj: hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hello all!
 >
 > I'm still trying to get my retrun mail to work...
 >
Gee terry, keep tryin!..I'll let you know when it gets here.. :>)

(yea, I know, theres one in every crowd)

Randy
*ASTRO* BBS

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 167
  To: FRANK SCHEEL                             Date: 10/12/93  1:07p
Subj: DISK ACCESS                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I have PC up and running and I am wondering what this is doing to the
 > life of my harddrive. Anyone have any ideas as how to keep the program
 > from writing to the disk every block? It is my understanding that you
 > cannot use a disk cache.

If a hard drive is spinning, it's spinning.  It's not going to make a whole
lot of difference writing one block at a time, or moving it all in one chunk
(which it does anyway)

 > Also have intermitent problem getting a large amount of errors. Seems
 > the only way to correct it is to kill power to the PC
 > receiver and bringing it back up. It seems as if the afc circuit has
 > stopped working. It seems to take a long time  for it to lock back on
 > tke freq. once you power back up. Once it does it works error free for
 > some time. There is no noticeable drop in the signal level as displayed
 > by the meter.

 Check your polarity.  That's what caused it on mine.  When I adjusted mine
all errors went away...

See ya                                                                  Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 168
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 10/12/93  1:15p
Subj: Problems                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > 3) TV and weather stuff. I believe this stuff is for posting on our
 > boards right?? Well, we need some sort of file descriptor to be sent
 > along with them to allow automatic tossing via TICK. Anyone got any
 > suggestions on how to handle these areas? I am doing it manually right
 > now and do not intend to continue doing so.

From my bat file:

copy c:\skydata\weather c:\skydata\weather.sav
YEARDAY C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER\WEATHMAP.ARC
YEARDAY C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER\RADAR.ARC
YEARDAY C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER\SATELITE.ARC
COPY C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER M:\FILES\WEATHER
ECHO Y|DEL C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER

Then in my bbs:

       Lyons' Den BBS---The Lake Area's      [-]  Return to File Menu
      Source for up to date Weather Maps     [!]  Logoff the BBS

             [1]  Download the most recent radar map
             [2]  Download the most recent weather forecast
             [3]  Download the most recent satellite photos
             [4]  Download SHOW.EXE (to view the *.PCX pics)

             [F]  List Archived Files (Tag to Download)
             [R]  Raw Listing of Current Weather Maps
             [D]  Begin Download of Tagged Files

     Note:  Extension is *.ARC but use PKUnzip to extract.  (^~ min^):

Numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4 do a direct download of the files that I copied over to
the weather.sav subdir.  F shows the listing of the files that YEARDAY
changed the extension of.  R shows a raw subdir of the weather.sav subdir.  D
starts the download of the tagged files.

 > 4) Reception errors. As I said, my reception is down to 3 9's and I get
 > errors on long files. We had one file come in today that is 6.25Mb long.
 > I had 3-5 errors in each attempt to get that one. I would like to see
 > the system adapted to allow a record to be kept for each file that had
 > an error and then be able to combine two or more bad files with MARKED
 > bad records to generate a single good one. I realize it would be a
 > rather monumental task to track the errors, but I also think it would be
 > worth it.

Adjust your pitch, angle, and polarity and see if those don't go away.  Are
you Ku or C band? (G4 or G3 satellite)  I would also definitely invest in a
16550.  I also load a fossil driver (for what good it does) and lock the port
at 19200.  It doesn't really use it just yet (I don't think) but it will be
there if and when fossil/16550 support is ever added.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 169
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 10/12/93  9:10p
Subj: FILE AREA TITLES....                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 CW> Anyway, I've been trying to make head nor tail out of
 CW> all the tic files, an the filearea.cur file only lists
 CW> the area tags. Could you possibly provide us a list of
 CW> what each of these areas area?  What is SURVDIFF? SV_*

SurvDiff and SV are the Survival Network file sections.  For a complete list of
what's being shipped up via the Filebone or most other echos, grab you a copy
of Filebone.Na

Cheers



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From: JEFF JOHNSON                           Number: 170
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 10/11/93  8:59a
Subj: DONGLE                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Are there any plans to update that dongle that has to be plugged
 > into the printer port on the Planet Connect dedicated computer?
 > Many people will not have a printer available to be plugged into
 > this computer, and it is my understanding that unless a printer is

Rick, I do not have a printer plugged into mine and it works just fine..



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From: JEFF JOHNSON                           Number: 171
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 10/12/93  8:16p
Subj: PROBLEMS                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jeff, I am running the sat  on a 386x40 as a workstation on a Novell Net ware
Lite. I am not having any problems at all writing to the server.. You might try
runnning Norton SI and do a benchmark on the network... You might have a bad
card.. But writing to the net should not be a problem...I know several people
running it under both Lantastic and Novell...

As far as aligning your dish again... The best is by actually making measuring
the proper distances to make sure you lnb is centered and then take the
receiver out to the dish and use the meter to max it out...




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From: KEITH SIPPY                            Number: 172
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 10/13/93 10:34a
Subj: Dongle                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RA> dedicated computer?  Many people will not have a
 RA> printer available to be plugged into this computer, and
 RA> it is my understanding that unless a printer is plugged
 RA> into the system, AND online all hours of operation,
 RA> that the system will not function.  This would seem to
 RA> be an unnecessary burden to place on the customer in

Actually when I first installed it it wouldn't work with the printer connected
and on.  I then took the printer off and it worked fine.  So going by my
experience it already does that.  I just moved the printer to another computer
on the network.  Probably better anyway.

Keith

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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 173
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/13/93 10:24p
Subj: satellite shot...                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd:
1.    I am up and working "fivers" for the past two or three days, thanks to
Dave Smith and his concern and sense of urgency.
2.    Next week the net feed will swing over and we will be full operation.
3.    We have not received our rains yet here on Vancouver Island....but I am
quite optomistic about the quality of the signal. Time will tell.   I am using
a 48" ku band dish and I had a pro set it up for me thereby guaranteeing an
optimum signal strength.
4.    A couple of weeks ago you asked for comments and suggestions about the
state/cycle/content of the satellite dump.  I chuck my hat in on the side that
recommends the second main cycle.  The fact that the current upload comes in
2.5 to 3.0 hours.....the other 21 hours of the day are "wasted" imho.
Splitting the day into two 12 cycles would be much appreciated by many sysops
around this neck of the woods who would then receive fresh mail.
5.   Keep up the good work and look forward to this thing evolving.

Regards....Murray


Regards....Murray

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 174
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 10/13/93  9:40p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

KK> from what you say above, can I run Pcutil on another node to
KK> move the inbound sat_mail to another machine and immediately
KK> bring pccmain backup?

Exactomundo.........

Just set the bat file on the receiver node to just loop on the exit and then
on another node ( I use my main mail node bat file ) and this is the line in
the bat file that calls the program to move the fido mail bundles to the
holding directory defined in the config file for PCUTIL

IF EXIST I:\PLANETC\FIDO\0000FFFF.???   PCUTIL CHECK3

Note: The PCU= enviroment and the path to PCUTIL must be set to call it from
another node or you can put the config file and PCUTIL on the node you are
calling it from.


John......

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 175
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 10/13/93 11:01p
Subj: DONGLE                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  >I have a 'doggle', no printer attached, works flawlessly... the problem

 > If I have this right...
 > So first I have to buy a printer card for the receiver system. Then I
 > can't connect a printer even if I *want* to. This is getting ugly

Nope.  You can either
a) not connect a printer to it.
b) connect one but it has to be on all the time.

 > real fast. I can't run the receiver on a machine without a parallel
 > port. I can't run a printer on the parallel port when I install it
 > unless it's powered up 24 hours a day -- mine is a 300+ watt laser! And

Run down to your local Radio Shack or some computer store and hook up one of
those mechanical A/B switches.  Simply have it switched to an open outlet
when you don't want to have your printer on.

 > to top it off I have to dedicate a machine full-time to the receiver
 > because it doesn't know about buffered UARTs.

That's something I hope they work on soon.  Keep in mind that this "dedicated"
machine can be a cheap 286 (I'm running an old 386SX)

 > Will one of the Planet Connect representatives say something
 > soothing or technical that explains all these troubles away as a simple
 > misunderstanding? Pretty please.

Probably something close to: "When it's ready" <tm>

 > My dish is in. Finally. Isn't sudden growth grand? <g>

You learn to deal with it :)

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: RANDY SHERWYN                          Number: 176
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/14/93  1:09p
Subj: Access                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I read in your mailing that version 1 would expire after 30 days (meaning
10-31-93) and that we would need to return some sort of subscription form.

Did I miss this or is it coming? All seems to be working well here...I also
would like to see a 12 hour cycle. But then again I run a dedicated dish, I
know everyone doesn't.

Randy
*ASTRO* BBS
Ft. Myers, FL

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From: JOHN REYNOLDS                          Number: 177
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 10/14/93 10:14a
Subj: Re: dongle                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jeff Olesen scribbled in a note to Boyd Goodin:

-> As I stated you do not need a printer hooked up at all. My main
-> system just has the dongle in it and it runs with no problems.

JO> May not be entirely correct Boyd. I was building a new
JO> 386sx40 system to use for the satellite and I had  to
JO> exchange my AT I/O card for another one because the first
JO> one didn't like the dongle. I don't recall the error
JO> message, but a printer worked in the port so it wasn't
JO> defective.

Bzzzttt! Wrong answer :-)  (Sort of).  What is happening is some manufacturers
(Taiwan) only connect enough pins of the 25 to make a printer work.  Software
like Lap-Link, Irwin Parallel Backups, and those that use dongle's need more of
the pins in the spec.  When we did a company wide backup using the Irwin's we
found close to 2% of our parallel ports had to be changed out :-(

Later,
 John

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 178
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 10/14/93  7:53p
Subj: FILE AREA TITLES....                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  * Origin: Dogs crawl under fences... Software crawls under Windows!
 > (1:170/610)

Hey Jim, your origin line is too long.  Should be 78 characters including the
(1:170/610)  Just thought I'd let you know before John Souvestre's GMD :)

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 179
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 10/13/93 12:58p
Subj: TICK LIMITATIONS?                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


>some areas are unknown, yet they are indeed in my tic.cfg. I think I'm
 >running with v2.10. Is there a later version or another util like tick that

That's the latest version. We're using tick 2.10 on 2 of the three N.A.
filebone hubs. I'm not aware of a ceiling on number of areas. I believe
it 'only' allows 200 connections per area though.

The unknown area might be a missing subdir on your hard drive or a
slight misspelling somewhere on an AREA line in tic.cfg.

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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 180
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 10/13/93  9:58p
Subj: Dongle                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GP I can't run the receiver on a machine without a parallel
  port. I can't run a printer on the parallel port when I install it
  unless it's powered up 24 hours a day -- mine is a 300+ watt laser!

        I also use a laser printer, but found a way around leaving it powered
up 24 hours a day.  I have a laser printer hooked up to a device that allows up
to 4 computers to print on the laser printer.  I found that if I just leave the
power on to the parallel printer sharing device I can turn the printer off
without the dongle key noticing it.  I picked the printer sharing device up at
CompuAdd a while ago.  It is model number MP-401b.  I'm not sure if all printer
sharing devices would work like this, but at least mine does.

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From: JEFF JOHNSON                           Number: 181
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 10/14/93  9:54a
Subj: RE: DONGLE                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > -> As I stated you do not need a printer hooked up at all. My main
 > -> system just has the dongle in it and it runs with no problems.
 >
 > May not be entirely correct Boyd. I was building a new 386sx40
 > system to use for the satellite and I had  to exchange my AT I/O
 > card for another one because the first one didn't like the dongle. I
 > don't recall the error message, but a printer worked in the port so
 > it wasn't defective.

The Dongle requires that the printer port be working both directions correctly
whereis the printer only receives data from the port... I had 2 ports on 2
different machines that worked perfectly on printers but would not work with
the hd copy programs that used the bi-directional printer port... You may have
the same problem...



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From: JEFF JOHNSON                           Number: 182
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 10/14/93  7:20p
Subj: SATELLITE SHOT...                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > in on the side that recommends the second main cycle.  The fact that
 > the current upload comes in 2.5 to 3.0 hours.....the other 21 hours
 > of the day are "wasted" imho.  Splitting the day into two 12 cycles
 > would be much appreciated by many sysops around this neck of the
 > woods who would then receive fresh mail.

Murray, I use the pcutil program to move over 3 mail bundles and toss them.. I
move 3 every 3 hours.. Thus the net gets mail every 3 hours.. They seem to like
it like this...



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From: JEFF JOHNSON                           Number: 183
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 10/15/93 11:31a
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Just set the bat file on the receiver node to just loop on the exit
 > and then  on another node ( I use my main mail node bat file ) and
 > this is the line in  the bat file that calls the program to move the
 > fido mail bundles to the  holding directory defined in the config
 > file for PCUTIL
 >
 > IF EXIST I:\PLANETC\FIDO\0000FFFF.???   PCUTIL CHECK3

John, I go one step futher, I have 700=off in my .ini file.. so it never exits
from the batch file. and have another machine do a next3 every 3 hours..



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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 184
  To: JEFF JOHNSON                             Date: 10/15/93  2:44a
Subj: DONGLE                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jeff!

11 Oct 93, Jeff Johnson writes to Rick Ashworth:

 JJ> Rick, I do not have a printer plugged into mine and it works just fine..

Thanks for the correction.  I was only half listening when I got the story.
You are correct..

Rick

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 185
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 10/15/93  4:18p
Subj: MORE WITH PCUTIL                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Chris Wiesner wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

CW> PLANETC  DIR         0 10-13-93   8:16p
CW> PCU      BSY         0 10-13-93   8:09p

I know that if you don't delete that pcu.bsy, it will come back and say that it
is already running!


Dave

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 186
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 10/15/93  6:21p
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


John, here's your email message.
        I'm using Pcutil 1.06, works great and thanks for the effort 'donated'
to the hobby.

        You made reference to multi-tasking in your docs. Have you (or anyone
else) tried OS/2 for the Planect Connect software?

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 187
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/15/93 11:03a
Subj: FILE AREA TITLES....                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  * Origin: Dogs crawl under fences... Software crawls under Windows!
 > (1:170/610)

 TL> Hey Jim, your origin line is too long.  Should be 78
 TL> characters including the (1:170/610)  Just thought
 TL> I'd let you know before John Souvestre's GMD :)

 TL> See ya                                                      Todd

Actually his GMD said 79, and got here days before you message did -:)



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From: FRANK SCHEEL                           Number: 188
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/16/93 10:36a
Subj: Fast Lynx                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am in need of a program like lapink that will be able to transfer files from
a remote DOS machine to my OS2 machine. It needs to be able to run from the
command line as cannot multitask the DOS pc. I am currently using Fast Lynx
(old version) and it is causing problems with the Dos windows slowing on the
Os2 pc.

Is anyone using something that they might suggest I try?
Later,
         <_Frank_>

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 189
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/13/93 12:36p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Thursday October 07 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Ken Kavanagh:

Hello Boyd!

 >> well..why not do a mail toss at 5am or whenever..rename all those mail
 >> bundles to 7am.mo? and start sending at 7am like normal

 BG>    It is workable but how come nobody takes into account that WE have to
 BG> modem all this stuff up to the uplink. With the current software at the
 BG> uplink we could not do that as we have to shut the process down, add our
 BG> files to send, then start the process up. Once we have our uplink software
 BG> changed to add and transmit files onthe fly then we could do this.

because I didnt know that? ..I'm just tossing suggestions in for future
development.  :)

Cheers, Ken

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 190
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 10/13/93 12:38p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Thursday October 07 1993, Rick Ashworth writes to Ken Kavanagh:

Hello Rick!

 RA> Maybe.  In our net, the availability of the entire fb/bb at a cheap flat
 RA> rate has raised the amount of mail each node requests.  This has filled up
 RA> the 24 hour period that our net hub can deliver mail.  Because of the
 RA> increased busy signals, 2 other nodes in our net have plans to put in
 RA> their own.

our net has a 45 minute connect rule. you can get as much as you want but only
45 mins worth.  Hubs are volunteers and I dont think volunteers should be
completely screwed by having to feed the masses non stop.  Get more hubs, or
whatever, but to give free reign doesnt seem "fair" to the hub. (IMHO) :))

 RA> That, along with the extra "receiving node only services" that are
 RA> becoming available..

 RA> I think INITIALLY it will be a net hub solution, but those with larger
 RA> systems will tend to start picking up their own dish due to the
 RA> affordability..

that is a fact..and a good one as it will then take the load of of the hobby
volunteers.  Pretty much only the commertial pay boards want the WHOLE backbone
anyways..them or very large nets with so many bbs's that contirubute that
bringing the whole thing in is default.  Net 153 is like that currently which
is why the sat link seems like such a good plan for us.

Cheers, Ken

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 191
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 10/13/93 12:42p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Friday October 08 1993, Patty Pickett writes to Rob Nelson:

Hello Patty!

 PP>     I was thinking of running it on a semi-dedicated OS/2
 PP> machine with 16550 UARTS, Rob.  Semi-dedicated in that it would also be
 PP> doing periodic backups of the network drives.

I've got it running on a dedicated dos machine and currently there is no
support for the 16550 uarts I have.  I've forced them on and the program doesnt
take advantage of it.  As Boyd was say8ing, they may either go towards pcccmain
supporting the 16550, or go to fossil support. either way..that would allow
proper multitasking under the receiving software.  I've got lantastic linking
the sat machine with my os2 machine.  Once 16550 support is in, I'll be able to
run the sat machine in server mode.

Cheers, Ken

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 192
  To: KEN THIERFELDER                          Date: 10/14/93  2:27a
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* Crossposted in Z1_ELECTION
* Crossposted in PLANET_CONNECT

Monday October 11 1993, Ken Thierfelder writes to Ervin Jay:

 >> You don't think there is a method whereby Planet Connect can deny any
 >> particular file or mail bunldle to any particular Sat Downlink
 KT> Actually, I doubt that they would bother with that. They will
 >   [...]
 KT> Of course this does not negate their abilitiy to censor mail that is
 KT> coming BACK from the end nodes, but they can't censor it on it's way

Which leads to the next logical question....

How will Moderator requested link cuts be handled if the node is being fed via
a Planet Connect Site that is a private distribution system which is wholly
seperate from the *EC distribution system.

What is going to happen when a Moderator requests that the feed to any
particular node be cut?

What happens if/when Planet Connect requests a Satelite donwlink to cut the
feed for a particular Node, and the PC downlink site refuses, what then, has
Planet Connect any means of enforcing any link cuts.

Cheers, Ervin

... Magpie: A bird whose thievish disposition suggested to someone that it
    might be taught to talk.

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 193
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 10/17/93 11:49a
Subj: Problems                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  TL> I would also definitely invest in a 16550.  I also load a
 >                                          ^^^^^
 >      Really?  For the serial port on the PC where the dish data comes
 > in?  I thought the Planet Connect software was 16550 dumb.  Boyd?

It is, but using the knowledge of the line drivers, the regular 1488's and
1489's are going to be (in most cases) taxed by a 19200 data rate and will
choke with CRC errors.  The 1488 and 1489 line drivers made for use with the
16550 are much better at the higher data stream rates and will give you less
problems.

If you disagree tell me why :)

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 194
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 10/18/93 10:54a
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Ervin   Jay   wrote   in  a   message   to    Ken    Thierfelder:

EJ>  What  happens  if/when  Planet  Connect  requests  a   Satelite
EJ> donwlink to cut the feed for  a  particular  Node,  and  the  PC
EJ> downlink  site  refuses,  what  then,  has  Planet  Connect  any
EJ> means of enforcing any link cuts.

 They can  easily  drop  your  return  mail  in  the  bit  bucket.

 Before Planet Connect and (still now) if your link  is  cut  from
 a conference you can call another bbs that carries  it  and  read
 the  mail.   The  only  way  to  prevent  participation  in   any
 conference is to kill return mail.

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 195
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/18/93  5:49a
Subj: .ARC vs .ZIP                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd,

Noticed that the RADAR.ARC is a .ZIP file
the other two, SAT* WEATH*  .ARC files are also .ZIP files...

Why don't you send them with the correct EXTension???

I'm just renaming them at the moment...

Thanks,

Dave

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 196
  To: JEFF JOHNSON                             Date: 10/18/93  3:53p
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JJ> John, I go one step futher, I have 700=off in my .ini file..
JJ> so it never exits from the batch file. and have another
JJ> machine do a next3 every 3 hours..

More then one way to skin the cat I guess, With the right tools I have found
that a sysop can do anything ( well almost ) <grin>

Have Fun

    John....

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 197
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 10/18/93  3:54p
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TM> I'm using Pcutil 1.06, works great and thanks

Thanks for the message Tracy, Hope to have the next version out soon....

John.......

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 198
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 10/18/93  8:10p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > way..that would allow proper multitasking under the receiving software.
 > I've got lantastic linking the sat machine with my os2 machine.  Once
 > 16550 support is in, I'll be able to run the sat machine in server mode.

Really?  I never could get it to work on my server.  Locked tight as a drum as
soon as the screen popped up.  I havent' tried with the latest version of
Planet Connect software.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: HARRY MCDOW                            Number: 199
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/19/93  8:24a
Subj: Problems                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

Sunday October 17 1993 11:49, Todd Lyons wrote to Clay Tinsley:


 TL> It is, but using the knowledge of the line drivers, the regular 1488's and
 TL> 1489's are going to be (in most cases) taxed by a 19200 data rate and will
 TL> choke with CRC errors.  The 1488 and 1489 line drivers made for use with
 TL> the 16550 are much better at the higher data stream rates and will give
 TL> you less problems.

1488's and 1489's are just level converters with nano-second slew rates.  Data
upwards of 115Kbps will be just fine.

       - Harry

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 200
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/19/93  6:49p
Subj: echo list                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Are there any chances the echo list will get updated?   TVRO  and
 WHITEHOUSE are listed twice and  there  are  several  conferences
 coming in (PROBOARD is one of them) that are  not  in  the  list.

 Also... is there any possibility to  add a  feature  in  PTCCMAIN
 that will shell out on an error level other than 100  at  shorter
 intervals?  At the end of the transmission of mail  if  it  would
 exit and allow the option to run a batch file we  could  run  the
 show on a ram disk and then dump it to a  hard  disk  before  the
 disk space was used up.  At current  memory  prices  it  is  very
 expensive to set up a ram disk big enough  for  the  entire 2  hr
 sessions as currently sent.  "Give us the  option  to  clean  our
 ram disk about every 30 minutes ... the little  men  cried."  <g>


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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 201
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/19/93  4:20p
Subj: weather maps                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Hello Boyd,

To service the Canadian sites, would it be possible to include or add
Canada in the Satellite Weather Maps ?

Best Regards,
Hans
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From: KEVIN SILCOX                           Number: 202
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/19/93  5:20p
Subj: Link Check                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Since I havn't received any messages in here and I've been connected for a
few days I thought I'd see if I could get things activated by sending a message
out.  Silcox out.

        --=={ Kevin Silcox ------


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From: PHIL MILLER                            Number: 203
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/19/93 12:34p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Mon 18-Oct-1993 20:10 thus spake Todd Lyons unto Ken Kavanagh:

 TL> Really?  I never could get it to work on my server.  Locked tight as a
 TL> drum as soon as the screen popped up.  I havent' tried with the latest
 TL> version of Planet Connect software.

 I currently have 2 computers on a lan, with both in server mode, and PC
software runs fine on either one..

 * Clinton Cruise Lines - "We take America for a Ride!"

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 204
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 10/19/93  1:14p
Subj: .ARC vs .ZIP                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave--

 DJ> Noticed that the RADAR.ARC is a .ZIP file
 DJ> the other two, SAT* WEATH*  .ARC files are also .ZIP files...
 DJ> Why don't you send them with the correct EXTension???
 DJ> I'm just renaming them at the moment...

Boyd already said a few weeks ago that when SkyLink was begun, this is the way
the files were created, and they just never got around (or felt the need) to
change them.

I'ts NOT the extension - I'm sure it stands for "archive", don't you think? We
are all used to .zip, .arc, .arj, etc, and when we see an extension like that,
that's what we think it's format is.

They decompress just fine for me with PKUNZIP *.ARC. Why are you renaming them?
I'm curious about that one.....

Ken

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 205
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 10/20/93  2:29a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > of it.  As Boyd was say8ing, they may either go towards
 > pcccmain supporting the 16550, or go to fossil support.
 > either way..that would allow proper multitasking under the


    Hope either way will be soon, Ken, as it will bring some much
needed relief for some of us.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 206
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 10/20/93  2:31a
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > How will Moderator requested link cuts be handled if the
 > node is being fed via a Planet Connect Site that is a
 > private distribution system which is wholly seperate from
 > the *EC distribution system.


    Either the system feeding the node who's link is requested
cut, or PC simply tells Squish not to process messages in that echo area for
that PC site's node address, Ervin, or so it was explained to me by Boyd
during the convention.



                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 207
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 10/20/93  8:06a
Subj: .ARC vs .ZIP                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Noticed that the RADAR.ARC is a .ZIP file
 > the other two, SAT* WEATH*  .ARC files are also .ZIP files...
 > Why don't you send them with the correct EXTension???

He mentioned something once about the system he was running on not wanting to
overwrite an existing .ZIP file with the new .ZIP file but it worked fine
with .ARC.  If I'm wrong, I'm sure you'll see Boyd posting the correct info
and/or correcting me :)

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: FRANK GAUDE                            Number: 208
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/20/93  8:01p
Subj: Backbone entry                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi, all, and anyone!

Question: How does the FidoNet backbone messages get placed on the
satellite?

Obliged for your reply,

Frank

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From: DAVE SKINNER                           Number: 209
  To: ANYONE                                   Date: 10/18/93  9:15p
Subj: info please                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I've been reading this echo for three weeks now and I've yet to see any
information about how to get linked in to this new way to spend money.  Most of
my questions could be answered by a FAQ if I knew where to look.

Are the folks who claim that this software is not 16550 aware confused?  It
seems to me that anyone who could put the rest of the code together to make
this idea play could install 16550 code in a few minutes.  (If they really
dont, they should give me a call.  I write that type of thing all day long,
every day of the week.  And I've been doing it for 26 years.)

What is all this foolishness about a dongle.  I thought the world had left them
with 8bit atari's and c64's.  How long is it going to take a bright college kid
with a logic analyser to figure out how to bypass it?

Is there a file somewhere that I could freq that would explain to me the global
parameters of how all this is really supposed to work.  I get the idea that:
1) it is on more than one band (or satelite)
2) The data is xmitted several times per day
3) The link runs at 9600bps
4) The software is not network aware
5) It currently requires a dedicated machine

What happens if I have a lightning storm all night.  (I usually unplug all the
electronic stuff during one of them.)  Am I going to be able to pick up what I
missed?

Where do inbound messages go.

Who gets how much money if I link into this.  How often do they get it.

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 210
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 10/21/93  1:12p
Subj: Re: .ARC vs .ZIP                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Why don't you send them with the correct EXTension???


    We found that if it just happened to be sending lets say RADAR.ZIP at the
same time it was getting a new one coming over the network it would lock the
transmitting system up solid. The transmitting program renames them with the
extension .ARC before transmiting and if a new one comes over the network it
would be a different name and no more lock ups.

...boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 211
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 10/21/93  1:17p
Subj: Re: SATELLITE SCHEDULE                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd: Suggestion. Can you set up the C-band uplink for timed users and
> leave
> the K-band free-running? I think that most of the user's of K-Band will
> have
> dedicated systems simply because it is so new. Whereas the C-bander's
> probably
> already had the dish for watching the football/hockey games 24-hours a
> day.

    Well seeing how we would then have to pump the mail and files to 1)
Knoxville and 2) Chicago this would mean more computers at Chicago, a dedicated
line to Chicago, thus meaning more cost on our end that we would have to pass
onto you. So if you have KU you will be paying more than what the guys on the
C-band would be paying a month. We will not be doing this what so ever.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 212
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/21/93  1:20p
Subj: Re: echo list                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Are there any chances the echo list will get updated?   TVRO  and
> WHITEHOUSE are listed twice and  there  are  several  conferences
> coming in (PROBOARD is one of them) that are  not  in  the  list.

   Use the latest fidonet.na file.

> Also... is there any possibility to  add a  feature  in  PTCCMAIN
> that will shell out on an error level other than 100  at  shorter
> intervals?  At the end of the transmission of mail  if  it  would

   Not likely at this time. Matter of fact you have 99 errorlevels avaible to
you aready. We just dont see the need for any others at the time.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 213
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 10/21/93  1:23p
Subj: Re: Things in General...                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Howdy -- Finally got everything running 89% smoothly?

   You'll have it to 100% one of these days.

> Did you guys receive the FOSSIL.ZIP .c code I sent ya????

   Yes we did and thanks.

> I have put together some WIN Code, and Lan/DesqView code for you
> guys, and will be sending it to ya in the next couple of days - had a
> small problem with my tosser (died Monday)...

   Thanks, need all the help we can get.

> Is my mail getting back up stream to ya'll??

   No problems here yet.

> Just for your information I am now 1:18/201 ... but the local
> net has agreed to keep me listed as 1:362/201 for mail flow.

  Ok just let me know if you start calling with a different address.



....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 214
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 10/21/93  1:24p
Subj: Re: weather maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hello Boyd,

  Hello Hans,

> To service the Canadian sites, would it be possible to include or add
> Canada in the Satellite Weather Maps ?

   At the present time they only do continental U.S. We have not found a
Canadian systems that does the same thing as they do. Still looking though.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 215
  To: KEVIN SILCOX                             Date: 10/21/93  1:25p
Subj: Re: Link Check                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Since I havn't received any messages in here and I've been connected
> sending a message out.  Silcox out.

   Working here no problem...


...Boyd

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 216
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/21/93  5:29p
Subj: Planet_Connect                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd--

Everyone is starting to raise a ruckus in some of the other echos about so many
questions about Planet Connect. When is PLANET_CONNECT going to go on the
backbone? Seems to me it meets the requirements, since every node connected to
PC gets it. And I KNOW there has to be more than 3 regions with nodes using the
service!

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From: JIM OXFORD                             Number: 217
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/21/93 10:36p
Subj: Here at last!                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

   Well I finally made it, thought everything would never come together but
it did.  I would like to thank Boyd for getting me stright and tuned in
properly.

   This is really a test to see if it toss's out properly.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 218
  To: KEVIN SILCOX                             Date: 10/21/93 12:02p
Subj: Link Check                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Kevin Silcox wrote in a message to All:

KS>     Since I havn't  received  any  messages  in  here  and  I've
KS> been connected for a few days I  thought  I'd  see  if  I  could
KS> get things activated by sending a  message  out.    Silcox  out.

 You are at least half-activated.  Your messages  are  going  out.
 If you read this one they are also coming in. If you  don't  read
 this message there  is  no  use  in  giving  you  advice  as  you
 wouldn't get it anyhow.  <grin>

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From: MARK HOPKINS                           Number: 219
  To: CLAY TINSLEY                             Date: 09/18/93  4:52p
Subj: hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >      Hi there!  Net124 (Dallas) joins this echo.

Net 133 in Atlanta says hello also!
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From: MARK HOPKINS                           Number: 220
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 09/20/93  7:01p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    Ok now lets set it to a vote. I know there are a
 > lot of you out there that still use your dish for
 > viewing TV so if we go to 2 feeds per 24 hours, at
 > what time would it be best to refresh the flow. Now
 > remember that we have to send everything to the uplink
 > via modem so that takes time. Also if you miss
 > anything there will be less chance of picking it up
 > again since the retransmitting time would be cut in
 > half. What does everyone say?
 >
7am -7pm sounds fine to me, but what happens when that time frame gets
overloaded with these other networks coming online soon? (ROSENET, RIME, CRS,
MBBS, USENET) Will there be enough time to receive everything? Just curious
as I have a dedicated system, so it doesn't make much difference either way
to me. I am receiving everything just fine so far......

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 221
  To: NO ONE                                   Date: 10/23/93  6:20p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Why is this thing putting two origin lines on every message ?
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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 222
  To: NO ONE                                   Date: 10/23/93  6:24p
Subj: still sending 2 origin lines            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


still putting two origin lines on every message?



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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 223
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/24/93  3:04p
Subj: test                                    Refer: 221
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> Why is this thing putting two origin lines on every message ?
->  * Origin:  Center of the Cosmos  205-824-2611  (1:3625/441)

I thought you were just showing off now that you've got that dish
set up and all <g>...

tim
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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 224
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 10/24/93  2:42p
Subj: weather maps                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  HH> To service the Canadian sites, would it be possible to include or add
 >  HH> Canada in the Satellite Weather Maps ?

 > HEAR HEAR!!  I wanna see Vancouvers shitty weather coming!! :))

     Yes ......good point Ken....that Vancouver weather oozed over to Vancouver
Island yesterday and got all over my 48inch KU dish/system which ran for 15
hours to finally get a complete Saturday dump...! :-) Needless to say,  we
Islanders are not accustomed to so much rain. Many folks were out building
large wooden boats.  What a mess...!

Regards....Murray

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 225
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 10/25/93 10:18p
Subj: echo list                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Only frustrating problem yet to be resolved is the dupes issue.  Every
 > few hours it downloads the same files, which my level 100 batch file
 > keeps processing. I have to figure out how to prevent the duplicate
 > files from being re-processed every time. (DBRidge prevents dupes, but
 > its a lot of unnecessary work)  Any suggestions appreciated. I know
 > there has to be a solution...

That's what the PCUTIL CHECK4 line was for in the PCSKY.BAT file.

PCUTIL kills any dupe files that it receives.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 226
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 10/25/93 10:20p
Subj: Finally connected                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I do have a question though... (if this gets through).  I recieved
 > aprox. 100 routed echomail messages in todays batch of mail. It looks as
 > if they were to be routed to 396/1.  I have deleted the "bounced"
 > messages (bounced by Msgtrack) so my system doesn't send them back.  Has
 > anyone else seen this problem or did I have a quirk?

OOOOH yeah.  Those files were supposed to go to John's system and not us.

Boyd, if those files never made it to John Souvestre's system, I still have
the unpacked packets sitting in my inbound (my mail processor unpacked them
and renamed them *.SEC)

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 227
  To: RANDY SHERWYN                            Date: 10/25/93 10:23p
Subj: .ARC vs .ZIP                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  > Face it, most users are just plain stupid (lot of sysops
 >  > too :)
 >
 > Hey Todd, Not All of us Sisops are stoopid... :>) :>)

Watch it.  I resemble that remark! <g>

 > PS. Couldn't resist.... still dating your sister? :>)

I *HOPE* you realize that was a joke <grin>

Take it easy....                                                Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 228
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/25/93 10:31p
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > > informing us of changes? Just today alone,, about 15 bad tic's. Each
 > one> has to be renamed, the areas created and the files moved back into
 > my
 > > inbound directory. To me, this situation is not a good sign of
 > > professionalism on your part.

I didn't catch who this was FROM, but there is a fix for this.  If you run
RAID, then you will be able to do:

cd\im\raid
raid autocreate >>raid.log      ;adds new entries into TIC.CFG
raid announce >>raid.log        ;announces new files received
raid -rdk >>raid.log            ;actual reply mode (netmail Kill/Direct)
cd\tick
TICK >>tick.log                 ;need I explain it? :)

The autocreate function in raid is defineable as far as WHICH nodes you will
create areas for.  Simply define 1:3615/50 as one of the nodes that you will
create areas for.

 >     Well I have every filearea active in my config. John is going to
 > make a list of ones that are not active and I will send it over the
 > satellite. I am also going to take a look at ALLFIX and see if it has
 > anything better to offer that TICK does.

I *JUST* switched the other day and found that there was MUCH that was
different.  I found that Tick does not properly handle multizone files and
that was the *SOLE* reason that I switched.  I dearly loved the Raid/Tick
combo and even know that George Peace has just re-started development on the
Raid beta versions, but had to switch because of Tic's (or my own)
inadequacies.

Allfix will also import your TIC.CFG, but you must edit out the spaces in
front of the node numbers that Raid puts there to neaten it up.  Working good
here so far.  Also, if you're going to announce file areas, make sure to
enable it in ALL file areas <G>...fought that puppy for three days before I
figured it out.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 229
  To: PHIL MILLER                              Date: 10/25/93 10:33p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >
 >  PM>  I currently have 2 computers on a lan, with both in server mode, and
 >  PM> software runs fine on either one..
 >
 > really? if i put the pc machine in server mode and try to access its
 > drives from the other server, i get errors in the transmission.  Thats

Phil, are you running with or without Lancache?  Some other cache?  No cache?

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 230
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 10/16/93  1:15a
Subj: dongle                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >-> As I stated you do not need a printer hooked up at all. My main
 >-> system just has the dongle in it and it runs with no problems.

 > May not be entirely correct Boyd. I was building a new 386sx40 system
 > to use for the satellite and I had  to exchange my AT I/O card for
 > another one because the first one didn't like the dongle. I don't
 > recall the error message, but a printer worked in the port so it wasn't
 > defective.

 > Jeff O.
 >  Viking's Cove.

Mine seems flaky too.  Seems 1 out of 5 times it works?  I have no printer
connected and it tells me to turn on my printer?  Dumb.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 231
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 10/18/93  8:26p
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > John, here's your email message.
 >         I'm using Pcutil 1.06, works great and thanks for the effort
 > 'donated' to the hobby.

 >         You made reference to multi-tasking in your docs. Have you (or
 > anyone else) tried OS/2 for the Planect Connect software?

Yes, And I couldn't get it to work.  But Am am going to try again in the next
few days.  I also cannot get the INFO CYPHER to work either under OS/2.

Possible with the os2 2.1 vrs 2.1 beta it will work.

I have gotten it to work KINDA with Desqview. I still get errors once in a
while.  If you have no activity in the other windows under Desqview it does
seem to work. Simply doing a DIR make an error in Desqview.  This MIGHT be
because of the SCSI hardware?  I have a 16bit SCSI card with a 386 40mhz with
meg 4 and a 2 meg drive cache.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 232
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 10/19/93  8:40p
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > What is going to happen when a Moderator requests that the feed to any
 > particular node be cut?

 > What happens if/when Planet Connect requests a Satelite donwlink to cut
 > the feed for a particular Node, and the PC downlink site refuses, what
 > then, has Planet Connect any means of enforcing any link cuts.

 > Cheers, Ervin

This is easy... I'v already had a chat about this.  Boyd will refuse all return
messages from the site causing the trouble!  The feed will still be there but
the ablility to return ANY MAIL is lost. So I don't think there will be a
problem!  If so the site will lose!  Also The Moderator will probably have to
be A Little more patient then they have been in the past.

Also Planet Systems will have to be a little bit reasonable also.  Sometimes
Moderators are a problem! and protest for their actions need to be settled
possible by higher up in FIDO.  Might be something new here.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 233
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/23/93 11:34a
Subj: Printer Port.                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

My systm is screwing up with this printer port thing.  I have it on with no
printer and it keeps telling me to turn on my printer?  The errors continue
until I press a key on the keyboard????????  I can press the Control Key and it
will start working.  Sounds stupid, but that what is happening.  Got any ideas?
 If I can't get this to work consistant, I may need a replacement printer
thingy.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 234
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/26/93 10:34p
Subj: FAQ                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd--

Caught this message in the TVRO echo. Any chance of you guys doing this? Sure
would help a lot of folks!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Friday October 22 1993 10:46, John Hrusovszky wrote to Tim Hutzler:

 JH> Sure have, I think.  I've been following this area pretty close, and I
 JH> am sure they have all already been mentioned.  You might want to look
 JH> back through the past messages to find them, Tim.

 JH> Of course, maybe PC could come through with a FAQ sheet to post here.

I agree. Some sort of Frequently Asked Questions list needs to be made
concerning Planet Connect.  The network is devoting a lot of bandwidth to
answering basicly the same questions over and over.

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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 235
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/26/93  6:03p
Subj: large mail bundles...                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd:
   I would like to thank you for recent interventions in the out going stuff,
by reducing the size of a couple of the mail bundles.  Last Saturday the rains
really came down and if you had not split that 2.3 meg mail bundle, my 48" KU
system would never have copied that mail. As a matter of interest, does your
system retoss the mail or do a straight transfer from the Star...?

Regards......Murray

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 236
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/25/93  4:59a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  All you need to do now is  get a  comm  card  with a
 > 16550  uart buffer.  I got one the other day and then I set


    Got one, Terry, but thought that the PC software wasn't 16550
aware.  I'm so confused!


 >  push it to the limits so I started going to the windows
 > that  was doing the dir's and started them unzipping all the
 > docs from all the files to the screen: pkunzip * *.doc  /c
 > ....and after 2 windows were doing this and the other 3 were
 > reading the 650 meg directories I finally bogged it down
 > enough to start getting errors.



    Ahhh, sounds wonderful to me, Terry, and thanks much for the
information.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 237
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/25/93  5:00a
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  Humm... but they aren't using Squish... Boyd told me  when
 > I  was confused about configuring for the AKA.



    Perhaps not, but undoubtedly whatever tosser/scanner they're
using has the capability to do what Boyd was telling me.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 238
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/25/93  5:07a
Subj: Re: echo list                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  Many people in (various conferences) who are  connected
 > with  PC are trying to figure out how to reply to the  .QWK
 > packets.   Do you know if there is any utilities that can
 > convert them  into <=> from fidonet format so  they  can
 > be tossed?    Where can we call to reply to the messages
 > in these packets?


    I believe the QWK type networks require the use of PCRelay or
PostLink <tm> as well as a network address for their network (non-zone based
addressing).  There are utilities to allow for these types of things however,
for instance:

CNTMX100.ZIP - QWK/REP importer/exporter for Maximus.
FIDOQ111.ZIP - Convert *.MSG to *.QWK for use in PCRelay nethub
               type mail transfers.
MMIMP1.ZIP   - Conver QWK to REP for maildoors.

    If you or anyone else is interested, the files mentioned
above are available for Freq via 1:380/5 (H16,V32B,V42B) at any time except
NMH.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 239
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 10/26/93  7:32p
Subj: Planet connect and dbridg               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I noticed our messages came back through the bird from yesterday...  Is
 > that normal?

Well if you want the rest of us to get it, then yes it is normal <GRIN>

 > Was able to use the crc program to move only the newest files.  We
 > import it all to a local C: drive, then it gets moved with each
 > errorlevel 100 exit to the Novell lan drive.

must be nice to be able to afford Novell.

See ya                                                Todd

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 240
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/27/93  4:51p
Subj: moderating                              Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

Hey Boyd,

It was good talking to you today and I look forward to moderating
this echo.

I'll update the ELIST tonight & get that squared away.  I'll also
look into getting this echo placed on the backbone... As far as "rules"
go, I'll post um in a few days.

tim
PLANET_CONNECT moderator
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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 241
  To: JEFF WALLACH                             Date: 10/25/93  9:57p
Subj: Planet connect and dbridg               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Any nodes out there currently running Dbridge mailer and PCBoard... would be
-> very interested in discussing your specific configurations for Planet
-> Connect environment.

That's the exact configured we just put up over the weekend here. What we need
is a tosser compatible with 15.0!  IP isn't cutting it...  Seems to be working
alright, but I had to take the /51 out as an alias. I hope this won't cause a
problem? Only the replies are being exported, so it looks hopeful <G>

I noticed our messages came back through the bird from yesterday...  Is that
normal?

Was able to use the crc program to move only the newest files.  We import it
all to a local C: drive, then it gets moved with each errorlevel 100 exit to
the Novell lan drive.

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 242
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 10/25/93  9:36a
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >of changes? Just today alone,, about 15 bad tic's. Each one has to be
 >renamed, the areas created and the files moved back into my inbound
 >directory. To me, this situation is not a good sign of professionalism on
 >your part.

New areas are created automagically on most filebone systems. Raid
started the trend with the AutoCreate command line and NewAreaCreate
config file stuff. It's all painless and done while you sleep.

Lacking raid's autocreate, there's a file called FILEBONE.NA passed
through the BACKBONE file area. It lets you know what new file areas are
coming through the pipe. It might take a little manual intervention if
you're not running raid or equivalent but it's sure to take some of the
edge off.

FIDOSTAT.NA is the echomail backbone's notification file.

Both files should be checked regularly for the latest developments.

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 243
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/26/93  9:00p
Subj: Re: echo list                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks for the tips.  I was able to get the supplied crc program to work, which
does a terrific job.  As of right now, we have 100% of the signal approved and
operational!

mike

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 244
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/27/93  3:55p
Subj: Planet connect and dbridg               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> must be nice to be able to afford Novell.

It took 10 years of saving up! <G>  We used to use Lantastic for a few years,
and Network OS before that.

This satellite delivery system sure is FAST!  I'm getting responses only a day
later....

Mike

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 245
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 10/27/93  3:54p
Subj: Re: echo list                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->   I believe the QWK type networks require the use of PCRelay or
-> PostLink <tm> as well as a network address for their network (non-zone based
-> addressing).  There are utilities to allow for these types of things
-> however, for instance:

No No No <G>

QWK is the Quickmail standard developed for PCBoard by Mark "Sparky" Herring
many years ago using QuickBasic file structures. It's a very basic and
inneficient networking method using packets designed for "offline readers". It
has since been adapted to most platforms, for offline reader support. The QWK
standards are supposed to be updated on 11/1 to include several of the
advantages found in Postlink and Fidonet.  PCBoard networking programs such as
QNet(the original), RNet, Rosemail, CAMMail, CNet, and TNet are among those
that support this standard.

ROSEMAIL software is a slight improvement to QWK, and also downward compat.
This is an excellent product from Canada, which gives PCBoard sysops a package
which handles EVERYTHING with one configuration program. (offline reader
support AND qwk networking)

Postlink (formerly called PCRelay) is a much more advanced networking
technology developed by Kip Compton.  PL does things like encrypted mail,
routed mail, return receipts, file sends/requests, network broadcasts, dynamic
hub not requiring a front end, pre-extraction, bi-directional xfers,
satellite(one way) compatability, carbon copy sends, and Internet/Usenet ready
for future use.  Like Fido, it can support a variety of protocols and
compression methods.  Conference configuration is automatic, and upstream
selections are turned on an off by the software as needed.  The software
supports something innovative called a UTI (universal text interface). A UTI
allows *ANY* IBM BBS software to use the product, providing they have a small
program to do the actual conversions between their software and text format.
Because UTI's have memory overhead of their own, some folks have memory
troubles with Postlink and their UTI combined.  The author is at MIT right now,
and support could be better.  The technology is protected by copyright, so this
software is required.

Fido/echomail is an old and somewhat sloppy method, but it gets the job done.
Mail takes much longer with Fido than any of the above, and requires a "front
end" - but the advantage is compatability with more platforms and computer
types. Unlike Postlink, the Fidonet standards are not kept a copywritten
secret.  Security is also somewhat of a problem with Fido, unless things are
configured properly.  Some programs include Binkley, Dbridge, Front Door,
Intermail, Opus, etc.  It's somewhat complicated to set up, and in most cases
it request a kludge (a "tosser").

UUCP (UUCICO.EXE in our case) is a protocol primarily used for the Usenet
community. We use this for Usenet and Internet Mail w/Holonet.  Sloppy,
inefficient and unreliable.  Low CPS rates. Definately needs to be improved!

These are my opinions and observations of the above.  These are ONLY my
opinions, and I don't mean to endorse a specific product.  Have been using all
for several years.  We're hubbing about 15 networks (hosting New England Net)
and use all five of these technologies. Postlink is my favorite for ease of use
and least maintenance, with Fido and QWK tied for second. (QWK because theres
no work, systems call in as offline mail users - Fido because of the immediate
"NETMAIL" feature between operators).

Mike Labbe
ENC

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 246
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 10/27/93  9:51a
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Tim   Jacobs   wrote   in  a   message    to    Tracy    Mickley:

TJ> I have gotten it to  work  KINDA  with  Desqview.  I  still  get
TJ> errors once in a  while.    If  you  have  no  activity  in  the
TJ> other windows under  Desqview  it  does  seem  to  work.  Simply
TJ> doing  a  DIR  make  an  error  in  Desqview.    This  MIGHT  be
TJ> because of the SCSI hardware?  I have a  16bit  SCSI  card  with
TJ> a 386 40mhz with meg 4 and a 2 meg drive cache.

 I have had great success running PC under DV.  You  may  want  to
 set your tics to 1 and 1  and make a large  enough  ram  disk  to
 put command.com on it.

 If you boot from a floppy and the  go  about  your  business  you
 will be surprised at how often your  system  will  stop  to  read
 command.com from your floppy.  Since your  floppy  disk  is  much
 slower than your hd it will be most noticeable.   Even though  it
 is fast when reading your hd it will be many times faster  if  it
 is on your ram disk.  I have not  tested  it...  but  pc  may  be
 reading command.com after every file is transferred.  It  has  to
 save the incoming data that is collected in !!!ST!!!.!!!  to  the
 correct file name and delete the  !!!ST!!!.!!!  file.   Put  your
 ram disk first in your path statement and set your comspec  since
 you can't boot from your ram disk.

 path = f:\;bla bla bla
 copy command.com f:\
 set comspec=f:\command.com

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 247
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 10/27/93 10:03a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Patty   Pickett   wrote   in  a   message   to   Terry    Blount:

 >  All you need to do  now  is    get  a    comm    card    with  a
 > 16550  uart buffer.  I got one the  other  day  and  then  I  set


PP>     Got one, Terry, but thought  that  the  PC  software  wasn't
PP> 16550 aware.  I'm so confused!

 I think the 16550 uart chip is just a buffer.  If  you  set  up a
 buffer for a printer your system can use it  to  store  data  and
 then feed it your printer as your  printer  can  take  it.   This
 will free up your system.  The 16550 works  much  the  same  way.
 The satellite demodulator sends the data to the 16550 buffer  and
 your system works like a printer and takes it when it  is  ready.
 This means that if your system is busy with  something  else  the
 incoming data won't get backed up  and  lost  when  there  is  no
 place for it to go.

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From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                       Number: 248
  To: JOE OVERHOLT                             Date: 10/27/93 12:39p
Subj: press enter to continue                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Joe:

   You have a great product, and I knwo you need to make sure that you
receive payment for your service.  But.......

   It is NOT a good idea to cripple your system with a "press enter
to continue"  prompt just to make sure that people call you to ensure
that they will enter the right codes in your software.  I place your
PTCCMAIIN file in a batch file that runs when I am not around to watch
it.  Realize my dismay when I found out that my computer was just
sitting there waiting for me to press the *DAMN* enter key, just so you
would make sure that I would call.  My whole net missed mail because of
this ridiculous ploy for my money.

   There are other less obstructive ways to ensure compliance such as
placing a sentence on your opening PLANET CONNECT screen that would be
impossible to miss.

   People DON'T LIKE to miss their mail.  That's the whole reason why we
have come to use your service.  Yor service IS the way of the future,
and i envision most if not all of the major HUBS going to PLANET CONNECT
or services like them. Notice that I said SERVICES LIKE THEM.  People
like courteous vendors of service, and they WILL go to your competitors
if they know they will be treated more like responsibe adults. They
don't like to be served crippled software. I have every intention of
paying for your service, Joe. There is no need to make me attend to my
computer every day for 10 days until you poeple get around to answering
the phone long enough for you to tell me how to uncripple the software.

   I would hope that future versions will incorporate a less intrusive
prompt for payment.

   Rudolf Rothemund 1:2440/0
   NC/NEC MID-OHIO NET


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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 249
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 10/27/93  9:08p
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> What is going to happen when a Moderator requests that the feed to any
 >> particular node be cut?

 > This is easy... I'v already had a chat about this.  Boyd will
 > refuse all return messages from the site causing the trouble!

It seems irregular that Planet Systems would have to get into any moderating
process.  In my opinion, Planet Connect is a carrier of data.  If a Moderator
wants someone cut from a feed then that moderator should contact the downlink's
NC for rectification of the problem.  The downlink gets his node number from
the NC of his net and the Moderator (if he has a problem with a downlink)
should be talking to the Fidonet authorities and not a Carrier Company.  The
analogy here is, of course, if a moderator has a problem with someone using
landline does he call The Telephone Company to cut off the feed...?
 Nope...!

 > actions need to be settled possible by higher up in FIDO.  Might
 > be something new here.

Maybe I am missing something here but I would like to think that Boyd and
Company would refuse to get into ANY fidonet policy discussion and adopt a
purely business attitude without getting hung up with the BS.
Regards....Murray

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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 250
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/27/93 10:35p
Subj: I spoke too soon..                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd:
    I spoke too soon yesterday I guess...! :-)  In today's dump there were two
huge fidomail bundles.  One was 1.6 and the other was 1.7 megs in size.  They
were the only files I could not download due to them have ing one or two errors
as they were being downloaded.  The weather was overcast and foggy today and
there is no doubt that was the reason for the errors.  What is the answer to
this problem.....because there is no doubt there will always be some pretty
large files and there will always be lots of overcast and rain.  I am using a
48" ku system which was professionally installed and on clear or reasonably
clear days, I have no errors at all.   I have a clear shot at the bird with no
trees, buildings or wires around. Looking forward to your response.

Regards....Murray

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 251
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/27/93 11:28p
Subj: Finally connected                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

25 Oct 93, Terry Blount writes to Dennis Powers:

 TB> Dennis Powers wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

 DP>> I do have a question though... (if this gets through).  I
 DP>> recieved aprox. 100 routed echomail messages in todays batch
 DP>> of mail. It looks as if they were to be routed to 396/1.  I

 DP>> problem or did I have a quirk?

 TB> Yes.  It happened here too.  Probably everyone got them.

Thanks.  It was Day 2 of the new setup and I wanded to be sure that I didn't
have a flaky toss <G>.  although I move a fair amount of echo traffic for a BBS
this was the first time I had this much mail in a single session.

It would probably be a good idea if 3615/50 ran MSGTRACK to prevent routed echo
mail from being sent out via satellite.  Talk about big time dupes and phone
bills [smile].

-><-Dennis

Dennis

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 252
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/27/93 10:37p
Subj: Re: NEW FILE AREAS                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > send it over the satellite. I am also going to take a look
 > at ALLFIX and see if it has anything better to offer that
 > TICK does.



    I think you'll find it to your liking, Boyd, as it makes it
much easier to make global changes, auto-add areas coming in to your system,
etc.  I've used it here for around 6 months or so and liked it so much that I
registered it within a month or so.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 253
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 10/28/93  1:06a
Subj: Printer Port.                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > My systm is screwing up with this printer port thing.  I have it on with
 > no printer and it keeps telling me to turn on my printer?  The errors
 > continue until I press a key on the keyboard????????  I can press the
 > Control Key and it will start working.  Sounds stupid, but that what is
 > happening.  Got any ideas?  If I can't get this to work consistant, I
 > may need a replacement printer thingy.

Get a copy of a program (or something similar to it) called STACKEY.  This is
You can make it jam a [CR] into the keyboard buffer after some predetermined
amount of time and it will get past the error message.

I can shoot it to you if you want (it's not available for download because I
don't have the original archive)

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 254
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 10/28/93  7:49p
Subj: press enter to continue                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rudolf Rothemund wrote in a message to Joe Overholt:

RR> Realize my dismay when I found out that my computer was just
RR> sitting there waiting for me to press the *DAMN* enter key,
RR> just so you would make sure that I would call.  My whole net
RR> missed mail because of this ridiculous ploy for my money.

Actually they missed mail because you did not read the message that was sent to
you about 2 weeks ago:

     October 15, 1993

     Dear Planet Connect Subscriber;
...
     This mail out requires five items of information to start
     your subscription to the Planet Connect satellite data
     service.

     1. Your signature on the Planet Connect agreement form.
     2. Determine whether you will refeed to other BBSes.
     3. Select the term of the contract. ( 1 month, 3
        month, or 1 year)
     4. Indicate your method of payment.
     5. Indicate your start date for the service.

     After you've mailed in your signed agreement, wait a fews
     days for it to be processed by us before calling to receive
     your new authorization code.  We will give you a special
     number that you type into the computer which runs the Plant
     Connect software. This number sets the time period your
     software will operate by recording it in the parallel port
     plug that we sent you a few weeks ago. When you call, make
     sure you are at a computer that has the plug installed. If
     you fax your form in to speed up the process, please mail
     in your form as well to give us an original.

                          ============

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 255
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 10/28/93  7:56p
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Murray   Pletsch   wrote   in  a   message   to    Tim    Jacobs:

 >> What is going to happen when a Moderator requests that the feed to any
 >> particular node be cut?

 > This is easy... I'v already had a chat about  this.    Boyd  will
 > refuse all return messages from the  site  causing  the  trouble!

MP> It seems  irregular  that  Planet  Systems  would  have  to  get
MP> into any moderating process.   In  my  opinion,  Planet  Connect
MP> is a carrier of data.

 They are also your hub.  If your feed is going  to  be  cut  then
 3615/50 is the one who will have to cut it.

MP> If a Moderator wants someone cut from
MP> a feed then that moderator  should  contact  the  downlink's  NC
MP>  for  rectification  of  the  problem.  The  downlink  gets  his
MP> node number from the NC of his net  and  the  Moderator  (if  he
MP> has a  problem  with  a  downlink)  should  be  talking  to  the
MP> Fidonet authorities and not a  Carrier  Company.    The  analogy
MP>  here  is,  of  course,  if  a  moderator  has  a  problem  with
MP> someone using landline does he call  The  Telephone  Company  to
MP> cut off the feed...?

MP> Maybe I am missing something here but  I  would  like  to  think
MP> that Boyd and Company would  refuse  to  get  into  ANY  fidonet
MP>  policy  discussion  and  adopt  a  purely  business    attitude
MP> without getting hung up with the BS.

 As  long  as  they  are  the  feed  they  will  have   the   same
 responsibility as any other hub.   The  people  in  Chicago  that
 Planet Connect transfers the data to  for  the  satellite  uplink
 are actually the ones in the position of the  phone  company.   I
 know they aren't going  to  cut a  feed  because  it  is  already
 falling on the roof of every house in  the  northern  hemisphere.
 They could care less who picks it up and what they  do  with  it.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 256
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/28/93  8:05p
Subj: Printer Port.                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Tim Jacobs:

TL> Get a copy of a program (or something similar to it) called
TL> STACKEY.  This is You can make it jam a [CR] into the
TL> keyboard buffer after some predetermined amount of time and
TL> it will get past the error message.

I'm willing to bet that it won't.  When Ptccmain runs it will not allow those
keyboard stuffer programs to work.

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 257
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 10/26/93  7:16p
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >CW> Boyd, I don't know if I'm the only one, but I'm having a hell of a time
 >CW> keeping up with all the new areas that come through.
 >
 > You need to run something like Raid which will autocreate the areas
 > for you.  Has nothing to do with "professionalism" on their part as

That's what we do here and it works great.

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 258
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 10/26/93  7:20p
Subj: SATELLITE SCHEDULE                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > really? if i put the pc machine in server mode and try to access its
 > drives from the other server, i get errors in the transmission.
 > Thats where i figered proper 16550 support would clean things
 > up..are you not experiencing this?

That's my experience here, too, Ken. One (admittedly poor) workaround is to
wait until the status line shows a file coming in that you don't care about,
then shell to DOS, run 16550.EXE to enable the FIFO buffer, then EXIT back to
tback to PC software. Make SURE that you turn off the FIFO buffer before
restarting PTCCMAIN.EXE! Meanwhile, while it's still in that cycle, you have
the benefit of the 16550.

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 259
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 10/26/93  7:23p
Subj: RE: ECHO LIST                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Only frustrating problem yet to be resolved is the dupes issue.
 > Every few hours it downloads the same files, which my level 100
 > batch file keeps processing. I have to figure out how to prevent the

You didn't get the PCUtil program that tracks duplicate files for you? That was
included in my PC package.....

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 260
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/26/93  8:12p
Subj: WEATHER STUFF                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,
 It is my understanding that the weather stuff is for MY use only, that I
cannot pass it to my downlinks nor post it on my board. THW my downlinks, but
I'd sure like to make it available for download by my callers. :-) Didn't you
guys mention at the 'Con that the weather stuff could be licensed for posting
on the BBS? Is that the case? If so, how much $$$? (I AM willing to pay a
nominal fee if I have to)

Thanks!!                            <<Jim>>

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 261
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/26/93  8:21p
Subj: PC SOFTWARE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,
 We've discussed this on the phone, but I'd like to make it official:

The PC software is coming along, but needs some new features:

1. Support for the 16550. Absent that, at least have it not barf if the FIFO
buffer is already enabled when it loads, as I can start it up with 16550.EXE
myself.

2. Enable the "Status Line" at the bottom of the screen as the default instead
of just displaying your Planet Systems logo. Said logo tells me NOTHING about
what's going on. Might even be nice to display a whole screen of "recent
history" instead of just the LAST file received.

3. When the dongle is close to expiration, display it all over the screen, beep
the speaker, or whatever, but don't keep it from running! That irritates the
hell outa me to see that message "press Enter to continue" and have it just SIT
there.

The PC Utility works great, thank you. The service itself is wonderful; my
phone company will be calling to find out if I still love them. <<big, wide,
grin>>

Is there a reason that all the filebone echos aren't distributed by you? I know
of one "owner/moderator/whatever" who said that "his" stuff wasn't available
via your service, but he's not yet indicated a reason. Would it do any good to
lobby those folks from this end?

Keep up the good work!!!

                                  <<Jim>>

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 262
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/27/93  2:05p
Subj: echo list                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Mike Labbe:

TL> That's what the PCUTIL CHECK4 line was for in the PCSKY.BAT
TL> file.

TL> PCUTIL kills any dupe files that it receives.

On my system when PCUTIL CHECK4 runs it correctly deletes repeat files, copies
the remaining files to the holding directory, and then adds the file names that
were moved to the CHECK.IDX file. What it does not do is remove filenames from
the check.idx file according to the number of days gone by. It also does not
exit correctly. I get a file not found error and a message from the runtime
package and my system hangs waiting for a keypress without reentering the PCSKY
batch file. Anyone have this problem? I'm a bit frustrated and guess I'm going
to have to write a utility to take care of the operation as there is a problem
with PCUTIL here. Perhaps it is a hard-coded filename somewhere near the end of
the processing? Author?

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 263
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 10/28/93  8:41a
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  >  Humm... but they aren't using Squish... Boyd told me  when
 >  > I  was confused about configuring for the AKA.
 >
 >     Perhaps not, but undoubtedly whatever tosser/scanner they're
 > using has the capability to do what Boyd was telling me.

You're talking about the mail processor that Boyd is using?  Mine reports mail
bundles from Qmail.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 264
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 10/28/93  8:43a
Subj: echo list                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     I believe the QWK type networks require the use of PCRelay or
 > PostLink <tm> as well as a network address for their network (non-zone
 > based addressing).  There are utilities to allow for these types of
 > things however, for instance:
 > CNTMX100.ZIP - QWK/REP importer/exporter for Maximus.
 > FIDOQ111.ZIP - Convert *.MSG to *.QWK for use in PCRelay nethub
 >                type mail transfers.
 > MMIMP1.ZIP   - Conver QWK to REP for maildoors.
 >     If you or anyone else is interested, the files mentioned
 > above are available for Freq via 1:380/5 (H16,V32B,V42B) at any time
 > except NMH.

Patty, check your inbound.  I attached a file to you that does *.msg, squish,
ezycom, Hudson, and Jam message bases for any QWK network.  Tell me if it's
similar to, better, or worse than the ones you've listed above.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 265
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/27/93  4:51p
Subj: moderating                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hey Boyd,

It was good talking to you today and I look forward to moderating
this echo.

I'll update the ELIST tonight & get that squared away.  I'll also
look into getting this echo placed on the backbone... As far as "rules"
go, I'll post um in a few days.

tim
PLANET_CONNECT moderator


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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 266
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 10/27/93 11:50p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Terry Blount, Patty Pickett said:

PP>    Got one, Terry, but thought that the PC software wasn't
PP>16550
PP>aware.  I'm so confused!

Patty, we've been having good luck running the PC software under DV on a
386-40 with 16550's on the com ports.  What we do is load X00 before running
DV (this lets X00 capture IRQ14 and turn the 16550's buffer on), the Planet
Connect software seems to be dumb enough that it doesn't know X00 is handling
IRQ14.  I may be completely wrong as to why it works, but it does work!  And
incoming/outgoing calls thru the modem, nor tossing mail arriving thru the
modem cause errors on PC.

Mickey

PS...Foxy says HI!

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 267
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 10/28/93  9:42p
Subj: press enter to continue                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    You have a great product, and I knwo you need to make sure that you
 > receive payment for your service.  But.......

You answered your own question.  If you were trying to make money from
a service wouldn't that seem a little ludicrous to allow free access to it?

 >    It is NOT a good idea to cripple your system with a "press enter
 > to continue"  prompt just to make sure that people call you to ensure
 > that they will enter the right codes in your software.  I place your

I guess you realize that this is VERY VERY easy to overcome.

 > sitting there waiting for me to press the *DAMN* enter key, just so you
 > would make sure that I would call.  My whole net missed mail because of
 > this ridiculous ploy for my money.

You let it sit there for more than 24 hours?  That's how long you'd have to
let it sit to "miss mail"

See ya                                                             todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 268
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 10/28/93  9:45p
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > It seems irregular that Planet Systems would have to get into any
 > moderating process.  In my opinion, Planet Connect is a carrier of data.
 >  If a Moderator wants someone cut from a feed then that moderator should
 > contact the downlink's NC for rectification of the problem.  The

And if the NC doesn't respond or is not effective...

 > downlink gets his node number from the NC of his net and the Moderator
 > (if he has a problem with a downlink) should be talking to the Fidonet
 > authorities and not a Carrier Company.  The analogy here is, of course,
 > if a moderator has a problem with someone using landline does he call
 > The Telephone Company to cut off the feed...?

The Planet Connect can be considered a HUB.  You do things in the chain of
command.  If you get no response from the NC, you go to his feed and get the
link cut.

No analogy as a Carrier can replace that IMHO.

See ya                                                todd

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From: WALT LANE                              Number: 269
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/28/93 10:36p
Subj: QWK<-->PKT                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry,

I noticed you were inquiring about a QWK to PKT conversion utility. I am
running RA Pro 2.01 beta and am working with Andrew Milner on the new JAM
message base.  Using Fastecho, I can have it automatically update my RACONFIG
as it tosses the mail into the system.  However Fastecho requires PKT message
formats only.  I have been looking for the same type of utility.  Here is what
I have found:

A utility called P-VERT (believe it or not on the name) comes with the source
code in C lang.  It seemed to work up to the very last message base but them
locked up.  I'm checking out the source code now.  Please let me know if you
have discovered anything which is helpful or may do the job better.

Thanks!

Walt Lane
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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 270
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/30/93  8:05a
Subj: Planet Connect Q&A                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hey Folks,

Mark Hopkins & I are currently working a huge Q&A file which will
answer most of the questions we've heard relating to Planet Connect...
Once the file is completed, I'll post a notice here and make it freqable
and/or send it up with the regular mail.  The purpose of this file will
be to educate the masses about this Planet Connect thing.

PLANET_CONNECT will be included in the November ELIST, so that's
now squared away.... I'm still working on getting it backboned.  This
may be difficult as Planet Connect is seen as a threat by some
moderators, stars, and *ECs - but I'll try.

There are several echos which are being flooded with discussion about
Planet Connect (MODERATOR, TVRO, FN_SYSOP, et. al.)... I'll be posting
messages in these echos and, hopefully, diverting that mail over here.

As far as conference "rules" go, let me say this right off the bat:  I
don't like rules or arbitrarily imposed control of *any kind*.  If any
of yall read the CDROM_SALE echo, you know my philosophy and know that
it works - at least most of the time ;). I'll also assume that since
the participants of this echo are fluent in normal FidoNet
policy/procedures, that there will be little need for the normal heavy
handedness that some moderators impose on an echo.

ANYHOW, here's the rules:

1.  All conversations must relate to Planet Connect and must benefit
    everyone.

2.  All "normal" FidoNet etiquette applies.

    A.   No flaming.
    B.   No "one on one" messages.
    C.   No cussing.
    D.   No "excessively annoying" messages.
    E.   Etc.

That's about it.... If anyone ever needs to contact me I can be reached
at the numbers below.

tim
PLANET_CONNECT moderator

Voice: [phone]
FAX  : [phone]
FIDO :      1:133/515
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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 271
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/28/93  1:55a
Subj: Planet connect and dbridg               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > must be nice to be able to afford Novell.



    It is.  <g>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 272
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 10/29/93  4:35p
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> @MSGID: 1:170/610.0 2cca4dae
 >>CW> Boyd, I don't know if I'm the only one, but I'm having a hell of a time
 >>CW> keeping up with all the new areas that come through.
 >>
 >> You need to run something like Raid which will autocreate the areas
 >> for you.  Has nothing to do with "professionalism" on their part as

 > That's what we do here and it works great.

Now if we could just get RAID to autoFORWARD requests for new areas...

                            --==jb==--

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From: BARRY CASSETTY                         Number: 273
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 10/28/93  8:21a
Subj: Link Check                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I want it......this is a test message

 >       On Tuesday October 19 1993, Kevin Silcox writes
 > to All:

 > Hello Kevin!

 >  KS>     Since I havn't received any messages in here and I've been
 > connected
 >  KS> for a few days I thought I'd see if I could get things activated by
 >  KS> sending a message out.  Silcox out.

 > Gotcha loud and clear!

 > Cheers, Ken

 > ...And today will go down in history as Thursday
 > October 21 1993

 > --- GoldED 2.41
 >  * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ -
 > 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070)

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 274
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 10/29/93  7:28p
Subj: pcutil                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DW> Perhaps it is a hard-coded filename somewhere near the end
DW> of the processing? Author?

PCutil 1.06 uses a cheap trick at the end of the process, it calls DOS's SORT
in a shell to do a quick and dirty sort of the index file, as a matter of fact
it uses 11 dos calls in the program to do a lot of work (keep in mind this was
writen in 2 days to get around the problem of dups in the beta tests) so make
sure you have the dos directory in the path on the computer you run PCU on and
make sure you have SORT available to PCU.
I am in the process of rewriting PCU as we speak and it should be available
soon.....

John.....

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From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                       Number: 275
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/30/93  2:23a
Subj: press enter to continue                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Rudolf Rothemund wrote in a message to Joe Overholt:
->
-> RR> Realize my dismay when I found out that my computer was just
-> RR> sitting there waiting for me to press the *DAMN* enter key,
-> RR> just so you would make sure that I would call.  My whole net
-> RR> missed mail because of this ridiculous ploy for my money.
->
-> Actually they missed mail because you did not read the message that w
-> you about 2 weeks ago:
->
->      October 15, 1993
->
->      Dear Planet Connect Subscriber;
-> ...
->      This mail out requires five items of information to start
->      your subscription to the Planet Connect satellite data
->      service.
->
->      1. Your signature on the Planet Connect agreement form.
->      2. Determine whether you will refeed to other BBSes.
->      3. Select the term of the contract. ( 1 month, 3
->         month, or 1 year)
->      4. Indicate your method of payment.
->      5. Indicate your start date for the service.
->
->      After you've mailed in your signed agreement, wait a fews
->      days for it to be processed by us before calling to receive
->      your new authorization code.  We will give you a special
->      number that you type into the computer which runs the Plant
->      Connect software. This number sets the time period your
->      software will operate by recording it in the parallel port
->      plug that we sent you a few weeks ago. When you call, make
->      sure you are at a computer that has the plug installed. If
->      you fax your form in to speed up the process, please mail
->      in your form as well to give us an original.
->
->                           ============
->
-> --- timEd-A10c
->  * Origin: Center  of  the  Cosmos   205-824-2611 (1:3625/441)

   So........ WHERE does this say that the software is crippled???????
I was under the impression that we had until the end of the month to pay
up.  I sent my bucks in about 6 days before the end ofthe month and the
software started crapping out before then.

   I can understand having the software crippled so that it doesn't work
AFTER the first month and AFTER the period of time that I am paid up
for.  But having to push the ENTER button to get mail BEFORE that time
is up just isn't right.  Sure,it'll get me to call in, all rigght.  But
I won't be in a good mood, in fact I'll be pissed.

   And yes, Terry, I DO read the Planet Connect mail.  I sent the bucks
in, and the software crippled my operation while the provervial check
was in the mail.  And I DON;T have access to a fax, so I couldn't "speed
up the process".

   Rudy


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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 276
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 10/29/93  7:04p
Subj: SATELLITE SCHEDULE                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > That's my experience here, too, Ken. One (admittedly poor) workaround is
 > to wait until the status line shows a file coming in that you don't care
 > about, then shell to DOS, run 16550.EXE to enable the FIFO buffer, then
 > EXIT back to tback to PC software. Make SURE that you turn off the FIFO
 > buffer before restarting PTCCMAIN.EXE! Meanwhile, while it's still in
 > that cycle, you have the benefit of the 16550.

Do you (or any crack programmers in here) think that calling bnu in this
manner would help:
BNU /l1=19200
BNU /i1=+

The /i does this:
/I=n+|-     ∙ Initialise(+)/deinitialise(-) FOSSIL on port <n>

That would put BNU in "hot" mode.  Do you think some of the benefits could be
reaped from this configuration?

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 277
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 10/29/93  7:09p
Subj: PC SOFTWARE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > 2. Enable the "Status Line" at the bottom of the screen as the default
 > instead of just displaying your Planet Systems logo. Said logo tells me
 > NOTHING about what's going on. Might even be nice to display a whole
 > screen of "recent history" instead of just the LAST file received.

Get a program that will stuff the keyboard buffer with two carriage returns
and it will work.  I use this:

STACKEY w200 CR CR

and it hits enter twice after about 3-4 seconds putting the status line down
there for me.

 > Is there a reason that all the filebone echos aren't distributed by you?
 > I know of one "owner/moderator/whatever" who said that "his" stuff
 > wasn't available via your service, but he's not yet indicated a reason.
 > Would it do any good to lobby those folks from this end?

Aww the PDN people are being real *^#%$^% about the satellite distribution
system.  They can't see that this is opening doors for people that didn't feel
like forking out $200 or more a month to pull in gobs of file echos and
message echos.  I don't know WHAT aspect of this they are looking at.

Take care...                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 278
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 10/29/93  7:13p
Subj: echo list                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > On my system when PCUTIL CHECK4 runs it correctly deletes repeat files,
 > copies the remaining files to the holding directory, and then adds the
 > file names that were moved to the CHECK.IDX file. What it does not do is
 > remove filenames from the check.idx file according to the number of days
 > gone by. It also does not exit correctly. I get a file not found error
 > and a message from the runtime package and my system hangs waiting for a

Check your A_PCU.CFG file.  This is what mine looks like and these are the
only uncommented lines that I have:

        SATELLITE_IN=c:\bridge\files
;        HOLD_DIR=c:\im\files\
        TOSS_DIR=c:\im\files
        LOG_DIR=c:\planetc\
        INDEX_DIR=c:\PLANETC\
        UPLD_FILE=C:\SKYDATA\SKYINFO\UPLD.LST

Notice that the HOLD_DIR is commented out.  I have it move the files directly
to my toss subdir.  You may or may not want to do that.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 279
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/29/93  7:16p
Subj: Printer Port.                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Tim Jacobs:
 >
 > TL> Get a copy of a program (or something similar to it) called
 > TL> STACKEY.  This is You can make it jam a [CR] into the
 >
 > I'm willing to bet that it won't.  When Ptccmain runs it will not allow
 > those keyboard stuffer programs to work.

Don't tell that to my machine then <grin>  It's only been working for 4 days
now.  I get it to press Enter once to get past that first annoying message
(I'll be getting my code tomorrow, so I'll be legal for three months) and then
after about 2 seconds, press Enter twice more to get the status line to
display on the bottom.

Like I said, don't tell my machine that it won't work. :)

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 280
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/29/93 10:21p
Subj: QWK program                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I've had a few messages concerning the post that I did to Patty about the QWK
processing program.  Here's a cap from the doc file:

                        MKNet - QWK Network Interface
                      Copyright by 1991, 1993 by Mark May


                                 INTRODUCTION

       This set of programs allows MK, RA1.1x, RA2.0, QuickBbs,
       and SuperBbs to work with networks that are based on the QWK
       format.  It may also be manually configured to support other
       BBS types that use Hudson, Squish, *.Msg, JAM, or Ezycom format
       message bases. This is the "Node" program to support such a
       network (similar in function to programs like RNet, QNet, or
       TNet). To be a hub in a QWK based network you would also
       need a QWK mail door that support net-status, such as MKQwk.

If you think this is what you need, you can freq me for:

MKNET111.ARJ    221993 10/13/93 06:10

at 1:3807/401 or 402.  Both are 14.4 v.32bis.  Points welcome.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 281
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 10/29/93  1:30p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Murray,

                Please send me a quick routed netmail quoting this
                message if you would? I need to verify that things are
                working as they should.


                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 282
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 10/28/93 11:34a
Subj: Product Lock problems                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd,

To my surprise I found my system locked with the following
message:

        This Product Lock will expire after 10 more Day(s)
        Please call P.S.I. [phone]
        Press enter to Cont.

Does this mean that monthly subscribers have to monitor their systems
for the last 10 days and press enter every time their systems bring up
the satellite software ? Or do they loose 10 days out of each month if
they want to get rid of this message.

I'm running a fully automated system, and wouldn't mind a message AFTER
expiration, but I can't babysit my system for 24 Hrs and manually press
ENTER for the last 10 days whenever the satellite software is activated.

Second, why does the TV software require this printer Product Lock ?
Do all the users have to buy on of those interfaces ?

BTW:

I wrote some TSR software that now automatically takes care of this.

Best Regards,
Hans
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From: MARK STENNETT                          Number: 283
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 10/29/93  8:36p
Subj: FINALLY CONNECTED                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > DP> of mail. It looks as if they were to be routed to 396/1.  I

CW> Yup, arrived here too, and were forwarded by my system. My
CW> NC probably trashed them as host-roouted echomail. It
CW> happens.


A large number of them were slapped down as they flew over here...



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From: THOMAS HATTON                          Number: 284
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 10/31/93  1:17a
Subj: Product Lock problems                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 HH> Hello Boyd,

 HH> To my surprise I found my system locked with the following
 HH> message:

 HH>         This Product Lock will expire after 10 more Day(s)
 HH>         Please call P.S.I. [phone]
 HH>         Press enter to Cont.

 HH> Does this mean that monthly subscribers have to monitor their systems
 HH> for the last 10 days and press enter every time their systems bring up
 HH> the satellite software ? Or do they loose 10 days out of each month if

Just a thought. Author: Why don't you just have the PC send a netmail message
to the sysop of 3615/51 informing him the program is about to expire? Something
my co-sysop thought of.

Thomas

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 285
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 10/29/93  4:42p
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Murray Pletsch wrote in a message to Tim Jacobs:

I know I'm a newbie re:posting here, but I've been around for a bit ..

MP> It seems irregular that Planet Systems would have to get
MP> into any moderating process.  In my opinion, Planet Connect
MP> is a carrier of data.  If a Moderator wants someone cut from
MP> a feed then that moderator should contact the downlink's NC
MP> for rectification of the problem.  The downlink gets his
MP> node number from the NC of his net and the Moderator (if he
MP> has a problem with a downlink) should be talking to the

What does getting a node number have to do with _ANYTHING_?  Moderators can
NOT kick a person out of Fidonet.

PC is not only the carrier, but ALSO the HUB.  When a moderator deems
neccesary to disconnect a node, they contact the HUB or NET ECHO COORDINATOR,
whoever is responsible for getting the mail to that person.  _They_ have the
power to say who's in or out of the echos.

I'm not offering a solution, just pointing out some facts ..

MP> Maybe I am missing something here but I would like to think
MP> that Boyd and Company would refuse to get into ANY fidonet
MP> policy discussion and adopt a purely business attitude
MP> without getting hung up with the BS.  Regards....Murray

Actually, a possible solution - at the fido feed level, depending on the
message base tosser, you can tell it to ignore messages from specified
addresses, limiting further distribution of the message.

... Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up.
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From: JERRY SCROGGIN                         Number: 286
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/29/93  2:23p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

seed message to open conference
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From: MIKE MCKEE                             Number: 287
  To: ALL                                      Date: 10/30/93 11:33a
Subj: transmission errors                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


I wanted to put in my two cents worth to all of you that are complaining about
getting errors on files, especially on Ku.

There is just simply NO reason for it. I run a dedicated 2 1/2 foot KU system,
and the ONLY error I ever got was on the last version of software before the
sent over the ptc1009 or whatever the name was. Since then there have been no
errors whatsoever.

If you are getting errors, short and sweet its from improper dish alignment.

I'm sitting at the time of this writing in a early snow storm, with snow
setting in and around the dish with no problems.

I have also monitored during heavy fog, heavy rain, and never had a problem.

Theres no big secret to aiming that dish, but it must be done properly.

I personally can't speak for the c-band system, so I won't make any judgements
on it, but I personally can find no fault with the Ku system.


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From: SHANNON CRUEY                          Number: 288
  To: AARON CRUEY                              Date: 11/01/93  3:22p
Subj: That Guy in Australia                   Refer: NONE
Read: 01/07/94 11:43a                       Private: No

I was just wondering if you've been able to get in touch with that
huy in Australia using the sat link you were screwing around with
last time we talked?????


Later....
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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 289
  To: THOMAS HATTON                            Date: 10/31/93  5:06p
Subj: Product Lock problems                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Just a thought. Author: Why don't you just have the PC send a netmail
 > message to the sysop of 3615/51 informing him the program is about to
 > expire? Something my co-sysop thought of.

Technically, we're ALL 3615/51 so we'll all see each other's mail.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 290
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 10/31/93  3:39p
Subj: Re: echo list                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> addressing).  There are utilities to allow for these types of things
-> however, for instance:


 > No No No <G>


    Yes Yes Yes, Mike.  <G>


 > structures. It's a very basic and inneficient networking
 > method using packets designed for "offline readers". It has


    True, but some smaller nets are using it or something similar
to pass their mail, Mike, or so I understand.


 > and Fidonet.  PCBoard networking programs such as QNet(the
 > original), RNet, Rosemail, CAMMail, CNet, and TNet are
 > among those that support this standard.


    Ahhh, okay, perhaps that's where my confusion comes in.


 > Postlink (formerly called PCRelay) is a much more advanced
 > networking technology developed by Kip Compton.  PL does
 > things like encrypted mail, routed mail, return receipts,
 > file sends/requests, network broadcasts, dynamic hub not
 > requiring a front end, pre-extraction, bi-directional
 > xfers, satellite(one way) compatability, carbon copy sends,
 > and Internet/Usenet ready for future use.  Like Fido, it


    You mean when it works properly?  <BIG G>  We had a RIME hub
locally for a while, as well as a couple of leaf nodes until they all got
tired of the PostLink problems, Ms. B's snide messages, and Kip's almost
complete lack of response and dumped it.


 > The software supports something innovative called a UTI
 > (universal text interface). A UTI allows *ANY* IBM BBS


    Yeah, that I do know about, Mike, and speaking of which, do
you happen to have or know where I might locate a UTI for Maximus?  I found
Mxuti21c.lzh but it lacks the UTILSTRD.exe file needed to operate MegaMail.


 > Fido/echomail is an old and somewhat sloppy method, but it
 > gets the job done. Mail takes much longer with Fido than


    Old yes, as it predates PCRelay/PostLink, etc. but sloppy in
what way?  (let's continue this netmail as I doubt anyone else is interested
in our discussion)


 > a copywritten secret.  Security is also somewhat of a
 > problem with Fido, unless things are configured properly.


    The same can be said of almost any software though, Mike, in
terms of poor or improper configuration.


 > Intermail, Opus, etc.  It's somewhat complicated to set up,
 > and in most cases it request a kludge (a "tosser").


    Not really a kludge, Mike, although the UTI way of doing it
would be more seamless.  The main thing that drove me away from any type of
PostLink/PCRelay/QWK style network is the necessity of physically logging into
another BBS (whether via PostLink, scripts in your favourite telecom software
or what) and upload your mail and then wait while it builds your bundle for
you to download.  That really bites.


 > These are my opinions and observations of the above.  These
 > are ONLY my opinions, and I don't mean to endorse a
 > specific product.  Have been using all for several years.


    Understood, and as I said above, would like to continue this
discussion with you via netmail, Mike, as I am interested and we may be able
to enlighten one another.


 > We're hubbing about 15 networks (hosting New England Net)

    A sign of a true masochist, IMHO.  <G>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 291
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 10/31/93  3:41p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  I think the 16550 uart chip is just a buffer.  If  you


    Yes, I believe it has an 8k buffer.


 >  This means that if your system is busy with  something
 > else the incoming data won't get backed up and lost when
 >  there is no place for it to go.


    True, but if no software support is required to take
advantage of it, why then does/did some telecommunications software make you
manually enable 16550 FIFO support?


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 292
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/31/93  3:42p
Subj: echo list                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Patty, check your inbound.  I attached a file to you that
 > does *.msg, squish, ezycom, Hudson, and Jam message bases
 > for any QWK network.  Tell me if it's similar to, better,
 > or worse than the ones you've listed above.



    Got it, and will do as soon as I've set up a couple of other
things in my personal queue, Todd.  Been busy as heck here lately.  <G>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 293
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 10/31/93  3:43p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > we do is load X00 before running  DV (this lets X00 capture
 > IRQ14 and turn the 16550's buffer on), the Planet  Connect
 > software seems to be dumb enough that it doesn't know X00
 > is handling IRQ14.  I may be completely wrong as to why it
 > works, but it does work!  And  incoming/outgoing calls
 > thru the modem, nor tossing mail arriving thru the  modem
 > cause errors on PC.


    Ahhh, that makes sense, Mickey.  Thanks for the info.  I
wonder if the OS/2 version of X00 (SIO.SYS and VSIO.SYS) would allow it to
operate in a comparable manner?  Hmmmmmm, time for some testing!


 > PS...Foxy says HI!


    Tell 'er hello for me also.  :)


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 294
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/31/93  3:44p
Subj: QWK program                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > If you think this is what you need, you can freq me for:
 >
 > MKNET111.ARJ    221993 10/13/93 06:10
 >
 > at 1:3807/401 or 402.  Both are 14.4 v.32bis.  Points
 > welcome.



    I've also made it available for Freq here, Todd, in the event
that anyone's interested.  V32B, V42B, H16, both listed and unlisted nodes
welcome.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: RUDY HEHN                              Number: 295
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 10/31/93  2:56p
Subj: Re: echo list                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->   I believe the QWK type networks require the use of PCRelay or
-> PostLink <tm> as well as a network address for their network
-> (non-zone based addressing).  There are utilities to allow for
-> these types of things however, for instance:

POSTLINK is only needed for RIME. Any other .qwk tosser would work for
the other nets. Everybody should be aware however that you can't carry
any of these other nets on your board without going through the approval
policy for that net. Or to let me rephrase that, you can carry them but
you can't enter any replies back onto the net without the net status
that comes with that approval. And the replies have to go to a hub that
carries that net and turns on the net status for you.
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From: RUDY HEHN                              Number: 296
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 10/31/93  3:03p
Subj: press enter to continue                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> It is NOT a good idea to cripple your system with a "press enter
-> to continue"  prompt just to make sure that people call you to ensure
-> that they will enter the right codes in your software.  I place your

I concur. It really browned me off too that the system sat all day at
that prompt. It seems the programmers never heard of a timed loop
before. I had mailed off the payment too but it takes time to process.
However, PC was agreeable enough to give me a temporary code to bypass
this once I told them about it.
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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 297
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 11/02/93  3:01a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PP>    Ahhh, that makes sense, Mickey.  Thanks for the info.  I
PP>wonder if the OS/2 version of X00 (SIO.SYS and VSIO.SYS)
PP>would allow it to operate in a comparable manner?  Hmmmmmm,
PP>time for some testing!

Your guess is as good as mine there Patty.  We stopped running OS/2 when we
couldn't get backup software that would work under it & "talk" to our tape
drives.

PP> > PS...Foxy says HI!

PP>    Tell 'er hello for me also.  :)

Please ingore her swelled head when you next correspond with her in the FemSys
Echo...she just got elected President of the Nashville Sysops orginization by
a >2-to-1 margin! <G>

Mickey.....First executive assistant to Mdm President (for 26 years as of the
19th of this month).

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 298
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/02/93  1:57a
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Todd Lyons:

GS>TL> Aww the PDN people are being real *^#%$^% about the
GS>TL> satellite distribution system.  They can't see that this is
GS>TL> opening doors for people that didn't feel like forking out
GS>TL> $200 or more a month to pull in gobs of file echos and
GS>TL> message echos.  I don't know WHAT aspect of this they are
GS>TL> looking at.

GS>Loss of -control-.....plain and simple.....Myself and John went 10 rounds
GS>with Janis about this back when the satellite service was being
GS>concieved.....Their main reason was that Planet Connect was a commercial
GS>operation and that they didnt feel PC had a right to make money off others.
GS>When asked why they didnt feel the same way about Ma Bell no one could give
GS>straight answer.

I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One nardy *^#%$^%
even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* the mail to the net's
co-op, since he felt I (or Planet Connect) shouldn't be making a profit
out of this. Huh? I'm running at a $1000+ LOSS right now!! The co-op
pays MCI $250/month but doesn't wanna pay PC's $40/mo???  Scheeesh!

Foxy

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 299
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/02/93  1:47a
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TL>See ya                                                            Todd

TL>--- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25
TL> * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS  Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite Style! (1:3807/400)

Todd, are you running Fmail.96 registered on the downlink system? Our
Fmail.94 barfed at 396 echo areas and we hadda switch to Gecho in order
to handle the 640+ we now have in the list. How many areas will your
Fmail handle??

Foxy

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From: THOMAS HATTON                          Number: 300
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/02/93  7:53a
Subj: Product Lock problems                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Just a thought. Author: Why don't you just have the PC send a netmail
 > message to the sysop of 3615/51 informing him the program is about to
 > expire? Something my co-sysop thought of.

 TL> Technically, we're ALL 3615/51 so we'll all see each other's mail.

 TL> See ya                                                            Todd

Locally...the software on your end will write the message, not received from PC
(sorry for the wording). Kinda like Areafix/Raid/Seal/etc.  when they write a
message to the Sysop.

Thomas

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 301
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/04/93  6:29a
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: 298
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One nardy *^#%$
-> even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* the mail to the net's

Like Greg said, there're folks out there who are scared to death of
Planet Connect - It puts their current *control* of the mail
distribution in jeopardy.

Until everyone realizes that Planet Connect is nothing more than a
*means* of distributing FidoNet mail, these people will continue to
shout their high ascii.... My own personal opinion is until they can
*compete* with Planet Connect on price & service, they should accept
the situation for what it is:  Good ol' competition that they can't
match!

tim
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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 302
  To: RUDY HEHN                                Date: 11/02/93 12:07a
Subj: Re: echo list                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > POSTLINK is only needed for RIME. Any other .qwk tosser
 > would work for the other nets. Everybody should be aware


    Thanks for the info, Rudy.  I wasn't certain if any of the
other networks were now using PostLink as well.



                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 303
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/02/93  9:35p
Subj: Re: echo list                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  I used MegaMail for a long time but now I have found TimEd
 >  and I love it.  No conversion is needed so there are no dupes
 > on my system since I can read the same message  base  my
 > callers  use.



    Personally, I could care less about MegaMail (read my origin
line, Terry, I'm running as a point off of my own main system) but my users
want it and yes, TimEd is nice.  :)


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 304
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/02/93  9:36p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I wonder why the info that came with the demodulator
 > suggested we have one if it wasn't supported?



    Dunno, wishful thinking perhaps?  A friend of mine already
picking up off of satellite couldn't run it at all without a 16550 UART in his
machine.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 305
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/02/93  9:37p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I thought it was 16 bits???



    You're probably right, Todd, although I don't recall for
certain any longer.  Obviously, eh?  <g>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 306
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/03/93  7:33p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One nardy *^#%$^%
 > even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* the mail to the net's
 > co-op, since he felt I (or Planet Connect) shouldn't be making a profit
 > out of this. Huh? I'm running at a $1000+ LOSS right now!! The co-op
 > pays MCI $250/month but doesn't wanna pay PC's $40/mo???  Scheeesh!

Most of the end nodes didn't realize exactly how much money we were spending
on long distance bills.  You seem  almost to the point that people are about
to have to start getting their own damn echomail.  A couple of months of THEM
fighting to get through for polls, filling up hard drives, and in general
configuration problems would have given them an "attitude adjustment."

The only bad thing in this net is that not many people have the hard drive
space for the increased influx in file flow that has occurred here.  Oh, well,
I reap all the benefits alone then :)

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 307
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/03/93  7:39p
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TL>--- Fmail.96+/RA2.01+/IM2.25
 >
 > Todd, are you running Fmail.96 registered on the downlink system? Our

Yep.

 > Fmail.94 barfed at 396 echo areas and we hadda switch to Gecho in order
 > to handle the 640+ we now have in the list. How many areas will your
 > Fmail handle??

Well I kind of cheat <g>  I just don't define all of the areas in the
FidoNet.NA.  Fmail .96 has areafix forwarding and passthrough deletion (for
registered users...at $19 it was a steal).  I simply define which groups
qualify for areafix forwarding.  Fmail will create a new area and
automatically add the node to send it to and the node to get it from (3615/50)
so that I don't have to do ANYTHING.

Once per night I run a utility that a local user wrote to import the actual
descriptions from the FidoNet.NA into my FMAIL.AR config.  Works quite well
with PC.  Passthrough deletion doesn't actually *delete* the area from the
configs, just makes it inactive, so once a week, I go through and delete all
areas with no nodes listed in them.

I also avoid all low memory configurations by running PC and Fmail on a
monochrome machine with QEMM.  Know what that does for it? <grin>  QEMM maps
the first 64K segment of upper memory (normally used by VGA) to DOS memory, so
I have 720K of DOS memory to play with.  Get about 666K free after all my
network device drivers are loaded.  Fmail has NO memory shortage problems.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 308
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 11/03/93  7:20p
Subj: Eastern Standard Time                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ed Marquis wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

EM> Boyd,

EM> Do you realize that we can not reset our system time back to
EM> EST or the lock complains with:

EM>  "Security Error ####-####-####"
EM>  "Date Violation or Execute count expired"
EM>  "Please call P.S.I. (615 623-4694."

EM> If I set the time back to EDT I can run the program.
EM> Is there a way to fix this so my computer can use the
EM> correct time?

Yup......If you will note it sets the CMOS clock back to its previous setting
when it gets the error.....

There are two choices:

1. Set the clock back and wait an hour before bringing the software up

2. Set it -ahead- an hour, run it, get the error then set it to what it
   should be. I found this by accident when I had the same problem.

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 309
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/03/93  7:27p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Foxy Ferguson wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

GS>Loss of -control-.....plain and simple.....Myself and John went 10 rounds
GS>with Janis about this back when the satellite service was being
GS>concieved.....Their main reason was that Planet Connect was a commercial
GS>operation and that they didnt feel PC had a right to make money off others.
GS>When asked why they didnt feel the same way about Ma Bell no one could give
GS>straight answer.

FF> I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One
FF> nardy *^#%$^% even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE*
FF> the mail to the net's co-op, since he felt I (or Planet
FF> Connect) shouldn't be making a profit out of this. Huh? I'm
FF> running at a $1000+ LOSS right now!! The co-op pays MCI
FF> $250/month but doesn't wanna pay PC's $40/mo???  Scheeesh!

Well I pretty much wrote off the initial investment to "Big boys have expensive
toys" :).....But I setup a dedicated system, dedicated phone line, etc
etc.....I took all monthly costs including estimated return mail via ma bell
and added $15 a month to that for hardware upkeep. I feed 3 groups of folks for
a total of about 75 systems. I charge a CRP fee of $35 a month per group which
covers the monthly expenses.....If they dont wanna pay they dont get mail. I
have NO desire to operate at a profit but neither will I operate at a loss
other than possibly the initial investment.

Everyone seems to be quite happy as they are getting the cheapest, reliable
feed they have ever had.

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 310
  To: MARK STENNETT                            Date: 11/03/93  7:37p
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mark Stennett wrote in a message to Murray Pletsch:

 > What does getting a node number have to do with _ANYTHING_?
 > Moderators can NOT kick a person out of Fidonet.

MP> Should someone refuse to cut a link and the debate went to
MP> the last straw the NC could cut the node number.  No node
MP> number.....no participation in Fidonet.....it is that
MP> easy...!

MS> Show us the policy that makes that possible...

The same part that gets abused anytime someone in 'power' wants to get rid of
someone....-excessively annoying-.

[e-mail]

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 311
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 11/02/93 12:25a
Subj: echo list                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ken Kavanagh wrote in a message to Mike Labbe:

KK> Run
KK> PCUTIL CHECK4
KK> you should have pcutil somewhere on your satellite system's
KK> drive. They send it enough times per day :)
KK> edit the PCU.cfg to match your set up and run it first when
KK> you exit to process mail.
KK> the "check4" means check the index file (pcutil creates) for
KK> dup file names and delete entries that are 4days old (so
KK> that *.SU? doesnt get duped on the follwoing sunday)

I recently found out that sort.exe must also be on your exec path or pcutil
chokes prior to cleaning up the check.idx file. All fixed and working fine now
that I added sort.exe to my 'DOS' directory.

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 312
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/02/93 12:29a
Subj: Sunday's Bundles                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd,

                Why did Sundays bundles go from 0000FFFF.SUJ to
       0000FFFF.SUN with nothing in between .... did we miss a pile of
       mail?

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: BILL WALTON                            Number: 313
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/03/93  9:02a
Subj: Filebone areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Has anyone made an accurate list of exactly what is and what is not coming
down in file areas ?

I did a have a look last night and I came up with the following..

Not coming in
=============

PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht
Novell           278/01      ????
Soundnet         327/1       Robert Johnson
Treknet          206/1701    Marshall Presnell
Genealogy        18/230      John Grove
dvnet            355/38      Peter Stern
cadnet           116/32      Stan Bimson
ansinet          116/29      KevFraggle
CDN              394/1       Ray Waldo
zyxel            102/825     Patrick Martin
dharmanet        255/33      Barry Kapke
olrnet           377/61      Paul Knupke
doornet          374/6       Alex Rose
Lannet           124/6101    Authur Geffen
Geos             291/11      John Johnson



As Far as I can tell PC is not connected to any of these filebone areas, maybe
Boyd can let us know why, - They refused
                                - They were somehow missed
                                - a feed is not possible

Although I have seen files in the followng areas they are few and far between
have they stoped or just slow?

MSDN Mac Net
DTPnet
WDN - Wordperfect etc

Bill

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 314
  To: BILL WALTON                              Date: 11/04/93  1:37p
Subj: Re: Filebone areas                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Not coming in
> =============

 PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht        (Access denied)
 Novell           278/01      ????                (Active)
 Soundnet         327/1       Robert Johnson      (Active)
 Treknet          206/1701    Marshall Presnell   (Not Active)
 Genealogy        18/230      John Grove          (Access denied)
 dvnet            355/38      Peter Stern         (Access denied)
 cadnet           116/32      Stan Bimson         (Access denied)
 ansinet          116/29      KevFraggle          (Access denied)
 CDN              394/1       Ray Waldo           (Not Active)
 zyxel            102/825     Patrick Martin      (Active)
 dharmanet        255/33      Barry Kapke         (Not on filebone?)
 olrnet           377/61      Paul Knupke         (Active now)
 doornet          374/6       Alex Rose           (Not on filebone??)
 Lannet           124/6101    Authur Geffen       (Active)
 Geos             291/11      John Johnson        (Active

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 315
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/04/93  1:38p
Subj: Re: Sunday's Bundles                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Why did Sundays bundles go from 0000FFFF.SUJ to
> 0000FFFF.SUN with nothing in between .... did we miss a pile of
> mail?

    Nope just that they did not get sent to the uplink and I added them
manually the next day or two.

...Boyd

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 316
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/03/93 10:47a
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >Hello George. I tried that with Raid (v1.00) and it didn't like the cmdline
 >option. Could you send whatever later version exists to Boyd to he can get
 >it out via the satellite...?

The latest raid (v1.23) is available via FidoNet file request from
1:270/101 as RAID and the doc as RAIDDOC. I won't be asking Boyd to
distribute the software.

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 317
  To: MIKE MCKEE                               Date: 11/03/93 12:05p
Subj: TRANSMISSION ERRORS                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >There is a term called sidelobing which I think many of you are
 >experiencing, this is where your are getting a 'ghost' signal which may be
 >as low as 30 or 40 percent of the actual signal. A Satellite Dealer with a

Absolutely. I picked up no less than 3 "good" signals when I did
the aiming dance. All offered a definite increase in the signal tone,
offered data indicator, and good meter. But when I found the real signal
it was unmistakably different. Very well defined and solid.

I was playing a guessing game. The slip of paper with the coordinates
was absent any writing. But that didn't deter me. I spent a wonderful
half hour out in the yard wearing that dish. I was among the informed
though. I did this stuff in the army twenty-something years ago.

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 318
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/04/93  6:23p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TB> Don't feel rained on... I offered to GIVE it to my local  net  at
TB> my subscription cost and they didn't take me  up  on  it...  they
TB> first have to "study the feasibility."

Yeah. and study it... and study it... ad infinitum.

We offered to be an echomail test hub (me & all six of my downlinks)
when the 1st dish (the file co-op's) arrived in our net, so we as a net
could KNOW how reliable 'twas. No response of ANY kind from our NEC. So
at the urging of the downlinks, Hubby & I went and ordered our own dish.
Now the REC is quitting as of Jan 1st and the NEC is faced with finding
a new land-line link, not to mention that the NEC-administered CRP has
*three* satellite downlinks in the area already, all with the potential
of undercutting the CRP's price structure; the CRP Co-op members are in
a bit (to say the least) of turmoil, and nobody knows what's coming
next.

I don't think some people can see (or will admit) that while FidoNet has
been evolving in the past, this time it's been hit with a revolution,
and individual nodes seem to have only three choices:

1) hide your head in the sand and hope it'll go away.   It won't.
2) fight it, and hope to win.                           Not likely.
3) go for it and see how to make IT work for you.       Best choice.

Me, I wanna be a survivor of this revolution. I guess you do too. <g>

BTW, where 'bouts in Alabama are you located? I'm 'bout 25 miles
west of Nashville.

Foxy

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 319
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/04/93  6:38p
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TL>Well I kind of cheat <g>  I just don't define all of the areas in the
TL>FidoNet.NA.  Fmail .96 has areafix forwarding and passthrough deletion (for
TL>registered users...at $19 it was a steal).

Neat. *I* don't call that cheatin', just using the ol' noggin. <g>

TL>I also avoid all low memory configurations by running PC and Fmail on a
TL>monochrome machine with QEMM.  Know what that does for it? <grin>

Damn! Never thought 'bout using that spare monochrome CRT in the corner.

Regards, Foxy

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 320
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/04/93  3:04p
Subj: Rime                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Is anyone who is NOT a member of RIME picking up the RIME mail and passing
-> it on to RIME nodes WITHOUT Postlink?  If so, how do you have things
-> working?


a) Rime is not currently available through PC.

b) RIME is a private network, with a yearly dues, and requires Postlink
software for both nodes and hubs.  Converting the bases would compromise the
functionality of the software and violate network policy.

Mike

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 321
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/06/93  5:24p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: 318
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> 1) hide your head in the sand and hope it'll go away.   It won't.

That's what the moderators are doing...

-> 2) fight it, and hope to win.                           Not likely.

That's what the disgruntled *C's are doing...

-> 3) go for it and see how to make IT work for you.       Best choice.

Hooray for us, that's what *we're* doing!  |)

tim
moderator
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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 322
  To: ROB NELSON                               Date: 11/05/93  7:39a
Subj: Eastern Standard Time                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Shut down PTCCMAIN, set your time back, and don't start up
 > PTCCMAIN for minimum one hour.

Thanks!

Ed

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 323
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/05/93  7:43a
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  they are holding out for the new phone system that  will  deliver
 >  data at 64 k a second and save them money   ...which  is  due  to
 >  become  available  in  our  area  in  about   15   short   years.

Poor misguided folks huh?  <g>
I've been an NEC for about 5 years and have always paid a lot of my own
cash to get 1/3 of what we're getting now.  Now I can use that money to buy
some more CD roms!! (got any to sell?) <g>

Ed

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 324
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 11/05/93  7:56a
Subj: PC SOFTWARE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > That is my question: if the "owners" are so concerned about PC's
 > making a buck off their efforts (which they're not, really),
 > what's the difference between that and the Telco? Besides, WHO

I agree.

There is no difference between PC and the Telco to me, except that the
satellite delivers better because I don't get busy signals.  In my opinion,
they are both "carriers".  Fido never really spelled out the policy when it
came to "making a profit" with Echomail.  It always assumed that the phone
company would be making a profit.  I figure that this would mean that any true
carrier (rather than an end node or Fido hub) would be exempt from this rule.

PC's services are really a method of transmission just like the Telco.

Ed

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 325
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 11/05/93  7:59a
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Can we start an area call PSDN Programmers Software Distribution
 > Network.

Or how about Programmers *** Satellite *** Distribution Network?

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 326
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/05/93  9:46p
Subj: RE: FILEBONE AREAS                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >  PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht        (Access denied)
 >etc...

Boyd, would it help or hurt if we asked via netmail for those areas that are
denied to PC to reconsider?

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 327
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 11/05/93 11:10p
Subj: Press Enter To Continue                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Terry, as long as everyone out here in satelliteland is doing everything
 > we can to automate the operation of our sites....AND...PC's software has
 > unexpected little nastys like the <perss enter to continue> built into
 > it that cause folks to lose mail, it life WILL be short.  I don't care
 > how cheap it is if I can't depend on it!  Simple as that.

And as long as people know how to use programs like STACKEY to stuff keyboard
buffers then we will continue to use Planet Connect.  endofthread

BUT, if I don't remember to call PC for my three month code, I WON'T be
working :)

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 328
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 11/05/93 11:17p
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  >Raid is everything that I wanted (didn't have autoforward, but I suspect
 > Forwarding is something folks seem to like. But it
 > scares me from a practical sense. It's not like echomail where your
 > downlinks up your load by a only small amount with every request.

True.  I would stress very strongly in your docs, that if you are not
dedicated to serving the nodes under you, then it would be a good idea to
disable forwarding.  In my case, the Filebone is definitely worth autoadding
as I get it as part of my $40 anyway.

 >  >I hated to because the Allfix support seems like a less than fair group.
 > >But I won't whine any more..
 > The allfix group, besides being very money-oriented, are certainly
 > dedicated to their program/cause. Sometimes nearly to the point of

A *VERY* nice way of putting it.

 > violence. I enjoy using software. I even have some favorites. I dare
 > sayI'd never consider dying over it. The specs on the allfix and file

To be honest, there's nothing I have found that I *didn't* like yet.

 > manager programs look pretty neat. Actual mileage may vary.

Been good so far.  I just didn't like the way they treated *you*.  'nuff said

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 329
  To: RALPH LOBIANCO                           Date: 11/05/93 11:18p
Subj: SATELLITE SCHEDULE                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > -> 16550AFN (I use the BNU 1.88 beta). I suspect that even though PC
 > -> can't handle the FIFO,
 > I don't think so.. if PC isn't calling the fossil driver then it won't
 > use the FIFO.. I have however tried a few utilities that are supposed to
 > turn on the Fifo for Dos programs that don't.. And it did sorta work..

Basically what I've found is that if you enable the 16550 buffering (via a
fossil or 16550.exe) then PC can't talk to the port.  It can only be done
after the initial opening of the port by PC (as per my feeble tests)

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 330
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 11/05/93 11:20p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  > I thought it was 16 bits???
 >     You're probably right, Todd, although I don't recall for
 > certain any longer.  Obviously, eh?  <g>

Well it must be the quality of my Crown:  I was wrong too.  16 bytes.  But,
hey!  Close enough for us, eh? :)

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 331
  To: HECTOR MANDEL                            Date: 11/05/93  6:09p
Subj: SATELLITE SCHEDULE                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > If the interrupts are busy for any significant amount of time, the
 > UART fifo won't help much.

That 16-byte buffer has always been sufficient here. And, we tried handling an
old HST on 2 different XT's without it, and it didn't work. You'd have to have
some REALLY slow hardware to cause character loss with the FIFO buffer working.

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 332
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 11/05/93  6:17p
Subj: PRESS ENTER TO CONTINUE                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > sites....AND...PC's software has unexpected little nastys like the
 > <perss enter to continue> built into it that cause folks to lose

It's a moot point, Mickey. Planet Connect is listening; Boyd has already
announced a new version of the software that doesn't have the <press enter to
continue> trap. I'm sure that all of us will have trouble from time to time,
some of it no doubt due to PC's screwups. I'm JUST as sure that they will do
everything in their power to prevent future occurrances, and to make our lives
as painless as possible when it comes to echomail. Cut them a bit of slack
while they go through the learning curve with us.

                                      <<Jim>>

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 333
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/05/93  8:48a
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Mark Stennett:

 > What does getting a node number have to do with _ANYTHING_?
 > Moderators can NOT kick a person out of Fidonet.

MP> Should someone refuse to cut a link and the debate went to
MP> the last straw the NC could cut the node number.  No node
MP> number.....no participation in Fidonet.....it is that
MP> easy...!

MS> Show us the policy that makes that possible...

GS> The same part that gets abused anytime someone in 'power'
GS> wants to get rid of someone....-excessively annoying-.

As quoted..  _show_ us the policy that says that we can take a node's node
number away, for being annoying in _one_ echo.   Go ahead and download policy
4, and quote it..     Moderators do have SOME power; that power permeates
only over their own echo, and not over a node's normal business.  They can
_not_ demand a NC/RC/ZC revoke a person's node number, just for being out of
hand in, say, the "FOOBAR" echo.

A moderator CAN, however, request that a node no longer be allowed to
participate in an echo.  For some cases, total disconnection is the answer.
For some feeds, they can give the echo to the node but refuse to take mail
posted.  Easy enough.

Don't think that I'm just anti-moderator.  I am the moderator of 4 different
echos myself;  one of them, I have to be a vigalante in trying to maintain
order in it.  I can't take away _any_ of their node numbers; all I can do is
contact the person's sysop/hub/next up in the chain, and block their ability
to post.  It'd be NEAT to kill a BBS just because I felt power hungry.. but
that's not how it works.



Jason Fesler
[e-mail]

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From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                       Number: 334
  To: JOE OVERHOLT                             Date: 11/06/93 12:46p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Joe:

   Well, Joe, it was your idea to put the crippled software where people
could use it.  So we have to call you in order to get connected to
Planet Connect.  So where the hell are you?  My software got crippled
on Sat, as per your schedule.  I sent in my bucks, but you hadn't
received it yet.  So I was told that it was your policy that I have to
wait until you received proof.  So I waited.  Well, now I called on Sat
morning because, as per schedule, your ****ing crippled software started
limping on me and needed me to puch the ENTER key again, and where are
you?   I called at 12:10PM Sat morning expecting somewhere to be there
are there WASN'T. So NOW I have to put up with babysitting your
software all ****ing weekend just because you people have the nerve to
cripple software and not be around to uncripple it to paying customers.

   Thanks, Joe.  My whole net really appreciates it.

   Do me and everyone else a favor.  If you don't plan to be around to
uncripple software when we need it, then put an annoying message on the
D*** screen, but don't cripple the software so it doesn't work in a
batch file.   When people's subscription runs out, THEN make the
software COMPLETELTY unusable.   Don't do this halfway shit.  It pisses
people off, and pissed off people tend to go to the competition.

   Rudolf Rothemund

PS:  If you create a file called GO in your c:\planetc directory and
place in it a ^M , then place in your batch file
                    PTCCMAIN < C:\PLANETC\GO,
it bypasses your little stunt.


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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 335
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/06/93 12:18p
Subj: Eastern Standard Time                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GS >1. Set the clock back and wait an hour before bringing the
GS >software up


WOW!!! is that all it is? I had a real bad time trying to see what machine it
would actually work on and it kept tossing me out!

I think I now have the times sysncronised on all machines will that help?

ttyl
     Laz

(this is my first full day running one here. I am a newbe!)

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 336
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/06/93  9:08p
Subj: Sunday's Bundles                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd--

 BG>     Nope just that they did not get sent to the uplink and I added them
 BG> manually the next day or two.

Were these named as part of those day's mail bundles? (i.e. MO1,TU2,WE3, etc?)

I hope so. I had wondered about this break in the bundle names, too.

Ken

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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 337
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/05/93 10:31p
Subj: Re: Filebone areas                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd,

* In a message originally to Bill Walton, Boyd Goodin said:

 > > Not coming in
 > > =============
 >
 >  PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht        (Access
 > denied)

--CLIP--

 >  Geos             291/11      John Johnson        (Active

What would be the chanches of me sending the files headed for the "bone" to
you with my outbound bundles?  Or would it be better to try and get a
connection with John S. directly to uplink the new files?
Reason I ask is because the existing link is gonna go away. :)

John

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 338
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 11/07/93  2:31a
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tracy--

 TM> Boyd, would it help or hurt if we asked via netmail for those areas that
 TM> are denied to PC to reconsider?

Well, I just got thru with a lengthy rebuttal to the GSDS head honcho, John Le
Duc. He was getting crass because of several (maybe more?) netmails that were
taking him to task for not allowing GSDS on the feed just yet. And to top it
all off, NONE of the folks that netmailed him were even into genealogy!!! GSDS
is the genealogy software net, and I am a Genealogy sysop. He posted in the
Genealogy Sysop echo for anyone to speak their mind about this, so I did. He
(and obviously a portion of the sysops in that echo - me excluded, because I
didn't even know a poll was being taken about this in February) decided in
February to take a "let's wait and see how it goes/fizzles" attitude, and
enacted a 1-year moratorium on allowing GSDS on the satellite. Well, he is
putting it back before the sysops now to see if anyone has changed their mind.
Two have spoken up AGAINST it. (And wouldn't you know neither of them have any
experience with PC?????????). Well, I let my hair down about it.

I said this to say this to you: NO, NO, NO!!!! DON'T antagonize these folks by
cluttering up their netmail areas. All it's going to do is add fuel to the
fire. Some of them are just buttheads, and don't want their authority
threatened.

I would suggest we post in their echo areas and ask the "members" of their file
nets what their opinion is. We need to be positive about Planet Connect in
everything we do and say to whoever we do/say it to. WE know it's a great deal.
Obviously some of them don't, yet.

What does anyone else reading this say?????

Ken

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 339
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/07/93 12:49a
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

MP> Should someone refuse to cut a link and the debate went to
MP> the last straw the NC could cut the node number.  No node
MP> number.....no participation in Fidonet.....it is that
MP> easy...!

MS> Show us the policy that makes that possible...

GS> The same part that gets abused anytime someone in 'power'
GS> wants to get rid of someone....-excessively annoying-.

JF> As quoted..  _show_ us the policy that says that we can take
JF> a node's node  number away, for being annoying in _one_
JF> echo.   Go ahead and download policy  4, and quote it..
JF> Moderators do have SOME power; that power permeates  only
JF> over their own echo, and not over a node's normal business.
JF> They can  _not_ demand a NC/RC/ZC revoke a person's node
JF> number, just for being out of  hand in, say, the "FOOBAR"
JF> echo.

I didnt say they could......Put your glasses on Jason :)

What I did say was "The same part......." as quoted above.....The moderator
cant do it, that much you are right about......Nor should the NC or RC or ZC be
able to do it if they only act up in -one- echo....But you let someone show
their butt multiple times or get a bunch of 'powers that be' against them and
they will lose their node number....Its happened many times.....

[e-mail]

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 340
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/08/93  1:28a
Subj: Re: Filebone Areas                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Is this a definitive list of those refusing to allow their FDN to flow?

  Yep.


> These folks have quite the nerve...Any immediate plans to implement areas
> like the UTILNET2 for these also?

   Tell me about it. Theirs (and yours) loss.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 341
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/08/93  1:30a
Subj: Re: Mail Bundles                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> .FRB
> .FRC

> Is there any way to remedy this?

   This is a new extended charactor set. If your tosser does not handle the new
format you will have to manually extract the ones with extensions of A to Z.

...Boyd

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From: JOSEPH GIBSON                          Number: 342
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/06/93  1:58p
Subj: Re: Filebone areas                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  > doornet          374/6       Alex Rose           (Not on filebone??)

BG>....Boyd

Hi Boyd,

you said not on filebone...?

___
cut from filebone.na

Area DOORDIST   0   U     Door Files: NodeLists & Official Files
Area DFN_APP    0   U     Door Files: Door Applications
Area DFN_NAPP   0   U     Door Files: Net Work Applications
Area DFN_ARCD   0   U     Door Files: Arcade Game Doors
Area DFN_CHAN   0   U     Door Files: Chance Doors (Gambling)
Area DFN_DEVP   0   U     Door Files: Door Development
Area DFN_MISC   0   U     Door Files: Misc. Doors
Area DFN_RPG    0   U     Door Files: Role Playing Games
Area DFN_SPRT   0   U     Door Files: Sport Doors
Area DFN_TRIV   0   U     Door Files: Trivia Doors
Area DFN_UTIL   0   U     Door Files: Door Utilities
Area DFN_WAR    0   U     Door Files: War Game Doors
Area DFN_WC     0   U     Door Files: Wild Cat Doors
Area DFN_PCB    0   U     Door Files: PCBoard Doors
;             Headquarters 1:374/6 Alex Rose
;             SysOp Echo: D_SYSOP
;             Info file: Request DOORNET
;             DoorFile Network (Zone 75)

---

In my filebone file there listed. Only thing I see that Alex won't let
them go out unless you belong to Doornet... Then why list them in the
Filebone if there are not going to be available.

JG!


 * QMPro 1.51 * A father is a banker provided by nature.

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 343
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/07/93 12:26p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Foxy!

Thursday November 04 1993, Foxy Ferguson writes to Terry Blount:

 FF> We offered to be an echomail test hub (me & all six of my downlinks)
 FF> when the 1st dish (the file co-op's) arrived in our net, so we as a net
 FF> could KNOW how reliable 'twas. No response of ANY kind from our NEC. So

:(((

 FF> *three* satellite downlinks in the area already, all with the potential
 FF> of undercutting the CRP's price structure; the CRP Co-op members are in
 FF> a bit (to say the least) of turmoil, and nobody knows what's coming
 FF> next.

In Net 153 we have taken a very active view that if it is cheaper and reliable,
lets do it.  After the initial testing period we find it is both.

The Net sponsored CRP has made arrangements with one PCSite for The Fido
Echomail and FileBone areas and is looking at the very real possibility of
bringing a second (existing PC system) on stream for the Net real soon.  We
believe we will need the bandwidth to get the stuff to the Top Net Hubs in a
timley fashion for feeding on to the Hubs who actually feed the nodes.)

With the increasing demand for links into the Echomail and File distribution,
we are finding our problems are no longer one of cost, but of efficiency of
moving and processing all the stuff within reasonable time frames.

It is working very well, almost to great, we are having to bring on many more
Hubs to keep up with the demand for new links... and there is a definite
educational period involved... :)

 FF> I don't think some people can see (or will admit) that while FidoNet has
 FF> been evolving in the past, this time it's been hit with a revolution,
 FF> and individual nodes seem to have only three choices:

Unfortunately, this happen a lot, in many areas of life, manufacturing,
business... just take a look at the economies of two countriesd.

I am thankful to be here to be a part of this revolution, it is quite exciting

 FF> 1) hide your head in the sand and hope it'll go away.   It won't.
 FF> 2) fight it, and hope to win.                           Not likely.
 FF> 3) go for it and see how to make IT work for you.       Best choice.

3. Best choice (only one really) :)


Cheers, Ervin

... Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 344
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/07/93 12:31p
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

Thursday November 04 1993, Terry Blount writes to Jason Fesler:

 TB>  ...and you think that is "nice"  ??  What if I  didn't  like  you
 TB>  and I moderated a conference... or what if one  moderator  didn't
 TB>  like another moderator?   Moderators have WAY too much  authority
 TB>  and  they  have  no  regulations   as   far   as  I   can   tell.


Yes, Moderators are GAWD's of their echoes... :(((  in the great majority of
the Backbone echoes, this actually seems not to cause a great deal of trouble,
but in those cases where it does, ir "really" does :((

I am/was hoping to see some sort of restraint mechanism instituted into the New
Echopol, it may not appear due to the vocal few who wish to keep their GAWD
positions.

Cheers, Ervin

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 345
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/07/93 12:35p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

Friday November 05 1993, Terry Blount writes to Foxy Ferguson:

 TB>  The people like  me  and  the  others  who  started  getting  the
 TB>  satellite feed don't  want  to  stir  up  trouble  by  recruiting
 TB>  sysops from the old net to join with us in getting the  satellite
 TB>  feed and sharing the cost... so more and  more  PC  subscriptions
 TB>  will follow.

It is unfortunate that type of attitude exists.  A very nice marriage between
Net sponsired CRP's and PC Sites can work wonders for the Sysops of a Net....

Cheers, Ervin

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 346
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 11/06/93  6:34a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Your guess is as good as mine there Patty.  We stopped
 > running OS/2 when we  couldn't get backup software that
 > would work under it & "talk" to our tape  drives.


    Shame on you, Mickey!  Where's your sense of adventure?  <g>


 > Please ingore her swelled head when you next correspond
 > with her in the FemSys  Echo...she just got elected
 > President of the Nashville Sysops orginization by
 > a >2-to-1 margin! <G>


    Cool.  I'll send her my congrats via FEMALE_SYSOP.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 347
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 11/06/93  6:36a
Subj: SATELLITE SCHEDULE                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > It's 16 BYTES.


    Thanks for toggling my buffer back on, Jim.  <G>


 > The FIFO buffer is disabled by default, and must be turned
 > on (enabled) by software somehow. Either the comm software
 > itself, a FOSSIL, or 16550.EXE.


    And thanks much! for this timely answer also.  It's what had
me puzzled when folks were saying that the current software used the 16550
while PC support was saying Not!


                        --)@  Patty  @(--


    P.S.  Good to see you also survived the BBSCON.

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 348
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 11/06/93  6:38a
Subj: Re: echo list                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > much worse "rap" than it deserves... Been running it here
 > since 1988 with very few problems. Most problems are


    I was under the impression that PostLink just came out a year
or so ago, Mike, or are you talking about PCRelay & PostLink?


 > No, unfortunately I don't... But if you call RUNNING BOARD
 > BBS in Bethesda, MA they have all the known UTIs available.



    Thanks Mike, will do.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 349
  To: HECTOR MANDEL                            Date: 11/06/93  6:40a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > No ... it's just a 16 byte buffer, actually.


    <blush>  Yeah, Jim Dunmyer reminded me, Hector, but thanks.


 > If the interrupts are busy for any significant amount of
 > time, the UART fifo won't help much.


    Aww, just go and rain on my parade whydontcha?  <g>


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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 350
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 11/06/93  6:43a
Subj: Things...                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I have ran almost all BBS packages, Mailers, Tossers, Hardware,
 > and Networks.



    Drop us a note when you get around to OS/2 2.1ga or WinNT
!NOT!, Ozz.  <g>


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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 351
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/07/93 10:50p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I said this to say this to you: NO, NO, NO!!!! DON'T antagonize
 > these folks by cluttering up their netmail areas. All it's going to
 > do is add fuel to the fire. Some of them are just buttheads, and
 > don't want their authority threatened.

It was never my intention to start a netmail annoyance campaign. Fido politics
is often annoying all by its self with out any help. On the other hand, it
doesn't get anybody anywhere if no one says anything hoping they'll figure out
we want the feed either.

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 352
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/07/93  9:27p
Subj: SEENBYS.                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > 3615/51 being our uplink computer. Please check all areas and remove
 > it from your seenbys.

Boyd,

I've put this message in the echo to see if it has no seenby's. I took a look
in my control file and have removed that address from where it was supposed to
be. Please let me know if this situation continues.

Regards



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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 353
  To: HECTOR MANDEL                            Date: 11/07/93 12:42p
Subj: 16550                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I generate some traffic through the ethernet, like even one of the other
 > machines requesting time synchronization, I get errors on the PC
 > download when the machine running PC gets the query accross its NIC.  It
 > seems that the network interface card's interrupts are seriously

what IRQ are you using?  I have 8 bit (SLOW) arcnet running on IRQ 7 on my
PConn machine and have no problems receiving files to my server's hd, even
with heavy network activity.  And YES I know there is a big difference between
the topologies/methodologies of arcnet vs. ethernet.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 354
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/07/93 10:18a
Subj: PC SOFTWARE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >  like  religion.   Since  this  conference   is   basically   only
 >  available to those who are "saved" like us and already  connected
 >  to the satellite feed  you  won't  find  anyone  to  answer  your
 >  question here.  <grin>

<<ROTFL>>

As one of the fellas in the TBBS echo commented, he sees most non-participating
FDN's fading away, due to the vast difference in cost of distubution. "We" are
going to get spoiled very quickly, and flat out refuse to make calls for stuff
that should by rights be coming in as part of our PC service. Seems to me that
they'd be falling all over themselves to be sure that *their* FDN is linked to
PC, instead of making some sort of holdout action.

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 355
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/06/93 12:16p
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount wrote in a message to Jason Fesler:

JF> It would be _nice_ if the Moderator  can  cut  a  person's  node
JF> number out of the   nodelist.    I  know  MANY  moderators  that
JF> would love to do that.

TB>  ...and you think that is "nice"  ??  What if I  didn't
TB> like  you  and I moderated a conference... or what if one
TB> moderator  didn't  like another moderator?   Moderators have
TB> WAY too much  authority  and  they  have  no  regulations
TB> as   far   as  I   can   tell.

Terry, you didn't read my entire message, or note the sarcasm.  I was trying
to tell the bloke that you can't do that.. but if moderators had that power,
the fidonet would be utter (instead of almost utter) chaos.


Jason Fesler
[e-mail]



... Friends don't let friends use Fraudigy.
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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 356
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 11/07/93 11:29a
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Well, Joe, it was your idea to put the crippled software where people
> could use it.  So we have to call you in order to get connected to
> Planet Connect.  So where the hell are you?  My software got crippled

   It was me who put that pause in there.

> you?   I called at 12:10PM Sat morning expecting somewhere to be there
> are there WASN'T. So NOW I have to put up with babysitting your

     Why didn't you can again during the day? I got in at 12:35 pm eastern and
stayed till 6 pm.  Never got a call back from you.

> software all ****ing weekend just because you people have the nerve to
> cripple software and not be around to uncripple it to paying customers.

    Do you expect me to be there 24 hours a day?  Man I take half a day off and
you blow your top because you expect me to be there on that one call you
placed. Sorry I do have a life besides waiting for your call. 

> Thanks, Joe.  My whole net really appreciates it.

   Tha sould be thanks Boyd and your welcome.

> Do me and everyone else a favor.  If you don't plan to be around to
> uncripple software when we need it, then put an annoying message on the

   I was there just not at the time you called.

> PS:  If you create a file called GO in your c:\planetc directory and
> place in it a ^M , then place in your batch file
> PTCCMAIN < C:\PLANETC\GO,
> it bypasses your little stunt.


    Well then what are you comlaining about. Seems you fixed it. Are you
complaining because I was not there to receive your call or about the pause in
the saoftware?


...Boyd

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From: PHIL MILLER                            Number: 357
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 10/26/93  5:26p
Subj: Re: Satellite Schedule                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


On Mon 25-Oct-1993 22:33 thus spake Todd Lyons unto Phil Miller:

 TL> Phil, are you running with or without Lancache?  Some other cache?  No
 TL> cache?

 I use smartdrive on the node that processes the mail..

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 358
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/07/93  4:24p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TB> Although he was not excited about the new  technology  he  didn't
TB> move with it.  Now about 3 or 4 of his old feeds have  their  own
TB> satellite connection and the phone bill has to  be  divided  by a
TB> lower number of sysops.   Planet Connect is clearly  the  winner.
TB> Had the hub subscribed to PC everyone would have shared  the  $40
TB> expense but now PC is collecting more than twice  that  from  our
TB> old net area.

Pretty much the same scenario here. Instead of one dish in this net,
there's apt to be a minimum of four, as we have a coupla big pay BBS's
here that would be wise to get their own.

TB> feed and sharing the cost... so more and  more  PC  subscriptions
TB> will follow.

Yep. Inevitable as measles.

TB> I'm located in Bayou La Batre... about half  way  between  Mobile
TB> and Dolphin Island.

Hey! Send me some of those warm Gulf Coast breezes: 'twas 30 deg and a
20 mph north wind t'other day when I went up on the roof to get the snow
off the dish. <g>

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 359
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/07/93  5:22p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG> PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht        (Access denied)
BG> Genealogy        18/230      John Grove          (Access denied)
BG> dvnet            355/38      Peter Stern         (Access denied)
BG> cadnet           116/32      Stan Bimson         (Access denied)
BG> ansinet          116/29      KevFraggle          (Access denied)

Is this a definitive list of those refusing to allow their FDN to flow?

These folks have quite the nerve...Any immediate plans to implement areas
like the UTILNET2 for these also?

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 360
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 11/07/93  5:22p
Subj: Rime                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

ML>a) Rime is not currently available through PC.

Thanks -- per the advertisement I thought it was.  Per the dish yesterday I
wondered. 8-)

ML>b) RIME is a private network, with a yearly dues, and requires Postlink
ML>software for both nodes and hubs.  Converting the bases would compromise the
ML>functionality of the software and violate network policy.

What I would like to do when RIME comes online is allow the RIME archive(s)
to be sent to the local system, let them use PostLink to import the mail,
and use PostLink to establish an uplink as we do with the Fidonet uplink.

Whether a RIME link used FTN to transport the files or a door makes no
difference to me -- having the RIME folks pitch in a few dollars to help
reduce the burden on the satelite link is what I am after.

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 361
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/07/93  5:22p
Subj: Mail Bundles                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

There were mail bundles on Saturday with extensions which do not conform
to Fidonet ARCmail naming conventions:

.FRB
.FRC

Is there any way to remedy this?

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 362
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/08/93  5:52a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Eddie Rowe wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

BG> PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht        (Access denied)
BG> Genealogy        18/230      John Grove          (Access denied)
BG> dvnet            355/38      Peter Stern         (Access denied)
BG> cadnet           116/32      Stan Bimson         (Access denied)
BG> ansinet          116/29      KevFraggle          (Access denied)

ER> Is this a definitive list of those refusing to allow their
ER> FDN to flow?

DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution, with DVNET having
the most extensive, of which I am a member since it's inception...

Considering that CADNET is very specific, and geared towards folks that can
afford to purchase a $3000 dollar software package, and at least another
$20,000 for the hardware, it has the least impact I'm sure... (IMHO)

Genealogy is doing a 'look and see' at the moment, as I understand it...

Who cares about ansinet...

PDN is adamant about it, total control is what she wants.

The FDN of UTILNET retired and passed the hat saying it was 'open'. When he
heard that that Kevin and Janis wouldn't allow it on the Sat., he came back out
of retirement and started UTILNET2, which Kevin refuses to place into the
FILEBONE.NA file so folks can get access to it...

As I understand it to be, or IMHO, at the moment...

Dave

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From: BERT KENNEDY                           Number: 363
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/07/93  5:13p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

03 Nov 93 12:37, Terry Blount wrote to Foxy Ferguson:

 TB>  Don't feel rained on... I offered to GIVE it to my local  net  at
 TB>  my subscription cost and they didn't take me  up  on  it...  they
 TB>  first have to "study the feasibility."    One  sysops  calculated
 TB>  that the $40 cost divided by the number of conferences  came  out
 TB>  to  25  cents  per  conference  and  since   he   wanted   only 3
 TB>  conferences he decided he should pay 75  cents a  month...   they
 TB>  were also afraid that lightening would strike  my  dish  or  that
 TB>  satellite technology was so  "new"  that  it  wasn't  reliable...
 TB>  they are holding out for the new phone system that  will  deliver
 TB>  data at 64 k a second and save them money   ...which  is  due  to
 TB>  become  available  in  our  area  in  about   15   short   years.

After having read all this I felt I must let you know there is hope for our
users and fellow sysops. Here in 3648/* . We all met agreed on a flat rate for
each system connected to our net (Point or not) and voted on a tresurer. I pay
nothing since I invested in the system they manage the quartely monies and I
pay ma-bell not a dime!! I love it, here is wishing you more success..

Bert

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From: BRIAN DHATT                            Number: 364
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/05/93  4:59p
Subj: Filebone areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thursday November 04 1993 13:37, Boyd Goodin wrote to Bill Walton:


 BG>  Soundnet         327/1       Robert Johnson      (Active)

                                                       ^^^^^^^^^
Does this mean that there is some feed problem?  I'd really like to see
SoundNet.

Brian

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 365
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/08/93 10:39a
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Terry Blount:


JF> Terry, you didn't read my entire message, or note the
JF> sarcasm.  I was trying  to tell the bloke that you can't do
JF> that.. but if moderators had that power,  the fidonet would
JF> be utter (instead of almost utter) chaos.

You are right... <grin>  you caught me... I was just browsing messages and
looking for a spot to insert my opinion.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 366
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/08/93 10:42a
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Foxy Ferguson wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

FF> Hey! Send me some of those warm Gulf Coast breezes: 'twas 30
FF> deg and a 20 mph north wind t'other day when I went up on
FF> the roof to get the snow off the dish. <g>

I really sympathize... it dropped to 44 last night.... liked to have frozen my
buns off !   The wife thought I was making moves on her when I was trying to
thaw out  :)

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 367
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 11/08/93 10:45a
Subj: Coming changes                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Ervin   Jay   wrote   in   a    message    to    Terry    Blount:


EJ> Yes, Moderators are GAWD's of  their  echoes...  :(((    in  the
EJ> great majority of  the  Backbone  echoes,  this  actually  seems
EJ> not to cause a  great  deal  of  trouble,  but  in  those  cases
EJ> where it does, ir "really" does :((

EJ> I  am/was  hoping  to  see  some  sort  of  restraint  mechanism
EJ> instituted into the New  Echopol,  it  may  not  appear  due  to
EJ>  the  vocal  few  who  wish  to  keep  their  GAWD    positions.

 Since  there  is  not  any  apparent  check  on  the  quality  of
 moderating I can only hope that  the  bad  ones  find  themselves
 moderating a conference that is local to  the  bbs  they  access.

 There should be a maximum number of users who  can  be  asked  to
 leave a conference and if that number is exceeded the  conference
 should be banned from the backbone.  If a moderator has  so  much
 difficulty  getting  along  with  people  or  they  simply  can't
 tolerate  different  views  to  the  point  that  they  have   to
 continue to kick out participants they are not qualified for  the
 job.  I think about 3 expulsions a year is plenty  high  even  in
 the most controversial echos.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 368
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 11/08/93 10:53a
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Ervin   Jay   wrote   in   a    message    to    Terry    Blount:

 TB>  The people like  me  and  the  others  who  started  getting  the
 TB>  satellite feed don't  want  to  stir  up  trouble  by  recruiting
 TB>  sysops from the old net to join with us in getting the  satellite
 TB>  feed and sharing the cost... so more and  more  PC  subscriptions
 TB>  will follow.

EJ> It is unfortunate that type of attitude exists.    A  very  nice
EJ> marriage between Net sponsired  CRP's  and  PC  Sites  can  work
EJ> wonders for the Sysops of a Net....

 In theory... and in many  areas  YES.   But  in  MOST  areas  the
 bachelor lifestyle has prevailed so long that the  compromise  of
 marriage is perceived as a threat.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 369
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 11/08/93 10:57a
Subj: PC SOFTWARE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jim Dunmyer wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

 >  like  religion.   Since  this  conference   is   basically   only
 >  available to those who are "saved" like us and already  connected
 >  to the satellite feed  you  won't  find  anyone  to  answer  your
 >  question here.  <grin>

JD> <<ROTFL>>
JD>
JD> As one of the fellas in the TBBS echo commented, he sees
JD> most non-participating FDN's fading away, due to the vast
JD> difference in cost of distubution. "We" are going to get
JD> spoiled very quickly, and flat out refuse to make calls for
JD> stuff that should by rights be coming in as part of our PC
JD> service. Seems to me that they'd be falling all over
JD> themselves to be sure that *their* FDN is linked to PC,
JD> instead of making some sort of holdout action.

You do know that Moses could not have delivered the ten
commandments if the people had already had an established set of commandmentas
...or a land line in this case :)

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 370
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/08/93  5:36p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Ken   Jackson   wrote   in  a   message   to    Tracy    Mickley:

KJ> I would suggest  we  post  in  their  echo  areas  and  ask  the
KJ> "members" of their file nets what  their  opinion  is.  We  need
KJ> to be positive about Planet Connect  in  everything  we  do  and
KJ> say to whoever we do/say it to.  WE  know  it's  a  great  deal.
KJ> Obviously some of them don't, yet.

KJ> What does anyone else reading this say?????

 I say "be  cool"  and  show  patience.  If  we,  who  have  found
 salvation in this new technology, go about  stirring  up  trouble
 then those who are "lost"  may  drop  out  and  start  their  own church.

 Our goal is to get the files the authors write. It  would  be  an
 incentive to offer the  authors  the  opportunity  to  distribute
 their programs via satellite (if their network isn't  connected).
 All we need is a phone number where shareware authors can  upload
 programs for satellite distribution.  The  original  purpose  the
 distribution networks were created was to distribute files.  That
 can also be the purpose  for  creating  an  alternative  solution
 that has temporarily  restricted  the  flow  of  these  files  to
 hundreds of bbs's.  The shareware authors found the  distribution
 nets and they will also find a way to get their  programs  to  us
 if   we   provide  a   number   they   can    send    them    to.

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 371
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/08/93  1:49p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Quoting Ken Jackson to Tracy :

KJ>What does anyone else reading this say?????

I agree with you: don't clutter up their netmail. Flood their echo
instead.

I'm with you, bud.

Foxy
Music City Archives - Genealogy & Ham Radio

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 372
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/08/93 11:03p
Subj: Mail Bundles                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

ER>There were mail bundles on Saturday with extensions which do not conform
ER>to Fidonet ARCmail naming conventions:

ER>.FRB
ER>.FRC

ER>Is there any way to remedy this?

Just toss the ones with .xx0 thru .xx9, then rename the others in
sequence, then toss them. No biggie. My tosser will handle .xx0 thru
.xxF, so I do the same when they go to G and above. The other satellite
node in our net is running a later ver (registered) of the same tosser I
am he says it will toss .xx0 thru .xxZ.

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 373
  To: MODERATOR                                Date: 11/06/93 12:58p
Subj: ELIST                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Tim,

                Is there a reason that Planet_Connect was restricted to
   Planet_Connect systems only or was that an error? Check the ELIST and
   you'll see what I mean. I'd like to see PC available to the backbone
   so people can find out what is going on and stop posting about Sat
   downlink technology in every other echo in the universe (e.g.-TVRO).
   What's everyone else think?

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                       Number: 374
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/08/93  8:25p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > Well, Joe, it was your idea to put the crippled software where peop
-> > could use it.  So we have to call you in order to get connected to
-> > Planet Connect.  So where the hell are you?  My software got crippl
->
->    It was me who put that pause in there.
->
-> > you?   I called at 12:10PM Sat morning expecting somewhere to be th
-> > are there WASN'T. So NOW I have to put up with babysitting your
->
->      Why didn't you can again during the day? I got in at 12:35 pm ea
-> stayed till 6 pm.  Never got a call back from you.
->
-> > software all ****ing weekend just because you people have the nerve
-> > cripple software and not be around to uncripple it to paying custom
->
->     Do you expect me to be there 24 hours a day?  Man I take half a d
-> you blow your top because you expect me to be there on that one call
-> placed. Sorry I do have a life besides waiting for your call. 
->
-> > Thanks, Joe.  My whole net really appreciates it.
->
->    Tha sould be thanks Boyd and your welcome.
->
-> > Do me and everyone else a favor.  If you don't plan to be around to
-> > uncripple software when we need it, then put an annoying message on
->
->    I was there just not at the time you called.
->
-> > PS:  If you create a file called GO in your c:\planetc directory an
-> > place in it a ^M , then place in your batch file
-> > PTCCMAIN < C:\PLANETC\GO,
-> > it bypasses your little stunt.
->
->
->     Well then what are you comlaining about. Seems you fixed it. Are
-> complaining because I was not there to receive your call or about the
-> the saoftware?
->
->
-> ...Boyd
->
-> --- DB 1.54/004770
->  * Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50)

Boyd:

   To your credit, I appreciate the call you made to make things right
on Sunday morning.  Thank you for taking the time to call to give me the
proper codes and to tell me that you were changing the "crippled
software" problem to a much better solution.

   I'm sorry I got pissed off, and I apoligize.  Thanks for making it
right.

   Rudy


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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 375
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 11/09/93 12:10a
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: 11/11/93  6:53p                       Private: No

Hello Tim!

04 Nov 93, Tim Helton writes to Foxy Ferguson:


 ->> I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One nardy *^#%$
 ->> even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* the mail to the net's

But...But...But.... I do _give_ it to my net.

 TH> Like Greg said, there're folks out there who are scared to death of
 TH> Planet Connect - It puts their current *control* of the mail
 TH> distribution in jeopardy.

The major argument to the system in my net is the "Eggs in the basket" problem.
If my system crashes while I'm away (and who's doesn't [smile]) what does the
net do then?  It's a valid argument.

The current system in Net 141 is 14 people polling, 2 each night, for mail from
the stars then distrubuting it across the net for free.  My contribution to the
effort is the "other" echos not currently being polled for.  So far it's
working quite well.  I only supply a portion of the available echos and most of
them are fairly low to moderate traffic.  The system may change as others in
the area link into PC.

-><-Dennis



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From: IAN MCLAUGHLIN                         Number: 376
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 11/08/93  8:28p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 EJ> It is unfortunate that type of attitude exists.  A very
 EJ> nice marriage between Net sponsired CRP's and PC Sites
 EJ> can work wonders for the Sysops of a Net....

Hi there,
  We in Net 353 are going Satellite real soon now.  The only problem is the
economics.  I would be interested in hearing about net 153's "marriage between
the CRP and the PC Site".

Ian


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From: HECTOR MANDEL                          Number: 377
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/08/93  8:21p
Subj: 16550                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 07 12:42>, Todd Lyons of 1:3807/400 writes:

 >> I generate some traffic through the ethernet, like even one of
 >> the other machines requesting time synchronization, I get
 >> errors on the PC download when the machine running PC gets the
 >> query accross its NIC.  It seems that the network interface
 >> card's interrupts are seriously

 TL> what IRQ are you using?  I have 8 bit (SLOW) arcnet running on
 TL> IRQ 7 on my PConn machine and have no problems receiving files to
 TL> my server's hd, even with heavy network activity.  And YES I know
 TL> there is a big difference between the topologies/methodologies of
 TL> arcnet vs. ethernet.

It's running on IRQ 7.  I am using SMC...  Maybe it's Netware light?? *shrug*
This is annoying.

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 378
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/08/93  6:34p
Subj: RE: WHERE ARE YOU????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >  * Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50)
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Ahem.... Incorporated.

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 379
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/08/93  5:59a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > The command in:
 >
 > XU  port:?:ON



    Thanks much, Terry.  :)



                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 380
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/08/93  6:00a
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Well it must be the quality of my Crown:  I was wrong too.  16



    So drink some for me too, Todd...  I think I'm gonna need it.  <g>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 381
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 11/09/93  1:55a
Subj: Backbone                                Refer: NONE
Read: 11/11/93  6:54p                       Private: No

Tim--

Is PLANET_CONNECT going on the backbone or not? I have seen no mention of it in
any of the FIDONET.* files. Those that can't get it are cluttering up other
echos asking questions, and the users of those echos are getting fed up with
seeing questions about PC.

So what's the story on this? I asked Boyd a week+ ago, but haven't received any
response about this.

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 382
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/09/93  2:00a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Eddie--

 BG>> PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht        (Access denied)
 BG>> Genealogy        18/230      John Grove          (Access denied)
 BG>> dvnet            355/38      Peter Stern         (Access denied)
 BG>> cadnet           116/32      Stan Bimson         (Access denied)
 BG>> ansinet          116/29      KevFraggle          (Access denied)

 ER> Is this a definitive list of those refusing to allow their FDN to flow?

 ER> These folks have quite the nerve...Any immediate plans to implement areas
 ER> like the UTILNET2 for these also?

Hold off on hexing GSDS(genealogy). Us genealogy sysops are putting the screws
on them, and I think they are realizing the error of their ways! BTW - they
didn't say "access denied", per se. They decided last February to take a
"wait-and-see" attitude for 1 year. It was brought back up before the vox
populi a few days ago, and I think they are seeing that the moratorium ain't
gonna work! I anticipate that it will be allowed on PC by the end of the month.

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 383
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 11/09/93  2:06a
Subj: 16550                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Patty--

 PP>     And thanks much! for this timely answer also.  It's what had
 PP> me puzzled when folks were saying that the current software used the 16550
 PP> while PC support was saying Not!

Ok. So what version are you running as "current"? the 1009 one? Or have you
received a later dated version? The one that is coming my way daily is still
the 1009 one. Boyd keeps saying "in a few days". Well, when is that?????

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 384
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 11/09/93  2:08a
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tracy--

 TM> It was never my intention to start a netmail annoyance campaign. Fido
 TM> politics is often annoying all by its self with out any help.

I know. I hope you didn't think I was implying this, either.... I was just
cautioning against getting their dander up more, since I had seen some "dander"
in the genealogy echo about that netmail stuff.

 TM> On the other
 TM> hand, it doesn't get anybody anywhere if no one says anything hoping
 TM> they'll figure out we want the feed either.

And this I agree with. I'm on their case in regard to the GSDS file areas. So
are a LOT of other genealogy sysops, it turns out. I think people are going to
realize real soon that they are making a B I G mistake in disallowing their
areas on PC.

Ken

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 385
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/08/93  6:56p
Subj: SEENBYS.                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  > 3615/51 being our uplink computer. Please check all areas and remove
 > > it from your seenbys.
 > I've put this message in the echo to see if it has no seenby's. I took a
 > look in my control file and have removed that address from where it was
 > supposed to be. Please let me know if this situation continues.

Well basically, since *we* all got your message then you must have this
message area at least setup right.

See ya                                          Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 386
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/08/93  7:01p
Subj: Mail Bundles                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > There were mail bundles on Saturday with extensions which do not
 > conformto Fidonet ARCmail naming conventions:
 >
 > .FRB
 > .FRC
 >
 > Is there any way to remedy this?

FOR %%D IN (0000FFFF.*) DO PKUNZIP %%D
RBBSMAIL

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 387
  To: HECTOR MANDEL                            Date: 11/07/93 10:07a
Subj: 16550                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Hector,

I'm running Novell with 24 EtherNet Stations, a Uart and BNU. Not one
single problem, even when I spy on the systems remotely. Had to step up
to a KU dish as used by the banks for data exchange though.

Regards,
Hans

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 388
  To: HECTOR MANDEL                            Date: 11/07/93 10:11a
Subj: 16550                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Hector,

I'm running Novell with 24 EtherNet Stations, a Uart and BNU. Not one
single problem, even when I spy on the systems remotely. Had to step up
to a KU dish as used by the banks for data exchange though. All stations
run 33/40 Mhz 386SX boards.

Regards,
Hans

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 389
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 11/11/93  6:35p
Subj: Eastern Standard Time                   Refer: 335
Read: NO                                    Private: No

->      Laz
->
-> (this is my first full day running one here. I am a newbe!)
                                                       ^^^^^
We all are - that's what makes it so neat :)

tim
moderator
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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 390
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/12/93  3:16a
Subj: Backbone                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TL> > So what's the story on this? I asked Boyd a week+ ago, but haven't
TL> > received any response about this.

TL>have to pick a moderator and post on the ZEC echo.

Uh, Todd?  Don't I recall Tim Helton being installed as Moderator?
Dang, but my memory is going. ;-)

TL>                                     Then you have to get 25+
TL>nodes (NOT a problem) then get two region coordinators to ask for it (THAT
TL>may be a problem since NO region coordinators that I know of are getting it
TL>right now)

Time will take care of that methinks.

TL>Maybe George, Dave, and John S carry some weight for us then ;)

Why, sure! One STAR should be worth half-a-dozen REC's, hummmm ???

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 391
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/12/93  6:08p
Subj: ELIST                                   Refer: 373
Read: NO                                    Private: No

->                 Is there a reason that Planet_Connect was restricted
->    Planet_Connect systems only or was that an error? Check the ELIST

The distribution of PLANET_CONNECT isn't restricted at all... When I
added PLANET_CONNECT to the ELIST, I listed the distribution as "Any
Planet Connect Site".  As soon as we get on the Z1 BACKBONE, I'll
change the verbage to "Z1 BACKBONE".  Until then, chill.

PLANET_CONNECT should be on the backbone here shortly.... Getting an
echo on the backbone isn't a 5 minute/1 phone call deal.  You have to
convince the ZEC that's its worthy of backbone distribution - that
usually takes several netmail messages which proves a "demand" for
the echo.

If *you* want to help out in this cause, send DAN BUDA (1:1/200) a
polite netmail message requesting that PLANET_CONNECT be added to the
backbone, with a copy forwarded to your region coordinator.  I'm already
doing this, but a few more requests from the users wouldn't hurt.

->    so people can find out what is going on and stop posting about Sat
->    downlink technology in every other echo in the universe (e.g.-TVRO
->    What's everyone else think?

I've already done this... Some moderators take exception to advertising
*other* echos in *their* echos, so I have to post these "ads" in
moderation.  Sure, I could splatter up 10 zillion messages advertising
this echo, but if I did the moderators may perceive us as imperialistic
& threatening - taking away their users... We've got to be graceful in
how we promote this thing and I'm doing the best I can.

tim
moderator

Voice: 404-621-9210
FAX  : [phone]
Fido : 1:133/515
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From: MIKE LESTER                            Number: 392
  To: THOMAS KINNEN                            Date: 11/11/93 10:22a
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

THOMAS KINNEN wrote in a message to MIKE LESTER:

TK> Is you NEC running a dedicated dish?  We are usually only
TK> 12-20 hours behind what we would get if polling 5 times a
TK> day.  The small lag is worth the savings in phone calls.

 The NEC here has nothing to do with the dish, it is mine. i am furnishing
 the echos to the locals for free. funny, some are complaining BIG TIME
 about that too...


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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 393
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 11/11/93  5:20p
Subj: PC SOFTWARE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well, I do you the *EC structure credit. They've done a wonderful job in the
past. I don't know, however, about the dupes, ramming(what's that?) etc that
they have to contend with... I was a mail relay for a long time, and I don't
think it's any different - just a different set of sysops with higher or lower
mail volumes. The process remains the same.

Regards


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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 394
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 11/11/93  5:22p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > ps: your statement was in poor taste.

Yup, it was. Sorry if I offended you. I thought it was appropriate at the time.



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From: ROGER BROWN                            Number: 395
  To: MARK STENNETT                            Date: 11/11/93  1:31a
Subj: FEED                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Who do I talk to about the specific hardware requirements to receive
-> the signal?

I would be more than happy to spend as much time as you (or anyone
else) need to help you with your hardware requirements. I have
installed several dishes, and have considerable knowledge of satellite
communications.

Roger Brown
InterComm
[phone] Voice
1:213/830
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From: ROGER BROWN                            Number: 396
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 11/11/93  5:41a
Subj: C VS. KU VS. LATITUDE                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Richard I will try to answer some of your questions.  The ability to
receive a perfect picture (or data signal) is based on the following.

The signal strength of the satellite transponder, Your geographical
location as satellites have distinct footprints (Ku-band even more so),
signal gain of your dish, and the noise temperature of your LNB (Low
Noise Block Amplifier), and the signal threshold of the receiver.

In my experience the 2 most important factors in a sucessful
installation is having a large enough dish and as low of a noise
temperature LNB.  When I started installing satellite systems the
average noise temp was 115 degrees Kelvin with expensive LNB's rated at
100.  Today you can buy reasonably priced LNB with 35 to 45 degree temps
for under $200.  I also suggest that if in doubt you buy the larger dish
unless the installation (or zoning) restricts it's size.  In your
location an 10 foot dish with a 45 degree LNB should be more than
enough, however I would listen to local installers, as they will have
direct knowledge of the requirements for your area.  A C band dish can
use a KU-Band LNB on it.  You can buy dual band feed horns to run both C
and KU on the same dish.  You may have problem with older "mesh" dishes
as the perforated holes are too large for KU-Band.  Any new dish you buy
should have no problem.  I have not seen that great of an increase in
performance in buying a large C-band dish to run a KU-band system on it.

As far as atmospheric conditions go KU-Band has a real problem with
attenuation of the signal during rain and snow.  Years ago I worked for
the local NBC affiliate as an engineer.  They were in the process of
setting up the program feed via satellite.  I saw many studies that were
done.  NBC wanted to make sure that *ALL* of the affiliates could
receive broadcast quality pictures in all weather conditions.  NBC did
go KU-Band but they used 15 and 20 foot dishes for areas that had little
or no rain and 30 foot dishes in rainy areas.  My feeling is that unless
you receive good local advice to go KU, stay away from it, as you
receive quite a bit of rain.  FYI I am using a C-Band system for planet
connect.  Feel free to contact me voice or Net Mail, if you have any
other questions.  I also suggest purchasing a book called "The Satellite
TV Handbook" by Anthony T. Easton.  ISBN 0-672-22055-5  It gives all the
formulas for caculating system gain if you want to figure your
requirements the "smart way".  It also gives advice on how to avoid and
combat "TI"

Roger Brown
InterComm [phone] BBS
          [phone] Voice
          [phone] Fax
          1:213/830
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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 397
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 11/10/93  1:26a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave James wrote in a message to Eddie Rowe:

DJ> Eddie Rowe wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

BG> PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht        (Access denied)
BG> Genealogy        18/230      John Grove          (Access denied)
BG> dvnet            355/38      Peter Stern         (Access denied)
BG> cadnet           116/32      Stan Bimson         (Access denied)
BG> ansinet          116/29      KevFraggle          (Access denied)

ER> Is this a definitive list of those refusing to allow their
ER> FDN to flow?

DJ> DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution,
DJ> with DVNET having the most extensive, of which I am a member
DJ> since it's inception...

If its on the filebone then it certainly isnt 'private'
distribution.......

DJ> Considering that CADNET is very specific, and geared towards
DJ> folks that can afford to purchase a $3000 dollar software
DJ> package, and at least another $20,000 for the hardware, it
DJ> has the least impact I'm sure... (IMHO)

Those prices are VERY exagerated....in particular the hardware price......I for
one have several folks in engineering school that call here who are very
disappointed that its not availible.....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 398
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 11/10/93  1:32a
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dennis Powers wrote in a message to Tim Helton:

 ->> I'm getting the same thing from our nodes here, Greg. One nardy *^#%$
 ->> even had the gall to suggest that we *GIVE* the mail to the net's

DP> But...But...But.... I do _give_ it to my net.

 TH> Like Greg said, there're folks out there who are scared to death of
 TH> Planet Connect - It puts their current *control* of the mail
 TH> distribution in jeopardy.

DP> The major argument to the system in my net is the "Eggs in
DP> the basket" problem. If my system crashes while I'm away
DP> (and who's doesn't [smile]) what does the net do then?  It's
DP> a valid argument.

Hmmmmmm so before PC came along you had 2 or more systems importing the
-same- echos for redundancies sake?......IF not then whats the difference? If
the importing system goes down then folks wait for it to come back
up......Doesnt matter if they were on PC or Ma Bell.

As for what they do........They wait......Its a hobby not a business, stuff
happens.

DP> The current system in Net 141 is 14 people polling, 2 each
DP> night, for mail from the stars then distrubuting it across
DP> the net for free.  My contribution to the effort is the
DP> "other" echos not currently being polled for.  So far it's
DP> working quite well.  I only supply a portion of the
DP> available echos and most of them are fairly low to moderate
DP> traffic.  The system may change as others in the area link
DP> into PC.

Sounds like an awful lot of trouble and config watching for something that
simply isnt that important.

[e-mail]

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 399
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 11/10/93 11:51a
Subj: one more thing...                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ozz Nixon wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

-> Perhaps you need FASTA20.sys... I does something to prevent

ON>         I TRIED THAT... It does do something for the
ON> computer. Before I could never get Desqview to run on my
ON> machine that runs the BBS. I installed that and DV would run
ON> for about 20-30 minutes then puke.

ON>         If you have any *ANY* ideas let me know...

All I can offer is what is working perfectly for me try this stuff in your
config.sys:

SHELL=C:COMMAND.COM /p /e:172
device=fasta20.sys
DEVICE=QEMM386.Sys R:1  ON MAPS=6 HANDLES=40 RAM ST:M NW3 I=0400-0FFF
                        (put this on the line above)       x=0000-03ff
dos=high,umb
files=50
BUFFERS=15
fcbs=16,8
stacks=0,0
lastdrive=p


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 400
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 11/10/93 11:55a
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Ozz   Nixon   wrote   in   a    message    to    Terry    Blount:

-> be processed to build a tic  file  or a files.bbs   ....I already have
-> written a  utility  to  take  the info from File_id.diz and  put  it  into
-> the  files.bbs  format.

ON>         Well locally we are testing my RTP.EXE (Tic
ON> Processor) that will  read  tic's  and  make  DIZ's  ...  and/or
ON> include the DIZ over the TIC description.  It  is  currently  in
ON> Alpha Stages...

 I also wrote a program to build the .DIZ  files  and  shove  then
 inside  the  archive...  however I  didn't  like  the  effect  of
 changing the archive date when the new .DIZ file was  added.   In
 order to do it right such a program should set the  date  of  the
 .DIZ file to the date of the archive and then shove  it  in  with
 the   -k   parameter.    Too   much   sugar    for   a    dime...

ON> information to  the  FOSSIL  -  Excellent  for  QWK  mail  doors
ON> that shell to PKZIP and  the  user  sits  there  wondering  what
ON> is going on!

 Humm... I have never seen a QWK door that did not tell  the  user
 that is was "preparing their download" or  something  like  that.

 If you set up a ram disk and put pkzip in  it  and  use  the  ram
 disk for your default QWK door work area it  will  prepare  their
 download so fast that the user won't have time to read a message.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 401
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 11/10/93 12:01p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Ozz   Nixon   wrote   in   a    message    to    Terry    Blount:

-> In theory... and in many  areas  YES.   But  in  MOST  areas  the bachelor
-> lifestyle has prevailed so long that the  compromise  of marriage is
-> perceived as a threat.

ON>            Locally  we  went  threw  that  stage...  the  ending
ON> result is finally starting to unfold  in  a  happy  honeymoon...

 Let me guess... you  are  going  to  spend  your  honeymoon  bird
 watching  rather  than  writing  checks  to  your  ma...   <grin>

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 402
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 11/10/93 12:09p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Ed Marquis wrote in a message to Dave James:

 > BG> PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht        (Access denied)
 > BG> Genealogy        18/230      John Grove          (Access denied)
 > BG> dvnet            355/38      Peter Stern         (Access denied)
 > BG> cadnet           116/32      Stan Bimson         (Access denied)
 > BG> ansinet          116/29      KevFraggle          (Access denied)

EM> I wonder what the shareware authors would  think  of  these  FDN
EM> administrators refusing a major  distribution  system  like  PC.

EM> I think we should start our  own  alternatives  to  these  FDN's
EM> and blow the old ones out of the bitstream.

 Perhaps a mose subtle way of phrasing this would result  in  less
 violence... <g>

EM> Perhaps there
EM> are people now receiving  PC  service  that  are  close  to  the
EM> top  of  some  of  these  FDN's  who  could  assist  in  letting
EM> shareware authors know that PC exists.

 They need a phone number to  upload  their  shareware  to  before
 this will do any good.  Get Boyd to set up a  shareware  author's
 service  and  then  we  can  beat  the  bushes   and   sell   it.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 403
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/10/93 12:12p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Dave James:

 DJ> DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution, with DVNET
 DJ> having the most extensive, of which I am a member since it's inception...

KJ> Well, can you lobby for us then? There are a LOT of us who
KJ> are using DESQview, and with the advent of the new version
KJ> supposedly supporting multitasking, it would be great to
KJ> have access to the DVnet files!!!!

Amen... count me in... The last cd I pressed has so few DV
support files I just killed that directory and tossed them into the general DOS
utilities.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 404
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 11/11/93 12:00p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
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 Dennis   Powers   wrote   in  a   message    to    Ed    Marquis:


DP>    With  out  all  the  gory  details,  there  have  been  legal
DP>  precedents  established  in  several  states  concerning    the
DP>  shareware  authors  right  in  determining  the    distribution
DP> channels his/her work  may  take.    Several  Shareware  authors
DP> have explicitly  stated  that  they  would  seek  legal  redress
DP> against the PDN  (Janis)  if  their  work  was  distributed  via
DP> the satellite system.

 I simply can't believe this...   why  would  someone  who  writes
 shareware want to prohibit me from putting it on my  board  based
 on the method used to  transfer  it?   What  if  they  said  they
 were only going to allow their programs to be transferred by  MCI
 and anyone using Sprint or AT&T would be in  violation  of  their
 "approved" distribution channels?   Trying to prohibit  satellite
 transmission vs. phone line transmission is same BS as trying  to
 limit distribution to MCI.

 This is nothing more than the  classical  legal  argument  that a
 young lawyer named Abraham  Lincoln  was  involved  in  when  the
 steamboat  company  wanted  to  prevent  another   company   from
 building a bridge across the river. When the case was  tried  Mr.
 Lincoln summarized the question clearly and simply...  do  people
 who want to cross over the river have the same  right  as  people
 who want to go up and down the river.... the answer is of  course
 they do.

 If a shareware author is going to allow me to possess a  copy  of
 their work they don't have the right to tell  me  how I  can  get
 it.

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 405
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/11/93  9:54a
Subj: Missing Children's Gif's                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Is your system configured for *US* to hatch into the missing children's gif
network?  We have contacted our local media (6:00 news no less) about
publicizing the satellite connection firstly, and secondly the BBS scene and
their relationship.  The *FIRST* thing they wanted to see was the missing
children's gif network.  As there has been no traffic for the past month or
so, I would like to know if we can generate some traffic.  If not through you
then I guess I'll have to contact directly the following people.

Heidi Search Center BBS   FIDO 1:387/622  [phone]

Russell Coombs            FIDO 1:2612/107  or RIME net

This has the potential to get (local bbs's at least) in a *DAMN GOOD* light in
the local public's eyes.  With the rash of "adult" bbs's being raided, this is
a VERY positive aspect and can generate press not only for us locally, but all
PC sites around the US and Canada.

We just have to be able to hatch out our own area's missing children's gif.
Whether I can create them and hatch them directly, or send the necessary info
to the two names above, I am in the process of finding out.

This note is also being forwarded to the above two names.

See ya                                                                  Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 406
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/11/93  8:33p
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Who has it for freq?

What file name?

(v.32bis please).

See ya                                                Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 407
  To: RICK MISCAVISH                           Date: 11/11/93  8:35p
Subj: OS/2 2.1ga                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hello,
 >     What I'd like to know is, can you run the planet_connect software
 > under OS/2 2.1.

Apparently not.  Especially if you're going to be running something else with
it.

DV support is coming out real soon, bug them enough to add OS/2 support and it
might become a reality very quickly.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 408
  To: THOMAS KINNEN                            Date: 11/11/93  8:39p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > ML>   The local NEC says the Planet Connect Echos are running 2 days
 > behindML>   what they were normally used to getting thru the land lines.
 > can you
 > Is you NEC running a dedicated dish?  We are usually only 12-20 hours

We are not 2 days behind either.  Usually 12-20 hours, just like you.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 409
  To: RUDY HEHN                                Date: 11/11/93  8:43p
Subj: 16550                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > -> the machine running PC gets the query accross its NIC.  It seems that
 > -> the network interface card's interrupts are seriously interfering
 > I get the same problem using Lantastic and I do have 16 bit cards.
 > PTCCMAIN is running on my server as it's the only machine with enough
 > free space. We do need a new version that's compatible with the 16550
 > and SERVER.

I threw together a 386SX with a mono monitor/card and an 8 bit arcnet card
coming in through a 16550.  I have no hard drive in the machine, which is a
workstation and boots into the server from a floppy.  I download to and
process on the server's hard drive directly; all PC programs, mail
processing, and file processing programs are on the server.  Even got the
thing running under DV in this setup (only got two megs of ram).  What can I
say except that it runs?

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: KEITH WINEKA                           Number: 410
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/10/93  7:54a
Subj: Mail Bundles                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> .FRB
 >> .FRC

 >> Is there any way to remedy this?

 >    This is a new extended charactor set. If your tosser does not handle
 > the new format you will have to manually extract the ones with
 > extensions of A to Z.

A batch file might also take care of this.

By the way, still waiting on my info package.  ;-)

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From: KEITH WINEKA                           Number: 411
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/10/93  1:06p
Subj: Things...                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  You mean Windows... from  that same fine company that brought  us
 >  edline? <g>   I haven't had any difficulty  in  running  ptccmain
 >  from a DV window.  I found  that  changing  my  tics  to 1  and 1
 >  prevented  that  occasional  error  when  changing  windows.    I
 >  enabled my fifo with XU ... a program that is included  with  the
 >  X00 fossil driver (XT port:?:ON)

What sort of cpu are you running?

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 412
  To: HECTOR MANDEL                            Date: 11/11/93  1:03p
Subj: 16550                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Hector,

-> Hmmm...that's not Netware Lite you're referring to, right?  I doubt
-> it since you say you have 24 nodes.  I'm running netware LITE and I
-> think there is a definite difference.  What do you think?

Yes you are quite correct. NetWare LITE, alike Lantastic are LAN's using
the DOS Kernel/operating system to access your (harddrive) data. DOS
isn't very well suited for pseudo multitasking and some thruput
improvement can be gained by a large amount of disk cache memory. Still
all data has to be moved between the disk cache and the first meg of
memory only directly accessible by DOS. I know of many systems that
ground to a halt with 20 station online. NOVELL is quite different and
you can consider it as a very smart harddrive at the end of your coax or
twisted pair cable. Its only function is to serve and monitor data and
can do it very effectively using all its available memory. NOVELL runs
in real mode, thus it addresses its data memory immediatly up to 16MEG
if you use an ISA based PC or up to 4GIG? if you use an EISA base PC for
a Novell server. NOVELL doesn't use your DOS kernel at all for disk
functions, but runs above it. Totally freeing up your DOS system at each
station. Sum total, a much and much higher efficiency. I suggest to
check the price of say a 5 or 10 station Novell system. You only pay the
price once. By the time you reach 5 stations, you'll find out the a 5
station Novell system cost about the same as paying 5 time the cost for
each station as under a LAN.

I hope I made some sense,
Regards,
Hans

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 413
  To: KEITH WINEKA                             Date: 11/12/93 12:30p
Subj: Things...                               Refer: NONE
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 Keith   Wineka   wrote   in  a   message   to    Terry    Blount:

 >  You mean Windows... from  that same fine company that brought  us
 >  edline? <g>   I haven't had any difficulty  in  running  ptccmain
 >  from a DV window.  I found  that  changing  my  tics  to 1  and 1
 >  prevented  that  occasional  error  when  changing  windows.    I
 >  enabled my fifo with XU ... a program that is included  with  the
 >  X00 fossil driver (XT port:?:ON)

KW> What sort of cpu are you running?

 I ran it for about a month  on a  40  mhz  386..intel   under  DV
 then about a month ago I moved it to my 66 mnz 486 running  under
 DV.   If Boyd would only shorten those sessions  so I  could  run
 it on a ram disc I would be delighted!

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 414
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/11/93  7:34p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 10 20:29>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG> Ok. Now heres my polling times for 396/1. At 6:00 am I poll. At
 BG>5 pm I poll. At 1:30 am I poll. Now all that gets sent to the
 BG>uplink at 5 am to be sent over the sat at 7:30 am. While it is
 BG>uploading I am still getting stuff from 396/1 on node 2 which
 BG>will go up in the following days mail. Some are a day old, some
 BG>are 12 hours old and some is 6 hours old.

Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the 6am poll to John is
processed for that days uplink.  I'd rather get all of it an hour late, then
some of it 24 hours later.

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 415
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 11/11/93  6:40p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ed Marquis wrote in a message to Dave James:

 > BG> PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht        (Access denied)
 > BG> Genealogy        18/230      John Grove          (Access denied)
 > BG> dvnet            355/38      Peter Stern         (Access denied)
 > BG> cadnet           116/32      Stan Bimson         (Access denied)
 > BG> ansinet          116/29      KevFraggle          (Access denied)

EM> I wonder what the shareware authors would think of these FDN
EM> administrators refusing a major distribution system like PC.

Small note for you..  It's because of the AUTHORS that the admins aren't
going to the bird.

Good news is, is that PDN is getting restructured (assuming there is no major
objection) in such a way that the PDN no longer keeps an open-hatch policy
(anyone can hatch into the network).  She will be able to control which files
get the bird that way, respecting the authors' wishes when they don't want to
fly the friendly skies.

EM> I think we should start our own alternatives to these FDN's
EM> and blow the old ones out of the bitstream.  Perhaps there
EM> are people now receiving PC service that are close to the
EM> top of some of these FDN's who could assist in letting
EM> shareware authors know that PC exists.

They're WELL aware..  :-)  If they weren't, PDN (as well as some others)
would have never objected to the bird.


Jason Fesler
[e-mail]


... Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up.
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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 416
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/12/93  5:58p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
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In a msg on <Nov 11 12:00>, Terry Blount writes:

 TB> If a shareware author is going to allow me to possess a  copy  of their
 TB>work they don't have the right to tell  me  how I  can  get it.

Sounds simple to me.  We just find out who those authors are and do a DEL on
their programs.  They want me to pay more for distributing their wares, I'll
just refuse the display space.

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 417
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 11/12/93  6:01p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
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In a msg on <Nov 10 19:37>, Dennis Powers writes:

 DP>Several Shareware authors have explicitly stated that they would seek
 DP>legal redress against the PDN (Janis) if their work was distributed via
 DP>the satellite system.

Please ask Janis who these shareware authors are.  And have her advise them
that we will no longer be providing them sales space on our system.

If I'm not wrong, I think this is what's called 'politics'.  :-)

 DP>  1) Open hatching must be discontinued in order to have tighter
 DP>control of the distribution channel that the files may take.

Open hatching need no more be discontinued then open replies to echomail.  All
we have to do is set Boyd up with Raid or Allfix.

 DP>  2) A method of forwarding submissions to the PDN headquarters
 DP>must be established to allow for central hatching of the files.

Not necessary, what they can't see is that PC is nothing more than a
sophisticated MaBell....   MaBoyd...  Ahem!  PaBoyd if you will.

Thanks Dennis,

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 418
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/12/93  6:11p
Subj: PC SOFTWARE                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 11 17:20>, Chris Wiesner writes:

 CW>Well, I do you the *EC structure credit. They've done a wonderful
 CW>job in the past. I don't know, however, about the dupes,
 CW>ramming(what's that?) etc that they have to contend with...

Thanks much.  We try.  :-)

"Ramming" is the word used by echomail terriorist when they dump hundreds of
bogus messages into an echo.  There has been quite a lot of that in the past
few months.  A few echos have been pulled from the backbone because of it.  In
this net along I've trapped in excess of 3000 bogus messages dumped on local
boards and hubs.  Secure operations have become a must.  As well as software
that "screens" for possible bogus messages.

 CW>I was a mail relay for a long time, and I don't think it's any
 CW>different - just a different set of sysops with higher or lower
 CW>mail volumes. The process remains the same.

It's a lot more political today.  Yeh we still pump mail, but also filebone
stuff and routed netmail... and a lot more of it.  To me there is a lot more
involved in it then a few years ago.  And where it used to be a hobby that
people enjoyed, it has now become more of a business where sysops feel they
have a right to and demand of echomail and files.  If the mail is late, these
people can get down right mean!

We used to enjoy the hobby for the sake of what we could do with computers and
modems, now it's the public interfacing provided by the conferences.  And the
transport media is becoming more of a public utility.  Still there are those of
us that enjoy it simply for the sake of being of service to others.  :-)

D.

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 419
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 11/12/93  4:48a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >   With out all the gory details, there have been legal precedents
 > established in several states concerning the shareware authors
 > right in determining the distribution channels his/her work may
 > take.  Several Shareware authors have explicitly stated that they
 > would seek legal redress against the PDN (Janis) if their work was
 > distributed via the satellite system.

I can't imagine why these shareware authors are concerned about
distribution control when the FDN's are all so open to begin with.
It would seem more logical to cut off a few hypersensitive shareware
authors from distribution than to cut off a large number of potential
distribution sites.  PC Sites will, if anything increase the distribution
possibilities of the various FDN's.  It seems to me that wider
distribution is "better" for Shareware authors.

Do all Shareware authors have a "right" to PDN distribution in these several
states?

 > Please remember that the FDN heads are all volunteer!  Remember
 > that word: "volunteer".  They collect, process, distribute,

I understand this very well, being an echomail coordinator and distributor
myself.

 > So, when there is a posibility of
 > legal action being taken, due to the way shareware is distributed,
 > it is in the FDN head's best interest to be cautious.

No argument here!

Ed

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 420
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/12/93  7:54p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
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 > EM> I think we should start our  own  alternatives  to  these  FDN's
 > EM> and blow the old ones out of the bitstream.

 >  Perhaps a mose subtle way of phrasing this would result  in  less
 >  violence... <g>

I didn't mean it literally of course <g>

Ed

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 421
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 11/12/93  7:53p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Interesting input about the shareware authors reluctance and litigation threats
about distribution via PC. I guess I'm struggling to understand their
(shareware authors) reluctance and what possible reasons they would have to sue
over distribution of their software. Can you provide some additional insight
into this?

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 422
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/12/93  7:06p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
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 > DJ> DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution,
 > DJ> with DVNET having the most extensive, of which I am a member
 > DJ> since it's inception...
 >
 > If its on the filebone then it certainly isnt 'private'
 > distribution.......

One of the points that Peter Stern made to me about DVNet is that it's a
misconception that DVNet is on the Filebone.  It's not (according to him).  I
was under the impression that if it was in FILEBONE.NA then it was on the
filebone, but he assures me not.  I dunno.

 > price......I for one have several folks in engineering school that call
 > here who are very disappointed that its not availible.....

Ditto, myself included among those EE students that were looking forward to
it.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 423
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/12/93  7:11p
Subj: Backbone                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TL>Maybe George, Dave, and John S carry some weight for us then ;)
 >
 > Why, sure! One STAR should be worth half-a-dozen REC's, hummmm ???

I would think so :)  Hey, that's an interesting tagline....

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 424
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/12/93  5:57a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
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Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Dave James:

KJ> Dave--

 DJ> DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution, with DVNET
 DJ> having the most extensive, of which I am a member since it's inception...

KJ> Well, can you lobby for us then? There are a LOT of us who
KJ> are using DESQview, and with the advent of the new version
KJ> supposedly supporting multitasking, it would be great to
KJ> have access to the DVnet files!!!!

You have access, all you have to do is FREQ them, or logon to the BBS(oh what
fun that would be) <grin>

Peter Stern is whom you would have to convince...

Dave

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 425
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 11/12/93  5:59a
Subj: 16550                                   Refer: NONE
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Ozz Nixon wrote in a message to Ken Jackson:

ON>         Boyd and I are shocked but I am running the whole
ON> inbound into a 286/20 with 4MB Ram and 2MB Cache on an old
ON> ST251 (not the -I series). I am running with 8250's and no

I wonder how he really feels, seeing as how I do it with a 8088/10mhz on a old
40meg segate mfm setup <g>

Dave

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 426
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/12/93  6:06a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
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Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Dave James:

DJ> Considering that CADNET is very specific, and geared towards
DJ> folks that can afford to purchase a $3000 dollar software
DJ> package, and at least another $20,000 for the hardware, it
DJ> has the least impact I'm sure... (IMHO)

GS> Those prices are VERY exagerated....in particular the
GS> hardware price......I for one have several folks in
GS> engineering school that call here who are very disappointed
GS> that its not availible.....

How do you figure? autocad is $3,000 (software) and let's see, digitizer pad,
oh another $400 for a nice one, now we get to the really nice toys that support
it... how about a 20" monitor, thats oh $2500 or so, and then there is the
plotter, say $15,000 for a decent one that does blue print sizes... is that
close enough to the $20,000 mark yet or should I just keep going? I was
referring to the 'real' autocad folks, not the ones that just futs around with
it.

Dave

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From: MICHAEL REEVES                         Number: 427
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/12/93  4:35p
Subj: Planet Connect Satellite                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

For those of you who are still a bit nervous (who isn't) about
"satellite" I wanted to offer some reassurance. Two days ago my
satellite receiver  went down (faulty power supply). While that is not
encouraging, I was very pleased with what happened next. Planet Connect

1)shipped out a new receiver promptly at no cost to me

2)during the two day shipment period (fastest I could get), I was able
to poll all the mail packets from Planet Connect.  They keep a 7 day
supply of mail packets which can be gotten via phone if for some reason
you miss several feeds in a row for some reason. Thus no mail was lost
at all during the "down time".

Nice job Planet Connect!


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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 428
  To: MIKE LESTER                              Date: 11/12/93  8:16p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mike!

In a message to Thomas Kinnen <11/11/93> Mike Lester wrote:

ML>  The NEC here has nothing to do with the dish, it is mine. i am furnishin
ML>  the echos to the locals for free. funny, some are complaining BIG TIME
ML>  about that too...

That sounds like the story here also.

Tom

 * WCE 1.10/2101 * Ultimate office automation:  Networked coffee machines!

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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 429
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/12/93  6:09p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hmmmmmm so before PC came along you had 2 or more systems importing the
-> -same- echos for redundancies sake?......IF not then whats the difference?
-> If the importing system goes down then folks wait for it to come back
-> up......Doesnt matter if they were on PC or Ma Bell.
->
-> As for what they do........They wait......Its a hobby not a business, stuff
-> happens.

Actually Greg, the correct answer to this one is....

Somebody with access to the necessary control files calls Tennessee and
downloads (FREQ's) the packets via Land line, then tosses and distributes them.

I found this one out two weeks ago when my satellite went down with a dead
modem. Turns out the problem wasn't the hardware, it was the idiot (ME) trying
to retune and re-aim the dish. I don't know what I tuned into, but it wasn't G4
or anything remotely similar. NICE signal strength though. 3 days of
downloading 6-9Mb at 14,400. Ouch.

Now if we can just educate the PC users to give the correct answer to **C's
when they ask about or object to Planet Connect. There IS a failsafe, let's
teach people what it is.
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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 430
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/12/93 11:01p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TB> Ozz   Nixon   wrote   in   a    message    to    Terry    Blount:

TB>-> In theory... and in many  areas  YES.   But  in  MOST  areas  the bachelo
TB>-> lifestyle has prevailed so long that the  compromise  of marriage is
TB>-> perceived as a threat.

TB>ON>            Locally  we  went  threw  that  stage...  the  ending
TB>ON> result is finally starting to unfold  in  a  happy  honeymoon...

TB> Let me guess... you  are  going  to  spend  your  honeymoon  bird
TB> watching  rather  than  writing  checks  to  your  ma...   <grin>

hehehehe... that's good, Terry.  and how goes the shotgun wedding in
in your area?

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From: HECTOR MANDEL                          Number: 431
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 11/11/93  8:08p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
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In a msg on <Nov 10 19:37>, Dennis Powers of 1:141/1135 writes:

 DP> Reasons for not allowing distribution:

 DP>   With out all the gory details, there have been legal precedents
 DP> established in several states concerning the shareware authors
 DP> right in determining the distribution channels his/her work may
 DP> take.  Several Shareware authors have explicitly stated that they
 DP> would seek legal redress against the PDN (Janis) if their work
 DP> was distributed via the satellite system.

 DP>   The current distribution channels of the PDN allow for open
 DP> hatching of all files.  Using this type of topology does not
 DP> allow the FDN coordinator enough control of the hatchings to
 DP> prevent files (at the authors request) from being distributed via
 DP> the satellite system.

I appreciate the fact that you took the time to post your remarks.  On the
other hand, it's too bad you left out "the gory datails."  I can understand,
the PDN coordinator's wish to avoid hastles from litigous shareware authors.
What I don't understand is what possible reasonable objections the authors
would have to their software being distributed via satellite.  This just
doesn't make any sense to  me and I suspect it is because of my ignorance of
some of those gory details.  So could you please elaborate on some of these
reasons?

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 432
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 11/12/93  7:58a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


*** Answering a msg posted in area PLANET_CONNECT (Planet Connect).

Hello Dennis!

10 Nov 93, Dennis Powers writes to Ed Marquis:

 DP> Reasons for not allowing distribution:

 DP>   With out all the gory details, there have been legal precedents
 DP> established in several states concerning the shareware authors right in
 DP> determining the distribution channels his/her work may take.

Which states?  When were the cases in court?

 DP> Several
 DP> Shareware authors have explicitly stated that they would seek legal
 DP> redress against the PDN (Janis) if their work was distributed via the
 DP> satellite system.

Which authors?  Why do they not want the largest possible potential sites for
their software?  What about other sites uploading to the PC feed after
downloading the file from a PDN site?  Something is not right here..

 DP>   The current distribution channels of the PDN allow for open hatching of
 DP> all files.  Using this type of topology does not allow the FDN coordinator
 DP> enough control of the hatchings to prevent files (at the authors request)
 DP> from being distributed via the satellite system.

It still does not make sense, given the legal nature of shareware..

 DP>   1) Open hatching must be discontinued in order to have tighter control
 DP> of the distribution channel that the files may take.  The open hatching
 DP> was/is one of the prime concepts of the PDN system.  Changes of this type
 DP> don't come easy.

The issue of absolute control has been discussed and the possible authentic
reason for moves such as PDN has taken..

 DP>   2) A method of forwarding submissions to the PDN headquarters must be
 DP> established to allow for central hatching of the files.  This will
 DP> entail the coordination of the PDN "hubs" in the US and Europe to enable
 DP> the files to reliabily reach the PDN headquarters.

It would seem to be easy to create AREA-NS (non-satellite) to allow feeding.  I
can't imagine that the problem is real!  I can't imagine an author doesn't want
his files getting to as many possible registrants as possible.  It simply
defies logic.

 DP> I fully understand you'rs and other's frustration concerning the
 DP> distribution of FDN's via the satellite system.  It would be nice to "get
 DP> it all" from the sky in order to cut our costs.  After all why else did we
 DP> subscribe to the system?  But there are many other variables involved in
 DP> the distribution of the Shareware files, both legal and monetary.

 DP> Please remember that the FDN heads are all volunteer!

If that is true, then your last sentence "both legal and monetary" makes no
sense.

 DP> great deal of personal time in coordinating an FDN.  So, when there is a
 DP> posibility of legal action being taken, due to the way shareware is
 DP> distributed, it is in the FDN head's best interest to be cautious.   The

Or simply not distribute that particular file.  I just find it incredulous that
it is REALLY an issue..  I note you are careful not to mention any details like
specific states where legal action has taken place, specific authors that have
a problem with this method of transmission so that someone can research the
objections and verify if there is any real threat.

 DP> time and money it takes to fight even a frivolous suit would close the FDN
 DP> an wreak havoc with the FDN head's live.  We live in a time where
 DP> litigation is the norm and, when $ are involved, as with shareware, even
 DP> volunteers who's motives are alrustic are not exempt.

But something is not ringing true in your explanation here..  Can you tell us
of any author that refuses to have his software transmitted via satellite, and
why he would object, and how he considers it different than a phone feed to a
bbs where anyone can call in and get it?  It just doesn't make any sense.

 DP> I can assure you that all efforts are being made by the PDN to avail
 DP> itself of the new technology, I too, as coordinator of the BFDS FDN, am
 DP> taking a carefull approach to the Satellite feed, as it pertains to
 DP> file distribution.  Time will tell it merits and/or drawbacks and in the
 DP> end the best method, both legal and logistic, will win out.

Somehow this seems like a light side-stepping of answering the questions
directly.  As a shareware author, I would never consider limiting the methods
that my software were sent out to prospective registrees..  That's the whole
concept of distribution, ESPECIALLY shareware distribution.

Again, I would ask for some specifics, so that we can research the alleged
legal pitfalls, and see if it is 1%, 10%, 50% of PDN authors.  If 1%-10%, it
would seem very easy to correct, and I simply do not believe it could be more
than that.

Rick

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 433
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/11/93  9:50a
Subj: WHERE ARE YOU????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Chris Wiesner:

 CW>  Ahem.... Incorporated.

KJ> Maybe that's Canuck English??????  :-)

Eh?
                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 434
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 11/11/93  9:53a
Subj: Mail Bundles                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

john burton wrote in a message to Eddie Rowe:

jb> If you mail proggie doesn't handle 'em correctly, try
jb> POLYXARC...

You might want to use a secured directory and do a:

SPAZ <drive:>\<secured>\*.*    *.pkt

This will open up all your archives ready to process packets only. Then the
extension to the archive would mean little. You passwording is in the packet or
the session and not in the archive.

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 435
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/12/93  9:08p
Subj: New Node Getting This Echo              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All,
    The Smell Of Bacon II, in Shawnigan Lake, BC (Canada) is now picking up
this echo with great interest.
    I have the information file for Planet Connect but have a lot of questions
before I run out and buy a system (which I want to do soon).
    Can someone explain briefly to me the following:

1.  The difference between KU and C...what is better?
2.  Advantages/Disadvantages to using a 2foot dish or a 7 foot dish (or
something in between)
3.  Does the receiver just "plug in" to the back of your modem like a phone
line, and can you still use your modem the conventional way to dial out and
receive via land line?
4.  Once the mail is received, do you still send all outbound traffic through a
land line uplink?
5.  Is it a reliable?
6.  Any known disadvantages?

That's it for now...got lots of reading to do in the meantime.

Thanks...

Glenn
NEC Net 340

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 436
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/13/93  9:53a
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Foxy Ferguson wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

TB> Let me guess... you  are  going  to  spend  your  honeymoon  bird
TB> watching  rather  than  writing  checks  to  your  ma...   <grin>

FF> hehehehe... that's good, Terry.  and how goes the shotgun
FF> wedding in in your area?

In this case the bride still has not shown up.  ...the groom is no longer
waiting.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 437
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 11/13/93  9:54a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Dave   Osborne   wrote   in  a   message   to    Terry    Blount:

DO> Sounds simple to me.  We just find out  who  those  authors  are
DO> and do a DEL on their programs.    They  want  me  to  pay  more
DO> for distributing their  wares,  I'll  just  refuse  the  display
DO> space.

 Someone has convinced a few shareware authors that it is not  the
 quality of their program or how many people get  the  opportunity
 to test it that draws registrations but it  is  the  "club"  that
 they belong to. This in turn has resulted in many of them  making
 invalid  conclusions  about  various  methods  of   distribution.

 I have written over 40 shareware programs and I feel it would  be
 foolish to say that that you could have my program and  then  try
 to regulate the vehicle you used to acquire it.  I do  understand
 that if you got my program from Radio Shack  and  gave  them  $30
 you would think  you  were  paying  for  the  program  and  would
 disregard any plea for  registration.   However  if  Radio  Shack
 gave you my program and 5,000 more  for  $30 I  would  understand
 that they were not selling the shareware.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 438
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 11/13/93 10:27a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Rick   Ashworth   wrote   in  a   message   to   Dennis   Powers:

RA> As a shareware author, I would
RA> never consider  limiting  the  methods  that  my  software  were
RA>  sent  out  to  prospective  registrees..    That's  the   whole
RA> concept  of  distribution,  ESPECIALLY  shareware  distribution.

 My sentiments exactly.   The only restriction I feel is valid  is
 that my work isn't  sold  by  someone  else.   If a  distribution
 service was charging the end user $30 for my program  alone  then
 I  would  understand  that  the  person  would  not  likely  feel
 compelled to register it.  Anyone  with a  lick  of  sense  would
 realize   that   combining   several   thousand   programs    for
 distribution for a modest  price  is  not  selling  the  software
 itself ...rather it is a trade  off  for  the  free  advertising.

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From: WILLIAM DEGNAN                         Number: 439
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 11/11/93  8:22a
Subj: C vs. Ku vs. latitude                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tuesday November 09 1993, Richard Bash writes to All:

 RB>           There is an element that says it won't work for Ku
 RB>           reception at this latitude. I am hard pressed to accept
 RB>           that argument.

Can't speak directly to this. But do your own "informal" study. What's on the
roof of gas stations in your city? Are they using 3-footers?

 RB>           conditions (rain, drizzle, fog, snow). What is the
 RB>           truth regarding Ku band frequency susceptibility to
 RB>           such interference?

I'm considerably South of you (Austin, TX) and so I'm shooting a higher angle
with fewer raindrops in it. But I've only had problems with one very heavy
"toad strangler" when the carrier was lost for about a minute.

Of course, sometimes I forget to call the airport to ask them to switch runways
while I bring in the mail... Seriously, occasionally a low aircraft will get in
the way and a file will be errored out and thus not written to disk. I'll pick
it up the next time around. No biggie.

 RB>           Thank you in advance for taking the time to answer these
 RB>      questions. Your response will aid in countering incorrect
 RB>      arguments and "smoothing the way."

Regards,
Bill

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From: WILLIAM DEGNAN                         Number: 440
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/11/93  8:45a
Subj: ELIST                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tuesday November 09 1993, Ken Jackson writes to Dan Williamson:

 DW>> What's everyone else think?

 KJ> Well, I've asked Tim and Boyd, and still haven't heard from either of them
 KJ> regarding what's going on with PLANET_CONNECT and backbone distribution.

I checked the most recent elist.
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     Planet Connect Discussions and Support
          Planet Connect is a service which provides FidoNet sysops with a
          means of distributing data via satellites. This echo is devoted
          to the discussion of issues relating to this revolutionary
          technology.
     Origin:       1:133/515
     Distribution: Any Planet Connect site
     Gateways:
     # Nodes: 100      Volume: 100/Week
     Flags:
     Moderators: Tim Helton, 1:133/[e-mail]
     Last changed: 31-Oct-93 by Tim Helton, 1:133/[e-mail]
--------

I would take this to mean that backbone status has not been requested. There is
no listing in fidonet.na or .no nor in fidostat.na. In the last 1200 messages
there is no discussion of it in ZEC.

But it does seem to be available at at least one of the regional hubs.

Is this echo intended to be for P_C sysops only? Prospective customers as well?
Anybody else?

Regards,
Bill


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From: IAN MCLAUGHLIN                         Number: 441
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/12/93  7:52p
Subj: Suggestion...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi there,
  How about a command-line switch for PTCCMAIN to make the status line come up
by default?  i.e. PTCCMAIN /S will run the program and have the status line
showing.  Anyone else want this?

Ian


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From: NICK ASHTON-HART                       Number: 442
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 11/11/93  1:56p
Subj: Satellite Schedule                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Patty:

Sunday October 31 1993 15:41, Patty Pickett wrote to Terry Blount:

  >> I think the 16550 uart chip is just a buffer.  If  you

  PP>     Yes, I believe it has an 8k buffer.

The buffer is 16 bytes.

Nick

CIS: 71754,212. Internet: [e-mail]

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From: NICK ASHTON-HART                       Number: 443
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 11/11/93  2:05p
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello George:

Tuesday November 02 1993 13:04, George Peace wrote to Todd Lyons:

  GP> Forwarding is something folks seem to like. But it

It's essential in a file processor if you are a hub system for files.

  GP> The allfix group, besides being very money-oriented, are certainly
  GP> dedicated to their program/cause. Sometimes nearly to the point of
  GP> violence. I enjoy using software. I even have some favorites. I dare say
  GP> I'd never consider dying over it. The specs on the allfix and file
  GP> manager programs look pretty neat. Actual mileage may vary.

I find it interesting - read pathetic - that you'd make snide comments about
allfix, George, considering that you 1) ignore bug reports made to you about
software you write, and 2) Leave your software as beta for YEARS. Harald Harms
doesn't give his software away, but he DOES support it and he DOES listen to
his users when it comes to bugs AND feature requests.

Nick

CIS: 71754,212. Internet: [e-mail]

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 444
  To: WILLIAM DEGNAN                           Date: 11/14/93  7:23p
Subj: ELIST                                   Refer: 440
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> Is this echo intended to be for P_C sysops only? Prospective customer
-> Anybody else?

Bill, I'm sorry this is causing you so much grief....

We're working on it.  Until then, chill.

tim
moderator
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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 445
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 11/13/93  8:07p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> TB> If a shareware author is going to allow me to possess a  copy  of their
-> TB>work they don't have the right to tell  me  how I  can  get it.

-> Sounds simple to me.  We just find out who those authors are and do a DEL on
-> their programs.

Couldn't have stated it better myself. Anyone have a list????
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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 446
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/13/93 12:28p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Greg!

10 Nov 93, Greg Shaffer writes to Dennis Powers:

 DP>> The major argument to the system in my net is the "Eggs in
 DP>> the basket" problem. If my system crashes while I'm away
 DP>> (and who's doesn't [smile]) what does the net do then?  It's
 DP>> a valid argument.

 GS> Hmmmmmm so before PC came along you had 2 or more systems importing the
 GS> -same- echos for redundancies sake?......IF not then whats the difference?

No. Actually there was only 2 "node numbers" that imported mail.  And both from
different sources.  Let me explain how it works for only 1 node number:
Each night a different person (1 of 7) would run a batch file that reconfigured
his/her system to look like the Mail node number.  They would poll the star for
mail and when it was received forward the compressed Bundles directly to the
Designated distribution node (or just toss depending on their location in the
state).  After receiving the mail the batch file would reconfigure their system
to be their actual node number and continue operation.

With this system 7 people shared the cost (which wasn't the main purpose) and
if one system went down the person scheduled for the next night would jut pick
up a double load.  When more people volunteered to import mail we created a
second node number and got a connection from a different source for different
echos.  This gave us 14 people (2 node numbers) of *very* reliable echo mail
distribution.  It has and does work very well.



 GS> As for what they do........They wait......Its a hobby not a business,
 GS> stuff happens.

 GS> Sounds like an awful lot of trouble and config watching for something that
 GS> simply isnt that important.

Tell that to an "echomail-o-haulic" :-))


-><-Dennis

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 447
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/13/93  1:01p
Subj: A big change                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Here is a copy of a message from Janis Kracht to the PDN coordinators
concerning the proposed changes in the PDN's policies.

I will keep everyone posted as changes occur.

-><-Dennis

*** Answering a msg posted in area PDNECHO (PDNECHO).


10 Nov 93, Janis Kracht writes to All:

 JK> Contrary to some folks belief's that I have totally disregarded Planet
 JK> Connect's Satellite distribution of PDN files, I have been over the last
 JK> several months been working on this and considering the ramifications if
 JK> any, this type of distribution might have.

 JK> I have recently successfully concluded discussions with several authors
 JK> who have indicated to me in the past that they would take the PDN to court
 JK> if their files appeared on the Satellite (which is ME and my family, since
 JK> the PDN is not a corporation).

 JK> Please don't try to offer your opinion that it is riduculous to believe
 JK> that I'm in any legal jeopardy from satellite distribution of PDN files.
 JK> I've contacted enough lawyers to know that this legal jeopardy does exist.

 JK> Ray Kaliss's SDN resolves the problem of the SDN's (actually Ray's) legal
 JK> responsibility for distribution of files hatched in the SDN by requiring
 JK> authors to sign a document allowing the SDN to distribute their files by
 JK> whatever method the SDN chooses. Ray is able to do this because of the SDN
 JK> policy of single source hatching (Ray is the only one who can hatch files
 JK> into the SDN). The PDN policy of Open Hatching prevents me from exercising
 JK> the same form of legal protection and as such still precludes me from
 JK> allowing the PDN to be distributed via satellite.

 JK> In order for the PDN to be distributed via satellite, open hatching would
 JK> have to end in the PDN. Ending the PDN policy of Open Hatching will allow
 JK> me to develop the legal protection necessary for satellite distribution of
 JK> the PDN.

 JK> I'll develop some sort of backchannel file area that will flow through
 JK> designated points directly to my system so that all files proposed for
 JK> release in the PDN will end up here at 272/38 and then I'll process them
 JK> for release.

 JK> If there are no serious objections to this change I'll make the revisions
 JK> to PDN policy, begin the necessary steps to organize the backchannel, and
 JK> with those steps concluded authorize PDN distribution via satellite.

 JK> Janis

 JK> -+- Maximus 2.01wb
 JK>  + Origin: 1:272/38 [phone] HST 1:272/100 343-7540 HST/V32b
 JK> (1:272/38)



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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 448
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/13/93  2:04p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I knew I would be bombarded with mail from those who found it "incredulous",
"hard to believe", simply "could not understand" or thought it "didn't ring
true" as to why a shareware author would wish to prevent distribution of his
product.  The motives appeared to be financial and it is just a fact and one
that must be dealt with.

As for the legal precedents that have been set for a shareware author's control
over distribution, the two states "I" am aware of that have set them, are New
York and Connecticut.

In both cases the suits did not involve FIDO net technology or the FDN's, but
were involved in shareware CDRom and Disk packagers.  If you are looking for
the details I suggest you retain legal console because I am not an authority
(by any means) or qualified to make further comment on the cases.

As the BFDS FDN coordinator, I confered with a lawyer concerning the
distribution of shareware and, was advised that because of these precedents;
"...without a signed authorization, from the [author], waiving any rights to
distribution [details of distribution omitted]... you could be subject to
litigation, from the [author], seeking recomense for any profits that may
result from the distribution of [product] due to the [authors's] inclusion
on/in the [product]..."

Because I am the "distributor" I could be subject to litagation if, someone to
whom I have distributed the files, makes a profit because of the availablity of
the author's work.  I was also advised that a suit of this type (against me)
would fail as long as I did not knowingly "contribute or conspire".  Of course
it would cost me $200.00 per hour to insure it's failure <G>.

These are the facts as I know them.  I can not debate the legal arguments (I
paid a lawyer to find my exposure), nor will I.  I can not name the authors who
have prohibited satellite distribution (I don't know them).  I can not speak
directly FOR the PDN but as a PDN node, I will keep everyone informed of
developments as they occur.

"Patience" is the word for the day <G>.  Thank you for listening

-><-Dennis Powers

    BFDS (Batch File Distribution System)
    Coordinator

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 449
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 11/13/93 12:06p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

DO> Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the
DO> 6am poll to John is processed for that days uplink.  I'd
DO> rather get all of it an hour late, then some of it 24 hours
DO> later.

Excellent idea Dave. If we don't have an always current FIFO style file queue
then perhaps get as much as possible that is as current as possible in each
file rotation. How about it Boyd .... or are there other constraints to
consider?

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: JACK HONEYCUTT                         Number: 450
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/13/93 12:00a
Subj: The best equipment                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

10 Nov 93, Boyd Goodin writes to Jack Honeycutt:

 >> So, if money was no object, what would you recomend?   KU-Band or C?

 BG>    A 30 foot C-band dish. No problems after that! ;-)
 BG>   But in all I would go with a C-band.

I feel the same.

 >> What do you think of dishes from Paraclipse, Cosmos, Unimesh and

 BG>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^

 BG>                                  My opinion, the best.

Yea, We want a Paraclips, but can't swing the money so we may have to drop down
in quality to a Orbitron S X 10 foot....

Jack

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From: JACK HONEYCUTT                         Number: 451
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/13/93 12:03a
Subj: C VS. KU VS. LATITUDE                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Chris!

10 Nov 93, Chris Wiesner writes to Jack Honeycutt:

 >> languague I can understand, KU-band wavelengths are so small (4
 >> GHz?), they can travel through poorly designed mesh antennas and are
 >> absorbed by raindrops.  C-Band (12 GHz) is bigger and not as easley

 CW> You got it roughly backwards. KU band is higher frequency, which is
 CW> inverse in actual size.

Yes.  See my other post.  I did not have enought coffee that morning and when I
read what I wrote, I saw the error....

Thanks

Jack

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From: JACK HONEYCUTT                         Number: 452
  To: ROGER BROWN                              Date: 11/13/93 12:08a
Subj: THE BEST EQUIPMENT                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Roger!

11 Nov 93, Roger Brown writes to Jack Honeycutt:


 ->> So, if money was no object, what would you recomend?   KU-Band or C?

 RB> It depends on several factors.  Ku-Band dishes suffer more from
 RB> atmospheric conditions (attenuation).  If you live in an area that
 RB> receives a lot of rain or snow you may want to go C-Band.

Thanks for all tha good information Roger.  I saw your post to Richard Bash and
I hope you don't mind if I call you voice sometime.  We are trying to decise
the  Ku vs C-band question and are looking for feedback.

Thanks

Jack

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From: JACK HONEYCUTT                         Number: 453
  To: MIKE MCKEE                               Date: 11/13/93  7:03a
Subj: transmission errors                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mike!

30 Oct 93, Mike Mckee writes to all:

 MM> I wanted to put in my two cents worth to all of you that are complaining
 MM> about getting errors on files, especially on Ku.

 MM> There is just simply NO reason for it.

If you will look at the tag line of people you are talking to, you might see
that, unlike you, thay are not setting under a good, strong satellite footprint
like you are.

Some of us are way out.  Pick up any TVRO, or Ku book and read a little.

Jack

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From: HARRY MOYLES                           Number: 454
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/13/93  8:50p
Subj: DIZ'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry..
Any chance you can write a program which would take the diz's out of the zip
files and put the discription into the files.dir for TBBS. Dizman  is the best
I seen for files.bbs but no one has written one for TBBS.. Hint Hint. Oh you
noticed I got it to send to 1:3615/50 ok..
Oh sorry to get you out of the shower..ha ha ha..
Later harry..


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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 455
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 11/13/93  6:52p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > In a msg on <Nov 10 20:29>, Boyd Goodin writes:
 >
 >  BG> Ok. Now heres my polling times for 396/1. At 6:00 am I poll. At
 >  BG>5 pm I poll. At 1:30 am I poll. Now all that gets sent to the
 >  BG>uplink at 5 am to be sent over the sat at 7:30 am. While it is
 >  BG>uploading I am still getting stuff from 396/1 on node 2 which
 >  BG>will go up in the following days mail. Some are a day old, some
 >
 > Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the 6am poll to
 > John is processed for that days uplink.  I'd rather get all of it an
 > hour late, then some of it 24 hours later.

WOW!  GOOD IDEA!!

BOYD!  If it's at ALL possible, this would be a MUCHO better solution than
anything else that I've seen so far.

See ya                                                Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 456
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 11/13/93  6:59p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I can't imagine why these shareware authors are concerned about
 > distribution control when the FDN's are all so open to begin with.

The EXACT reason (as posted in the ZEC echo) is that there are a lot of people
that don't like the $10 distribution charge.  If Boyd would have charged $30
per node PERIOD, then we could advertise it as a suitable substitution for a
$200+ phone line.  HOWEVER, with that $10 distribution charge, some claim that
it is no longer comparable to a telephone line because MaBell doesn't care
whether or not we distribute what we pull in to other nodes.

Hell, myself, I think Boyd should have never said $30 per node.  Should have
put everybody on a flat rate of $40 per month and be done with it.  Would have
saved him quite a bit of paperwork.

FWIW, I think those people bitching about $10 per month need a reality check.

 > distribution sites.  PC Sites will, if anything increase the
 > distribution
 > possibilities of the various FDN's.  It seems to me that wider
 > distribution is "better" for Shareware authors.

Agreed.  But they can't see past the $10 issue to see the benefits they would
reap.

The best argument I have seen is this (capture from the ZEC echo)

 I simply can't believe this...   why  would  someone  who  writes
 shareware want to prohibit me from putting it on my  board  based
 on the method used to  transfer  it?   What  if  they  said  they
 were only going to allow their programs to be transferred by  MCI
 and anyone using Sprint or AT&T would be in  violation  of  their
 "approved" distribution channels?   Trying to prohibit  satellite
 transmission vs. phone line transmission is same BS as trying  to
 limit distribution to MCI.

I would think that this is the BEST argument I have ever seen for PC and its
file distributions.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 457
  To: NICK ASHTON-HART                         Date: 11/13/93  9:18p
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I find it interesting - read pathetic - that you'd make snide
 > comments about allfix, George,

Which comments? This one, which rings true even today:

  >GP> dedicated to their program/cause. Sometimes nearly to the point of
  >GP> violence

Or this one, which I meant as nothing less than a compliment:

  >GP> The specs on the allfix and file manager programs look pretty neat.

 > considering that you 1) ignore bug reports made to
 > you about software you write, and 2) Leave your software as beta for
 > YEARS.

I continue to be comfortable that raid and areafix are worth every penny you
paid for them. Noone ever forced you to use programs like areafix and raid, did
they? You should have the freedom to choose the software you love and bash the
software you hate.

I'm actually pleased that you've found programs you like better and someone
willing to take your money. We all come out winners.

take care...

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 458
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 11/14/93 10:39a
Subj: ELIST                                   Refer: NONE
Read: 11/15/93  4:34p                       Private: No

Tim Helton wrote in a message to Dan Williamson:

TH> PLANET_CONNECT should be on the backbone here shortly....

TH> If *you* want to help out in this cause, send DAN BUDA
TH> (1:1/200) a polite netmail message requesting that
TH> PLANET_CONNECT be added to the backbone, with a copy
TH> forwarded to your region coordinator.  I'm already doing
TH> this, but a few more requests from the users wouldn't hurt.

No, actually, send it to your NEC and REC to have them make formal requests to
have it added to the backbone... I believe 3 RECs have to request it before it
will be accepted...

Dave

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 459
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/14/93  8:45p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TL>One of the points that Peter Stern made to me about DVNet is that it's a
TL>misconception that DVNet is on the Filebone.  It's not (according to him).
I
TL>was under the impression that if it was in FILEBONE.NA then it was on the
TL>filebone, but he assures me not.  I dunno.

Look at your FILEBONE.NA and look at the FLAGS field....Only "!" and "." seem
to be officially on the FileBone -- I am still trying to figure out if SDN
is there or not...

Very confusing since FIDONET.NA is JUST what's on the Backbone...Wish Boyd
would share exactly what areas we're supposed to be able to get.

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 460
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/14/93 10:49p
Subj: Re: Os/2 2.1ga                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> With OS/2 for Windows pricing at $50, a whole lot more persons are going
> to
> be joining the OS/2 family...Oh Boyd??? 8-)

    Well i am not sure if the software will work under OS2. One thing I do know
is that the "LOCK" will not work. I talked to the company that makes them they
said it worked under OS2 2.0 but not under 2.1 and IBM wont tell tehm what they
changed so that Aztec could make changes to support the 2.1 version. YOu might
want to tell IBM to give them a hand or at least tell them what they changed.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 461
  To: IAN MCLAUGHLIN                           Date: 11/14/93 11:10p
Subj: Re: Suggestion...                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hi there,
> How about a command-line switch for PTCCMAIN to make the status line
> come up by default?  i.e. PTCCMAIN /S will run the program and have the
> status line showing.  Anyone else want this?

   The next version will have support for the 16550 and also an automatic
status. The status line will pop-up after about 5 seconds. This will all be
controlled by the INI file.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 462
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/14/93 11:14p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> DO> Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the
> DO> 6am poll to John is processed for that days uplink.  I'd
> DO> rather get all of it an hour late, then some of it 24 hours
> DO> later.

> Excellent idea Dave. If we don't have an always current FIFO style file
> queue then perhaps get as much as possible that is as current as possible
> in each file rotation. How about it Boyd .... or are there other
> constraints to consider?

I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 am or even 10 am
instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to modem that to the uplink.


....Boyd

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 463
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/14/93 10:59p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >  If a shareware author is going to allow me to possess a  copy  of
 >  their work they don't have the right to tell  me  how I  can  get
 >  it.

Very good! I agree wholeheartedly. However, we still need to 'convince' them.

Regards


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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 464
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/14/93 11:06p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > (according to him).  I was under the impression that if it was in
 > FILEBONE.NA then it was on the filebone, but he assures me not.  I
 > dunno.

Todd,

It seems to me that we should not be using FILEBONE.NA! It has several areas
which PC does not yet carry. I think it may be in our best interest to prepare
a similar file, call it PC.NA or whatever, which is give a list of current
FDN's being served by satellite. I simply cannot fathom their reasoning for
being so reluctant, and am beginning to run out of patience with them. (so I'll
bite my tongue). Are we not ultimately doing this for them?

Regards



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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 465
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/14/93 11:16p
Subj: IS IT JUST ME?                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



Hello Boyd.

Is it just me...? I had 20 or so .SDN and .SDA files sitting in my inbound
without their associated .TIC files. This is second time in about a month. What
gives?



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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 466
  To: JACK HONEYCUTT                           Date: 11/14/93  5:46p
Subj: transmission errors                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > 30 Oct 93, Mike Mckee writes to all:

  MM> I wanted to put in my two cents worth to all of you that are
  MM> complaining about getting errors on files, especially on Ku.
  MM> There is just simply NO reason for it.

 > If you will look at the tag line of people you are talking to,
 > you might see that, unlike you, thay are not setting under a
 > good, strong satellite footprint like you are.

Yes indeed Jack.  I guesstimate that I am about 4000 miles west and 500 miles
north of Mike's hometown.....!  Add 150 miles further to the west and that is
where Dan Williamson lives....!  As a matter of fact he lives so far out west
that he can see them surfing in Hawaii on a clear day.....! :-)

Regards....Murray

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 467
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/14/93  1:43p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Wednesday November 03 1993, Terry Blount writes to Foxy Ferguson:

Hello Terry!

 TB>  Don't feel rained on... I offered to GIVE it to my local  net  at
 TB>  my subscription cost and they didn't take me  up  on  it...  they
 TB>  first have to "study the feasibility."    One  sysops  calculated
 TB>  that the $40 cost divided by the number of conferences  came  out
 TB>  to  25  cents  per  conference  and  since   he   wanted   only 3
 TB>  conferences he decided he should pay 75  cents a  month...   they
 TB>  were also afraid that lightening would strike  my  dish  or  that
 TB>  satellite technology was so  "new"  that  it  wasn't  reliable...
 TB>  they are holding out for the new phone system that  will  deliver
 TB>  data at 64 k a second and save them money   ...which  is  due  to
 TB>  become  available  in  our  area  in  about   15   short   years.

start your own Cost Recovery plan based on a flat rate of 5 bucks for
everything..files and messages. work a deal with some friend-sysops to help you
move the mail and to hell with your net's pencil necked geeks.  If you've ever
read Z1-election, it has been ruled by the Z1C that you are at complete liberty
to get your mail and distribte that mail from/to anyone you please at whatever
rate you please.  Leave those morons in the dust with this new techonology. Our
net here in Vancouver has grasped it with both hands and the flat rate to each
node is now only $2.50  for all message areas and file areas. Can't beat that
at all! :)

Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Sunday November 14 1993

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 468
  To: BILL WALTON                              Date: 11/14/93  3:01p
Subj: Ken                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Friday November 05 1993, Bill Walton writes to All:

Hello Bill!

 BW> There were some bundles came in awhile back

 BW> ken.1, ken.2 etc

 BW> what are they ?

<grin>  Boyd was very kind to break up and resend a 2 meg mail bundle cuz it
never managed to come in here in one piece.

"BOYD...YOU RULE!" <smile>
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Sunday November 14 1993

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From: BERT KENNEDY                           Number: 469
  To: RA FANS                                  Date: 11/10/93  6:13p
Subj: HQ                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello RA!

FYI RADIST HQ has requested that they be deleted from the PC system. I am in
disussion with HQ 135/71 but she was willing to make all those connected to me
for distribution get another connect and I am the one who was feeding the
Filebone for Her...O Well seems logic is not a part of these folks process more
ego and pride. One question they have yet to answer is WHY???????????
<of course we all know why> Said wanted control? I said Why send to filebone
then..Answer Hmmmmm.....
Second question...They should have asked first. Responce Why if anyone can get
them without permission from Filebone? Answer Hmmmmm...Just cause.

O Well now 35 system are looking for phone connects to RADIST and 2 of then are
from overseas..Geezz when will they wake up!!!


Bert

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 470
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 11/14/93  6:31p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rick Ashworth wrote in a message to Dennis Powers:
I was holding myself back, but the following was too much..

 DP> I fully understand you'rs and other's frustration concerning the
 DP> distribution of FDN's via the satellite system.  It would be nice to "get
 DP> it all" from the sky in order to cut our costs.  After all why else did we
 DP> subscribe to the system?  But there are many other variables involved in
 DP> the distribution of the Shareware files, both legal and monetary.

 DP> Please remember that the FDN heads are all volunteer!

RA> If that is true, then your last sentence "both legal and
RA> monetary" makes no sense.

Janis DOES spend a lot of money on this "hobby".  She DOES have to see
lawyers etc.  When you get a notice that somebody is going to take you to
court for going against the distribution license, you tend to take them quite
seriously.

Since Janis does NOT wish to spend large amounts of money defending her hobby
over legal bull in court, it was in her best interests to see a lawyer, and
find out how far they CAN go.  ESPECIALLY since the PDN project is a
volunteer effort that as far as I can tell, she's not making money on.

Imagine that.. spending money to defend your legal right to pursue your
hobby where you help others out for free.  Where DON'T you see the "both
legal and monetary" issues involved in this volunteer setup?


My reply probably would have never been written except for such a negative
attack you place on her, whether you realize it or not.  Organizations _will_
come around.  Until then, at least respect the fact that they're footing the
bill to take care of protecting their family to promote free trade of source
and programming related utilities, and just don't want to go to court over
it.

RA> Or simply not distribute that particular file.  I just find
RA> it incredulous that it is REALLY an issue..  I note you are

Follow the PDNECHO.  You'll find she is working on reorganizing to where she
CAN do this.

RA> careful not to mention any details like specific states
RA> where legal action has taken place, specific authors that
RA> have a problem with this method of transmission so that
RA> someone can research the objections and verify if there is
RA> any real threat.

Screw "real threat".  If the author doesn't want to fly the bird, fine, he
gets limited distrubition.  The way I take your message, if they have a
distrubition license that states specific terms, your reply is "*uck em"?

RA> But something is not ringing true in your explanation here..
RA>  Can you tell us of any author that refuses to have his

If you want a real answer to this -- ask Janis directly in PDNECHO or
netmail.  You're asking people who have third party information.



 --
Intelligent replies can be posted here; flame via netmail/email.
Jason Fesler                        [e-mail]
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From: RIC WALSH                              Number: 471
  To: IAN MCLAUGHLIN                           Date: 11/15/93  4:46a
Subj: Suggestion...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ian!

Friday November 12 1993 19:52, Ian McLaughlin wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 IM> Hi there,
 IM>   How about a command-line switch for PTCCMAIN to make the status line
 IM> come up by default?  i.e. PTCCMAIN /S will run the program and have the
 IM> status line showing.  Anyone else want this?

I'd second this request.

I'd like to see a second "switch" which would blank all but the status lines.
Old monochrome monitors tend to get burned in after long exposure to the same
screen.

Ric

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 472
  To: HARRY MOYLES                             Date: 11/14/93  7:38p
Subj: DIZ'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Harry   Moyles   wrote   in  a   message   to    Terry    Blount:

HM> Hello Terry..
HM> Any chance  you  can  write  a  program  which  would  take  the
HM> diz's out of the zip files and  put  the  discription  into  the
HM> files.dir for TBBS. Dizman  is the best  I  seen  for  files.bbs
HM> but no one  has  written  one  for  TBBS..  Hint  Hint.  Oh  you

 I probably already have it written.  Post a short sample  of  the
 format for TBBS files.bbs and  make a  few  comments  on  how  it
 handles the extended description lines.

 If you want to manually do it with a  text  editor  this  command
 will build 90% of it:

 PKUNZIP * /C *.DIZ   >> DIZ

 Just edit the  "diz"  file  and  append  it  to  your  files.bbs.


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 473
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/15/93 10:12a
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Chris   Wiesner   wrote   in  a   message   to   Terry    Blount:

 >  If a shareware author is going to allow me to possess a  copy  of
 >  their work they don't have the right to tell  me  how I  can  get
 >  it.

CW> Very good! I agree wholeheartedly. However,  we  still  need  to
CW> 'convince' them.

 It is my guess  that  _registrations_  would  go a  long  way  in
 doing that.  We all should register the programs we  use  and  as
 people in positions of influence we should  _strongly_  encourage
 everyone else to do likewise.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 474
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 11/15/93 10:14a
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Ken   Kavanagh   wrote   in  a   message   to    Terry    Blount:

 TB>  Don't feel rained on... I offered to GIVE it to my local  net  at
 TB>  my subscription cost and they didn't take me  up  on  it...  they
 TB>  first have to "study the feasibility."

KK> start your own Cost Recovery plan based on  a  flat  rate  of  5
KK> bucks for everything..files  and  messages.  work  a  deal  with
KK> some friend-sysops to  help  you  move  the  mail  and  to  hell
KK> with your net's pencil necked geeks.

 It is human nature to avoid pain and seek  pleasure...  the  pain
 of being labeled as a trouble maker (for converting local  sysops
 to join my net) would be greater for me than the pain  of  paying
 the   Planet   Connect   subscription   fee   all   by    myself.

 ...the story continues... the local net lost its feed  last  week
 and has been calling all over the country trying  to  locate  and
 pickup the mail they were normally getting...  what  an  irony...
 most of it is deleted from my disc daily... and most likely  they
 will end up getting some of their old mail from someone  who  has
 picked it up from Planet Connect

KK> Our net here in Vancouver has grasped it  with  both  hands  and
KK> the flat  rate  to  each  node  is  now  only  $2.50    for  all
KK> message areas and  file  areas.  Can't  beat  that  at  all!  :)

 It would cause these local guys more pain  to  "ween"  themselves
 from the land lines than the extra $100 they  are  giving  to  Ma
 Bell  every  month.   DON'T  ask  me  why... I  haven't a   clue.

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From: RALPH LOBIANCO                         Number: 475
  To: IAN MCLAUGHLIN                           Date: 11/15/93  7:20a
Subj: Suggestion...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> How about a command-line switch for PTCCMAIN to make the status line
-> come up by default?  i.e. PTCCMAIN /S will run the program and have
-> the status line showing.  Anyone else want this?

I'd like it, I even suggested the same thing, But I'd also want the
Watch /W command, Beets looking at that Planet Connect Screen <Grin>.


Ralph

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From: TONY HONAKER                           Number: 476
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/15/93 11:52a
Subj: Connect problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


I need to find out if anyone else is having problems connecting with PC
sending mail back. I run the following:

Intermail 2.25
USR DS 16,800  (latest chipset)


I get the following:
  10:37:45  Mail Server ID#: 001
+ 10:37:45  Event 0-@
  10:37:45  Using: ROUTE.IM
: 10:37:45  #4 to 1:3615/50: on Hold, cost too high/low
- 10:37:45  Preparing outbound mail
+ 10:42:29  Calling Skyboard, 1:3615/50, 1-615-623-8111
= 10:42:59  CONNECT 14400/ARQ/V32/LAPM/V42BIS
  10:43:00  Waiting for line to settle down
  10:43:00  Attempting to establish mail session
  10:43:01  Sending EMSI handshake packet
? 10:43:33  No handshake acknowledgement received
? 10:43:33  EMSI handshake failure (sending)
  10:43:33  Terminating call


I get this almost all the time.. I have even got PC system sending X
modem.. I don't understand why.. I hook up and run with everyone at good
speeds but have problmes with PC.


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From: TONY HONAKER                           Number: 477
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 11/15/93  6:13p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> start your own Cost Recovery plan based on a flat rate of 5 bucks for
-> everything..files and messages. work a deal with some friend-sysops t
-> move the mail and to hell with your net's pencil necked geeks.  If yo
-> read Z1-election, it has been ruled by the Z1C that you are at comple
-> to get your mail and distribte that mail from/to anyone you please at
-> rate you please.  Leave those morons in the dust with this new techon
-> net here in Vancouver has grasped it with both hands and the flat rat
-> node is now only $2.50  for all message areas and file areas. Can't b
-> at all! :)

Just blow them out of the H20. If they can't tell a good deal then just
smile real big.


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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 478
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/15/93  8:12p
Subj: Testing 1 2 3                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi!

Just a test of my origin lines and etc...  How do things look on your end?


Thomas



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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 479
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/15/93  2:03p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > The EXACT reason (as posted in the ZEC echo) is that there are a
 > lot of people that don't like the $10 distribution charge.  If
 > Boyd would have charged $30 per node PERIOD, then we could
 > advertise it as a suitable substitution for a $200+ phone line.

I've seen complaints such as this in a couple of the regional echoes. Some are
saying that the $10 surcharge (if you will) makes it appear that PC is charging
for the "data" rather than the service.  Along with this comes all the
discussion about Fido not allowing nodes to profit from echomail.  I must say
that the people doing the talking have a valid complaint in this regard.  If
Fido lets one entity charge over and above the cost of transmission, it must
allow all distribution systems to do the same if they like.

I agree that PC should change the rate to a flat rate regardless of whether the
site will be re-distributing or not.  That should put to rest the issue of a
Fido system making a profit on echomail.  It would be very difficult to argue
that PC isn't charging strictly for the service (transmission) at that point.

To me, it doesn't matter what they do as long as they continue to provide their
excellent service.  Our net is saving money and there have been ZERO
complaints.  How can you complain when you have three times the echomail at the
same cost.  I guess there is always someone out there who'll complain even if
you delivered it to them for free.

Ed

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 480
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/15/93  6:09p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Sunday November 14 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Dan Williamson:

Hello Boyd!

 BG> I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 am or even
 BG> 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to modem that to the uplink.

I mind! the stuff gets in here by around 9am-10 am I then gotta get it out the
door to the nets distribution hubs so they can process it and move it on to the
other hubs..all that, takes the actual delivery of the mail close to dinner;
Prime time for bbs callers which means the mail doesnt really get fully
delivered till late evening or beyond.  The idea is to get the mail through as
soon as possible which means as early in the day as possible (in my mind
anyways)

Peanut gallery
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Monday November 15 1993

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 481
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/11/93 11:44p
Subj: Canuk English...                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Chris--

 >>>> + Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50)
 >>
 >CW                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
 >>
 >>CW> Ahem.... Incorporated.
 >>
 >> Maybe that's Canuck English??????  :-)

 CW> Watch you tongue, laddy! Look in the dictionary. Maybe you need an english
 CW> lesson?

---------------------------------------------------------------

 >>>> + Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50)

I STILL say it must be Canuk English........

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 482
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 11/11/93 11:48p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dennis--

 CW>> Hmmmm, wonder what she's like in bed...[sheepish grin]

 DP> ps: your statement was in poor taste.

I thought so, too. Glad someone spoke up about it.

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 483
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/11/93 11:49p
Subj: DVnet                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd--

 TL> I have already talked to Peter Stern and he was very nice and said that
 TL> access to it would not be relinquished to PC simply because he wants to
 TL> control it. It doesn't get any simpler or more honest than that.

Awwwww, shucks. I figured something like that.......

Ken

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 484
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/15/93  6:00a
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Who has it for freq?
 >
 > What file name?



    GMD_310.ZIP (182k)  HST DS 16k8 from me at 1:380/5.


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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 485
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/15/93  6:07a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I was under the impression that if it was in FILEBONE.NA then it
 > was on the filebone, but he assures me not.  I dunno.



    Apparently you, and others, have never taken the time to actually *read*
the filebone.na header where it explains the various flags and keys in use in
that file, Todd.


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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 486
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 11/15/93  6:13a
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > The allfix group, besides being very money-oriented, are certainly
 > dedicated to their program/cause. Sometimes nearly to the point of
 > violence.



    George, I can't believe the above quote came from *your* keyboard!  Your
comment is really beneath you.  :(



                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 487
  To: HARRY MOYLES                             Date: 11/15/93  6:15a
Subj: DIZ'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Any chance you can write a program which would take the diz's out of the
 > zip files and put the discription into the files.dir for TBBS. Dizman



    Harry, admittedly I don't know much about TBBS's file formats, but at the
risk of being labelled an extremist you might evaluate Allfix and see if it
will perform with TBBS.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: JIM OXFORD                             Number: 488
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/15/93 12:10p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > > in each file rotation. How about it Boyd .... or are there other
 > > constraints to consider?
 >
 > I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the
 > sat at 9 am or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we
 > still have to modem that to the uplink.
 >

   I personally would rather have the hour or two delay and get everything
from all systems prior to doing the uplink.  I also like the order that you
send it down in now, as I told you in another message.

   I also appreciate the way you have been working to improve the system,
and being open to new suggestions.

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 489
  To: IAN MCLAUGHLIN                           Date: 11/15/93  8:10a
Subj: Suggestion...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hi there,
 >   How about a command-line switch for PTCCMAIN to make the status line
 > come up by default?  i.e. PTCCMAIN /S will run the program and have the
 > status line showing.  Anyone else want this?

I've got a little utility that stuffs two carriage returns in the keyboard
buffer that will do this for you.  Let me know if you (or anybody else) is
interested.  I don't have the original archive avail but I can make the
program available.

Stackey is the name...

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 490
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 11/09/93  5:11p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > BG> PDN              272/38      Janis Kracht        (Access denied)
 > BG> Genealogy        18/230      John Grove          (Access denied)
 > BG> dvnet            355/38      Peter Stern         (Access denied)
 > BG> cadnet           116/32      Stan Bimson         (Access denied)
 > BG> ansinet          116/29      KevFraggle          (Access denied)

I wonder what the shareware authors would think of these FDN administrators
refusing a major distribution system like PC.

I think we should start our own alternatives to these FDN's and blow the old
ones out of the bitstream.  Perhaps there are people now receiving PC service
that are close to the top of some of these FDN's who could assist in letting
shareware authors know that PC exists.

Ed

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 491
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/09/93  7:46p
Subj: ELIST                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dan--

 DW>    What's everyone else think?

Well, I've asked Tim and Boyd, and still haven't heard from either of them
regarding what's going on with PLANET_CONNECT and backbone distribution.

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 492
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 11/09/93  7:47p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rudolf--

 RR>    To your credit, I appreciate the call you made to make things right
 RR> on Sunday morning.  Thank you for taking the time to call to give me the
 RR> proper codes and to tell me that you were changing the "crippled
 RR> software" problem to a much better solution.

I know how you felt, as I'm sure we *all* felt a little ticked off about it.
However, I know that Boyd had a reason for doing it, and he already had a plan
in place to correct it. Trouble is, I guess Boyd and Co. are so inundated with
the success of PC that they "forget" to clue us all in on what is going on.

If they would just let us know about these things in advance, then we all
wouldn't be freaking out about it....

 RR>    I'm sorry I got pissed off, and I apoligize.  Thanks for making it
 RR> right.

And I'm glad you apologized. I was quite surprised to see someone go off on him
like that, to be honest!!!!

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 493
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/09/93  7:53p
Subj: WHERE ARE YOU????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Chris--


 >> + Origin: PLANET SYSTEMS INCORPERATED. NODE-2 (1:3615/50)

 CW>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 CW>  Ahem.... Incorporated.

Maybe that's Canuck English??????  :-)

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 494
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 11/09/93  7:56p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave--

 DJ> DVNET and CADNET both have always been private distribution, with DVNET
 DJ> having the most extensive, of which I am a member since it's inception...

Well, can you lobby for us then? There are a LOT of us who are using DESQview,
and with the advent of the new version supposedly supporting multitasking, it
would be great to have access to the DVnet files!!!!

Ken

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 495
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/09/93  5:30p
Subj: SEENBYS.                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Well basically, since *we* all got your message then you must have
 > this message area at least setup right.

Sure looks that way, huh?

Thanks for the feedback.

Regards


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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 496
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/09/93 10:33p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Hold off on hexing GSDS(genealogy). Us genealogy sysops are putting
 > the screws on them, and I think they are realizing the error of
 > their ways! BTW - they didn't say "access denied", per se. They
 > decided last February to take a "wait-and-see" attitude for 1 year.
 > It was brought back up before the vox populi a few days ago, and I
 > think they are seeing that the moratorium ain't gonna work! I
 > anticipate that it will be allowed on PC by the end of the month.

I had some choice netmails with John Le Duc, the co-ordinator for GSDS (John
Grove is co--co-oridinator), and he thought I was trying to intimidate him via
netmail. So I moved my requests for information to the genealogy echo. I had a
violent response from some dude in FL, but I think I brought him to see the
light. Take a look in the gensysop echo, as I'll be stirring the pot there too.
I'me really tired of paying LD for files when the dish sits there begging for
more action...;-)

Regards



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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 497
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 11/09/93 10:35p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > PDN is adamant about it, total control is what she wants.

Hmmmm, wonder what she's like in bed...[sheepish grin]



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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 498
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/09/93 12:28p
Subj: one more thing...                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Perhaps you need FASTA20.sys... I does something to prevent
-> double calls that ...with a fast 486 system causes problems. Heck I wish I
-> could find those docs... it has helped me
-> tremendously because I NEVER have lockups since I installed this prog in my
-> config.sys

        I TRIED THAT... It does do something for the computer. Before I could
never get Desqview to run on my machine that runs the BBS. I installed that and
DV would run for about 20-30 minutes then puke. I sat down reading ever .TEC
file I could find on QEMM & DV to see if maybe there was something else to make
things even smoother... but I have not gotten DV to run stable longer than 30
minutes. :( (So I am back to windows)...

        If you have any *ANY* ideas let me know... I enjoy running windows to
show people it can work, but the only flaw is FrontDoor 2.02 <-> 2.20 will not
run in multiple windows... they take over the ticks when waiting for a call,
and yep - I tried the FORCEDMPI AND FORCEINT28 etc.. (For Frodo)...

Ozzman...
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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 499
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/09/93 12:34p
Subj: NEW FILE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> This can be made so simple... the author is required  to  place a
-> file_id.diz description - with the description THEY  want  to  be used -
-> inside the archive and upload it ... no matter  what  kind of program  it
-> is...   or  send  it  like a  file  request.  The description info can then
-> be processed to build a tic  file  or a files.bbs   ....I already have
-> written a  utility  to  take  the info from File_id.diz and  put  it  into
-> the  files.bbs  format.

        Well locally we are testing my RTP.EXE (Tic Processor) that will read
tic's and make DIZ's ... and/or include the DIZ over the TIC description. It is
currently in Alpha Stages... I have even added the theory of "PCUTIL CHECKx"
since it has bombed out on me twice in under 30 days, I just incorporated it
into my tic'er...

        I got PKZIP source code and have been working on making RTP
self-contained. Plus I am releasing my revision to ZIP (still compat with PK!)
that actually outputs the information to the FOSSIL - Excellent for QWK mail
doors that shell to PKZIP and the user sits there wondering what is going on!

Ozzman...
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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 500
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/09/93 12:36p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> In theory... and in many  areas  YES.   But  in  MOST  areas  the bachelor
-> lifestyle has prevailed so long that the  compromise  of marriage is
-> perceived as a threat.

        Locally we went threw that stage... the ending result is finally
starting to unfold in a happy honeymoon...
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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 501
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/09/93 12:47p
Subj: 16550                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Ok. So what version are you running as "current"? the 1009 one? Or have you
-> received a later dated version? The one that is coming my way daily is still
-> the 1009 one. Boyd keeps saying "in a few days". Well, when is that?????

        There is a ßeta version we are playing with... I personally have not
had a problem since the release of 1009, which was compiled with a few smaller
libraries, and quicker code.

        Boyd and I are shocked but I am running the whole inbound into a 286/20
with 4MB Ram and 2MB Cache on an old ST251 (not the -I series). I am running
with 8250's and no fossil installed... and this machine also doubles as a CD
Rom Server. All 8 slots are in use, and Novell Lite 1.1 running in Server Mode
only (no client.exe needed, but loaded just for testing). And the system has
not gotten a "T" block since I configured it this way... I installed the
PCFIFO?.ZIP into the system, and played with it... nothing better, nor nothing
worse... so I went back to 1009 (2 days ago) I ran the Beta for over a week.

        The only problem I was having (but has faded away) is the 286 locks up
about once every 28-34 hours. I personally think it is in the code, but have to
prove it (grin). Boyd and I added a lil' SHOWDATA.COM file to the batchfile on
the 286 and so far with it in line the system has not locked up again.

        Thus it kinda proves a point, another software program loads into RAM
and correctly flushes it when it has finished. But, I will keep testing a
searching. The problem has been around since 1008 was out...

Ozzman...
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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 502
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/09/93  4:50a
Subj: Mail Bundles                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > There were mail bundles on Saturday with extensions which do not conform
 > to Fidonet ARCmail naming conventions:

 > .FRB
 > .FRC

Those are perfectly valid extensions, Eddie...  MO0 thru Z work....

If you mail proggie doesn't handle 'em correctly, try POLYXARC...

                            --==jb==--

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 503
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 11/14/93  4:52p
Subj: New Node Getting This Echo              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Glenn Vermette wrote in a message to All:

[Personal Opinion Mode On]
GV> 1.  The difference between KU and C...what is better?

C Band. Ku is a higher wavelength = more power = tighter beam with
        smaller dish needs. Aiming may be more critical than a big old
        C Antenna.

GV> 2.  Advantages/Disadvantages to using a 2foot dish or a 7
GV> foot dish (or something in between)

The bigger the dish .... the greater the resolution of the signal. Use
        of a high quality LNB will also increase signal quality.

GV> 3.  Does the receiver just "plug in" to the back of your
GV> modem like a phone line, and can you still use your modem
GV> the conventional way to dial out and receive via land line?

The 'modem' is a special receiver that operates from the satellite
        signal and outputs to a standard serial port output. You can't
        use it for other purposes that I know of.

GV> 4.  Once the mail is received, do you still send all
GV> outbound traffic through a land line uplink?

Yes. Retaining topology is necessary at this time as there is no
        alternate to star routing at this moment that won't give us
        grief in these early stages of the programme.

GV> 5.  Is it a reliable?

Totally .... so far. The odd hiccup has been quickly corrected by Boyd
        and P_C as far as I've seen. There were quite a few glitches and
        surprises in the beta test period but they smoothed out rapidly.

GV> 6.  Any known disadvantages?

Yes ... Cost ....if you have little use for more than a couple of backbone
        echos and a file or two. The fee is very reasonable for a big
        feed of backbone and filebone wares but not for just the odd
        item from the satellite flow. In some cases the less expensive
        Skylink package may better suit the needs of a single site in
        the middle of nowhere. The skylink might offer enough of a
        supplement to a local feed.

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 504
  To: IAN MCLAUGHLIN                           Date: 11/14/93  5:08p
Subj: Suggestion...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ian McLaughlin wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

Hi there Ian,

        Actually I'd prefer a switch of /NS which would change the
        default of 'Show Status' to 'No Status Shown'.

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 505
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/15/93 12:42p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CW>It seems to me that we should not be using FILEBONE.NA! It has several areas
CW>which PC does not yet carry. I think it may be in our best interest to
prepar
CW>a similar file, call it PC.NA or whatever, which is give a list of current

Agreed, but that being said...FIDONET.NA is now being maintained by someone
new -- you'll like the changes that appeared in this week's file!

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 506
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/15/93  9:14p
Subj: Sds Areas                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Are the SDS file echos now being carried by Planet Connect?  Per the
FileBone.Na I don't believe they are officially carried by the
FileBone, but I did receive a file in the SDSRBBS area.  The SDS system
has been plagued by black holes in my experience -- I know many would
welcome a reliable link!

Can I pop open the bubbly? 8-)

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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 507
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/15/93 11:10p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> DO> Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the
 >> DO> 6am poll to John is processed for that days uplink.  I'd

 >> in each file rotation. How about it Boyd .... or are there other
 >> constraints to consider?

 > I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9
 > am or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to
 > modem that to the uplink.

I don't mind....!

Regards....Murray

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 508
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/16/93  8:21a
Subj: Delayed mail                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > > DO> Why not delay another hour or so on the uplink so that the
 > > DO> 6am poll to John is processed for that days uplink.  I'd
 >
 > I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 am or
 > even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to modem that to the
 > uplink.

Not a problem.  anybody who's doing this stuff part time would simply have to
adjust their schedules, but it wouldn't be a big problem for them.  I would
enjoy it!

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 509
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/16/93  8:23a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Very confusing since FIDONET.NA is JUST what's on the Backbone...Wish
 > Boyd
 > would share exactly what areas we're supposed to be able to get.

Go look in your satellite inbound area for this:

L:\SKYDATA\SKYINFO\FILEAREA.CUR

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 510
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/16/93  8:24a
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > It seems to me that we should not be using FILEBONE.NA! It has several

Right.

 > areas which PC does not yet carry. I think it may be in our best
 > interest to prepare a similar file, call it PC.NA or whatever, which is

Try looking in your satellite inbound area for this:

L:\SKYDATA\SKYINFO\FILEAREA.CUR

Boyd sends it out very regular...                                 Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 511
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/16/93  8:26a
Subj: IS IT JUST ME?                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Is it just me...? I had 20 or so .SDN and .SDA files sitting in my
 > inbound without their associated .TIC files. This is second time in
 > about a month. What gives?

I haven't had that happen to me yet.  sorry.  Good luck figuring it out!

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 512
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 11/16/93  8:29a
Subj: Ken                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  BW> ken.1, ken.2 etc
 >
 > <grin>  Boyd was very kind to break up and resend a 2 meg mail bundle
 > cuz it never managed to come in here in one piece.

He might get the same requests for the 2 megs bundle *.suc that came in
yesterday.  I had to page down TWICE while viewing the logs to get to the end
of the packet list in that bundle :)

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 513
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/09/93 11:50p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Test message... please acknowledge receipt.

Thanks!

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From: NICK ASHTON-HART                       Number: 514
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/14/93  9:42a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd:

Wednesday November 10 1993 20:50, Todd Lyons wrote to Ken Jackson:

  TL> I have already talked to Peter Stern and he was very nice and said that
  TL> access to it would not be relinquished to PC simply because he wants to
  TL> control it. It doesn't get any simpler or more honest than that.

Then the members of DVNET ought to sack him.

Nick

CIS: 71754,212. Internet: [e-mail]

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From: DALLAS HINTON                          Number: 515
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 11/15/93  9:35p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Ken -- on Nov 15 1993 at 18:09, you wrote:

KK> I mind! the stuff gets in here by around 9am-10 am I then
[...]
KK> that, takes the actual delivery of the mail close to dinner;

Yup -- from my perspective, PC delivery has moved my echomail some 12 hours
later :-(  The flow is from you to 153/752 to 153/2 to me -- it's usually 10 -
11 PM (!) before I see it, compared to sometime between 6 and 9 AM before we
switched.  I'm not a totally happy camper. :-)


Cheers ... Dallas

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 516
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/15/93  5:10p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Ed Marquis:

TL> Hell, myself, I think  Boyd  should  have  never  said  $30  per
TL> node.  Should have put everybody on  a  flat  rate  of  $40  per
TL> month and be done with it.  Would have saved  him  quite  a  bit
TL> of paperwork.

 Perhaps ...but my suspicions tell  me  that  it  would  have  the
 various sysops is different areas ganging up and plotting to find
 a way to use one subscription.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 517
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/15/93  5:22p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Dan Williamson:

BG> I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at
BG> 9 am or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have
BG> to modem that to the uplink.

You convinced me... I'll just sleep later... <grin>.

BTW...  I'm having a tough time getting a connection to upload my mail...  can
you add another phone line and set up the busy call forwarding feature?  This
costs only $1 a month in most areas.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 518
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 11/16/93  5:40p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ken Kavanagh wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

 BG> I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 am or even
 BG> 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to modem that to the uplink.

KK> I mind! the stuff gets in here by around 9am-10 am I then
KK> gotta get it out the door to the nets distribution hubs so
KK> they can process it and move it on to the other hubs..all
KK> that, takes the actual delivery of the mail close to dinner;
KK> Prime time for bbs callers which means the mail doesnt
KK> really get fully delivered till late evening or beyond.  The
KK> idea is to get the mail through as soon as possible which
KK> means as early in the day as possible (in my mind anyways)

But why push so hard to deliver day old mail?  If you waited 2 hrs you would
have the NEXT day's mail.  Heck... you may even start to get the messages
BERORE they are written!  <grin>

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 519
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/16/93  2:20p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

13 Nov 93, Terry Blount writes to Rick Ashworth:

 TB>  compelled to register it.  Anyone  with a  lick  of  sense  would
 TB>  realize   that   combining   several   thousand   programs    for
 TB>  distribution for a modest  price  is  not  selling  the  software
 TB>  itself ...rather it is a trade  off  for  the  free  advertising.

It's certainly no different than on CD-ROM, or on Compu$erve, or even your
local $25 per year pay-bbs-PDN site..

Rick

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 520
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/16/93  2:22p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jason!

14 Nov 93, Jason Fesler writes to Rick Ashworth:

 JF> Janis DOES spend a lot of money on this "hobby".  She DOES have to see
 JF> lawyers etc.  When you get a notice that somebody is going to take you to
 JF> court for going against the distribution license, you tend to take them
 JF> quite seriously.

And refuse to distribute their software.

 JF> Since Janis does NOT wish to spend large amounts of money defending her
 JF> hobby over legal bull in court, it was in her best interests to see a
 JF> lawyer, and find out how far they CAN go.  ESPECIALLY since the PDN
 JF> project is a volunteer effort that as far as I can tell, she's not making
 JF> money on.

I guess..  How many lawyers have you seen to insure that you have followed all
legal regulations regarding your own bbs?

 JF> Imagine that.. spending money to defend your legal right to pursue your
 JF> hobby where you help others out for free.  Where DON'T you see the "both
 JF> legal and monetary" issues involved in this volunteer setup?

Because all we are hearing is Ross Perot type "they's" and "them's" with no
specifics to substantiate the point.

 JF> My reply probably would have never been written except for such a negative
 JF> attack you place on her, whether you realize it or not.

No biggie, I've been razzed before! <g>

 JF> Organizations
 JF> _will_ come around.  Until then, at least respect the fact that they're
 JF> footing the bill to take care of protecting their family to promote free
 JF> trade of source and programming related utilities, and just don't want to
 JF> go to court over it.

It's evidently not <too> free, if the alleged authors are placing all these
alleges restrictions on the distribution.

 JF> Screw "real threat".  If the author doesn't want to fly the bird, fine, he
 JF> gets limited distrubition.  The way I take your message, if they have a
 JF> distrubition license that states specific terms, your reply is "*uck em"?

Absolutely.  Don't carry their files on PDN, don't carry them on bbs's..  What
the heck good does it do for an author to write shareware, then prevent it's
distribution?  It still makes no sense.  Do you know of any distibution license
that prohibits satellite transmission?

 JF> If you want a real answer to this -- ask Janis directly in PDNECHO or
 JF> netmail.  You're asking people who have third party information.

Those are the ones that are replying in this echo, however..

Rick

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 521
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/16/93  5:43p
Subj: Pc Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TB> ...the story continues... the local net lost its feed  last  week
TB> and has been calling all over the country trying  to  locate  and
TB> pickup the mail they were normally getting...  what  an  irony...
TB> most of it is deleted from my disc daily... and most likely  they
TB> will end up getting some of their old mail from someone  who  has
TB> picked it up from Planet Connect

Yep.

TB> It would cause these local guys more pain  to  "ween"  themselves
TB> from the land lines than the extra $100 they  are  giving  to  Ma
TB> Bell  every  month.   DON'T  ask  me  why... I  haven't a   clue.

I dunno either, Terry. One of the members of our net's CRP is about to
add a coupla more modems to his system so he can connect landline to one
of the STARS (George) to pick up the mail. This sysop is the one who was
gonna be our net's PC site, the dish was initially installed there.
Between microwave "cross-talk" and some major system problems, half the
net worked on trying to get it going at his site for 'bout 5 weeks and
finally gave up and moved it to another site, which is in range of the
airport radar, but still does better than the 1st site.

He's talking 'bout the reliability angle now...  I fail to understand
how a long-distance call to a PC site (George) is more reliable than a
LOCAL call to a PC site (me or t'other one).

Oh, well.....

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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 522
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/15/93 10:40a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> FWIW, I think those people bitching about $10 per month need a reality
-> check.

It would probably bounce.......
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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 523
  To: TONY HONAKER                             Date: 11/16/93  8:42a
Subj: Connect problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I need to find out if anyone else is having problems connecting
 > with PC sending mail back. I run the following:

 >   10:43:00  Attempting to establish mail session
 >   10:43:01  Sending EMSI handshake packet
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 > ? 10:43:33  No handshake acknowledgement received
 > ? 10:43:33  EMSI handshake failure (sending)
 >   10:43:33  Terminating call

Hi Tony:
    Turn off your EMSI handshake and give 'er a try.

Regards....Murray

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 524
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/15/93  7:02p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 13 09:54>, Terry Blount writes:

 TB>Someone has convinced a few shareware authors that it is not the quality
 TB>of their program or how many people get the opportunity to test it that
 TB> draws registrations but it is the "club" that they belong to.

Hmmmm... me thinks I'm in the wrong club then.

 TB> I have written over 40 shareware programs and I feel it would be foolish
 TB>to say that that you could have my program and then try to regulate the
 TB>vehicle you used to acquire it.

I can understand an author wanting a say over the method of distribution.  What
I can't understand is why they would have a problem with PC when the existing
filebone is basically open distribution and MaBell is making big bucks as a
result.  What we're doing here is redirecting those funds to a smaller
operation that has a different technology.

Kinda like saying it's ok to use US Mail, but not ok to ship Fed Ex.

Maybe the solution is separate PDN links, once for whomever and one for the
"Club".

later

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 525
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/15/93  7:57p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 14 23:14>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9 am
 BG>or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to modem
 BG>that to the uplink.

A couple of items to fuel the discussion, then I'm sure everyone else will have
opinions as well.

First, it is not all that seldom that I get up in the morning to find the whole
mess belly up with all 4 port in the air.  When you uplink at 0730EST, that's
0630CST (my time) and 0430PST.  Having the first uplink a little later would
make the hours more reasonable.

Secondly, my present connect schedule to the REC essentially begins at 0730am
and processes throughout the day.  It's a local call to the REC (not unlike the
downlink :-) so I don't tie up low cost hours for everyone else.  Anyway, after
processing the morning run, it's delivered during monring hours.  Hours that
are classically low user level for BBSs.  Thus the mail is ready when everyone
gets home that evening.

In short, an uplink at 10am EST would still allow downlink, processing and
delivery before the evening BBS rush hour even for the east coast.

Well, that's my perspective.  The worst hit would be the eastern time zone.
What do you guys say?

D.

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From: HECTOR MANDEL                          Number: 526
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/16/93  4:28p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 14 18:31>, Jason Fesler of 1:203/7707.1 writes:


 JF> Janis DOES spend a lot of money on this "hobby".  She DOES have
 JF> to see lawyers etc.  When you get a notice that somebody is
 JF> going to take you to court for going against the
 JF> distribution license, you tend to take them quite seriously.
 JF>

 JF> Since Janis does NOT wish to spend large amounts of money
 JF> defending her hobby over legal bull in court, it was in her
 JF> best interests to see a lawyer, and find out how far they
 JF> CAN go.  ESPECIALLY since the PDN project is a volunteer
 JF> effort that as far as I can tell, she's not making money on.
 JF>

All Janice has to do is tell us who the litigous jerks are and we'll all be
glad to remove their shareware from our BBSes!


 JF> Screw "real threat".  If the author doesn't want to fly the bird,
 JF> fine, he gets limited distrubition.  The way I take your
 JF> message, if they have a distrubition license that states
 JF> specific terms, your reply is "*uck em"?

That would be my reply too.  After all beggars can't be choosers!
It's unrealistic for them to expect us all to view each and every file that
comes through our systems.

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 527
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/16/93 11:11p
Subj: Hello from Bermuda!                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hey, here's the first Planet Connect site in Bermuda online.  Someone (not
everyone) please let me know if they receive this ok.

Just got the dish up over the weekend, and am editing files now adding areas.
The file areas were not too bad, but all those message areas - yikes!  Anyone
know of a shortcut for adding message areas to Maximus and Squish?

-=- Craig.

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 528
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/16/93  5:07a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > FWIW, I think those people bitching about $10 per month need a reality
 > check.



    Agreed, Todd.  :sigh:


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 529
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/16/93  7:32a
Subj: Dupes                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Boyd, I don't know what's going on, but I've received several dupes in
various echoes over the past few days including many in the Doorware echo just
this AM.  All of the messages that I've seen are nearly 2 weeks old and
3615/50 & 51 are listed twice in the path lines.  The following message from
Doorware is an example:

(90)    Tue 9 Nov 93  4:52      Rcvd: Tue 16 Nov  5:40
By: Bill Freads
To: Patty Pickett
Re: Re: Door Files!
St: Kill  Rcvd
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Thanks Patty, Jim send them to me on HIS dime, much
>> appreciated though.

> Wow, that was nice of him.  :)

Yes, I'll say, I was as surprised as can be, fater all, it was not required,
must be I'm living right for a change? <grin>

Bill

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 530
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/16/93  9:56p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Screw "real threat".  If the author doesn't want to fly the bird,
 > fine, he  gets limited distrubition.  The way I take your message, if they
 > have a

Perhaps it's time to be a bit unreasonable in response to some of these more
litigous threatening individuals by removing their files from the distribution
channel entirely or at the very least from bbs's in general. Possibly with a
little pressure in return, these authors will re-evaluate such a silly
position.



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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 531
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/16/93 10:04p
Subj: DIZ'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >  I probably already have it written.  Post a short sample  of  the
 >  format for TBBS files.bbs and  make a  few  comments  on  how  it
 >  handles the extended description lines.

TBBS style psuedo directories...

fullpathname.ext displayname.ext 'owner' 40 char description
!>extended description lines
!>can go on like this

the fullpathname.ext can be just the DOS filename if the psuedo directory is in
the same dir as the file. The display name can be most anything but is usually
the actual file name. The optional 'owner' is the name of the person (or
program such as tic) that 'uploaded' the file. The description lines are
limited to 40 char's and can be extended by the !>preceeding each subsequent
name. TBBS will optionally display the file date and size with a file directory
display command switch.

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From: JOHN LUONG                             Number: 532
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/13/93 10:30p
Subj: P/C Information                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All.

Read all the information in this echo, and have a few questions left:

1. Can I use a dish that was not purchased from Plannet Connect?
2. How would I do it?
3. How much for a dish from Plannet Connect?
4. Need the dish be aimed at a certain area 24 hours a day?
5. What network(s) are available?
6. How large is the flow daily?
7. Is their a FAQ [Frequently Asked Questions] file for Plannet Connect?

Thanks
John
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From: NICK ASHTON-HART                       Number: 533
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/15/93  6:43a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd:

Friday November 12 1993 19:06, Todd Lyons wrote to Greg Shaffer:

  TL> One of the points that Peter Stern made to me about DVNet is that it's a
  TL> misconception that DVNet is on the Filebone.  It's not (according to
  TL> him).  I was under the impression that if it was in FILEBONE.NA then it
  TL> was on the filebone, but he assures me not.  I dunno.

There are many areas listed in the FILEBONE.NA which are not actually ON the
filebone, but which many hilebone hubs carry. Look at the flags next to the
area and you'll quickly be able to tell what's on the filebone and what isn't.

Nick

CIS: 71754,212. Internet: [e-mail]

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From: LISA GRONKE                            Number: 534
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 11/16/93  9:49a
Subj: ELIST                                   Refer: NONE
Read: 11/18/93  3:21p                       Private: No

You need to post a message in the ZEC echo, addressed to 'Backbone' with your
ELIST entry or confirmation and distribution information showing 25 nodes
connected and 25 messages a week. None of that should create any problem.

Dan Buda will add it to the next fidostat.na. Then two or three RECs need to
say they want it (they usually do this in a public message in the ZEC echo).

A summary of the procedure can be found in any edition of fidostat.na (it comes
out weekly and should be available from your NEC).

Lisa Gronke (aka Ruby Tuesday)
Usually found at 1:105/6


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From: TONY HONAKER                           Number: 535
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 11/17/93  5:41p
Subj: Connect problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  > I need to find out if anyone else is having problems connecting
->  > with PC sending mail back. I run the following:

->  >   10:43:00  Attempting to establish ->  >   10:43:01  Sending EMSI
handshake packet
->     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
->  > ? 10:43:33  No handshake acknowledgement received
->  > ? 10:43:33  EMSI handshake failure (sending)
->  >   10:43:33  Terminating call

-> Hi Tony:
->     Turn off your EMSI handshake and give 'er a try.

Well see if I can... Intermail supports say I can't do it.. Just seems funny
that I can hookup with every DB but that one...


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 536
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 11/17/93 11:45a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Dave   Osborne   wrote   in  a   message   to    Terry    Blount:


DO> Kinda like saying it's ok to use US Mail, but  not  ok  to  ship
DO> Fed Ex.

 Exactly my point.  However it appears that someone has  convinced
 some shareware authors that no one using Fedx will  register  and
 everyone using the US Mail will.  Must  be  the  US  Mail...  <g>

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 537
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 11/17/93 11:48a
Subj: DIZ'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Tracy   Mickley   wrote   in  a   message   to   Terry    Blount:

TM> fullpathname.ext displayname.ext  'owner'  40  char  description

!>extended description lines
!>can go on like this

 Humm... I'm confused...  If the fullpath name  must  be  included
 before EVERY file name that is opening a big can of  worms.   Why
 would so much redundant  info  be  necessary  when  it  could  be
 included   only   once   in   some   kind   of   control    file?

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 538
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 11/17/93  9:10p
Subj: Hello from Bermuda!                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Craig Clark wrote in a message to All:

CC> Just got the dish up over the weekend, and am editing files
CC> now adding areas.  The file areas were not too bad, but all
CC> those message areas - yikes!  Anyone know of a shortcut for
CC> adding message areas to Maximus and Squish?

                           W A N T E D

                            written by

                     Terry Blount 1:3625/441

               Freq the magic file name "Wanted"

 This program can be freely distributed provide it is not modified.

 Purpose:

 Since the advent of the Satellite (Planet  Connect)  distribution
 of the Fidonet backbone, many of you may  start  pulling  in  the
 entire feed and then find it a lot of work to  configure  Maximus
 to carry hundred's of conferences  and  keep  your  message  base
 configuration for Maximus consistent with the Squish.cfg. Many of
 you already may be carrying hundreds of conferences and  some  of
 you may want a simple way to  manage  both  your  Squish.cfg  and
 MsgArea.ctl so that they both reflect  any  modification  in  the
 message   areas   you   want   to    pick    up    or    exclude.

 I have written a  utility  to  update  or  setup  Squish.cfg  and
 MsgArea.ctl to reflect the areas that are listed in a text  file.
 Ie. "Fidonet.na"

 From now on I only have to  edit the listing and add or take  out
 any conferences that I wish to change... then I run this  utility
 "Wanted"    and    it    rebuilds    those    control      files.

 There  are 2  rules  you  must  follow  to  use   this   utility:

 1. The name of you text file that lists the echo  areas  must  be
 "Echo.lst"  and the description of the conferences must begin  on
 column #21.

 2. You must have a copy of Squish.cfg named "Squish" and all
 lines that begin with "EchoArea" must be removed.

When Wanted runs it will copy your info from "Squish" then
append the EchoArea lines to the Squish.cfg it builds from your Echo.lst ascii
text file.  MsgArea.ctl will have a netmail
conference setup with ASSTsysop security level. MsgArea.ctl will use the
descriptions for the file areas that are found starting on column #21 of
Fidonet.na and it will be setup to support
BlueWave for maximus.

You will need to answer the following questions when Wanted
runs:


Please enter YOUR Fidonet node number.
Please enter the Fidonet node number for your HUB.
Please enter the PATH to your MESSAGE directory.
Please enter the PATH to your NET MAIL directory.
Please enter the maximum NUMBER of messages you want to keep in each area.
Please enter the number of DAYS of mail you want to keep in each area.


                     Notes from MsgArea.ctl


WARNING!  If you happen to "renumber" the area numbers within this file (such
as by changing message area 2 to area 1, and then changing area 3 to area 2,
and so on), make sure to delete \MAX\MTAG.BBS and \MAX\OLR\DATS\*.*.  This is
only a concern when changing the name/number of every area; those two files
contain information about tagged message areas and the QWK area pointers.  If
you change many area numbers without deleting these files, uploaded QWK
messages and message tagging information may be incorrect.

--- timEd-A10c
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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 539
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 11/17/93  4:35p
Subj: Hello from Bermuda!                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hey, here's the first Planet Connect site in Bermuda online.
 > Someone (not everyone) please let me know if they receive this

Receiving loud and clear on Vancouver Island (West Coast of Canada)

 > Just got the dish up over the weekend, and am editing files now
 > adding areas.  The file areas were not too bad, but all those
 > message areas - yikes!  Anyone know of a shortcut for adding
 > message areas to Maximus and Squish?

Sure......get SuperBBS and FMail or Gecho and use the HMB.

Regards....Murray

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 540
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 11/17/93 10:45p
Subj: WHERE ARE YOU????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Ken,

If I had my druthers, I'd prefer to see the data coming down from the bird
starting at around 02:00am EST so that it could be processed before the
business day starts. Right now, I don't get everything in till around 10-10:30,
and then my system takes about an hour to 1.5 hours to process everything
during prime time. I've considered just sitting on it till after 01:00am the
next morning and processing it then, but it would be two days late already.
This too is an unacceptable solution.

I'm puzzled by your remarks. Your province is three time zones behind us. So
your downlink starts at about 04:30 PST daily. Isn't that ideal for you? You
could have everything down, processed and out by 09:00am daily.

Regards



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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 541
  To: RIC WALSH                                Date: 11/17/93 10:59p
Subj: SUGGESTION...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I'd like to see a second "switch" which would blank all but the
 > status lines.
 > Old monochrome monitors tend to get burned in after long exposure to
 > the same screen.

I use a screen blanker set to 5 minutes. However, when I press a key to restore
the screen, the current file gets an error. Somehow I think the main prg is too
sensitive to the keyboard. .. wish something could be done about that...

Regards



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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 542
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 11/17/93  5:38p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Murray!

Monday November 15 1993, Murray Pletsch writes to Boyd Goodin:

 >> I can do it if you dont mind the files going over the sat at 9
 >> am or even 10 am instead of 7:30. Remember we still have to
 >> modem that to the uplink.

 MP> I don't mind....!

I would not care to have that, let's see, Currently we have

 7:00 am, Days Feed down from the Satellite
10:00 am, Feed is ready to Process
11:30 am, Mail arrives at the Top Hubs
 1:00 pm, Mail begins to flow from the Hubs to Nodes

by 5pm Most nodes have their daily mail

Add 3 hours to this, 10:00am Feed start time rather than 7:00am and you get
to begin sending the days mail to nodea around 4 or 5pm, all these nodes re
guess what, busy with BBS users... School is out, and mail connects with Other
Hubs/Nodes are impossible

Having the feed of the day begin at 7:00 am and end at 10:00 pm is difficult
enough for distribution, delaying it later will put it on my system a bit
earlier, but the other hubs/nodes will not see any improvement, most will
likely see an additional 12 hour delay in receiving up to date mail.

My Opinion, others are entitles to their own :)

Cheers, Ervin

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 543
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/17/93  5:28p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

Monday November 15 1993, Terry Blount writes to Todd Lyons:

 TL>> node.  Should have put everybody on  a  flat  rate  of  $40  per

 TB>  Perhaps ...but my suspicions tell  me  that  it  would  have  the
 TB>  various sysops is different areas ganging up and plotting to find
 TB>  a way to use one subscription.

...and..., not sure what you mean here, as that is already happening if the
PCDownSite pays $40.00/mo to PC, and is what the additional $10.00 gives him.

Cheers, Ervin

... Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse.

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 544
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/17/93  5:31p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

Tuesday November 16 1993, Terry Blount writes to Ken Kavanagh:

 KK>> that, takes the actual delivery of the mail close to dinner;
 KK>> Prime time for bbs callers which means the mail doesnt
 KK>> really get fully delivered till late evening or beyond.  The

 TB> But why push so hard to deliver day old mail?  If you waited 2 hrs you
 TB> would have the NEXT day's mail.  Heck... you may even start to get the
 TB> messages BERORE they are written!  <grin>

Adding another 2 - 3 hours would definetly push it into prime BBS/impossible
BBS connect time.

Why push so hard to have fresher mail that simply sits around on the hub
system(s) till 1 or 2am the "next" morning.....

Seems more futile to me :(

Cheers, Ervin

... There's no future in time travel.

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From: DAVID BLUM                             Number: 545
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 11/17/93  8:13p
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Patty Pickett wrote in a message to Todd Lyons:

 > Who has it for freq?
 >
 > What file name?



PP>     GMD_310.ZIP (182k)  HST DS 16k8 from me at 1:380/5.


PP>                         --)@  Patty  @(--

I got the file from you and it works great,  but how do I keep it from sending
messages back to Boyd about the grunged messages.  As I'm sure that he has
better things to do than read those messages<G>, right Boyd..

Good Bye & Good Luck,
           Dave

--- timEd-B9
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From: JD BROWN                               Number: 546
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/16/93  9:27a
Subj: Os/2 2.1ga                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CIS: 72027,2432  Internet: [e-mail]   IBM LINK @
DEV0580

BG> > With OS/2 for Windows pricing at $50, a whole lot more persons are going
BG> > to
BG> > be joining the OS/2 family...Oh Boyd??? 8-)
BG>
BG>     Well i am not sure if the software will work under OS2. One thing I do
BG> know is that the "LOCK" will not work. I talked to the
BG> company that makes them they said it worked under OS2 2.0
BG> but not under 2.1 and IBM wont tell tehm what they changed
BG> so that Aztec could make changes to support the 2.1
BG> version. YOu might want to tell IBM to give them a hand or
BG> at least tell them what they changed.


Boyd,

  OS/2 2.1 will not allow a DOS session with a Hardware Lock to work
  due to several changes. The biggest being a greater level of protection
  to hardware access in a effort to increase system protection.
  The printer API was changed to fix some problems with DOS program
  access to printer ports and OS/2's ability to assign multiple virtual printer
  ports to a single physical printer port.
  Also, a lot of modifications were made in the bi-directional parts of the
  printer drivers. Tell Aztec to look at the bi-directional function calls, to
  use C Set Plus Plus, and to set their "security" code up as a DLL linked
  to the main program via a device driver.

  A native OS/2 program would not have this problem provided they set up
  their security as a device driver that was ASSIGNED to the physical printer
  port where the lock was placed.

  If you want to look into the porting of the software to OS/2, then you can
  call me voice at 615-454-0505 and I will be glad to discuss it with you.

  Also, I have a security method for OS/2 that would allow you to do away with
  the hardware lock and maintain the same level of security the lock provides
  now, in fact, an even greater level, considering the availability of software
  that will break the Aztec lock and every other dongle on the market.




___
 ■ KWQ/2 1.2a ■ "Protection of the consumer by regulation is illusory." -

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 547
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 11/17/93  7:32p
Subj: Hello from Bermuda!                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > bad, but all those message areas - yikes!  Anyone know
 > of a shortcut for adding message areas to Maximus and
 > Squish?

    Not sure about those, but if you will give me the "format" sample for each
I will add them to my A2C.EXE I wrote for us PCBoard ops, and that way it will
benefit you and any others joining...

Ozzman...

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 548
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 11/17/93  6:08p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message to Jason Fesler, Rick Ashworth said:

RA>I guess..  How many lawyers have you seen to insure that you have
RA>followed all legal regulations regarding your own bbs?


I haven't.  I write my own software; I keep only stuff that relates to the
software that I write, and utilities etc that may be useful to that end.  I do
get the PDN.  My system is not really a file center; it is more of a net
services site, that provides various options like internet gateways for the
net, as well as advanced file search systems, allowing sysops/users/whatever to
use my system to find what they are looking for.  I'm rather THANKFUL that I am
not a major _file_ resource; my phone line is more than busy enough as it is!


 JF> gets limited distrubition.  The way I take your message, if they have a
 JF> distrubition license that states specific terms, your reply is "*uck em"?

RA>Absolutely.  Don't carry their files on PDN, don't carry them on
RA>bbs's..  What the heck good does it do for an author to write
RA>shareware, then prevent it's distribution?  It still makes no sense.
RA>Do you know of any distibution license that prohibits satellite
RA>transmission?

Refusing transport is a reasonable alternative, as long as you are not simply
ignoring their distribution license.  Your previous message sounded more like
"screw their requirements, make them fly anyways."

 JF> If you want a real answer to this -- ask Janis directly in PDNECHO or
 JF> netmail.  You're asking people who have third party information.

RA>Those are the ones that are replying in this echo, however..

I would suggest looking into getting the "PDNECHO" area then, and ask _there_.
Discussing this behind _their_ backs, and expecting good definitive answers,
just won't work.

Meet ya there.


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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 549
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 11/18/93  1:05p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Ervin,

17 Nov 93, 17:31, Ervin Jay wrote to Terry Blount:

 EJ> Why push so hard to have fresher mail that simply sits around on the
 EJ> hub system(s) till 1 or 2am the "next" morning.....

If the downlinks know an approximate time when it will finish, let them
decide whether it's more important to get the new mail or let the user's on
line, (ie, let them poll whenever they choose).


--- Squish v1.01
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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 550
  To: DAVID BLUM                               Date: 11/18/93  1:06p
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi David,

17 Nov 93, 20:13, David Blum wrote to Patty Pickett:

 DB> I got the file from you and it works great,  but how do I keep it from
 DB> sending messages back to Boyd about the grunged messages.  As I'm sure
 DB> that he has better things to do than read those messages<G>, right
 DB> Boyd..

Use NetManager to delete them.  Available here as NTMGR94.ARJ 2400+ except
ZMH.



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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 551
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/18/93  5:13p
Subj: Hi!                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

If this message is being recieved please respond, thanks...

                                           ...Di

 * WCE 1.10/2184 * ... Sysops are guilty of baudy behavior.


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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 552
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/21/93  8:44a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  GS> If its in FILEBONE.NA then its on the filebone......

 > JW> That is incorrect.  If it's listed in Filebone.Na with a "!"
 > JW> flag, _then_ it's on the Filebone.

 > Hmmmm I could have sworn thats what I said......

Actually.  If you read the FILEBONE.NA you'll find it says

  "Only Filechoses with the "!" are actually distributed on the filebone"

Not too much confusion there ...

 > [e-mail]

What's with this address?  If you had a real/differant InterNET address it
might make sense, but advertising a gated fidonet address IN fidonet doesn't
really make any sense, *especially* since the same address is included in your
origin line...  (quoted below for your information)

 >  _ Origin:  RC must stand for remote *CONTROL*  (1:370/510)

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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 553
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/21/93  1:26p
Subj: Password?                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I've notice recently that several mail bags are comming in without a password
and my system is kicking them into the "bad dir".  What is the scoop on that?


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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 554
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 11/21/93 10:55p
Subj: Re: Password?                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I've notice recently that several mail bags are comming in without a
> password and my system is kicking them into the "bad dir".  What is the
> scoop on that?

   Made the unforgiving mistake of changing a config file. There might be a
couple in todays but that should be the last you will see without a password in
them.


...Boyd

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 555
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/19/93  7:01p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> We will be. We are waiting on some modems and will put them on line as soon
-> as possible.

Are they Hayes 28800 modems by any chance?  If so, please consider this an
official request for the #.

Very pleased customer,
Mike

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From: ALBERT GAYLORD                         Number: 556
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/21/93  7:01p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Thursday November 18 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Dave Osborne:


 >> everyone else.  Anyway, after processing the morning run, it's delivered
 >> during monring hours.  Hours that are classically low user level for
 >> BBSs.  Thus the mail is ready when everyone gets home that evening.

 >> In short, an uplink at 10am EST would still allow downlink, processing
 >> and delivery before the evening BBS rush hour even for the east coast.

 BG>   Note taken. I am just getting a feel for this. There will come a time
 BG> when everything will go out just after it is processed.

Before too many people try to convince you to make the feed to the bird earlier
or later, you might just want to study the impact Net105 is going to have on
your feed.

For any of you that don't know what I am talking about, just look in your
nodelists at Europe Gate, Asia Gate, etc.  Notice the area code 503.  That is
Portland, Oregon and Net105.  All the mail to and from the Gates goes through
Portland and Net105.

Currently we insert 15% - 20% of the backbone into 209/209 (Western Star) at
4 a.m. PST (7 a.m. EST).  That insertion will not have had time to travel to
the Southern Star and get uplinked into the PC feed by 7:30 EST, so all the
European, Asian, Australian, etc., mail waits until the next morning.

However, over the next couple of weeks we will be altering where we send our
outbound mail as we connect into PC.

So, if all the mail from Net105 reaches PC in our connection with them at say
1 a.m. PST (4 a.m. EST), all the Net105 and international mail (15% - 20% of
the backbone feed) will be at PC's uplink site 3 1/2 - 4 hours before it
currently arrives.  I mean, if you say pretty please to us, we may even send it
to you at 11 p.m. PST (2 a.m. EST).  Might just make a small difference in when
and how you schedule your uplink to the bird.

It may just warrant waiting a couple of weeks to see what impact we have on the
timeliness of the backbone feed to the uplink site.  Maybe the uplink could
happen an hour or three earlier, instead of later.

Who knows.  It may not have any effect at all though I rather doubt it.

Albert Gaylord
A soon-to-be Planet Connect SHub in Net105

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From: DAVID LUTJEN                           Number: 557
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/21/93  9:39p
Subj: SUGGESTION...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Saturday November 20 1993 21:24, Ken Jackson wrote to Jason Fesler:

 JF>> ... German word for bra:  stoppenzefloppen

 KJ> I see you've been watching too much Benny Hill.......

The correct translation is almost as humorous:  Bustenhalter


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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 558
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/21/93  1:48a
Subj: New node getting this ech               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> heart of the problem I describe. Advancing these
-> uplink/downlink times to something like 02:00 EST may be
-> beneficial to making the PC system more 'current'.

That would put things at 23:00 PST. This would over run the West Coast ZMH by
an hour if we started our downlink at 23:00 and it took 3 hours we'd never be
online for ZMH.

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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 559
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/20/93 11:18p
Subj: Planet Connect/Desqview                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd

Since receiving the PC receiver at the beginning of this month, I had some
minor tweaking to do to get the receiver to get all the mail packets
without errors.
We have been running the system now for a few weeks down here in
Aruba, and it has been working out quite well. Sure beats having to call
Long Distance to get all those echo's into the system.

We are running the FD/RA (1 line) and Planet Connect under Desqview while
having 4-5 windows open and still receive everything from the bird in
the sky without any errors. I have to enable the 16550 uart's to keep
the error rate down to a minimum. The only times I get some errors is
when doing intensive hardisk sorts and we might see a or two file come
in with errors.

I have not been able to get the PCUTIL NEXT3 to work properly, while the
PCUTIL CHECK# does work.
I tried freqing PCUTIL from the author to get a update but no luck.
Any Hints??

Keep up the good work

Jacob



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From: JOHN BIERRIE                           Number: 560
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/21/93  5:26a
Subj: Things...                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd Lyons, in a message to Tim Jacobs, you wrote:

 >  > I WANNA MULTI-TASK THE PC CONNECT...
 >
 > If it works in Windows it will work in OS/2, What did you have to do ti
 > get it to work.?

TL> I wasn't paying attention to whomever wrote this, but I can
TL> run PC under DesqView, however if I open a window or do
TL> anything remotely resembling touching the keyboard, it gets
TL> errors and trashes the file.  I'll be excited when I see
TL> something other than PTC1009.ZIP come over :)

Todd,
     We do it here with no problems that I know of on a 486 SX 33mhz.  This may
sound funny (in a way), but we found that by using a fossil on COM2 (where PC
is connected) and turning on the FIFO's helped a great deal in eliminating much
of the "touchyness".  BTW... we generally have 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2
line board, "PC" and whatever I'm doing) and the system really does seem to run
ok...

John

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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 561
  To: JEFF WARD                                Date: 11/22/93  9:09p
Subj: Re: .Tic for Nodediff                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Jeff Ward to All <=-

 JW> Just wanted to check. Was I the only one who didn't get a Tic file
 JW> for the NodeDiff on Saturday. Thanks!

I did not get on over here either.
TTYL
Jacob



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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 562
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 11/23/93  9:45p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting JOE LYDA to BOYD GOODIN <=-

 JL> I just got mine all automated here and have a big question.  Is
 JL> the PCUSENET going to blossum into the full UseNet or is it going
 JL> to remain slim and trim?  I should get the necessary files to
 JL> handle it tomorrow and see what is there.  Also will you be
 JL> providing the gateway into Internet?
 JL>  ! Origin: Net 3622 Echomail Corrdinator 1:3622/1000 (1:3622/1000)

Joe

I am interested in what files/programs I would need to handle the
PCUSENET files on our system here. Can you supply any information on
this.

TTYL

Jacob Oduber
sysop H.O.T. Beach BBS Aruba 1:18/21



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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 563
  To: JOHN BIERRIE                             Date: 11/24/93 11:03p
Subj: Re: Things...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting John Bierrie to Todd Lyons <=-

 JB> Todd Lyons, in a message to Tim Jacobs, you wrote:

 >  > I WANNA MULTI-TASK THE PC CONNECT...


 JB> We do it here with no problems that I know of on a 486 SX 33mhz.
 JB> This may sound funny (in a way), but we found that by using a fossil
 JB> on COM2 (where PC is connected) and turning on the FIFO's helped a
 JB> great deal in eliminating much of the "touchyness".  BTW... we
 JB> generally have 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2 line board, "PC" and
 JB> whatever I'm doing) and the system really does seem to run ok...
 JB> John


Same here, with about the same setup running under desqview. I enable
the uart with the 16550 utility which locks the uart buffer.

Even been running hyperdisk on the system to improve the tossing
performance without any major problems under desqview.

ttyl

Jacob


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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 564
  To: NICK ASHTON-HART                         Date: 11/23/93 10:09p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Nick Ashton-hart wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

NA> Hello Greg:

NA> Sunday November 14 1993 15:04, Greg Shaffer wrote to Todd
NA> Lyons:

  GS> If its in FILEBONE.NA then its on the filebone......

NA> Not so. Look at the top of the file where the key is to the
NA> ! and ., etc.

I could have sworn thats what I said....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 565
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/23/93 10:13p
Subj: Squish Mail Tosser                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Glenn Vermette:

JF> Glenn Vermette wrote in a message to All:

GV> Can anyone who is currently using Planet Connect tell me if
GV> Squish will automatically accept packets with the .MOA to
GV> MOZ extensions, without creating some fancy batch file?

JF> We're getting ready to do the P_C thing.  From experience as
JF> as usenet gate,  Squish only handles standard arcmail names,
JF> and will ignore anything else.   You will need to rename
JF> them, or unpack them manually before calling the mail
JF> processor.

Your experiance is lacking then.....Squish handles those extensions just
fine....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 566
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 11/23/93 10:16p
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is
TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now.

Amen......

[e-mail]

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 567
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 11/22/93 11:39a
Subj: Hello from Bermuda!                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Craig Clark wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

 -=> Quoting Terry Blount to Craig Clark <=-

 TB> W A N T E D
 TB> written by
 TB> Terry Blount 1:3625/441

 TB> Freq the magic file name "Wanted"

CC> Thanks for the info - I'll be calling in a few minutes to
CC> pick it up. I'm tired from staying up half the night
CC> updating Max and Squish's control files.


Sorry you had problems....  I forgot to include the revised
version in the archive when I updated the docs.  I sent it to you along with a
netmail message.  Anyone else who has freq'ed "Wanted" should do it again and
get the version that works.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 568
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 11/22/93 11:29p
Subj: DIZ'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jim Dunmyer wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

 >  would so much redundant  info  be  necessary  when  it  could  be
 >  included   only   once   in   some   kind   of   control    file?

JD> Terry,
JD>  The reason for TBBS' psuedo-directory style is that it
JD> gives you the ability to have the file in a different
JD> directory than where the listing resides.
...
JD> Another reason for the psuedo-name/real-name scheme is to
JD> allow non-DOS filenames.

I see...  I never have seen it doen this way.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 569
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 11/23/93  5:33p
Subj: Planet Connect/Desqview                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jacobo Oduber wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

JO> to a minimum. The only times I get some errors is when doing
JO> intensive hardisk sorts and we might see a or two file come
JO> in with errors.

Try setting your tics to 1 and 1.
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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 570
  To: BOYD GODDIN                              Date: 11/24/93 11:13a
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Hello Boyd!

 We all seem to be getting a flood of netmail addressed  to  other
 folks who are having problems.  Would it  be  too  difficult  for
 you put those message on hold so that when  they  poll  you  with
 reply mail they would pick up these  messages?     I  seems  that
 method would  be a  more  professional  method  of  dealing  with
 individual problems.

 Let us be glad and rejoice, for the marriage of the Lamb is come,(Rev.19:7)

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 571
  To: DAVID LUTJEN                             Date: 11/23/93  3:46p
Subj: SUGGESTION...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

David Lutjen wrote in a message to Ken Jackson:

DL> The correct translation is almost as humorous:  Bustenhalter

And invented, oddly enough by a Herr Titzlinger

Sort of like the invention of the flush toilet by Thomas Crapper.


                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 572
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 11/24/93 12:23p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECHO              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  I run TBBS and a Mail Muncher "nanny" here to handle all the hubbing
 > duties, including Tick file processing. Tick takes just a few minutes to
 > run, tossing all the new files into download areas, updating the .DIR's,
 > and passing stuff along to my downlinks.

Jim...

Could you 'splain your TICK processing secrets??  I'm running the same basic
system as you, but have run into many file collisions across the LAN with TICK
trying to add to an open .?LO file.

I've just ended up letting TICK run only with the BBS is down, so TICK and TIMS
won't fight over .?LO files....  (as well as .PT files..)

Thanks!

                                --==jb==--

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 573
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/24/93  9:11a
Subj: Planet Connect Echo                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

KJ> IS it going to be allowed on the backbone?
KJ> WHEN is it going to be allowed on the backbone?
KJ> WHY can't/won't you or Tim reply about this?


Just a note for ya - since this is considered commercial, Backbone won't
carry it.  They  _could_ limit it to strictly support/etc, and refuse to
answer any and all questions re: price.  This is how the FDECHO is structured
today.  However, once _business_ starts going across the wire, backbone will
drop it, as they don't wish to pay for other people's business.

KJ> I'd like some facts on this because the Planet Connect
KJ> dialoque will simply not go away from the TVRO (Satellite
KJ> TV) Echo.  When I ask people to take their queries to
KJ> PLANET_CONNECT they tell me they can't request it.

Point them to people who ARE connected.  Most people shouldn't mind polling
for it, as it directly relates to _saving_ money ;-) ..




Jason Fesler
[e-mail]


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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 574
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/25/93  4:41a
Subj: .Tic for Nodediff                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  JW>  Just wanted to check. Was I the only one who didn't get a Tic file for
 > JW> the NodeDiff on Saturday. Thanks!
 > No, you weren't! I didn't get it either. Glad you said something -
 > thought it was my system or something...

Me three.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 575
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 11/25/93  4:43a
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is annoying to
 > have to wade through these every day now.

<Grin> I rather like those.  I haven't seen our net in there once yet. ;)

But I would change the reporting period to Monday 12:01am to Thursday 11:59pm
                                       and Friday 12:01am to Sunday 11:59pm

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 576
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 11/25/93  4:45a
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hey Boyd, I think you are doing prety good with all this stuff.
 > I just got mine all automated here and have a big question.  Is
 > the PCUSENET going to blossum into the full UseNet or is it going
 > to remain slim and trim?  I should get the necessary files to

The plans are the whole thing.

 > handle it tomorrow and see what is there.  Also will you be
 > providing the gateway into Internet?

No, but I'm working on being able to provide a gateway back to anybody who
wants it, either directly or indirectly (through me or direct to the
gateway).  Don't hold me to it, but I'm working on it.

See ya                                                            todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 577
  To: JOHN BIERRIE                             Date: 11/25/93  4:48a
Subj: Things...                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >      We do it here with no problems that I know of on a 486 SX 33mhz.

I have slimmer pickings.  A 386SX/25 with 2 megs of ram.

 > This may sound funny (in a way), but we found that by using a fossil on
 > COM2 (where PC is connected) and turning on the FIFO's helped a great
 > deal in eliminating much of the "touchyness".  BTW... we generally have
 > 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2 line board, "PC" and whatever I'm doing)
 > and the system really does seem to run ok...

<green with envy>

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: GARY BERG                              Number: 578
  To: JEFF WARD                                Date: 11/24/93  8:21p
Subj: .Tic for Nodediff                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >>  JW>  Just wanted to check. Was I the only one who didn't get a Tic file fo
 > r
 >>  JW> the NodeDiff on Saturday. Thanks!

 >> No, you weren't! I didn't get it either. Glad you said
 >> something - thought it was my system or something...

 >  Thanks for the reply. I was beginning to wonder there
 > myself for a minute. Now, if we only knew why we
 > didn't get it. Oversight? Later!

 It'd save some griping this way as well.....

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 579
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/24/93  3:15p
Subj: Planet Connect Echo                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 KJ> Boyd--

 KJ> This was in today's ZEC echo. Can someone give us an
 KJ> ANSWER to this so people

 KJ> IS it going to be allowed on the backbone?
 KJ> WHEN is it going to be allowed on the backbone?
 KJ> WHY can't/won't you or Tim reply about this?


It's pretty well there now.  Fairly sure all three zone hubs have it, and I'm
quite suprised at all the downlinks coming from here.



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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 580
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 11/24/93  3:16p
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It
 TM> is annoying to have to wade through these every day
 TM> now.


Depending on the messages are based on, might it not be better to correct to
the software on your end that is causing those messages to be generated?  At
PC's level, considering the implications if a problem does occur, they pretty
well have to run _something_ to keep an eye on the inbound...



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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 581
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93 10:44a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Boyd   Goodin   wrote   in  a   message    to    Terry    Blount:

> We all seem to be getting a flood of netmail addressed  to   other
> folks who are having problems.  Would it  be  too  difficult   for
BG>
BG>   Working on it. Seems to have  stopped  ever  since  I  stopped
BG> alowing routed netmail through our system.

 Thanks...  now if you could only  fix  it  so  that  we  can  use
 routed net mail through your system and pick it up when  we  call
 in with our reply mail.  I polled my old hub a few days  ago  and
 found about 15 routed netmail  messages  that  had  been  waiting
 there for over a month.  Needless to say that I lost  some  sales
 that could have helped me pay my Planet Connect subscription  fee
 <grin>. It is really difficult to  try  to  teach  everyone  that
 CRASH netmail is the ONLY option that is now  available  to  most
 of us who are using  Planet  Connect.   Since  EVERY  moderator's
 most frequently posted message is  "Take  this  to  netmail"   we
 really need to get routed netmail working  properly  so  that  we
 can pick it up when we poll you.  I'm sure you are aware  of  the
 effects it would have on your business if routed netmail did  not
 work.

 Thanks for your ear.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 582
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 11/25/93  4:47p
Subj: Re: Things...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Jacobo   Oduber   wrote   in  a   message   to   John    Bierrie:

JO> Same here, with about the same  setup  running  under  desqview.
JO> I enable  the uart  with  the  16550  utility  which  locks  the
JO> uart buffer.

JO> Even been  running  hyperdisk  on  the  system  to  improve  the
JO>  tossing    performance  without  any  major   problems    under
JO> desqview.

 That is basically what I've been  doing  except I  uncompress  my
 mail bundles to a ram drive then tossing is so  much  faster.  If
 Boyd would break up the  trasnmissions  into  smaller  sessions I
 would really like to run the whole show on a  ram  disk. I  don't
 like my _expensive_ hard drive coming  on  and  going  off  every second.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 583
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93  4:53p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

BG>    Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys
BG> tossing your mail?

We are tossing it as it arrives.... however catching an open line to send
replies back to you is what causes the 3 day lag. I have often set my reply
mail as crash so it would keep polling all night.

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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 584
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93  1:09p
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd,

24 Nov 93, 23:46, Boyd Goodin wrote to All:

 BG> that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is not in
 BG> the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT!

The stars and most of the RECs were handling echos in Fidonet.no also.  It
should be rather simple to handle those also.  Would you please reconsider.
Things are fragmented enough as is.



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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 585
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/25/93  2:06a
Subj: Squish Mail Tosser                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jason!

Sunday November 21 1993, Jason Fesler writes to Glenn Vermette:

 JF> We're getting ready to do the P_C thing.  From experience as as usenet
 JF> gate, Squish only handles standard arcmail names, and will ignore anything
 JF> else.  You will need to rename them, or unpack them manually before
 JF> calling the mail processor.

Or, use SPAZ or GUS to blast 'em open before Squish gets hold of them...

Cheers, Ervin

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From: JACK WINSLADE                          Number: 586
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93  5:08p
Subj: Usenet ??                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

We've noticed that some (test?) Usenet material has started to come in.
Is this to continue ??  The files so far look like they will feed directly
in to our cnews system.

Where do things stand as far as getting the Usenet areas flowing from
the bird ??

OBTW, here in Omaha it seems to be going quite well with PC.

Thanks    Good day      JSW


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From: SYSOP                                  Number: 587
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93 10:45p
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>> Boyd
BG>
BG>> Hows about releasin the Beta DV version of the PC Software and attach a
BG>> USE AT OWN RISK clause, I sure could use it as I am getting some strange
BG>> errors every now and again...
BG>
BG>   It is being sent over the sat as PTC1123.ZIP. This is a MUST use version.
BG>Mea
BG>ning the 1009 version will be obsolete after the 29th of this month.
BG>
BG>....Boyd

Whoa!!!  Must use?  I loaded PTC1123.ZIP on my system immediately after
receiving it.  For the first time in 45 days since installing my PC
system it crashed during the first night knocking the workstation off of
my network!  The screen was blank with a blinking cursor.  I am now
running v1009 dependably again.

Are you telling me that I am going to HAVE to move to my office to
babysit PC?  Guess again!

-Tim


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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 588
  To: NICK ASHTON-HART                         Date: 11/24/93  5:48p
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Nick Ashton-hart wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

NA> Hello Greg:

NA> Saturday November 20 1993 21:57, Greg Shaffer wrote to Jim
NA> Watson:

  GS>> If its in FILEBONE.NA then its on the filebone......

  JW>> That is incorrect.  If it's listed in Filebone.Na with a "!"
  JW>> flag, _then_ it's on the Filebone.

  GS> Hmmmm I could have sworn thats what I said......

NA> There are plenty of areas in FILEBONE.NA which do not have
NA> the '!' flag, therefore, what you said is incorrect...

No, what I see quoted above from me is not all I said I dont think.....no
matter, if thats not what I said then I stand
corrected.....feel better now? :)

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 589
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93  3:27p
Subj: Re: Hidden Seen-Bys                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Ervin Jay:

> Part of the mail dump (3 megs, 1200+ msgs) received today contained
> Seen-Bys
> which were behind a ^A kludge, in effect making them hidden, causing them
> to be untossable, filling my Bad_Msg dir (and drive, crashing the system)
> :((
BG>
BG>    It was our system. From now on if ANY receiving system
BG> sees a problem with the bundles going over the sat then
BG> leave a message in the PCSITES echo. This is our private
BG> echo.

Well I have to gather that PCSITES -never- -ever- gets any posts.....cuz there
has never been a message in it here.....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 590
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93  3:28p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

> Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:
BG>
> TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is
> TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now.
BG>
> Amen......
BG>
BG>    Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys
BG> tossing your mail?

THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail......

[e-mail]

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From: HECTOR MANDEL                          Number: 591
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93 12:05p
Subj: PTC1123                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No







                         T H A N K  Y O U  !!!!!!!!

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 592
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 11/25/93 11:54a
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I am interested in what files/programs I would need to handle the
 > PCUSENET files on our system here. Can you supply any information on
 > this.

Freq me for WAFFLE (magic name) or WAF*.* (might get something else too :) and
get these:

WAF165   ARJ    507098 04-01-93   6:02a
WAFINFO  ZIP      2827 11-25-93  11:51a
        2 file(s)     509925 bytes

The first is the archive for Waffle.  The second is info on how I have it
setup on my system.  I have it setup to receive mail just fine.  What I
haven't done yet is: 1)  Batch mail to feed to other nodes 2)  Configure the
system to return replies (I don't have a gate yet...but working on that)

Freq's welcome 24 hours/day, 1:3807/401 (Hayes) or 1:3807/402 (USR Sportster)
both at 14.4 V.32bis.  Unlisted freq's welcome.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 593
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93 11:57a
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > > ALLRIGHT!  So are we!  Please keep us informed...
 >
 >    Looks like it may be a while though. I see we aren't the only ones
 > behind in shipping.

Yes, they quoted us 2 1/2 weeks before they get the current waiting list
fulfilled.  Have you given much thought which node you will be putting it on?
I am currently polling node 2 and may wish to edit your nodelist entry to get
whatever number that 28.8 is on.

See ya                                                               Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 594
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/25/93 12:00p
Subj: Things...                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TL>Usenet:  WAFFLE.  Will let you know more tonight.  Tonight is the night I
 > Interested in knowing how WAFFLE goes.

Working well so far.  I have it setup to only toss incoming mail and it works
rather well.  I haven't worked much with gating replies back yet.  I'll work
on that this afternoon or Friday night (I'm a sysop so I have no life ;)

 > Atta boy!

Don't flirt:  I respond! 8-)

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 595
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 11/24/93 11:02p
Subj: Ken                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov2423:02, Ken Kavanagh of 1:153/7070 writes:
 KK> size it moves it to its own temp directory and your packer
 KK> continues on with the next consecutive number/letter. very
 KK> slick and easy to use..it gets installed as a batch file in
 KK> squish's or d'briges routing config.
I thought that Squish took care of most of that already. At least from my
experience you can just about continuously toss - send mail without too much
delay. Of course you need a few modems attatched up to your OS/2 machine to do
it effectively.
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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 596
  To: ALBERT GAYLORD                           Date: 11/24/93 11:16p
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov2423:16, Albert Gaylord of 1:105/40 writes:

 AG> -!- GoldED 2.40+  TeamOS/2 - ssA Satellite Hub
 AG>  ! Origin: ssA Satellite Syndicate Assocs SHub 1-503 297-1112
I see that you are running OS/2. We are setting up now to feed the mail into an
OS/2 system for distribution. I have some ideas on how this should be done.
Maybe I will start documenting what I am doing so that we can work out the most
effective method of distribution and feedback to the PC system. Any ideas then
let me know. I will document what I have done up to now tommorrow so that we
can get our 'heads together' so to speak.
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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 597
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 11/24/93 11:20p
Subj: SUGGESTION...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov2423:20, Dave Osborne of 1:123/301.2 writes:

 DO> In a msg on <Nov 18 18:34>, Tracy Mickley writes:

 TM>Whenever I turn the monitor on, the current file always get's
 TM>one T block and of couse gets trashed.

 DO> Possibly the monitor is sitting close to the CPU and the EMP is
 DO> zapping the serial port or something.  Or the monitor is plugged
 DO> into the same outlet as the CPU or into the CPU itself and a line
 DO> spike is flipping a bit in the link. Doubtful video code is
 DO> involved.

 DO> Curiosity being what it is, when you figure it out, let us know.
 DO> :-)
I noticed a lot of static sparking when the wind was blowing. Ended up
grounding the sheild a whole lot better after blowing a parralel port.
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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 598
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 11/25/93  7:09p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jacobo!


JO> I am interested in what files/programs I would need to handle the
JO> PCUSENET files on our system here. Can you supply any information on
JO> this.

JO> TTYL

JO> Jacob Oduber
JO> sysop H.O.T. Beach BBS Aruba 1:18/21
Well I do not know how to answere you not knowing what type
system, BBS software, etc.. However I will supply wgat I have

I am going to run WCUUCP, from Mustang Software to handle my end.
I also understand FredGate, FrontDoor, FredMail, Waffle, and
GoMail work well together using Wildcat 3.9 BBS software.

Also WildUUCP from OCR is suppost to be a great program to handle
Internet mail.  I am sure there are others already running these
programs can offer a better answere than I can seing I am not yet
setup in that area because my software has not arived yet.  Seems
like I always order something too close to hollidays and it gets
delayed.

Someone of you other users jump in here and fill us all in on
what we need.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Profanity, the language computerists know.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 599
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93  8:27p
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

In a message to All <11/24/93> Boyd Goodin wrote:

BG>
BG>   See how not too many p-c receivng systems read the PCSITES echo I guess
BG> can post it in here. Maybe it will catch someone's attention.
BG>
BG>    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BG>
BG>    Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages from echos that
BG> not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is not in the FIDONET.
BG> file I DONT WANT IT!
BG>
BG> ....Boyd

Nor do I want it ether.  Thanks for speaking out on it.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Sometimes you just have to say 'What the heck'

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 600
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93  3:21p
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->   See how not too many p-c receivng systems read the PCSITES echo I g
-> can post it in here. Maybe it will catch someone's attention.
->
->    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
->
->    Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages from echos t
-> not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is not in the FIDO
-> file I DONT WANT IT!

You might want to ammend that to include the FIDONET.NO file as well, as
you send echos in that file as well.  The FIDONET.NO file is for those
echos that are not in the ELIST and were in FIDONET.NA.  Currently there
are about 70 some in that file all of which you send over satellite.

--Martin--

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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 601
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/26/93  1:17a
Subj: Ken                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Foxy,

* In a message originally to Ken Kavanagh, Foxy Ferguson said:
 > KK>I have a utility called Sizemail that you set the max bundle size in
 > KK>..once your mail packer reaches that size it moves it to its own temp
 > KK>directory and your packer continues on with the next consecutive
 > KK>number/letter. very slick and easy to use..it gets installed as a
 > KK>batch file in squish's or d'briges routing config.

 > but I don't use squish or d'bridge.....does your utility work
 > with FroDo
 > and Gecho ??

It's already built into GEcho...  Just go into Gsetup and set MAX .pkt size and
MAX archive size...

John

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 602
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93  7:38p
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >    Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys tossing
 > your mail?

I guess right after they stopped coming. Thanks Boyd. It's appreciated.

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 603
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/25/93  8:17p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I must have missed something. I stumbled onto the files PCUSENET.* in my
NEWSGRP directory. I'm guessing this is the startup of the Usenet newsgroup
feeds -- or at least an open test of sorts. These files unzip to NEWS000?.BAG
files and appear to be a singular file containing the combined *.X and *.D
files.

 Question #1: Is this the start up or a test?

 #2: Hownhell do I process these *.BAG files?

 #3: I'm currently linked to Holonet for internet newsgroups/email bbs feed
using UUCP-g (via PIMP for TBBS). Has anyone asked these guys if they can
provide a 'oneway' link for newsgroups? ie, getting the downlink off the bird
and sending replies through Holonet.

 #4: What newsgroups will be coming?

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 604
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 11/25/93  9:19p
Subj: .Tic for Nodediff                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  JW> Just wanted to check. Was I the only one who didn't get a Tic file
 >  JW> for the NodeDiff on Saturday. Thanks!

 > I did not get on over here either.
 > TTYL
 > Jacob

 Thanks for letting me know. I haven't found out why it happened yet. I hope
it's not a recurring thing. Guess we'll find out in a day or so!
Later!

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 605
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 11/25/93  2:02p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jacobo Oduber wrote in a message to JOE LYDA:

JO> I am interested in what files/programs I would need to
JO> handle the PCUSENET files on our system here. Can you supply
JO> any information on this.

You should probably use FRED19Q.ARJ as the simplest (most robust)
implementation of a gateway that I've seen. Waffle is great if you want full
Newsgroup format (unnecessary to me except for cancels and crossposts). The
setup is quick and simple for fred as you need only a few exec and config files
to have everything up and tossing with your current FTN compatible
mailer/tosser setup. If you have problems I and others may be able to pull you
over the rough spots you run across.

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: MARK STENNETT                          Number: 606
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93  9:41a
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>    Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages
BG> from echos that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of
BG> thumb. If it is not in the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT!

What about FIDONET.NO?





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From: JOE MEADORS                            Number: 607
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/25/93 10:01p
Subj: Planet Connect Info.                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote to Joe Meadors:

 >> About three weeks ago I netmailed you a request for info on Planet
 >> Connect in response to your advertisement in BBS Callers Digest.

 BG>   Well Joe we have been behind in getting those vidoe tapes made and
 BG> shipped. I will check and let you know if yours has been processed.

Thanks.

If for whatever reason my netmail failed to arrive I'll be more than happy to
send it again.

Warmest Regards,

Joe

FidoNet: 1:160/230
BizyNet: 70:1/80
Internet: [e-mail]

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From: BART SIMPSON                           Number: 608
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 11/26/93  5:00a
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is annoying to
> have to wade through these every day now.
Boyd our Hub used to pack them up in a file and if we wanted to look at them
then we had the pleaser of unziping the file.  Just a suggestion..
Bart Simpson..

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From: RUDY HEHN                              Number: 609
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 11/25/93  9:28p
Subj: Netmail _to_ 3615/51                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I have been receiving the following netmail on my system, please note
-> that every on conected to the Bird is 3615/51, so this msg goes to
-> everyone.

I've been getting the same thing, endlessly <g>.
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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 610
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93  1:24p
Subj: Weather Maps                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

What is the scoop on the weather maps?  I need to start allowing my users
access to them.

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 611
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93 10:33p
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd--

 >> Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

 >> TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is
 >> TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now.

 >> Amen......

 BG>    Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys tossing your
 BG> mail?


As of today, I'm STILL GETTING THEM, as well as a LOT of scrambled messages. To
the tune of about 60 today!!! What is going on???

Ken

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 612
  To: SYSOP                                    Date: 11/26/93  6:46p
Subj: Desqview                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Whoa!!!  Must use?  I loaded PTC1123.ZIP on my system
 > immediately after receiving it.  For the first time in 45 days since
 > installing my PC system it crashed during the first night knocking the
 > workstation off of my network!  The screen was blank with a blinking
 > cursor.  I am now running v1009 dependably again.

 > Are you telling me that I am going to HAVE to move to
 > my office to babysit PC?  Guess again!

 > -Tim

Mine does that too _IF_ I have the automatic status enabled in the .INI file.
Since I took that out, it quit hanging.

Mickey

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 613
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/26/93  9:14p
Subj: Hidden Seen-Bys                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Well I have to gather that PCSITES -never- -ever- gets any posts.....cuz
 > there has never been a message in it here.....

I post there a good bit.  Must be a screwup somewhere.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 614
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 11/26/93  9:20p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I must have missed something. I stumbled onto the files PCUSENET.* in my
 > NEWSGRP directory. I'm guessing this is the startup of the Usenet
 > newsgroup feeds -- or at least an open test of sorts. These files unzip
 > to NEWS000?.BAG files and appear to be a singular file containing the
 > combined *.X and *.D files.

They are newsgroup feeds.

 >  Question #1: Is this the start up or a test?

Test.

 >  #2: Hownhell do I process these *.BAG files?

If you wish, you can freq me for waf*.* or WAFFLE (magic name) and get these
two files:

WAF165   ARJ    507098 04-01-93   6:02a
WAFINFO  ZIP      2827 11-25-93  11:51a
        2 file(s)     509925 bytes

The first is WAFFLE, a combination news tosser, bbs door (or bbs :), and
outbound batcher.  The second is a small info file that I threw together
detailing how I have it setup (so far) on my system.

 >  #4: What newsgroups will be coming?

When they're finished, all of them.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 615
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93 11:24a
Subj: gmd netmail                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd,

As of the last few weeks, every nite we receive GMD Netmail and it looks
like the same messages too. If you have a moment, can you check into
this ?

Best Regards,
Hans
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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 616
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 11/26/93  8:21p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to All:

TM>  Question #1: Is this the start up or a test?

I believe testing is in progress still as there has been no announcement.

TM>  #2: Hownhell do I process these *.BAG files?

You can use a DOS gating program or the Waffle BBS system. I use a FRED gateway
for email and newsgroups and the test files were easily decoded into
*.PKT format for my regular tosser/mailer to take care of them.

TM>  #3: I'm currently linked to Holonet for internet
TM> link for newsgroups? ie, getting the downlink off the bird
TM> and sending replies through Holonet.

Any usenet feed site (or UUCP site) can work a one-way feed if they're willing
to do it. It is a simple manipulation of the SYS file. I would do it here
except that I get the comp.* and alt.* hierarchies under test so deal with
usenet both ways from my regular site. As soon as we get a full feed from the
bird I can reestablish my feed as send-only where applicable (eg - the vmsnet
and biz hierarchies may not come from Boyd's end perhaps).

TM>  #4: What newsgroups will be coming?

I hope we get a full feed ....... Boyd?

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.


P.S. - Fred will allow you full gating of news and email (except for 'control'
functions including cancellations). Since all it does is convert the *.X & *.D
files into Fidonet *.pkt files (like the ones you toss everyday <grin>) it is
very fast and economical of drive space.

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 617
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93  8:31p
Subj: Couple of things                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd,

        Missed 0000FFFF.FR1 and 0000FFFF.FR2 yesterday. If you don't need
        these posts to let you know something is amiss just let us know in
        this echo and I'll stop mentioning it.

        I received 50+ repeated messages of your GMD and "errors due to
        failed attempts to areafix" that were broadcast over the satellite.
        Perhaps this was due to an attempt to clear things up and cut the flow
        of these gems? <grin>

        Thanks for sending out the WE7 and WE8 files, Boyd.

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 618
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/26/93 10:44p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

In a message to Joe Lyda <11/25/93> Todd Lyons wrote:

TL> No, but I'm working on being able to provide a gateway back to anybody wh
TL> wants it, either directly or indirectly (through me or direct to the
TL> gateway).  Don't hold me to it, but I'm working on it.

Well Todd, I am in Tullahoma  TN and am looking to get a connect
to someone in Tennessee to gate through.

Joe

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 619
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 11/26/93  7:08p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECHO              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Could you 'splain your TICK processing secrets??  I'm running the
 > same basic system as you, but have run into many file collisions
 > across the LAN with TICK trying to add to an open .?LO file.

The only thing I do is run TICK once every 4 hours. That's when SLEEP runs my
mail process. Dunno how many downlinks you're hubbing for vs. me, but maybe I
just have a lighter load and haven't yet see the problem. Or, maybe I have the
problem and haven't noticed it. (that wouldn't be surprising)

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 620
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/25/93 10:12p
Subj: Squish Mail Tosser                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Jason Fesler:
~~

GS> Your experiance is lacking then.....Squish handles those
GS> extensions just fine....

I must be using a different squish than everyone else.  Any .MOZ files (as
example) don't get touched; they are left alone in my inbound.  I had to modify
the batch files to rename them whenever it found them.   Of course.. your
mileage may vary.




Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: JOHN BIERRIE                           Number: 621
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 11/26/93  6:57a
Subj: Things...                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jacob Oduber, in a message to John Bierrie, you wrote:

 JB> We do it here with no problems that I know of on a 486 SX 33mhz.
 JB> This may sound funny (in a way), but we found that by using a fossil
 JB> on COM2 (where PC is connected) and turning on the FIFO's helped a
 JB> great deal in eliminating much of the "touchyness".  BTW... we
 JB> generally have 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2 line board, "PC" and
 JB> whatever I'm doing) and the system really does seem to run ok...
 JB> John

JO> Same here, with about the same setup running under desqview.
JO> I enable  the uart with the 16550 utility which locks the
JO> uart buffer.

JO> Even been running hyperdisk on the system to improve the
JO> tossing  performance without any major problems under
JO> desqview.

Jacob,
     I just saw that a new version of the PC program has come through with the
ability to activate the 16550 without the need for the fossil...  I haven't
installed it yet, hate that "can't go back", statement should things not work
as well.  Probably do it this weekend anyway and hope for the best.

     I had a "funny" conversation with someone just the other day about all
this.  I was "told" I "HAD" to have another 386 machine networked, etc. or
Planet Connect just wouldn't work and it wasn't worth the money for the other
machine, network cards, etc.  Luckilly I was in the other room at the time or
my computer might have heard them saying that and stoped working. :-)

ooops.. just saw a message from Boyd..  the new version is a "must", so
definetly this evening or Saturday. :-)

John

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From: JOHN BIERRIE                           Number: 622
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93  7:05a
Subj: Desqview                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin, in a message to Craig Gagner, you wrote:

BG>    It is being sent over the sat as PTC1123.ZIP. This is a
BG> MUST use version. Meaning the 1009 version will be obsolete
BG> after the 29th of this month.

Boyd,
    A couple of things on this...  One, how long has PTC1123.ZIP been coming
in??  I just noticed it the other day and if I hadn't seen your message above,
I might very well have taken my time before replacing the older version...  How
about "NetMail" when something as critical as this is coming through?
Related...  If it's only been a week or two, could you think about extending
that "obsolete" portion in the future?  I know there are a number of people out
here, with or without PC who don't necessarilly keep such a close track on
things.  Plus, I have been known to be out of town for that long easilly and if
the system would crash because of outdated software which needed to be
installed within a week or so, there'd be little I (or possibly others) could
do.

Just a thought(s)...

John

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 623
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/26/93 10:53a
Subj: Planet Connect Echo                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Ken Jackson:

JF> Ken Jackson wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

KJ> IS it going to be allowed on the backbone?
KJ> WHEN is it going to be allowed on the backbone?
KJ> WHY can't/won't you or Tim reply about this?

JF> Just a note for ya - since this is considered commercial,
JF> Backbone won't  carry it.  They  _could_ limit it to
JF> strictly support/etc, and refuse to  answer any and all
JF> questions re: price.  This is how the FDECHO is structured
JF> today.  However, once _business_ starts going across the
JF> wire, backbone will  drop it, as they don't wish to pay for
JF> other people's business.

Nope......the process is in the works.......As for it not being
allowed.....THere are several echos on the backbone that fit the qualifications
you mention above.....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 624
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93  7:26p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

following up a message from Greg Shaffer to Boyd Goodin:

GS> Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

> Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:
BG>
> TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is
> TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now.
BG>
> Amen......
BG>
BG>    Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys
BG> tossing your mail?

GS> THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail......

And again today......

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 625
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 11/26/93  7:28p
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jim Watson wrote in a message to Tracy Mickley:

 TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It
 TM> is annoying to have to wade through these every day
 TM> now.

JW> Depending on the messages are based on, might it not be
JW> better to correct to the software on your end that is
JW> causing those messages to be generated?  At PC's level,
JW> considering the implications if a problem does occur, they
JW> pretty well have to run _something_ to keep an eye on the
JW> inbound...

No......they are being sent to 3615/51 which is -every-
downlink.....They should be put on hold for the offending downlink to pickup
when they send their inbound mail.

[e-mail]

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 626
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 11/26/93 11:55p
Subj: Tick Processing Secrets                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

24 Nov 93, john burton writes to Jim Dunmyer:

 jb> Could you 'splain your TICK processing secrets??  I'm running the same
 jb> basic system as you, but have run into many file collisions across the LAN
 jb> with TICK trying to add to an open .?LO file.

 jb> I've just ended up letting TICK run only with the BBS is down, so TICK and
 jb> TIMS won't fight over .?LO files....  (as well as .PT files..)


I do all my mail processing (Echo and File) to a holding directory then run a
program called CopyMail, Which moves it to the real outbound directory.
Copymail honors the Binkley Busy flags (not sure if TIMS uses the same).  It
will then append new mail to existing and even size arc-mail bundles.  When a
node is busy sending mail it copymail can be configured to either wait for a
period of time or skip that address's mail and leave it in the hol directory.
It has been working flawlessly here for quite some time.

-><-Dennis

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 627
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 11/26/93  5:18p
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Depending on the messages are based on, might it not be better to
 > correct to the software on your end that is causing those messages
 > to be generated?  At PC's level, considering the implications if a
 > problem does occur, they pretty well have to run _something_ to keep
 > an eye on the inbound...

If I was generating the offending messages I sure wouldn't be complaining about
receiving the resulting GMD error messages. In fact, I'd want to be notified,
but I wasn't generating the problems and all I saw was a growing number of the
GMD messages coming in addressed to SYSOP -- something I've grown admittedly
too think skinned about. Akin to nails on a chalk board I guess. It's all for
naught anyway since Boyd is now addressing them using SYSOP names and is
sending them netmail which is much appreciated.

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 628
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93 10:30p
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,
    I for one am very happy with your attempts to get the NETMAIL routed thru
your system. It will be great to beable to have an almost instant NETMAIL to
the backbone service setup.  I can handle the messups and really don't care
becauseI know that when it is working it will save me ANOTHER call long
distance to deliver my outgoing mail.  And it REALLY speeds up the netmail
process.

    Thank you for the attempts and please take your time.  Looking forward to
yet another EXCELLENT service from your company!  Netmail is a BIG plus!

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM DOWELL                             Number: 629
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/27/93  6:59a
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to All, Boyd Goodin said:

BG>
BG>   See how not too many p-c receivng systems read the PCSITES
BG> echo I guess I can post it in here. Maybe it will catch
BG> someone's attention.
BG>
BG>    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BG>
BG>    Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages
BG> from echos that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of
BG> thumb. If it is not in the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT!
BG>
BG> ....Boyd

Well this guy is reading both <GRIN>!  I wondered about those messages. Thought
they'd just missed them in FIDONET.NA!  Keep up the GREAT work!

                                    Tim

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From: TIM DOWELL                             Number: 630
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 11/27/93  7:08a
Subj: Things...                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


JO> JB> We do it here with no problems that I know of on a 486 SX 33mhz.
JO> JB> This may sound funny (in a way), but we found that by using a fossil
JO> JB> on COM2 (where PC is connected) and turning on the FIFO's helped a
JO> JB> great deal in eliminating much of the "touchyness".  BTW... we
JO> JB> generally have 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2 line board, "PC" and
JO> JB> whatever I'm doing) and the system really does seem to run ok...

JO> Same here, with about the same setup running under desqview.
JO> I enable
JO> the uart with the 16550 utility which locks the uart buffer.

Same here.  Works well and the beta version of the new PC software
worked fine without the fossil under DV.  I've not tried the public release but
it should do just as well or better than the beta.

JO> Even been running hyperdisk on the system to improve the
JO> tossing
JO> performance without any major problems under desqview.

I've just installed that also and the caching really improves the tossing
speed.  I'm also using Hyperdisk with staged writes to keep PC from killing the
hard drive <G>!

                                        Tim

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 631
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 11/27/93  3:25p
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> What is the scoop on the weather maps?  I need to start allowing my users
> access to them.

  Still waiting for the cpompany that supplies us with it to set thier rate. As
soon as this is done I will let you know.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 632
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/27/93  3:25p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> As of today, I'm STILL GETTING THEM, as well as a LOT of scrambled
> messages. To
> the tune of about 60 today!!! What is going on???


   We have found the problem and it is being looked into.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 633
  To: JOHN BIERRIE                             Date: 11/27/93  3:30p
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd,
> A couple of things on this...  One, how long has PTC1123.ZIP been
> coming in??  I just noticed it the other day and if I hadn't seen your
> message above, I might very well have taken my time before replacing the

   Thats why you should check the PCINFO.TXT or the README.NOW files that go
over the sat ever now and again. A new version is going over now. PTC1126.ZIP

> older version...  How about "NetMail" when something as critical as this
> is coming through?   Related...  If it's only been a week or two, could
> you think about extending that "obsolete" portion in the future?  I know
> there are a number of people out here, with or without PC who don't
> necessarilly keep such a close track on things.  Plus, I have been known
> to be out of town for that long easilly and if the system would crash
> because of outdated software which needed to be installed within a week
> or so, there'd be little I (or possibly others) could do.

   Your system wont crash. The data stream is changing again and you would just
get errors.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 634
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/27/93  3:31p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> GS> THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail......

> And again today......

   I know Greg. We have found the problem and the systems is working on it.

P.S. Get your receiver??

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 635
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 11/27/93  3:33p
Subj: Re: gmd netmail                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> As of the last few weeks, every nite we receive GMD Netmail and it looks
> like the same messages too. If you have a moment, can you check into
> this ?

   Problem has been found and is being taken care off.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 636
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/27/93  3:35p
Subj: Re: Couple of things                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Missed 0000FFFF.FR1 and 0000FFFF.FR2 yesterday. If you don't need
> these posts to let you know something is amiss just let us know
> in
> this echo and I'll stop mentioning it.

   Did you get errors opn them or they never went over the sat?

> I received 50+ repeated messages of your GMD and "errors due to
> failed attempts to areafix" that were broadcast over the
> satellite.
> Perhaps this was due to an attempt to clear things up and cut the
> flow
> of these gems? <grin>

   We have found the problem and it is being fixed.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 637
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 11/27/93  3:39p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I for one am very happy with your attempts to get the NETMAIL routed
> thru your system. It will be great to beable to have an almost instant

   Don't talk to fast! ;-)

> NETMAIL to the backbone service setup.  I can handle the messups and
> really don't care becauseI know that when it is working it will save me
> ANOTHER call long distance to deliver my outgoing mail.  And it REALLY
> speeds up the netmail process.

   We do not route netmail. What is the sense of us routing netmail when yopu
would still have to call your regular place to pick up any returns. Still a LD
call no matter what.

> Thank you for the attempts and please take your time.  Looking
> forward to yet another EXCELLENT service from your company!  Netmail is a
> BIG plus!

  Not any more! Too many problems with it.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 638
  To: TIM DOWELL                               Date: 11/27/93  3:41p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Well this guy is reading both <GRIN>!  I wondered about those messages.
> Thought they'd just missed them in FIDONET.NA!  Keep up the GREAT work!

   Thanks. I know that not all areas in the .NO file are carried by the star
system I call.

....Boyd

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 639
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93  7:39p
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 24 23:46>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 BG>
 BG>   Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages from
 BG>echos that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it
 BG>is not in the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT!

You also want what's in the FIDONET.NO.  If not, we have a serious problem.

D.

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From: DAN DIMICK                             Number: 640
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93 12:31a
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BG>
 BG>   See how not too many p-c receivng systems read the PCSITES echo I
 BG> guess I can post it in here. Maybe it will catch someone's attention.
 BG>
 BG>    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 BG>
 BG>    Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages from echos
 BG> that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is not in
 BG> the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT!
 BG>

      What about fidonet.no?

  DanD

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 641
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/26/93  2:21p
Subj: PLANET CONNECT ECHO                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >Just a note for ya - since this is considered commercial, Backbone won't
 >carry it.  They  _could_ limit it to strictly support/etc, and refuse to
 >answer any and all questions re: price.  This is how the FDECHO is
 >structured
 >today.  However, once _business_ starts going across the wire, backbone
 >will drop it, as they don't wish to pay for other people's business.

Where did this information come from? I've been involved with the
backbone a little for a few years. I hear this story occasionally
but I still don't understand it.

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 642
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 11/26/93  2:24p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >basic system as you, but have run into many file collisions across the LAN
 >with TICK trying to add to an open .?LO file.

The secret weapon is copymail. CPML-122.ZIP.  We point tick at an
offline outbound area, toss files, and then turn copymail loose on it to
merge the offline stuff into the live online area.

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From: LISA GRONKE                            Number: 643
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93  7:44a
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Are you carrying the echos in fidonet.no (the quasi or temporary backbone
list)?

Many of us treat those echos the same as the ones in fidonet.na.

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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 644
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/26/93  5:17p
Subj: Planet Connect Echo                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Jason,

24 Nov 93, 09:11, Jason Fesler wrote to Ken Jackson:

 JF> Just a note for ya - since this is considered commercial, Backbone
 JF> won't carry it.  They  _could_ limit it to strictly support/etc, and

Not completely true.  The ZEC just informed the moderator a few days ago it
would be placed on the backbone if he followed the announced procedures.


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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 645
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/26/93  5:20p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Terry,

25 Nov 93, 10:44, Terry Blount wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 TB>  there for over a month.  Needless to say that I lost  some  sales
 TB>  that could have helped me pay my Planet Connect subscription  fee
 TB>  <grin>. It is really difficult to  try  to  teach  everyone  that

Surely you're not saying you're using routed netmail for commercial gain?
8-)


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 646
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/27/93  6:35p
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Tracy Mickley:

BG>  Yep. Just like the routed netmail. It just causes problems.
BG> When something causes a problem I stop it.  Remember again
BG> folks. NO ROUTED NETMAIL goes to us. It goes to the
BG> bit-bucket.

That isn't a big problem... the problem is when routed netmail is sent to us
and does not arrive and we miss the chance to sell something to pay our
subscription fee for PC. :)

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 647
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/27/93  6:40p
Subj: Squish Mail Tosser                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Jason   Fesler   wrote   in  a   message   to    Greg    Shaffer:

JF> I must be using a different squish  than  everyone  else.    Any
JF> .MOZ files  (as  example)  don't  get  touched;  they  are  left
JF> alone in my inbound.   I  had  to  modify  the  batch  files  to
JF> rename  them  whenever  it  found  them.      Of  course..  your
JF> mileage may vary.

 I found several problems that were causing a loss of mail  when I
 allowed Squish to access the bundles....   now I  uncompress  all
 the bundles and point  Squish  to  the  directory  that  has  the
 uncompressed *.pkt 's   and it seems to  be  working  great  now.

 At  the   end   of  a   session   you   simply   need  2   lines:

 Pkunzip 00*.* \inbound -o
 del 00*.*


 I found that if I didn't use -o to  overwrite  packets  with  the
 same name the batch file would not always run unattended  because
 pkzip would find duplicate packets inside different  bundles  and
 pause with the question about overwriting....  -o  causes  it  to
 automatically overwrite and keep going.

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 648
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 11/27/93  4:33p
Subj: Squish Mail Tosser                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

JF> Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Jason Fesler:
JF> ~

GS> Your experiance is lacking then.....Squish handles those
GS> extensions just fine....

JF> I must be using a different squish than everyone else.  Any
JF> .MOZ files (as example) don't get touched; they are left
JF> alone in my inbound.  I had to modify the batch files to
JF> rename them whenever it found them.   Of course.. your
JF> mileage may vary.

Never seen an .MOZ but I know for a fact it works with extensions from
.MOA to .MOH

[e-mail]

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 649
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/27/93 10:45p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Jacobo Oduber:

TL> Freq's welcome 24 hours/day, 1:3807/401 (Hayes) or
TL> 1:3807/402 (USR Sportster) both at 14.4 V.32bis.  Unlisted
TL> freq's welcome.

TL> See ya
TL> Todd

TL> --- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM
TL>  * Origin: Lyons' Den BBS  Downlinking Fidonet-Satellite
TL> Style! (1:3807/400)

in today's nodelist, there does not exist a 1:3807/400, I tried at your listing
at 100, but had no luck.  if you have internet can you send me the text in the
setup stuff to
[e-mail]


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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 650
  To: JOHN JOHNSON                             Date: 11/27/93  3:30a
Subj: Ken                                     Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

JJ>Foxy,

JJ> > but I don't use squish or d'bridge.....does your utility work
JJ> > with FroDo
JJ> > and Gecho ??

JJ>It's already built into GEcho...  Just go into Gsetup and set MAX .pkt size
JJ>and MAX archive size...

Ha! Guess I didn't read the docs nearly as thoroughly as I thought I
had. :-(

Thanks, John.

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 651
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/27/93  3:31a
Subj: Things...                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TL> > Interested in knowing how WAFFLE goes.

TL>Working well so far.  I have it setup to only toss incoming mail and
TL>it works rather well.  I haven't worked much with gating replies back
TL>yet.

Ah, that's good. We're not planning on putting it on our system,
although I think t'other PC site in our net is considering it.

TL>I'll work on that this afternoon or Friday night (I'm a sysop
TL>so I have no life ;)

<grin> Naw, sysoping _is_ your life. Ain't it?

TL> > Atta boy!

TL>Don't flirt:  I respond! 8-)

Well, shucks. Gal's gotta flirt with somebody ONCE in a while, ya know?
Wouldn't do to forget how to. ;-)

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 652
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 11/27/93 10:05p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JL>Well Todd, I am in Tullahoma  TN and am looking to get a
JL>connect
JL>to someone in Tennessee to gate through.



Joe, you can probably gate thru us when we get it all up and going.

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 653
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/27/93  7:09p
Subj: Planet Connect Echo                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Jason Fesler:

GS> Nope......the process is in the works.......As for it not
GS> being allowed.....THere are several echos on the backbone
GS> that fit the qualifications you mention above.....


like Cforsale?

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From: JACK WINSLADE                          Number: 654
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/27/93  8:17p
Subj: SUGGESTION...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <23 Nov 93 15:46:22>, Dan Williamson (1:3410/0) writes:

 >Sort of like the invention of the flush toilet by Thomas Crapper.

Not to turn this into alt.folklore.urban, but I can provide some documented
references to Sir Thomas Crapper.  He did exist, but his legend has been
quite embellished.

Good day        JSW


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From: JACK WINSLADE                          Number: 655
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/27/93  8:06p
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <25 Nov 93 04:45:11>, Todd Lyons (1:3807/400) writes:

 >The plans are the whole thing.
 >
 >> handle it tomorrow and see what is there.  Also will you be
 >> providing the gateway into Internet?
 >
 >No, but I'm working on being able to provide a gateway back to anybody
 >who wants it, either directly or indirectly (through me or direct to the
 >gateway).  Don't hold me to it, but I'm working on it.

What I would like to see is the outbound distribution through the PC system.
We have a number of ways of getting our outbound back into Usenet, but the
phone bills for our inbound load to Omaha (out in the toolies of cyberspace)
run a couple hundred per month.  What I've seen come in should plug right
in, but I would hate to cut some of the groups over until I know the service
will continue.

Good day       JSW


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From: JACK WINSLADE                          Number: 656
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 11/27/93  8:11p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <25 Nov 93 19:09:41>, JOE LYDA (1:3622/1000) writes:

 >Someone of you other users jump in here and fill us all in on
 >what we need.

We currently have three sysops in the pulling hair with various almost-
working news processors.  Two of these run Wildcat and the other runs MBBS.

We distribute Usenet in both UUCP and Fidonet format.  The one guy who is
struggling with MBBS had 20,000 (no kidding) garbage messages in oma.general
due to a bug in the MBBS outbound news processor.  The one Wildcat system
seems to be working more or less, but he was having major problems last week
until they shipped him yet another almost-daily update.

We feed one guy who has been running Waffle for some time now with no major
problems.  Of course now he is trying some others as well.

Good day       JSW


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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 657
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/27/93  7:49a
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > The setup is quick and simple for fred as you
 > need only a few exec and config files to have everything up and
 > tossing with your current FTN compatible mailer/tosser setup. If
 > you have problems I and others may be able to pull you over the
 > rough spots you run across.

Have you tried using Fred on the Usenet files from the bird?  My setup
doesn't seem to recognize the format but then again I'm a real amateur
at FRED and Usenet.  I sure would like to take a look at your setup.

:-)

Ed

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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 658
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/27/93  9:15a
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Boyd--

 >>> Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

 >>> TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is
 >>> TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now.

 >>> Amen......

 >  BG>    Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys tossing your
 >  BG> mail?


 > As of today, I'm STILL GETTING THEM, as well as a LOT of scrambled
 > messages. To
 > the tune of about 60 today!!! What is going on???

 > Ken

Me too just got a real wack of them in this package...

TTYL
      Laz

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 659
  To: MIKE LABB                                Date: 11/26/93  7:38p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Mike,
  Hope you have a great Thanksgiving. Hang onto your hat, not only am I sending
this message to you but some NICE cold weather!

Let me know how this comes out.

Mark 433

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 660
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/26/93  6:49p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Wednesday November 24 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Terry Blount:

 >> We all seem to be getting a flood of netmail addressed  to  other
 >> folks who are having problems.  Would it  be  too  difficult  for

 BG>   Working on it. Seems to have stopped ever since I stopped alowing routed
 BG> netmail through our system.

Not quite, it is being rerouted back into the system, see my msg in PCSITES.

Cheers, Ervin

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 661
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 11/26/93  6:50p
Subj: Ken                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave!

Wednesday November 24 1993, Dave Sloan writes to Ken Kavanagh:

 KK>> size it moves it to its own temp directory and your packer
 KK>> continues on with the next consecutive number/letter. very
 KK>> slick and easy to use..it gets installed as a batch file in
 KK>> squish's or d'briges routing config.

 DS> I thought that Squish took care of most of that already. At least from my
 DS> experience you can just about continuously toss - send mail without too

Squish will limit the size of the individual PKTs inside each arcmail bundle,
but will not limit the size of the bundles themselves.

For that you need to run SizeMail from inside your Squish ROUTE.CFG using a
DOS sizemail -cD:\Bink\sizemail.cfg
Line.

It realli does make a big difference for those with large feed downlinks.

Cheers, Ervin

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 662
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 11/26/93  6:55p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECHO              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello john!

Wednesday November 24 1993, john burton writes to Jim Dunmyer:

 jb> Could you 'splain your TICK processing secrets??  I'm running the same
 jb> basic system as you, but have run into many file collisions across the LAN
 jb> with TICK trying to add to an open .?LO file.

Yep, this is one  I have been unable to solve either....
Here it simply skips sending the file(s) to that node, not nice.... :(

Here is how I have solved it using a batch as follows.........

if exist E:\Bink\Outbound\Out\*.BSY goto No_Tick
  Tick
:No_Tick

 jb> I've just ended up letting TICK run only with the BBS is down, so TICK and
 jb> TIMS won't fight over .?LO files....  (as well as .PT files..)

Yes, seems that Tick wants to check "ALL" flo files to see if the Passthru file
is still on hold for someone before it will delete it.  When it hits an flo
file that is open (being sent) it freq's out  :((((

The above solves that, sorta, as well....

Be interested in seeing an other way this problem might be solved.

Cheers, Ervin

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 663
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 11/27/93  4:58p
Subj: squish                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Wednesday November 24 1993, Dave Sloan writes to Ken Kavanagh:

Hello Dave!

 DS> In a msg on <Nov2423:02, Ken Kavanagh of 1:153/7070 writes:

 KK>> size it moves it to its own temp directory and your packer
 KK>> continues on with the next consecutive number/letter. very
 KK>> slick and easy to use..it gets installed as a batch file in
 KK>> squish's or d'briges routing config.

 DS> I thought that Squish took care of most of that already. At least from my
 DS> experience you can just about continuously toss - send mail without too
 DS> much delay. Of course you need a few modems attatched up to your OS/2
 DS> machine to do it effectively.

No, squish will limit the size of the PACKETS it will build..but not the
bundles..for that you need a secondary utility like sizemail.
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Saturday November 27 1993

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 664
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 11/27/93  5:17p
Subj: sizemail                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Wednesday November 24 1993, Foxy Ferguson writes to Ken Kavanagh:

Hello Foxy!

 KK>> I have a utility called Sizemail that you set the max bundle size in
 KK>> ..once your mail packer reaches that size it moves it to its own temp
 KK>> directory and your packer continues on with the next consecutive
 KK>> number/letter. very slick and easy to use..it gets installed as a
 KK>> batch file in squish's or d'briges routing config.

 FF> but I don't use squish or d'bridge.....does your utility work with FroDo
 FF> and Gecho ??

i dont use frodo or gecho..so i dont really know <grin> we're sitting on the
oposite sided of the ol fence :) will my mower cut your lawn? <grin>
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Saturday November 27 1993

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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 665
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 11/27/93 10:33a
Subj: Filebone Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > That is a "REAL" internet address. Gated or not. And alot of people dont
 > realize we can use them so this is a good idea..

Harumph...

Guess I'm spoiled by having a full address here, not relying on FidoNET
gateways (or any other .org for that matter)....

Still waiting on the IP address tho...


[e-mail]

                            --==jb==--

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 666
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/27/93 11:45a
Subj: Internet TimeTable                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> Hey Boyd, I think you are doing prety good with all this stuff.
 >> I just got mine all automated here and have a big question.  Is
 >> the PCUSENET going to blossum into the full UseNet or is it going
 >> to remain slim and trim?  I should get the necessary files to

 > The plans are the whole thing.

 Is there any word as to when a full feed may start? I've been getting the test
packets and all is great. Just awaiting the feed to begin. i didn't know if you
may have heard something from Boyd. Later!

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 667
  To: GARY BERG                                Date: 11/27/93 11:47a
Subj: .Tic for Nodediff                       Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

 >>  Thanks for the reply. I was beginning to wonder there
 >> myself for a minute. Now, if we only knew why we
 >> didn't get it. Oversight? Later!

 >  It'd save some griping this way as well.....

 I'll agree with that. Boyd usually does a good job of letting us know what is
going on. Maybe he wasn't aware of this one. Anyhow, I just got the NodeDiff
off today's feed and everything was OK with the Tic in hand. Guess he got it
fixed. Later!

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 668
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/27/93 11:49a
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >>> TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is
 >>> TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now.

 >  BG>    Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys tossing your
 >  BG> mail?

 > As of today, I'm STILL GETTING THEM, as well as a LOT of
 > scrambled messages. To
 > the tune of about 60 today!!! What is going on???

 You and me both. I just dumped about 60 out of my netmail area that were
tossed today. Maybe we'll hear something soon. Later!

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 669
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/27/93 11:53a
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > P.S. - Fred will allow you full gating of news and email
 > (except for 'control' functions including cancellations). Since
 > all it does is convert the *.X & *.D files into Fidonet *.pkt
 > files (like the ones you toss everyday <grin>) it is very fast
 > and economical of drive space.

 What about the .BAG files, does it hanlde them as well? SOunds like a nifty
little program. Do you have it fro Freq? Later!

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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 670
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 11/27/93  7:03p
Subj: TICK PROCESSING SECRETS                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >jb> I've just ended up letting TICK run only with the BBS is down, so TICK
>jb> and TIMS won't fight over .?LO files....  (as well as .PT files..)
 >
 >
 > I do all my mail processing (Echo and File) to a holding directory
 > then run a program called CopyMail, Which moves it to the real
 > outbound directory. Copymail honors the Binkley Busy flags (not sure
 > if TIMS uses the same).  It will then append new mail to existing
 > and even size arc-mail bundles.  When a node is busy sending mail it
 > copymail can be configured to either wait for a period of time or
 > skip that address's mail and leave it in the hol directory. It has
 > been working flawlessly here for quite some time.

I run a QMail/CopyMail combo here across the LAN, Dennis.  The trouble is, when
TICK tosses his passthru files he also writes a .PT file.  When TICK runs, he
looks at the subdirectory defined in TIC.CFG.  If you use a holding directory
as described above, and then use COPYMAIL to move the .?LO file, you'll see
that TICK will then delete the passthru file, leaving the .TIC only...

This only applies to passthru stuff, the stuff that remains on-line needs to be
identified by a designator common to both machines too....

The answer would be a TIC processor that recognizes a staging area...

                                --==jb==--

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 671
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/27/93  6:42p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >>  #2: Hownhell do I process these *.BAG files?
 >
 > If you wish, you can freq me for waf*.* or WAFFLE (magic name) and
 > get these two files:

Thanks for the offer. I answered my own question on this one shortly after my
post by reading some doc's <cough>. It seems that PIMP, the TBBS internet
option module, handles these *.BAG files with ease.

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 672
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/27/93  6:50p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > TM>  #3: I'm currently linked to Holonet for internet
 > TM> link for newsgroups? ie, getting the downlink off the bird
 > TM> and sending replies through Holonet.
 >
 > Any usenet feed site (or UUCP site) can work a one-way feed if
 > they're willing to do it. It is a simple manipulation of the SYS

A call to Holonet confirms they will accept uplink only newsgroup mail. Their
newsgroup 'mail control area' is only for knowing what to send down stream.

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 673
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/27/93  8:36a
Subj: about 30 to 60 GMD Same N               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Sat 27, 1994

Hello Boyd,

After killing the same bundle(s) of 30-60 GMD NetMailed messages for the
last weeks, this morning they came back in again. Please correct this.
The GMD messages aren't even ment for my system or systems I feed.

Yesterday's GMD summary over part of information received from 3650

* 07:0 :48  Summary:
* 07:06:48      7 Suppressed inform messages
* 07:06:48      7 ORIGIN has characters after final ")"
* 07:06:48      7 ORIGIN line has illegal character
* 07:06:48     11 ORIGIN line has invalid format
* 07:06:48     44 ORIGIN line too long
* 07:06:48      1 Too many ORIGIN lines
* 07:06:48      4 Zone missing on ORIGIN line

Regards,
Hans
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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 674
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/27/93 11:15a
Subj: about 30 to 60 GMD Same N               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Sat 27, 1994

Hello Boyd,

After killing the same bundle(s) of 30-60 GMD NetMailed messages for the
last weeks, this morning they came back in again. Please correct this.
The GMD messages aren't even ment for my system or systems I feed.

Yesterday's GMD summary over part of information received from 3650

* 07:0 :48  Summary:
* 07:06:48      7 Suppressed inform messages
* 07:06:48      7 ORIGIN has characters after final ")"
* 07:06:48      7 ORIGIN line has illegal character
* 07:06:48     11 ORIGIN line has invalid format
* 07:06:48     44 ORIGIN line too long
* 07:06:48      1 Too many ORIGIN lines
* 07:06:48      4 Zone missing on ORIGIN line

After receiving the daily bundles, back they were again, another
60 or so, identical GMD Netmail messages.

Regards,
Hans
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From: JOHN BIERRIE                           Number: 675
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/28/93  6:02a
Subj: Things...                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd Lyons, in a message to John Bierrie, you wrote:

 > deal in eliminating much of the "touchyness".  BTW... we generally have
 > 3 - 4 windows open at a time (2 line board, "PC" and whatever I'm doing)
 > and the system really does seem to run ok...

TL> <green with envy>

Todd,
     Two things... "Ok" is a relative term I use as I am satisfied with the way
things are running, others might not be.  Secondly since I have so much I need
to learn, which you aparently know (Internet/Usegroups, etc.) I'm far more
envious of you! :-)!!

John

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From: JOHN BIERRIE                           Number: 676
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/28/93  6:16a
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd Lyons, in a message to Jacobo Oduber, you wrote:

TL> Freq me for WAFFLE (magic name) or WAF*.* (might get
TL> something else too :) and get these:

TL> WAF165   ARJ    507098 04-01-93   6:02a
TL> WAFINFO  ZIP      2827 11-25-93  11:51a

TL> Freq's welcome 24 hours/day, 1:3807/401 (Hayes) or
TL> 1:3807/402 (USR Sportster) both at 14.4 V.32bis.  Unlisted
TL> freq's welcome.

Todd,
     Know it or not, this week's nodelist does NOT have ANY 1:3807/4## systems
in it at all.  You are listed at 1:3807/100 and /104 though...:-)

John

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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 677
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/26/93  7:59p
Subj: Re: Things...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Terry Blount to Jacobo Oduber <=-

 TB> Jacobo   Oduber   wrote   in  a   message   to   John    Bierrie:

 JO> Even been  running  hyperdisk  on  the  system  to  improve  the
 JO> tossing    performance  without  any  major   problems    under
 JO> desqview.

 TB> I would really like to run the whole show on a  ram  disk. I  don't
 TB> like my _expensive_ hard drive coming  on  and  going  off  every
 TB> second.

You  can say that for sure, that woud definatelly be saving our hard
disks, but I gues you can't win em all.
I was think about setting up up the buffer file !!!st!!!.!!! to my ram
disk, but there is no real setting for doing this to for example drive
J: which could be your RAM disk. Like this we could have ALL the files
come to RAM and when completely received, it just moves it from RAM to
the Harddisk.

One utility I liked a lot on the older dos versions was combi.sys, this
was a combined ramdisk/harddisk cache. It used to work great on dos 3.3
I don't know if they have an update for dos 6.x.

anyways
c'yall later
jacobo oduber - coming to you from sunny Aruba - Dutch Caribbean.




... Mary had a little RAM -- only about a MEG or so.
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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 678
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/26/93  8:03p
Subj: Re: PCUSENET                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Todd Lyons to Jacobo Oduber <=-

 > I am interested in what files/programs I would need to handle the
 > PCUSENET files on our system here. Can you supply any information on
 > this.

 TL> Freq me for WAFFLE (magic name) or WAF*.* (might get something else
 TL> too :) and get these:
 TL> WAF165   ARJ    507098 04-01-93   6:02a
 TL> WAFINFO  ZIP      2827 11-25-93  11:51a
 TL> 2 file(s)     509925 bytes

Will do, thanks a lot i'll be trying them this weekend.

ttyl

Jacobo oduber - Sysop H.O.T. Beach BBS, Aruba


... Line noise provided by SETAR, the Aruban Telephone Company!
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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 679
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 11/26/93  9:51p
Subj: Re: PCUSENET                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting JOE LYDA to JACOBO ODUBER <=-


 JO> Jacob Oduber
 JO> sysop H.O.T. Beach BBS Aruba 1:18/21
 JL> Well I do not know how to answere you not knowing what type
 JL> system, BBS software, etc.. However I will supply wgat I have

We're running RA1.11+ but just got WILDCAT 3.9 and will probably be
switching over to that real soon now. The limitations of the HMB and YAM
don't let us take full advantage of Plannet Connect's feeds.

 JL> I am going to run WCUUCP, from Mustang Software

Will try to get some info on that package.

 JL> Also WildUUCP from OCR is suppost to be a great program to handle
 JL> Internet mail.

 JL> I always order something too close to hollidays and it gets
 JL> delayed.

At least you won't be spending your holidays debugging I guess.


ttyl
Jacobo Oduber - sysop H.O.T. Beach BBS, Aruba -
                Of course we're on the windy side of the Dutch Caribbean
                so grab your windsurf boards it's 80F outside :-)


... Not tonight, dear.  I have a modem.
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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 680
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/26/93  8:19p
Subj: Re: PCUSENET                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Dan Williamson to Jacobo Oduber <=-

 JO> I am interested in what files/programs I would need to
 JO> handle the PCUSENET files on our system here.

 DW> You should probably use FRED19Q.ARJ as the simplest (most robust)
 DW> implementation of a gateway that I've seen. Waffle is great if you
 DW> want full Newsgroup format

 do you now were this file is available?

 DW> If you have problems I and
 DW> others may be able to pull you over the rough spots you run across.

Will let you know, thanks for the help

ttyl
Jacob





... Docs? Why would I want to look at the Docs. Nurses are better :)
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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 681
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/28/93  4:25a
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > BG>    Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys
 > BG> tossing your mail?
 >
 > GS> THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail......
 >
 > And again today......

Read carefully Greg.  Those are Qmail logs, not GMD stats.  QM logs I can
handle.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 682
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 11/28/93 11:12a
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TL> Freq's welcome 24 hours/day, 1:3807/401 (Hayes) or
 > TL> 1:3807/402 (USR Sportster) both at 14.4 V.32bis.  Unlisted
 > TL> freq's welcome.
 >
 > in today's nodelist, there does not exist a 1:3807/400, I tried at your
 > listing at 100, but had no luck.  if you have internet can you send me

I apologize for that.  The timing of this was incredibly poor.  The reason
your freq failed was because I hadn't defined my new AKA yet.  I have it on
hold here for you.

 > the text in the setup stuff to
 > [e-mail]

No, I don't have an internet account.  The local college here has one but
they're having problems.  They're not UNIX, they run VM and the interface they
use is called Music and it's not quite working right:  CLOSE, but not right
yet.  They aren't handing out accounts just yet.  I'm trying though.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 683
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 11/28/93 11:15a
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > JL>Well Todd, I am in Tullahoma  TN and am looking to get a
 > JL>connect
 > JL>to someone in Tennessee to gate through.

 > Joe, you can probably gate thru us when we get it all up and going.

Others too?

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 684
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/28/93 12:46p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

> GS> THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail......
BG>
> And again today......
BG>
BG>    I know Greg. We have found the problem and the systems is
BG> working on it.
BG> P.S. Get your receiver??

Yup.....did you get my netmail? :)

[e-mail]

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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 685
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/28/93 10:19a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG> > What is the scoop on the weather maps?  I need to start allowing my
BG> users
BG> > access to them.
BG>
BG>   Still waiting for the cpompany that supplies us with it to
BG> set thier rate. As soon as this is done I will let you know.

Ok, thanks.  Who exactly creates these maps?  Are they from the National
Weather Service originally?  I hope they decide soon, because it's been quite a
while since they were promised to us.  My users and I are getting a little
edgy.



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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 686
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 11/27/93 10:15p
Subj: PLANET CONNECT ECHO                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

George Peace wrote in a message to Jason Fesler:
~~

GP> Where did this information come from? I've been involved
GP> with the backbone a little for a few years. I hear this
GP> story occasionally but I still don't understand it.

The people in FDECHO.

But I'd be more willing to take your word or Bob's any day.  ;-)

Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: RICHARD BASH                           Number: 687
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/27/93  6:29p
Subj: Status report on the dish               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

                STATUS REPORT ON THE SATELLITE DISH


          For those who did not have the pleasure of
     stopping by Dan Dimick's place today, this will serve
     as a synopsis of what occurred.

          Yesterday (Friday) the frame of the 10 foot
     Paraclipse dish was assembled and the mounting pipe was
     installed on the roof. Today the mesh reflector of the
     dish was installed (using somewhere around 400 clips to
     accomplish the task, hence the slang name for the dish:
     "pile of clips"). Following that, the support arms for
     the feed horn were assembled and attached to the dish.
     Then, finally, the azimuth-elevation mount subassembly
     that connects the vertical pipe on the roof to the dish
     was assembled and attached to the dish.

          The troops in attendance were all gathered and the
     dish was "lofted" onto the roof. About 5 of us jockeyed
     the dish around (with some trepidation on the angled
     roof) and installed the dish onto its pipe support.

          It was then that we realized that no actuator arm
     came with the system. The actuator arm is required to
     adjust the elevation angle of the dish. Dan and I made
     a dash to the hardware store to see if we could jury
     rig something. Alas, it was not possible. Thus, we must
     wait until tomorrow while someone builds up a
     actuator/elevation arm. Following the installation of
     the arm will come the installation of a guy wire system
     to provided additional support in windy conditions.

          Once those two jobs are completed, we can install
     the feed horn onto the dish itself, running the cable
     to the receiver and get locked into the satellite. Then
     data will start coming down from the bird. Tonight Dan
     is going to work on the necessary batch files.

          In summary, the dish is on the roof and a couple
     of hours work remain before we can begin receiving
     data.

          Thanks to all who attended and thanks also to that
     who paid up. If you haven't paid into the system and
     desire to do so, please contact Albert at 105/40.



     Regards,


     Poor, cold and tired Richard...


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From: LARRY JAMES                            Number: 688
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/28/93  3:55a
Subj: Greatings & stuff                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Please allow us to interduce meselves...

About a dozen or so dedicated sysops here in  Net 105 (including meselves) had
a party this weekend to erected an r/o ground station to G3 to receive the PC
downfeed.

As a FileBone HUB, my main interest in PC is the Filebone.

Although there are many in Net 105 that were/are involved in file distribution
before myself, many of them are now downlinks.

As a long time file distribution coordinator and Filebone HUB i'll soon be
receiving some great bird feed instead of calling LD for the FileBone files.

MORE [Y,n],
>>>Larry<<<

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From: RUDY HEHN                              Number: 689
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 11/27/93 10:51p
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Depending on the messages are based on, might it not be better to
-> correct to the software on your end that is causing those messages to
-> be generated?  At

Everybody's getting those messages - not just the offending systems.
That seems to be the problem.
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From: RUDY HEHN                              Number: 690
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/27/93 10:56p
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Whoa!!!  Must use?  I loaded PTC1123.ZIP on my system immediately
-> after receiving it.  For the first time in 45 days since installing
-> my PC system it crashed during the first night knocking the
-> workstation off of my network!  The screen was blank with a blinking
-> cursor.  I am now running v1009 dependably again.

It's been working perfectly here, and seems to have cut down the errors
caused by somebody accessing the hard drive on the server that's running
ptccmain. I'm not using DV though, if that's what you're doing.
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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 691
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 11/28/93  9:53p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> You also want what's in the FIDONET.NO.  If not, we have a serious
> problem.


    I can only send back what I am turned on for to receive. If I start sending
this stuff back to the star it would cause a bit of a problem on his end.


....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 692
  To: DAN DIMICK                               Date: 11/28/93  9:54p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> What about fidonet.no?

  See my previous message.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 693
  To: LISA GRONKE                              Date: 11/28/93  9:54p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Are you carrying the echos in fidonet.no (the quasi or temporary backbone
> list)?

> Many of us treat those echos the same as the ones in fidonet.na.

   Read my previous message to Dave.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 694
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/28/93  9:57p
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> That isn't a big problem... the problem is when routed netmail is sent to
> us and does not arrive and we miss the chance to sell something to pay
> our subscription fee for PC. :)

  As I stated ther is no routed netmail comming back for the star system. If I
routed a netmail message from you thru the star you would still have to call
your local hub or what ever to pick up any returns.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 695
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 11/28/93  9:58p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Not quite, it is being rerouted back into the system, see my msg in
> PCSITES.

   I hope it is now!

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 696
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 11/28/93  9:59p
Subj: Re: about 30 to 60 GMD Same N           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> After killing the same bundle(s) of 30-60 GMD NetMailed messages for the
> last weeks, this morning they came back in again. Please correct this.
> The GMD messages aren't even ment for my system or systems I feed.

    I think the system that was routing them back got it fixed.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 697
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/28/93 10:00p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG> P.S. Get your receiver??

> Yup.....did you get my netmail? :)


   Which one, and is it working better than the first one?

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 698
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 11/28/93 10:01p
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Ok, thanks.  Who exactly creates these maps?  Are they from the National
> Weather Service originally?  I hope they decide soon, because it's been
> quite a while since they were promised to us.  My users and I are getting
> a little edgy.

  I am not at liberty to say at the moment and yes they are working on it.
Should not me long now..

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 699
  To: RUDY HEHN                                Date: 11/28/93 10:02p
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> It's been working perfectly here, and seems to have cut down the errors
> caused by somebody accessing the hard drive on the server that's running
> ptccmain. I'm not using DV though, if that's what you're doing.

    Thats what I could not figure out. It would work on some and not on others.
I could not duplicate it on any machine I used at the office. There is a 1128
version going over that should put that bug to bed..


...Boyd

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 700
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 11/28/93  9:41p
Subj: Sizemail                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

KK>i dont use frodo or gecho..so i dont really know <grin>
KK> ... we're sitting on the oposite sided of the ol fence :)
KK>will my mower cut your lawn? <grin>

Yeah, but you havta push it, and I ride on mine. :)  :)

Ah.... Seriously, Ken, I found what I'd missed... It's a built-in option
I'd overlooked in the docs. Silly me!

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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 701
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 11/27/93 11:00a
Subj: Re: Ku in Pacific Northwest             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Richard Bash to All ***

RB>      Any comments from you Ku banders will be appreciated. Our
RB> group is currently breaking into its piggy banks and will be
RB> ordering very shortly. Thanks in advance.

Hi Richard,
     I'm in Shawnigan Lake, which is about 40 km outside of Victoria, BC (ya
know...up here in Igloo land...Canada!).  I ordered a Ku band system from
Planet Connect last week.  Should be here in a couple of days now.
     I too struggled with the question of Ku vs C....but after talking with
Kevin Battersby in Courtney, BC and another fellow in Nanaimo, BC, they both
reported perfect success with Ku in this area.  One has since switched to C,
but that apparently was only due to a bad receiver.  I am told that in our area
that we should get a 44db signal from the satellite on Ku.  I know little to
nothing about this but I've gone with Ku mainly because I don't have room for a
10 foot C dish.  I'm hoping it will all work okay....will let you know next
week I guess......yikes!

Glenn

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From: SARKUTIS URANUS                        Number: 702
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/18/93  6:53p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Try looking in your satellite inbound area for this:

 > L:\SKYDATA\SKYINFO\FILEAREA.CUR

 > Boyd sends it out very regular...

    Hmmm, I looked all over my L drive and could not find it or the path
<teehee>...

    Since 10-25-93 when I made my satellite server - I have not received a
FILEAREA.CUR or FILEAREA.* I just looked to make sure... I remember a while
back it used to come across and I made my TIC dir's using it - but mst of those
DIR's are empty and my "unknown" area is full of "other" TIC nets/groups/or
whatever you call em...

    A current listing of "real" areas would be kewl!

G.E. Ozz Nixon Jr.
OTWS&C

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From: SARKUTIS URANUS                        Number: 703
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/19/93 12:00a
Subj: Hello from Bermuda!                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Would you happen to have some source to a program (in pascal) that will
read inbound PKT's and write out a long ASCII txt file?

    Or know where I can get my hands on such source?

Ozzman...

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From: SYSOP OF HIGHER TECHNOLOGY: 8*14.4K    Number: 704
  To: DAVID BLUM                               Date: 11/22/93  9:18a
Subj: Re: GMD                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


David Blum,

 Wow... I never expected to see Monroe Wisc on Planet Connect Echo. I don't
know if you remember me or not, I was the SYSOP of the Electric Dreams BBS
in Freeport IL (just south of you). Although not directly on PC, we get the
feed from Ozz here in Chattanooga. I am trying to help him distribute here as
we have 8 lines that are pretty empty at night. Are you working with Kevin
Zimmerman on PC, or are you pulling it down yourself? (is Kevin even around
anymore...? if so say Hi! for me...)  --Mike--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 705
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/27/93  4:29p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  can pick it up when we poll you.  I'm sure you are aware  of  the
->  effects it would have on your business if routed netmail did  not
->  work.

Routed netmail still works the way it is supposed to work.  Routed
netmail goes by way of the NODE-NC-RC-STAR-RC-NC-NODE.  As per policy 4,
the *C structure routes netmail.  You should be connecting to your NC at
least once a week anyway and (s)he to the RC at least once a week, etc.

The *EC structure started handling routed netmail as a convenience to
the rest of Fidonet since nodes normally connected to their NEC daily
and the NEC to the REC, etc..., however, setting up routing statements
the higher up you get in the distribution channel becomes increasingly
difficult.  At the net level, it is easy to set-up what with a few to
perhaps a hundred nodes.  At the Region level, it becomes difficult to
route to individual nodes.

Let me explain it this way.  When I was the REC for Region 11, I routed
netmail to the NEC's and let them handle the routing to the nodes.  I
had 42 nets in the region, requiring 42 routing statements to perform
the task.  However, if I had all of the region polling me, instead of
just the NEC's, I would have needed over 1,200 routing statements to
perform the same task.

Since PC has nodes as well as nets connecting, the routing statements
for them would be a NIGHTMARE to set up.

Hope this helps explain a bit..

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 706
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 11/27/93  4:31p
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hi Boyd,
->
-> 24 Nov 93, 23:46, Boyd Goodin wrote to All:
->
->  BG> that are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is n
->  BG> the FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT!
->
-> The stars and most of the RECs were handling echos in Fidonet.no also
-> should be rather simple to handle those also.  Would you please recon
-> Things are fragmented enough as is.

PC already is sending mail from the .NO file.  Try taking the echos out
of your control file that are in *.NO and then watch your bad message
area fill up with mail.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 707
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 11/27/93  4:38p
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Boyd--
->
-> As of today, I'm STILL GETTING THEM, as well as a LOT of scrambled me
-> To
-> the tune of about 60 today!!! What is going on???

Take a look at the path line and you will see that the messages are
going and coming in a loop between 3615/50 and 3821/100.  Seems that
3821/100 is set up to return all netmail from 3615/51 to 3615/50 and his
mailer is doing what is has been told to do.

I sent a copy of the offending messages to Boyd and talked with him
voice about it yesterday.  We will see what happens.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 708
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 11/27/93  4:44p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> just have a lighter load and haven't yet see the problem. Or, maybe I
-> problem and haven't noticed it. (that wouldn't be surprising)

It would surprise the heck out of me if you had a problem and didn't
know it.  You were one of the most attentive NEC's that were around when
I was REC of the Region.

--Martin--

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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 709
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 11/28/93  4:05p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > >basic system as you, but have run into many file collisions across
 > >the LAN with TICK trying to add to an open .?LO file.
 >
 > The secret weapon is copymail. CPML-122.ZIP.  We point tick at an
 > offline outbound area, toss files, and then turn copymail loose on
 > it to merge the offline stuff into the live online area.


Are you running stuff in your TIC.CFG PASSTHRU??  How do you keep TICK from
killing your passthru stuff???

'course I'm running COPYMAIL v1.20, so perhaps a FileRequest is in order...

Thanks George...

                                --==jb==--


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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 710
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/27/93  5:34p
Subj: Re: Things...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov2717:34, Terry Blount of 1:3625/441 writes:

 TB>  That is basically what I've been  doing  except I  uncompress
 TB> my  mail bundles to a ram drive then tossing is so  much
 TB> faster.  If  Boyd would break up the  trasnmissions  into
 TB> smaller  sessions I  would really like to run the whole show
 TB> on a  ram  disk. I  don't  like my _expensive_ hard drive
 TB> coming  on  and  going  off  every second.
Maybe you should concider a good cache - probably better then a ram drive.
Takes me 10 minutes to toss the whole bundle with squish and 512k cache.
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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 711
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/29/93 12:57a
Subj: New Version                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The new version is working flawlessly.  To date this is one of the most stable
comm programs that I've ever seen that I've run under DV.  I've been able to
redo my system so that the PC machine spawns another window and tosses mail in
the background.  Intense hard drive activity (across a network to boot!)
doesn't phase the receiving of the files.  This is all on a 386/SX16 so I will
say that I am VERY happy with the status of the system and the results.

Keep it up!

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 712
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/29/93  1:06a
Subj: Node number                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

<sigh>  This stuff is driving me crazy.  I know that I just got my number
changed from 400 to 100, BUT I need to tell you now that (more than likely)
my node number will be changing back to 400 on or about January 1.

Sorry for the trouble.  Emergency situation popped up in the net with a hub
going down and I had to fill in.  A little foresight would have had me at 400
and 100, but Bob Davis frowns upon that type of activity.

I'll keep you abreast of any more ridiculous changes <sigh>

se ya                                                       Todd

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From: FRANK SCHEEL                           Number: 713
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/27/93  4:37p
Subj: Re: Things...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount wrote in a message to Jacobo Oduber:


TB>  That is basically what I've been  doing  except I
TB> uncompress  my  mail bundles to a ram drive then tossing is
TB> so  much  faster.  If  Boyd would break up the
TB> trasnmissions  into  smaller  sessions I  would really like
TB> to run the whole show on a  ram  disk. I  don't  like my
TB> _expensive_ hard drive coming  on  and  going  off  every
TB> second.

I have been running hyperdisk with the 16550 with delayed
write on and have not noticed any particular problems. It
does stop the write to the hard drive every second.
Later,
         <_Frank_>

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 714
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 11/28/93  3:16p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ed Marquis wrote in a message to Dan Williamson:

EM> Have you tried using Fred on the Usenet files from the bird?
EM>  My setup doesn't seem to recognize the format but then
EM> again I'm a real amateur at FRED and Usenet.  I sure would
EM> like to take a look at your setup.

Yup .... worked like a charm. I simply put all the extra bull aside (like the
necessary items associated with waffle and uucico) and use the following batch
file to process it:

==========================================================================

TOSSNEWS.BAT
------------------------------------------------------------------------

@echo off
: don't echo commands

spaz c:\newsgrp\pcusenet.*
: spaz unarchives all the pcusenet archives into the current dir

for %%F in (*.bag) do call MakePkt.Bat %%F
: call the conversion batch file

echo Y|del c:\newsgrp
: Don't use this until you're sure processing works correctly.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

MAKEPKT.BAT (Called by TossNews.Bat)
------------------------------------------------------------------------

fred-uf -c fred.cfg %1.bag 00000001.pkt
del %1.bag
: using the fred unix to fido gating (and your standard config file) : convert
the batched files into ftn packets and blow away original.

: Insert your site specific pkt processing here or your C/Pascal : routine to
rename the packet uniquely and bump the reference up one.

squish in out squash link
: Process the ftn packet immediately
---- OR -----
nmbcvrt 00000001.pkt refrnce.dat
: Using the value in refrnce.dat rename the 00000001.pkt
: to ########.pkt and increase the reference by one.
: (NB - This would be a simple C or Pascal program).

: If you just leave it as 00000001.pkt it will be overwritten each : time a
*.bag file is processed

==========================================================================

Any further processing is via your fido mailer/tosser software as usual.

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: RICHARD BASH                           Number: 715
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 11/28/93  1:28p
Subj: Whatcha using?                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dear Hans:


    What are you folks using in Calgary? C or Ku? If Ku, any problems?


Regards,


Poor Richard...


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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 716
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/25/93  1:06a
Subj: Problem with PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

This is what my ACONFIG.SKY file looks like:

#         net  grp  usr    major minor topic type    destination        limit
:rulebase, *,   1,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\SKYINFO/,   *
:rulebase, *,   2,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA/,           *
:rulebase, *,   3,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA/UPDATES/,   *
:rulebase, *,   4,   _SKYID, *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\PERSONAL/,  *
:rulebase, *,   5,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\FIDO/,      *
:rulebase, *,   6,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER/,   *
:rulebase, *,   7,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\TV/,                *
:rulebase, *,   8,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\CRS/,       *
:rulebase, *,   9,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\RIME/,      *
:rulebase, *,  10,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\ROSENET/,   *
:rulebase, *,  11,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\NEWSGRP/,   *
:rulebase, *,  12,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\MBBS/,      *

I tried to put the weather files on a different drive, but the software kept
returning an error.  If I moved everything to a different drive, all was ok.
Is there a restriction in PTCCMAIN that all areas must be on the same drive?

I don't have any problem moving the files after PTCCMAIN shuts down, but would
like to save them if possible to a different drive in the first place.

-=- Craig.

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 717
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/26/93  1:29a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd   Goodin   wrote   in  a   message    to    Terry    Blount:

>> We all seem to be getting a flood of netmail addressed  to   other
>> folks who are having problems.  Would it  be  too  difficult   for
> BG>
> BG>   Working on it. Seems to have  stopped  ever  since  I  stopped
> BG> alowing routed netmail through our system.

> Thanks...  now if you could only  fix  it  so  that  we  can  use
> routed net mail through your system and pick it up when  we  call
> in with our reply mail.  I polled my old hub a few days  ago  and
> found about 15 routed netmail  messages  that  had  been  waiting
> there for over a month.  Needless to say that I lost  some  sales
> that could have helped me pay my Planet Connect subscription  fee
> <grin>. It is really difficult to  try  to  teach  everyone  that
> CRASH netmail is the ONLY option that is now  available  to  most
> of us who are using  Planet  Connect.   Since  EVERY  moderator's
> most frequently posted message is  "Take  this  to  netmail"   we
> really need to get routed netmail working  properly  so  that  we
> can pick it up when we poll you.  I'm sure you are aware  of  the
> effects it would have on your business if routed netmail did  not
> work.

> Thanks for your ear.

> --- timEd-A10c
> * Origin: Center  of   the   Cosmos    205-824-2611  (1:3625/441)

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 718
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/26/93  1:40a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Thanks...  now if you could only  fix  it  so  that  we  can  use
> routed net mail through your system and pick it up when  we  call

  Think about this for a second. When I pass it on to John then it hits its
destination. Now when someone replies via routed it goes out thier hub and
followings its path back to where you would normaly pick it up. Routing thru me
is one way guy. You seen the mess I had with routed stuff going all over the
place! Since we are dealing with *MANY* nets this becomes a routing nightmare.
I have tried it, created problems, so I have stopped, unless of course,
everyone still wants a whole bunch of stuff ending up in thier netmail areas.

> in with our reply mail.  I polled my old hub a few days  ago  and
> found about 15 routed netmail  messages  that  had  been  waiting
> there for over a month.  Needless to say that I lost  some  sales
> that could have helped me pay my Planet Connect subscription  fee
> <grin>. It is really difficult to  try  to  teach  everyone  that

   As I stated YOU still would have to call him to pick up your replies if we
route mail. So if you have routed stuff to go out use your normal means and
then you are sure to get it out.

> CRASH netmail is the ONLY option that is now  available  to  most
> of us who are using  Planet  Connect.   Since  EVERY  moderator's
> most frequently posted message is  "Take  this  to  netmail"   we
> really need to get routed netmail working  properly  so  that  we
> can pick it up when we poll you.  I'm sure you are aware  of  the
> effects it would have on your business if routed netmail did  not
> work.

   I dont see any solution to this problem.

...Boyd

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 719
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 11/25/93 12:46a
Subj: New node getting this ech               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Maybe the fido boys need to re-think when ZMH take place...;-)

Chris you've got to be kidding. The whole world would have to change their time
and that just isn't going to happen.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 720
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 11/29/93  2:08p
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

 > BG>    Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys
 > BG> tossing your mail?
 >
 > GS> THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail......
 >
 > And again today......

TL> Read carefully Greg.  Those are Qmail logs, not GMD stats.
TL> QM logs I can handle.

Qmail logs that tell individuals that their message has no origin line and
sends them a copy of it? I dont think so.....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 721
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/29/93  2:10p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

> BG> P.S. Get your receiver??
BG>
> Yup.....did you get my netmail? :)
BG>
BG>    Which one, and is it working better than the first one?

The one you replied to :).....

The new receiver is working fine......a BIG improvement over the other one.

[e-mail]

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From: KERRY SUTLEY                           Number: 722
  To: BOYD                                     Date: 11/29/93  4:30p
Subj: Hi All!!                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Just a note to say hello, and let everyone know that Machinery OnLine
is echoing this forum. Well Boyd everything is working perfectly!!!
 Kerry Sutley, Sysop Machinery OnLine 1:2601/581

--- MajorMAIL V1.61 for Fido

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 723
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 11/29/93  7:56p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Basically, there isn't any reason you can't route netmail recieved via
> landline via John's system.

   Ok. Tell me this. WHERE are the replies (coming back) going to be routed to?
Even John told me this is one way.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 724
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 11/29/93  8:04p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> <toss inbound mail, do not pack>
> <MsgTrack>
> Send xxxx 3615/50
> Route Hold 396/1 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All

  Thats what I had except for the MsgTrack and I did not see one routed netmail
flow back to me from John for one of the systems. Why is this? because the
reply would follow the route back that would put the message on the hub that is
in the network. If I routed a message thru 1:396/1 I would have to call
1:3615/1 to get my reply. It would not go thru 396/1. If I was in the 396 net
then I would receive the reply thru 396/1 system. Maybe George can explain this
a little better than me. But if I am wrong then I will try again.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 725
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 11/29/93  8:07p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> SEND <however> 3615/51     ; to the uplink system.
> SEND  HOLD  123/301 133/16 321/123 or any other system you route for.
> ROUTE <however> 369/1  1:all 2:all 3:all 4:all 5:all 6:all

> The problem seems to be that you are trying to send everything to the
> uplink system and out the bird.  As 3615/50, you're just another system
> on the net and should be able to do anything any of us can do.  And that
> includes properly running GMD with return message being placed on hold
> for the offending system.

   Nope. I had everything exactly like that in my route.cfg file. But it did
not work. Look at the GMD's. I think they were send all over the universe.

...Boyd

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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 726
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/28/93  6:19p
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd,

27 Nov 93, 15:41, Boyd Goodin wrote to Tim Dowell:

 BG>    Thanks. I know that not all areas in the .NO file are carried by
 BG> the star system I call.

I thought you were calling John.  When I was hooked into Steve Cross,
everything that was in Fidonet.No was available from him and he got his feed
from John.  You might want to check on that.



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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 727
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/30/93  2:30a
Subj: Echo's                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


  I must ask everyone's forgiveness. I was wrong! We are sending everything
from the FIDONET.NA *AND* the FIDONET.NO files. So I take everything back. Now
if only everyone would check their areas and make sure I am not getting local
stuff like SOC_ROOT, EIAC (or something like that), RA-BETA (Dont carry this
cause I dont have acces). Want more?

...Boyd

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From: LANCE TAYLOR-WARREN                    Number: 728
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/29/93  6:33p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dan!

28 Nov 93 15:16, Dan Williamson wrote to Ed Marquis:

 DW> Ed Marquis wrote in a message to Dan Williamson:

 EM>> Have you tried using Fred on the Usenet files from the bird?
 EM>> My setup doesn't seem to recognize the format but then
 EM>> again I'm a real amateur at FRED and Usenet.  I sure would
 EM>> like to take a look at your setup.

 DW> Yup .... worked like a charm. I simply put all the extra bull
 DW> aside (like the necessary items associated with waffle and
 DW> uucico) and use the following batch file to process it:

 DW> =================================================================
 DW> =========

 DW> TOSSNEWS.BAT
 DW> -+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+---
 DW> -+--+--


 DW> for %%F in (*.bag) do call MakePkt.Bat %%F
 DW> : call the conversion batch file

Here is what I came up with, saves having to go into another batch file.  This
does require 4DOS, but if your not using 4DOS you should be!! :)


 ECHO .
 ECHO . Checking for new usenet messages
 ECHO .
 cd c:\fredgate\spool\pcusenet
 IF EXIST c:\binkley\files\pcusenet.* pkunzip c:\binkley\files\pcusenet.*
 IF EXIST c:\binkley\files\pcusenet.* del     c:\binkley\files\pcusenet.*
 ECHO .
 ECHO . Converting UseNET to FidoNET with FRED-UF
 ECHO .
 for %%m in (c:\fredgate\spool\pcusenet\news*.bag) do fred-uf -c...
...c:\fredgate\config.nws %%m c:\binkley\files\0000%@substr[%%m,31,4].pkt
 del *.bag

Then all the packets have a unique name and squish can toss them later.


Lance

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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 729
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/29/93  8:18p
Subj: PC Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I'm just about ready to order PC for my system, and my net out here, however I
have just a few questions.

Is anyone successfully running the pc software under dv, or os/2?.  I have a
dx2-66mhz @ 76mhz w/ 16 megs of ram. And would prefer os/2 if possible.

If I'm able to run the system under a multitasker, then I can order the service
at this point.  If not, then It'll be awhile until I can afford a peer to peer
enviroment setting in order to pull the messages in.

Also is this base strictly for Sysops?  Or can users read this echo as well?  I
have a few people interested in picking this up.

Bill

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 730
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/29/93  7:12p
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> That isn't a big problem... the problem is when routed netmail is sen
-> and does not arrive and we miss the chance to sell something to pay o
-> subscription fee for PC. :)

Routed netmail for commercial purposes is contrary to fidonet.  Fidonet
is a NON-commerical enterprise.  IF you are conducting business via
routed netmail, then you are causing all of the volunteers out there to
suffer financial losses for your personal financial gain.  Are you
paying each of the nodes involved in routing your business mail?  IF
not, re-read policy 4.

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 731
  To: JACK WINSLADE                            Date: 11/29/93  7:14p
Subj: SUGGESTION...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  >Sort of like the invention of the flush toilet by Thomas Crapper.
->
-> Not to turn this into alt.folklore.urban, but I can provide some docu
-> references to Sir Thomas Crapper.  He did exist, but his legend has b
-> quite embellished.

Not to mention his name has been flushed down the ........  never-mind.

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 732
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/28/93 11:48p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Thanks...  now if you could only  fix  it  so  that  we  can  use
> routed net mail through your system and pick it up when  we  call
 BG>
 BG>   Think about this for a second. When I pass it on to John then it hits
 BG> its destination. Now when someone replies via routed it
 BG> goes out thier hub and followings its path back to
 BG> where you would normaly pick it up. Routing thru me is
 BG> one way guy. You seen the mess I had with routed stuff
 BG> going all over the place! Since we are dealing with
 BG> *MANY* nets this becomes a routing nightmare. I have
 BG> tried it, created problems, so I have stopped, unless
 BG> of course, everyone still wants a whole bunch of stuff
 BG> ending up in thier netmail areas.

Boyd, this doesn't make sense to me.  Outbound wise, you only have two nodes to
deal with.  One, you make copies of everything received via land line to
3615/50, aka the uplink.  Two, you make "..." to 396/1.

All you have to do is route everything not going to your own uplink address
over to 396/1.  You mighta oughta run something like MsgTrack on it first
though, or you'll be seeing warnings from his -:)

Basically, there isn't any reason you can't route netmail recieved via landline
via John's system.



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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 733
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 11/28/93 11:54p
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
->    Check your echo areas. I am getting a lot of messages from echos t
-> not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is not in the FIDO
-> file I DONT WANT IT!

 MB> You might want to ammend that to include the FIDONET.NO file as well, as
 MB> you send echos in that file as well.  The FIDONET.NO file is for those
 MB> echos that are not in the ELIST and were in FIDONET.NA.  Currently there


There are also quite a few Filebone related echos being pumped down.



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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 734
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/28/93 11:58p
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 GS> No......they are being sent to 3615/51 which is -every- downlink

Oh, now that's cute -:)



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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 735
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/29/93 12:07a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> speeds up the netmail process.
 BG>
 BG>    We do not route netmail. What is the sense of us
 BG> routing netmail when yopu would still have to call your
 BG> regular place to pick up any returns. Still a LD call no matter what.

Because there are some nets that if you are not a member of their CRP (and I
know of at least two that have both landline and dish feed), then you don't get
routed outbound services either.  Neither is the dish operator always the
inbound link.

It will not be _that_ difficult to implement.  I also think you'll find that
many your customers would prefer that you in fact handle it.  As a commercial
service...

<toss inbound mail, do not pack>
<MsgTrack>
Send xxxx 3615/50
Route Hold 396/1 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All



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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 736
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/28/93  9:02p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 27 15:39>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   We do not route netmail. What is the sense of us routing
 BG>netmail when yopu would still have to call your regular place to
 BG>pick up any returns. Still a LD call no matter what.

If it was properly routed, all returns would be on hold at 3615/50 when ever
the node called.

John routes any nodes/nets you service to you.  You simply put them on hold.
The netmail is handled differently then the echomail and since the echomail is
all processed to 3615/51, these specific net/node holds would have no effect on
it.

When ever a node polls you and delivers outbound echomail and any routed
netmail you simply route any outbound netmail to John or to be put on hold if
the system is already on PC.  The star, region and net hubs do it all the time.
 Say you're processing for 123/301, 133/16 & 321/123 amoung others.  You're
routing file might look like....

SEND <however> 3615/51     ; to the uplink system.
SEND  HOLD  123/301 133/16 321/123 or any other system you route for.
ROUTE <however> 369/1  1:all 2:all 3:all 4:all 5:all 6:all

The problem seems to be that you are trying to send everything to the uplink
system and out the bird.  As 3615/50, you're just another system on the net and
should be able to do anything any of us can do.  And that includes properly
running GMD with return message being placed on hold for the offending system.

This sounds too simple... what am I missing......   :-)

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 737
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/28/93  9:24p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 27 15:41>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   Thanks. I know that not all areas in the .NO file are carried
 BG>by the star system I call.

Hmmmm.... strange... they are here.  And I'm one step away from John.

D.

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From: ALBERT GAYLORD                         Number: 738
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 11/28/93  6:54a
Subj: Re: where are you????                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave!

Wednesday November 24 1993, Dave Sloan writes to Albert Gaylord:

 DS> In a msg on <Nov2423:16, Albert Gaylord of 1:105/40 writes:

 AG>> -!- GoldED 2.40+  TeamOS/2 - ssA Satellite Hub
 AG>> ! Origin: ssA Satellite Syndicate Assocs SHub 1-503 297-1112

 DS> I see that you are running OS/2. We are setting up now to feed the mail
 DS> into an OS/2 system for distribution. I have some ideas on how this should
 DS> be done. Maybe I will start documenting what I am doing so that we can
 DS> work out the most effective method of distribution and feedback to the PC
 DS> system. Any ideas then let me know. I will document what I have done up to
 DS> now tommorrow so that we can get our 'heads together' so to speak. -+-
 DS> msgedsq/2 2.1
 DS>  + Origin: Tech Talk Toll Wpg,MB(204)269-7373 HST/Dual (1:348/105)

Our satellite downlink site also uses OS/2, so if you post in this echo he -
and all the others using/wishing to use OS/2 will know better how to implement
it.

Thanks,

Albert

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From: RICHARD BASH                           Number: 739
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/29/93  1:43p
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > Thank you for the attempts and please take your time.  Looking
-> > forward to yet another EXCELLENT service from your company!  Netmai
-> > BIG plus!
->
->   Not any more! Too many problems with it.

     Boyd, like others, I would like to see a true solution to this
issue of routed netmail rather than simply not dealing with it. We are
extremely pleased with your concept (actually bought and installed the
system yesterday and debugging it now). However, I do not think you can
just disregard routed netmail. I would urge you to consider some method
of implementing it for Fidonet. Please.

     On another, more upbeat note, can you please tell us something
about yourself, how this all started, etc. One of our group asked and
we said we did not know but that I would make inquiries. A little
history might be of interst to the other folks as well. What does
management at the shop-at-home channel you are working for think of all
of this? When did you first get the idea? You are obviously an
innovative guy and may wish to record this historical event.

    Best of success and please do not give up on the concept of routed
netmail. It may very well be a headache but it is important enough to
merit further review.


Regards,


Poor Richard...


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From: RICHARD BASH                           Number: 740
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/29/93  1:50p
Subj: COM1 no good?                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Is there a restriction on using COM1 for the receiver? If so, are
there workarounds? Thanks.


Regards,


Poor Richard...


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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 741
  To: DAVID BLUM                               Date: 11/20/93 12:23p
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I got the file from you and it works great,  but how do I keep it from
 > sending messages back to Boyd about the grunged messages.  As I'm sure
 > that he has better things to do than read those messages<G>, right
 > Boyd..



    Try looking for a Packet Exclude parameter in the GMD config, David, and
entering Boyd's address(es) there.  I don't run GMD here myself, but my fiance
does.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 742
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/20/93 12:23p
Subj: Re: Dupes                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  Well now waht happened was that some of last weeks mail got in with
 > that days mail. So you got old and new. This was a mistake at the UPLINK
 > computer. I have remedied the problem. Thanks for letting me know.



    Okay, thanks Boyd!


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: RICK MORRIS                            Number: 743
  To: ALL                                      Date: 11/30/93  9:01a
Subj: Routed Netmail                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I've read a lot about routed netmail recently and would like to make a
clarification here... routed netmail is supposed to be routed through the
*C's... even though the *EC's have been nice enough to do it, it's not
something that a hub has to do if they don't want to...

Rick Morris
NC/NEC 2350

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 744
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 11/24/93  4:36p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECHO              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Jim,


You pose a good argument for the little delay. I may just go ahed and shift my
external events, or remove some of them. I had them there when I was a mail
hub, and like you, I didn't want to use TIMS to do my tossing. It has major
draw backs for everything except netmail. I think that processing everything
after 01:00 the next day will become part of normal procedure. You are
absolutely correct... it IS only echomail.

Regards


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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 745
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 11/28/93 10:45p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hi Mike,
-> Hope you have a great Thanksgiving. Hang onto your hat, not only am I
-> sending this message to you but some NICE cold weather!
->
-> Let me know how this comes out.
->
-> Mark 433


Wow, it poured for two days up here with high winds. Thanks a lot, Buddy!!! <G>

Looks like you got it set up great... Coming in loud and clear

Mike

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 746
  To: JEFF WARD                                Date: 11/29/93  5:31p
Subj: Gmd messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> You and me both. I just dumped about 60 out of my netmail area that were
-> tossed today. Maybe we'll hear something soon. Later!

Looks like the GMD messages are a thing of the past. None today!!

PC1128.ZIP also works like a charm... I'm very pleased with the performance of
the unit.  I only wish the mail would come earlier in the AM and could be
automated in some way (or maybe one could be transmitted at 11pm, which would
arrive about 3am and be processed for the morning readers...

Mike

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From: DAVE MILLER                            Number: 747
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 11/30/93  1:03p
Subj: Problem with PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

[munch]

 CC> I tried to put the weather files on a different drive,
 CC> but the software kept returning an error.  If I moved
 CC> everything to a different drive, all was ok.  Is there
 CC> a restriction in PTCCMAIN that all areas must be on the same drive?

 CC> I don't have any problem moving the files after
 CC> PTCCMAIN shuts down, but would like to save them if
 CC> possible to a different drive in the first place.

 CC> -=- Craig.

Yes there is a restriction that all areas must bo on the same drive.  This is
stated in the documentation that came on your initial distribution disk.  I too
would like to be able to specify different drive.  HOW about it BOYD will this
feature be possible in a future upgrade of the software?

Dave.

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 748
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/30/93  5:26p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > George can explain this a little better than me. But if I am
 > wrong then I will try again.


That's a good answer, Moosehead.  It should work, but I believe your first
priority should be perfectly smooth echomail and files day in and day out.
After that, routed netmail should be fairly easy to implement.   later dude and
keep up the good work.

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 749
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/01/93  2:09a
Subj: PC Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BW> I'm just about ready to order PC for my system, and my
BW> net out here, however I have just a few questions.

BW> Is anyone successfully running the pc software under
BW> dv, or os/2?.  I have a dx2-66mhz @ 76mhz w/ 16 megs
BW> of ram. And would prefer os/2 if possible.

BW> If I'm able to run the system under a multitasker,
BW> then I can order the service at this point.  If not,
BW> then It'll be awhile until I can afford a peer to peer
BW> enviroment setting in order to pull the messages in.

Bill,

I've been running it under DV since mid Oct. with EXCELLENT
results. This on a little 386DX-40 with 5meg of RAM.

The latest release of the software is (for me) as stable & error free under DV
as it is under plain old DOS.

The use of 16550's is IMPERATIVE as is a FAST hard drive.

Mickey

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From: JERRY RUSSELL                          Number: 750
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/30/93  2:26p
Subj: ECHO'S                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd !
 How about providing the K-12 Network Echos. Have you talked to them ?
 Sure would like to see the SAT. system deliver more goods ! :)

 Regards
 Jerry

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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 751
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 11/30/93 12:16p
Subj: COM1 no good?                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     Is there a restriction on using COM1 for the receiver? If so, are
 > there workarounds? Thanks.

Richard. I am running it on com1: over here with no problems. Maybe you have a
problem with your serial port or a conflict with a com3 mouse?

Just make sure you change all the info for com1 in the config file. There are 4
or 5 parameters if I recall correctly.

TTYL
      Laz

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 752
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 11/30/93 10:10a
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >Are you running stuff in your TIC.CFG PASSTHRU??  How do you keep TICK from
 >killing your passthru stuff???

Nope. I don't run it passthru. I can see where that could be a problem.

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 753
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 11/30/93 10:19a
Subj: PLANET CONNECT ECHO                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >for a time period when ZC.  If memory serves me correctly you asked
 >everyone who used Fidonet for commercial purposes to be sure and do
 >it on their own nickel and not routed netmail through others who did
 >this for a hobby...

Yup. It was a warning about doing shareware/commercial product
registration and sale using non-consenting routed netmail. Echomail,
being a point-to-point arrangement deliberately set up between
consenting nodes, is a bit different. Still a pretty wild beast, but one
we've consciously consented to.

There are varying opinions about this and I confess that mine wanders on
occasion. We're still experimenting and still trying to get a grip on
FidoNet itself. And as a result the echo police do sometimes embark on
little crusades. Once it was origin lines. Even tear lines. I'm certain
we have lots more fun ahead.

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From: GARY BERG                              Number: 754
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/01/93  4:34a
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    Nope. I had everything exactly like that in my
 > route.cfg file. But it did not work. Look at the
 > GMD's. I think they were send all over the universe.

Depends on how the sats antennae are pointed (*)

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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 755
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/29/93  9:34a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG> > Ok, thanks.  Who exactly creates these maps?  Are they from the National
BG> > Weather Service originally?  I hope they decide soon, because it's been

BG>   I am not at liberty to say at the moment and yes they are
BG> working on it. Should not me long now..

I guess we'll just have to be patient . . . :-)



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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 756
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/29/93 11:40p
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd,

28 Nov 93, 21:53, Boyd Goodin wrote to Dave Osborne:

 BG>     I can only send back what I am turned on for to receive. If I
 BG> start sending this stuff back to the star it would cause a bit of a
 BG> problem on his end.

If you're pulling from John, you should be (and are) getting these areas
already, so it isn't a problem.



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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 757
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 11/29/93 11:42p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi MARTIN,

27 Nov 93, 16:29, MARTIN BELCKE wrote to TERRY BLOUNT:

 MB> netmail goes by way of the NODE-NC-RC-STAR-RC-NC-NODE.  As per
 MB> policy 4, the *C structure routes netmail.  You should be connecting
 MB> to your NC at least once a week anyway and (s)he to the RC at least
 MB> once a week, etc.

Read policy again.  The RC isn't required to route netmail.



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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 758
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/01/93 10:22a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  I no longer have a "regular" place.  PC  is  my  "regular"  place
 >  now.  Sending netmail is not the problem... I can  crash  it  but
 >  teaching the fidonet world that routed netmail is  no  longer  an



    Terry, don't you maintain any type of local or regional connect for the
purpose of picking up local/regional echoes or routed netmail?


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 759
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 11/30/93  3:53p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TOSSNEWS.BAT

Thanks for the info.  I got your message and Lance's on the same day. Since I
use 4DOS I tried Lance's batch file and it works very nicely.

I appreciate the reply!

Ed

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 760
  To: LANCE TAYLOR-WARREN                      Date: 11/30/93  4:27p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >ECHO . Converting UseNET to FidoNET with FRED-UF
 >ECHO .
 >for %%m in (c:\fredgate\spool\pcusenet\news*.bag) do fred-uf -c...
 >...c:\fredgate\config.nws %%m c:\binkley\files\0000%@substr[%%m,31,4].pkt

This worked real well with 4DOS 5.0.  I just changed the paths and @substr
string position for the filename portion...

Thanks!

Ed

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 761
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/01/93  2:22p
Subj: New Version                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 29 00:57>, Todd Lyons writes:

 TL>I've been able to redo my system so that the PC machine spawns another
 TL>window and tosses mail in the background.  Intense hard drive activity
 TL>(across a network to boot!) doesn't phase the receiving of the files.
 TL>This is all on a 386/SX16 so I will say that I am VERY happy with the
 TL>status of the system and the results.

Hey!  That's sounds great.  If it works that way for me, I'll be impressed.
And Boyd knows that ain't easy to do.  :-)

Uh, Boyd....  Whar's ma dish????

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 762
  To: BARRY CASSETTY                           Date: 12/01/93  2:24p
Subj: where are you????                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 18 10:34>, Barry Cassetty writes:

 > First, it is not all that seldom that I get up in the
 > morning to find the whole mess belly up with all 4
 > port in the air.  When you uplink at 0730EST, that's
 > 0630CST (my time) and 0430PST.  Having the first
 > uplink a little later would make the hours more
 > reasonable.

 BC>I would like to this type of operation...

I agree, but I think it has died the slow death of apathy.  :-(

Happy Holidays,

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 763
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/01/93  2:30p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 29 19:56>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   Ok. Tell me this. WHERE are the replies (coming back) going to
 BG>be routed to? Even John told me this is one way.

Boyd, John simply routes any netmail to 3615/50 for any system that's you feed
in the same way you route it to him.  He does it now for other nets via modem,
there is little difference between feeding you and feeding an REC.

Admittedly the chain is routed netmail is involved and demands a lot of
maintenance.  It'd be nice if we had something along the lines of areafix for
routed netmail.  Although Message Track does a good job, it doesn't allow
remote control.  But, this CAN all be done.  Honest!  :-)

Say I'm calling 3615/50 to deliver mail.  I also deliver the nets routed
netmail.  If that mail goes to a system you already feed, the process is over,
your system simply sticks it on hold.  If that mail is going someplace other
than a PC system, you route it to John.

On the other side.  If someone sends something to me, it's routed via their
links to John.  John has a routing statement that routes 123 to 3615/50.  You
get it, put it on hold and I pick it up.  It works!  Honest!  :-)  Pain in the
ass to maintain, but it does work.

Don't say it can't be done.  It already is.

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 764
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/01/93  2:42p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 29 20:07>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>I think they were send all over the universe.

Ha!  Yeh, literally.  <G>

I'm not sure what went wrong except that GMD does handle things kinda
backdoorish.  It actually creates a netmail to itself that is routed by the
host system.... or something like that.  So if routing wasn't working neither
will GMD.

I'm not sure what to tell ya, except that it can and does work.  Don't try to
rush it, pick one or two system close by that you can test with.  What
processor are you using?  Qm and Squish require FORWARD FROM/TO lines as well
in order to enable routing.  One step at a time.

First step, whar's ma dish?   :-)

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 765
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/01/93  2:57p
Subj: Echo's                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Nov 30 02:30>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>  I must ask everyone's forgiveness. I was wrong! We are sending
 BG>everything from the FIDONET.NA *AND* the FIDONET.NO files. So I
 BG>take everything back.

You're forgiven..... just as soon as I get my dish.   :-)

D.

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From: LARRY JAMES                            Number: 766
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/01/93  2:24a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>> SEND <however> 3615/51     ; to the uplink system.
>> SEND  HOLD  123/301 133/16 321/123 or any other system you route for.
>> ROUTE <however> 369/1  1:all 2:all 3:all 4:all 5:all 6:all

> Nope. I had everything exactly like that in my route.cfg file. But it
> did not work. Look at the GMD's. I think they were send all over the
> universe.

Me thinks <grone> it should look something like this.

Route to 123/301 for 123/all
Route to 133/16 for 133/all
.
.
.
Route to UPLINK for DOWNLINK_ONLY
Route to 369/1 for OTHERS

OTHERS = those nets you have no links to.

>>>Larry<<<

Say hello to Veger:-)

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 767
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 12/01/93  3:18p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > And, I'm adding a 4th Pioneer CD-ROM changer RSN. That'll require
 > a bunch of changes in configuration files, just to get enough
 > drive letters. I think I can make B: a network drive under
 > Lantastic....

Don't feel bad.  I've run out of drive letters myself.  Had to remap A: and B:
to get two more CD's online.  I run one Pioneer drive and a bunch of single
drives.  I heard that there was some software that would make the Pioneer
drives appear as one drive letter with the different CD's as subdirectories
under it but don't know where to get it or what it's called.  I sure would love
to see someone write a driver that would do this.  You could have 6 times more
CD's online if you used all Pioneer 604x drives.  I could just map drives on
the fly in batch files but I want all CD's searchable and accessible at once.

Ed

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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 768
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 11/30/93  6:52p
Subj: Size Of Squish Bundles                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Ervin Jay to Dave Sloan ***

EJ> Squish will limit the size of the individual PKTs inside each
EJ> arcmail bundle, but will not limit the size of the bundles
EJ> themselves.
EJ>
EJ> For that you need to run SizeMail from inside your Squish
EJ> ROUTE.CFG using a
EJ> DOS sizemail -cD:\Bink\sizemail.cfg
EJ> Line.
EJ>
EJ> It realli does make a big difference for those with large feed
EJ> downlinks.
EJ>
EJ> Cheers, Ervin
EJ>

Could you elaborte on this a bit more?  I have several downlinks that intake
between 2 and 3.5 megs per day, and the way I have it set up right now, it just
keeps adding and adding to the bundle until the next day comes.  So I have a
3.5 meg bundle of mail.  I'd like to put these in 500K or so bundles...but I
can't seem to figure out how it is done.  Not to mention as my inbound daily
dump arrives it takes longer and longer to add to bundles that grow bigger and
bigger.

Glenn

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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 769
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 11/30/93  7:06p
Subj: Re: Things...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Dave Sloan to Terry Blount ***

DS> Maybe you should concider a good cache - probably better then a
DS> ram drive. Takes me 10 minutes to toss the whole bundle with
DS> squish and 512k cache.

Maybe you could elaborate on this a bit more (maybe in netmail to me).  I use
Squish and presently get about 4-5 megs of echomail per day, and it usually
takes the better part of an hour to process the mail and bundle it up for my 25
or so downlinks.  Needless to say my poor hard drive gets a good kicking
everyday.

My satellite system arrived yesterday and should be up and working by next
week, and then I'll really be getting some large volumes of mail and this
concerns me even more about the old hard drive.

Glenn

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 770
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 12/01/93 11:34p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

Sunday November 28 1993, John Burton writes to George Peace:

 >> The secret weapon is copymail. CPML-122.ZIP.  We point tick at an
 >> offline outbound area, toss files, and then turn copymail loose on
 >> it to merge the offline stuff into the live online area.

Thanks for the Tip, George, works great for me in a special purpose......
but don't think it would work for my normal configuration.

 JB> Are you running stuff in your TIC.CFG PASSTHRU??  How do you keep TICK
 JB> from killing your passthru stuff???

Once I twigged to this little hummer...

I set up a second, dummy, Tick.CFG pointing to my real outbound and this is the
one that does the PassThru deleting...

Appears to be working here.  then again, I am only using this to hatch SatMail
to the other Net Hubs, so TICK never really runs on the HATCH Tic.CFG file.

Now, on a normal system where Tic is processing incoming file to downlinks,
what is it that stops Tic from first looking at the CaopyMail outbound and,
seeing no FLO files with pending Passthru files (since thery were all moved to
the regular outbound last time) from then deleting all the PT and passthru
files which are really still pending in FLO files in the real outbound?

Cheers, Ervin

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From: KYLE HEARN                             Number: 774
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/01/93  9:06p
Subj: 'dish' mail                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I run a message only BBS in Ft. Worth, Texas and hear quite a bit about the
sat. system for recieving mail. I have built a rather large unix server,
netware server and have ethernet,tcp/ip, nfs, nis, atp, etc. I built the unix
server for the purpose of purchasing pagesat for getting usenet piped into my
network. It is my understanding that this type of system is available for
fidonet. I would appreciated more information about this service, how much it
costs, what is required to hook it up, etc. I am basically wanting something to
dump mail on my bbs 24 hours a day and keep keep everything on fidonet coming
in here. I would also like to know how messages would get out from here back
into the net. I would like to do something with fidonet before I do something
with usenet as I understand the usenet system really tears the hard drive up.

About pagesat, is anyone in this echo running it? I am wanting to purchase this
system in the very near future also.

If there is an info pack I can freq from someone about either of these
services, please let me know.

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From: KYLE HEARN                             Number: 775
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/01/93  9:16p
Subj: PC Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mickey Ferguson stated these words of wisdom to Bill Wolf:


MF> Bill,

MF> I've been running it under DV since mid Oct. with EXCELLENT
MF> results. This on a little 386DX-40 with 5meg of RAM.

MF> The latest release of the software is (for me) as stable &
MF> error free under DV as it is under plain old DOS.

MF> The use of 16550's is IMPERATIVE as is a FAST hard drive.

How big of a drive do you need/recommend for this?

                               Kyle

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 776
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/02/93  9:54a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Patty Pickett wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

PP>     Terry, don't you maintain any type of local or regional
PP> connect for the purpose of picking up local/regional echoes
PP> or routed netmail?

Not since it has gone down.

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 777
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/01/93 11:00p
Subj: Qfront                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Is anyone out there using QFRONT as a front end processor with the satellite?
We're considering a switch from D'Bridge (which takes *6* hours per day on a
486).

Mike

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 778
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 12/02/93 11:24p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I thought you were calling John.  When I was hooked into Steve Cross,
> everything that was in Fidonet.No was available from him and he got his
> feed from John.  You might want to check on that.


    Yep I diod and I have everything in both areas. Sorry about that. Now if I
could only get people to stop sending local areas to me I think I would be able
to work on getting this routed netmail thing done, finalize the Usenet stuff,
work on other networks, look into a europe feed, and also find time for a life.
;-)

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 779
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 12/02/93 11:42p
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd, like others, I would like to see a true solution to this
> issue of routed netmail rather than simply not dealing with it. We are
> extremely pleased with your concept (actually bought and installed the

   One nice solution would be to have 10 systems, 6 in US and 4 in Canada, that
each had a region and everone in each reagina would drop of mail to these
systems instead of call directly to us. In turn we supply a number for the 10
systems to drop off mail to us. We would not have a problem with routing then
as I would only have 10 systems to set up and routing would be handle from each
system to mine then routed to what every of the 10 systems that net is in. Oh
well, I can dream though can't I?

> On another, more upbeat note, can you please tell us something
> about yourself, how this all started, etc. One of our group asked and
> we said we did not know but that I would make inquiries. A little

   Nope, I like keeping things a mystery. All I can say is that I am 33 years
old, single, and my hair is turning white from this job! ;-)

> history might be of interst to the other folks as well. What does
> management at the shop-at-home channel you are working for think of all
> of this? When did you first get the idea? You are obviously an

  Could not tell you about what they think. We are two different companies
founded by the same person. Joe Overhold works more of a consultant to S.A.H.
nowadays. Shop At Home just uplinks our signal. I dont work for them. They
could not afford me!

> innovative guy and may wish to record this historical event.

   Please dont give me all the credit. Joe Overhold founded this and I came to
work for him a year ago today. I mainly worked on the Skylink project and now
take care of the technical aspects of Planet Connect. Which of course include
taking care of the computers and stuff at the uplink. Joe is the one with the
ideas, I just keep everything running a smooth as I can.

> Best of success and please do not give up on the concept of routed
> netmail. It may very well be a headache but it is important enough to
> merit further review.

   I am not giving it up! Giving up is not in my vocabulary! JUst going to take
a while thats all. Who knows, maybe someday this 10 system idea will be in
operation.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 780
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/02/93 11:45p
Subj: Re: Dupes                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Okay, thanks Boyd!

    Your welcome. By the way. Someone is dropping of a local echo and while
going thru my badecho area I noticed a few people talking about a wedding. Nice
half drawing of a wedding gown in one of them. You would not be tying the knot
by any chance?

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 781
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 12/02/93 11:46p
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> well whatever rate, if it doesnt include Canada, they're rather USEless
> <grin>
> and to think one of my bbs's callers uploaded me a weather pic of the
> northern hemisphere not much more than a week ago..wonder where he's
> getting his :)
> Cheers, Ken

    Probably wefax.

...Boyd

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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 782
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/02/93 11:45a
Subj: Routed netmail                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Basically, there isn't any reason you can't route netmail recieved via
> landline via John's system.

Sure there is, if John won't route it to begin with.


Boyd Goodin scripted in a message to Jim Watson:

Lemme jump into the foray here ...

BG>    Ok. Tell me this. WHERE are the replies (coming back)
BG> going to be routed to? Even John told me this is one way.

 ... and see if I confuse things more.

How does a netmail message from one system get routed to another?  Well, it
goes to the originating system's uplink, from there to his uplink, then to that
system's uplink and so on up the chain until it hits a system with a routing
control definition for the destination system.  Then it travels a similiar path
in reverse until it arrives on the destination system.  This may involve 2
systems, or 20 or more; the exact routing is unpredictable and requires each
intermediate system to know where to route netmail -- there are a lot of people
(and personalities!) involved and some aren't too quick on changing things so
it's quite possible for netmail to get deleted or end up batted around in a
routing loop between a few systems.  The key to all this is the destination
address of the message, not the originating address, not the intermediate
routing points, and definately not any AKAs such as 3615/51.  There are no
guarantees routing netmail; nets have better chances than independants as the
NC will end up with the message and is obliged by policy to handle it.

Ok, so where does that leave PlanetConnect subscribers?  I don't know what PC's
plans are, whether they plan catering to more than just the FIDOnet community
or whatever, but in reference to routing netmail (FIDO netmail, that is) there
is no reason Boyd cannot hold netmail for PC subscribers at 3615/50.  (Sending
it across the bird I don't find attractive at all -- that would create some
serious loops: as example anything routed through here not destined for any of
my downlinks gets routed out; I serve as a regional hub in R19.  It'll end up
back on 396/1, where it'll pass along to Boyd, who puts it in the air, back to
me, along to 396/1 ... )  Getting stuff routed into 3615/50 for subscribers is
the catch, however.  Basically what it boils down to is this: John Souveste
needs send any routed netmail that hits his system destined to a PlanetConnect
subscriber, through 3615/50.  This means JS has to be kept current on
subscribers to update his routing (let's not forget he has some major routing
tasks already involving all the nets and independants that get their mail via
his system) and since PlanetConnect is a commercial enterprise the
"FIDO-legality" of routing netmail through it is debatable anyway.  John may
not wish to be involved with the "commercialization" of FIDOnet or whatever. I
do not know if this is his reason nor do I presume to speak for John.

A solution?  Technically it's quite possible IF John can be convinced.  Right
now a one-way routing is possible from 3615/50 to 396/1.  Everyone is welcome
to route their netmail through my system, but I cannot guarantee delivery. (Any
tracking responses might not make it back too as I route anything that isn't
destined for anyone feeding out of here!)  If a subscriber isn't local to a net
that can handle inbound netmail, arrange for a regional feed with the local RC
and set up a polling schedule with him or one of his RHubs -- an RC carries
some clout and can arrange routing.  An alternate idea is to establish a
seperate zone for subscribers who aren't local to a net and use 3615/50 as the
gateway.


   ... Remus ...


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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 783
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/02/93 12:45p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin scripted in a message to Jim Watson:

BG>  Why is this? because the reply would follow the
BG> route back that would put the message on the hub that is in
BG> the network.

Not always true.  Depends on who's doing the routing.  If I receive mail for an
R19 independant who doesn't poll here, I send it directly to RC19.


   ... Remus ...


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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 784
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/02/93 12:50p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin scripted in a message to Dave Osborne:


BG> But it did not work. Look at the GMD's. I think they
BG> were send all over the universe.

GMD responses are netmail.  NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER but NEVER put netmail
on the bird as it will get bounced and routed by everyone who receives it and
routes netmail.

In 3615/50's routing definitions, HOLD a subscriber's mail and ROUTE through
him his downlink's mail so he can collect any netmail when he delivers any
echomail responses.


   ... Remus ...


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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 785
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93 12:10a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> First... Can I join your net?  My net fell apart... we  lost  our
> feed and the sysop of the local hub  went  on  vacation  and  his

   Have to check with my hub on that.

> system hasn't answered the phone in over a week. He is
> discouraged that about 1/3 of his  feeds  have  dropped  out  and
> connected to PC and stopped helping pay the long  distance  phone
> bill. He is a good guy  but  just  isn't  ready  to  accept  this
> technology.

    I am sorry to hear about that.

> Second...  if you put netmail on hold so that  we  picked  it  up
> when we polled you with reply  mail  it  would  not  be  sent  by
> satellite and we should be able to get only  the  mail  intended.

  Well from what every tells me the star system will have to set up each node
that I have to allow returned mail to be routed to me. I am under no obligation
to forward yours or anyones routed netmail.

> "normal" means like I did before I joined PC  and  it  is  simply
> not possible to teach everyone in fido land that crash netmail is
> the only solution to contact me.

   I guess things in fidonet will have to change.


>> can pick it up when we poll you.  I'm sure you are aware  of   the
>> effects it would have on your business if routed netmail did   not
>> work.

I am not aware of any effects not routing netmail would have on us. We did
not state anywhere that we would "route netmail". We just said we would accept
return echomail to be  sent back into landbased fidonet.

> Let me join your net and then do whatever you are doing for your
> "normal" non satellite feeds.   How  do  they  get  their  routed
> netmail?   I  don't  see  it  coming  in  over   the   satellite.

  Dont have any "normal" non satellite feeds. I call my hub once a week to get
anything there for our system. None of my netmail replies are routed. I send
everything direct.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 786
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93 12:15a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> The only thing that you need to figure out is how  to  place  the
> routed netmail from John on hold for the node to pick up when  we

   This is it! I DONT GET any routed mail coming back from john unless he would
have every address of every system that drops off mail to me.


> You probably only have to give  John a  list  of  the  nodes  you
> supply mail to so that he can send their routed net mail to  you.

   I would think that his routing file is big enough as it is.

> If he can't do that then we need to get a new node number so
> that he can.  I'll change node numbers today if it will fix  this
> problem.  I can no longer get my routed netmail  anyway  so  this
> node   number   I    have    now    is    practically    useless.

   This is where changes within the fidonet structure will have to changes to
accept the satellite feed. I dont forsee this happening anytime in the near
furture.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 787
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93 12:18a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG> If I routed a message thru 1:396/1
> ...
> BG> It would not go thru  396/1.

> I  don't   understand   those   two   statements.   They   appear
> contradictory to me.

   Here I route a netmail message to 1:245/89 lets say and I route it through
1:396/1. When 245/89 replies via routed mail, right now, as it stands, I would
have to call 3615/1 to pick up that reply. I cant put it any simpler.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 788
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93 12:19a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Maybe you accidentally found a new way  to  contact  God.  <Grin>

   Working on it!

..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 789
  To: RICK MORRIS                              Date: 12/03/93 12:20a
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I've read a lot about routed netmail recently and would like to make a
> clarification here... routed netmail is supposed to be routed through the
> *C's... even though the *EC's have been nice enough to do it, it's not
> something that a hub has to do if they don't want to...

   Thank you for the clearification.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 790
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/03/93 12:23a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> That's a good answer, Moosehead.  It should work, but I believe your
> first priority should be perfectly smooth echomail and files day in and
> day out. After that, routed netmail should be fairly easy to implement.
> later dude and keep up the good work.

    Thanks for the encouragement hosser. I should of became a doctor. I think
it is less stressfull than this occupation.



...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 791
  To: JERRY RUSSELL                            Date: 12/03/93 12:25a
Subj: Re: ECHO'S                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd !
> How about providing the K-12 Network Echos. Have you talked to them ?
> Sure would like to see the SAT. system deliver more goods ! :)

   Havent talked with them. WGA should be going over any day now. Also a sports
online magazine.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 792
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/03/93 12:28a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Now if John wants to reply, the message gets addressed to 141/1135 and
> will go to the system *he* has set up to forward to, 141/1 for example
> who forwards it to 141/1240 who forwards it to 141/1130 who fowards it to
> me at 141/1135.

   He would have to put every system that calls me in his route statement too ,
wouldn't he?

> I would also suggest that you start using session passwords for all mail
> to prevent someone from dumping both netmail and bogus Echo mail on your
> system. especially since with your setup, you can't run secure.

   We are. Starting Sunday if nobody has a session password they wont be able
to drop anything off.

.....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 793
  To: GARY BERG                                Date: 12/03/93 12:29a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

>> GMD's. I think they were send all over the universe.

> Depends on how the sats antennae are pointed (*)


    Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 794
  To: JEFF WALLACH                             Date: 12/03/93 12:30a
Subj: Re: DRIG package requested              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Would you PLEASE look for our package and send out:

> 1  Ku Band install viedo tape
> 2  Updated software


    It is being sent.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 795
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 12/03/93 12:31a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I guess we'll just have to be patient . . . :-)

   Getting there. Just got to kick them a few more times..........


....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 796
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 12/03/93 12:33a
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> If you're pulling from John, you should be (and are) getting these areas
> already, so it isn't a problem.

   Got that worked out. Seems a lot of systems like to send me there local
areas and we I dont mind reading the R18SYSOP echo but it is just for of
politics and such. I am still getting messages from the BITCH echo and it is
not in either of the FIDONET.N* files!

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 797
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/03/93 12:38a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> for routed netmail.  Although Message Track does a good job, it doesn't
> allow remote control.  But, this CAN all be done.  Honest!  :-)

   I believe you! But John's routing file would be enormous, not to mention how
enormous it is now.

> Don't say it can't be done.  It already is.

I am not saying it cant be done. I have other priorities at the moment. If John
was to add all the nets than fine by me, I will give it another try. But nobody
better start complaining if they happen to get a few messages not address to
thier system ending up in thier netmail area.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 798
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/03/93 12:39a
Subj: Re: Echo's                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> You're forgiven..... just as soon as I get my dish.   :-)

    It was sent out yesterday.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 799
  To: LARRY JAMES                              Date: 12/03/93 12:40a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Say hello to Veger:-)

   Who's Veger?


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 800
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/03/93 12:40a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Is there any chance that the weather stuff could be sent out in
> RIP Script format?  Sure would make it easy to interface for the
> users to view them online.
> Joe

   We are looking into that possibility. YOu could do it on your end.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 801
  To: JERRY SCROGGIN                           Date: 12/03/93 12:42a
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> any clues...dv was disastrous...3 meg survived after 6 hours ..
> out of dv got another 7 meg...


  Do you have a 16550 on that port and did you add the SKYFIFO=True statement
to the INI file?

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 802
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/03/93 12:45a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> If I were there, I would be only to happy to drop by and jave a look see,
> but...  it's a bit far to travle, and I am sure there must be someone
> local that knows how to do this.

   Your concept is correct so John would have to add all nets that we feed so
that anything he gets for this node would be sent to me and I would put it on
hold for him. Since we have some nets and a lot of indevidual nodes receiving
systems he would have to add each node to his routing file. Wonder if he would
do that.


...Boyd

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 803
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 12/01/93 10:29p
Subj: WHATCHA USING?                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >     What are you folks using in Calgary? C or Ku? If Ku, any
 > problems?

Richard, I'm at about the same latitude to you here in Ottawa, and I'm getting
perfect reception.

Regards


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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 804
  To: PCUSENET GUYS                            Date: 12/02/93  8:53p
Subj: map.config                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone know exactly what usenet groups are coming down the satellite I
need to create a proper map.fido file for fredgate, and to Lance, your
batchfiles worked great!!!!! thanx very very much for the help..





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From: NORMAND MARINEAU                       Number: 805
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/30/93  6:38a
Subj: FrancoMedia                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

        Hello Boyd, I bought a Disk Package with one year site feed, I receive
correctly all the files, but I found not the file of Network FrancoMedia and I
bougth that for to have this Network. When I want receive this Network ???

Thanks
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From: RICHARD BASH                           Number: 806
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/02/93  7:45a
Subj: C or Ku?                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  >     Is there a restriction on using COM1 for the receiver? If so,
->  > there workarounds? Thanks.
->
-> Richard. I am running it on com1: over here with no problems. Maybe y
-> problem with your serial port or a conflict with a com3 mouse?
->
-> Just make sure you change all the info for com1 in the config file. T
-> or 5 parameters if I recall correctly.


Thanks (to you and others who responded). Are you running C or Ku? If
Ku, are you using the PC dish and feedhorn or someone else's? Also, if
Ku, any problems?


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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 807
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/02/93 11:45p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Nov 27, Boyd Goodin of 1:3615/50 wrote to Tim Dowell:

Hello Boyd.

 BG>    Thanks. I know that not all areas in the .NO file are carried
 BG> by the star system I call.

I carry all of the NA and NO areas.  I have you connected to all of them.  :-)

Enjoy!

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 808
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/02/93 11:55p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Nov 28, Terry Blount of 1:3625/441 wrote to Floyd Drennon:

 TB>  It  is  quite a  task  to
 TB>  teach everyone that routed netmail is NOT an option available
 TB> to those of us who get their feed via satellite.

It most certainly is - just not via the satellite.  It travels the same route
that it always did.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 809
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/02/93 11:58p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Nov 29, Terry Blount of 1:3625/441 wrote to MARTIN BELCKE:

 TB> Somehow I  have  to  find  the  star  that  is
 TB>  sending it my old route and have them route  it  to  3615/50
 TB> and have PC put it on hold for me.

I don't think that PC and the Zone Hubs are going to set up routing files which
include thousands of individual nodes.  Isn't enough that we route it to your
Net?  You should be able to get it from there.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 810
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93 12:02a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Nov 29, Boyd Goodin of 1:3615/50 wrote to Jim Watson:

> Route Hold 396/1 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All
 BG>
 BG>   Thats what I had except for the MsgTrack and I did not see one
 BG> routed netmail flow back to me from John for one of the systems.

Correct.  I don't route any netmail to you, but you are more than welcome to
route anything you receive through me.  It will then follow the conventional
Backbone echomail channels to its destination.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 811
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/03/93 12:06a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Dec 01, Dave Osborne of 1:123/301.2 wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 DO> Boyd, John simply routes any netmail to 3615/50 for any system
 DO> that's you feed in the same way you route it to him.

Woah!  For Boyd, it takes ONE line in his routing file to route to me.  If I
were to try to route to each person connected to PC (including those they feed)
I'd need thousands of statements and they would probably need to be updated
hourly.  NOT so simple!  :-)

Also, everyone doing routing would have to do likewise, so it would be a
problem for the other Zone Hubs and Region Hubs, too.

 DO  He does it now for other nets via modem, ...

Nets, yes.  Not nodes.  :-)

John
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From: GARY CHAMBERS                          Number: 812
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/01/93  2:22p
Subj: Assumption?                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Is it safe to assume that if this message is received by someone else, that my
net's echomail is being sent properly?  A reply would be nice...

Thank you,
GeeCee/2

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 813
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/01/93  7:56p
Subj: Problem with PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Terry Blount to Craig Clark <=-

 TB> That is not  possible  unless  Ptccmain  changes  its  method  of
 TB> moving the incoming file.  Since  some  systems/hard  drives  are
 TB> very slow when they have to physically move the data it is a  big
 TB> problem to guess how long the delay between files should be.   If
 TB> a slow system is still moving a file when the  next  file  starts
 TB> coming it  would  loose  the  data  from  the  beginning  of  the
 TB> incoming file.

Yes, that makes sense now.  It should be possible however to have
temporary files on each drive letter used in the config file.  For
example, if my system has C:, F: and G: configured as drives with areas
where files are to go, then PTCCMAIN could create three temporary files.

When a file comes in destined for F: the temporary data would be written
to F:, then the FAT updated at the end of transmission of that file. The
same could be done for other drive letters - no data would have to be
physically moved at the end of a transfer.

Perhaps Boyd will mention this idea to the programmer for PTCCMAIN.  It
would save me moving the files around in batch files after PTCCMAIN
terminates.

-=- Craig.


... "Scotty, beam me up another Blue Wave message."
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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 814
  To: DAVE MILLER                              Date: 12/01/93  7:59p
Subj: Problem with PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Dave Miller to Craig Clark <=-

 DM> Yes there is a restriction that all areas must bo on the same drive.
 DM> This is stated in the documentation that came on your initial
 DM> distribution disk.  I too would like to be able to specify different
 DM> drive.  HOW about it BOYD will this feature be possible in a future
 DM> upgrade of the software?

See my last message for an idea of how it might possibly be done.  In
regards to the docs, I'm one of those unusual people that actually RTM.
I printed out the sparse documentation that came on the disk, but don't
recall seeing anything about that restriction.  I fought it for several
hours before I gave up and put everything on one drive.  I'll have to
look for it again just out of curiousity.

-=- Craig.


... Catch the Blue Wave!
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From: KEITH SIPPY                            Number: 815
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/02/93 10:43a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 DO> On the other side.  If someone sends something to me,
 DO> it's routed via their links to John.  John has a
 DO> routing statement that routes 123 to 3615/50.  You get
 DO> it, put it on hold and I pick it up.  It works!
 DO> Honest!  :-)  Pain in the ass to maintain, but it does work.

What about the other two stars?  They'd have to change their routing too.  And
then many nets probably too.  When new people come online with PC it'd have to
change each time.  And then everyone on PC needs to make a list of who they
feed so everyone knows.  I see it as a large production to get set up correctly
for everyone and not have things go into black holes.

Keith


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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 816
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 12/01/93  9:27p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dan!

Monday November 29 1993, Dan Williamson writes to Jeff Ward:

> Jeff Ward wrote in a message to Dan Williamson:

JW>> What about the .BAG files, does it hanlde them as well?
JW>> SOunds like a nifty little program. Do you have it fro Freq?
JW>> Later!

> Handles them fine. See my note in PCSITES. Available as FRED19Q.ARJ here or
> from a site closer to you (maybe).

 Thanks for the reply. I'll look into it...

Jeff

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 817
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/01/93  9:28p
Subj: Internet TimeTable                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

Tuesday November 30 1993, Todd Lyons writes to Jeff Ward:
> I've not heard any dates that it WILL begin, but I've heard that it will
> NOT be in full force until after New Year's.  Don't know if that info is
> still current or if it has been adjusted up or down.  Rely on Boyd for
> definite answers to those.

 Thanks for the reply. I'll be looking for the start date...

Jeff

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 818
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 12/01/93  9:29p
Subj: Gmd messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mike!

Monday November 29 1993, Mike Labbe writes to Jeff Ward:
> Looks like the GMD messages are a thing of the past. None today!!

 Yep, same here. I did get a single grunged netmail message, but nothing else
so far!

> PC1128.ZIP also works like a charm... I'm very pleased with the performance
> of the unit.  I only wish the mail would come earlier in the AM and could
> be automated in some way (or maybe one could be transmitted at 11pm, which
> would arrive about 3am and be processed for the morning readers...

 I myself really don't have a problem with the system. Most of the nodes
polling my system poll in the early morning hours. Since they were already
accustomed to all their mail being on hold status at the hub, they are happy
with the service they are getting. I have actually had one or two of them
remark as to how fast the turn around was in some echos! So, with the mail run
starting about 7:30am, I usually can have the bulk of the mail out bundled and
ready to go by lunch. So far so good!

Later!
Jeff

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 819
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 12/02/93  7:36p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Ed Marquis to Jim Dunmyer <=-

 EM> Don't feel bad.  I've run out of drive letters myself.  Had to remap
 EM> A: and B: to get two more CD's online.  I run one Pioneer drive and a
 EM> bunch of single drives.  I heard that there was some software that
 EM> would make the Pioneer drives appear as one drive letter with the
 EM> different CD's as subdirectories under it but don't know where to get
 EM> it or what it's called.  I sure would love to see someone write a
 EM> driver that would do this.  You could have 6 times more CD's online if
 EM> you used all Pioneer 604x drives.

If you run Lantastic you can remap all of the server's logical drives to
one drive letter on a workstation.  From that one drive letter each of
the server's drives appears as a different subdirectory.  Using this
method and multiple servers you could have around 676 CD-ROM's online at
one time.  I know of some sysops using this method to get more than a
100 CD-ROM's online simultaneously.

With Lantastic try this:

NET USE D: \\SERVER1

This is assuming you are not already using drive D:; use a different
letter if you are.  Note that there is no resource specified after the
server name as there usually is.  When you change to drive D: after
doing this mapping, you will see what looks like the control directory
(\LANTASTI.NET), except that inside each subdirectory you will have an
entire disk (HD, CD-ROM, WORM, whatever).

Try it - it may surprise you.  It may also be quite usefull to you.

-=- Craig.


... Blue Wave - World Tour - 1993
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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 820
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/01/93  7:23p
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  MARTIN   BELCKE   wrote   in  a   message   to   TERRY    BLOUNT:
->
-> MB>  Routed  netmail  for  commercial  purposes  is   contrary    to
-> MB> fidonet.  Fidonet is a NON-commerical enterprise.
->
->  Give me a break...  You must not have  noticed  that  there  is a
->  commercial conference  (CforSale)  or  you  have  overlooked  the
->  reality that the "for sale" conferences make up about 25% of  the
->  volume of mail we transfer.  I  did  not  say  that I  was  using
->  Fidonet for a commercial enterprise... that was your  assumption.

An assumption based on your wording.... "missed some business
opportunities".

->  I may have been trying to sell off old equipment left  over  from
->  a recent upgrade.  If you have never upgraded and sold  off  your

If that were the case, it wouldn't be business opportunities.
"Business" implies the operating of a business, which is covered in
Policy 4 to wit:
1.3.6  Commercial Use

FidoNet is an amateur network.  Participants spend their own time and
money to make it work for the good of all the users. It is not
appropriate for commercial enterprise to take advantage of these
volunteer efforts to further their own business interests. On the other
hand, FidoNet provides a convenient and effective means for companies
and users to exchange information, to the mutual benefit of all.

Network Coordinators could be forced to subsidize commercial operations
forwarding host-routed netmail, and could even find themselves involved
in a lawsuit if any guarantee was suggested for mail delivery.   It is
therefor FidoNet policy is that commercial mail is not to be routed.
"Commercial mail includes mail which furthers specific business
interests without being of benefit to the net as a whole. Examples
include company-internal mail, inter-corporate mail, specific product
inquiries (price quotes, for instance), orders and their follow-ups,
and all other subjects specifical related to business.

<End of quote>

Now if you were simply trying to sell of some old equipment that you
personally own, then that is not conducting "business".  However, from
the wording you used, you implied differently.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 821
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/02/93  3:37p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Boyd, John simply routes any netmail to 3615/50 for any system that's
-> in the same way you route it to him.  He does it now for other nets v
-> there is little difference between feeding you and feeding an REC.


BIG DIFFERENCE!!  The difference being this.  In the routing statements,
routing to an entire net is a single line entry.  Routing to specific
nodes in a net requires an entry for each node.  In a net of 50 nodes,
assuming 25 nodes are feed by a PC site, and 25 nodes are not, It would
require a 50 line routing statement for both John and Boyd.

Since in many cases, not all nodes in a particular net are connected
through PC, it creates a problem with routed netmail.  PC is NOT the
same as an REC.

In our Region (Region 11) there are over 1,000 nodes.  Some connect
through PC, some do not.  Keeping track of which do and don't would be a
nightmare, not to mention the routing statements that would need to be
changed each time a new node is added/deleted from the nodelist.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 822
  To: LARRY JAMES                              Date: 12/02/93  3:44p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Route to 123/301 for 123/all
-> Route to 133/16 for 133/all
-> .
-> .
-> .
-> Route to UPLINK for DOWNLINK_ONLY
-> Route to 369/1 for OTHERS
->
-> OTHERS = those nets you have no links to.

What about individual nodes that are connected to PC......what about
nets that have a portion of the nodes being feed by a PC site, others
being feed by land-line connections.....what about nets that have
several PC sites.....what about.....what about.....ad nauseum.......

The routing is simply to complicated to be handled in a manner that is
feasible.  An old adage in Fidonet is this:

If it's important, send it direct, if it isn't route it.

Routed netmail requires the consent of ALL nodes in the routing chain.
If one doesn't consent, the routing fails.

--Martin--

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 823
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 12/02/93  6:44p
Subj: NEW BBS IN TOWN...                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > 3. Is there a way to not have the hard drive continually being used
 > during the satellite software?

John,
 I've seen this question asked before, and here's my feelings: The HD has to
write each block of data as it arrives, BUT: the head doesn't ususally move,
it's already over the proper track. This is assuming that the drive is doing
nothing else, of course.

However, it would be nice to have an environment variable of SKYTEMP that would
point to the place to store the temporary file as it's written so you could
then copy it to the HD. That could potentially cause as many or more problems
than it'd solve, of course.....

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 824
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/01/93  3:06p
Subj: PROBLEM WITH PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry,

-> Yes. In order for Ptccmain to move the file fast enough  to  pick up
-> the next incoming file it uses a process that simply  rewrites the
-> file allocation table.  This process  does  not  work  across drives
-> since one drive may be on a different hard disk  or a  ram drive
-> altogether.

I'm running PTCCMAIN perfect as a user under a Novell system which
doesn't have a File Allocation Table available to the logged in user.
Saved my bacon many times running ill-behaved or delinquent programs.

Just wondering how your proposed file move works. <grin>

Regards,
Hans
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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 825
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93  3:41a
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  MARTIN   BELCKE   wrote   in  a   message   to   TERRY    BLOUNT:
->
-> MB>  Routed  netmail  for  commercial  purposes  is   contrary    to
-> MB> fidonet.  Fidonet is a NON-commerical enterprise.
->
->  Give me a break...  You must not have  noticed  that  there  is a
->  commercial conference  (CforSale)

     He said routed *NETMAIL* not echo mail.


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 826
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 12/03/93  3:50a
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  > And, I'm adding a 4th Pioneer CD-ROM changer RSN. That'll require
->  > a bunch of changes in configuration files, just to get enough
->  > drive letters. I think I can make B: a network drive under
->  > Lantastic....
->
-> Don't feel bad.  I've run out of drive letters myself.  Had to remap
-> to get two more CD's online.  I run one Pioneer drive and a bunch of
-> drives.  I heard that there was some software that would make the Pio
-> drives appear as one drive letter with the different CD's as subdirec
-> under it but don't know where to get it or what it's called.

   I just saw a post today about an unknown command you use in your
   startnet.bat that allows you to use each server as a drive letter
   and each drive as a sub dir. Would that help ya?


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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 827
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/03/93  9:12a
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  >  I no longer have a "regular" place.  PC  is  my  "regular"  place
 >     Terry, don't you maintain any type of local or regional connect for
 > the
 > purpose of picking up local/regional echoes or routed netmail?

Patty, I think he was complaining earlier that his NC just went down.  Who
knows, maybe he'll be the next NC?

Take care!                                                      Todd

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From: FRANK SCHEEL                           Number: 828
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/30/93  9:44p
Subj: Re: Things...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount wrote in a message to Frank Scheel:

FS> I have been  running  hyperdisk  with  the  16550  with  delayed
FS> write on and  have  not  noticed  any  particular  problems.  It
FS> does stop the write to the hard drive every second.

TB>  Would you post those hyperdisk parameters you  are  using?
TB>  I'll  check the docs in the meantime.

Device=E:\QEMM\LOADHI.SYS /R:2 C:\HYPERDKX.EXE c:1024 s t:2 m:3 Later,
         <_Frank_>

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 829
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 12/02/93  9:21p
Subj: New node getting this ech               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Don't feel bad.  I've run out of drive letters myself.  Had to remap A: and
-> B: to get two more CD's online.  I run one Pioneer drive and a bunch of
-> single drives.  I heard that there was some software that would make the
-> Pioneer drives appear as one drive letter with the different CD's as
-> subdirectories under it but don't know where to get it or what it's called.
-> I sure would love to see someone write a driver that would do this.  You
-> could have 6 times more CD's online if you used all Pioneer 604x drives.  I
-> could just map drives on the fly in batch files but I want all CD's
-> searchable and accessible at once.

Sign me up too! <G>  have two DRM-600's here with Novell and am out of letters.
Using Map Assist, which has a 10 drive limit.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 830
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 12/02/93  8:01p
Subj: New BBS in town...                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JOHN LUNDELL wrote in a message to All:


JL> 3. Is there a  way  to  not  have  the  hard  drive  continually
JL> being used during the satellite software?

 I  hear a  disk  cache  helps  but I  haven't  got  mine  set  up
 correctly yet.

JL>  thinking...  a  ramdrive  would  be  nice  for  the   temporary
JL> file.. but you can't set that can you?

 No.  The method of moving the inbound file  from  the  temp  file
 rewrites the file allocation table and does not  physically  move
 the data.

JL> 4. Why does FIDOnet have  so  many  people  addressing  messages
JL> to SYSOP?

 They want your attention :)

JL> I get all these messages each day flagged as
JL> waiting for me only to find that they  are  from  some  user  to
JL> their sysop  on  some  other  BBS..  RIMEnet  and  others  don't
JL> tollerate that...

 Use your real name on your bbs.

JL> 5. Way up  here  I  am  getting  snow  and  ice  buildup  on  my
JL> dish.. it doesn't appear  to  affect  the  signal  much,  but  I
JL> can  see  during  a  bad  storm  the  thing  getting  heavy  and
JL> moving offline.. can one get something to  take  care  of  that?

 Yes... your wife get the broom and go out and sweep it off. <grin>


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 831
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93 10:58a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

BG> I am not aware of any effects not routing netmail would have
BG> on us. We did  not state anywhere that we would "route
BG> netmail". We just said we would accept return echomail to be
BG>  sent back into landbased fidonet.

That wasn't what I was talking about.  I'm sure you have gotten many netmail
messages asking questions and placing orders for a sat modem or to subscribe to
PC.  I would guess that a large number of those messages came to you via routed
netmail.  Had you not gotten them your business would not have grown as fast.

BG>  I call my hub
BG> once a week to get anything there for our system. None of my
BG> netmail replies are routed. I send everything direct.

Me too.  But I am sure you _PICK UP_ some routed net mail
messages that are were routed to you.   That is what I wanted to be able do.


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 832
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93 11:05a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Boyd   Goodin   wrote   in  a   message    to    Terry    Blount:

BG>    This is it! I DONT GET  any  routed  mail  coming  back  from
BG> john unless he would have every address  of  every  system  that
BG> drops off mail to me.

 My point is that he is already sending it  _somewhere_.  If  that
 somewhere is to you and you put it on hold that should solve  the problem.

BG>    This is where  changes  within  the  fidonet  structure  will
BG> have to changes to accept the  satellite  feed.  I  dont  forsee
BG> this happening anytime in the near furture.

 Sorry to hear that.  But I understand because I have  experienced
 the lack  of  support  in a  similar  manner  in  my  local  net.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 833
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/03/93 11:11a
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 John   Souvestre   wrote   in  a   message   to   Terry   Blount:

 TB>  It  is  quite a  task  to
 TB>  teach everyone that routed netmail is NOT an option available
 TB>  to  those  of  us  who  get  their   feed   via   satellite.

JS> It most  certainly  is  -  just  not  via  the  satellite.    It
JS> travels the same route that it always did.

 The problem is that the entire  fidonet  "system"  is  always  in
 flux.  One day a bunch of new  nodes  join  and  the  same  day a
 bunch fall off.  So we have weekly node  updates  to  manage  the
 changes.  When there are no changes in key  positions  everything
 works smoothly but when nodes  that  distribute  mail  decide  to
 shut down everyone below them has to go  on a  "hunting"  mission
 to get a new feed.  If routed netmail was on hold  (to  pick  up)
 at the _same_ system (node) we call to _RETURN_  our  reply  mail
 the confusion and maintenance would be less  and the  reliability
 would be improved.

 Ps.  Don't route a netmail  reply... I  probably  won't  get  it.
 <grin>

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 834
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/03/93 11:19a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Souvestre wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

JS> I don't think that PC and the Zone Hubs are going to set up
JS> routing files which include thousands of individual nodes.
JS> Isn't enough that we route it to your Net?  You should be
JS> able to get it from there.

Humm..... do I smell an opportunity for business?  <grin>

I would pay to get it from the same place I leave off my mail.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 835
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 12/03/93 11:22a
Subj: Problem with PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Craig Clark wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

CC> Yes, that makes sense now.  It should be possible however to
CC> have temporary files on each drive letter used in the config
CC> file.  For example, if my system has C:, F: and G:
CC> configured as drives with areas where files are to go, then
CC> PTCCMAIN could create three temporary files.

CC> When a file comes in destined for F: the temporary data
CC> would be written to F:, then the FAT updated at the end of
CC> transmission of that file. The same could be done for other
CC> drive letters - no data would have to be physically moved at
CC> the end of a transfer.

CC> Perhaps Boyd will mention this idea to the programmer for
CC> PTCCMAIN.  It would save me moving the files around in batch
CC> files after PTCCMAIN terminates.

This is an excellent idea especially if the mail bundles
(0000FFFF.?) could have their own separate directory by
themselves.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 836
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 12/03/93 11:26a
Subj: PROBLEM WITH PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

HANS HOOGSTRAAT wrote in a message to TERRY BLOUNT:

HH> Just wondering how your proposed file move works. <grin>

In Pascal you can simply move a file without moving the data like this:
        {$i-}
    Rename( TheFile,  'C:\NewDir\NewName.xyz' );
        {$i+}
    If Ioresult = 17 Then Manually_copy_the_data... because you
    were not currently on the same drive.


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 837
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 12/03/93  9:41p
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 MARTIN   BELCKE   wrote   in  a   message   to   TERRY    BLOUNT:

MB> Now if you were simply trying to  sell  of  some  old  equipment
MB>  that  you  personally  own,  then  that  is   not    conducting
MB> "business".

 This conference is used for "conducting business" as well as  the
 support conference for Us Robotics,  WordPerfect,  Desqview,  and
 Windows has  at  least  four  (4)  conferences  with a  _TON_  of
 messages!  NOT to mention at least 20  conferences  that  promote
 commercial BBS programs  ...you mean to  tell  me  that  you  are
 willing to carry all that echo  mail  containing  promotions  and
 update info, pricing, customer support, etc...  but  if a  routed
 netmail message needs to pass through your system  you  would  be
 _disturb_ if it contained info that would make a customer  happy?
 I would certainly be happy to allow your routed netmail  to  pass
 through my system _ESPECIALLY_ if I thought it would benefit  you
 emotionally, spiritually _OR_ financially.

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From: BARRY CASSETTY                         Number: 838
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/29/93  7:39a
Subj: gmd netmail                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> As of the last few weeks, every nite we receive GMD Netmail and it looks
 >> like the same messages too. If you have a moment, can you check into
 >> this ?

 >    Problem has been found and is being taken care off.

 > ...Boyd

Thanks........We didn't get any today..11/29

...Barry

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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 839
  To: GARY CHAMBERS                            Date: 12/03/93  8:44p
Subj: Assumption?                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Gary!

GC> Is it safe to assume that if this message is received by someone else, th
GC> net's echomail is being sent properly?  A reply would be nice...

Here's typing to you from Mobile, AL....!  :)

                                              ...Di

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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 840
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93  8:48p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Terry!

> The only thing that you need to figure out is how  to  place  the

Why not just route it through Richard Wallen, our local NC?  I have
had good success doing it that way...Just a thought...

                                         ...Di

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 841
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93  4:34p
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    One nice solution would be to have 10 systems, 6 in US and 4
 > in Canada, that each had a region and everone in each reagina
 > would drop of mail to these systems instead of call directly to
 > us. In turn we supply a number for the 10 systems to drop off
 > mail to us. We would not have a problem with routing then as I
 > would only have 10 systems to set up and routing would be handle
 > from each system to mine then routed to what every of the 10
 > systems that net is in. Oh well, I can dream though can't I?

Not a bad idea for you to have 10 HUBs throughout the country for people to
call into.  They could also be a bank for mail and files for those who needed
to file-request what they missed.  These 10 could also be a perfect backup in
case anything were to happen to the satellite uplink itself.  If these 10 sites
had ISDN in place, they could come in via the backdoor with ISDN and not worry
about busy signals on the other lines. (this would be extremely important in
the case of a system failure).  I know of 3 other sites besides mine that have
ISDN and have large enough systems to serve as backup and also have the
expertise to act as a HUB.

 >    Please dont give me all the credit. Joe Overhold founded this
 > and I came to work for him a year ago today. I mainly worked on
 > the Skylink project and now take care of the technical aspects
 > of Planet Connect. Which of course include taking care of the
 > computers and stuff at the uplink. Joe is the one with the
 > ideas, I just keep everything running a smooth as I can.

That's Overholt..........<g>   Good thing Joe has a sense of humor.

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 842
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 12/03/93  5:01p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PCUTIL is a great program and does a good job of what it was written to do.
Would it be possible to configure it to stop tossing mail bundles during a
PCUTIL NEXT4 command if it comes to a bundle that is missing?  I'd rather wait
till that bundle shows up than to toss my mail out of sequence.  If you'd like
a beta tester to try this out, I'd be glad to volunteer.   Thanks.

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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 843
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 12/03/93  9:26a
Subj: C or Ku?                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Thanks (to you and others who responded). Are you running C or Ku? If
 > Ku, are you using the PC dish and feedhorn or someone else's? Also, if
 > Ku, any problems?



I am using C band so I can't help you there. I was able to pick up a used one
for a pretty good price. Has the motor and even a video. This way when the wind
mannages to nudge the dish I can bring her back in line.

TTYL
      Laz

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From: RIC WALSH                              Number: 844
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 12/03/93  6:56p
Subj: Qfront                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mike!

Wednesday December 01 1993 23:00, Mike Labbe wrote to All:

 ML> Is anyone out there using QFRONT as a front end processor with the
 ML> satellite? We're considering a switch from D'Bridge (which takes *6* hours
 ML> per day on a 486).

I'm using FMAIL and it takes about an hour (I'm feeding about 15 nodes). Most
of the time is to zip up the out going packets. I'm only running a 386SX with
4mg memory on a peer to peer network.

I still use DB to answer the phone and to send the packets but it was TOOOO
slow to toss that much mail.

Ric

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 845
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/03/93  9:43p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  DO  He does it now for other nets via modem, ...
 >
 > Nets, yes.  Not nodes.  :-)

If you would route for one net, you'd have to route for them all.  As it
stands now, each net should have a regional feed, but I can understand his
want to eliminate one of his long distance polls.

And on that note, would it still be extensive modifications to your route
configs if you agreed to route whole nets' netmail?  I don't run the
complicated software that you do so it will probably be something more
complex than the simple stuff we encounter daily.

BTW, I pick up net 3807's mail from 1:147/7 (in case you have any messages
that have been getting stranded and deleted).  I got a call in to John now
'cause I'm curious why the R19COORD echo hasn't had a message in it for about
2 months.

See ya                                                           Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 846
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/03/93  9:53p
Subj: map.config                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Does anyone know exactly what usenet groups are coming down the
 > satellite I need to create a proper map.fido file for fredgate, and to

alt.bbs
alt.internet
alt.bbs.ads
alt.bbs.allsysop
alt.bbs.doors
alt.bbs.internet
alt.bbs.lists
alt.bbs.metal
alt.bbs.pcboard
alt.bbs.pcbuucp
alt.bbs.unixbbs
alt.bbs.uupcb
alt.internet
alt.internet.services
comp
comp.bbs
comp.bbs.misc
comp.bbs.waffle
comp.org
comp.org.fidonet

This is what has come over so far.  The usenet bundles have stopped for now
though.  I haven't seen anything since last Sunday.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: DAVE MILLER                            Number: 847
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 12/03/93 10:38p
Subj: Problem with PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 CC> See my last message for an idea of how it might possibly be done.  In
 CC> regards to the docs, I'm one of those unusual people that actually RTM.
 CC> I printed out the sparse documentation that came on the disk, but don't
 CC> recall seeing anything about that restriction.  I fought it for several
 CC> hours before I gave up and put everything on one drive.  I'll have to
 CC> look for it again just out of curiousity.

 CC> -=- Craig.

It is there as a comment at the begining of the ACONFIG.SKY file.

     -=- Dave.


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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 848
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 12/04/93 12:00a
Subj: NEW BBS IN TOWN...                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to John Lundell, Jim Dunmyer said:

 > > 3. Is there a way to not have the hard drive continually being used
 > > during the satellite software?

 > John,
 >  I've seen this question asked before, and here's my
 > feelings: The HD has to write each block of data as it
 > arrives, BUT: the head doesn't ususally move, it's already
 > over the proper track. This is assuming that the drive is
 > doing nothing else, of course.
 >
 > However, it would be nice to have an environment variable of
 > SKYTEMP that would point to the place to store the temporary
 > file as it's written so you could then copy it to the HD.
 > That could potentially cause as many or more problems than
 > it'd solve, of course.....

Yep, totaly agree here...
I have however been able to slow the writes down a touch by using an 8k fossil
and a write cashe.  It now only writes to the drive about every 8-15 blocks,
with no data loss or bad results on the 286-16 that I use for PC only.

John

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 849
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/04/93  2:12a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/03/93> Boyd Goodin wrote:

BG> > Is there any chance that the weather stuff could be sent out in
BG> > RIP Script format?  Sure would make it easy to interface for the
BG> > users to view them online.
BG> > Joe
BG>
BG>    We are looking into that possibility. YOu could do it on your end.
BG>
BG>
BG> ...Boyd
I have tried and my efforts are failures.  Any suggestions on a
program name to convert them.

Joe

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 850
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/02/93  5:54p
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Boyd, have a quick question and observation for you re: TVAGENT.

    Finally decided to take a look at the tv listings to see what they
included, looked like, etc..  only to find that TVAGENT has to be run on the
machine that has the dongle and actually runs Ptccmain.  Further, the listings
themselves are encrypted and can't be listed or viewed with anything but
TVAGENT.

    With no offense to you or PC intended, what kind of a moron is going to
interrupt his/her satellite transmissions to view a tv listing?  I understand
that you don't wish TVAGENT or the listings themselves to be distributed or
used by other than the PC subscribers, but what of us who have multiple
machines operating across a network?  Or what of those folks who run PC as an
event from their BBS on a single machine?

    I think such an action not only limits the usefulness of the listings but
somewhat nullifies your reasons for including it.  Could you perhaps
reconsider and find some other way of protecting your interests with regards
to TVAGENT?


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 851
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 12/03/93  8:19a
Subj: RE: THINGS...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > by next week, and then I'll really be getting some large volumes of
 > mail and this concerns me even more about the old hard drive.

Don't worry about it, Glenn. I've been handling mail here since 1988, starting
with CONFMAIL, later using Qmail. The HD thrashes for a couple of hours at a
time, and I've yet to actually wear one out, usually outgrow it first. Same
thing with my BBS; with all 7 lines going, the HD light looks like it's being
defragged, not just servicing the lines. And, I've never worn out a drive
there, either. If your drive goes belly-up while processsing all that mail, it
just means that it was time anyway, and with drives now below a buck/meg, it
shouldn't kill you to replace it. Especially if it's truly "old" as you
indicate above.

Heck, I took an ST-4096 off the BBS after a year or so, processed mail on it
for about 3 or 4 years, then sold it to a guy who is STILL using it.

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 852
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 12/01/93 11:34p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

Sunday November 28 1993, John Burton writes to George Peace:

 >> The secret weapon is copymail. CPML-122.ZIP.  We point tick at an
 >> offline outbound area, toss files, and then turn copymail loose on
 >> it to merge the offline stuff into the live online area.

Thanks for the Tip, George, works great for me in a special purpose......
but don't think it would work for my normal configuration.

 JB> Are you running stuff in your TIC.CFG PASSTHRU??  How do you keep TICK
 JB> from killing your passthru stuff???

Once I twigged to this little hummer...

I set up a second, dummy, Tick.CFG pointing to my real outbound and this is the
one that does the PassThru deleting...

Appears to be working here.  then again, I am only using this to hatch SatMail
to the other Net Hubs, so TICK never really runs on the HATCH Tic.CFG file.

Now, on a normal system where Tic is processing incoming file to downlinks,
what is it that stops Tic from first looking at the CaopyMail outbound and,
seeing no FLO files with pending Passthru files (since thery were all moved to
the regular outbound last time) from then deleting all the PT and passthru
files which are really still pending in FLO files in the real outbound?

Cheers, Ervin

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 853
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/01/93 11:07p
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Monday November 29 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Jim Watson:

 >> <toss inbound mail, do not pack>
 >> <MsgTrack>
 >> Send xxxx 3615/50
 >> Route Hold 396/1 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All

 BG>   Thats what I had except for the MsgTrack and I did not see one routed
 BG> netmail flow back to me from John for one of the systems. Why is this?
 BG> because the reply would follow the route back that would put the message
 BG> on the hub that is in the network.

'Zactly, correct, it would flow back to the local Net via Landlines.

 BG> If I routed a message thru 1:396/1 I
 BG> would have to call 1:3615/1 to get my reply.

Yes, just as I, in Net153 would get the reply back via 153/752 who polls 396/1
for netmail.

 BG> It would not go thru 396/1.

I believe it woud/should...

Lets Track it.

I send a netmail msg to 140/1 and route it via 3615/50

it would go to 3615/50 and would get caught in the

         Route Hold 396/1 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All

on that system, and would get sent via 396/1

396/1 would then bundle it up and send it to whomever the closest system is
that polls him and has a connection with Net 140.

The  node in Net 140, would then get the msg from the local node who made the
connection with John, or whomever was in the middle...

This would look as follows

153/767 -> 3615/50 -> 396/1 -> 140/0 -> 140/1

Not overly efficient, but It really should work...

 BG> If I was in the 396 net then I would receive the reply thru 396/1 system.

Yes, and you being in Net 3615 would receive the reply via your local Hub, but
it would have been passed on via 396/1

 BG> Maybe George can explain this a little better than me. But if I am wrong
 BG> then I will try again.

I can be quite complicated, and if not implemented properly, it is a nightmare.

If I were there, I would be only to happy to drop by and jave a look see,
but...  it's a bit far to travle, and I am sure there must be someone local
that knows how to do this.

Cheers, Ervin

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 854
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/01/93 11:16p
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Patty!

Saturday November 20 1993, Patty Pickett writes to David Blum:

 >> sending messages back to Boyd about the grunged messages.  As I'm sure

 PP>     Try looking for a Packet Exclude parameter in the GMD config, David,
 PP> and entering Boyd's address(es) there.  I don't run GMD here myself, but
 PP> my fiance does.

This only works in  a partial manner, as any msg requiring a deletion will
still generate a rsponse msg.

What you need is KillerDOG and run this after Tossing and before packing
netmail.

KillerDOG -d 3615/50 -m Grunged_Message

This will kill a netmsg to 3615/50 if the words Grunged Message appear in the
subject line.

KILLERDOG.ZIP    17,348  available for fREQ from  153/767   HST 14.4
                                                  153/797   DS 14.4
                                                  153/798   2400
Cheers, Ervin

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 855
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/01/93 11:28p
Subj: TICK PROCESSING SECRETS                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dennis!

Tuesday November 30 1993, Dennis Powers writes to John Burton:

 JB>> to move the .?LO file, you'll see that TICK will then delete the
 JB>> passthru file, leaving the .TIC only...

 DP> I run 30+ file echos and 15 passthru echos without a problem.  There are
 DP> two verbs in Tick that specify where the control files go.

 DP> IN i:\inbound\
 DP> ZONE 1 i:\outbound\          <===== this is the outbound copymail sees
 DP> ZONE 8 i:\outbound.008\      <===== the actual outbounds are on drive J
 DP> NET 141
 DP> NODE 1135
 DP> TZ EST5EDT
 DP> REPLACE
 DP> STOPDUP i:\mail\TICK\dups\
 DP> FLEA
 DP> hold j:\netmail\tickhold\    <===== This is where Tick writes the *.Tic &

But, how do you prevent tick, when run again in a few minutes from seeing the
.PT files in the tick hold dir, then looking in I:\Outbound\, and seeing no FLO
files with and pending file tsfsrs from deleting the PT's and the Passthru
Files.  It will simply assume that everyone has already picked them up, since
there are no FLO files remaining.

The ONLY way I could get it to work (and it is unique as Hatch runs on one
Tic.CFG while Tick runs against another)  was to create two TIC cfgs, one for
Hatch, the other for Tick (pointing to the real outbound so it would see the
still pending FLO files thus not celete the passthru files.

Cheers, Ervin

... A lie in time saves nine.

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From: KYLE HEARN                             Number: 856
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/01/93  9:06p
Subj: 'dish' mail                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I run a message only BBS in Ft. Worth, Texas and hear quite a bit about the
sat. system for recieving mail. I have built a rather large unix server,
netware server and have ethernet,tcp/ip, nfs, nis, atp, etc. I built the unix
server for the purpose of purchasing pagesat for getting usenet piped into my
network. It is my understanding that this type of system is available for
fidonet. I would appreciated more information about this service, how much it
costs, what is required to hook it up, etc. I am basically wanting something to
dump mail on my bbs 24 hours a day and keep keep everything on fidonet coming
in here. I would also like to know how messages would get out from here back
into the net. I would like to do something with fidonet before I do something
with usenet as I understand the usenet system really tears the hard drive up.

About pagesat, is anyone in this echo running it? I am wanting to purchase this
system in the very near future also.

If there is an info pack I can freq from someone about either of these
services, please let me know.

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From: KYLE HEARN                             Number: 857
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/01/93  9:16p
Subj: PC Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mickey Ferguson stated these words of wisdom to Bill Wolf:


MF> Bill,

MF> I've been running it under DV since mid Oct. with EXCELLENT
MF> results. This on a little 386DX-40 with 5meg of RAM.

MF> The latest release of the software is (for me) as stable &
MF> error free under DV as it is under plain old DOS.

MF> The use of 16550's is IMPERATIVE as is a FAST hard drive.

How big of a drive do you need/recommend for this?

                               Kyle

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 858
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/02/93  9:54a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Patty Pickett wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

PP>     Terry, don't you maintain any type of local or regional
PP> connect for the purpose of picking up local/regional echoes
PP> or routed netmail?

Not since it has gone down.

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 859
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/01/93 11:00p
Subj: Qfront                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Is anyone out there using QFRONT as a front end processor with the satellite?
We're considering a switch from D'Bridge (which takes *6* hours per day on a
486).

Mike

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 860
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 12/02/93 11:24p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I thought you were calling John.  When I was hooked into Steve Cross,
> everything that was in Fidonet.No was available from him and he got his
> feed from John.  You might want to check on that.


    Yep I diod and I have everything in both areas. Sorry about that. Now if I
could only get people to stop sending local areas to me I think I would be able
to work on getting this routed netmail thing done, finalize the Usenet stuff,
work on other networks, look into a europe feed, and also find time for a life.
;-)

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 861
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 12/02/93 11:42p
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd, like others, I would like to see a true solution to this
> issue of routed netmail rather than simply not dealing with it. We are
> extremely pleased with your concept (actually bought and installed the

   One nice solution would be to have 10 systems, 6 in US and 4 in Canada, that
each had a region and everone in each reagina would drop of mail to these
systems instead of call directly to us. In turn we supply a number for the 10
systems to drop off mail to us. We would not have a problem with routing then
as I would only have 10 systems to set up and routing would be handle from each
system to mine then routed to what every of the 10 systems that net is in. Oh
well, I can dream though can't I?

> On another, more upbeat note, can you please tell us something
> about yourself, how this all started, etc. One of our group asked and
> we said we did not know but that I would make inquiries. A little

   Nope, I like keeping things a mystery. All I can say is that I am 33 years
old, single, and my hair is turning white from this job! ;-)

> history might be of interst to the other folks as well. What does
> management at the shop-at-home channel you are working for think of all
> of this? When did you first get the idea? You are obviously an

  Could not tell you about what they think. We are two different companies
founded by the same person. Joe Overhold works more of a consultant to S.A.H.
nowadays. Shop At Home just uplinks our signal. I dont work for them. They
could not afford me!

> innovative guy and may wish to record this historical event.

   Please dont give me all the credit. Joe Overhold founded this and I came to
work for him a year ago today. I mainly worked on the Skylink project and now
take care of the technical aspects of Planet Connect. Which of course include
taking care of the computers and stuff at the uplink. Joe is the one with the
ideas, I just keep everything running a smooth as I can.

> Best of success and please do not give up on the concept of routed
> netmail. It may very well be a headache but it is important enough to
> merit further review.

   I am not giving it up! Giving up is not in my vocabulary! JUst going to take
a while thats all. Who knows, maybe someday this 10 system idea will be in
operation.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 862
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/02/93 11:45p
Subj: Re: Dupes                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Okay, thanks Boyd!

    Your welcome. By the way. Someone is dropping of a local echo and while
going thru my badecho area I noticed a few people talking about a wedding. Nice
half drawing of a wedding gown in one of them. You would not be tying the knot
by any chance?

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 863
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 12/02/93 11:46p
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> well whatever rate, if it doesnt include Canada, they're rather USEless
> <grin>
> and to think one of my bbs's callers uploaded me a weather pic of the
> northern hemisphere not much more than a week ago..wonder where he's
> getting his :)
> Cheers, Ken

    Probably wefax.

...Boyd

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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 864
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/02/93 11:45a
Subj: Routed netmail                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Basically, there isn't any reason you can't route netmail recieved via
> landline via John's system.

Sure there is, if John won't route it to begin with.


Boyd Goodin scripted in a message to Jim Watson:

Lemme jump into the foray here ...

BG>    Ok. Tell me this. WHERE are the replies (coming back)
BG> going to be routed to? Even John told me this is one way.

 ... and see if I confuse things more.

How does a netmail message from one system get routed to another?  Well, it
goes to the originating system's uplink, from there to his uplink, then to that
system's uplink and so on up the chain until it hits a system with a routing
control definition for the destination system.  Then it travels a similiar path
in reverse until it arrives on the destination system.  This may involve 2
systems, or 20 or more; the exact routing is unpredictable and requires each
intermediate system to know where to route netmail -- there are a lot of people
(and personalities!) involved and some aren't too quick on changing things so
it's quite possible for netmail to get deleted or end up batted around in a
routing loop between a few systems.  The key to all this is the destination
address of the message, not the originating address, not the intermediate
routing points, and definately not any AKAs such as 3615/51.  There are no
guarantees routing netmail; nets have better chances than independants as the
NC will end up with the message and is obliged by policy to handle it.

Ok, so where does that leave PlanetConnect subscribers?  I don't know what PC's
plans are, whether they plan catering to more than just the FIDOnet community
or whatever, but in reference to routing netmail (FIDO netmail, that is) there
is no reason Boyd cannot hold netmail for PC subscribers at 3615/50.  (Sending
it across the bird I don't find attractive at all -- that would create some
serious loops: as example anything routed through here not destined for any of
my downlinks gets routed out; I serve as a regional hub in R19.  It'll end up
back on 396/1, where it'll pass along to Boyd, who puts it in the air, back to
me, along to 396/1 ... )  Getting stuff routed into 3615/50 for subscribers is
the catch, however.  Basically what it boils down to is this: John Souveste
needs send any routed netmail that hits his system destined to a PlanetConnect
subscriber, through 3615/50.  This means JS has to be kept current on
subscribers to update his routing (let's not forget he has some major routing
tasks already involving all the nets and independants that get their mail via
his system) and since PlanetConnect is a commercial enterprise the
"FIDO-legality" of routing netmail through it is debatable anyway.  John may
not wish to be involved with the "commercialization" of FIDOnet or whatever. I
do not know if this is his reason nor do I presume to speak for John.

A solution?  Technically it's quite possible IF John can be convinced.  Right
now a one-way routing is possible from 3615/50 to 396/1.  Everyone is welcome
to route their netmail through my system, but I cannot guarantee delivery. (Any
tracking responses might not make it back too as I route anything that isn't
destined for anyone feeding out of here!)  If a subscriber isn't local to a net
that can handle inbound netmail, arrange for a regional feed with the local RC
and set up a polling schedule with him or one of his RHubs -- an RC carries
some clout and can arrange routing.  An alternate idea is to establish a
seperate zone for subscribers who aren't local to a net and use 3615/50 as the
gateway.


   ... Remus ...


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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 865
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/02/93 12:45p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin scripted in a message to Jim Watson:

BG>  Why is this? because the reply would follow the
BG> route back that would put the message on the hub that is in
BG> the network.

Not always true.  Depends on who's doing the routing.  If I receive mail for an
R19 independant who doesn't poll here, I send it directly to RC19.


   ... Remus ...


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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 866
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/02/93 12:50p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin scripted in a message to Dave Osborne:


BG> But it did not work. Look at the GMD's. I think they
BG> were send all over the universe.

GMD responses are netmail.  NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER but NEVER put netmail
on the bird as it will get bounced and routed by everyone who receives it and
routes netmail.

In 3615/50's routing definitions, HOLD a subscriber's mail and ROUTE through
him his downlink's mail so he can collect any netmail when he delivers any
echomail responses.


   ... Remus ...


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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 867
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93 12:10a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> First... Can I join your net?  My net fell apart... we  lost  our
> feed and the sysop of the local hub  went  on  vacation  and  his

   Have to check with my hub on that.

> system hasn't answered the phone in over a week. He is
> discouraged that about 1/3 of his  feeds  have  dropped  out  and
> connected to PC and stopped helping pay the long  distance  phone
> bill. He is a good guy  but  just  isn't  ready  to  accept  this
> technology.

    I am sorry to hear about that.

> Second...  if you put netmail on hold so that  we  picked  it  up
> when we polled you with reply  mail  it  would  not  be  sent  by
> satellite and we should be able to get only  the  mail  intended.

  Well from what every tells me the star system will have to set up each node
that I have to allow returned mail to be routed to me. I am under no obligation
to forward yours or anyones routed netmail.

> "normal" means like I did before I joined PC  and  it  is  simply
> not possible to teach everyone in fido land that crash netmail is
> the only solution to contact me.

   I guess things in fidonet will have to change.


>> can pick it up when we poll you.  I'm sure you are aware  of   the
>> effects it would have on your business if routed netmail did   not
>> work.

I am not aware of any effects not routing netmail would have on us. We did
not state anywhere that we would "route netmail". We just said we would accept
return echomail to be  sent back into landbased fidonet.

> Let me join your net and then do whatever you are doing for your
> "normal" non satellite feeds.   How  do  they  get  their  routed
> netmail?   I  don't  see  it  coming  in  over   the   satellite.

  Dont have any "normal" non satellite feeds. I call my hub once a week to get
anything there for our system. None of my netmail replies are routed. I send
everything direct.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 868
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93 12:15a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> The only thing that you need to figure out is how  to  place  the
> routed netmail from John on hold for the node to pick up when  we

   This is it! I DONT GET any routed mail coming back from john unless he would
have every address of every system that drops off mail to me.


> You probably only have to give  John a  list  of  the  nodes  you
> supply mail to so that he can send their routed net mail to  you.

   I would think that his routing file is big enough as it is.

> If he can't do that then we need to get a new node number so
> that he can.  I'll change node numbers today if it will fix  this
> problem.  I can no longer get my routed netmail  anyway  so  this
> node   number   I    have    now    is    practically    useless.

   This is where changes within the fidonet structure will have to changes to
accept the satellite feed. I dont forsee this happening anytime in the near
furture.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 869
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93 12:18a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG> If I routed a message thru 1:396/1
> ...
> BG> It would not go thru  396/1.

> I  don't   understand   those   two   statements.   They   appear
> contradictory to me.

   Here I route a netmail message to 1:245/89 lets say and I route it through
1:396/1. When 245/89 replies via routed mail, right now, as it stands, I would
have to call 3615/1 to pick up that reply. I cant put it any simpler.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 870
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93 12:19a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Maybe you accidentally found a new way  to  contact  God.  <Grin>

   Working on it!

..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 871
  To: RICK MORRIS                              Date: 12/03/93 12:20a
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I've read a lot about routed netmail recently and would like to make a
> clarification here... routed netmail is supposed to be routed through the
> *C's... even though the *EC's have been nice enough to do it, it's not
> something that a hub has to do if they don't want to...

   Thank you for the clearification.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 872
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/03/93 12:23a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> That's a good answer, Moosehead.  It should work, but I believe your
> first priority should be perfectly smooth echomail and files day in and
> day out. After that, routed netmail should be fairly easy to implement.
> later dude and keep up the good work.

    Thanks for the encouragement hosser. I should of became a doctor. I think
it is less stressfull than this occupation.



...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 873
  To: JERRY RUSSELL                            Date: 12/03/93 12:25a
Subj: Re: ECHO'S                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd !
> How about providing the K-12 Network Echos. Have you talked to them ?
> Sure would like to see the SAT. system deliver more goods ! :)

   Havent talked with them. WGA should be going over any day now. Also a sports
online magazine.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 874
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/03/93 12:28a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Now if John wants to reply, the message gets addressed to 141/1135 and
> will go to the system *he* has set up to forward to, 141/1 for example
> who forwards it to 141/1240 who forwards it to 141/1130 who fowards it to
> me at 141/1135.

   He would have to put every system that calls me in his route statement too ,
wouldn't he?

> I would also suggest that you start using session passwords for all mail
> to prevent someone from dumping both netmail and bogus Echo mail on your
> system. especially since with your setup, you can't run secure.

   We are. Starting Sunday if nobody has a session password they wont be able
to drop anything off.

.....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 875
  To: GARY BERG                                Date: 12/03/93 12:29a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

>> GMD's. I think they were send all over the universe.

> Depends on how the sats antennae are pointed (*)


    Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 876
  To: JEFF WALLACH                             Date: 12/03/93 12:30a
Subj: Re: DRIG package requested              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Would you PLEASE look for our package and send out:

> 1  Ku Band install viedo tape
> 2  Updated software


    It is being sent.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 877
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 12/03/93 12:31a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I guess we'll just have to be patient . . . :-)

   Getting there. Just got to kick them a few more times..........


....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 878
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 12/03/93 12:33a
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> If you're pulling from John, you should be (and are) getting these areas
> already, so it isn't a problem.

   Got that worked out. Seems a lot of systems like to send me there local
areas and we I dont mind reading the R18SYSOP echo but it is just for of
politics and such. I am still getting messages from the BITCH echo and it is
not in either of the FIDONET.N* files!

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 879
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/03/93 12:38a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> for routed netmail.  Although Message Track does a good job, it doesn't
> allow remote control.  But, this CAN all be done.  Honest!  :-)

   I believe you! But John's routing file would be enormous, not to mention how
enormous it is now.

> Don't say it can't be done.  It already is.

I am not saying it cant be done. I have other priorities at the moment. If John
was to add all the nets than fine by me, I will give it another try. But nobody
better start complaining if they happen to get a few messages not address to
thier system ending up in thier netmail area.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 880
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/03/93 12:39a
Subj: Re: Echo's                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> You're forgiven..... just as soon as I get my dish.   :-)

    It was sent out yesterday.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 881
  To: LARRY JAMES                              Date: 12/03/93 12:40a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> Say hello to Veger:-)

   Who's Veger?


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 882
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/03/93 12:40a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Is there any chance that the weather stuff could be sent out in
> RIP Script format?  Sure would make it easy to interface for the
> users to view them online.
> Joe

   We are looking into that possibility. YOu could do it on your end.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 883
  To: JERRY SCROGGIN                           Date: 12/03/93 12:42a
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> any clues...dv was disastrous...3 meg survived after 6 hours ..
> out of dv got another 7 meg...


  Do you have a 16550 on that port and did you add the SKYFIFO=True statement
to the INI file?

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 884
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/03/93 12:45a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> If I were there, I would be only to happy to drop by and jave a look see,
> but...  it's a bit far to travle, and I am sure there must be someone
> local that knows how to do this.

   Your concept is correct so John would have to add all nets that we feed so
that anything he gets for this node would be sent to me and I would put it on
hold for him. Since we have some nets and a lot of indevidual nodes receiving
systems he would have to add each node to his routing file. Wonder if he would
do that.


...Boyd

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 885
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 12/01/93 10:29p
Subj: WHATCHA USING?                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >     What are you folks using in Calgary? C or Ku? If Ku, any
 > problems?

Richard, I'm at about the same latitude to you here in Ottawa, and I'm getting
perfect reception.

Regards


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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 886
  To: PCUSENET GUYS                            Date: 12/02/93  8:53p
Subj: map.config                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone know exactly what usenet groups are coming down the satellite I
need to create a proper map.fido file for fredgate, and to Lance, your
batchfiles worked great!!!!! thanx very very much for the help..





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From: NORMAND MARINEAU                       Number: 887
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/30/93  6:38a
Subj: FrancoMedia                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

        Hello Boyd, I bought a Disk Package with one year site feed, I receive
correctly all the files, but I found not the file of Network FrancoMedia and I
bougth that for to have this Network. When I want receive this Network ???

Thanks
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From: RICHARD BASH                           Number: 888
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/02/93  7:45a
Subj: C or Ku?                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  >     Is there a restriction on using COM1 for the receiver? If so,
->  > there workarounds? Thanks.
->
-> Richard. I am running it on com1: over here with no problems. Maybe y
-> problem with your serial port or a conflict with a com3 mouse?
->
-> Just make sure you change all the info for com1 in the config file. T
-> or 5 parameters if I recall correctly.


Thanks (to you and others who responded). Are you running C or Ku? If
Ku, are you using the PC dish and feedhorn or someone else's? Also, if
Ku, any problems?


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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 889
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/02/93 11:45p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Nov 27, Boyd Goodin of 1:3615/50 wrote to Tim Dowell:

Hello Boyd.

 BG>    Thanks. I know that not all areas in the .NO file are carried
 BG> by the star system I call.

I carry all of the NA and NO areas.  I have you connected to all of them.  :-)

Enjoy!

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 890
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/02/93 11:55p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Nov 28, Terry Blount of 1:3625/441 wrote to Floyd Drennon:

 TB>  It  is  quite a  task  to
 TB>  teach everyone that routed netmail is NOT an option available
 TB> to those of us who get their feed via satellite.

It most certainly is - just not via the satellite.  It travels the same route
that it always did.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 891
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/02/93 11:58p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Nov 29, Terry Blount of 1:3625/441 wrote to MARTIN BELCKE:

 TB> Somehow I  have  to  find  the  star  that  is
 TB>  sending it my old route and have them route  it  to  3615/50
 TB> and have PC put it on hold for me.

I don't think that PC and the Zone Hubs are going to set up routing files which
include thousands of individual nodes.  Isn't enough that we route it to your
Net?  You should be able to get it from there.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 892
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93 12:02a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Nov 29, Boyd Goodin of 1:3615/50 wrote to Jim Watson:

> Route Hold 396/1 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All
 BG>
 BG>   Thats what I had except for the MsgTrack and I did not see one
 BG> routed netmail flow back to me from John for one of the systems.

Correct.  I don't route any netmail to you, but you are more than welcome to
route anything you receive through me.  It will then follow the conventional
Backbone echomail channels to its destination.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 893
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/03/93 12:06a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Dec 01, Dave Osborne of 1:123/301.2 wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 DO> Boyd, John simply routes any netmail to 3615/50 for any system
 DO> that's you feed in the same way you route it to him.

Woah!  For Boyd, it takes ONE line in his routing file to route to me.  If I
were to try to route to each person connected to PC (including those they feed)
I'd need thousands of statements and they would probably need to be updated
hourly.  NOT so simple!  :-)

Also, everyone doing routing would have to do likewise, so it would be a
problem for the other Zone Hubs and Region Hubs, too.

 DO  He does it now for other nets via modem, ...

Nets, yes.  Not nodes.  :-)

John
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From: GARY CHAMBERS                          Number: 894
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/01/93  2:22p
Subj: Assumption?                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Is it safe to assume that if this message is received by someone else, that my
net's echomail is being sent properly?  A reply would be nice...

Thank you,
GeeCee/2

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 895
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/01/93  7:56p
Subj: Problem with PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Terry Blount to Craig Clark <=-

 TB> That is not  possible  unless  Ptccmain  changes  its  method  of
 TB> moving the incoming file.  Since  some  systems/hard  drives  are
 TB> very slow when they have to physically move the data it is a  big
 TB> problem to guess how long the delay between files should be.   If
 TB> a slow system is still moving a file when the  next  file  starts
 TB> coming it  would  loose  the  data  from  the  beginning  of  the
 TB> incoming file.

Yes, that makes sense now.  It should be possible however to have
temporary files on each drive letter used in the config file.  For
example, if my system has C:, F: and G: configured as drives with areas
where files are to go, then PTCCMAIN could create three temporary files.

When a file comes in destined for F: the temporary data would be written
to F:, then the FAT updated at the end of transmission of that file. The
same could be done for other drive letters - no data would have to be
physically moved at the end of a transfer.

Perhaps Boyd will mention this idea to the programmer for PTCCMAIN.  It
would save me moving the files around in batch files after PTCCMAIN
terminates.

-=- Craig.


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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 896
  To: DAVE MILLER                              Date: 12/01/93  7:59p
Subj: Problem with PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Dave Miller to Craig Clark <=-

 DM> Yes there is a restriction that all areas must bo on the same drive.
 DM> This is stated in the documentation that came on your initial
 DM> distribution disk.  I too would like to be able to specify different
 DM> drive.  HOW about it BOYD will this feature be possible in a future
 DM> upgrade of the software?

See my last message for an idea of how it might possibly be done.  In
regards to the docs, I'm one of those unusual people that actually RTM.
I printed out the sparse documentation that came on the disk, but don't
recall seeing anything about that restriction.  I fought it for several
hours before I gave up and put everything on one drive.  I'll have to
look for it again just out of curiousity.

-=- Craig.


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From: KEITH SIPPY                            Number: 897
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/02/93 10:43a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 DO> On the other side.  If someone sends something to me,
 DO> it's routed via their links to John.  John has a
 DO> routing statement that routes 123 to 3615/50.  You get
 DO> it, put it on hold and I pick it up.  It works!
 DO> Honest!  :-)  Pain in the ass to maintain, but it does work.

What about the other two stars?  They'd have to change their routing too.  And
then many nets probably too.  When new people come online with PC it'd have to
change each time.  And then everyone on PC needs to make a list of who they
feed so everyone knows.  I see it as a large production to get set up correctly
for everyone and not have things go into black holes.

Keith


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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 898
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 12/01/93  9:27p
Subj: PCUSENET                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dan!

Monday November 29 1993, Dan Williamson writes to Jeff Ward:

> Jeff Ward wrote in a message to Dan Williamson:

JW>> What about the .BAG files, does it hanlde them as well?
JW>> SOunds like a nifty little program. Do you have it fro Freq?
JW>> Later!

> Handles them fine. See my note in PCSITES. Available as FRED19Q.ARJ here or
> from a site closer to you (maybe).

 Thanks for the reply. I'll look into it...

Jeff

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 899
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/01/93  9:28p
Subj: Internet TimeTable                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

Tuesday November 30 1993, Todd Lyons writes to Jeff Ward:
> I've not heard any dates that it WILL begin, but I've heard that it will
> NOT be in full force until after New Year's.  Don't know if that info is
> still current or if it has been adjusted up or down.  Rely on Boyd for
> definite answers to those.

 Thanks for the reply. I'll be looking for the start date...

Jeff

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 900
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 12/01/93  9:29p
Subj: Gmd messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mike!

Monday November 29 1993, Mike Labbe writes to Jeff Ward:
> Looks like the GMD messages are a thing of the past. None today!!

 Yep, same here. I did get a single grunged netmail message, but nothing else
so far!

> PC1128.ZIP also works like a charm... I'm very pleased with the performance
> of the unit.  I only wish the mail would come earlier in the AM and could
> be automated in some way (or maybe one could be transmitted at 11pm, which
> would arrive about 3am and be processed for the morning readers...

 I myself really don't have a problem with the system. Most of the nodes
polling my system poll in the early morning hours. Since they were already
accustomed to all their mail being on hold status at the hub, they are happy
with the service they are getting. I have actually had one or two of them
remark as to how fast the turn around was in some echos! So, with the mail run
starting about 7:30am, I usually can have the bulk of the mail out bundled and
ready to go by lunch. So far so good!

Later!
Jeff

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 901
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 12/02/93  7:36p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Ed Marquis to Jim Dunmyer <=-

 EM> Don't feel bad.  I've run out of drive letters myself.  Had to remap
 EM> A: and B: to get two more CD's online.  I run one Pioneer drive and a
 EM> bunch of single drives.  I heard that there was some software that
 EM> would make the Pioneer drives appear as one drive letter with the
 EM> different CD's as subdirectories under it but don't know where to get
 EM> it or what it's called.  I sure would love to see someone write a
 EM> driver that would do this.  You could have 6 times more CD's online if
 EM> you used all Pioneer 604x drives.

If you run Lantastic you can remap all of the server's logical drives to
one drive letter on a workstation.  From that one drive letter each of
the server's drives appears as a different subdirectory.  Using this
method and multiple servers you could have around 676 CD-ROM's online at
one time.  I know of some sysops using this method to get more than a
100 CD-ROM's online simultaneously.

With Lantastic try this:

NET USE D: \\SERVER1

This is assuming you are not already using drive D:; use a different
letter if you are.  Note that there is no resource specified after the
server name as there usually is.  When you change to drive D: after
doing this mapping, you will see what looks like the control directory
(\LANTASTI.NET), except that inside each subdirectory you will have an
entire disk (HD, CD-ROM, WORM, whatever).

Try it - it may surprise you.  It may also be quite usefull to you.

-=- Craig.


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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 902
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/01/93  7:23p
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  MARTIN   BELCKE   wrote   in  a   message   to   TERRY    BLOUNT:
->
-> MB>  Routed  netmail  for  commercial  purposes  is   contrary    to
-> MB> fidonet.  Fidonet is a NON-commerical enterprise.
->
->  Give me a break...  You must not have  noticed  that  there  is a
->  commercial conference  (CforSale)  or  you  have  overlooked  the
->  reality that the "for sale" conferences make up about 25% of  the
->  volume of mail we transfer.  I  did  not  say  that I  was  using
->  Fidonet for a commercial enterprise... that was your  assumption.

An assumption based on your wording.... "missed some business
opportunities".

->  I may have been trying to sell off old equipment left  over  from
->  a recent upgrade.  If you have never upgraded and sold  off  your

If that were the case, it wouldn't be business opportunities.
"Business" implies the operating of a business, which is covered in
Policy 4 to wit:
1.3.6  Commercial Use

FidoNet is an amateur network.  Participants spend their own time and
money to make it work for the good of all the users. It is not
appropriate for commercial enterprise to take advantage of these
volunteer efforts to further their own business interests. On the other
hand, FidoNet provides a convenient and effective means for companies
and users to exchange information, to the mutual benefit of all.

Network Coordinators could be forced to subsidize commercial operations
forwarding host-routed netmail, and could even find themselves involved
in a lawsuit if any guarantee was suggested for mail delivery.   It is
therefor FidoNet policy is that commercial mail is not to be routed.
"Commercial mail includes mail which furthers specific business
interests without being of benefit to the net as a whole. Examples
include company-internal mail, inter-corporate mail, specific product
inquiries (price quotes, for instance), orders and their follow-ups,
and all other subjects specifical related to business.

<End of quote>

Now if you were simply trying to sell of some old equipment that you
personally own, then that is not conducting "business".  However, from
the wording you used, you implied differently.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 903
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/02/93  3:37p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Boyd, John simply routes any netmail to 3615/50 for any system that's
-> in the same way you route it to him.  He does it now for other nets v
-> there is little difference between feeding you and feeding an REC.


BIG DIFFERENCE!!  The difference being this.  In the routing statements,
routing to an entire net is a single line entry.  Routing to specific
nodes in a net requires an entry for each node.  In a net of 50 nodes,
assuming 25 nodes are feed by a PC site, and 25 nodes are not, It would
require a 50 line routing statement for both John and Boyd.

Since in many cases, not all nodes in a particular net are connected
through PC, it creates a problem with routed netmail.  PC is NOT the
same as an REC.

In our Region (Region 11) there are over 1,000 nodes.  Some connect
through PC, some do not.  Keeping track of which do and don't would be a
nightmare, not to mention the routing statements that would need to be
changed each time a new node is added/deleted from the nodelist.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 904
  To: LARRY JAMES                              Date: 12/02/93  3:44p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Route to 123/301 for 123/all
-> Route to 133/16 for 133/all
-> .
-> .
-> .
-> Route to UPLINK for DOWNLINK_ONLY
-> Route to 369/1 for OTHERS
->
-> OTHERS = those nets you have no links to.

What about individual nodes that are connected to PC......what about
nets that have a portion of the nodes being feed by a PC site, others
being feed by land-line connections.....what about nets that have
several PC sites.....what about.....what about.....ad nauseum.......

The routing is simply to complicated to be handled in a manner that is
feasible.  An old adage in Fidonet is this:

If it's important, send it direct, if it isn't route it.

Routed netmail requires the consent of ALL nodes in the routing chain.
If one doesn't consent, the routing fails.

--Martin--

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 905
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 12/02/93  6:44p
Subj: NEW BBS IN TOWN...                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > 3. Is there a way to not have the hard drive continually being used
 > during the satellite software?

John,
 I've seen this question asked before, and here's my feelings: The HD has to
write each block of data as it arrives, BUT: the head doesn't ususally move,
it's already over the proper track. This is assuming that the drive is doing
nothing else, of course.

However, it would be nice to have an environment variable of SKYTEMP that would
point to the place to store the temporary file as it's written so you could
then copy it to the HD. That could potentially cause as many or more problems
than it'd solve, of course.....

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 906
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/01/93  3:06p
Subj: PROBLEM WITH PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry,

-> Yes. In order for Ptccmain to move the file fast enough  to  pick up
-> the next incoming file it uses a process that simply  rewrites the
-> file allocation table.  This process  does  not  work  across drives
-> since one drive may be on a different hard disk  or a  ram drive
-> altogether.

I'm running PTCCMAIN perfect as a user under a Novell system which
doesn't have a File Allocation Table available to the logged in user.
Saved my bacon many times running ill-behaved or delinquent programs.

Just wondering how your proposed file move works. <grin>

Regards,
Hans
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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 907
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93  3:41a
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  MARTIN   BELCKE   wrote   in  a   message   to   TERRY    BLOUNT:
->
-> MB>  Routed  netmail  for  commercial  purposes  is   contrary    to
-> MB> fidonet.  Fidonet is a NON-commerical enterprise.
->
->  Give me a break...  You must not have  noticed  that  there  is a
->  commercial conference  (CforSale)

     He said routed *NETMAIL* not echo mail.


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 908
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 12/03/93  3:50a
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  > And, I'm adding a 4th Pioneer CD-ROM changer RSN. That'll require
->  > a bunch of changes in configuration files, just to get enough
->  > drive letters. I think I can make B: a network drive under
->  > Lantastic....
->
-> Don't feel bad.  I've run out of drive letters myself.  Had to remap
-> to get two more CD's online.  I run one Pioneer drive and a bunch of
-> drives.  I heard that there was some software that would make the Pio
-> drives appear as one drive letter with the different CD's as subdirec
-> under it but don't know where to get it or what it's called.

   I just saw a post today about an unknown command you use in your
   startnet.bat that allows you to use each server as a drive letter
   and each drive as a sub dir. Would that help ya?


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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 909
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/03/93  9:12a
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  >  I no longer have a "regular" place.  PC  is  my  "regular"  place
 >     Terry, don't you maintain any type of local or regional connect for
 > the
 > purpose of picking up local/regional echoes or routed netmail?

Patty, I think he was complaining earlier that his NC just went down.  Who
knows, maybe he'll be the next NC?

Take care!                                                      Todd

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From: FRANK SCHEEL                           Number: 910
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/30/93  9:44p
Subj: Re: Things...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount wrote in a message to Frank Scheel:

FS> I have been  running  hyperdisk  with  the  16550  with  delayed
FS> write on and  have  not  noticed  any  particular  problems.  It
FS> does stop the write to the hard drive every second.

TB>  Would you post those hyperdisk parameters you  are  using?
TB>  I'll  check the docs in the meantime.

Device=E:\QEMM\LOADHI.SYS /R:2 C:\HYPERDKX.EXE c:1024 s t:2 m:3 Later,
         <_Frank_>

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 911
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 12/02/93  9:21p
Subj: New node getting this ech               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Don't feel bad.  I've run out of drive letters myself.  Had to remap A: and
-> B: to get two more CD's online.  I run one Pioneer drive and a bunch of
-> single drives.  I heard that there was some software that would make the
-> Pioneer drives appear as one drive letter with the different CD's as
-> subdirectories under it but don't know where to get it or what it's called.
-> I sure would love to see someone write a driver that would do this.  You
-> could have 6 times more CD's online if you used all Pioneer 604x drives.  I
-> could just map drives on the fly in batch files but I want all CD's
-> searchable and accessible at once.

Sign me up too! <G>  have two DRM-600's here with Novell and am out of letters.
Using Map Assist, which has a 10 drive limit.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 912
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 12/02/93  8:01p
Subj: New BBS in town...                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JOHN LUNDELL wrote in a message to All:


JL> 3. Is there a  way  to  not  have  the  hard  drive  continually
JL> being used during the satellite software?

 I  hear a  disk  cache  helps  but I  haven't  got  mine  set  up
 correctly yet.

JL>  thinking...  a  ramdrive  would  be  nice  for  the   temporary
JL> file.. but you can't set that can you?

 No.  The method of moving the inbound file  from  the  temp  file
 rewrites the file allocation table and does not  physically  move
 the data.

JL> 4. Why does FIDOnet have  so  many  people  addressing  messages
JL> to SYSOP?

 They want your attention :)

JL> I get all these messages each day flagged as
JL> waiting for me only to find that they  are  from  some  user  to
JL> their sysop  on  some  other  BBS..  RIMEnet  and  others  don't
JL> tollerate that...

 Use your real name on your bbs.

JL> 5. Way up  here  I  am  getting  snow  and  ice  buildup  on  my
JL> dish.. it doesn't appear  to  affect  the  signal  much,  but  I
JL> can  see  during  a  bad  storm  the  thing  getting  heavy  and
JL> moving offline.. can one get something to  take  care  of  that?

 Yes... your wife get the broom and go out and sweep it off. <grin>


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 913
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93 10:58a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

BG> I am not aware of any effects not routing netmail would have
BG> on us. We did  not state anywhere that we would "route
BG> netmail". We just said we would accept return echomail to be
BG>  sent back into landbased fidonet.

That wasn't what I was talking about.  I'm sure you have gotten many netmail
messages asking questions and placing orders for a sat modem or to subscribe to
PC.  I would guess that a large number of those messages came to you via routed
netmail.  Had you not gotten them your business would not have grown as fast.

BG>  I call my hub
BG> once a week to get anything there for our system. None of my
BG> netmail replies are routed. I send everything direct.

Me too.  But I am sure you _PICK UP_ some routed net mail
messages that are were routed to you.   That is what I wanted to be able do.


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 914
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93 11:05a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Boyd   Goodin   wrote   in  a   message    to    Terry    Blount:

BG>    This is it! I DONT GET  any  routed  mail  coming  back  from
BG> john unless he would have every address  of  every  system  that
BG> drops off mail to me.

 My point is that he is already sending it  _somewhere_.  If  that
 somewhere is to you and you put it on hold that should solve  the problem.

BG>    This is where  changes  within  the  fidonet  structure  will
BG> have to changes to accept the  satellite  feed.  I  dont  forsee
BG> this happening anytime in the near furture.

 Sorry to hear that.  But I understand because I have  experienced
 the lack  of  support  in a  similar  manner  in  my  local  net.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 915
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/03/93 11:11a
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 John   Souvestre   wrote   in  a   message   to   Terry   Blount:

 TB>  It  is  quite a  task  to
 TB>  teach everyone that routed netmail is NOT an option available
 TB>  to  those  of  us  who  get  their   feed   via   satellite.

JS> It most  certainly  is  -  just  not  via  the  satellite.    It
JS> travels the same route that it always did.

 The problem is that the entire  fidonet  "system"  is  always  in
 flux.  One day a bunch of new  nodes  join  and  the  same  day a
 bunch fall off.  So we have weekly node  updates  to  manage  the
 changes.  When there are no changes in key  positions  everything
 works smoothly but when nodes  that  distribute  mail  decide  to
 shut down everyone below them has to go  on a  "hunting"  mission
 to get a new feed.  If routed netmail was on hold  (to  pick  up)
 at the _same_ system (node) we call to _RETURN_  our  reply  mail
 the confusion and maintenance would be less  and the  reliability
 would be improved.

 Ps.  Don't route a netmail  reply... I  probably  won't  get  it.
 <grin>

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 916
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/03/93 11:19a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Souvestre wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

JS> I don't think that PC and the Zone Hubs are going to set up
JS> routing files which include thousands of individual nodes.
JS> Isn't enough that we route it to your Net?  You should be
JS> able to get it from there.

Humm..... do I smell an opportunity for business?  <grin>

I would pay to get it from the same place I leave off my mail.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 917
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 12/03/93 11:22a
Subj: Problem with PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Craig Clark wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

CC> Yes, that makes sense now.  It should be possible however to
CC> have temporary files on each drive letter used in the config
CC> file.  For example, if my system has C:, F: and G:
CC> configured as drives with areas where files are to go, then
CC> PTCCMAIN could create three temporary files.

CC> When a file comes in destined for F: the temporary data
CC> would be written to F:, then the FAT updated at the end of
CC> transmission of that file. The same could be done for other
CC> drive letters - no data would have to be physically moved at
CC> the end of a transfer.

CC> Perhaps Boyd will mention this idea to the programmer for
CC> PTCCMAIN.  It would save me moving the files around in batch
CC> files after PTCCMAIN terminates.

This is an excellent idea especially if the mail bundles
(0000FFFF.?) could have their own separate directory by
themselves.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 918
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 12/03/93 11:26a
Subj: PROBLEM WITH PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

HANS HOOGSTRAAT wrote in a message to TERRY BLOUNT:

HH> Just wondering how your proposed file move works. <grin>

In Pascal you can simply move a file without moving the data like this:
        {$i-}
    Rename( TheFile,  'C:\NewDir\NewName.xyz' );
        {$i+}
    If Ioresult = 17 Then Manually_copy_the_data... because you
    were not currently on the same drive.


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 919
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 12/03/93  9:41p
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 MARTIN   BELCKE   wrote   in  a   message   to   TERRY    BLOUNT:

MB> Now if you were simply trying to  sell  of  some  old  equipment
MB>  that  you  personally  own,  then  that  is   not    conducting
MB> "business".

 This conference is used for "conducting business" as well as  the
 support conference for Us Robotics,  WordPerfect,  Desqview,  and
 Windows has  at  least  four  (4)  conferences  with a  _TON_  of
 messages!  NOT to mention at least 20  conferences  that  promote
 commercial BBS programs  ...you mean to  tell  me  that  you  are
 willing to carry all that echo  mail  containing  promotions  and
 update info, pricing, customer support, etc...  but  if a  routed
 netmail message needs to pass through your system  you  would  be
 _disturb_ if it contained info that would make a customer  happy?
 I would certainly be happy to allow your routed netmail  to  pass
 through my system _ESPECIALLY_ if I thought it would benefit  you
 emotionally, spiritually _OR_ financially.

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From: BARRY CASSETTY                         Number: 920
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/29/93  7:39a
Subj: gmd netmail                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> As of the last few weeks, every nite we receive GMD Netmail and it looks
 >> like the same messages too. If you have a moment, can you check into
 >> this ?

 >    Problem has been found and is being taken care off.

 > ...Boyd

Thanks........We didn't get any today..11/29

...Barry

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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 921
  To: GARY CHAMBERS                            Date: 12/03/93  8:44p
Subj: Assumption?                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Gary!

GC> Is it safe to assume that if this message is received by someone else, th
GC> net's echomail is being sent properly?  A reply would be nice...

Here's typing to you from Mobile, AL....!  :)

                                              ...Di

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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 922
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/03/93  8:48p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Terry!

> The only thing that you need to figure out is how  to  place  the

Why not just route it through Richard Wallen, our local NC?  I have
had good success doing it that way...Just a thought...

                                         ...Di

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 923
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93  4:34p
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    One nice solution would be to have 10 systems, 6 in US and 4
 > in Canada, that each had a region and everone in each reagina
 > would drop of mail to these systems instead of call directly to
 > us. In turn we supply a number for the 10 systems to drop off
 > mail to us. We would not have a problem with routing then as I
 > would only have 10 systems to set up and routing would be handle
 > from each system to mine then routed to what every of the 10
 > systems that net is in. Oh well, I can dream though can't I?

Not a bad idea for you to have 10 HUBs throughout the country for people to
call into.  They could also be a bank for mail and files for those who needed
to file-request what they missed.  These 10 could also be a perfect backup in
case anything were to happen to the satellite uplink itself.  If these 10 sites
had ISDN in place, they could come in via the backdoor with ISDN and not worry
about busy signals on the other lines. (this would be extremely important in
the case of a system failure).  I know of 3 other sites besides mine that have
ISDN and have large enough systems to serve as backup and also have the
expertise to act as a HUB.

 >    Please dont give me all the credit. Joe Overhold founded this
 > and I came to work for him a year ago today. I mainly worked on
 > the Skylink project and now take care of the technical aspects
 > of Planet Connect. Which of course include taking care of the
 > computers and stuff at the uplink. Joe is the one with the
 > ideas, I just keep everything running a smooth as I can.

That's Overholt..........<g>   Good thing Joe has a sense of humor.

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 924
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 12/03/93  5:01p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PCUTIL is a great program and does a good job of what it was written to do.
Would it be possible to configure it to stop tossing mail bundles during a
PCUTIL NEXT4 command if it comes to a bundle that is missing?  I'd rather wait
till that bundle shows up than to toss my mail out of sequence.  If you'd like
a beta tester to try this out, I'd be glad to volunteer.   Thanks.

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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 925
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 12/03/93  9:26a
Subj: C or Ku?                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Thanks (to you and others who responded). Are you running C or Ku? If
 > Ku, are you using the PC dish and feedhorn or someone else's? Also, if
 > Ku, any problems?



I am using C band so I can't help you there. I was able to pick up a used one
for a pretty good price. Has the motor and even a video. This way when the wind
mannages to nudge the dish I can bring her back in line.

TTYL
      Laz

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From: RIC WALSH                              Number: 926
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 12/03/93  6:56p
Subj: Qfront                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mike!

Wednesday December 01 1993 23:00, Mike Labbe wrote to All:

 ML> Is anyone out there using QFRONT as a front end processor with the
 ML> satellite? We're considering a switch from D'Bridge (which takes *6* hours
 ML> per day on a 486).

I'm using FMAIL and it takes about an hour (I'm feeding about 15 nodes). Most
of the time is to zip up the out going packets. I'm only running a 386SX with
4mg memory on a peer to peer network.

I still use DB to answer the phone and to send the packets but it was TOOOO
slow to toss that much mail.

Ric

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 927
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/03/93  9:43p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  DO  He does it now for other nets via modem, ...
 >
 > Nets, yes.  Not nodes.  :-)

If you would route for one net, you'd have to route for them all.  As it
stands now, each net should have a regional feed, but I can understand his
want to eliminate one of his long distance polls.

And on that note, would it still be extensive modifications to your route
configs if you agreed to route whole nets' netmail?  I don't run the
complicated software that you do so it will probably be something more
complex than the simple stuff we encounter daily.

BTW, I pick up net 3807's mail from 1:147/7 (in case you have any messages
that have been getting stranded and deleted).  I got a call in to John now
'cause I'm curious why the R19COORD echo hasn't had a message in it for about
2 months.

See ya                                                           Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 928
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/03/93  9:53p
Subj: map.config                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Does anyone know exactly what usenet groups are coming down the
 > satellite I need to create a proper map.fido file for fredgate, and to

alt.bbs
alt.internet
alt.bbs.ads
alt.bbs.allsysop
alt.bbs.doors
alt.bbs.internet
alt.bbs.lists
alt.bbs.metal
alt.bbs.pcboard
alt.bbs.pcbuucp
alt.bbs.unixbbs
alt.bbs.uupcb
alt.internet
alt.internet.services
comp
comp.bbs
comp.bbs.misc
comp.bbs.waffle
comp.org
comp.org.fidonet

This is what has come over so far.  The usenet bundles have stopped for now
though.  I haven't seen anything since last Sunday.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: DAVE MILLER                            Number: 929
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 12/03/93 10:38p
Subj: Problem with PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 CC> See my last message for an idea of how it might possibly be done.  In
 CC> regards to the docs, I'm one of those unusual people that actually RTM.
 CC> I printed out the sparse documentation that came on the disk, but don't
 CC> recall seeing anything about that restriction.  I fought it for several
 CC> hours before I gave up and put everything on one drive.  I'll have to
 CC> look for it again just out of curiousity.

 CC> -=- Craig.

It is there as a comment at the begining of the ACONFIG.SKY file.

     -=- Dave.


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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 930
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 12/04/93 12:00a
Subj: NEW BBS IN TOWN...                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to John Lundell, Jim Dunmyer said:

 > > 3. Is there a way to not have the hard drive continually being used
 > > during the satellite software?

 > John,
 >  I've seen this question asked before, and here's my
 > feelings: The HD has to write each block of data as it
 > arrives, BUT: the head doesn't ususally move, it's already
 > over the proper track. This is assuming that the drive is
 > doing nothing else, of course.
 >
 > However, it would be nice to have an environment variable of
 > SKYTEMP that would point to the place to store the temporary
 > file as it's written so you could then copy it to the HD.
 > That could potentially cause as many or more problems than
 > it'd solve, of course.....

Yep, totaly agree here...
I have however been able to slow the writes down a touch by using an 8k fossil
and a write cashe.  It now only writes to the drive about every 8-15 blocks,
with no data loss or bad results on the 286-16 that I use for PC only.

John

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 931
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/04/93  2:12a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/03/93> Boyd Goodin wrote:

BG> > Is there any chance that the weather stuff could be sent out in
BG> > RIP Script format?  Sure would make it easy to interface for the
BG> > users to view them online.
BG> > Joe
BG>
BG>    We are looking into that possibility. YOu could do it on your end.
BG>
BG>
BG> ...Boyd
I have tried and my efforts are failures.  Any suggestions on a
program name to convert them.

Joe

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 932
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/02/93  5:54p
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Boyd, have a quick question and observation for you re: TVAGENT.

    Finally decided to take a look at the tv listings to see what they
included, looked like, etc..  only to find that TVAGENT has to be run on the
machine that has the dongle and actually runs Ptccmain.  Further, the listings
themselves are encrypted and can't be listed or viewed with anything but
TVAGENT.

    With no offense to you or PC intended, what kind of a moron is going to
interrupt his/her satellite transmissions to view a tv listing?  I understand
that you don't wish TVAGENT or the listings themselves to be distributed or
used by other than the PC subscribers, but what of us who have multiple
machines operating across a network?  Or what of those folks who run PC as an
event from their BBS on a single machine?

    I think such an action not only limits the usefulness of the listings but
somewhat nullifies your reasons for including it.  Could you perhaps
reconsider and find some other way of protecting your interests with regards
to TVAGENT?


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 933
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 12/03/93  8:19a
Subj: RE: THINGS...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > by next week, and then I'll really be getting some large volumes of
 > mail and this concerns me even more about the old hard drive.

Don't worry about it, Glenn. I've been handling mail here since 1988, starting
with CONFMAIL, later using Qmail. The HD thrashes for a couple of hours at a
time, and I've yet to actually wear one out, usually outgrow it first. Same
thing with my BBS; with all 7 lines going, the HD light looks like it's being
defragged, not just servicing the lines. And, I've never worn out a drive
there, either. If your drive goes belly-up while processsing all that mail, it
just means that it was time anyway, and with drives now below a buck/meg, it
shouldn't kill you to replace it. Especially if it's truly "old" as you
indicate above.

Heck, I took an ST-4096 off the BBS after a year or so, processed mail on it
for about 3 or 4 years, then sold it to a guy who is STILL using it.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 934
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/03/93 11:24p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <03 Dec 93  00:06:40>, John Souvestre (1:396/1) writes:

 JS>Woah!  For Boyd, it takes ONE line in his routing file to route to
 JS>me.  If I were to try to route to each person connected to PC
 JS>(including those they feed) I'd need thousands of statements and
 JS>they would probably need to be updated hourly.  NOT so simple!  :-)

Yeh, this is true.  I guess I keep thinking in a net configuration as that's
what I deal with.  It's hard enough to keep up with net routing, but as Boyd
has to deal with individual nodes.....

Still, I wonder how many whole nets he's feeding via NECs or hub level
downlinks.  Like for Net 123, you could shove the whole thing through Boyd
instead of Emery....   Is something like that realistic?  Feeding whole nets
only.  Still I gotta hit Emery anyway for regional stuff.

 JS>Also, everyone doing routing would have to do likewise, so it would
 JS>be a problem for the other Zone Hubs and Region Hubs, too.

What would change (for whole nets that is) except on your end?

Well, it was a thought.  :-)

D.


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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 935
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93 11:35p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <03 Dec 93  00:23:23>, Boyd Goodin (1:3615/50) writes:

 BG>    Thanks for the encouragement hosser. I should of became a
 BG>doctor. I think it is less stressfull than this occupation.

That's a fact!  Patients aren't near as demanding as Sysops!


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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 936
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93 11:42p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <03 Dec 93  00:38:15>, Boyd Goodin (1:3615/50) writes:

 BG>I am not saying it cant be done. I have other priorities at the
 BG>moment. If John was to add all the nets than fine by me, I will
 BG>give it another try.

Understand, I can see John's problem.  Hadn't thought about all the individual
nodes you probably have to deal with.  Still for those of us that are feeding
whole nets it would be worthwhile, but there are other routes.  He he, John
still has to deal with us in that regard.

 BG>But nobody better start complaining if they
 BG>happen to get a few messages not address to thier system ending up
 BG>in thier netmail area.

WHAT!?! Us complain??  Never....   <smirk>

D.


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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 937
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93 11:40p
Subj: Re: Echo's                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <03 Dec 93  00:39:14>, Boyd Goodin (1:3615/50) writes:

 BG>> You're forgiven..... just as soon as I get my dish.   :-)
 BG>
 BG>    It was sent out yesterday.

May Santy Claus be extra kind to you and yours!  <G>

Thanks!

D.


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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 938
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/03/93  9:32p
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > What you need is KillerDOG and run this after Tossing and before packing
 > netmail.
 >
 > KillerDOG -d 3615/50 -m Grunged_Message



    Oh, okay, Ervin, thanks for the info.  :)


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 939
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93  9:34p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Now if I could only get people to stop sending local areas to me I think
 > I would be able to work on getting this routed netmail thing done,



    You mean you don't want to read/distribute the contents of our local
whips-n-chains echoes?  <G>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 940
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93  9:38p
Subj: Re: Dupes                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     Your welcome. By the way. Someone is dropping of a local echo and
 > while going thru my badecho area I noticed a few people talking about a
 > wedding. Nice half drawing of a wedding gown in one of them. You would
 > not be tying the knot by any chance?



    Hmmm, just checked our configurations here, Boyd, but it doesn't appear
that they're coming from us. Sounds like our R19SYSOP echo judging by the
contents you mentioned and yes, Remus and I are planning to get married
sometime in April or May at our Region 19 Poor Man's Fidocon & Lake Party.

    Heck, you could call it PR and join us for the wedding, Boyd, tentatively
to be held at Lake Somerville down near College Station, TX in Aggieland.  ;D


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 941
  To: GARY CHAMBERS                            Date: 12/03/93  9:41p
Subj: Assumption?                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Is it safe to assume that if this message is received by someone else,
 > that my net's echomail is being sent properly?  A reply would be nice...



    Just when you thought it was safe to...  whoops, wrong line.

    Yes, it's safe to assume that, Gary.  :)


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 942
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 12/04/93 11:34a
Subj: NEW BBS IN TOWN...                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I'm just 60 miles south of you (Fargo, ND) and build up hasn't been a
-> problem yet and it would have been last week, if ever. I do like the block
-> heater idea. They are available as large magnets that heat whatever they are
-> stuck too.

wow!  I (pardon this) was not aware that there were any decent BBS's in Fargo
<G>.. we have soooo many guys in Fargo calling us and subscribing to our system
.. I'll have to start letting them know your there so they can save a few LD
pennies.  What does your BBS have (down there <G>)?  Besides what the sat. is
now bringing us we're at 10+ gigs and 4 nodes (soon 10)... not too bad for such
a small town.

As for running the sat software I'm shelling out of PCBoard for now to an event
that runs it twice (just in case) then goes back to the BBS... until I get more
nodes I can't afford to lose one as we're extremely busy with just 4.

Anyway, thanks for the reply - I was starting to think the message did not get
out <G>.

-> I'm surprised you got independent node status. When I tried initially up
-> here, I got forced into the 288 net. John must be getting soft, but then
-> again he gave me a full feed. Nice guy.

ya I've been on FIDOnet here for 3 years now, but not very active.   All of us
here in Grand Forks are in the 1:14/6xx range of addresses ... I really never
concerned myself much with how I got it and what it means <G>...

Since I just joined this conference (and don't want to feel stupid more than
once) who is this John person you refer to?  I see his name all over the
place.. the only one I am familiar with at this time is Boyd.

Glad to hear from you way down there in Fargo hehehe.. I'll have to call your
BBS and check you out... ttyl

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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 943
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/03/93  2:39p
Subj: map.config                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Does anyone know exactly what usenet groups are coming down the satellite I
-> need to create a proper map.fido file for fredgate, and to Lance, your
-> batchfiles worked great!!!!! thanx very very much for the help..

I don't know, I had a few test groups come through a week ago, but none since
then.. I've been waiting for that service too...

I'm also waiting for RIME and ILink... both are supposedly to be online soon,
but haven't heard much about either..

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From: DALLAS HINTON                          Number: 944
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93  1:29p
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd -- on Dec 02 1993 at 23:42, you wrote:

BG>    One nice solution would be to have 10 systems, 6 in US
BG> and 4 in Canada, that each had a region and everone in each
BG> reagina would drop of mail to these systems instead of call
BG> directly to us. In turn we supply a number for the 10
BG> systems to drop off mail to us. We would not have a problem
BG> with routing then as I would only have 10 systems to set up
BG> and routing would be handle from each system to mine then
BG> routed to what every of the 10 systems that net is in. Oh
BG> well, I can dream though can't I?

You know, we have such a scheme already in place -- called the Regional Echo
Coordinator! :-)  You might consider getting them to help you set up such a
method?  I'd start with Adrian Walker, 153/752 -- he seems to be willing to
spend time organizing and sorting out, AND he's good at it! :-)



Cheers ... Dallas
RC 17 :-)

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 945
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/03/93 11:32p
Subj: FILEBONE AREAS                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Tuesday November 30 1993, Todd Lyons writes to Sarkutis Uranus:

Hello Todd!


 TL> Check your ACONFIG.SKY.  It should be very similar to this:

thanks for your rulebase list..i havent seen mention other than from your
message, of the new rulebases. Much appreciated..I wondered why the usenet
stuff was getting sent to NUL <grin>
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Friday December 03 1993

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 946
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/04/93  1:05p
Subj: HI!!                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd!!!

Just wanted to let you and everyone else know that
107/33 went live on the "bird" at 4am on 12/1/93.

In addition, 107/33 has been granted RHUB status
in Region 13. The node number will be 13/24.
I have a bit more work to do before I can
start picking up links. And, I need another phone
line run in.

To that end, I'll be ordering a new Hayes 28.8
modem so as to increase land line speed.

I also wanted to thank you and your staff for
helping me out during the setup phase.
I never did resolve the error I was having with
the PC software not always seeing the printer
port. The only way to solve that turned out
to be a motherboard change. When I switched
from a 386sx-40 to a 286-16, all started to work fine.
Maybe the sx40 was just a bit to fast??
Got me. Kept all the other hardware set the same.
Now it works, then it didn't (if I loaded in IPX).

Well, that's about it.
Looking forward to talking to ya!!

Fred


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From: RALPH LOBIANCO                         Number: 947
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 12/04/93  1:55p
Subj: Qfront                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Is anyone out there using QFRONT as a front end processor with the
-> satellite? We're considering a switch from D'Bridge (which takes *6*
-> hours per day on a 486).

Im useing Qfront on a 486/88 MHZ Vesa System and it flys.. It did about
a weeks worth of Fido mail in about 3 hours..

Ralph

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 948
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/04/93 12:46p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Dec 03, Dave Osborne of 1:123/301.8 wrote to John Souvestre:

 DO> Still, I wonder how many whole nets he's feeding via NECs or hub
 DO> level downlinks.  Like for Net 123, you could shove the whole
 DO> thing through Boyd instead of Emery....   Is something like that
 DO> realistic?  Feeding whole nets only.

Yes, but it's not trivial.  :-)

 DO> What would change (for whole nets that is) except on your end?

Everyone else who routed for that Net (the Zone Hubs and the Region Hubs in
that region) would also have to change their routing, along with Boyd.

John
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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 949
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/04/93  7:34p
Subj: List of File Areas                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,

    Could you post a listing of all the file areas that are
comming down of the bird??

Thanks,
Fred


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From: HIRAM BEMBRY                           Number: 950
  To: LARRY JAMES                              Date: 12/04/93  2:20a
Subj: Netmail                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>> Say hello to Veger:-)

BG>   Who's Veger?

Star Trek the Movie.....RIGHT!!!!!!!!!
But I believe it's Vger.

 ■ QMPro 1.50 74-7536 ■ 1 Minute Shut Mouth Worth 1 Hour Explanation

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From: HECTOR MANDEL                          Number: 951
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/04/93  1:28p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 03 03:50>, John Lyon of 1:2380/400 writes:

 JL> your
 JL>    startnet.bat that allows you to use each server as a drive
 JL> letter
 JL>    and each drive as a sub dir. Would that help ya?

What's the command????

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 952
  To: KYLE HEARN                               Date: 12/04/93  4:52p
Subj: PC Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

KH> Mickey Ferguson stated these words of wisdom to Bill
KH> Wolf:


KH> MF> Bill,

KH> MF> I've been running it under DV since mid Oct. with EXCELLENT
KH> MF> results. This on a little 386DX-40 with 5meg of RAM.

KH> MF> The latest release of the software is (for me) as stable &
KH> MF> error free under DV as it is under plain old DOS.

KH> MF> The use of 16550's is IMPERATIVE as is a FAST hard drive.

KH> How big of a drive do you need/recommend for this?

Kyle, I thought everyone knew that hard drives only come in one size.....TOO
SMALL!!! <GRIN>

I'm running a 180meg drive on the PC system.  That machine only runs a mail
only board and Planet Connect, so 180meg has been enough thus far.

Mickey

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 953
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/04/93  7:36a
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    I just saw a post today about an unknown command you use in
 > your startnet.bat that allows you to use each server as a drive
 > letter and each drive as a sub dir. Would that help ya?

It might help.  I'd be interested to see what you've got at any rate.

Thanks,

Ed

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 954
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 12/04/93  7:40a
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > If you run Lantastic you can remap all of the server's logical
 > drives to one drive letter on a workstation.  From that one drive letter
 > each of the server's drives appears as a different subdirectory.  Using
 > this method and multiple servers you could have around 676 CD-ROM's
 > online at one time.

I like it but unfortunately I'm running Netware Lite.  I may have to check out
Lantastic now!

Thanks for the info.

Ed

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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 955
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/04/93  1:18p
Subj: File Echos                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Out of curiosity do we need to contact all the file bone distributors if we
plan on carrying the files transmitted on our systems?

Or do we do it just out of common curtesy?

How is everyone else treating this?

Thanks
                 Laz

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 956
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/04/93  8:13p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD> written to do.  Would it be possible to configure it to stop
JD> tossing mail bundles during a PCUTIL NEXT4 command if it
JD> comes to a bundle that is missing?

Sure could, BUT the boys at PC have been known to miss a file now and then,
would be kind of dangerous to do because you could be waiting a whole week for
that file to come in.   ;-)

And I think there are a few sysops that would linch me if I made the program
do it.

John......

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 957
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/04/93  8:22p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Dec 03, Terry Blount of 1:3625/441 wrote to John Souvestre:

 TB>  One day a bunch of new  nodes  join  and  the  same  day
 TB> a
 TB>  bunch fall off.  So we have weekly node  updates  to  manage
 TB> the
 TB>  changes.

Right, and the Zone and Region Hubs could simply not keep up with all the
changes necessary to route to the individual nodes.

You need to work out your problem within your Net.  If you can't then appeal to
the next level above.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 958
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/04/93 11:00p
Subj: .NO                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Dec 03, Glenn Caleval of 1:140/72@fidonet wrote to John Souvestre:

 GC> How much of a problem would it be to put the CAN_MILITARY
 GC> conference into the .no file so it could get onto the sat.

Sorry.

 GC> I know the moderator is in the process of applying for bb status
 GC> tho.

Good.  :-)

John
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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 959
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/01/93 12:53a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> This sounds too simple... what am I missing......   :-)

Stop and think. Outbound Netmail should be a peach. But Inbound. Uh-uh. Where
you used to have

Route-To 1:249/1 1:249/ALL

you now run into

Route-To 1:249/1 1:249/AL
Except 1:249/304 300 301 302 303 305 306 307 308 309 201 ad nauseam.

And the worst of it is, EVERY system in the NET above the level of simple
node has to do this. Can you imagine the logistics of this........


We re-negotiated our participation in the 249 CRP due to us being LD to the
rest of the 249 net. We pay a vastly reduced fee as a subnet for routed netmail
and some local/regional conferences. And to reduce the possibility of
accidents, we are running split hubs. I hub all the Satellite stuff, the other
guy handles routed netmail and local/regional non-satellite stuff. Now if I
could just persuade Squish to quit grunging everybody elses packets we would be
all set.....
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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 960
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/03/93  9:29a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG> > I guess we'll just have to be patient . . . :-)
BG>
BG>    Getting there. Just got to kick them a few more
BG> times..........

I'm wondering how accurate they are.  Yesterday the map said that we weren't
supposed to get any snow, and it snowed last night.  The maps never were
updated every two hours, so it there was a change in forecast we didn't know.
BTW, weather is one of my specialties.  <G>



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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 961
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/04/93 12:12p
Subj: TICK PROCESSING SECRETS                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ervin!

01 Dec 93, Ervin Jay writes to Dennis Powers:

 EJ> Hello Dennis!

 EJ> Tuesday November 30 1993, Dennis Powers writes to John Burton:
 JB>>> to move the .?LO file, you'll see that TICK will then delete the
 JB>>> passthru file, leaving the .TIC only...
 DP>> IN i:\inbound\
 DP>> ZONE 1 i:\outbound\          <===== this is the outbound copymail sees
 DP>> ZONE 8 i:\outbound.008\      <===== the actual outbounds are on drive
 DP>> hold j:\netmail\tickhold\    <===== This is where Tick writes the
 DP>> *.Tic &

 EJ> But, how do you prevent tick, when run again in a few minutes from seeing
 EJ> the .PT files in the tick hold dir, then looking in I:\Outbound\, and
 EJ> seeing no FLO files with and pending file tsfsrs from deleting the PT's
 EJ> and the Passthru Files.  It will simply assume that everyone has already
 EJ> picked them up, since there are no FLO files remaining.

Never had the problem here....hmmm.. I only run tick once a day here and I
guess I've been lucky that I get all passthru files delivered prior to it's
next run.... This is going to take some thought.

-><-Dennis

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 962
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/04/93 12:16p
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

02 Dec 93, Boyd Goodin writes to Floyd Drennon:

 BG> also find time for a life. ;-)

While running a BBS ?  Can't happen [ROFL]!!

-><-Dennis

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 963
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/04/93 12:41p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

03 Dec 93, Boyd Goodin writes to Dennis Powers:

 BG>    He would have to put every system that calls me in his route statement
 BG> too , wouldn't he?

If He was to route return mail through you.  But the return doesn't necessarly
have to follow the same path, and shouldn't be returned through you.  What he
would need (and most likely already has) would be the routing for the net's.
eg: Route 1:141/All 151/All ..... and so on...

It _can_ be done but I agree with you that the first priority is the have the
echo mail flowing smoothly.  What everyone must remember is that no one is
*required* to route outbound netmail that they didn't agree to.  If it's
important send it CRASH.

 >> I would also suggest that you start using session passwords for all mail
 BG>    We are. Starting Sunday if nobody has a session password they wont be

I haven't checked my netmail yet but... I assume you have sent notifications to
each node informing us what they are :).

Keep up the good work.

-><-Dennis

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 964
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 12/04/93  1:42p
Subj: Size Of Squish Bundles                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn!

Tuesday November 30 1993, Glenn Vermette writes to Ervin Jay:

 EJ>> DOS sizemail -cD:\Bink\sizemail.cfg

 GV> Could you elaborte on this a bit more?  I have several downlinks that
 GV> intake between 2 and 3.5 megs per day, and the way I have it set up right
 GV> now, it just keeps adding and adding to the bundle until the next day
 GV> comes.  So I have a 3.5 meg bundle of mail.  I'd like to put these in 500K
 GV> or so bundles...but I can't seem to figure out how it is done.  Not to
 GV> mention as my inbound daily dump arrives it takes longer and longer to add
 GV> to bundles that grow bigger and bigger.

Well, SIZEMAIL is a program that is needs to be run each time Squish drops out
to pack out going packets.  This is accomplished by running it from your Squish
ROUTE.CFG using the `DOS' verb as structured above.

This creates a ???.TMP directory off of the directory containing you normal
Outbound.  if your normal outbounf is D:\Bink\Outbound\Out sizemail will put
the bundles it finds into a dir called D:\Bink\Outbound\Out.TMP.

If the Bundle is equal to or larger than the defined size (on a nodexnode
basis) in its config file, it moves the bunde to this .TMP dir, truncating the
original so Squish can increment the extension counter.  Sizemail also correts
the FLO file entry to point to this bundle in the .TMP directory and changes
the # (tuncate flag) to ^ (delete flag).

Squish tosses more mail, archiving into a new bundle facilitated by the
previously truncated one, premitting it to increment the digit.

Another good one that works very well albeit a bit differently than Sizemail is
COPYMAIL, but is run in exactly the same manner, from ROUTE.CFG using the `DOS'
verb.   You would point Squish to an outbound area totally different from the
one Binkley sees.  Every time Squish archives mail it creates an .??0 bundle.
Then CopyMail is run which looks in its control file and copy appends the new
Bundle and .?LO file to that already in your Bink outbound.

(if the resultant file would be larger then MaxSize the new bundle is split
'tween the prev and a new one)

In this case it is CopyMail that is incrementing the Bundle Digit,
and it obeys Bink .BSY flags.  If a node is "on line" it can be setup to WAIT
till they are gone or skip and catch it next time.

    WAIT, draw back, the system is waiting, doing nothing
    Catch it Next time, draw back, the bundle

Another nice util for busy Hubs is called AutoMail.  With this one all mail
going to downlinks is created as HOLD.  The Automail.CTL file contains a list
of the Nodes you wish to control as well as a Size.  Then, after all mail is
processed, and if the mail for a given node is equal to or greater in size
than specified in the control file, it is changed from HOLD to CRASH.

I like thiks one as it stops my system from calling out multiple times a day to
deliver 1k bundles... :))  If they want it more often, they can poll for it,
other wise it stays on hold 'till it reaches 50k

File: AUTOMAIL.ZIP   26,063 04-15-91
Desc: AUTOmail v1.0, Holds mail till enough to call out

File: CPML-122.ZIP   31,210 09-15-93
Desc: COPYMAIL is used in MTask/Lan Env, Mail is Copied, under control,
      from Processing Dir to Outbound

File: SIZMAIL2.ZIP   18,719 12-31-90
Desc: Control Arcmail Bundle Sizes

This one is written by one of the Hubs here in 153 and allows you to move mail
into your processing directory xbytes at a time if you do not want to unarchive
8.5 megs of bundles all at once :))  There was another util I tried to use, but
it moved the files at random, this one always moves the oldest first and exits
with varying errorlevels allowing you to take appropriate action on finding a
bundle that was to large etc etc.....

File: PUNTMAIL.ZIP   5,030  10-27-93
Desc: Move Files/Mail (Oldest First) xxxx Bytes at a time

Cheers, Ervin

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 965
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/04/93  2:20p
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Friday December 03 1993, Boyd Goodin writes to Ervin Jay:

 >> If I were there, I would be only to happy to drop by and jave a look see,
 >> but...  it's a bit far to travle, and I am sure there must be someone
 >> local that knows how to do this.

 BG>    Your concept is correct so John would have to add all nets that we feed
 BG> so that anything he gets for this node would be sent to me and I would put
 BG> it on hold for him. Since we have some nets and a lot of indevidual nodes
 BG> receiving systems he would have to add each node to his routing file.
 BG> Wonder if he would do that.

No, you would route all netmail arriving at 3615/50 to 396/1 who in turn would
route to whatever the normal methods would be, if not via an echomail chain,
then via the *C chain.

The nets/nodes dropping off echomail to 3615/50 could then drop off their
outgoing routed netmail which would get routed onwards.

They would have to make other arrangements for inbound netmail, but the *C
chain was doing the routed netmail thing l-o-n-g before the echo jockeys
provided the service.

Cheers, Ervin

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 966
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/04/93 11:46a
Subj: map.config                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Guy VanDell:

TL> This is what has come over so far.  The usenet bundles have
TL> stopped for now though.  I haven't seen anything since last
TL> Sunday.

Perhaps hen things start flowing we can ask boyd to post an ACTIVE file or a
NEWSRC file to the datastream for us to use in configuring the usenet feed?

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 967
  To: KEITH SIPPY                              Date: 12/04/93  4:50p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <02 Dec 93  10:43:22>, Keith Sippy (1:283/121) writes:

 KS>What about the other two stars?  They'd have to change their
 KS>routing too.

Point is takin.  It's just too complicated.  I can understand what John was
talking about.

Oh well.

D.


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From: TOM JONES                              Number: 968
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/04/93  7:44p
Subj: Re: C or Ku?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I am using C band so I can't help you there. I was able
 > to pick up a used one for a pretty good price. Has the
 > motor and even a video. This way when the wind mannages
 > to nudge the dish I can bring her back in line.

I am using the Ku with the "better" LNB.  I have had only
a few weather related problems...VERY hard rain makes the
signal go away, but what the hay, the files and mail are
sent over and over, so I get them when it lets up.  As I
write this, it is raining and the wind is gusting to 47 MPH
and I have had no errors since around 10am (it is now about
8pm).
Tom



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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 969
  To: RALPH LOBIANCO                           Date: 12/05/93  5:25p
Subj: Qfront                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Im useing Qfront on a 486/88 MHZ Vesa System and it flys.. It did about a
-> weeks worth of Fido mail in about 3 hours..

Are you able to feed others with this product,  and will it work on
multi-nodes?  I'm looking to get rid of DBRIDGE, which is falling too far
behind in the times to be practical.

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From: RANDY SHERWYN                          Number: 970
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 12/05/93  9:37p
Subj: PLANET CONNECT ECHO                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I'm certain we have lots more fun ahead.

Great... Thats why I am here and keep doing the *C things....

BTW, Thanks for all your hard work and continued dedication to our hobby. Many
times efforts such as yours go un-noticed...

Randy
*ASTRO* BBS

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From: RANDY SHERWYN                          Number: 971
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/05/93  9:39p
Subj: Is anyone out there?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > stuff, work on other networks, look into a europe feed, and
 > also find time for a life. ;-)

Sorry Boyd, you need to choose. Sysop or a Life. You choose. :>)

Randy
*ASTRO* BBS
Ft. Myers, FL

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From: RANDY SHERWYN                          Number: 972
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/05/93  9:43p
Subj: ECHO'S                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    Havent talked with them. WGA should be going over any
 > day now. Also a sports online magazine.

Cool. I am good friends with Craig and I use his stuff all the time and it is
top notch for us Sports nuts..!

Thanks for getting him on line..will save me $$ on Ma Bell!

Randy
*ASTRO* BBS
Ft. Myers, FL

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 973
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 12/05/93  4:25p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JM>JD> written to do.  Would it be possible to configure it to stop
JM>JD> tossing mail bundles during a PCUTIL NEXT4 command if it
JM>JD> comes to a bundle that is missing?

JM>Sure could, BUT the boys at PC have been known to miss a file
JM>now and then, would be kind of dangerous to do because you
JM>could be waiting a whole week for that file to come in.   ;-)

If it could be optional I'd still like to have it do that.  I plan to wait till
the missing file comes in and if it's not there by the second pass, I'll
file-request it from Boyd.  Either way, I'd want the option to stop processing
until I either got the file or manually bypassed it.

JM>And I think there are a few sysops that would linch me if I
JM>made the program do it.

Only if that was the only option that they were given.  A command line option
would seem a good way for everyone to be happy.  I'd sure appreciate the
option, myself.

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 974
  To: NORMAND MARINEAU                         Date: 12/06/93 12:30a
Subj: Re: FrancoMedia                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hello Boyd, I bought a Disk Package with one year site feed, I
> receive
> correctly all the files, but I found not the file of Network FrancoMedia
> and I
> bougth that for to have this Network. When I want receive this Network
> ???


    We are revamping some of our ploicies on nets that want to be distributed
over the satellite. I will be talking with them at FrancoMedia and will
hopefully have it up on the bird.

..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 975
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/06/93 12:31a
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I carry all of the NA and NO areas.  I have you connected to all of them.
> :-)

    I did say I am sorry to everyone about that!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 976
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/06/93 12:32a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> to route anything you receive through me.  It will then follow the
> conventional Backbone echomail channels to its destination.

    Ok. now everyone listen up. I wiltake you stuff and pass it on. But if the
format is bad and it ends up not being forwarded to John I will be deleting it.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 977
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/06/93 12:36a
Subj: Re: Echo's                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I've heard of that SOC_ROOT. Isn't it a genealogy echo? Probably one I'd
> want too :-)) Heck, just throw it in Boyd, we can figure it out <grin>.


    Yea then I would have everyone out there after my white head!

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 978
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/06/93 12:44a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> If we push you into managing yet one more thing before you are ready we
> might overload the human systems which inevitably leads to a breakdown in
> the technical systems :-)


    Or a break down in my brian. :-)


....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 979
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/06/93 12:50a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> That wasn't what I was talking about.  I'm sure you have gotten many
> netmail messages asking questions and placing orders for a sat modem or
> to subscribe to PC.  I would guess that a large number of those messages
> came to you via routed netmail.  Had you not gotten them your business
> would not have grown as fast.

   Sorry. Not from routed netmail. I receive very few ones here. If they want
info I send it direct to them. It is surprising what you get when you advertise
in magazines and have a both at ONEBBSCON.

> Me too.  But I am sure you _PICK UP_ some routed net mail
> messages that are were routed to you.   That is what I wanted to be able
> do.

    Yes and I get them from MY hub not from John.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 980
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/06/93 12:53a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> My point is that he is already sending it  _somewhere_.  If  that
> somewhere is to you and you put it on hold that should solve  the
> problem.

   And that _somewhere_ is not me. You are asking fidonet's routing structure
to basically change. This is a lot of work.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 981
  To: BARRY CASSETTY                           Date: 12/06/93 12:55a
Subj: Re: gmd netmail                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Thanks........We didn't get any today..11/29

  Your welcome.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 982
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/06/93 12:57a
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Not a bad idea for you to have 10 HUBs throughout the country for people
> to call into.  They could also be a bank for mail and files for those who

   Someday, someday........

>>    Please dont give me all the credit. Joe Overhold founded this

> That's Overholt..........<g>   Good thing Joe has a sense of humor.

    Hope he never caught that one. He would never let me live it down. He said
he is going to buy me a spell checker for Xmas. Go figure?


....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 983
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/06/93  1:00a
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Now, isn't that what I predicted would be the most efficient scheme in
> the TVRO echo? <grin> And didn't you just sit by while I got trashed for
> eve suggesting it <Bigger grin>.

   Opps! Sorry can be in every place at the right time. Did you take it
gracefully? ;-)


> It not only will "fix" problems of routing, it will improve access for
> inbound echomail.

   Dont dream too much. It might become reality one of these days.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 984
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/06/93  1:01a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> As an aside, Boyd, it might make sense to do the conversion on your end
> if there was general acceptance of receiving it in RIP *instead* of the
> .pcx, because it would dramatically reduce the size of the files
> transferred and hence free up a few minutes of the data stream.

   Naw we will JPEG em then you will all have to use ROBO/FX! ;-)


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 985
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/06/93  1:05a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I have tried and my efforts are failures.  Any suggestions on a
> program name to convert them.

   The new RIPPAINT does allow you to take a PCX file and convert it to an icon
right? I also heard that you can make that icon as big as you want right?

   THis is just what I heard now folks. 

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 986
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/06/93  1:07a
Subj: Re: TVAGENT                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> somewhat nullifies your reasons for including it.  Could you perhaps
> reconsider and find some other way of protecting your interests with
> regards to TVAGENT?


   Patty, I am talking with the boss on that and hopefully we can find a
sollution to this problem.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 987
  To: JERRY SCROGGIN                           Date: 12/06/93  1:08a
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> yes and yes...I even put the dips back to the default suggested in the
> txt that you sent down..thinking that was it.. the latest software seems
> to be more susceptible (sp?) to errors..

  Did you make sure that you are locked on satellite. Make sure that the
polorization is horizonal.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 988
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/06/93  1:10a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> That's a fact!  Patients aren't near as demanding as Sysops!

   Ahhhh, the good old days when I still had brown hair........


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 989
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/06/93  1:11a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> routes.  He he, John still has to deal with us in that regard.


   God bless him!

> WHAT!?! Us complain??  Never....   <smirk>

   Yep. By the way, whats the problem with bink that you cant connect with
D'bridge on the ISDN line?

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 990
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/06/93  1:13a
Subj: Re: Echo's                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> May Santy Claus be extra kind to you and yours!  <G>
                                           ^^^^^^
                       There is only ME! So I want MORE!

    Nothing a few good bottles of JB wont fix...



...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 991
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/06/93  1:13a
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> You mean you don't want to read/distribute the contents of our local
> whips-n-chains echoes?  <G>


     Almost as good as the Playboy channel...


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 992
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/06/93  1:15a
Subj: Re: Dupes                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hmmm, just checked our configurations here, Boyd, but it doesn't
> appear

   No its not.

> sometime in April or May at our Region 19 Poor Man's Fidocon & Lake
> Party.

   May have to go to that.



> to be held at Lake Somerville down near College Station, TX in Aggieland.
> ;D

    Heck the boss wont even let me have a day off let alone go to Texas!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 993
  To: DALLAS HINTON                            Date: 12/06/93  1:16a
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> You know, we have such a scheme already in place -- called the Regional
> Echo Coordinator! :-)  You might consider getting them to help you set up
> such a method?  I'd start with Adrian Walker, 153/752 -- he seems to be
> willing to spend time organizing and sorting out, AND he's good at it!
> :-)


   Yep i know. This is for the furture when I have time to die my hair back to
its original color.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 994
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/06/93  1:19a
Subj: Re: HI!!                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hi Boyd!!!

> Just wanted to let you and everyone else know that
> 107/33 went live on the "bird" at 4am on 12/1/93.

   Welcome aboard.

> To that end, I'll be ordering a new Hayes 28.8
> modem so as to increase land line speed.

   Should have it soon too.

> I also wanted to thank you and your staff for
> helping me out during the setup phase.
> I never did resolve the error I was having with
> the PC software not always seeing the printer
> port. The only way to solve that turned out
> to be a motherboard change. When I switched
> from a 386sx-40 to a 286-16, all started to work fine.
> Maybe the sx40 was just a bit to fast??
> Got me. Kept all the other hardware set the same.
> Now it works, then it didn't (if I loaded in IPX).

   Computers are wierd aren't they. Its like they have a mind of thier own.
Glad we could help.


...Boyd

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 995
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/04/93  1:22p
Subj: RE: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount wrote in a message to MARTIN BELCKE:

TB>  This conference is used for "conducting business" as well
TB> as  the  support conference for Us Robotics,  WordPerfect,
TB> Desqview,  and  Windows has  at  least  four  (4)
TB> conferences  with a  _TON_  of  messages!  NOT to mention at
TB> least 20  conferences  that  promote  commercial BBS
TB> programs  ...you mean to  tell  me  that  you  are  willing
TB> to carry all that echo  mail  containing  promotions  and
TB> update info, pricing, customer support, etc...  but  if a
TB> routed  netmail message needs to pass through your system
TB> you  would  be  _disturb_ if it contained info that would
TB> make a customer  happy?

No netmail......echomail of info or benefit to all is not so bad.....but
routing commercial netmail is a no no.....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 996
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/05/93  3:31p
Subj: HI!!                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Fred Seibel wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

FS> I also wanted to thank you and your staff for
FS> helping me out during the setup phase.
FS> I never did resolve the error I was having with
FS> the PC software not always seeing the printer
FS> port. The only way to solve that turned out
FS> to be a motherboard change. When I switched
FS> from a 386sx-40 to a 286-16, all started to work fine.

Hmmmm intresting....I too run a 386sx-40....and have similar problems
-but- only with the network software loaded....When I dont load the network it
never fails.....I worked around it by having it only load the network when all
files have been recieved and rebooting afterwards.

FS> Maybe the sx40 was just a bit to fast??
FS> Got me. Kept all the other hardware set the same.
FS> Now it works, then it didn't (if I loaded in IPX).

Yup.....If you would have just used a batch file to load the network using
PCUTIL's errorlevels for all files recieved then rebooted afterwards things
probably would have been fine.

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 997
  To: RALPH LOBIANCO                           Date: 12/05/93  3:36p
Subj: Qfront                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ralph Lobianco wrote in a message to Mike Labbe:

-> Is anyone out there using QFRONT as a front end processor with the
-> satellite? We're considering a switch from D'Bridge (which takes *6*
-> hours per day on a 486).

RL> Im useing Qfront on a 486/88 MHZ Vesa System and it flys..
                          ^^^^^^
I hope you mean 66 :)

[e-mail]

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 998
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/05/93 12:40p
Subj: RIME                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd!

 Any idea on when RIME will start feeding? Thanks!

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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 999
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/05/93  4:05p
Subj: TICK PROCESSING SECRETS                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > But, how do you prevent tick, when run again in a few minutes from
 > seeing the .PT files in the tick hold dir, then looking in
 > I:\Outbound\, and seeing no FLO files with and pending file tsfsrs
 > from deleting the PT's and the Passthru Files.  It will simply
 > assume that everyone has already picked them up, since there are no
 > FLO files remaining.

My problem exactly, Ervin....

I've "solved" it by running TICK when I bring TBBS down to scan for outbound
echomail.

That way, TICK only looks at "real" outbound areas, not dummy areas built for
CopyMail's use...

I guess what we need is a network aware TICK proggie... One that reads/writes
.BSY flags, and utilizes a staging area....

                                --==jb==--

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 1000
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/30/93  6:02p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

Thursday November 25 1993 10:44, Terry Blount wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 TB>  Thanks...  now if you could only  fix  it  so  that  we  can  use
 TB>  routed net mail through your system and pick it up when  we  call
 TB>  in with our reply mail.  I polled my old hub a few days  ago  and
 TB>  found about 15 routed netmail  messages  that  had  been  waiting
 TB>  there for over a month.  Needless to say that I lost  some  sales
 TB>  that could have helped me pay my Planet Connect subscription  fee
 TB>  <grin>. It is really difficult to  try  to  teach  everyone  that
 TB>  CRASH netmail is the ONLY option that is now  available  to  most
 TB>  of us who are using  Planet  Connect.   Since  EVERY  moderator's
 TB>  most frequently posted message is  "Take  this  to  netmail"   we
 TB>  really need to get routed netmail working  properly  so  that  we
 TB>  can pick it up when we poll you.  I'm sure you are aware  of  the
 TB>  effects it would have on your business if routed netmail did  not
 TB>  work.

Routed netmail is NOT to be used for commercial purposes.  You, of all folks,
should know that, Terry.  The CD-ROM folks are creating quite a stir at the
RC/ZC level, and the result may not be something you like.  That's why I quit
advertising to FidoNet SysOps.

Dave Reed
CD-ROM International

... Beavis and Butt-Head in '96!

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 1001
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/04/93  9:44a
Subj: PROBLEM WITH PTCCMAIN                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry,

-> HH> Just wondering how your proposed file move works. <grin>

-> In Pascal you can simply move a file without moving the data like
-> this:      {$i-}
->   Rename( TheFile,  'C:\NewDir\NewName.xyz' );
->       {$i+}
->   If Ioresult = 17 Then Manually_copy_the_data... because you
->   were not currently on the same drive.

That function in not inherent to Pascal, but a Pascal call to a basic
DOS Rename File Interrupt request. It doesn't modify the FAT, it just
rewrites the directory entry for the file and but keeps the same data
chain pointers. Thus no data movement. However moving data from drive to
drive, requires rewriting the data, since the data chain pointers
wouldn't be the same. I always wondered why DOS doesn't allow it's
RENAME command to have the same functionality as it's internal RENAME
interrupt request.

Regards,
Hans
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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 1002
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/04/93  9:49a
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Patty,

-> somewhat nullifies your reasons for including it.  Could you perhaps
-> reconsider and find some other way of protecting your interests with
-> regards to TVAGENT?

I totally agree, this TV stuff is only worth a DEL *.* and runs up our
Satellite connect cost <g> I hope it isn't costing Planet Connect
anything to obtain it.

Regards,
Hans
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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1003
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/04/93 10:30a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Basically, there isn't any reason you can't route netmail recieved via
> landline via John's system.

 BG>    Ok. Tell me this. WHERE are the replies (coming
 BG> back) going to be routed to? Even John told me this is one way.

Nobody said anything about you routing netmail back down to the end nodes,
although this is feasible.  Be fun to keep up with it though as the zone hubs
would have to be in on it.

What is being asked is for you to route netmail received by your downlinks when
they call to drop off their return echomail to John for delivery back down the
chain.


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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1004
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/04/93 10:36a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> <toss inbound mail, do not pack>
> <MsgTrack>
> Send xxxx 3615/50
> Route Hold 396/1 1:All 2:All 3:All 4:All 5:All 6:All
 BG>
 BG>   Thats what I had except for the MsgTrack and I did not see one routed
 BG> netmail flow back to me from John for one of the
 BG> systems. Why is this? because the reply would follow

Again, we are not talking about you receiving routed netmail _from_ John.  But
there isn't any reason you can't route netmail received at your system _to_
John...



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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1005
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 12/05/93  1:27p
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > GMD will send a message whenever he DELETES a message, Patty..
 > REGARDLESS of any of the exclude parameters...



    Makes sense, per P4, I guess, John.  Thanks for the info.  :)


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1006
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 12/05/93  1:28p
Subj: TICK PROCESSING SECRETS                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Film at 11.....



    Shouldn't that be .Gif at 11?


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1007
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/05/93  1:28p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Not since it has gone down.



    Ack!  Your regional feed has gone down?


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1008
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/05/93  1:29p
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Patty, I think he was complaining earlier that his NC just went down.
 > Who knows, maybe he'll be the next NC?



    Could be, but then he'd still have to maintain some type of regional feed,
likely LD, both for himself and his net.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                       Number: 1009
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/05/93  9:10a
Subj: IS ANYONE OUT THERE?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 2 Dec 93 11:24pm, Boyd Goodin wrote to Floyd Drennon:

 BG>     Now if I could only get people to stop sending local areas to me I
 BG>     think I would be able to work on getting this routed netmail thing
 BG>     done, finalize the Usenet stuff, work on other networks, look into
 BG>     a europe feed, and also find time for a life. ;-)

Sorry Boyd, but in the contract I signed there was nothing about you finding
time for a life!  Seriously now, a couple of questions.  Is it me or have you
stopped sending the usenet test?  I haven't received anything in days and
haven't seen anyone else mention it (I know it was only temporary).

Also, don't forget about the WINNET files that have the 'lost' TICs.

SEBASTIAN ACOSTA

... Happy as a Pig in Mud!
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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 1010
  To: RIC WALSH                                Date: 12/03/93  3:54p
Subj: Qfront                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ML> Is anyone out there using QFRONT as a front end processor with the ML>
-> satellite? We're considering a switch from D'Bridge (which takes *6* hours
-> ML> per day on a 486).

I'm using QFront and am having NO problems whatsoever.. he is updating things
so that the password system works better, but for now things are super.. and
fast.

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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 1011
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/03/93  7:35p
Subj: PCBoard Files ..                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I get this FILEBONE.NA file that has info in it about different files available
.. I noted that PCBoard has a nice list of utilities and doors but that we are
to request this service.. I have no clue how to go about requesting this but I
do know that if we're getting Wildcat and Spitfire stuff that it would be nice
to get PCBoard stuff (since there will be a large number of PCB systems on
Planet Connect if not already, very soon).  I personally would like to see lots
of files coming through, but if we have to keep the numbers down I'd surely
give up Wildcat and Spitfire files for PCBoard files <G> (sorry WC and SF
sysops) since I end up nuking them anyway.

Just an opinion... don't know how those files are chosen but wanted to voice
and opinion.. maybe someone can fill me in on just what/where and how that file
system works?  I've looked all over for some form of documentation for things
like that but have yet to find anything.

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1012
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/05/93 10:14a
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I would pay to get it from the same place I leave off my mail.

Not I.  At present I spend $.10 * 30 days or roughly $3.00 per month to pick
up our net's routed netmail.  Unless Boyd can meet or beat that price, I would
probably say that "I hope you were being sarcastic?? :)"

If you wish to establish a routed netmail feed, contact John Knox at 1:147/7.
If you ask him ever so nicely, he might allow you to have your net's netmail
route through him.  He connects direct with John every day and so can do what
you're asking Boyd to do.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1013
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/05/93 10:27a
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Humm..... do I smell an opportunity for business?  <grin>
 > I would pay to get it from the same place I leave off my mail.
 > --- timEd-A10c
 >  * Origin: Center  of  the  Cosmos   205-824-2611 (1:3625/441)

Terry, I got this (and every other message that you wrote) twice.  Here are
the two info boxes on the message above, and if you want, I can put some info
up on it:

╒════════════════════════╡ Notes ╞═╕
│                                  │
│ MSGID: 1:3625/441.0 cff63d33     │
│ REPLY: 1:396/1 2cfed606          │
│ PATH: 3625/441 3615/50 3807/100  │
│                                  │
╘══════════════════════════════════╛
╒════════════════════════╡ Notes ╞═╕
│                                  │
│ MSGID: 1:3625/441.0 cff63d33     │
│ REPLY: 1:396/1 2cfed606          │
│ PATH: 3625/441 3615/50 3807/100  │
│                                  │
╘══════════════════════════════════╛

Maybe it's something on my end.  Never know <sigh>

see ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1014
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 12/05/93 10:30a
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > message, of the new rulebases. Much appreciated..I wondered why the
 > usenet stuff was getting sent to NUL <grin>

Hmmm if it wasn't in there, it shouldn't have been going to NUL.  It should
have defaulted to the c:\skydata subdirectory.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1015
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 12/05/93 10:36a
Subj: map.config                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TL> This is what has come over so far.  The usenet bundles have
 > TL> stopped for now though.  I haven't seen anything since last
 > TL> Sunday.
 >
 > Perhaps hen things start flowing we can ask boyd to post an ACTIVE file
 > or a NEWSRC file to the datastream for us to use in configuring the
 > usenet feed?

Good idea.  Boyd:  Make that two votes <g>  I don't know which software you're
using to gate it, but would it be hard to whip up a quick routine to scan your
config files and pull out all area info?  Then you can simply use XROBOT or
something similar to post it to the PCSTAT area or whatever the heck you wanna
call it.  If need be, I could write a program that would do it, but it'll be
in QuickBasic ;)  I don't know any other languages well enough to do that

See ya                                                           Todd

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From: TIMOTHY WAGONER                        Number: 1016
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/05/93 11:41a
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am now set up for Planet Connect am am testing to see if the echomail
goes through.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1017
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/05/93 12:28p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Souvestre wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

JS> Right, and the Zone and Region Hubs could simply not keep up
JS> with all the changes necessary to route to the individual
JS> nodes.

So the bottom line is that we can't exchange routed netmail with the hub where
we upload our echo mail.

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From: RICHARD BASH                           Number: 1018
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/04/93  3:04p
Subj: Creating a network                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > Boyd, like others, I would like to see a true solution to this
-> > issue of routed netmail rather than simply not dealing with it. We
-> > extremely pleased with your concept (actually bought and installed
->
->    One nice solution would be to have 10 systems, 6 in US and 4 in Ca
-> each had a region and everone in each reagina would drop of mail to t
-> systems instead of call directly to us. In turn we supply a number fo
-> systems to drop off mail to us. We would not have a problem with rout
-> as I would only have 10 systems to set up and routing would be handle
-> system to mine then routed to what every of the 10 systems that net i
-> well, I can dream though can't I?


     A better alternative would be for PC to donate a satellite
system to each of the three U.S. Zone Hubs (incorrectly called
stars; referring to George Peace, John Souvestre, and Dave James),
wouldn't it? Then it would seem to be a simple matter for them to
feed you. Better that and preserve the existing network than to
create an entirely new one. A lot fewer headaches, I would think.
Routing is not hard if you route to John. That sounds like a
one-liner in the routing statement. Might be something to
consider.


->
-> > On another, more upbeat note, can you please tell us something
-> > about yourself, how this all started, etc. One of our group asked a
-> > we said we did not know but that I would make inquiries. A little
->
->    Nope, I like keeping things a mystery. All I can say is that I am
-> old, single, and my hair is turning white from this job! ;-)


OK, that slams the door on that. Not answering a simple question
will definitely keep things a mystery. No sweat. Your call. Of
course the member of the group will question that but I'll pass
on your quote.


->
-> > history might be of interst to the other folks as well. What does
-> > management at the shop-at-home channel you are working for think of
-> > of this? When did you first get the idea? You are obviously an
->
->   Could not tell you about what they think. We are two different comp
-> founded by the same person. Joe Overhold works more of a consultant t
-> nowadays. Shop At Home just uplinks our signal. I dont work for them.
-> could not afford me!


So, Joe Overhold is the owner/founder of Shop At Home as well as
Planet Connect? That's reassuring, if I understand it correctly.
Adds stability. I see that he is not in the Fido nodelist. How
does one get hold of Joe?


-> Please dont give me all the credit. Joe Overhold founded this and
-> work for him a year ago today. I mainly worked on the Skylink project
-> take care of the technical aspects of Planet Connect. Which of course
-> taking care of the computers and stuff at the uplink. Joe is the one
-> ideas, I just keep everything running a smooth as I can.


Well, we are all pleased with the good job you and Joe have done. It
has brought Fidonet a new technology. You guys are to be commended.


-> I am not giving it up! Giving up is not in my vocabulary! JUst goi
-> a while thats all. Who knows, maybe someday this 10 system idea will
-> operation.


Again, it seems to this writer to be a lot of unnecessary work.
If there was a way to utilize the existing structure (and perhaps
there is not; John Souvestre, what are your thought?) it might be
advantageous to you.

Again, we are all very pleased and look forward to expansion of the
Planet Connect system/program.


Regards,


Poor Richard...


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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1019
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 12/03/93 10:37p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Wow, it poured for two days up here with high winds. Thanks a lot,
-> Buddy!!! <G>

Hang onto your hat Mike, high winds as a ton of rain starting tonight. That
should bring you some lovely white snow in a week or so.

Let me know what you think of that message Winter Diary that I sent you in
RIME's Netadmin. I sent it R/O Routed but until Kip fixes the return receipts I
won't know if you got it or not.....

-> Looks like you got it set up great... Coming in loud and clear

Not exactly. I'm receiving this feed via Fido but it won't be long, after the
holidays, I'll be pulling this down (with EVERYTHING else) myself.

A few of the locals chipped in and bought their own C-Band (10 foot dish)
system and P_C's decoder and are starting to get their first feed. I'll see how
their system works and also Bob Hunter (CHEMEK in RIME) just ordered the 3 foot
Ku-Band system to use in Salem which is 35 miles south of me. Now I'll be able
to see if Ku-band works in my area or not with P_C's bird and will make my
choice at that time. I'd rather a 3 or better yet, 4 foot Ku band due to the
smaller size but I'll go with what works in my area and I'm sure looking
forward to it too!

MA

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From: RICHARD BASH                           Number: 1020
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 12/04/93  3:34p
Subj: Any problems?                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  >     What are you folks using in Calgary? C or Ku? If Ku, any
->  > problems?
->
-> Richard, I'm at about the same latitude to you here in Ottawa, and I'
-> perfect reception.


Any snow problems? You did not specify which size dish you are using
(2 or 3 footer).


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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 1021
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/05/93 12:35p
Subj: update                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

     Can someone give me an update on how Planet Connect is operating these
days?

     1)  How often is fresh mail put into the cycle?

     2)  Besides Fidonet Backbone echos and the FileBone files, what else is
being transmitted?

     3)  What (if any) are the proposed changes to the above?

     Thanks!


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From: KYLE HEARN                             Number: 1022
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/05/93 11:00p
Subj: PC Software                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mickey Ferguson stated these words of wisdom to Kyle Hearn:

KH> MF> The use of 16550's is IMPERATIVE as is a FAST hard drive.

KH> How big of a drive do you need/recommend for this?

MF> Kyle, I thought everyone knew that hard drives only come in
MF> one size.....TOO SMALL!!! <GRIN>

Tell me about it. That monster 1.2 I bought a few weeks ago had 1000 mb free
this morning. After putting unix on it, it has 800 less than it did earlier.

MF> I'm running a 180meg drive on the PC system.  That machine
MF> only runs a mail only board and Planet Connect, so 180meg
MF> has been enough thus far.

I wish I could get away with that. My current message bbs takes up around
200MB!

                               Kyle

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1023
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/05/93 10:02a
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I finally found the G-4 satellite and began receiving data about 10 days
ago.  I have a few questions! <g>

I have a dedicated machine receiving the satellite data, configured as a
Lantastic server.  This works fine.  I am looking for a way to automate
the processing of the data.  I have tried running PCUTIL from a
workstation (which is my BBS) .. but cannot get it to work properly.
PCUTIL works fine if I take down the satellite software and run it from
the server.  Any ideas?   Does anyone have a way of dealing with
incoming satellite data ... without manual intervention! Thanks for your
help!

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1024
  To: HECTOR MANDEL                            Date: 12/05/93 12:52p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> In a msg on <Dec 03 03:50>, John Lyon of 1:2380/400 writes:
->
->  JL> your
->  JL>    startnet.bat that allows you to use each server as a drive
->  JL> letter
->  JL>    and each drive as a sub dir. Would that help ya?
->
-> What's the command????

  I haven't seen it documented anywhere, so don't know if I should be
  telling the world about it <g> - Just kidding - hope it isn't a "hole"
  that Artisoft plugs after this!

 I stumbled across this by accident, but it works like a champ.  When
 you connect to the server(s) with the NET USE command, DON'T specify
 the drive name on the server - just specify the drive letter you want
 to access it under and the server name, WITHOUT A SERVER DRIVE NAME.
     NET USE P: //SERVER1
 All of the drives on the server will show up as directories on that
 drive (ie: the 7 drives on SERVER1 in the above command would show as
 p:/drivename directories).  You can then switch to the individual
 directory names to access each individual drive.  Hope that helps!

 John....


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1025
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 12/05/93 12:57p
Subj: NEW NODE GETTING THIS ECH               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  > your startnet.bat that allows you to use each server as a drive
->  > letter and each drive as a sub dir. Would that help ya?
->
-> It might help.  I'd be interested to see what you've got at any rate.

  I just sent this to Hector but I'll do it again incase you miss
  my responce to him.


  I haven't seen it documented anywhere, so don't know if I should be
  telling the world about it <g> - Just kidding - hope it isn't a "hole"
  that Artisoft plugs after this!

 I stumbled across this by accident, but it works like a champ.  When
 you connect to the server(s) with the NET USE command, DON'T specify
 the drive name on the server - just specify the drive letter you want
 to access it under and the server name, WITHOUT A SERVER DRIVE NAME.
     NET USE P: //SERVER1
 All of the drives on the server will show up as directories on that
 drive (ie: the 7 drives on SERVER1 in the above command would show as
 p:/drivename directories).  You can then switch to the individual
 directory names to access each individual drive.  Hope that helps!

 John...


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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1026
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/06/93  5:18a
Subj: File Echos                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Out of curiosity do we need to contact all the file bone distributors if
 > we plan on carrying the files transmitted on our systems?


    Nope, the filebone is an open system.



                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                       Number: 1027
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/06/93  9:30a
Subj: TIC's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd:

   I noticed that you started sending a filebond file and then it's
accompanying TIC file.  THANK YOU.  That will solve some problems!

   I now have a dedicated C-band hookup to Planet Connect on G3 (no more
sharing my home dish with you).  It meant getting another satellite dish
in my back yard, but I just tell my neighbors tha I am starting a cable
company.  Haven't gotten any orders yet.....

   Any "official" news on the Newsgroups yet?  I guess I need to know is
what kind of software will I need to run.  A gateway program such as
Fredmail (I run a Wildcat BBS)?  Do I even need to run it since I run a
passthru system?  I probably speak for a lot of people whenI say we'd
like to hear about your upcoming plans concerning the newsgroups,
including pricing.

   I also assume that sooner or later, maybe in a year, PC will
eventually have to go to a continuous system instead of a discrete mail
system, so we are working on this.  Our mail HUB computer doubles for
our Planet Connect collection computer, but our NET is saving and
scrounging for equipment to build another computer.  We have the
motherboard, the power supply, and memory, we need at least a 200 MEG
hard drive and some network cards and software.

   Once we get those, we'll write some programs to pull the mail from
the computers, check to see if it is all there (TIC'S and files), and
then toss them as they come in.  As it is now, a programmer named Mark
Gibson has written a program called PCHECK, which checks all the files
that come in off the satellite in the holding directory to the UPLD.LST
that you send.  If all the files are present, it exits to a certain
errorlevel which I have, among other things, set to run PCUTIL, toss the
mail and run TIC.  If the mail is not all present (and this happens a
lot, sorry!), then the errorlevel that is returned is set to restart up
PTCCMAIN and it runs another cycle.  It usually only takes two cycles to
get the mail, but the program can be set to attempt so many cycles so
that our HUB isn't CONSTANTLY tied up getting PC mail.

   We have our systems runnign with hardly a glitch.  Thanks for and
Joe for such a wonderful concept and all your hard work.

   Rudolf Rothemund NC/NEC Net 2440


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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 1028
  To: TIMOTHY WAGONER                          Date: 12/06/93 10:30a
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Timothy!

TW> I am now set up for Planet Connect am am testing to see if the echomail
TW> goes through.

Here's typing at you from Mobile, Alabama!  Welcome aboard! :)

                                          ...Di

 * WCE 1.10/2184 * Cats hate Windows, mouse driven ya know.


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From: JEREMY HALL                            Number: 1029
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/06/93  5:01p
Subj: Re: map.config                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GV> Does anyone know exactly what usenet groups are coming down the satellite I

You have to watch really really fast. See, when it says message dumped, you
need to reprocess the mail after you add the group that "dumped" When you are
done, delete the packets it creates and redo it one last time to create the
real packets for your downlinks. This prevents dupes.

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From: CHRIS CHILDS                           Number: 1030
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/06/93  6:51p
Subj: planet connect                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hey anybody:
    I just got into this planet connect and thing and i was just wondering.
About how much would it cost me to get it all connected to my house? I am
talking the software and hardware required. How much would all of that be
total?

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1031
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/07/93  3:22a
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> Not since it has gone down.



 >     Ack!  Your regional feed has gone down?


Porno .GIF at 11????? <G>

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1032
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 12/07/93  3:24a
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I totally agree, this TV stuff is only worth a DEL *.*
 > and runs up our
 > Satellite connect cost <g> I hope it isn't costing
 > Planet Connect
 > anything to obtain it.

 > Regards,
 > Hans

Mine go straight to >NUL as they come in....BUT they _DO_ serve a useful
function! They let you know you are betwixt the cycles of the USEFUL
stuff!.....Joe...are you listening?

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1033
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93  3:25a
Subj: Routed Netmail                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    Yep i know. This is for the furture when I have
 > time to die my hair back to its original color.


 > ...Boyd

Hey Moosehead! At least you _HAVE_ a little hair left to dye! <G>

I'd prefer that mine turned gray rather than LOOSE! <G>

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1034
  To: JEFF WARD                                Date: 12/07/93 12:53a
Subj: Re: RIME                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hi Boyd!

  Hi Jeff!

> Any idea on when RIME will start feeding? Thanks!

   Not at the moment. Still waiting for the rime boss to say it is ok..


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1035
  To: JERRY SCROGGIN                           Date: 12/07/93 12:55a
Subj: Re: lannet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> is LANNET flowing? haven;t seen anything...

   As far as i know it is active on my system. If anything comes in it goes
over the sat.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1036
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 12/07/93 12:57a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> What is being asked is for you to route netmail received by your
> downlinks when they call to drop off their return echomail to John for
> delivery back down the chain.

   That I have no problem with as long as they go to John. If they end up in my
netmail area I will delete them.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1037
  To: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                         Date: 12/07/93  1:03a
Subj: Re: IS ANYONE OUT THERE?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Sorry Boyd, but in the contract I signed there was nothing about you
> finding
> time for a life!  Seriously now, a couple of questions.  Is it me or have

   And a merry Xmas to you too!;-)

> you
> stopped sending the usenet test?  I haven't received anything in days and
> haven't seen anyone else mention it (I know it was only temporary).

   I Well they are back up. I have two going out. THe PCUSENET.001 is done with
a util that will insert our name so we dont have to toss in and toss back out
of the system. PCUSENET.002 is done with a toss in toss out format. I want
everyone to try it and see if both work or if one works betterthan the other.

> Also, don't forget about the WINNET files that have the 'lost' TICs.


   Guess I will just have to sent all 50 megs that I have sitting here. I
forgot which ones they were.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1038
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 12/07/93  1:10a
Subj: Re: TIC's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> accompanying TIC file.  THANK YOU.  That will solve some problems!

   We aim to please.

> in my back yard, but I just tell my neighbors tha I am starting a cable
> company.  Haven't gotten any orders yet.....

   All you need now is the FCC on your back asking if you are stealing HBO or
something.

> Any "official" news on the Newsgroups yet?  I guess I need to know is
> what kind of software will I need to run.  A gateway program such as
> Fredmail (I run a Wildcat BBS)?  Do I even need to run it since I run a
> passthru system?  I probably speak for a lot of people whenI say we'd
> like to hear about your upcoming plans concerning the newsgroups,
> including pricing.

  Weeeelllllll now I think the format will be in the bag format (like
Pagesat's) that a lot of uucp gateway programs have made changes for. Still in
the testing phase and should have everything going by the first of the new
year.

> I also assume that sooner or later, maybe in a year, PC will
> eventually have to go to a continuous system instead of a discrete mail
> system, so we are working on this.  Our mail HUB computer doubles for
> our Planet Connect collection computer, but our NET is saving and
> scrounging for equipment to build another computer.  We have the
> motherboard, the power supply, and memory, we need at least a 200 MEG
> hard drive and some network cards and software.

   Takes time to perfect pertection!


> We have our systems runnign with hardly a glitch.  Thanks for and
> Joe for such a wonderful concept and all your hard work.

   I thank you, Joe thanks you, the bank thanks you, IDC thanks you, The phone
company thanks you, Hughes thanks you, CIT thanks you, and of course, Joe's
family thanks you.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1039
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/07/93  1:13a
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hey Moosehead! At least you _HAVE_ a little hair left to dye! <G>

   Ahhh, Jerry has a big mouth! Ok hoser. Well thats one thing I can say is
that I do have a full set of hair.

> I'd prefer that mine turned gray rather than LOOSE! <G>

   Got a few good years in me yet!

...Boyd

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1040
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 12/05/93  8:42p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MA>Not exactly. I'm receiving this feed via Fido but it won't be long, after th
MA>holidays, I'll be pulling this down (with EVERYTHING else) myself.

Hi Mark!  Ah go ahead and spring for it! (Get the 3 ft Ku! ;-) )

Do you think Rime admin is in here? <g>

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 1041
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/06/93  7:04p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD> command line option
JD> would seem a good way for everyone to be happy.  I'd sure
JD> appreciate the option, myself.

I'll put it on the list of things to do......

LONG LIST  ;-)

John....

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1042
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/06/93  5:52p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jerry!

05 Dec 93, Jerry Dunlap writes to John Morano:

 JD> If it could be optional I'd still like to have it do that.  I plan to wait
 JD> till the missing file comes in and if it's not there by the second pass,
 JD> I'll file-request it from Boyd.  Either way, I'd want the option to stop
 JD> processing until I either got the file or manually bypassed it.


I have written a utility that does dupe checking for all areas and will
copy/move/erase dupes and new files to specified subdirectories. It also checks
and logs unlisted (not in Upld.lst file) files and will Copy/move/ or erase
them.  It also keep track of files missed and exits with an errorlevel based on
the results of the run. It is in alpha testing right now but I will make it
available when it is ready.

Dennis

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1043
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/06/93  5:58p
Subj: Routed Netmail                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

06 Dec 93, Boyd Goodin writes to Jerry Dunlap:


 >>> Please dont give me all the credit. Joe Overhold founded this

 >> That's Overholt..........<g>   Good thing Joe has a sense of humor.

 BG>     Hope he never caught that one. He would never let me live it down. He
 BG> said he is going to buy me a spell checker for Xmas. Go figure?


Just tell him it's the Canadian spelling :-)).


Dennis

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1044
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/06/93 10:21p
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/06/93> Boyd Goodin wrote:

BG> > I have tried and my efforts are failures.  Any suggestions on a
BG> > program name to convert them.
BG>
BG>    The new RIPPAINT does allow you to take a PCX file and convert it to a
BG> icon right? I also heard that you can make that icon as big as you want r
BG>
BG>    THis is just what I heard now folks. 
BG>
BG> ...Boyd
Well it does try but the thing comes back and tells me that the
screen is too large and bombs out.  Any other rippers out there
that can do it please fill me in.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * John Wayne would have used WcEDIT!

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1045
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 12/06/93  9:55p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi John, is there a way I can manually edit out any previously 'moved' files
from the dupe checker index file to have the next pass of pcutil allow certain
files to be moved rather than deleted?

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From: DALLAS HINTON                          Number: 1046
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/06/93 12:15p
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd -- on Dec 06 1993 at 01:16, you wrote:

BG>    Yep i know. This is for the furture when I have time to
BG> die my hair back to its original color.

:-))

Take it from me -- it doesn't work! :-))

Cheers ... Dallas

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1047
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/06/93  9:01p
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Sunday December 05 1993, Todd Lyons writes to Ken Kavanagh:

Hello Todd!

 >> message, of the new rulebases. Much appreciated..I wondered why the
 >> usenet stuff was getting sent to NUL <grin>

 TL> Hmmm if it wasn't in there, it shouldn't have been going to NUL.  It
 TL> should have defaulted to the c:\skydata subdirectory.

Without boring you too much with my set up here...basically I only have a 40
meg hard drive on the computer receiving the sat stuff..for fear of grinding it
to a stand still with a ton of usenet stuff..I had the rulebase for usenet
going to nul..but had forgotten about that..so now that I'm looking at getting
usenet sent around locally here and have a possible gate back in, I have set it
up. but as you've said, nothing is coming through at the moment..oh well :)
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Monday December 06 1993

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1048
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93  4:16a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BG> It is surprising what you get when you advertise in
 BG> magazines and have a both at ONEBBSCON.
 BG>
> Me too.  But I am sure you _PICK UP_ some routed net mail
> messages that are were routed to you.   That is what I wanted to be able
> do.
 BG>
 BG>     Yes and I get them from MY hub not from John.


You also get them from John as he has a Send line for you....



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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1049
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 12/07/93  4:21a
Subj: PCBoard Files ..                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JL> I get this FILEBONE.NA file that has info in it about
 JL> different files available
 JL> .. I noted that PCBoard has a nice list of utilities
 JL> and doors but that we are
 JL> to request this service.. I have no clue how to go
 JL> about requesting this but I
 JL> do know that if we're getting Wildcat and Spitfire
 JL> stuff that it would be nice


I'll just mosy over to the File_Movers echo and forward this puppy there -:)

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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 1050
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/07/93  7:51a
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Reed wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

DR> Routed netmail is NOT to be used for commercial purposes.
DR> You, of all folks, should know that, Terry.  The CD-ROM
DR> folks are creating quite a stir at the RC/ZC level, and the
DR> result may not be something you like.  That's why I quit
DR> advertising to FidoNet SysOps.

I believe he was speaking of Boyd's business (Planet Connect)...

Later...

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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 1051
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93  7:57a
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Patty Pickett:

BG>      Almost as good as the Playboy channel...

Probably better...:-)

Later...

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From: BOB FRADY                              Number: 1052
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/07/93 11:11p
Subj: New Guy                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I just wanted to so howdy. I'm the new guy on the block here. Just
finished getting my system switched over. So far I'm very pleased with
everything. I want to commend Boyd and Joe for providing this service.
Just through some quick calculations, I figured that the purchase of
this system (Ku band) and the subscription would pay for itself in less
than a year from what it was costing me in LD charges for echomail and
file feeds.

I'm also in the process of expanding my BBS with an additional 2 nodes,
2 Gigs of HD space, and another CD within the next few weeks. (Actually
the new 486DX/2-66 will arrive in the morning but I'm still waiting on
Southern Bell and US Robotics to deliver. <G> With the addition of this
service, it will allow me excellent exandability.

Again, this service is the best thing since sliced bread! <G>

Bob Frady


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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 1053
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 12/07/93  9:20p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TM> Hi John, is there a way I can manually edit out any
TM> previously 'moved' files from the dupe checker index file to

Just use any editor (DOS 5 Edit works) and delete the line with the file name
in it in the CHECK.IDX file, I make it a plain ascii file file just for that
purpose.

Have fun...

John....

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 1054
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/07/93  6:10a
Subj: TICK PROCESSING SECRETS                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Saturday December 04 1993, Dennis Powers writes to Ervin Jay:


 DP>>> ZONE 1 i:\outbound\       <===== this is the outbound copymail sees

 EJ>> It will simply assume that everyone has already picked them up, since
 EJ>> there are no FLO files remaining.

 DP> Never had the problem here....hmmm.. I only run tick once a day here and I
 DP> guess I've been lucky that I get all passthru files delivered prior to
 DP> it's next run.... This is going to take some thought.

When you figure it out, I'd really appreciate knowing how, it could come in
extremely handy...

Cheers, Ervin

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 1055
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 12/07/93  6:16a
Subj: TICK PROCESSING SECRETS                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Sunday December 05 1993, John Burton writes to Ervin Jay:

 >> It will simply assume that everyone has already picked them up, since there
 >> are no FLO files remaining.

 JB> My problem exactly, Ervin....

:(

 JB> I've "solved" it by running TICK when I bring TBBS down to scan for
 JB> outbound echomail.

 JB> That way, TICK only looks at "real" outbound areas, not dummy areas built
 JB> for CopyMail's use...

But, this kind of defeats the purpose of Tic'ng to a Copymail area in the first
place, as, if there are TIC files to process, Tick will process them directly
into the Normal Outbound, again running into the problem of not sending a file
to a node which may be connected.

 JB> I guess what we need is a network aware TICK proggie... One that
 JB> reads/writes .BSY flags, and utilizes a staging area....

Hey, not _that_ would be a great idea, you a programmer :)))

Cheers, Ervin

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 1056
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/07/93  6:21a
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Friday December 03 1993, Patty Pickett writes to Ervin Jay:

 >> KillerDOG -d 3615/50 -m Grunged_Message

 PP>     Oh, okay, Ervin, thanks for the info.  :)

You are welcome, Hope it worked for you... :))

Cheers, Ervin

... Heller's Law:
        The first myth of management is that it exists.

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1057
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/06/93  2:25p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to John Souvestre:

> to route anything you receive through me.  It will then follow the
> conventional Backbone echomail channels to its destination.
BG>
BG>     Ok. now everyone listen up. I wiltake you stuff and pass
BG> it on. But if the format is bad and it ends up not being
BG> forwarded to John I will be deleting it.

Be careful Boyd.....As you know, there are those that are not happy about the
Planet Connect service and look for any excuse to raise a ruckus.....

To delete undeliverable netmail is very much against policy and could easily
put your node number in the middle of a policy complaint.....If you agree to
route it then you also agree to return it if you cant.

[e-mail]

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1058
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/07/93  9:13a
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MF> > I totally agree, this TV stuff is only worth a DEL *.*
MF> > and runs up our
MF> > Satellite connect cost <g> I hope it isn't costing


















MF>Mine go straight to >NUL as they come in....BUT they _DO_
MF>serve a useful function! They let you know you are betwixt
MF>the cycles of the USEFUL stuff!.....Joe...are you listening?


With our total daily capacity up around 160 megs, I don't think Joe should
cease putting anything on the bird that he thinks any of us might be interested
in.  Those of us who do not want any of it can just send it to NUL
as you say.  I say that Joe should throw up everything he can get his hands on
and let us use it if we want and NUL if we don't.

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From: JERRY RUSSELL                          Number: 1059
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 12/07/93  3:05p
Subj: NEWCOMER! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I have a dedicated machine receiving the satellite data, configured
 > as a Lantastic server.  This works fine.  I am looking for a way to
 > automate the processing of the data.  I have tried running PCUTIL from a
 > workstation (which is my BBS) .. but cannot get it to work properly.
 > PCUTIL works fine if I take down the satellite software and run it
 > from the server.  Any ideas?   Does anyone have a way of dealing with
 > incoming satellite data ... without manual intervention! Thanks for
 > your

 Well there are all ways of doing it so here is how I do it !:
 I have a 4 computer setup here, as I am NEC for the NET and here is how I do
it.
 I run TBBS (8 lines) with TIMS (mailer) on the BBS machine (Lantastic
Server).
 I Run QMAIL (thanks George) on a dedicated server along with ALLFIX,AREAFIX
and COPYMAIL.
 Next I run the Satellite system on a machine all by it's self.
 The Sat. system is configured as a Workstation not a Server.

 When the SAT system is booted it automatically runs PCUTIL CHECK4 then starts
the SAT program. After the SAT gets it's data and when the system gets a signal
fron the SAT and drops to DOS I have it reboot the system with a program called
BOOTIT, the system compeletly reboots and runs PCUTIL and moves all new files
over the LAN to my Mail machine then the SAT system resumes it's data
gathering. I reboot the machine each time to assure the LAN connect is good
since I run it as a Workstation it just relogs on to the mail machine.
I also made a little SAT.BSY flag file that is copied over ahead of the files
by the batch program, the mail program looks for this flag prior to moving the
inbound files for mail processing, if it sees it it just loops in the batch
file until it disappers, then deletes it when the copy process is complete.
 Now on the mail machine I have a BAT FILE in a contionus loop looking for
inbound mail both 0000ffff.* files in the sub dir where the PCUTIL moved them
and on the BBS machine (TIMS) inbound dir.
If there is new mail in either place the batch file MOVES (DOS 6.X) it to
Qmails inbound dir. on the mail machine.
 I then invoke QMAIL/AREAFIX to toss and pack all mail and then use COPYMAIL to
move it back to the BBS'S outbound Dir. I also run ALLFIX now to clean out all
the new inbound Files/Tic

 TOTAL PROCESSING, TOTALLY HANDS OFF !!!!

 Regards
 Jerry

 PS you milage may vary !

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1060
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/07/93  1:21p
Subj: Tvagent                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD->MF>Mine go straight to >NUL as they come in....BUT they _DO_
JD->MF>serve a useful function! They let you know you are betwixt
JD->MF>the cycles of the USEFUL stuff!.....Joe...are you listening?


JD->With our total daily capacity up around 160 megs, I don't think Joe should
JD->cease putting anything on the bird that he thinks any of us might be
JD->interested in.  Those of us who do not want any of it can just send it to N
JD->as you say.  I say that Joe should throw up everything he can get his hands
JD->on and let us use it if we want and NUL if we don't.

The point is, Jerry, the TVAgent program _only_ runs on the machine with
the dongle on it.  There is no way whatever for your users to try it out
& see if they like it or not.  They can order a subscription to it, but
they are doing that blind [which means they won't do it at all, because
BBS users are spoiled into the belief they have a _right_ to try it
_before_ they register/subscribe or whatever].  I can't put the TV
listing files up for download because a lot of my users know where I
live! <G>  Why do it if the BBS caller can do nothing with them once
they've downloaded them.  Having them there doesn't bother me because I
automatically send them to >NUL.

And I would _strongly_ argue the 160 meg daily capacity.  That only
applies if you have _no_ repeats.  And if missing mail is ok with you,
then I guess you don't need repeats.  Remember it only takes ONE error
for you to miss a mail bundle!  Sure, you'll say "but I'd just freq it
from Boyd"; but you might not say that if you were in Bermuda! <G>
If Planet Connect stops repeating the mail and you don't get everything
the when it is sent, it is lost for good.  Not everyone can afford to
start freqing a meg or two of missed mail from Boyd every day, nor could
Boyd support that without a major expansion in the number of phone lines
there!  160meg daily capacity?  I'd say that 40 meg is a much more
realistic figure. (Four repeats per day.)

I still maintain, the TV listing stuff serves a useful function...it
shows that you are between cycles of the stuff you can use. <G>  You
see, I was arguing FOR have the TV listing files on the bird. <G>


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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1061
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93  1:30p
Subj: Re: TVAGENT                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    Patty, I am talking with the boss on that and hopefully we can find a
 > sollution to this problem.



    Thanks much, Boyd, hopefully I'm not the only one who will thank you for
it.  :)


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1062
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93  1:30p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >      Almost as good as the Playboy channel...



    Drats, I thought I deleted 3615/50 from that echo distribution.  ;D


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1063
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93  1:31p
Subj: Re: Dupes                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > > sometime in April or May at our Region 19 Poor Man's Fidocon & Lake
 > > Party.
 >
 >    May have to go to that.


    You're certainly welcome, Boyd, as long as you're not in the line to throw
the bride and/or groom into the lake following the nuptials.  <G>


 >     Heck the boss wont even let me have a day off let alone go to Texas!


    Beg...  tell him it's good PR.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1064
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 12/07/93  1:33p
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I totally agree, this TV stuff is only worth a DEL *.* and runs up our
 > Satellite connect cost <g> I hope it isn't costing Planet Connect
 > anything to obtain it.



    We had been copying it over to the network drives in the hopes that one
day we'd have time to take a look at them, Hans, but since we discovered that
it requires that bloody dongle to run we just basically send it to the bit
bucket.  :sigh:


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1065
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 12/07/93  1:37p
Subj: PCBoard Files ..                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I get this FILEBONE.NA file that has info in it about different files
 > available.. I noted that PCBoard has a nice list of utilities and doors
 > but that we are to request this service.. I have no clue how to go
 > about requesting this but I do know that if we're getting Wildcat and
 > Spitfire stuff that it would be nice to get PCBoard stuff (since there



    Read the footer in Filebone.na, John, the PCB* FDN are not yet on the
filebone although it has requested this status.  Send netmail to one of the
listed filebone hubs and request that it be placed on the filebone.  Assuming
that the FDN head isn't some kind of control freak, once on the filebone
you'll likely see it coming over the satellite sometime thereafter.



                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1066
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/07/93  6:49p
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Porno .GIF at 11????? <G>



    Naw, we'll just hatch them out via our local Whips-N-Chains FDN.  <G>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: ROBERT WATSON                          Number: 1067
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/06/93  3:15p
Subj: Duplicates                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Could someone please help me understand they're solution to the Duplicates
problem.. Is there a specific tosser or such that seems to be doing a good
job at eliminating duplicates? If so, which one(s) are you using?

Also a brief outline as to how you've set it up would certainly help me
alot...

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From: ROBERT WATSON                          Number: 1068
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/06/93  3:18p
Subj: Manual, Docs, etc..                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I received my setup during the final BetaTest phase, I recieved no manual or
docs for Programs Like PCUTIL and the other small utilities in the PLANETC
or main directory.. Are there docs for these programs and could you send
them down through the Satellite if there is.. I'd like a decent description
of the workings of PCUTIL at least..

               Thanks in advance..

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From: ROBERT WATSON                          Number: 1069
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/06/93  3:20p
Subj: Searchlight & Planet Connect            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Are there any other Searchlight BBS Software sysops around out there, who
are connected to PC or such that would like to possibly trade notes with me.

I'm running under Searchlight, and would like to exchange hints and tips
which might benefit both of us..

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1070
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/07/93  7:45p
Subj: Tvagent                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > And I would _strongly_ argue the 160 meg daily capacity.  That
 > only
 > applies if you have _no_ repeats.  And if missing mail is ok
 > phone lines
 > there!  160meg daily capacity?  I'd say that 40 meg is a much
 > more
 > realistic figure. (Four repeats per day.)

Ok, 40 meg per day sounds ok to me for the present.  We still have alot of
space left for goodies.

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1071
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 12/07/93  7:47p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > JD> command line option
 > JD> would seem a good way for everyone to be happy.  I'd sure
 > JD> appreciate the option, myself.
 >
 > I'll put it on the list of things to do......
 >
 > LONG LIST  ;-)


I understand and thanks for the good program.

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1072
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/07/93  7:48p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I have written a utility that does dupe checking for all areas
 > and will copy/move/erase dupes and new files to specified
 > subdirectories. It also checks and logs unlisted (not in
 > Upld.lst file) files and will Copy/move/ or erase them.  It also
 > keep track of files missed and exits with an errorlevel based on
 > the results of the run. It is in alpha testing right now but I
 > will make it available when it is ready.


Great.  I wonder if we could start a new file echoe for this sort of thing and
have it sent over the bird?

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From: JIM OXFORD                             Number: 1073
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 12/07/93 11:47a
Subj: Re: PCUTIL                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hi John, is there a way I can manually edit out any
 > previously 'moved' files from the dupe checker index
 > file to have the next pass of pcutil allow certain files
 > to be moved rather than deleted?

  Tracy,
  I do it by using a text editor and editing the CHECK.IDX file, just delete
the line and the next time pcutil moves files it will move that one again.
Thats the way I make sure that duplicate named mail files get moved
if they are not the same.  To check to see if its a duplicate name, just check
the file time of when it was put together.

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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 1074
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 12/06/93  6:06p
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I totally agree, this TV stuff is only worth a DEL *.* and runs
 > up our
 > Satellite connect cost <g> I hope it isn't costing Planet
 > Connect
 > anything to obtain it.

 I'm with you on this. I don't htink I've looked at the TV listings but about
twice since I've been running PC. It would be a shame if I major part of our
price that we pat for PC is TV listings and we can't do anything with them.
Later!

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 1075
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93 11:26p
Subj: ZyXELnet                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Area ZYXELROM   0   !     ZyXELNET: ZYXEL Firmware
Area ZYXTEXT    0   !     ZyXELNET: ZyXEL Text Files
Area ZYXTOOL    0   !     ZYXELNET: ZyXEL 3rd Party Tools
;                           Info File: ZYXELNET.*
;            North America ZyXBONE HQ: Patrick Martin 1:102/825
;                      Suggested Conf: ZYXEL (backbone)


is the above coming over the dish? If not what can be done to get it on the
dish?
I can put a good word in for you if can tell me the requirements you need
filled.. ( I am the ZyXELNET region 27 RC & REC)

Thank you,
         Brian

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 1076
  To: JEFF WARD                                Date: 12/06/93  9:25p
Subj: Rime                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Any idea when RIME will start feeding?

Bonnie is waiting for her PC satellite dish to begin testing, but apparently
it's backordered.

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1077
  To: RICHARD BASH                             Date: 12/07/93  9:08a
Subj: ANY PROBLEMS?                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Any snow problems? You did not specify which size dish you are using
 > (2 or 3 footer).

Sorry, I'm using a 1M KU band dish with a .08 LNB (or is that .8? - I can'T
remember) We've had a few cm's of snow lately and go very slightly lower
signal. I've been checking the meter very carefully every day. On clear days it
goes up over 8, on cloudy, snowy days, it drops to just under 8. I don't know
the specs on these receivers, but the meter appears to be linear, not
logorithmic in nature(by db's) so it's difficult to tell just how much signal
degeneration there is at each mark on the meter. Most AM/FM transceivers use S
units to determine signal strength, based on how many db's per mark on the
meter. Every 3 db equals twice the perceived power...(in radio terms).

At 44 or 45 degrees you shouldn't have any problems. If you suspect otherwise,
contact a local HAM operator or professional. (a HAM will give you an honest
answer)

Regards




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From: BASIL GROMAN                           Number: 1078
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93  8:36a
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Monday December 06 1993 01:07, Boyd Goodin wrote to Patty Pickett:


 >> somewhat nullifies your reasons for including it.  Could you perhaps
 >> reconsider and find some other way of protecting your interests with
 >> regards to TVAGENT?


 BG>    Patty, I am talking with the boss on that and hopefully we can find a
 BG> sollution to this problem.

I agree with Patty.  My Planet Connect computer is a dedicated system that I
keep out of the way.  I thought I'd be able to pass the info over the network
to my work computer.  Was a little annoyed that I couldn't. At this particular
point in time, those listings are useless to me.  So make this another vote for
an alternative form of copy protection for the TV agent.

Thanks,

Basil

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1079
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93 12:32a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > to route anything you receive through me.  It will then follow the
-> > conventional Backbone echomail channels to its destination.
->
->     Ok. now everyone listen up. I wiltake you stuff and pass it on. B
-> format is bad and it ends up not being forwarded to John I will be de
->
->
-> ...Boyd

Persistent, aren't they!!   :)!
Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1080
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93  1:06a
Subj: Re: HI!!                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    Computers are wierd aren't they. Its like they have a mind of thie
-> Glad we could help.


HELP!!!!!!!!

Another "bug" has bitten my "dish" system.

I came home from work this morning and found the following:

Division by zero in line 0 of module PCUTL at address 1514:0046.



The system was locked up tighter then a drum.

I'm running PCUTIL.EXE dated 9/25/93.

Got any ideas????

Thanks,
Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1081
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/07/93 12:57a
Subj: HI!!                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Yup.....If you would have just used a batch file to load the network
-> PCUTIL's errorlevels for all files recieved then rebooted afterwards
-> probably would have been fine.
->

Hi Greg,
    Well, since all that system does is connect the satellite
to the LAN, I decided that the 386sx-40 was overkill.
The 286 should do just fine.

BUT, I just posted a message about a system lock up.

Have to wait for a reply.

Fred


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1082
  To: DAVE REED                                Date: 12/06/93  8:07p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Dave   Reed   wrote   in   a    message    to    Terry    Blount:

DR> Routed netmail is  NOT  to  be  used  for  commercial  purposes.
DR> You, of all folks, should know that,

 I personally don't route ANY netmail. I  was  talking  about  the
 problem of educating everyone in fidoland to crash their  netmail
 when they  wanted  to  order  something  from a  business  or  an
 individual.

DR>  The CD-ROM
DR> folks are creating quite a stir at  the  RC/ZC  level,  and  the
DR> result may not be something you like.

 If anyone is treated unfairly or singled  out  because  of  their
 business   (when   it   is   legal)  I    wouldn't    like    it.

DR> That's why I quit advertising to FidoNet SysOps.

 I  don't  see  why  you  would  let  Us   Robotics,   Quaterdeck,
 Wordperfect,  Microsoft,  Borland,  BlueWave,  Clipper,  Paradox,
 Ashton-Tate, Lantastic, Novell, Qedit, Qmodem,  Telix,  Telemate,
 Pcboard,  Wildcat,  Quick   BBS,   Remote   Access,   Searchlight
 Spitfire, VBBS... and  hundreds  other  companies  have  all  the
 fun.

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1083
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/06/93  8:22p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Patty Pickett wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

PP>     Ack!  Your regional feed has gone down?

Not totally ...it has begin to quiver and show signs of new
life.

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From: RICK ROSINSKI                          Number: 1084
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 11/29/93 11:59p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >are not in the FIDONET.NA file. A rule of thumb. If it is not in the
 >FIDONET.NA file I DONT WANT IT!

What about messages from echoes in the FIDONET.NO file?  We are getting those
echoes via the satellite.

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From: TOM WEISS                              Number: 1085
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/05/93  5:21p
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 12-03-93, BOYD GOODIN wrote to LARRY JAMES:

 BG>    Who's Veger?

You're probably not a Star Trek Fan.  It was supposedly one of the first
unmanned deep space probes sent out to learn and adapt.  It's original  name
was Voyageur.  However, it's name got mutilated in a space accident.

-=-
 * Freddie 1.2.5 * Zonker says: "Pardon me.  Do you have grey poop on?"

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 1086
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93  6:32a
Subj: Weather Maps                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    The new RIPPAINT does allow you to take a PCX file and convert
 > it to an icon right? I also heard that you can make that icon as
 > big as you want right?

It does allow you to create an icon but it all has to be done manually.
We need a utility that works in a batch file.

The other problem with creating an icon is that it needs to be downloaded
by the user in order to be used by Ripterm.  There isn't much use in
creating a set of temporary weather map icons when the user must download
the files anyway.  A .RIP file is what we need in order to make the weather
screens viewable immediately without "download".

I don't know of a utility that will convert a .PCX to .RIP at the moment.

Ed

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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 1087
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93 11:56a
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > yes and yes...I even put the dips back to the default suggested in the >
-> txt that you sent down..thinking that was it.. the latest software seems >
-> to be more susceptible (sp?) to errors..
->
-> Did you make sure that you are locked on satellite. Make sure that the
-> polorization is horizonal.

I had to play with the recommended settings to get one that works for me.. was
almost at the very top of the list - far away from the most recommended -
before I started getting error-free reception..  had I not had an ex-satellite
tech here to play around with these things I'd probably be only getting 30% of
the files right now <G>

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1088
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/08/93  7:26a
Subj: IS ANYONE OUT THERE?                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    I Well they are back up. I have two going out. THe PCUSENET.001 is
 > done with a util that will insert our name so we dont have to toss in
 > and toss back out of the system. PCUSENET.002 is done with a toss in
 > toss out format. I want everyone to try it and see if both work or if
 > one works betterthan the other.

002 worked MUCH MUCH better.  I got TONS of errors "repositioning" during the
001 file.  .002 tossed just fine.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: NICK ASHTON-HART                       Number: 1089
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93 11:41p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd:

Monday December 06 1993 00:44, Boyd Goodin wrote to Glenn Caleval:

  BG>     Or a break down in my brian. :-)

                                ^^^^^
                                Looks like it's too late already.


Nick

CIS: 71754,212. Internet: [e-mail]

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1090
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93 10:47p
Subj: Re: Echo's                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 06 01:13>, Boyd Goodin writes:

> May Santy Claus be extra kind to you and yours!  <G>
 BG>                                           ^^^^^^
 BG>                       There is only ME! So I want MORE!

<GRIN>

 BG>    Nothing a few good bottles of JB wont fix...

JB?  I figured you boys would be burning Tennessee Lemonaid.  :-)

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1091
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93 10:49p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 06 01:11>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   Yep. By the way, whats the problem with bink that you cant
 BG>connect with D'bridge on the ISDN line?

It wasn't Bink, it was ClassAxe.  I've since gotten a new version of Bink and
I'll try it out in the next day or so to make sure all works.  Will advise.

I still haven't decided whether I'm keeping the ISDN or not.  Equipment cost
are still a question.

BTW, got the equipment.  No instructions however...  but that never stopped me
before.  Say which side goes toward the satellite?  Convex or concave side?
<smirk>

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1092
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93 10:51p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 06 01:10>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   Ahhhh, the good old days when I still had brown hair........

Ha!  Yeh, well be happy you still have some hair.  I'm gaining this
increasingly polished spot on front from going "<slap> Oh No!!"  a little too
often.  :-)

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1093
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 12/07/93 11:23p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 04 12:46>, John Souvestre writes:

 JS>Everyone else who routed for that Net (the Zone Hubs and the
 JS>Region Hubs in that region) would also have to change their
 JS>routing, along with Boyd.

Understand.  So be it, next problem.

It sure would be nice if we had some sort of program along the lines of Areafix
to assign/deassign routing.  Course that could take quite a bit of doing.

Happy Holidays,

D.

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1094
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/08/93  4:01a
Subj: PCBoard Files ..                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I get this FILEBONE.NA file that has info in it about different files
 > available.. I noted that PCBoard has a nice list of utilities and doors
 > but that we are to request this service.. I have no clue how to go
 > about requesting this but I do know that if we're getting Wildcat and

 PP>     Read the footer in Filebone.na, John, the PCB* FDN are not yet on the
 PP> filebone although it has requested this status.  Send
 PP> netmail to one of the listed filebone hubs and
 PP> request that it be placed on the filebone.  Assuming
 PP> that the FDN head isn't some kind of control freak,
 PP> once on the filebone you'll likely see it coming over
 PP> the satellite sometime thereafter.

Jens Mueller is the temp HQ's for PCB.  We're working on getting it to John
right this moment.  Good 'ol Jens ain't no stinking control freak -:)



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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 1095
  To: ROBERT WATSON                            Date: 12/08/93 11:06p
Subj: Duplicates                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RW>Could someone please help me understand they're solution to the Duplicates
RW>problem.. Is there a specific tosser or such that seems to be doing a good
RW>job at eliminating duplicates? If so, which one(s) are you using?

RW>Also a brief outline as to how you've set it up would certainly help me
RW>alot...

I am running GEcho as a tosser and have set the dupe file to it's max:
32766 entries.  This sure made a difference... got an unbelievable
number of dupes before... I figure that it took care of 95% of them.

Unfortunately, with an entire backbone feed as with Planet Connect and a
few other network feeds I may see from 38,000 to 48,000 messages
processed in 2 days (and I'm sure the number isn't going to be getting
any smaller).  That means that it's possible that a message that comes
through as a dupe may no longer be in the database even a day later!

Hopefully the next version of GEcho will allow cranking up the dupe
database size to a more viable number.  I liked being able to have it
set large enough to cover 7 days of traffic.

-Tim


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From: HECTOR MANDEL                          Number: 1096
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/07/93  9:12p
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 07 03:24>, Mickey Ferguson of 1:116/205 writes:

 >> I totally agree, this TV stuff is only worth a DEL *.*
 >> and runs up our
 >> Satellite connect cost <g> I hope it isn't costing
 >> Planet Connect
 >> anything to obtain it.

 >> Regards,
 >> Hans

 MF> Mine go straight to >NUL as they come in....BUT they _DO_ serve a
 MF> useful function! They let you know you are betwixt the cycles of
 MF> the USEFUL stuff!.....Joe...are you listening?

Yeah, I agree 100%.  The TV stuff is useless to me now that the TVAGENT program
looks for the dongle.  I can't use it across my network and the TVAGENT program
won't run on a monochrome system, which is what I have on the machine that does
nothing all day long but pull in the satellite feed.  There's no way I'm going
to buy a vga and card just so I can run it.

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1097
  To: JERRY RUSSELL                            Date: 12/08/93 10:12a
Subj: NEWCOMER! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks Jerry for taking the time to explain your setup!

JR> When the SAT system is booted it automatically runs PCUTIL CHECK4 then star
JR>the SAT program. After the SAT gets it's data and when the system gets a sig
JR>fron the SAT and drops to DOS I have it reboot the system with a program cal

This is the piece of information I am missing.  How often does the
satellite send this signal for the SAT software to drop to DOS?

JR> PS you milage may vary !

Of course! ;-)  Thanks again!

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From: KEITH SIPPY                            Number: 1098
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 12/08/93 11:50p
Subj: areafix and Planet connect              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I was helping a friend (Ken Carpenter 1:14/608) set up Planet Connect last
weekend.  We were trying to figure a way to set up areafix (v1.3) and PC.  What
we wanted is to have the system he feeds be able to request whatever area is in
fidonet.na & .no and have it immediately add the area.  Without having to
forward the request and wait for something to come into bad messages.  Is there
a way of doing this that we may have overlooked?  I'm sure Boyd doesn't really
want requests forwarded to him.  And we have the bad message area set very
small to dump out all the excess messages he isn't using to save space.

Any help would be appreciated.

Keith


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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1099
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/08/93 10:27p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jerry!

07 Dec 93, Jerry Dunlap writes to Dennis Powers:

 >> I have written a utility that does dupe checking for all areas
 >> and will copy/move/erase dupes and new files to specified
 >> subdirectories. It also checks and logs unlisted (not in

 JD> Great.  I wonder if we could start a new file echoe for this sort of thing
 JD> and have it sent over the bird?

I figured I get it out through either Softdist or one of the Utilnet's (I think
it's 2 that goes over the sat feed).  It's basicly freeware with a request for
a postcard <G>.  Version 1 will just report Version 2 will generate File
requests (that takes a bit more code <G>).  I'll announce it when it's ready.
The main thing that got me started was I needed a way to find out if I missed
anything.... half way into the project I realized I needed to duplicate the
concept of the PCUTIL to keep track so I figured is wasn't much more work to
add the Copy/move stuff.

-><-Dennis

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1100
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/08/93  8:01p
Subj: File Echos                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Laz!

In a message to All <12/04/93> Laz Gottli wrote:

LG> Out of curiosity do we need to contact all the file bone distributors if
LG> plan on carrying the files transmitted on our systems?

LG> Or do we do it just out of common curtesy?

LG> How is everyone else treating this?

LG> Thanks
I am processing them all into my database and when I get cramped
for drive space I will delete everything first with 0 downloads,
then if not enough deletes I will delete everything that has less
than 10 downloads.  Unless I see a need for the files later on
that is.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Me, indecisive?  I don't think I am, do you?

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1101
  To: TIMOTHY WAGONER                          Date: 12/08/93  8:24p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Timothy!

In a message to All <12/05/93> Timothy Wagoner wrote:

TW> I am now set up for Planet Connect am am testing to see if the echomail
TW> goes through.

Got it here in Middle Tennessee.
Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Misspelled?  Impossible. Error correcting modem!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1102
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 12/08/93  8:52p
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

In a message to All <12/05/93> John Dodson wrote:

JD> Hello All!

JD> I finally found the G-4 satellite and began receiving data about 10 days
JD> ago.  I have a few questions! <g>

JD> I have a dedicated machine receiving the satellite data, configured as a
JD> Lantastic server.  This works fine.  I am looking for a way to automate
JD> the processing of the data.  I have tried running PCUTIL from a
JD> workstation (which is my BBS) .. but cannot get it to work properly.
JD> PCUTIL works fine if I take down the satellite software and run it from
JD> the server.  Any ideas?   Does anyone have a way of dealing with
JD> incoming satellite data ... without manual intervention! Thanks for your
JD> help!

Pcutil is not limited to the Satelite machine.  What I did in my
pcsky.bat was run pcutil next3 and goto restart.  On another
machine I copied the config file for pcutil and changed the drive
letters to point to the server that has the satelite running.  I
use Front Door as my front end so I setup an event to toss the
mail and process the .tic files.  From the directory that
contains my new pcutil config file I do a pcutil next1 which
moves the first mail packet from the toss dir to my FD inbound
and call my tosser.  Upon finish of that toss I have a if exist
statement that looks to the toss dir for the existance of
anything starting with 0000????.*, if it is there it does a goto
retoss and does the thing over and over till all mail is tossed.
Then I have a file move, move h:\toss\*.* h:\fd\file  all tics
and compressed files are then processed with WCFF, a Wildcat file
fawarder,  I wrote myself a program, which takes all the
fileareas in the filebone.na and assigned a dirve:\directory
filearea# for wildcat and it reads each tic file for the area and
writes my wcff.cfg for that day and tosses them.  Now I also
include all other areas which my system has so if a .tic comes in
from a node it too is processed.  I get home at 3:15 pm each day
and all mail and .tics are processed.  I have been connected to
PC for 5-6 weeks now and look farward to Internet to alter thinga
again.

Joe
PS if you want more info just let me know.  I don't profess to
know the answere but will help where possible.

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Never take a beer to a job interview.

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From: JOHN BIERRIE                           Number: 1103
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 12/08/93  6:52p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tracy Mickley, in a message to John Morano, you wrote:

TM> Hi John, is there a way I can manually edit out any
TM> previously 'moved' files from the dupe checker index file to
TM> have the next pass of pcutil allow certain files to be moved
TM> rather than deleted?

John,
     In the message above, Tracy suggests something which I too would really
like to see...  Just adding one more voice to the idea. :-)

John

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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1104
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 12/08/93  9:42p
Subj: TIC's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Rudolf

In a message to Boyd Goodin <12/06/93> Rudolf Rothemund wrote:

RR> Fredmail (I run a Wildcat BBS)?  Do I even need to run it since I run a
I have WCUUCP wonder if that would work?

RR>    Once we get those, we'll write some programs to pull the mail from
RR> the computers, check to see if it is all there (TIC'S and files), and
RR> then toss them as they come in.  As it is now, a programmer named Mark
RR> Gibson has written a program called PCHECK, which checks all the files
RR> that come in off the satellite in the holding directory to the UPLD.LST
RR> that you send.  If all the files are present, it exits to a certain
RR> errorlevel which I have, among other things, set to run PCUTIL, toss the
RR> mail and run TIC.  If the mail is not all present (and this happens a
RR> lot, sorry!), then the errorlevel that is returned is set to restart up
RR> PTCCMAIN and it runs another cycle.  It usually only takes two cycles to
RR> get the mail, but the program can be set to attempt so many cycles so
RR> that our HUB isn't CONSTANTLY tied up getting PC mail.

What do you think about letting me FREQ that PCCHECK utility for use on
our nets HUB (my system..) It would save us a LOT of time and trouble..?

 * WCE 1.10/2008 * Good, Bad, I'm the guy with the gun. (ARMY OF DARKNESS)


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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1105
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/08/93  9:50p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Dennis

In a message to Jerry Dunlap <12/06/93> Dennis Powers wrote:

DP> I have written a utility that does dupe checking for all areas and will
DP> copy/move/erase dupes and new files to specified subdirectories. It also
DP> and logs unlisted (not in Upld.lst file) files and will Copy/move/ or era
DP> them.  It also keep track of files missed and exits with an errorlevel ba
DP> the results of the run. It is in alpha testing right now but I will make
DP> available when it is ready.
Count me in on your distribution of this one.. Need any help with the
Alpha testing?

 * WCE 1.10/2008 * Tagline not found...Hitting the red bu@$(@$#....


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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 1106
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 12/08/93  6:55p
Subj: Rime                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >-> Any idea when RIME will start feeding?

 > Bonnie is waiting for her PC satellite dish to begin testing,
 > but apparently it's backordered.

 Oh well, BO's are life. I've got fellows here who are already in RIME wanting
to know when the feed will start. all I tell them is sometime in the future
(real precise date!) Anyhow, thanks for the info. Later!

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From: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                       Number: 1107
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 12/08/93 12:00p
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD>I have a dedicated machine receiving the satellite data, configured
JD>as a Lantastic server.  This works fine.  I am looking for a way to
JD>automate the processing of the data.  I have tried running PCUTIL
JD>from a workstation (which is my BBS) .. but cannot get it to work
JD>properly. PCUTIL works fine if I take down the satellite software and
JD>run it from the server.  Any ideas?   Does anyone have a way of
JD>dealing with incoming satellite data ... without manual intervention!
JD>Thanks for your help!

Hi John.  My setup is similar to yours, I have one dedicated machine on
my Lantastic lan for the satellite feed.  I run PCUTIL on that same
dedicated machine, then my batch file copies whatever files are left to
my bbs machine, to its inbound directory.  I then send a semaphore file
to my bbs machine to tell it to exit to process the mail/tics.  This
works very well.  The trick is in using semaphore files.

If you have any more questions I will be glad to help.

___
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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1108
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/08/93  9:47p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 06 01:11>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   Yep. By the way, whats the problem with bink that you cant
 BG>connect with D'bridge on the ISDN line?

Ok, here's the scam.  Perhaps Jerry Dunlap might also add some comments as
well.   I do know that I have to shut down to 56k instead of 64k to reach you.


About 75% of the time, this is what I get when I try to connect.

08 Dec 21:03:12 BINK Processing node 1:3615/50 -- Planet Systems
08 Dec 21:03:12 BINK Dialing 1-615-623-4816
08 Dec 21:03:26 BINK Connect 38400
08 Dec 21:03:28 BINK Modem protocol negotiation filtered
08 Dec 21:03:46 BINK Intro: **   **EMSI_REQA77E**   **  Network mail only**TILL
3AM**<BBS 615-6>
08 Dec 21:04:01 BINK Timeout
08 Dec 21:04:01 BINK No Send - Remote Hung Up
08 Dec 21:04:02 BINK Received: 0/0 Sent: 0/0 Total: 0/0 CPS: 0
08 Dec 21:04:02 BINK Seconds: 34  Tariff: 35  Fee: 35  System: 1:3615/50

It sends the EMSI handshake packet, then sits waiting for the reply packet and
never gets it.

When I do get it, it's sluggish as hell and I get all kinds of wierd EMSI
stuff.  Notice the time delay after Connect until handshaking.  There's a full
10 seconds of dead air.

08 Dec 21:04:42 BINK Processing node 1:3615/50 -- Planet Systems
08 Dec 21:04:42 BINK Dialing 1-615-623-4816
08 Dec 21:04:55 BINK Connect 38400
08 Dec 21:05:02 BINK Intro: D'Bridge EMAIL System 1.54/004770... Copyright
1987-1993 by Chris In
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Unknown EMSI Addon: XMIT: {* * * * *}
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Unknown EMSI Addon: SDC:
{[EF*!!!*!!!][E*`SE-][+%SEST][*Z[4jCAD]}
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Unknown EMSI Addon: UTC: {*`SE-=%,k!,lEST}
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU.
(1:3615/50)
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Aka: 95:95/50
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Remote Uses D'Bridge 1.54/004770
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK SysOp: Boyd Goodin from Newport Tennessee
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Phone: [phone]
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Flags: HST,CM,XX,V42.BIS
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Password-protected session
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Session method: ZedZap
08 Dec 21:05:13 BINK Nothing to send to 95:95/50
08 Dec 21:05:18 BINK End of WaZOO/EMSI Session
08 Dec 21:05:18 BINK Received: 0/0 Sent: 0/0 Total: 0/0 CPS: 0
08 Dec 21:05:18 BINK Seconds: 23  Tariff: 35  Fee: 35  System: 1:3615/50

I tried it without EMSI and simply got a dropped carrier as in the first
example, so it's not just EMSI.  And this same thing happened with ClassAxe
which didn't even support EMSI.

I did try a file request for FILES as well to see what would happen.

* 08 Dec 21:06:47 BINK Remote Uses D'Bridge 1.54/004770
: 08 Dec 21:06:47 BINK SysOp: Boyd Goodin from Newport Tennessee
  08 Dec 21:06:47 BINK Phone: [phone]
  08 Dec 21:06:47 BINK Flags: HST,CM,XX,V42.BIS
* 08 Dec 21:06:47 BINK Password-protected session
  08 Dec 21:06:47 BINK Created flagfile K:\Bbs\Outbound.05f\005f0032.BSY
: 08 Dec 21:06:47 BINK Session method: ZedZap
: 08 Dec 21:06:48 BINK Outbound file requests
+ 08 Dec 21:06:55 BINK CPS: 1 (7 bytes)  Efficiency: 0%
+ 08 Dec 21:06:55 BINK Sent-Z/32 K:\Bbs\Outbound\0e1f0032.REQ
! 08 Dec 21:07:28 BINK Zmodem Init Problem Lost Carrier
* 08 Dec 21:07:28 BINK End of WaZOO/EMSI Session
  08 Dec 21:07:28 BINK Received: 0/0 Sent: 1/7 Total: 1/7 CPS: 1
* 08 Dec 21:07:28 BINK Seconds: 69  Tariff: 35  Fee: 70  System: 1:3615/50

It just hung up after about 30 seconds.

I'd suggest you check your logs for the same time period and see what's going
on from that end.

Let me know what I can do.

Thanks

D.

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1109
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 12/08/93  4:55p
Subj: NEWCOMER! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > the server.  Any ideas?   Does anyone have a way of dealing with
 > incoming satellite data ... without manual intervention! Thanks for

John,
 You can F'Req ALLBATS.ARC from here for copies of nearly all my batch files,
including the ones from the P.C. machine.

To answer your specific question, I let the PC software exit when it receives
that marker file, run PCUTIL, do a couple of other things, defrag, then go back
online with the bird. Takes just a minute or 2 if nothing new arrived,
otherwise it's maybe 5 minutes or so.

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1110
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/08/93  3:11p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Not totally ...it has begin to quiver and show signs of new
 > life.



    <snicker>  I know that feeling, Terry, and I wish you luck!


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1111
  To: ROBERT WATSON                            Date: 12/08/93  3:20p
Subj: Searchlight & Planet Connect            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Are there any other Searchlight BBS Software sysops around out there,
 > who are connected to PC or such that would like to possibly trade notes
 > with me.



    Former Searchlight SysOp here, Robert, and boy are you gonna have fun.
<g>

    Needless to say, you'll have to toss all those messages to *.MSG and then
toss them into SLBBS.  Since you're running SLMAIL 3.0, I'd turn off the
message threading thingy (can't recall the command line parameter for it
anymore) to speed things up somewhat.  I used to keep 1,000 in about 75% of
the echo areas (GENEALOGY was an exception to this since it's daily message
volume is so high so I kept 1500 of those).  You'll need to pack/purge often,
of course, and the way that I handled that was by running a pack on the
message bases on alternate days.  The first day only packed the message base
if the first message number was greater than 1000.  The 2nd day packed a
message base only if the 1st message number was greater than 500, and the 3rd
day packed them only if the 1st message number was greater than 250.  Cuts
down on the processing time during maintenance and keeps things reasonably
tidy.

    Don't forget to defrag your mail processing drive often because it will
get fragmented pretty quickly under these conditions.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1112
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 12/07/93  6:13p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Do you think Rime admin is in here? <g>

Don't know John. I'm here via Fido.

-> Ah go ahead and spring for it! (Get the 3 ft Ku! ;-) )

Bob Hunter is getting the 3 ft Ku and he's 35 miles south of me. If it works
out for him with our weather then that's the way I'll go, if he runs into
problems then we'll go with a C-Band system.

I didn't see anything in P_C's info about a 4 foot Ku dish. Do you know if they
have one or just a 2 foot and 3 foot? I guess I should ask Boyd.

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From: RICK MORRIS                            Number: 1113
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 12/09/93  9:00a
Subj: Duplicates                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hopefully the next version of GEcho will allow cranking up the dupe
 > database size to a more viable number.  I liked being able to have it
 > set large enough to cover 7 days of traffic.

I've been asking van.der.land for that for two years now and he's ignored every
request... this comes from one who moved mail on a region level for 18
months...

Rick

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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 1114
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/09/93  9:52p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

DO> I'd suggest you check your logs for the same time period and
DO> see what's going on from that end.

BinkleyTerm has known problems connecting with D'Bridge...It looks like that's
what happening here...

Later...

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 1115
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93 10:18p
Subj: Re: is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Howdy

What are the guidelines for a network to be transmitted via the bird?  I have a
small network here with about 30 boards, that we started in 1988.  Thanks in
advance

Mike

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From: BILL WALTON                            Number: 1116
  To: ROBERT WATSON                            Date: 12/08/93 10:24p
Subj: Re: Searchlight & Planet Connect        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Are there any other Searchlight BBS Software sysops around out there, who
> are connected to PC or such that would like to possibly trade notes with
> me.

> I'm running under Searchlight, and would like to exchange hints and tips
> which might benefit both of us..

yes robert I run SL

Bill

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From: CHRIS CHILDS                           Number: 1117
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/07/93 12:27a
Subj: planet connect                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Can anyone gice me any ballpark prices on how much it would cost to get the
hardware, software, and the service to run planet connect?

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1118
  To: CHRIS CHILDS                             Date: 12/08/93  8:12a
Subj: Planet Connect                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CC->Can anyone gice me any ballpark prices on how much it would cost to get the
CC->hardware, software, and the service to run planet connect?

Probably just about anyone on this echo can do that Chris. <G>  Ballpark
would depend on what you already have, thus what you would have to buy.
If you have everything but the satellite data receiver & software, you
are looking at about $300.  If you also need a dish, you are looking at
about $500-$800 depending on what type & size dish you get.  If you
don't have a computer to dedicate to it, you'll one of those also. The
service costs $30 per month if you don't hub it, or $40 per month if you
do.

Mickey


 * OLX 2.1 * *********For FREE Software support, just dial  1-900-976-
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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 1119
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/08/93  6:06p
Subj: Fancy Schnancy Netmail                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Those systems are at it again......

3831/100, 229/15 and 271/27  routing two of these netmail 'round and 'round the
atmosphere........

Can they be stopped

=============================================================================
* Forwarded by Ervin Jay (1:153/767)
* Area : NET.FID (NetMail FidoNet:  FIDO)
* To   : l
* Subj : ┌ñ}êXε`ôóâ
=============================================================================
@INTL 1:3615/51 1:3615/50

>     αA@â╟Γ⌠├3╥Ç>

@Via FrontDoor 1:271/270@fidonet, Nov 30 1993 at 1:33
@Via QM 1:3615/50, Tue Nov 30 01:48 EDT (v1.26/a49)
@Via QM 1:3821/100, Tue Nov 30 16:06 (v1.31)
@Via QM 1:3615/50, Wed Dec 01 01:40 EDT (v1.26/a49)
@Via QM 1:3821/100, Wed Dec 01 16:04 (v1.31)
@Via QM 1:3615/50, Thu Dec 02 02:24 EDT (v1.26/a49)
@Via FidoPcb v1.5 beta-'e' 1:229/15.0, 02 Dec 93 at 18:15
@Via GEcho 1:229/15, Dec 5 1993 at 1:13
@Via QM 1:3615/50, Sun Dec 05 04:45 EDT (v1.26/b01)
@Via FidoPcb v1.5 beta-'e' 1:229/15.0, 05 Dec 93 at 12:16
@Via GEcho 1:229/15, Dec 5 1993 at 13:18
@Via QM 1:3615/50, Mon Dec 06 05:22 EDT (v1.26/b01)
@Via FrontDoor 1:271/270@fidonet, Dec 8 1993 at 1:31
@Via QM 1:3615/50, Wed Dec 08 01:52 EDT (v1.26/b01)
@Via MsgTrack 1:153/767, Wed Dec 08 1993 at 19:51 UTC
=============================================================================

Cheers, Ervin

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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 1120
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/06/93  6:38p
Subj: GMD MESSAGES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

Friday December 03 1993 21:41, Terry Blount wrote to MARTIN BELCKE:

 TB>  This conference is used for "conducting business" as well as  the
 TB>  support conference for Us Robotics,  WordPerfect,  Desqview,  and
 TB>  Windows has  at  least  four  (4)  conferences  with a  _TON_  of
 TB>  messages!  NOT to mention at least 20  conferences  that  promote
 TB>  commercial BBS programs  ...you mean to  tell  me  that  you  are
 TB>  willing to carry all that echo  mail  containing  promotions  and
 TB>  update info, pricing, customer support, etc...  but  if a  routed
 TB>  netmail message needs to pass through your system  you  would  be
 TB>  _disturb_ if it contained info that would make a customer  happy?
 TB>  I would certainly be happy to allow your routed netmail  to  pass
 TB>  through my system _ESPECIALLY_ if I thought it would benefit  you
 TB>  emotionally, spiritually _OR_ financially.

That's not the point.  Read Policy 4.  If my CD-ROM pubishing firm can't use
routed netmail, you can't either.  ;-)

Later,

Dave

... Clinton Cruise Lines - Taking America for a Ride!

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1121
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/06/93  7:40p
Subj: Networks currently offere               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*@SUBJECT:Networks currently offered                                  N
Can anyone tell me what networks are currently being transferred
via the dish?  I am trying to get all my software and some of
the config stuff going so that I am ready when the dish arrives.

I have Intelec, PEN, FidoNet already.

I am going to get with the admins for the others to see what
is needed.  I also need to upgrade my FidoPCB key to ulimited
instead of the 256 area one and upgrade RoseMail to the satellite
option.

What I would like to get is a list of the nets so that I can
go get their information packs and start setting up their
conferences and do any other things needed to run their net
if I choose to run it.

I guess it would be helpful also to know what distribution
networks are hooked in so I can get my .TIC processor ready.

Thanks
Tim Fierro - Future Planet Connect Customer
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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1122
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/06/93  8:18p
Subj: I forgot this also....<g>               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

About how much disk space is going to be needed to handle the
incoming mail?  Right now I purge messages 10 days old.  Assuming
something of a purge ever xx days, how much disk space to hold
the mail.  Files are a different breed and I already have a solution
for those, I only now need to calculate the disk space for mail
and start making room to place the mail.
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From: RF TOLLI                               Number: 1123
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/07/93 11:17p
Subj: New                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


The Blind Hog Saloon BBS in NW FL is pleased to be carrying this echo.
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From: RF TOLLI                               Number: 1124
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/09/93 12:52a
Subj: New                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


The Blind Hog Saloon BBS in NW FL is pleased to be carrying this echo.
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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1125
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/10/93  2:32a
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Well it does try but the thing comes back and tells me that the
> screen is too large and bombs out.  Any other rippers out there
> that can do it please fill me in.

  Maybe someone will write a conversion to get it full blown.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1126
  To: DALLAS HINTON                            Date: 12/10/93  2:32a
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG> die my hair back to its original color.

> :-))

> Take it from me -- it doesn't work! :-))

   Well I got a few good years in me yet.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1127
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 12/10/93  2:33a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> You also get them from John as he has a Send line for you....

   Well I have yet to see a reouted messages to me come thru John's system to
me. I pick all my routed mail up from my hub.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1128
  To: BASIL GROMAN                             Date: 12/10/93  2:34a
Subj: Re: TVAGENT                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> At this particular point in time, those listings are useless to me.  So
> make this another vote for an alternative form of copy protection for the
> TV agent.

   We are. Did you see my message in the PCSITES?

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1129
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/10/93  2:35a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Persistent, aren't they!!   :)!
> Fred

   Yes! I think they all got a bit of maritimers blood in them.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1130
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/10/93  2:36a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Least you still have some!!!

  33 and a full set of hair. Isn't life grand?


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1131
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/10/93  2:36a
Subj: Re: HI!!                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Division by zero in line 0 of module PCUTL at address 1514:0046.


    Thats a John Morano question. Hey John can you help him out?


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1132
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/10/93  2:41a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG> forwarded to John I will be deleting it.

> Be careful Boyd.....As you know, there are those that are not happy about
> the Planet Connect service and look for any excuse to raise a ruckus.....

   Not to worry. I got that fixed now. Everything goes to John. I have my hub
complaining now because a system routed 700+ MsgTrack messages to my system
thru standard means and he did not like it too much.

> To delete undeliverable netmail is very much against policy and could
> easily put your node number in the middle of a policy complaint.....If
> you agree to route it then you also agree to return it if you cant.

   I know. But like I said I am under no obligation to anyone to route their
netmail. I said I will try this and see. Seems I got the routing down pat now
thanks to one of our users.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1133
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/10/93  2:42a
Subj: Re: TVAGENT                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Thanks much, Boyd, hopefully I'm not the only one who will thank you
> for
> it.  :)

   You are much welcome.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1134
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/10/93  2:43a
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Drats, I thought I deleted 3615/50 from that echo distribution.  ;D

   Well I dont mind. With me being single I have to sprouce up my 3 mintutes of
free time a day.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1135
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/10/93  2:46a
Subj: Re: Dupes                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>>    May have to go to that.


> You're certainly welcome, Boyd, as long as you're not in the line to
> throw
> the bride and/or groom into the lake following the nuptials.  <G>

   Yey and the next thing I know I would come back and the whole system will be
down. Cant have that now.

>>     Heck the boss wont even let me have a day off let alone go to
> Texas!


> Beg...  tell him it's good PR.


   Weeeeeellll.....  maybe!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1136
  To: SEAN PEOPLES                             Date: 12/10/93  2:46a
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG>      Almost as good as the Playboy channel...

> Probably better...:-)

   Got that right!

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1137
  To: BRIAN HESS                               Date: 12/10/93  2:48a
Subj: Re: ZyXELnet                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hello Boyd!

> Area ZYXELROM   0   !     ZyXELNET: ZYXEL Firmware
> Area ZYXTEXT    0   !     ZyXELNET: ZyXEL Text Files
> Area ZYXTOOL    0   !     ZYXELNET: ZyXEL 3rd Party Tools
> ;                           Info File: ZYXELNET.*
> ;            North America ZyXBONE HQ: Patrick Martin 1:102/825
> ;                      Suggested Conf: ZYXEL (backbone)


> is the above coming over the dish? If not what can be done to get it on
> the dish?
> I can put a good word in for you if can tell me the requirements you need
> filled.. ( I am the ZyXELNET region 27 RC & REC)


   I know the conference is going but dont know about the files. I have almost
everything as pass thru and dont see whats going thru much. My tic cfg file has
everything in it so it is hard to tell.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1138
  To: RICK ROSINSKI                            Date: 12/10/93  2:48a
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> What about messages from echoes in the FIDONET.NO file?  We are getting
> those echoes via the satellite.

   Yes it is.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1139
  To: TOM WEISS                                Date: 12/10/93  2:49a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG>    Who's Veger?

> You're probably not a Star Trek Fan.  It was supposedly one of the first
> unmanned deep space probes sent out to learn and adapt.  It's original
> name was Voyageur.  However, it's name got mutilated in a space accident.

   Ok now I remember. i am a trek fan but my memory is somewhere out there with
it.


...Boyd

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1140
  To: ROBERT WATSON                            Date: 12/09/93 10:45p
Subj: Duplicates                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Robert!

In a message to All <12/06/93> Robert Watson wrote:

RW> Could someone please help me understand they're solution to the Duplicate
RW> problem.. Is there a specific tosser or such that seems to be doing a goo
RW> job at eliminating duplicates? If so, which one(s) are you using?

RW> Also a brief outline as to how you've set it up would certainly help me
RW> alot...
I use DUPMSG on my Wildcat System, which reminds me, I got to
regester it.  Works super.
Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * PUT THE COMPUTER DOWN, HONEY..I'm quitting NOW!

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1141
  To: JERRY RUSSELL                            Date: 12/09/93  3:48p
Subj: NEWCOMER! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >  I have a 4 computer setup here, as I am NEC for the NET and here is

Leave up to a consultant to use 4 computers for a 2 computer job. <snicker>

Hi Jerry!

I'd like to get a copy of allfix and whack on it. Can I FREQ it from you?

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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1142
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 12/09/93 11:58a
Subj: Duplicates                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim,

* In a message originally to Robert Watson, Tim Brown said:

 > RW>Could someone please help me understand they're solution to the
 > Duplicates
 > RW>problem.. Is there a specific tosser or such that seems to be doing a
 > good
 > RW>job at eliminating duplicates? If so, which one(s) are you using?

 > RW>Also a brief outline as to how you've set it up would certainly help me
 > RW>alot...

 > I am running GEcho as a tosser and have set the dupe file to
 > it's max:
 > 32766 entries.  This sure made a difference... got an
 > unbelievable
 > number of dupes before... I figure that it took care of 95%
 > of them.

 > Unfortunately, with an entire backbone feed as with Planet
 > Connect and a
 > few other network feeds I may see from 38,000 to 48,000
 > messages
 > processed in 2 days (and I'm sure the number isn't going to
 > be getting
 > any smaller).  That means that it's possible that a message
 > that comes
 > through as a dupe may no longer be in the database even a day
 > later!

 > Hopefully the next version of GEcho will allow cranking up
 > the dupe
 > database size to a more viable number.  I liked being able to
 > have it
 > set large enough to cover 7 days of traffic.

So far the number is not increased, look at tear line...
Another valuable thing is to also enable the seen-by checking, it will catch
the 5% you missing now:)

John

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From: GEORGE PEACE                           Number: 1143
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/08/93 11:48a
Subj: TIC'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  Weeeelllllll now I think the format will be in the bag format (like
 >Pagesat's) that a lot of uucp gateway programs have made changes for. Still

<sigh> Sorry to hear that. Another new "standard" forcing us to choose
modified software or be left out. I'm sure there are good reasons, both
technical and market, for using .Bag files. And my software loves them.
I'm just enjoying whining today. ;-)

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1144
  To: JEFF WARD                                Date: 12/09/93 10:39p
Subj: Re: RIME                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hi Boyd!

> Any idea on when RIME will start feeding? Thanks!

   Hopefully soon! Just waiting on Bonnie.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1145
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/09/93 10:43p
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Just tell him it's the Canadian spelling :-)).

     Tried that. I think he is starting to catch on to my canadien ways.

....Boyd

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1146
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/09/93 10:34p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Dave   Osborne   wrote   in  a   message    to    Boyd    Goodin:

DO> It wasn't Bink, it was  ClassAxe.    I've  since  gotten  a  new
DO> version of Bink and I'll try it out in the next  day  or  so  to
DO> make sure all works.  Will advise.

 If you are talking about this latest version that came  over  the
 bird:

 BDOS_258 ZIP   297990  12-01-93  11:15p

 you may be interested in the docs:


  This is TEST SOFTWARE.  You are  NOT  AUTHORIZED  to  pass  this
  software on to ANYONE without  explicit  permission  granted  by
  Vince Perriello, Bob Hartman or Alan  Bryant.    The   penalties
  for such transgressions are very severe:  we  will  get   pissed
  off  and  send you a copy of  someone  else's  software  to  run
  (whichever one happens to  REALLY  scare  you  most).  You  have
  been warned.


 I was a little  stunned  that  software  bearing  such a  warning
 would be distributed via the Filebone?

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From: FLETCH BOWLING                         Number: 1147
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 12/08/93  8:39p
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John !

In a message to All <12/05/93> John Dodson wrote:

JD> Hello All!

JD> I finally found the G-4 satellite and began receiving data about 10 days
JD> ago.  I have a few questions! <g>

JD> I have a dedicated machine receiving the satellite data, configured as a
JD> Lantastic server.  This works fine.  I am looking for a way to automate
JD> the processing of the data.  I have tried running PCUTIL from a
JD> workstation (which is my BBS) .. but cannot get it to work properly.
JD> PCUTIL works fine if I take down the satellite software and run it from
JD> the server.  Any ideas?   Does anyone have a way of dealing with
JD> incoming satellite data ... without manual intervention! Thanks for your
JD> help!

execute it from another workstation but have it configured to look
at your sat server. I have been doing it for some time now with
no problems whatso ever ..

                        ttl,Fletch



JD> --- QScan v1.02b
JD>  * Origin: * La Cantina BBS * El Paso 915-532-0332 v.32bis/DS 4G (1:381/1

 * WCE 1.10/2185 *


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From: JOE MEADORS                            Number: 1148
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/09/93  7:38a
Subj: Planet Connect Info.                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Just curious to know how your efforts are progressing in getting your
promotional video duplicated and distributed to those - like myself - who have
asked for information about Planet Connect.

Warmest Regards,

Joe

FidoNet: 1:160/230
BizyNet: 70:1/80
Internet: [e-mail]

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 1149
  To: BOB FRADY                                Date: 12/09/93  7:03a
Subj: New Guy                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I just wanted to so howdy. I'm the new guy on the block here. Just
 > finished getting my system switched over. So far I'm very pleased

Hey Bob!  You mean you didn't like paying those high LD charges to get
your mail from us? <BIG GRIN>

Ed

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 1150
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/09/93  7:08a
Subj: Tvagent                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I still maintain, the TV listing stuff serves a useful
 > function...it shows that you are between cycles of the stuff you can use.
<G>

I always use the TV listings arrival as a good time to take down the program to
see what's new in my "personal" directory.  In other words they are quite
useless here as well. <g>

Ed

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 1151
  To: JOHN BIERRIE                             Date: 12/09/93  6:50p
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JB>      In the message above, Tracy suggests something which I
JB> too would really like to see...  Just adding one more voice
JB> to the idea. :-)

Edit the CHECK.IDX file with any editor....  ;-)

John......

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From: MICHAEL GROWNEY                        Number: 1152
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/09/93  7:28p
Subj: Internet/where?                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

How and where can I log on to Internet?
How much does it cost?
Is it availiable in the Sacramento, CA area?
What can I do on Internet?
Why do dogs like to lick my toes?
OPPS! For get that last question!

Thanks!
... **** KD6SRC ****  147.195+ or 145.250- **** Sacramento, CA. ****
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From: RALPH LOBIANCO                         Number: 1153
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 12/10/93 12:59p
Subj: I forgot this also....<g>               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


-> About how much disk space is going to be needed to handle the
-> incoming mail?  Right now I purge messages 10 days old.  Assuming
-> something of a purge ever xx days, how much disk space to hold
-> the mail.  Files are a different breed and I already have a solution
-> for those, I only now need to calculate the disk space for mail and
-> start making room to place the mail.
-> --- FidoPCB v1.4 [f0f83/a]

Im purging at 10 days and Im useing over 250 Meg right now.. I would
say 300 Meg for all the fido confereces would be safe..

Ralph

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1154
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 12/09/93  4:14p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Bob Hunter is getting the 3 ft Ku and he's 35 miles south of me. If it
 > works out for him with our weather then that's the way I'll go, if he
 > runs into problems then we'll go with a C-Band system.



    In the for what it's worth department, Mark, we've had some horrendous
storms down here in North Lousyana (that's Louisiana for the uninformed) since
we set up our KU band dish and we've had no loss of data due to any of them so
far.  It's been a very reliable setup for us down here despite the bad
weather.  Heck, it's raining again down here now, but not heavily.

     Can't wait to see how it'll do in snow.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1155
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 12/09/93  4:22p
Subj: PCBoard Files ..                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Jens Mueller is the temp HQ's for PCB.  We're working on getting it to
 > John right this moment.  Good 'ol Jens ain't no stinking control freak



    Yep, saw your message re: this in FILE_MOVERS, Jim.  I was debating on
whether or not to copy the original message there but you beat me to it.  <g>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1156
  To: STEVE PERLO                              Date: 12/10/93  4:10a
Subj: Tic'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SP>RR> that our HUB isn't CONSTANTLY tied up getting PC mail.

SP>What do you think about letting me FREQ that PCCHECK utility for use on
SP>our nets HUB (my system..) It would save us a LOT of time and trouble..?

Ola' Steve. Better idea! Let's persuade Mark Gibson or Rudolf Rothemund
to hatch PCHECK out in Utilnet2. Then we can ALL get it.

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1157
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/10/93  2:29p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

> BG> forwarded to John I will be deleting it.
BG>
> Be careful Boyd.....As you know, there are those that are not happy about
> the Planet Connect service and look for any excuse to raise a ruckus.....
BG>
BG>    Not to worry. I got that fixed now. Everything goes to
BG> John. I have my hub complaining now because a system routed
BG> 700+ MsgTrack messages to my system thru standard means and
BG> he did not like it too much.

Well dont worry everyone else is going to bitch too.....You just sent about 50
corrupted and grundged message reports thru to everyone today.....:)

> To delete undeliverable netmail is very much against policy and could
> easily put your node number in the middle of a policy complaint.....If
> you agree to route it then you also agree to return it if you cant.
BG>
BG>    I know. But like I said I am under no obligation to
BG> anyone to route their netmail.

Agreed.....Until you state that you will.....at that point you obligate
yourself to return those that are undeliverable.

[e-mail]

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1158
  To: SEAN PEOPLES                             Date: 12/10/93 12:23p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 09 21:52>, Sean Peoples writes:

 SP>BinkleyTerm has known problems connecting with D'Bridge...It
 SP>looks like that's what happening here...

Really?  One of my downlink hubs is using d'Bridge and I have no problem with
him.  As well as several other systems locally using d'Bridge with no problem.
Strange.

I'll accept what you say, wonder if it's just certain versions or what?  Also
could be exagerated by the ISDN speed.  Oh well.....

D.

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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1159
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/10/93  9:46p
Subj: Is anyone seeing this?                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


help!!!!!
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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 1160
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 12/10/93  4:36p
Subj: .qwk packets                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thomas Beal wrote in a message to All:

TB> Does anyone out there have a .qwk packet to Hudson or JAM
TB> message base converter?  Someone told me that a program
TB> called Fred Gate works?  I'm running Remote Access 2.01 Pro
TB> 10.  Thanks.

fredgate doesn't do that, It converts usenet stuff to *.pkt files.


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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1161
  To: RF TOLLI                                 Date: 12/11/93  2:59a
Subj: Is This Getting Out                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


RT>I hate FD!!!  Let's see if this makes it out to TN- if it does, We
RT>are finally connected to Planet Connect.

Yep, ya made it to the bird. Welcome!

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From: RICHARD BASH                           Number: 1162
  To: MICHAEL GROWNEY                          Date: 12/10/93  2:51p
Subj: Internet/where?                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> How and where can I log on to Internet?
-> How much does it cost?
-> Is it availiable in the Sacramento, CA area?
-> What can I do on Internet?
-> Why do dogs like to lick my toes?
-> OPPS! For get that last question!


Best source of answers is the Fido INTERNET echo (areafix it today).
There are numerous sources for linking up. Prices seem to run $20+ per
month. Proces have been dropping. Sources are repeatly listing the the
Fido INTERNET echo. Yes, Sacramento's not a problem.


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From: JOHN BIERRIE                           Number: 1163
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/10/93  5:20p
Subj: grunged messages...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,
     I don't know if it's just me here, but we've been getting a number of
these grunged NetMail messages over the past week or so.  For the most part
they look like the following:

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Date : Nov 19 '93, 23:43                                            Pvt From :
                                                     1:3615/50.0 To   : l
                                              1:3615/51.0 Subj : ┌ñ  }êXε  `ôóâ

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────NFnN$9$9á£/(Fido) Planet Connect    



























































































    C:\62.TXT
e coming across and being tossed into my NetMail area.  Just wondering...

John

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From: JOSH HEIZMAN                           Number: 1164
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/10/93  8:52p
Subj: FastEcho and QWK                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Two Questions:

A)  Does anyone with a PC Satellite (which I would think would just about be
all of you <smile>) run FastEcho??

B)  While I'm here, does anyone have a QWK <=> PKT converter??

Thanks-
Josh Heizman
Co-SysOp File Shop

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From: BASIL GROMAN                           Number: 1165
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/10/93  9:13p
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > > At this particular point in time, those listings are useless to me.  So
 > > make this another vote for an alternative form of copy protection for the
 > > TV agent.
 >
 >    We are. Did you see my message in the PCSITES?

Yes I did.  Am looking forward to browsing the listings.

Thanks,

Basil

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From: BOB FRADY                              Number: 1166
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 12/10/93 11:31p
Subj: New Guy                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  > I just wanted to so howdy. I'm the new guy on the block here. Just
->  > finished getting my system switched over. So far I'm very pleased
->
-> Hey Bob!  You mean you didn't like paying those high LD charges to ge
-> your mail from us? <BIG GRIN>
->
-> Ed

I thought I saw you floating around here. I've been fighting network
problems the last couple of days, but I'm getting more echomail than I
ever beleived possible. Just put in a new fileserver with 2gigs to
handle everything. But I'm really enjoying the satellite downlink. But I
couldn't complain about the service from you though. Its just Southern
Bell <G>.

Bob


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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 1167
  To: GARY CHAMBERS                            Date: 12/04/93  9:08a
Subj: Assumption?                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Gary!

01 Dec 93 14:22, Gary Chambers wrote to All:

 GC> Is it safe to assume that if this message is received by someone else,
 GC> that my net's echomail is being sent properly?  A reply would be nice...

 GC> Thank you,
 GC> GeeCee/2

 GC> -+- 80486DX2-66 & OS/2
 GC>  + Origin: Mystic Seaport Inn OiS/2 - ZyXEL - [phone] (1:275/37)

How do you like your ZyXEL modem? I love mine.....


Thank you,
         Brian

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1168
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/10/93 11:14a
Subj: PCUTIL                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  >> I have written a utility that does dupe checking for all areas
 > >> and will copy/move/erase dupes and new files to specified
 >  >> subdirectories. It also checks and logs unlisted (not in
 >
 >  JD> Great.  I wonder if we could start a new file echoe for this sort of
 > thing
 >  JD> and have it sent over the bird?
 >
 > I figured I get it out through either Softdist or one of the
 > Utilnet's (I think it's 2 that goes over the sat feed).  It's

Let us know the filename and we can freq it from you in the meantime.

Keep up the positive attitude.

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1169
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/10/93 11:15a
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hello Timothy!
 >
 > In a message to All <12/05/93> Timothy Wagoner wrote:
 >
 > TW> I am now set up for Planet Connect am am testing to see if the
 > echomailTW> goes through.
 >
 > Got it here in Middle Tennessee.
 > Joe

Hey, I'm in middle Tn.  YOu are in lower-middle Tn. <g>

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1170
  To: BRIAN HESS                               Date: 12/09/93  9:57p
Subj: ZyXELnet                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BH> Area ZYXTOOL    0   !     ZYXELNET: ZyXEL 3rd Party Tools
 BH> ;                           Info File: ZYXELNET.*
 BH> ;            North America ZyXBONE HQ: Patrick Martin 1:102/825
 BH> ;                      Suggested Conf: ZYXEL (backbone)


 BH> is the above coming over the dish? If not what can be
 BH> done to get it on the dish?

They should be coming over the dish......



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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 1171
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/10/93  6:36p
Subj: Re: rime                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Any idea on when RIME will start feeding? Thanks! BG
     Hopefully soon! Just waiting on Bonnie.

  ....Boyd


        Please convince her to use your service.  We are a RIME BBS and it
would be great to pull in the RIME echoes via satellite.  I think the problem
is that she has too many options presented to her at the moment and doesn't
know which one to choose.

 * 1st 1.10 #310s * Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...


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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1172
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 12/11/93  1:36p
Subj: Re: Is This Getting Out                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 -=> Quoting Foxy Ferguson to Rf Tolli <=-

 FF> Yep, ya made it to the bird. Welcome!

Haleleulah!!  Grin- this is all sorta overwelming for a country boy!

Thanks for the welcome- I'm happy to BE here, finally!

-RFT-
AKA "Troll"


... Running a BBS is like nailing Jello to a tree.
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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1173
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/11/93  1:48p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I was just wondering what BBS software some of you are using with PC. With the
coming of Usenet, among other things, I want to hear your suggestions on what
is good for the users. I want to offer all the areas as non-passthru and also
want to allow downloading via QWK. What mail door will handle all the
newsgroups and Fido backbone while QUICKLY scanning the confs. Also, what
tosser will import these areas QUICKLY into the BBS. So far, I see that Maximus
is best for this, but is there anything else I might try before opening my BBS
to the public?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions and comments.

Regards,
           Robert

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1174
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/10/93 11:12a
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks to ALL of you who responded with some vewry helpful suggestions
on how best to automate a PC setup!

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1175
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 12/10/93 11:12a
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MA>I didn't see anything in P_C's info about a 4 foot Ku dish. Do you know if t
MA>have one or just a 2 foot and 3 foot? I guess I should ask Boyd.

I saw a 4 ft Ku in the info file for the Canadian group .. so I'm sure
you can get a 4 ft Ku dish.

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1176
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/09/93  5:56p
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > then I guess you don't need repeats.  Remember it only takes ONE error
 > for you to miss a mail bundle!  Sure, you'll say "but I'd just freq t
 > from Boyd"; but you might not say that if you were in Bermuda! <G>
 > If Planet Connect stops repeating the mail and you don't get everything
 > the when it is sent, it is lost for good.  Not everyone can afford

Worst of all, how do you even know that you missed anything, let alone *what*
you missed? Dunno about you, but I don't have the *time* to poke around every
single day, just to see if I missed something. It damn well *better* be
repeated! :-)

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From: CARL NAVARRO                           Number: 1177
  To: CHRIS CHILDS                             Date: 12/07/93  8:37p
Subj: Re: planet connect                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 -=> Quoting Chris Childs to All <=-

 CC> Hey anybody:
 CC> I just got into this planet connect and thing and i was just
 CC> wondering.  About how much would it cost me to get it all connected to
 CC> my house? I am  talking the software and hardware required. How much
 CC> would all of that be  total?

Send us all your money and we'll give you back what's left :-).

Depends.  What are ya gonna do with it?  If you just capture the data on
a machine, a 100MB HD would be O.K.  A 286 should do that without a problem.
So, all ya need is the Satellite system and a computer to collect it.

Now, did you want to do someting else with the data?  Perhaps a network
would be in order, something to munch the mail, and, don't forget the BBS.
The satellite is easy.  $550 or so (Ku band), $40/month for service, find
a computer to store the data on, and buy Netware 1.1 (Cards at $50 each,
software at $69 each).  This adds the Filebone to your present system.

Now, you might want a third machine to munch the mail so that the PC machine
can continuously collect data, and the associated network card and software.
You can easily add another $4-500 to your cost.

Is it worth it?  You bet your bottom!  Not only do you get FIDO, but all the
files in the SDN and some other networks, as well as Usenet, the Worthless
Weather and TV listings (oops PERKS!).  As time goes on, this will be the
only way to go!  Newsaholics unite!

Carl Navarro





... Use DEVICE=EXXON to screw up your environment area.
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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 1178
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 12/10/93 10:48p
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec1022:48, John Dodson of 1:381/[e-mail] writes:
 JD> if I take down the satellite software and run it from the
 JD> server.  Any ideas?   Does anyone have a way of dealing with
 JD> incoming satellite data ... without manual intervention!
The setup that we have is quite simple. We run the software under Desqview.
When the batch file drops to the maintainance task it spawns another batch job
to run DSZ. DSZ in turn sends the data to the processor machine at 38400 baud
(using an 8250 which is OK for transmission only) and a task on the OS/2
machine(TE/2) picks up the data and deposits it in the inbound. After DSZ runs
it deletes the data, then batch job/task ends. The main processing task just
looks for data in the inbound when ever it is not busy and tosses the mail.
There are four outbound lines at 14400 and the serial inbound line at 38400
(16550 of course) and the OS/2 machine can receive/toss and send mail
continuously with about 56 percent CPU usage. The stand alone machine is a 486
- 16 bit wide IBM clone motherboard 4 meg ram at 25x2 Mhz with a 100 meg IDE
hard drive. This provides lots of space. The OS/2 machine is an Intel 486 33Mhz
- 16 meg ram with a 1 gig drive. The actual usage for the mail and files is
more in the neighbourhood of 330 Meg. for BBS usage. The events must be set to
poll the sites each hour with the lines staggered at every half hour. This is
also set into the BBS schedule (MAX - events00.bbs) so that the mail has a
chance to get out on a timely basis. I have developed a Rexx script to automate
most aspects of hadling the mail under OS/2. If anybody is interested freq.
control.zip when my system is not busy - good luck!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1179
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/11/93  1:34p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jerry!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/10/93> Jerry Dunlap wrote:

JD>  > Hello Timothy!
JD>  >
JD>  > In a message to All <12/05/93> Timothy Wagoner wrote:
JD>  >
JD>  > TW> I am now set up for Planet Connect am am testing to see if the
JD>  > echomailTW> goes through.
JD>  >
JD>  > Got it here in Middle Tennessee.
JD>  > Joe

JD> Hey, I'm in middle Tn.  YOu are in lower-middle Tn. <g>

Oh well 75 miles off ehh.
Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Reality is for people who can't handle computers.

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From: MIKE ROBERT                            Number: 1180
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/11/93 10:03a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 TB>  BDOS_258 ZIP   297990  12-01-93  11:15p

 TB>  you may be interested in the docs:


 TB>   This is TEST SOFTWARE.  You are  NOT  AUTHORIZED  to  pass  this
 TB>   software on to ANYONE without  explicit  permission  granted  by
 TB>   Vince Perriello, Bob Hartman or Alan  Bryant.    The   penalties
 TB>   for such transgressions are very severe:  we  will  get   pissed
 TB>   off  and  send you a copy of  someone  else's  software  to  run
 TB>   (whichever one happens to  REALLY  scare  you  most).  You  have
 TB>   been warned.


 TB>  I was a little  stunned  that  software  bearing  such a  warning
      [...]

Terry, I'm pretty sure that this is tongue-in-cheek to the max. The Binkley
trio are saying in a roundabout way that this is beta software and not to
complain if your system gets fried. That same warning has been on all the betas
in my recollection.

        -Mike


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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 1181
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 12/11/93  3:05p
Subj: Duplicates                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tim!

Wednesday December 08 1993, Tim Brown writes to Robert Watson:

 TB> Hopefully the next version of GEcho will allow cranking up the dupe
 TB> database size to a more viable number.  I liked being able to have it
 TB> set large enough to cover 7 days of traffic.

Would that number, for checking dupes, not be on an echo tag by echo tag basis.

eg 32,000 dup per echotag... that is the way it works in Squish and QM at
least.

32,000 seems like a terribly high number and must eat up incredible amounts of
disk.

Cheers, Ervin

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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1182
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 12/11/93  9:32p
Subj: Tic'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Foxy

In a message to Steve Perlo <12/10/93> Foxy Ferguson wrote:

FF> Ola' Steve. Better idea! Let's persuade Mark Gibson or Rudolf Rothemund
FF> to hatch PCHECK out in Utilnet2. Then we can ALL get it.

Great Idea Foxy! Who do you think we should bug first. BTW I love your
opening line (Ola'). Hope to be at the next Mediate meeting..

 * WCE 1.10/2008 * KLEPTOMANIA!  Take something for it!


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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1183
  To: KEITH SIPPY                              Date: 12/10/93  8:02a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Keith,
 I simply took FIDONET.NA and built a huge AREAS.BBS that included all those
areas. Took about an hour and a half using TSE (Qedit on steroids), and now all
my downlinks can turn on any echo that's there.

Yeah, it's the brute-force method, but it worked.

Now, to get AREAFIX to automatically update the AREAS.BBS when unrecognized
areas arrive. I'm told that that's possible.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1184
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/11/93  2:01a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 09 22:34>, Terry Blount writes:

 TB>This is TEST SOFTWARE.  You are  NOT  AUTHORIZED  to  pass  this
 TB>software on to ANYONE without  explicit  permission  granted  by
 TB>Vince Perriello, Bob Hartman or Alan  Bryant.

 TB> I was a little  stunned  that  software  bearing  such a
 TB>warning would be distributed via the Filebone?

It's a wide beta release sanctioned by Vince.  He just distributed the same
file that most of the beta testers had been using.

Got your attention, huh?   :-)

D.

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From: KYLE HEARN                             Number: 1185
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/10/93  9:32p
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin stated these words of wisdom to Dennis Powers:

> Just tell him it's the Canadian spelling :-)).
BG>
BG>      Tried that. I think he is starting to catch on to my
BG> canadien ways.


Boyd,

        I am very interested in hooking up to the plannet connect system and am
considering purchasing it in the very near future. I do not have a dish at the
moment and imagine I would be buying it with the system to make sure it works
correctly. How much would this cost me for everything I need to start and then
is there a monthly fee? How do I need to pay, etc.? Please respond.

                               Kyle

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From: JOHN BIERRIE                           Number: 1186
  To: JOSH HEIZMAN                             Date: 12/12/93  5:22a
Subj: FastEcho and QWK                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Josh Heizman, in a message to All, you wrote:

JH> A)  Does anyone with a PC Satellite (which I would think
JH> would just about be all of you <smile>) run FastEcho??

Josh,
     We're running it here with no problems.

John

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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 1187
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/12/93 11:55a
Subj: Duplicates                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

EJ>Hello Tim!

EJ>Wednesday December 08 1993, Tim Brown writes to Robert Watson:

EJ> TB> Hopefully the next version of GEcho will allow cranking up the dupe
EJ> TB> database size to a more viable number.  I liked being able to have it
EJ> TB> set large enough to cover 7 days of traffic.

EJ>Would that number, for checking dupes, not be on an echo tag by echo tag
EJ>basis.


EJ>eg 32,000 dup per echotag... that is the way it works in Squish and QM at
EJ>least.

EJ>32,000 seems like a terribly high number and must eat up incredible amounts
EJ>d
EJ>isk.

EJ>Cheers, Ervin

If it be an area limit instead of a global limit, I would have an issue
with it. <g>

-Tim


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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1188
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 12/12/93  7:59a
Subj: .qwk packets                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Does anyone out there have a .qwk packet to Hudson or JAM message base
 > converter?  Someone told me that a program called Fred Gate works?  I'm
 > running Remote Access 2.01 Pro 10.  Thanks.

Look around at any RADIST site (sorry I purged mine...accidentally ): for a
file called MKNET???.*  Supports JAM, Squish, Hudson, and *.MSG

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1189
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/08/93 10:17p
Subj: ROUTED NETMAIL                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >  * Origin: Earth Station WA4KDC Planet Connected via Galaxy 4

73 de VE3CUZ on same bird

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1190
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/08/93 10:36p
Subj: USENET FILES                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Hello Boyd,

I am relative new to the usenet/internet arena, and presumably you are too. So
I am hoping that you or someone else can tell me/us how we're can handle some
of the logistics behind setting up the newsgroups via PC. I presently have a
feed from a local system, and may wish to feed him. However, the problem I
forsee in the mean time is how I process inbound newsgroups via PC and send
outbound mail to my landline link. Any thoughts, ideas?

Regards


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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1191
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 12/12/93  9:57p
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> It does allow you to create an icon but it all has to be done manually.
> We need a utility that works in a batch file.

   Well hopefully someone will write one one of these days.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1192
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 12/12/93  9:59p
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I had to play with the recommended settings to get one that works for
> me.. was
> almost at the very top of the list - far away from the most recommended -
> before I started getting error-free reception..  had I not had an
> ex-satellite
> tech here to play around with these things I'd probably be only getting
> 30% of
> the files right now <G>

    Well it varies with either the location or the data-receiver. Each receiver
is tested before being allowed to be shipped with the normal settings. We do
not get any errors off a 3 foot ku or the 7.5 foot c-band.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1193
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/12/93 10:00p
Subj: Re: IS ANYONE OUT THERE?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> 002 worked MUCH MUCH better.  I got TONS of errors "repositioning" during
> the 001 file.  .002 tossed just fine.

Yap. I think that I will have to toss in toss out. I will be trying 12 bit
compression on the bag file and still compress the pcusnet files with pkzip
just to see what happens.

...boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1194
  To: NICK ASHTON-HART                         Date: 12/12/93 10:01p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> ^^^^^
> Looks like it's too late already.

   never too late, just too tired.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1195
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/12/93 10:03p
Subj: Re: Echo's                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> JB?  I figured you boys would be burning Tennessee Lemonaid.  :-)

    Now Dave remember. I am not from here. The closest we can get to that
lemonaid is Newfoundland screech and that use to burn my stomach.

..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1196
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/12/93 10:07p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> It wasn't Bink, it was ClassAxe.  I've since gotten a new version of Bink
> and I'll try it out in the next day or so to make sure all works.  Will
> advise.

  Funny how I could connect with you at anytime.

> I still haven't decided whether I'm keeping the ISDN or not.  Equipment
> cost are still a question.

   I hope the price is reasonable.

> BTW, got the equipment.  No instructions however...  but that never
> stopped me before.  Say which side goes toward the satellite?  Convex or
> concave side?  <smirk>

   Well thats because we wanted everyone to get aqqainted with thier equipment.
If we told you how to put it together then it take all the fun out of learning
what it does.;-)

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1197
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/12/93 10:07p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Ha!  Yeh, well be happy you still have some hair.  I'm gaining this
> increasingly polished spot on front from going "<slap> Oh No!!"  a little
> too often.  :-)

   What's that blonde joke?


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1198
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 12/12/93 10:14p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I realize you're up against a stiff learning curve, but, had anyone in
> your
> organization ever been involved in moving echomail before?  This isn't
> meant to be a smartass question, it's just that some of the answers I'm
> seeing don't indicate even a basic knowledge of routing and how it works.


   Yap me. I have been fido for about 4 years now. I know about routing and
what is involved. John said it best on exactly what will have to be done for
return mail from John to the systems that connect with me.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1199
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 12/12/93 10:42p
Subj: Re: is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> What are the guidelines for a network to be transmitted via the bird?  I
> have a small network here with about 30 boards, that we started in 1988.
> Thanks in advance

    Best call by voice on that one.

..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1200
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/12/93 10:43p
Subj: Re: Fancy Schnancy Netmail              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Those systems are at it again......

> 3831/100, 229/15 and 271/27  routing two of these netmail 'round and
> 'round the
> atmosphere........

> Can they be stopped


   I've done some changes here that will hopefully catch those things and not
let em go though.

..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1201
  To: JERRY SCROGGIN                           Date: 12/12/93 10:45p
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> out of dv the pc seems solid enough..every once in a while i see that it
> has not snatched a mail packet...dv gets numerous errors..well i see
> know errors...i only see about half the files i should...i have upgraded
> to dos 6.02, qemm 7.03, dv 2.61 and checked hyperdisk. I'm at a
> loss..working a a 286/12 to throw on the network to handle it.

   Well guy I wish I could help you but I dont know Sh*t about Dv. I am sure
soem of the guys/gals in here could help you out.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1202
  To: RF TOLLI                                 Date: 12/12/93 10:46p
Subj: Re: New                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> The Blind Hog Saloon BBS in NW FL is pleased to be carrying this echo.


 Got ya here too Rf. Welcome....


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1203
  To: GEORGE PEACE                             Date: 12/12/93 10:51p
Subj: Re: TIC'S                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> modified software or be left out. I'm sure there are good reasons, both
> technical and market, for using .Bag files. And my software loves them.
> I'm just enjoying whining today. ;-)

    If your software loves em then we dont change anything. What if we said we
were going to put it in our own style and had every software company out there
make changes to thier software to suite us. I would imagin that they would do
it but if they have it aready done to work with PageSat then we sould keep it
in that format.


....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1204
  To: RF TOLLI                                 Date: 12/12/93 10:51p
Subj: Re: Is this getting out                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I hate FD!!!  Let's see if this makes it out to TN- if it does, We are
> finally
> connected to Planet Connect.

   Got you here....


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1205
  To: JOE MEADORS                              Date: 12/12/93 10:52p
Subj: Re: Planet Connect Info.                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Just curious to know how your efforts are progressing in getting your
> promotional video duplicated and distributed to those - like myself - who
> have asked for information about Planet Connect.

   We are getting about all caught up.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1206
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/12/93 10:56p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Well dont worry everyone else is going to bitch too.....You just sent
> about 50 corrupted and grundged message reports thru to everyone
> today.....:)

    Thats a loop that one system keeps routing back to me then over the bird. I
made a few changes here and hopefully it will catch those messages.


> Agreed.....Until you state that you will.....at that point you obligate
> yourself to return those that are undeliverable.

  Well if I have it set up to send everything to John then it would not be a
problem.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1207
  To: JOHN BIERRIE                             Date: 12/12/93 10:56p
Subj: Re: grunged messages...                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd,
> I don't know if it's just me here, but we've been getting a number
> of these grunged NetMail messages over the past week or so.  For the most

   I'm working on it. I think someone is just not being nice to me!


..boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1208
  To: FRANK SALERNO                            Date: 12/12/93 10:57p
Subj: Re: rime                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Please convince her to use your service.  We are a RIME BBS and
> it would be great to pull in the RIME echoes via satellite.  I think the
> problem is that she has too many options presented to her at the moment
> and doesn't know which one to choose.

   Man its hard to convince a shrink! ;-)


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1209
  To: KYLE HEARN                               Date: 12/12/93 10:59p
Subj: Re: Routed Netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I am very interested in hooking up to the plannet connect system
> and am considering purchasing it in the very near future. I do not have a
> dish at the moment and imagine I would be buying it with the system to
> make sure it works correctly. How much would this cost me for everything
> I need to start and then is there a monthly fee? How do I need to pay,
> etc.? Please respond.

   Kyle please freq PCINFO.TXT from our saystem and it will tell you the cost
and services availible to you over the satellite.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1210
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 12/12/93 11:03p
Subj: Re: USENET FILES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> However, the problem I forsee in the mean time is how I process inbound
> newsgroups via PC and send outbound mail to my landline link. Any
> thoughts, ideas?


    Well its all greek to me. I can see where you are coming from and have not
even thought of this. Maybe someone here can shed some light.

...boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1211
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 12/12/93 11:03p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Betcha if I sent a standard routed netmail out of here you'll get it from
> John's system... -:)

  If John does not have me in his routing statement I bet it wont!


...Boyd

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From: MICHAEL REEVES                         Number: 1212
  To: KEITH SIPPY                              Date: 12/12/93  3:06p
Subj: areafix and Planet connec               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

KS>I was helping a friend (Ken Carpenter 1:14/608) set up Planet Connect last
  >weekend.  We were trying to figure a way to set up areafix (v1.3) and PC.  W
  >we wanted is to have the system he feeds be able to request whatever area is
  >fidonet.na & .no and have it immediately add the area.  Without having to
  >forward the request and wait for something to come into bad messages.  Is th
  >a way of doing this that we may have overlooked?  I'm sure Boyd doesn't real
  >want requests forwarded to him.  And we have the bad message area set very
  >small to dump out all the excess messages he isn't using to save space.

I added the fidonet.na & .no lists to my mail tosser with a p for
pass through on all but local conferences. Because it's a defined area
it doesn't get in bad area, because it's already setup as pass through,
areafix works with no intervention on my part. If there are no down links
taking the echo area, the message is vaporized. The extra pass throughs
slow down processing slightly but simplify my job.

Michael

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 1213
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/12/93  9:23p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Robert Hilgar wrote in a message to All:

RH> the newsgroups and Fido backbone while QUICKLY scanning the
RH> confs. Also, what tosser will import these areas QUICKLY
RH> into the BBS. So far, I see that Maximus is best for this,
RH> but is there anything else I might try before opening my BBS
RH> to the public?

I run max, and used to run RA, and while max is fast, well fmail is way faster,
I regularly used to toss 50 msgs a second, this including the unpacking time
and everything, and now I am only getting about 10, and the fastest that I have
heard of is like 30 msgs a second, and when you get 12000 + msgs a day, that
20/sec is going to be something to consider, but squish is free, fmail isn't.

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1214
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/12/93  1:24a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > Least you still have some!!!
->
->   33 and a full set of hair. Isn't life grand?
->
->

45, bald and what's left is 95% GRAY!!!


But, I LOVE IT!!   :)


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1215
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/12/93  1:26a
Subj: Re: HI!!                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > Division by zero in line 0 of module PCUTL at address 1514:0046.
->
->
->     Thats a John Morano question. Hey John can you help him out?
->
->
-> ...Boyd

I sent him Net Mail and he replied right away with a voice
number. Spent about an hour on the phone with him.
Seems he lived about 3 miles from me in NJ up till
14 years ago!!!

Geee, ain't the world small!!!

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1216
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/12/93  2:10a
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
->     In the for what it's worth department, Mark, we've had some horre
-> storms down here in North Lousyana (that's Louisiana for the uninform
-> since we set up our KU band dish and we've had no loss of data due to
-> them so far.  It's been a very reliable setup for us down here despit
-> bad weather.  Heck, it's raining again down here now, but not heavily
->
->      Can't wait to see how it'll do in snow.
->
->
->                         --)@  Patty  @(--
->

Hi Patty!!

Well, I too can vouch for the 3 ft Ku.
I'm up in New Jersey and have had some rather nasty
weather since I went on-line.

The dish has so far made it through 40 to 50 mph
winds with no movement and no signal loss.

Today, we had our first snow.
The heavy wet kind. Not a lot of accumulation,
but the visibilty was down to maybe 200 feet.
No problem what so ever!!!

So far.....so good!!!

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1217
  To: TROLL                                    Date: 12/12/93  2:09a
Subj: Is anyone seeing this?                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> help!!!!!
-> --- FreeMail 1.09
->  * Origin: The Blind Hog Saloon * Crawfordville, FL * 904-926-7185 *
-> (1:3605/666)

Got it in NJ!
Fred


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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 1218
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/12/93  1:25a
Subj: Dish Allignment - Errors - Etc          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have finally got everything installed here, but am having a few problems.

I have a good strong signal coming in, the data light is doing its thing and
when I run the PCSKY progam it shows all the data coming in, shows what the
file name is that is arriving etc.  Only problem is that I'm getting mostly
errors with the status line shows things like TUB, TUT and TCB.

Is this an antenna alignment problem, or is it something I need to adjust in
the software or the dip switches or whatever.

Weird thing is that I had them send me a new satellite data receiver as the
first one had a faultly power supply, and I notice that the dip switch settings
on the new receiver are different than the first one they sent me.  Are the
settings different for each receiver, or are they suppose to be the same for
all of them?  I am using the Ku receiver from Westonia in Ontario.

Any help from anyone with similar experiences would be appreciated.

Glenn

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From: KEITH SIPPY                            Number: 1219
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 12/13/93  1:28a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JD>  I simply took FIDONET.NA and built a huge AREAS.BBS
 JD> that included all those areas. Took about an hour and a
 JD> half using TSE (Qedit on steroids), and now all my
 JD> downlinks can turn on any echo that's there.
 JD>
 JD> Yeah, it's the brute-force method, but it worked.

That's what I did with my setup.  I use Squish and Seal.  When I switched to
that method I went from 13 messages/second to 9.  However, not having to do
anything with the downlinks makes up for it. :)  I was hoping Areafix may of
had a way around that.  Maybe in the future.

Keith



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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1220
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 12/12/93 11:22p
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > The setup that we have is quite simple. We run the software under
 > Desqview. When the batch file drops to the maintainance task it spawns
 > another batch job to run DSZ. DSZ in turn sends the data to the
 > processor machine at 38400 baud (using an 8250 which is OK for
 > transmission only) and a task on the OS/2 machine(TE/2) picks up the
 > data and deposits it in the inbound. After DSZ runs it deletes the data,

WOW, what an interesting idea!  I never would have thought of that.  Such a
grandiose idea deserves a pat on the back.

 > then batch job/task ends. The main processing task just looks for data
 > in the inbound when ever it is not busy and tosses the mail. There are
 > four outbound lines at 14400 and the serial inbound line at 38400 (16550
 > of course) and the OS/2 machine can receive/toss and send mail
 > continuously with about 56 percent CPU usage. The stand alone machine is

Doesn't that slow the bbs down a little?  4 lines all transmitting would
certainly be affected by an inbound 38.4 connection, wouldn't it?

At any rate, it's an ingenious solution, and I'm writing that one down in my
little book of tricks ;)

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1221
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 12/12/93 11:24p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Now, to get AREAFIX to automatically update the AREAS.BBS when
 > unrecognized areas arrive. I'm told that that's possible.

With RAID it's simple.  Define where your AREAS.BBS is, where your inbound
subdir is, and which systems have the ability to "create" file areas.

Quite a few more definitions will be necessary, but these are the most
important.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: JOHN NEPTUNE                           Number: 1222
  To: TROLL                                    Date: 12/12/93  8:04p
Subj: Is anyone seeing this?                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> help!!!!!

What!!!


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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1223
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/12/93 10:31p
Subj: .BAG FILES                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone have or know of a utility that will parse the .BAG newsgroup files
to 'forward' only those news groups of interest? I don't want to process
several hundred newgroup areas a day when I am only interested in a couple
dozen of them.
Thanks...

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1224
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/11/93 11:48a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> You also get them from John as he has a Send line for you....
 BG>
 BG>    Well I have yet to see a reouted messages to me come
 BG> thru John's system to me. I pick all my routed mail up
 BG> from my hub.

Betcha if I sent a standard routed netmail out of here you'll get it from
John's system... -:)



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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1225
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/11/93 11:49a
Subj: PCBoard Files ..                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Jens Mueller is the temp HQ's for PCB.  We're working on getting it to
 > John right this moment.  Good 'ol Jens ain't no stinking control freak


 PP>     Yep, saw your message re: this in FILE_MOVERS, Jim.  I was debating on
 PP> whether or not to copy the original message there but
 PP> you beat me to it.  <g>

Files, more Files!  -:)



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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 1226
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/12/93  9:58a
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd,

Internet usenet groups are working flawlessly over here, what's the chance of
getting more of them in the near future???

I passed on the files to another node here in my net, and he was able to
convert them from .BAG files to .PKT files as well, so we are ready!

Looking forward to all the alt. comp. misc. rec. etc,etc,etc...

Dave

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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 1227
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/11/93  8:57p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Sean Peoples:

DO> In a msg on <Dec 09 21:52>, Sean Peoples writes:

DO> Really?  One of my downlink hubs is using d'Bridge and I
DO> have no problem with him.  As well as several other systems
DO> locally using d'Bridge with no problem.  Strange.

From the BinkleyTerm 2.58 "What's New" file:

===%cut here%===
        Changes in BinkleyTerm 2.58 from 2.57
        -------------------------------------

        In addition to several changes to the EMSI logic, log any EMSI
        keyword we don't understand. This will be instrumental in
        figuring out why we still occasionally have EMSI parsing problems
        with some D'Bridge systems.
===%cut here%===

DO> I'll accept what you say, wonder if it's just certain
DO> versions or what?  Also could be exagerated by the ISDN
DO> speed.  Oh well.....

Well, the clip you see above (besides personal experiences being unable to
connect to D'Bridge), is all the info I have, sorry...

Later...

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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 1228
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/11/93  9:00p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Sean Peoples:

BG>    Got that right!

>:-)

Later...

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1229
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/12/93 11:19p
Subj: 1st Transmit of the day                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Was just curious if there's a particular start time each day for the new
stuff?  Right now I have to drop out of other DV tasks to collect SAT data,
then bring the nodes back on-line.  Problem is I will possibly miss data if I
don't start the retrieval quick enough.  I tried using 9am and found that I
missed some of the first 2-3 bundles (QWK) of mail.  I'm not processing that
so it isn't a big deal.  So my question is:  "Is there a scheduled start for
each day?"  I know the data is repeated, but would like to get it first time
around.  Thanks for any help from out there.....

Chuck


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From: RUDY HEHN                              Number: 1230
  To: JERRY RUSSELL                            Date: 12/12/93  5:15p
Subj: NEWCOMER! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> move it back to the BBS'S outbound Dir. I also run ALLFIX now to
-> clean out all the new inbound Files/Tic

I just set up ALLFIX and tried it. Why am I getting error messages like
this when it runs?

Processing TK445535.TIC from 1:3615/50
 └ (by TICK v2.10 (C) Copyright Barry Geller - 1988,1989,1990,1991,1992)
Area WIN_GRAF
File WMF2RIP.ZIP
Msg  BadSec violation from : 1:3615/50
Msg  Moving bad TIC file to 'V:\ALLFIX\BADTIC\'
Msg  Moving orphaned file 'WMF2RIP.ZIP' to 'V:\ALLFIX\BADTIC\'

Every file that ALLFIX tries to process goes to the badtic dir. Is this
how you have it set up in node manager in asetup?

System               1:3615/50
Sysop                boyd goodin
File echo password   PCSYS
AreaMgr password
Authorized groups    0
Use aka              1:3615/51
Mail archive status  None
Direct               No
TIC file mode        Normal TIC file
Packing mode         No packing
Include message file Yes
Send notify list     No
Forward requests     No
Allow Auto-add       No
Remote maintenance   No
Compression type     ZIP

I also have 1:3615/50 added to each area under systems in file echo
manager.
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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 1231
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 12/13/93  7:28a
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Thanks to ALL of you who responded with some vewry helpful suggestions on
-> how best to automate a PC setup!

Welcome to PC, John!

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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1232
  To: BOYD GOODWIN                             Date: 12/13/93  9:08p
Subj: Hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Just wanted to send out a howdy test message. So howdy! BTW, which
area do most of the 3615/51 systems use to talk to each other, this one
or the PC-Sites???


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 1233
  To: TROLL                                    Date: 12/13/93  6:46p
Subj: IS ANYONE SEEING THIS?                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > help!!!!!
 > ___ FreeMail 1.09
 >  + Origin: The Blind Hog Saloon * Crawfordville, FL * 904-926-7185 *


"Troll" ?     <grin>

Made it to MidAmerica!!!

                                --==jb==--

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1234
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/13/93 11:37p
Subj: RAID                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

TL> With RAID it's simple.  Define where your AREAS.BBS is, where your inboun
TL> subdir is, and which systems have the ability to "create" file areas.

Is RAID shareware?  If so where can I freq a copy, if not where
do I contact to get a copy?

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * This is an egg... this is an egg on a 486DX-50 cpu...

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1235
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 12/13/93  5:17p
Subj: DISH ALLIGNMENT - ERRORS - ETC          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Any help from anyone with similar experiences would be appreciated.

Have you tried increasing the Gain by turning  the blue knob on the back of the
receiver?

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From: ANTONIO RIVEROS                        Number: 1236
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/13/93  7:50p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I was just wondering what BBS software some of you are using with PC. With
-> coming of Usenet, among other things, I want to hear your suggestions on w
-> is good for the users. I want to offer all the areas as non-passthru and a
-> want to allow downloading via QWK. What mail door will handle all the
-> newsgroups and Fido backbone while QUICKLY scanning the confs. Also, what
-> tosser will import these areas QUICKLY into the BBS. So far, I see that Ma
-> is best for this, but is there anything else I might try before opening my
-> to the public?

  I am using Wildcat 3.90.  I use wildmail to toss echomail, and am setting up
WILDUUCP to toss the newsgroups.   For the BBS is all depends on the software
you want.  I am a diehard wildcat person and you could not convince me to
switch to something like maximus.

                                                Antonio Riveros


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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1237
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/14/93  5:15a
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

Those of you are not real happy with PCUTIL or your own batchfile
implementations for handling the files coming in over the satellite without
duping might want to take a look at SKYMAIL.ZIP

It was sent to Boyd at 3615/50 this morning for hatching or if you want to get
it sooner its availible for file request from 370/510 anytime outside mail hour
at HST or v32bis speeds. The file is 31k.

Features:

 @ It -will- run under 4DOS (PCUTIL doesnt and thats why SKYMAIL exists)

 @ It optionally moves MAIL bundles and OTHER files to separate dirs

 @ It allows you to specify files that you dont care if you get or not
   so that you can go ahead and process when the ones you want come in

 @ It transparently maintains SKYMAIL.IDX which is similar to CHECK.IDX
   except it keeps the day recieved and filesize of each file also.

 @ It logs files that were NOT recieved as well as those that were

 @ It has an errorlevel for all MAIL -and- OTHER files recieved

 @ It has an errorlevel for all MAIL files recieved

 @ It has an errorlevel for all OTHER non-mail files recieved

 @ It has a user definable time to exit with a specific errorlevel
   which is handy for those who want to process things -once- a day after
   a specific time regardless of whether everything was recieved

 @ It actually has a SKYMAIL.DOC file that tells you something :)

 @ It is FREEWARE :)

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1238
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/13/93  3:36a
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I wrote myself a program, which takes all the
-> fileareas in the filebone.na and assigned a dirve:\directory
-> filearea# for wildcat and it reads each tic file for the area and
-> writes my wcff.cfg for that day and tosses them.

    This program you wrote specific to YOUR system only?


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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 1239
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/13/93  8:10p
Subj: Hello Out There!                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

This is a test message to see if I get any response.

Got the satellite dish working yesterday and have been getting complete
error-free reception, even during the heavy, heavy rain (40-50 mm yesterday),
with dense cloud and fog.  I'm somewhat impressed!

Now that the hard part is done, I hope this is making its way back out onto the
backbone.

Anyone see this yet?

Glenn

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1240
  To: RF TOLLI                                 Date: 12/13/93  2:25p
Subj: New                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > The Blind Hog Saloon BBS in NW FL is pleased to be carrying this echo.


    Hi Tolli!  Good to see you here.  Guess y'all got home okay after the BBS
CON, eh?  :)


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1241
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/13/93  2:30p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    Well I dont mind. With me being single I have to sprouce up my 3
 > mintutes of free time a day.


    Geez, you mean you get 3 whole minutes of uninterrupted free time a day,
Boyd?  We'll have to talk to your boss about that.  <g>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1242
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/13/93  2:33p
Subj: Re: Dupes                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    Yey and the next thing I know I would come back and the whole system
 > will be down. Cant have that now.


    Just tell your boss & the other subscribers that you had a weekend of
drunken debauchery down in Region 19 and I'm sure they'll understand... <G>


 > > Beg...  tell him it's good PR.
 >
 >
 >    Weeeeeellll.....  maybe!



    So tell him you have to meet with Souvestre over a :ahem: technical
matter...  in short, lie like a cheap rug.  ;D


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1243
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 12/13/93  2:35p
Subj: PCBoard Files ..                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Files, more Files!  -:)



    :grunt:  Need bigger hard drive.

    Hey, Pete Stern lives up in Alaska, do you suppose he'd let me route my
netmail wishlist to Santa via his system, Jim?  ;D


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1244
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/13/93  2:37p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Well, I too can vouch for the 3 ft Ku.
 > I'm up in New Jersey and have had some rather nasty
 > weather since I went on-line.
 >
 > The dish has so far made it through 40 to 50 mph
 > winds with no movement and no signal loss.



    Sounds good to me, Fred.  We had another serious storm (high winds, lots
of the wet stuff) and no errors, no signal loss, nada, nothing but mail and
loads of filebone stuff.  :)

    It's pretty windy up in Cheyenne, so it's good to hear that the wind isn't
having adverse affects on your dish.  How & where is yours mounted?  Ours is
up on the roof.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: JAMES MCORMOND                         Number: 1245
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 12/12/93  8:45p
Subj: Re: ZyXELnet                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of Th 09-Dec-93 21:57, Jim Watson wrote:

 JW>  BH> Area ZYXTOOL    0   !     ZYXELNET: ZyXEL 3rd Party

 JW> They should be coming over the dish......

Doesn't seem that they are.  Anybody know why?


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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 1246
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 12/13/93 12:37a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jim!

Friday December 10 1993, Jim Dunmyer writes to Keith Sippy:

 JD> Now, to get AREAFIX to automatically update the AREAS.BBS when
 JD> unrecognized areas arrive. I'm told that that's possible.

Does AreaFIX not have a "NewAreaCreate" verb??

Cheers, Ervin

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From: JOHN JAMIESON                          Number: 1247
  To: JASON BUCHANAN                           Date: 12/13/93  5:49a
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JB> BTW, this works great with DV!  Now I can receive the datastream 24
JB> hours a day, have the BBS up 24 hours a day, and be able to read it
JB> in another window. I was afraid I'd have to single-task until I buy
JB> another CPU, but not now!

I would be interested in knowing what your desqview setup is, I
haven't had any luck here. I get a raft of errors if I attempt to
do anything under desqview. I assume if I am geting errors things
arn't working properly.

    John

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1248
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 12/13/93  3:41a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Keith,
->  I simply took FIDONET.NA and built a huge AREAS.BBS that included al
-> areas. Took about an hour and a half using TSE (Qedit on steroids), a
-> my downlinks can turn on any echo that's there.
->
-> Yeah, it's the brute-force method, but it worked.
->
-> Now, to get AREAFIX to automatically update the AREAS.BBS when unreco
-> areas arrive. I'm told that that's possible.

Yes, Areafix can be set up to add, delete and pass on any and all
echo requests automatically.
We did that on 107/33 when the net approved picking up the entire
Fidonet.na from George Peace. (13/13 or 270/101).

Worked just fine.
We are now using it to link and de-link active areas from
our Plannet Connect down link.

This same system will be used when I am ready to accept
links to Rhub 13/24 (107/33).

Take care,
Fred


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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1249
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/10/93  9:58p
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> netmail. I said I will try this and see. Seems I got the routing down
-> thanks to one of our users.

Looks that way, Boyd.  The test message I sent thru you to John worked
and it DIDN'T go over the dish!!!!!

Amazing, isn't it (grin).....

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1250
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/11/93  4:58p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  > Bob Hunter is getting the 3 ft Ku and he's 35 miles south of me. I
->  > works out for him with our weather then that's the way I'll go, if
->      Can't wait to see how it'll do in snow.

It'll probably shiver a bit.  Might want to put a stocking cap on it.
You could even paint a couple of eyes, a nose and a mouth on it and make
it look like a big face looking skyward....

--GRIN--

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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 1251
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 12/12/93  9:28p
Subj: TIC's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND
Subject: TIC's

RR>
RR>   I noticed that you started sending a filebond file and then it's
RR>accompanying TIC file.  THANK YOU.  That will solve some problems!
RR>
RR>   Any "official" news on the Newsgroups yet?  I guess I need to know is
RR>what kind of software will I need to run.  A gateway program such as
RR>Fredmail (I run a Wildcat BBS)?
RR>
RR>   Once we get those, we'll write some programs to pull the mail from
RR>the computers, check to see if it is all there (TIC'S and files), and
RR>then toss them as they come in.  As it is now, a programmer named Mark
RR>Gibson has written a program called PCHECK, which checks all the files
RR>
RR>   Rudolf Rothemund NC/NEC Net 2440

Rudolf,
I see you are also running a Wildcat BBS. We just changed from RA to
Wildcat because of RA's limitations on the message base. I am still
looking for a good TIC file processor that will interface with Wildcat.
I have a registered copy of ALLFIX here, but have not been able to get
it to add files to my message base automatically.

What program are you using as the TIC fileprocessor? If it is available
for Freq, let me know.
Thanks
Jacobo


 ■ JFO ■ Do less and accomplish more.


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From: GLEN DAVIS                             Number: 1252
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/13/93  6:59p
Subj: Testing, testing...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


The dish is up, the cable is run, the meter reads "8+", the lights blink, the
mail tosses, the hard drive fills....

...now, any of this getting OUT?



                                -Glen

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From: DAVE MILLER                            Number: 1253
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 12/13/93  7:30p
Subj: Dish Allignment - Errors - Etc          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 GV> I have finally got everything installed here, but am
 GV> having a few problems.

 GV> I have a good strong signal coming in, the data light
 GV> is doing its thing and when I run the PCSKY progam it
 GV> shows all the data coming in, shows what the file name
 GV> is that is arriving etc.  Only problem is that I'm
 GV> getting mostly errors with the status line shows things
 GV> like TUB, TUT and TCB.

 GV> Is this an antenna alignment problem, or is it
 GV> something I need to adjust in the software or the dip
 GV> switches or whatever.

Hard to say without more information.  Are you running under a multitasking or
network enviornment.  Doing say can cause loss of characters do to interrupt
latency if the system is not configured properly to account for running in
these enviornments.


 GV> Weird thing is that I had them send me a new satellite
 GV> data receiver as the first one had a faultly power
 GV> supply, and I notice that the dip switch settings on
 GV> the new receiver are different than the first one they
 GV> sent me.  Are the settings different for each receiver,
 GV> or are they suppose to be the same for all of them?  I
 GV> am using the Ku receiver from Westonia in Ontario.

The switch settings have recently changed as the downlink frequency of the
signal was changed to reduce errors caused by interference from another signal
on a nearby frequency.

Regards,   Dave.


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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 1254
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 12/13/93  3:36p
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave James wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

DJ> I passed on the files to another node here in my net, and he
DJ> was able to convert them from .BAG files to .PKT files as
DJ> well, so we are ready!

DJ> Looking forward to all the alt. comp. misc. rec.
DJ> etc,etc,etc...

BTW aren't there 5400 news groups?

I just talked to Vanderbilt News server guy, and this is the current word on
full internet feeds.  At vandy, which connects to darwin, they get 120-150 megs
a day.  This number is growing by 10% a month, so it's growing fast.

If we get a full internet feed, there won't be the possibility of repeats on
the satellite, will there?


--- timEd-B10
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From: RON BRANDT                             Number: 1255
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/13/93 10:27p
Subj: Please Send TVAGENT                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Please add me to the list for a mailed copy of TVAGENT

Thanks

Ron
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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1256
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/13/93 11:14p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Guy VanDell wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

GV> I run max, and used to run RA, and while max is fast, well
GV> fmail is way faster, I regularly used to toss 50 msgs a
GV> second, this including the unpacking time and everything,
GV> and now I am only getting about 10, and the fastest that I
GV> have heard of is like 30 msgs a second, and when you get
GV> 12000 + msgs a day, that 20/sec is going to be something to
GV> consider, but squish is free, fmail isn't.


Thanks for the response Guy. I will look into RA.


Regards,
           Robert

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 1257
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 12/13/93  8:40p
Subj: .BAG FILES                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to All:

TM> Does anyone have or know of a utility that will parse the
TM> .BAG newsgroup files to 'forward' only those news groups of
TM> interest? I don't want to process several hundred newgroup
TM> areas a day when I am only interested in a couple dozen of
TM> them.

just only put the groups you want in your mapfile, the resst will be dumped..
if you are using fred.


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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1258
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/14/93  4:07a
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Dave James, Guy VanDell said:

GV>BTW aren't there 5400 news groups?

GV>I just talked to Vanderbilt News server guy, and this is the
GV>current word on full internet feeds.  At vandy, which
GV>connects to darwin, they get 120-150 megs a day.  This number
GV>is growing by 10% a month, so it's growing fast.

GV>If we get a full internet feed, there won't be the
GV>possibility of repeats on the satellite, will there?

That's when I start saving $40 per month & connect this Ku band dish to my
"other" satellite receiver and use it to watch TV [and get a life back!]

--- GEcho 1.00
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From: JEFF CAMERON                           Number: 1259
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/13/93 12:57p
Subj: Msgtoss                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Patty,
 I'm gonna have one of them there satellite receivers before christmas,
and was wondering if your still running rbbs and using msgtoss for the
mail.

--- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93
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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 1260
  To: KEITH SIPPY                              Date: 12/13/93  8:34p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Keith Sippy wrote in a message to Jim Dunmyer:

 JD>  I simply took FIDONET.NA and built a huge AREAS.BBS
 JD> that included all those areas. Took about an hour and a
 JD> half using TSE (Qedit on steroids), and now all my
 JD> downlinks can turn on any echo that's there.

 JD> Yeah, it's the brute-force method, but it worked.

KS> That's what I did with my setup.  I use Squish and Seal.
KS> When I switched to that method I went from 13
KS> messages/second to 9.  However, not having to do anything
KS> with the downlinks makes up for it. :)  I was hoping Areafix
KS> may of had a way around that.  Maybe in the future.

Put this in your AREAFIX.CTL file:

   NewAreasCreate 3615/50

When AREAFIX checks your BAD_MSGS area (where messages from undeclared areas
go), it'll add the area to your AREAS.BBS, and your next toss, if you enable
tossing from BAD_MSGS, will speed those messages along on their merry way.  If
you don't declare 'NewAreasNoPassThru' then they'll even be declared as
pass-thru.

That's how I built my entire AREAS.BBS.


=Eric


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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1261
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/14/93  1:59a
Subj: Getting Out                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



 -=> Quoting Boyd Goodin to Rf Tolli <=-

 BG> Got you here....

Grin- thank god!  This waiting two or three days to see if the latest tweak to
the FD worked or not is sorta like playing handball without a wall!

-RFT-

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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1262
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/14/93  2:20a
Subj: OK                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


one more test post- and, if this one makes it, a request for the sysop version
of TVAgent.
-RFT-
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From: JOHN JAMIESON                          Number: 1263
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 12/13/93  6:14p
Subj: Re: .qwk packets                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TB> Does anyone out there have a .qwk packet to Hudson or JAM message
TB> base converter?  Someone told me that a program called Fred Gate
TB> works?  I'm running Remote Access 2.01 Pro 10.  Thanks.

You can Freq MKNET100.ARJ from 1:216/506 at speeds to 14400.

     John

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From: THOMAS HATTON                          Number: 1264
  To: TROLL                                    Date: 12/14/93  1:15p
Subj: Is anyone seeing this?                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 T> help!!!!!
 T> --- FreeMail 1.09
 T>  * Origin: The Blind Hog Saloon * Crawfordville, FL *
                   ^^^^^^^^^
Sould I reply in brail??

Thomas

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 1265
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 12/14/93  8:00a
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mickey Ferguson wrote in a message to Guy VanDell:

MF> * In a message originally to Dave James, Guy VanDell said:

GV>BTW aren't there 5400 news groups?

GV>I just talked to Vanderbilt News server guy, and this is the
GV>current word on full internet feeds.  At vandy, which
GV>connects to darwin, they get 120-150 megs a day.  This number
GV>is growing by 10% a month, so it's growing fast.

GV>If we get a full internet feed, there won't be the
GV>possibility of repeats on the satellite, will there?

MF> That's when I start saving $40 per month & connect this Ku
MF> band dish to my "other" satellite receiver and use it to
MF> watch TV [and get a life back!]

you can still just dump the pcusenet stuff if you want..

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1266
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 12/14/93  8:28p
Subj: Testing, testing...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> The dish is up, the cable is run, the meter reads "8+", the lights bl
-> mail tosses, the hard drive fills....
->
-> ...now, any of this getting OUT?
->
->
->
->                                 -Glen

Nope.


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From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                       Number: 1267
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 12/14/93 10:42p
Subj: TIC's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND
-> Subject: TIC's
->
-> RR>
-> RR>   I noticed that you started sending a filebond file and then it'
-> RR>accompanying TIC file.  THANK YOU.  That will solve some problems!
-> RR>
-> RR>   Any "official" news on the Newsgroups yet?  I guess I need to k
-> RR>what kind of software will I need to run.  A gateway program such
-> RR>Fredmail (I run a Wildcat BBS)?
-> RR>
-> RR>   Once we get those, we'll write some programs to pull the mail f
-> RR>the computers, check to see if it is all there (TIC'S and files),
-> RR>then toss them as they come in.  As it is now, a programmer named
-> RR>Gibson has written a program called PCHECK, which checks all the f
-> RR>
-> RR>   Rudolf Rothemund NC/NEC Net 2440
->
-> Rudolf,
-> I see you are also running a Wildcat BBS. We just changed from RA to
-> Wildcat because of RA's limitations on the message base. I am still
-> looking for a good TIC file processor that will interface with Wildca
-> I have a registered copy of ALLFIX here, but have not been able to ge
-> it to add files to my message base automatically.
->
-> What program are you using as the TIC fileprocessor? If it is availab
-> for Freq, let me know.
-> Thanks
-> Jacobo
->
->
->  ■ JFO ■ Do less and accomplish more.
->
->
-> --- WM v3.10 [Eval]/93-8511
->  * Origin: Hack on the Beach BBS, Aruba  (1:18/21)

Hello.  I like Wildcat, too!

   I use WCFILE to import my files from the Filebone area intp my
Wildcat message bases.  What I did was to wrote a batch file that tests
for the presence of the FILES.BBS created TIC when it processses a TIC
file, and when it finds the file the batch file runs WCFILE.

   Here's an excerpt of my TICKIN.BAT file:

=======================================================================
TICK >> C:\BINK\TICK\TICK.LOG

:START

cd\bink\nodelist\nodediff
If exist files.bbs goto NODELIST

cd\bink\treklist
If exist files.bbs goto STARFLET

goto EXIT

:NODELIST
del c:\bink\nodediff\fidolist\nodediff.a*
copy nodediff.a* c:\bink\nodediff
copy nodediff.a* c:\bink\nodediff\fidolist
copy nodediff.a* c:\bink\nodelist\nodelist
cd\bink\nodelist\nodelist
call xlaxnew.bat
cd\bink\nodelist
wildnode
cd nodediff
copy files.bbs c:\bink\nodediff
del files.bbs
cd\wc30
WCFILE /D:C:\bink\nodediff\files.bbs /P:1,12,34,80 /A:12
del c:\bink\nodediff\files.bbs
cd\bink
call mail5.bat
goto START

:TREKLIST
del c:\bink\nodelist\treklist.*
del c:\bink\nodelist\nodelist\treklist.*
copy treklist.a* c:\bink\treklist
copy treklist.a* c:\bink\nodelist
copy treklist.a* c:\bink\nodelist\nodelist
copy files.bbs c:\bink\treklist
del treklist.A*
del files.bbs
cd\bink\nodelist
pkxarc treklist.A*
wildnode
cd\bink\nodelist\nodelist
call trek.bat
cd\wc30
WCFILE /D:C:\bink\treklist\files.bbs /P:1,12,34,80 /A:15
del c:\bink\treklist\files.bbs
del c:\bink\nodelist\treklist.A*
del c:\bink\nodelist\nodelist\treklist.A*
cd\bink
call mail5.bat
goto START
====================================================================

   Hope this helps.  If not, call my BBS and leave me a message and I'll
go into more detail.

   Rudolf Rothemund, NC/NEC NET 2440


--- WM v3.10/92-0432
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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1268
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 12/14/93  7:07a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->Keith,
-> I simply took FIDONET.NA and built a huge AREAS.BBS that included all those
->areas. Took about an hour and a half using TSE (Qedit on steroids), and now a
->my downlinks can turn on any echo that's there.

  I wrote a program that will do it in about 15-20 seconds.  Let me
  clean it up and I ?hatch? it to somewhere.

  Chuck

  p.s.  Also have one to handle TIC files.


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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1269
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/13/93  8:45p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Betcha if I sent a standard routed netmail out of
> here you'll get it from
> John's system... -:)
 BG>
 BG>   If John does not have me in his routing statement I bet it wont!


If I send it to 3615/50, and route via John, betcha it will -:)



--- Maximus 2.01wb
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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1270
  To: JAMES MCORMOND                           Date: 12/13/93  8:46p
Subj: Re: ZyXELnet                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JM> In a message of Th 09-Dec-93 21:57, Jim Watson wrote:

 JW>  BH> Area ZYXTOOL    0   !     ZYXELNET: ZyXEL 3rd Party

 JW> They should be coming over the dish......

 JM> Doesn't seem that they are.  Anybody know why?


Pat sends 'em here, I pump 'em up to John, and he's feeding 'em there.  Your
ZC, do a test hatch and we'll see were it goes -:)



--- Maximus 2.01wb
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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 1271
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/14/93  6:34p
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Guy VanDell wrote in a message to Dave James:

GV> Dave James wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

DJ> I passed on the files to another node here in my net, and he
DJ> was able to convert them from .BAG files to .PKT files as
DJ> well, so we are ready!

DJ> Looking forward to all the alt. comp. misc. rec.
DJ> etc,etc,etc...

GV> BTW aren't there 5400 news groups?

3500 <g>

GV> I just talked to Vanderbilt News server guy, and this is the
GV> current word on full internet feeds.  At vandy, which
GV> connects to darwin, they get 120-150 megs a day.  This
GV> number is growing by 10% a month, so it's growing fast.

compressed, probably around 30-40meg range per day... (guessing of course)

GV> If we get a full internet feed, there won't be the
GV> possibility of repeats on the satellite, will there?

Boyd says they are watching it, and it doenst' appear to be a problem...

 Dave

--- timEd-B9
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From: LARRY JAMES                            Number: 1272
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 12/14/93  5:39a
Subj: Re: NEWCOMER! :)                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>>  I have a 4 computer setup here, as I am NEC for the NET and here is

> Leave up to a consultant to use 4 computers for a 2 computer job.
> <snicker>

Would you beleave a 1 computer job?<G>

WeCanDo,
>>>Larry<<<

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From: LARRY JAMES                            Number: 1273
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/14/93  6:01a
Subj: Re: Test message                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>> Bob Hunter is getting the 3 ft Ku and he's 35 miles south of me. If it
>> works out for him with our weather then that's the way I'll go, if he
>> runs into problems then we'll go with a C-Band system.



> In the for what it's worth department, Mark, we've had some
> horrendous
> storms down here in North Lousyana (that's Louisiana for the uninformed)
> since we set up our KU band dish and we've had no loss of data due to any
> of them so far.  It's been a very reliable setup for us down here despite
> the bad weather.  Heck, it's raining again down here now, but not
> heavily.

> Can't wait to see how it'll do in snow.

Here in Portland, OR we tend to have more ice then show.  I was over at the
dish site Satruday and never looked at it.  I was to busy installing Allfix to
send me all the file goodness that G3 can produce.  At a 43+ degree latitude I
doubt if the snow will effect it much anyway

A few of the cronies went out a few dayes and realy shuch the dish a few days
ago and couldn't produce enough signal loss to to degrade anything enough to
produce an error.
>>>Larry<<<

--- DB 1.54/001249
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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1274
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/13/93  7:42p
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

     On Sunday December 12 1993, Dave James writes to Boyd Goodin:

Hello Boyd!

 DJ> Internet usenet groups are working flawlessly over here, what's the chance
 DJ> of getting more of them in the near future???
 DJ> I passed on the files to another node here in my net, and he was able to
 DJ> convert them from .BAG files to .PKT files as well, so we are ready!
 DJ> Looking forward to all the alt. comp. misc. rec. etc,etc,etc...

with the obvious success just around the corner..I've been checking around town
for a route back into internet and have found one. they're even interested in
possibly getting a dish themselves to get internet mail as opposed to bringing
it in via their dedicated connect.  My question is, will PC being sending a
FULL usenet feed over the bird? My friend tells me that they are currently
bringing a bunch of the newsgroups but not all of them..he said around
half..which has him at 100 megs (uncompressed) a day.. will pc be opening up a
second channel for JUST usenet? cuz my friend went on to tell me the FULL feed
is 200 megs (uncomp) a day

Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Monday December 13 1993

--- GoldED/2 2.42.G1121
 * Origin: Sound Stage BBS - Vancouvers Music HQ - 604/944-6476 (1:153/7070)
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From: RICHARD BASH                           Number: 1275
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/14/93 10:22p
Subj: Routed netmail enroute                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BG>    Well I have yet to see a reouted messages to me come
 BG> thru John's system to me. I pick all my routed mail up
 BG> from my hub.


Dear Boyd:


    Sending you an echo routed netmail message tonight (Tuesday). Advise
when and how you received it.


Regards,


Poor Richard...


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From: JOHN BIERRIE                           Number: 1276
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/14/93  7:12a
Subj: grunged messages...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin, in a message to John Bierrie, you wrote:

> I don't know if it's just me here, but we've been getting a number
> of these grunged NetMail messages over the past week or so.  For the most

BG>    I'm working on it. I think someone is just not being nice to me!

Boyd,
     Hummm...  If you happened to let slip "who" wasn't being nice, I'm sure we
could come up with a "solution". :-)!

John

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From: BOB ROSS                               Number: 1277
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 12/14/93 11:43a
Subj: Testing, testing...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glen!

13 Dec 93 18:59, Glen Davis wrote to All:

 GD> The dish is up, the cable is run, the meter reads "8+", the lights blink,
 GD> the mail tosses, the hard drive fills....

 GD> ...now, any of this getting OUT?

No. Your message must have just dropped out of the sky here in Calgary :-)


Bob

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1278
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/14/93  7:54p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > GV> I run max, and used to run RA, and while max is fast, well
 > GV> fmail is way faster, I regularly used to toss 50 msgs a
 > GV> second, this including the unpacking time and everything,
 > GV> and now I am only getting about 10, and the fastest that I
 >
 > Thanks for the response Guy. I will look into RA.

I run RA here and have a problem with it so far:
1)  If you want all the message areas, you'll be limited to a mail processor
that handles the JAM message base.  I use Fmail which is not JAM yet and it is
the one that he quoted doing 50 messages per second.  With as much mail, as
many downlinks as I have, and across an arcnet network, I average about 10 per
second.  Packing them back up takes forever, especially if another machine is
hitting the server :(

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1279
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/14/93  7:56p
Subj: RAID                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Is RAID shareware?  If so where can I freq a copy, if not where
 > do I contact to get a copy?

Right here:  1:3807/100 or 1:3807/101
Filename:    RAID0108.LZH
File Info:   101758 06-26-90   9:25p

24 hours per day, up to 14.4 v.32bis

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1280
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/14/93  5:39p
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/13/93> John Lyon wrote:

JL> -> I wrote myself a program, which takes all the
JL> -> fileareas in the filebone.na and assigned a dirve:\directory
JL> -> filearea# for wildcat and it reads each tic file for the area and
JL> -> writes my wcff.cfg for that day and tosses them.

JL>     This program you wrote specific to YOUR system only?
As it stands for now yes.  I am trying to rewrite it to use a
config file but haven't made much headway there yet.  It is hard
to imagine all the different ways it could go wrong and I haven't
yet figured out how to read the confdesc.dat file for the
information needed to make it work properly.

Maybe the new WCFF 4.0 will do all this for us, the current one
needs about 2 megs or more of conventional memory to do all the
filebone at once.  What a memory HOG it is.  I also setup TIC 2.0
and it works fine but, the descriptions have to be imported so it
is not the best ether.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * He said "ENQ?".  "NAK!", she replied.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1281
  To: TROLL                                    Date: 12/14/93  9:00p
Subj: Is anyone seeing this?                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Troll!

In a message to All <12/10/93> Troll wrote:

TT>
TT> help!!!!!
TT> --- FreeMail 1.09
TT>  * Origin: The Blind Hog Saloon * Crawfordville, FL * 904-926-7185 *
TT> (1:3605/666)
Seeing what.

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Cogito ergo spud: I think therefore I yam.

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From: ALAN BENNETT                           Number: 1282
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/15/93 12:48a
Subj: RE: SKYMAIL V1.0                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


On 14 Dec 93 05:15am, GREG SHAFFER wrote to ALL:

>     Hello All!

>     Those of you are not real happy with PCUTIL or your own batchfile
>     implementations for handling the files coming in over the satellite
>     without duping might want to take a look at SKYMAIL.ZIP

>     It was sent to Boyd at 3615/50 this morning for hatching or if you
>     want to get it sooner its availible for file request from 370/510
>     anytime outside mail hour at HST or v32bis speeds. The file is 31k.

>     Features:

>      @ It -will- run under 4DOS (PCUTIL doesnt and thats why SKYMAIL
>      exists)

>      @ It optionally moves MAIL bundles and OTHER files to separate dirs

>      @ It allows you to specify files that you dont care if you get or not
>        so that you can go ahead and process when the ones you want come in

>      @ It transparently maintains SKYMAIL.IDX which is similar to CHECK.IDX
>        except it keeps the day recieved and filesize of each file also.

>      @ It logs files that were NOT recieved as well as those that were

>      @ It has an errorlevel for all MAIL -and- OTHER files recieved

>      @ It has an errorlevel for all MAIL files recieved

>      @ It has an errorlevel for all OTHER non-mail files recieved

>      @ It has a user definable time to exit with a specific errorlevel
>        which is handy for those who want to process things -once- a day
>        after a specific time regardless of whether everything was recieved

>      @ It actually has a SKYMAIL.DOC file that tells you something :)

>      @ It is FREEWARE :)

Hello Greg...

 Where can I get a copy of Skymail? Sounds just like what I need..


Alan Bennett (TES SOFTWARE)

... Backup not found: (a)bort (r)etry (p)anic
 * Silver Xpress V4.00 SW12313


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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 1283
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/14/93 12:01a
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec1400:01, Todd Lyons of 1:3807/100 writes:
 TL> Doesn't that slow the bbs down a little?  4 lines all
 TL> transmitting would certainly be affected by an inbound 38.4
 TL> connection, wouldn't it?
Not in the least - except for a user searching for messages in the bases of
course.
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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1284
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/14/93  4:57p
Subj: .BAG FILES                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > TM> Does anyone have or know of a utility that will parse the
 > TM> .BAG newsgroup files to 'forward' only those news groups of
 > TM> interest? I don't want to process several hundred newgroup
 > TM> areas a day when I am only interested in a couple dozen of
 > TM> them.
 >
 > just only put the groups you want in your mapfile, the resst will be
 > dumped.. if you are using fred.

Nope, I use PIMP, which is an integrated optional module for TBBS. It also will
send any non-defined newsgroups to nul but I don't want to waste bbs machine
processor time sorting it all out. I'd rather process the .BAG files on a nanny
machine quickly and give only newsgroups in .BAG format to my bbs machine to
toss.

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1285
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/14/93  6:46p
Subj: ERROR BLOCK'S                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

This is just FYI for future reference:

Awhile ago I mentioned an oddity I was having with the PC software always
catching a bad block when I turned on my monitor for a quick look to see all
was OK. It was my guess at the time it was a power supply problem or an anomoly
in the video handling code. It was neither. I had my data receiver balanced on
top of the monitor, an older Nec Multisync II, and the EMF surge caused a
spurious bad block. Boyd suggested I move the receiver and try it -- problem
corrected and chalk one up for Boyd. The data receiver eventually got moved
over next to the bbs machine and the same thing popped up when the bbs hard
drives got a good work out. The receiver is apparantly a sensitive little
jasper and should be kept away from *any* possible EMF. If this keeps up I'll
have to build a Faraday cage around it.

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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 1286
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/16/93  7:49a
Subj: Moving South                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hey folks,

I'm moving from Atlanta to Miami.  Can I use my 7 ft C-band system that
far south?  The video says that I'll need a 10 ft dish....

tim
migrating moderator
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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1287
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/15/93  3:36p
Subj: Re: New                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 -=> Quoting Patty Pickett to Rf Tolli <=-

 PP> Hi Tolli!  Good to see you here.  Guess y'all got home okay after
 PP> the BBS CON, eh?  :)

Hiya, Patty!!

Grin- well, we DID get home...  OK is open to discussion! <G>  Nothing two or
three weeks in hospital and a massive infusion of money wouldn't cure, I
guess!  Fortunately, the next one is in OUR neck of the woods (Maggie even has
kin living in ATL), so we are getting our apps in for it early.

I talked myself into this Fido thing because the PC beam even reached into our
deep woods, but it's been...  shall we say..  a *learning* experience!  Even
as I type this, I have no idea if it's going to go out...  seems like some do,
and some don't.   sigh.

-RFT-


... Running a BBS is like Russian Roulette with an automatic pistol.
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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1288
  To: THOMAS HATTON                            Date: 12/15/93  3:39p
Subj: Re: Is anyone seeing this               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 -=> Quoting Thomas Hatton to Troll <=-

 T>   ! Origin: The Blind Hog Saloon * Crawfordville, FL *
 TH> ^^^^^^^^^
 TH> Sould I reply in brail??

Hee!  The motto at our board is an old Southerism to the effect that "Even a
blind hog finds an acorn eventually"- sorta describes how we work.

-RF Tolli-
AKA "Troll"

... Running a BBS is like stringing beads without a knot in the string.
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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1289
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/15/93  3:42p
Subj: Re: AREAFIX AND PLANET CO               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 -=> Quoting Chuck Warren to Jim Dunmyer <=-

 CW> Chuck

 CW> p.s.  Also have one to handle TIC files.

THAT one I would love to have!

-RFT-

... Running a BBS is like nailing Jello to a tree.
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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1290
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/15/93  3:45p
Subj: Re: Is anyone seeing this               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 -=> Quoting Joe Lyda to Troll <=-

 TT> help!!!!!
 TT>   ! Origin: The Blind Hog Saloon * Crawfordville, FL * 904-926-7185 *
 TT> (1:3605/666)
 JL> Seeing what.

Sorry about that- a desparate plea to the electron gods, I guess.  FD and I do
*not* get along well!

-RF Tolli-
AKA "Troll"


... The mome rath never lived that could out-gabe ME!
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From: MICHAEL REEVES                         Number: 1291
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 12/15/93 12:00p
Subj: Testing, testing...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


GD>The dish is up, the cable is run, the meter reads "8+", the lights blink, th
  >mail tosses, the hard drive fills....

GD>...now, any of this getting OUT?



GD>                                -Glen

nope, but 4 out of 5 ain't bad

Mike

 ■ QMPro 1.51 ■ He does the work of 3 Men...Moe, Larry & Curly


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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1292
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/14/93  1:59a
Subj: GETTING OUT                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

5/50 374/1


 -=> Quoting Boyd Goodin to Rf Tolli <=-

 BG> Got you here....

Grin- thank god!  This waiting two or three days to see if the latest tweak to
the FD worked or not is sorta like playing handball without a wall!

-RFT-

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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1293
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/14/93  2:20a
Subj: OK                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

374/1

one more test post- and, if this one makes it, a request for the sysop version
of TVAgent.
-RFT-
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From: RICK MORRIS                            Number: 1294
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 12/15/93 10:51a
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> Betcha if I sent a standard routed netmail out of
 >> here you'll get it from
 >> John's system... -:)
 >  BG>
 >  BG>   If John does not have me in his routing statement I bet it wont!


 > If I send it to 3615/50, and route via John, betcha it will -:)

Jim:

The star hubs send all routed netmail via the region hubs...

Rick

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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 1295
  To: THOMAS HATTON                            Date: 12/15/93  3:58p
Subj: Is anyone seeing this?                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thomas Hatton wrote in a message to Troll:

 T>  * Origin: The Blind Hog Saloon * Crawfordville, FL *
TH>                    ^^^^^^^^^
TH> Sould I reply in brail??

That's "Braille"...

Later...

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1296
  To: ANTONIO RIVEROS                          Date: 12/15/93 10:28p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Antonio Riveros wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

AR>   I am using Wildcat 3.90.  I use wildmail to toss echomail,
AR> and am setting up WILDUUCP to toss the newsgroups.   For the
AR> BBS is all depends on the software you want.  I am a diehard
AR> wildcat person and you could not convince me to switch to
AR> something like maximus.

But will it let you set up over 7,000 areas? This is what it will come down to
when Boyd feeds us the Newsgroups. And is it fast for the 666 (nice number)
fido areas we now have? Is there a built in QWK mail function or a door that
will let you have this many areas?

Once, a long time ago, I considered using Wildcat and the reason I decided not
to is that the file search function is
s...l...o...w! If it were faster, (9 cd-rom drives) I might have gone with it.


Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1297
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 12/15/93 10:33p
Subj: Hello Out There!                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Glenn Vermette wrote in a message to All:

GV> This is a test message to see if I get any response.

Hi Glen, you have made it to Ocean City, NJ (near the beach) with some severe
winds and lottsa rain! No errors here with a 3 ft. KU! Good work PC!

GV> Now that the hard part is done, I hope this is making its
GV> way back out onto the backbone.

Not on the backbone, but in this conference at least! ;-)

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1298
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/15/93 10:37p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

TL> I run RA here and have a problem with it so far:
TL> 1)  If you want all the message areas, you'll be limited to
TL> a mail processor that handles the JAM message base.  I use
TL> Fmail which is not JAM yet and it is the one that he quoted
TL> doing 50 messages per second.  With as much mail, as many
TL> downlinks as I have, and across an arcnet network, I average
TL> about 10 per second.  Packing them back up takes forever,
TL> especially if another machine is hitting the server :(

I freq'd RA 2.01 and thought it looked pretty good. I am glad you told me this.
Well Maximus isn't the prettiest BBS around, but it seems to fit our needs. I
suppose aside from these few mentioned BBS programs, PCBoard may be a 1/2
decent alternative. I just hate spending money on software when it can be used
for hardware. I would need to purchase a PcBoard/M, FidoPcb, fido-uucp, etc.,
However, it looks like it is Max in the running. Anyone else care to enlighten
us as to what problems or successes<sp> you are coming accross with your
current configuration?

I was surprised to see Patty Pickett go from RBBS to Searchlight and now to
Maximus. Perhaps she shares my views.

Thanks for the response Todd, it really is helping me to gather this data! :-)


Regards,
           Robert

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From: DANA HUGGARD                           Number: 1299
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/12/93 12:00a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I have no messages here?  I am connected?

____
\TF/ TERRA-FIRMA-BBS / Serving the Amiga Community.
 \/  FidoNet 1:153/765.0 LDSHub - AmigaNet 40:800/765.0 (ADS/SAN)
     Internet: [e-mail]

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1300
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/15/93 10:59p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ervin!

In a message to Jim Dunmyer <12/13/93> Ervin Jay wrote:

EJ> Hello Jim!

EJ> Friday December 10 1993, Jim Dunmyer writes to Keith Sippy:

EJ>  JD> Now, to get AREAFIX to automatically update the AREAS.BBS when
EJ>  JD> unrecognized areas arrive. I'm told that that's possible.

EJ> Does AreaFIX not have a "NewAreaCreate" verb??

For Squish but for Gomail it does not create it correctly.  If
anyone has a version of AREAFIX that does then give info on where
I can freq it.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Stand back!  It's a Beta!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1301
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/15/93 11:03p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Fred!

In a message to Jim Dunmyer <12/13/93> Fred Seibel wrote:


FS> Yes, Areafix can be set up to add, delete and pass on any and all
FS> echo requests automatically.
FS> We did that on 107/33 when the net approved picking up the entire
FS> Fidonet.na from George Peace. (13/13 or 270/101).

FS> Worked just fine.
FS> We are now using it to link and de-link active areas from
FS> our Plannet Connect down link.

FS> This same system will be used when I am ready to accept
FS> links to Rhub 13/24 (107/33).

Fred could you put AREAFIX and your AREAFIX.CTL file where I can
freq it for me.
Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Coffee sweetened with NO-DOZ...Programmers petro!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1302
  To: GLEN DAVIS                               Date: 12/15/93 11:08p
Subj: Testing, testing...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glen!

In a message to All <12/13/93> Glen Davis wrote:

GD>
GD> The dish is up, the cable is run, the meter reads "8+", the lights blink,
GD> mail tosses, the hard drive fills....

GD> ...now, any of this getting OUT?


Got it here in ALMOST Middle Tennessee.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Always assume the second try will be different.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1303
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/15/93 11:11p
Subj: Please Send TVAGENT                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ron!

In a message to Boyd Goodin <12/13/93> Ron Brandt wrote:

RB> Please add me to the list for a mailed copy of TVAGENT

What mailed TVAGENT? Is there a change that has slipped past me?

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * John Wayne would have used WcEDIT!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1304
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 12/15/93 11:17p
Subj: Hello Out There!                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn!

In a message to All <12/13/93> Glenn Vermette wrote:

GV> This is a test message to see if I get any response.

GV> Got the satellite dish working yesterday and have been getting complete
GV> error-free reception, even during the heavy, heavy rain (40-50 mm yesterd
GV> with dense cloud and fog.  I'm somewhat impressed!

GV> Now that the hard part is done, I hope this is making its way back out on
GV> the backbone.

GV> Anyone see this yet?

See what??<G>
Oh ya I see it now here in next to Middle Tennesee.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1305
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/15/93 11:50p
Subj: Re: .qwk packets                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

In a message to Thomas Beal <12/13/93> John Jamieson wrote:

JJ> TB> Does anyone out there have a .qwk packet to Hudson or JAM messag
JJ> TB> base converter?  Someone told me that a program called Fred Gate
JJ> TB> works?  I'm running Remote Access 2.01 Pro 10.  Thanks.

JJ> You can Freq MKNET100.ARJ from 1:216/506 at speeds to 14400.

Tried to freq the above file and got


  ╔═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗
  ║                M O U N T A I N     R E T R E A T              ║
  ║                                                               ║
  ║                       ***  B  B  S  ***                       ║
  ║                                                               ║
  ║  [phone]      Felton California     Fido Net 1:216/506  ║
  ║                                                               ║
  ╠═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╣
  ║      Only files that are Home Based at Mt. Retreat and        ║
  ║      BBS/BBS_support files are FREQ'ABLE from Mountain        ║
  ║      Retreat.                                                 ║
  ║                                                               ║
  ║      Freq FILES for a list of those FREQ'ABLE Files or Freq   ║
  ║      one or all of the following for a list of files          ║
  ║      available for Download when logged on Mountain Retreat.  ║
  ║                                                               ║
  ║          FILELIST.ARJ   Main Board Files                      ║
  ║          FILELST2.ARJ   Art Conference Files                  ║
  ║          FILELST3.ARJ   Programming Conference Files          ║
  ║          FILELST4.ARJ   Ham Radio/ TVRO/ Electronics Files    ║
  ║                                                               ║
  ╚═══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝

What gives.

Joe

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1306
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/15/93 11:41p
Subj: RAID                                    Refer: NONE
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Hello Todd!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/14/93> Todd Lyons wrote:

TL>  > Is RAID shareware?  If so where can I freq a copy, if not where
TL>  > do I contact to get a copy?

TL> Right here:  1:3807/100 or 1:3807/101
TL> Filename:    RAID0108.LZH
TL> File Info:   101758 06-26-90   9:25p

Got it coming in at 14.4 right now.  Thanks

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Artificial Intelligence: The other guy's opinion.

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1307
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 12/15/93 10:47p
Subj: ERROR BLOCK'S                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tracy!

14 Dec 93, Tracy Mickley writes to All:

 TM> receiver is apparantly a sensitive little jasper and should be kept away
 TM> from *any* possible EMF. If this keeps up I'll have to build a Faraday
 TM> cage around it.

You obviously didn't read the fine print on the back of the installation
instructions [laughing].... you know.. the part about the Faraday cage, the
salt pit and the 18 ft ground stakes. :-))


Dennis

ps: sorry, I just couldn't resist.

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1308
  To: <YOU DUDE(ETTE)>                         Date: 12/14/93  2:56p
Subj: Notice                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The Carving sound you heard was a letter being written for <You!

┌──[I am back Finally]
│
└── Most of you have been waiting for the new revisions of the:

       "Off the Wall Software"

   December 1st my System crashed - loosing practically everything...

      I have lost the last 2 weeks of the feeds due to a harddrive deciding
that is no longer wanted to be seen... outta of anger I just formatted it, and
all the other drives. But I am back....

*************************************************************[Notification]**

   Producation has has came to an end for the following: (Ready for use!)

   A2C_OTW.EXE - Areas Listings to CNAMES.@@@ for PCBoard 14.5 to 15.1ß
   * it does almost everything for you, except make the MSGS.xxx
     and the paths - I let PCBSETUP do that for you!

   RTP.EXE     - Tic Processor of the 90's! Simple to use, and offers so much
   more than the TIC processors out there! The "MAIN" benefits
   are (2)... (1). Your OutBound TIC's are sent from your online
   BBS Directories! No need for a BBS copy and an OUTBOUND copy!
   (2). RTP comes in two flavors - importer for your BBS only,
   and a HUB version for us with the Satellite that use some form
   of CRP. This will generate TKxxxxxx.RTP files that only RTP
   will process. Thus people can get TICs from us, and then re-
   distribute it out to others free... Works with:

    PCBOARD 12.0 - 15.1ß
    RA (All Versions)
    QBBS (2.xx and up Versions)
    TBBS (All Versions)

   * Testing: TurBoard, Renegard/Telegard, WildCat.

   The Following is in development:

   NEWS2TXT.EXE- Used for those of us that have no earthly idea how UUCP works!
   I simply read a newsgrp file, make a "standard looking" TEXT,
   and then generates a batchfile for H.EXE (Harvey's XRobot!)

   * Final Version will not require H.EXE - and will do exporting
     (But I will need some information from a UUCP Guru before I
      am 100% ready to release this one on you guys!)

   PCBYTOSS.EXE- 16/32Bit Tosser for PCBOARD! (Also Supports: Hudson, Jam, and
   Squish) (GoldBase is in design also).

*************************************************************[END OF NOTE.]**

OZZ

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1309
  To: <YOU DUDE(ETTE)>                         Date: 12/14/93  9:57p
Subj: UUCP                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The Carving sound you heard was a letter being written for <You!

    Well this may be an old question... but...

Can anyone give me the full scoop on the echos from the DISH?

    a. I am importing all the nets, but who do I send them back to?

    b. Is there any detailed information on where to send the UUCP stuff back
up to? I tried using fred as a tosser - got ticked cuz I never did UUCP and
didn't understand anything I was reading... So I am writing my own convertor,
but where do I address the outbound stuff to? (Need help majorly on this!)

    c. Last time I was in the echo (prior to my crash), we all talked about
starting a "file echo" for PC_Utils that we all have written. What is the
status of this?

    d. Why do we have to keep the TVAGENT stuff so secretive? I didn't see
anything in there that was proprietary. So why not a (Encryption to ASCII) for
people to download or view online?

    e. Who all is running PCBoard with the DISH? I have been writing things
left and right for PCB, and want to know if there are any other utils I forgot
to put in my package...

OZZ
ERROR 1701 - Your hard drive croaked!!

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 1310
  To: JAMES MCORMOND                           Date: 12/15/93 10:42a
Subj: ZyXELnet                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello James!

12 Dec 93 20:45, James McOrmond wrote to Jim Watson:

 JM> In a message of Th 09-Dec-93 21:57, Jim Watson wrote:

 JW>  BH>> Area ZYXTOOL    0   !     ZYXELNET: ZyXEL 3rd Party

 JW>> They should be coming over the dish......

 JM> Doesn't seem that they are.  Anybody know why?


I know that we are NOT getting them here over the dish....


Thank you,
         Brian

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 1311
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/15/93 10:47a
Subj: ZyXELnet                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

07 Dec 93 23:26, Brian Hess wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 BH> Hello Boyd!

 BH> Area ZYXELROM   0   !     ZyXELNET: ZYXEL Firmware
 BH> Area ZYXTEXT    0   !     ZyXELNET: ZyXEL Text Files
 BH> Area ZYXTOOL    0   !     ZYXELNET: ZyXEL 3rd Party Tools
 BH> ;                           Info File: ZYXELNET.*
 BH> ;            North America ZyXBONE HQ: Patrick Martin 1:102/825
 BH> ;                      Suggested Conf: ZYXEL (backbone)


could you PLEASE check your up link and make sure the above is turn on...I have
not received any files in the above areas off the dish. I know some have been
released recently.... Let me know if need any more info...
thanks a lot..

Thank you,
         Brian

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1312
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/15/93 11:05p
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Maybe the new WCFF 4.0 will do all this for us, the current one
-> needs about 2 megs or more of conventional memory to do all the
-> filebone at once.  What a memory HOG it is.  I also setup TIC 2.0
-> and it works fine but, the descriptions have to be imported so it
-> is not the best ether.

    I found that out also. The best I can do is about 70% of the
    filebone. I can't figure out why WCFF only uses 250k and the config
    file is only 56k and it locks up unless I edit the config back down
    to about 36k....this is in a 622k box also.  Course I'm not a
    programmer either.


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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 1313
  To: TROLL                                    Date: 12/15/93  4:25p
Subj: Getting Out                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Something's wrong here..

Troll babbled profusely in a message to All:


 -=> Quoting Boyd Goodin to Rf Tolli <=-

 BG> Got you here....

T> Grin- thank god!  This waiting two or three days to see if
T> the latest tweak to  the FD worked or not is sorta like
T> playing handball without a wall!

T> -RFT-

T> --- FreeMail 1.09
T>  * Origin: The Blind Hog Saloon * Crawfordville, FL *
T> 904-926-7185 * (1:3605/666)




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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1314
  To: ALAN BENNETT                             Date: 12/15/93  3:55p
Subj: RE: SKYMAIL V1.0                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Alan Bennett wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

AB> On 14 Dec 93 05:15am, GREG SHAFFER wrote to ALL:

>     Hello All!

>     Those of you are not real happy with PCUTIL or your own batchfile
>     implementations for handling the files coming in over the satellite
>     without duping might want to take a look at SKYMAIL.ZIP

>     It was sent to Boyd at 3615/50 this morning for hatching or if you
>     want to get it sooner its availible for file request from 370/510
>     anytime outside mail hour at HST or v32bis speeds. The file is 31k.

AB>  Where can I get a copy of Skymail? Sounds just like what I
AB> need..

Well.....you might try reading what you quoted.....:)

[e-mail]

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From: ALAN BENNETT                           Number: 1315
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 12/15/93  7:19a
Subj: RE: TIC'S                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


On 12 Dec 93 09:28pm, JACOBO ODUBER wrote to RUDOLF ROTHEMUND:

>     To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND
>     Subject: TIC's

RR>>
RR>>   I noticed that you started sending a filebond file and then it's
RR>>accompanying TIC file.  THANK YOU.  That will solve some problems!
RR>>
RR>>   Any "official" news on the Newsgroups yet?  I guess I need to know is
RR>>what kind of software will I need to run.  A gateway program such as
RR>>Fredmail (I run a Wildcat BBS)?
RR>>
RR>>   Once we get those, we'll write some programs to pull the mail from
RR>>the computers, check to see if it is all there (TIC'S and files), and
RR>>then toss them as they come in.  As it is now, a programmer named Mark
RR>>Gibson has written a program called PCHECK, which checks all the files
RR>>
RR>>   Rudolf Rothemund NC/NEC Net 2440

>     Rudolf,
>     I see you are also running a Wildcat BBS. We just changed from RA to
>     Wildcat because of RA's limitations on the message base. I am still
>     looking for a good TIC file processor that will interface with Wildcat.
>     I have a registered copy of ALLFIX here, but have not been able to get
>     it to add files to my message base automatically.

>     What program are you using as the TIC fileprocessor? If it is available
>     for Freq, let me know.
>     Thanks
>     Jacobo


Hello Jacobo
 WCFF will probaly fit the bill for you nicely.. Mike Ortiz is working on one
 himself that will probaly be out soon.. it carries a $25 registration fee.

Alan Bennett (TES SOFTWARE)

... --T-A+G-L-I+N-E--+M-E-A+S-U-R+I-N-G+--G-A+U-G-E--
 * Silver Xpress V4.00 SW12313


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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1316
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/16/93 10:03p
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/15/93> John Lyon wrote:

JL> -> Maybe the new WCFF 4.0 will do all this for us, the current one
JL> -> needs about 2 megs or more of conventional memory to do all the
JL> -> filebone at once.  What a memory HOG it is.  I also setup TIC 2.0
JL> -> and it works fine but, the descriptions have to be imported so it
JL> -> is not the best ether.

JL>     I found that out also. The best I can do is about 70% of the
JL>     filebone. I can't figure out why WCFF only uses 250k and the config
JL>     file is only 56k and it locks up unless I edit the config back down
JL>     to about 36k....this is in a 622k box also.  Course I'm not a
JL>     programmer either.

Well I an not a programer ether, but with what is coming in daily
it is working unattended as of now.


Joe

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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 1317
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/07/93  8:50p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
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Hi Boyd,

07 Dec 93, 00:57, Boyd Goodin wrote to Jim Watson:

 BG>    That I have no problem with as long as they go to John. If they
 BG> end up in my netmail area I will delete them.

I realize you're up against a stiff learning curve, but, had anyone in your
organization ever been involved in moving echomail before?  This isn't meant to
be a smartass question, it's just that some of the answers I'm seeing don't
indicate even a basic knowledge of routing and how it works.



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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 1318
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/09/93  7:04p
Subj: .qwk packets                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone out there have a .qwk packet to Hudson or JAM message base
converter?  Someone told me that a program called Fred Gate works?  I'm running
Remote Access 2.01 Pro 10.  Thanks.



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From: RF TOLLI                               Number: 1319
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/09/93 11:35a
Subj: Is this getting out                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


I hate FD!!!  Let's see if this makes it out to TN- if it does, We are finally
connected to Planet Connect.
-RFT-
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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1320
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/17/93  1:28p
Subj: Re: routed netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Kyle please freq PCINFO.TXT from our saystem and it will tell you
-> the cost and services availible to you over the satellite.

I know you have a 7.5 C-band and a 3 foot Ku band. Do you have a 4 foot Ku band
too?

Merry Christmas!

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1321
  To: SEAN PEOPLES                             Date: 12/17/93 11:28p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 11 20:57>, Sean Peoples writes:

 SP>In addition to several changes to the EMSI logic, log any EMSI keyword we
 SP>don't understand. This will be instrumental in figuring out why we still
 SP>occasionally have EMSI parsing problems with some D'Bridge systems.

Oh, that.  It only applies to certain unrecognized EMIS sequences that result
in a lose of EMSI header info.  The connects still occur and run fine.  Many of
us have been feeding Vince info on this trying to find the right set of
parameters.

I'm beginning to think the problem with connecting to Boyd may be ISDN related.
 The CONNECT 38400 back to Bink seems to adjust some of the timers.  Boyd's
system is responding slowly for some reason (probably LAN related) and Bink
doesn't wait long enough to negotiate the session.  Hopefully Vince is working
on that as well.

Thanks

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1322
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/17/93 11:35p
Subj: Re: Echo's                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 12 22:03>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>    Now Dave remember. I am not from here. The closest we can get
 BG>to that lemonaid is Newfoundland screech and that use to burn my
 BG>stomach.

Stomach?!?!  You still got a stomach?  Soft stuff, eh.  Tenn Lemonaid is the
best ulcer cure around....  after the first fifth you don't have a stomach
left.  :-)

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1323
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/17/93 11:37p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 12 22:07>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   Well thats because we wanted everyone to get aqqainted with
 BG>thier equipment. If we told you how to put it together then it
 BG>take all the fun out of learning what it does.;-)

Certainly did a number on me.  :-)  I'z not be educated, but I'z experienced!

BTW, after several days... and nights of playing; I still think the dish needs
a little fine tuning.  I get occassional errors just running virgin Dos on a
buffered comm port.  I thought it may just cloud layer related, but when it
cleared up today, the signal meter didn't change any.  I may need to adjust the
polarizer some.

Running under Desqview doesn't seem to phase it one bit.  I can have several
windows open running various programs... except Windoze, that's instant
death.... and it keep chugging along with no more errors than before.  There is
a limit though, it wouldn't run peacefully on the ISDN machine.  :-)

However any sizable network transfer wipes it out in a heatbeat.  The blocks
quit counting and I have to recycle the program to restart it.  Doesn't look
like it recognizes or recovers from Uart overruns.  Loading X00 with large
receive buffers helped quite a bit.  Had to recapture the Int-14 each recycle.
However, it would still get loads of errors but only occassionally lockup even
with X00 loaded.  I think this may be related to the NIC I'm using.  The 3Com
card uses block IO and it may be shutting off the interupts too long while
doing XMS transfers.  As soon as I have time, I'll rotate cards around with one
that uses port IO and see what happens.

In any case these are easily worked around problems, and usually within two
downlink cycles the file list is complete.  I'll have more time to play this
weekend.  More later.

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1324
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/18/93 12:24a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 12 22:07>, Boyd Goodin writes:

> It wasn't Bink, it was ClassAxe.  I've since gotten a new version of Bink
> and I'll try it out in the next day or so to make sure all works.  Will
> advise.
 BG>
 BG>  Funny how I could connect with you at anytime.
 BG>

From the symptoms, I'd venture a guess that you're running the D'bridge nodes
on network workstations, likely diskless accessing a relatively busy server.
Nodelists, etc are shared over the network.  (How close am I?)  It seems that
D'bridge answers the line, receives the EMSI packet from the caller and then
has to access the server for nodelist and security files.  Those extra few
seconds (10-15) seem to be too long for Bink, it gives up and times out.  Why I
don't know.

When you call me, the information to establish a session is already accessed by
the calling node and thus there are no delays.  Either that or bink handles the
inbound different than the outbound.  I've got a list of things to check on....
someday....

D.

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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 1325
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/17/93  5:56p
Subj: ILinks says hey...                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Just got off the ILink (HUB) BBS and he says they are waiting on Planet Systems
for their net to get going.. he said to ask "whats up" <G> and see how things
are going.. there are some of us really awaitin on ILink (RIMEnet too!) <G>

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 1326
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/17/93  3:13a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello JOE!

Wednesday December 15 1993, JOE LYDA writes to ERVIN JAY:

 EJ>> Does AreaFIX not have a "NewAreaCreate" verb??

 JL> For Squish but for Gomail it does not create it correctly.  If
 JL> anyone has a version of AREAFIX that does then give info on where
 JL> I can freq it.

Ahh, I see the problem.....  I would doubt there is an Areafix for GoMail....

It is unfortunate that it is not an Areafix cfriendly mail processor as
NewAreasCreate is nice option to have...

Cheers, Ervin

... Do married women make the best wives?

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 1327
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/17/93  3:13a
Subj: RAID                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

Tuesday December 14 1993, Todd Lyons writes to JOE LYDA:

 TL> Right here:  1:3807/100 or 1:3807/101
 TL> Filename:    RAID0108.LZH
 TL> File Info:   101758 06-26-90   9:25p


File: RAID0123.ZIP   132,675    4-10-92
Desc: Raid v1.23 - AreaFix-like Program for Tick. (w/ Raid 1.08 Docs)

Cheers, Ervin

... If you cannot convince them, confuse them.

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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 1328
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/17/93  8:42a
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GS>Hello All!

GS>Those of you are not real happy with PCUTIL or your own batchfile
GS>implementation s for handling the files coming in over the satellite
GS>without duping might want to take a look at SKYMAIL.ZIP

Looks good!  Unfortunately I would have to run PCUTIL with it as PCUTIL
has a very nice echo processing option: NEXTx which allows me to place
my mail bundles in an intermediate directory and move them a few at a
time for unpacking.  This allows me never have to worry about running
out of work space.

My system has to toss to .msg format before messages are imported to
a database.  The .msg messages are then deleted.  If I unpack more than
4 or 5 of the mail bundles at a time, I have to plan for more drive
space.

It would be nice for the missed files to also be written to a second log
so that it could be processed as file request automatically.

-Tim


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1329
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/17/93  1:41p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 Robert   Hilgar   wrote   in  a   message    to    Todd    Lyons:

RH> glad you told me this. Well  Maximus  isn't  the  prettiest  BBS
RH> around, but it seems to fit our needs.

 I also run Maximus because it fits my need but  if  you  want  to
 look into another  (prettier)  bbs  you  may  checkout  Proboard.
 Proboard can use  the  Squish  message  base  and  with a  little
 tweaking it can even use the Bluewave  offline  reader  door  for
 Maximus.   I ran Proboard with Maximus and gave  my  callers  the
 option until I connected with PC and ran  out  of  disk  space. I
 could no longer afford to give the callers two bbs's and  include
 a large number of conferences.  I suppose  the  reason I  decided
 to keep Maximus rather than Proboard is because I had  some  kind
 of bug that cause EVERY user to have to hit the back space  twice
 EVERY time they logged on in order to remove  an  "0n"  that  was
 automatically written in their name.  It  seemed  that  NO  other
 Proboard sysop had ever had this problem and  no  one  knew  what
 could be done to eliminate it.  I got tired of going through  the
 users data base and removing the  "0nJoe  Blow"   names.   It  is
 truly a shame that an author would work so hard and  successfully
 develop such an excellent bbs and have  it  dumped  because  of a
 little problem  like  this.   Proboard  had  the  _FASTEST_  file
 search indexing feature I  have  ever  seen.   Running 8  cd  rom
 drives was no problem.

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 1330
  To: ROGER MORRIS                             Date: 12/17/93  4:46p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Roger Morris wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

RM> Robert Hilgar scripted in a message to Todd Lyons:

RH> Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

TL> I use
TL> Fmail which is not JAM yet and it is the one that he quoted
TL> doing 50 messages per second.  With as much mail, as many
TL> downlinks as I have, and across an arcnet network, I average
TL> about 10 per second.

RM> My record for Squish is 183 msgs/sec under DOS.  That's with
RM> a highly tweaked 486-33 operating as a peer server.  My goal
RM> is 200, but I've got other things to work on right now: with
RM> everything located on a Novell server, I'm currently pushing
RM> 40 msgs/sec.

HOW DID YOU GET UP to 183 msgs/sec.. that's unbelievable, i believe that that
would be faster than my system to write to the hard drive.

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 1331
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/17/93  4:47p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

GS> Robert Hilgar wrote in a message to Antonio Riveros:

RH> Antonio Riveros wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

AR>   I am using Wildcat 3.90.  I use wildmail to toss echomail,
AR> and am setting up WILDUUCP to toss the newsgroups.   For the
AR> BBS is all depends on the software you want.  I am a diehard
AR> wildcat person and you could not convince me to switch to
AR> something like maximus.

RH> But will it let you set up over 7,000 areas? This is what it
RH> will come down to when Boyd feeds us the Newsgroups. And is

GS> Who on earth told you there were 7000 newsgroups?

well if you have 5400 + 600 fido, you get 6000, not 7000 but still close.

I still hold fast to the 5400 newsgroups, although some are regionals, but we
might as well get a full feed.

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1332
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 12/17/93  1:23a
Subj: ERROR BLOCK'S                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > The receiver is apparantly a sensitive little jasper and should be kept
 > away from *any* possible EMF. If this keeps up I'll have to build a
 > Faraday cage around it.

FWIW, I have my receiver above two computers and below a monitor.  I just
don't get any errors.  I have the C band receiver.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1333
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/17/93  1:29a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > well i wouldn't ever import the whole backbone into any message base, I
 > don't have that kind of space, you would need what 40 megs just each day
 > for the mail after it's uncompressed?

Well I always try to keep 60 megs free on my processing drive.  It's quite a
load on the system.  I may not necessarily try to import everything but
everything is eligible to be a passthough, and regardless of that, ALL will be
unpacked.

I still love Fmail, I'm just getting a little impatient because I *DO* want
ALL of the backbone available to be read without any screwedup kludges and
that won't happen until JAM comes out <sigh>

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1334
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/17/93  1:33a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I was surprised to see Patty Pickett go from RBBS to Searchlight and now
 > to Maximus. Perhaps she shares my views.

Patty has good taste.  Had I not found RA, I would have been running Max.  Max
is quite simply, one of the most configurable and flexible bbs's I have ever
seen (second only to RA ;)  My only complaint about RA is that it didn't
support *.MSG in addition to HMB.  They did come out with JAM, but the
echomail authors are slow to write a mail processor that supports it because
of various programming headaches.

I'd still consider RA a viable alternative because:
1)  Fastecho supports JAM which means you can carry all 666 Backboned echos.
2)  You can run Waffle as a door to RA and have access to ALL of the Internet
echos that will be coming over.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1335
  To: ALAN BENNETT                             Date: 12/17/93  6:41a
Subj: RE: TIC'S                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->>     Rudolf,
->>     I see you are also running a Wildcat BBS. We just changed from RA to
->>     Wildcat because of RA's limitations on the message base. I am still
->>     looking for a good TIC file processor that will interface with Wildcat.
->>     I have a registered copy of ALLFIX here, but have not been able to get
->>     it to add files to my message base automatically.

->Hello Jacobo
-> WCFF will probaly fit the bill for you nicely.. Mike Ortiz is working on one
-> himself that will probaly be out soon.. it carries a $25 registration fee.

   You can use either TICK/ALLFIX and still process files into WildCat!
   using WCFILE.  I am finishing up a program (WCTICK) that writes the
   batch file to run WCFILE automatically.

   Chuck


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1336
  To: CHRIS OSBORNE                            Date: 12/17/93  8:52p
Subj: Re: AREAFIX AND PLANET C                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  -> I simply took FIDONET.NA and built a huge AREAS.BBS that included

->  Chuck, When you get it cleaned up would ya post where you hatched it
->  or put it up available for FREQ?  It would be most appreciated by al
->  I'm sure.

    Sure will....it basically compares your current AREAS.BBS file to
the text file (FIDONET.??) and adds any that aren't already in there,
makes them 'P' passthru, and adds address 1:3615/50.

    Chuck


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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 1337
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/17/93  9:26a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >   I wrote a program that will do it in about 15-20 seconds.  Let me
 >   clean it up and I ?hatch? it to somewhere.

How about comparing the old areas.bbs to a new one and then adding the new or
deleting any areas no longer in fidonet.na? and at the same time doing it's
thing with fidonet.no??

One of my problems is the new areas and the filebone messsage areas, still.

TTYL
      Laz

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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 1338
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/17/93  9:28a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > processor that handles the JAM message base.  I use Fmail which is not
 > JAM yet and it is the one that he quoted doing 50 messages per second.
 > With as much mail, as many downlinks as I have, and across an arcnet
 > network, I average about 10 per second.  Packing them back up takes
 > forever, especially if another machine is hitting the server :(


Yes I was watching last night as well. I know I am dropping pkzip 2.04 and
moving back to 1.10 as it appears the zipping is taking fo ever.

TTYL
      Laz

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From: ZACH LOWRY                             Number: 1339
  To: [e-mail]                      Date: 12/16/93  9:45a
Subj: Hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Just Testing To See If I Can Write You A Message. My Mom Says Hi. She
also hopes your back start feeling better. C-YA :)
                                                :)

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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 1340
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/17/93  7:55a
Subj: Questions                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!


Is anybody running the Planet Connect software with OS2?

If so can you netmail me with your phone number, I wish to contact
somebody that can provide me with some before you buy advice.


Russell

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From: THOMAS CHRISTOPH                       Number: 1341
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/17/93 11:45p
Subj: USENET News Feeds                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello!

I heard that there is going to be a full Usenet news feed on here in
January.  Is this correct?  If so, what will be involved in getting
that feed through the Planet Connect system?

                                       ...Thomas
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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1342
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 12/17/93  7:10p
Subj: NOTICE                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >    RTP.EXE     - Tic Processor of the 90's! Simple to use, and

Is this FREQ'able?

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1343
  To: LANCE TAYLOR-WARREN                      Date: 12/17/93  7:18p
Subj: .BAG FILES                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >TM> Does anyone have or know of a utility that will parse the .BAG
 >TM> newsgroup files to 'forward' only those news groups of interest?
 >TM> I don't want to process several hundred newgroup areas a day when
 >TM> I am only interested in a couple dozen of them.   Thanks...
 >
 > Fredgate (fred-uf) will process the .bag's and only save those areas
 > that are
 > defined in the active.map file.  The rest are dumpped.  Works rather
 > well. FREQ fqconfig.zip from my system for sample batch files and
 > configs.

I'll FREQ it from you and have a look. Thanks for the offer. In the meantime
I've written a utility that will process a .bag file and create a new .bag file
containing only those newsgroups I want. Very simple and *SLOW*. I'll want to
tweak it for a bit just out of principle at this point.

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From: SEAN BEGGS                             Number: 1344
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/17/93  9:31a
Subj: planet wide?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Is this echo broadcast across the globe?  I've only seen some messages from a
fairly limited geographical area.

Oh, by the way:  Hi. I'm new.  Heh

Ta!



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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1345
  To: JEFF CAMERON                             Date: 12/17/93  5:33p
Subj: Msgtoss                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  I'm gonna have one of them there satellite receivers before christmas,
 > and was wondering if your still running rbbs and using msgtoss for the
 > mail.



    Hi Jeff, I think you'll be happy with the services from Planet Connect.
Which dish are you gonna be running?

    Haven't run RBBS for about a year and a half now and I never ran MsgToss.
Remember, I was the RBBSMAIL beta & distribution point?  <g>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1346
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 12/17/93  5:34p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > It'll probably shiver a bit.  Might want to put a stocking cap on it.
 > You could even paint a couple of eyes, a nose and a mouth on it and
 > makeit look like a big face looking skyward....



    <snicker>  Good idea, Martin, maybe paint a big mouth on it around where
the feed horn points.



                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1347
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 12/17/93  5:36p
Subj: Hello Out There!                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Anyone see this yet?



    Nope, didn't see it here in Shreveport, LA, Glenn.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1348
  To: LARRY JAMES                              Date: 12/17/93  5:39p
Subj: Re: Test message                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > the dish site Satruday and never looked at it.  I was to busy installing
 > Allfix to send me all the file goodness that G3 can produce.  At a 43+
 > degree latitude I doubt if the snow will effect it much anyway


    Sounds great to me, Larry.  Thanks for the information.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 1349
  To: TROLL                                    Date: 12/17/93  5:40p
Subj: Re: New                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Grin- well, we DID get home...  OK is open to discussion! <G>  Nothing
 > two or three weeks in hospital and a massive infusion of money
 > wouldn't cure, I guess!



    Look for netmail from me, Tolli, I gotta hear about this trip home you
had. Sounds like a trip from hell.



                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: JOHN JAMIESON                          Number: 1350
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/17/93 11:50a
Subj: SDN files                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

What do I use to unpak the SDN files transmitted by Planet Connect.
PK361 dosen't want to do it.

    John

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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 1351
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 12/16/93 12:07a
Subj: TIC's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RR>
RR>Hello.  I like Wildcat, too!
RR>
RR>   I use WCFILE to import my files from the Filebone area intp my
RR>Wildcat message bases.  What I did was to wrote a batch file that tests
RR>for the presence of the FILES.BBS created TIC when it processses a TIC
RR>file, and when it finds the file the batch file runs WCFILE.
RR>
RR>   Hope this helps.  If not, call my BBS and leave me a message and I'll
RR>go into more detail.
Rudolf
I'll definitely be trying your batch file after doing some modifications
to it. I didn't realize that you can put command line options for
WCFILE.
If all else fails I'll request some more info through netmail. BTW,
what filelisting program do you recommend for WC? so that I can have my
users download a complete filelisting of what's available.

Thanks for the info

Jacobo
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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 1352
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/16/93 12:22a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CW>->Keith,
CW>-> I simply took FIDONET.NA and built a huge AREAS.BBS that included all t
CW>->areas. Took about an hour and a half using TSE (Qedit on steroids), and
CW>->my downlinks can turn on any echo that's there.
CW>
CW>  I wrote a program that will do it in about 15-20 seconds.  Let me
CW>  clean it up and I ?hatch? it to somewhere.
CW>
CW>  Chuck
CW>
CW>  p.s.  Also have one to handle TIC files.

how soon do you expect to hatch it? I'd rather do it in 20 seconds than
a few hours.

ttyl

Jacobo


 ■ JFO ■ MS-DOS is CP/M on steroids.


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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1353
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/18/93  9:04a
Subj: SDN files                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Jamieson wrote in a message to All:

JJ> What do I use to unpak the SDN files transmitted by Planet
JJ> Connect. PK361 dosen't want to do it.

They are actually compressed with ARJ.   Just rename them to .ARJ

ren *.sdn  *.arj

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From: MIKE PERKINS                           Number: 1354
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/18/93 11:33a
Subj: Pcboard files on the file               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

@SUBJECT:PCBoard Files on the Filekbone                              N Boyd,
   My name is Mike Perkins.  I'm half owner of the MindLess One's BBS along
with Frank Salerno who has us singed up with you.  I'm wondering what it would
take to have PCBoard files from Mike Paschen added back on the filebone?  I
have seen some post on this and would just like to add our two cents in favor
of it.

Thanks
Mike


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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1355
  To: ROGER MORRIS                             Date: 12/18/93  9:20a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Roger Morris wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

RM> My record for Squish is 183 msgs/sec under DOS.  That's with
RM> a highly tweaked 486-33 operating as a peer server.  My goal
RM> is 200, but I've got other things to work on right now: with
RM> everything located on a Novell server, I'm currently pushing
RM> 40 msgs/sec.

        Still, that is excellant.

RM> Maximus can be as pretty as you customize it to be; it's all
RM> in the mecca scripts.

        I see that now, also nice with being able to add in the RIP.

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1356
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/18/93  9:22a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

GS> Who on earth told you there were 7000 newsgroups?

        Well Greg, tell us then, just how many are there on a FULL feed?
        I have seen differnt figures everywhere, but most of my info
        comes from Boardwatch magazine. Now I know you will ask, "Oh,
        yeah, which issue was that in?" but don't bother because I can't
        remember.

        Regards,
                   [e-mail]

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1357
  To: ROGER MORRIS                             Date: 12/18/93 10:04p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

following up a message from Guy VanDell to Roger Morris:

RM> My record for Squish is 183 msgs/sec under DOS.  That's with
RM> a highly tweaked 486-33 operating as a peer server.  My goal
RM> is 200, but I've got other things to work on right now: with
RM> everything located on a Novell server, I'm currently pushing
RM> 40 msgs/sec.

GV> HOW DID YOU GET UP to 183 msgs/sec.. that's unbelievable, i
GV> believe that that would be faster than my system to write to
GV> the hard drive.

        I just finished processing all the mail and feeding downlinks.
        There where 29000+ messages and squish reported doing 3 per
        second. It took over 2 hours! How the heck did you get so much?
        What am I doing wrong? Are most of your areas passthrough? Are
        you feeding downlinks?

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1358
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/18/93 10:08p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Guy VanDell wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:


GV> well if you have 5400 + 600 fido, you get 6000, not 7000 but
GV> still close.

        Thank you Guy for explaining that to Greg. And if you add the
        qwk networks, you can easily see how I can arrive at 7,000.
        Don't forget that RIME is also a possibility.

        FWIW, I read that there are 7,400+ newsgroups and I WILL find the
        Boardwatch magazine that stated that figure. Of course it could
        have been a typo, or maybe even a misread on my part, but never
        the less, we will see more than 7,000 areas if we utilize ALL
        the mail that is coming in.

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1359
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/18/93 10:15p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Laz Gottli wrote in a message to Todd Lyons:

LG> Yes I was watching last night as well. I know I am dropping
LG> pkzip 2.04 and moving back to 1.10 as it appears the zipping
LG> is taking fo ever.

        Is ver1.10 really faster than 2.04?

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1360
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/18/93 10:18p
Subj: SDN files                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Jamieson wrote in a message to All:

JJ> What do I use to unpak the SDN files transmitted by Planet
JJ> Connect. PK361 dosen't want to do it.

Use ARJ.

Regards,
           Robert

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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1361
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/16/93 11:59p
Subj: Hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Hi Patty. Could you please respond to this message, I sent a message
to Boyd in the hopes of getting a response as a test message, but as of
yet, I have received nothing back from him. Thanks in advance.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1362
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/17/93  8:14p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Could ANYONE please reply to this. Just a test. I have seen my users
get replies and I am now beginning to feel left out :-[


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1363
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/18/93  8:52p
Subj: SDN files                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

17 Dec 93, John Jamieson writes to All:

 JJ> What do I use to unpak the SDN files transmitted by Planet Connect.
 JJ> PK361 dosen't want to do it.

ARJ it the new Archiver of choice for the SDN files.


Dennis

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1364
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/18/93  8:35p
Subj: Re: .qwk packets                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/16/93> John Jamieson wrote:

JJ> JL> JJ> TB> Does anyone out there have a .qwk packet to Hudson or JAM
JJ> JL> messag

JJ> Sorry about that, a screwup here, I sent you a copy and fixed things
JJ> incase anone else goes for it. Thanks for alerting me to the problem.

JJ>     John

Ya I have had that same thing happen here.  Thanks very much.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Misspelled?  Impossible. Error correcting modem!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1365
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/18/93  8:37p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ervin!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/17/93> Ervin Jay wrote:

EJ> Hello JOE!

EJ> Wednesday December 15 1993, JOE LYDA writes to ERVIN JAY:

EJ>  EJ>> Does AreaFIX not have a "NewAreaCreate" verb??

EJ>  JL> For Squish but for Gomail it does not create it correctly.  If
EJ>  JL> anyone has a version of AREAFIX that does then give info on where
EJ>  JL> I can freq it.

EJ> Ahh, I see the problem.....  I would doubt there is an Areafix for GoMail

EJ> It is unfortunate that it is not an Areafix cfriendly mail processor as
EJ> NewAreasCreate is nice option to have...

EJ> Cheers, Ervin

Yes it is a very good option and other than that it works
flawlessly in turning off/on for the downlinks here.  Oh well
someday.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Never take a beer to a job interview.

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1366
  To: PCBOARD OPS!                             Date: 12/16/93  9:42p
Subj: A2C.EXE                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The Carving sound you heard was a letter being written for PCBoard Operators!

I have a major amount of people trying to freq A2C.EXE from here. The following
people have it online and Running:

MySelf
Geoff Lewis
Bob Oyler

I just called and uploaded to:

1:3619/1 - FL - Nice looking PCBoard Dude! (What all PPE's are u using?)
1:266/22 - NJ - Liked your Verification PGM (What is it?)

Tried to upload it to (but is busy non-stop), will try later:

1:249/304 - OH

-=-

    I am flipping the bill on this, since I am currently NOT allowing Freqs
from my system. But I am sure you will enjoy enough the time A2C saves you so
much, that you will register - hint hint :)

OZZ
HEY!  Stop reading me!!!

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1367
  To: <YOU DUDE(ETTE)>                         Date: 12/17/93  1:32a
Subj: RELEASE(S).                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The Carving sound you heard was a letter being written for <You!

AVAILABLE VIA NETMAIL REQUEST(S):

A2C_OTW    - AREAS LISTING TO PCBOARD CNAMES.@@@ CONVERT PGM.
VTREE2.EXE - VISUAL STYLE TREE - BUT ALSO SHOWS # OF FILES & # BYTES PER DIR!

TESTING TO RELEASE: (OR UPDATE WITH A NEW VERSION)

CHKBOOK2.EXE - PERSONAL CHECKBOOK UTILITY. A QUICK/SIMPLE VERSION OF QUICKEN.
               (*) UNLIMITED CHECKING ACCOUNTS SUPPORTED!
CODE3OF9.EXE - SIMPLE UTILITY TO PRINT BARCODES. (3 OF 9) (2 OF 5 SOON!)
SMALLBIZ.ZIP - SMALL BUSINESS VERSION OF MY ACCOUNTING PACKAGE. (MAJOR KEWL!)

RTP.ZIP      - Rino Tic Processor - Getting out of the Beta! Finally! I have
made some major changes to this one! Now it has a Setup PGM, and much much
more! I got my hands on a package from Europe called "FileMgr" - They do TIC's
to the limit over there! (One new thing - will allow NetMail - Rescan's of
areas and/or files).

*******************************************************************************

    Another lame message, from the CrashGod... opps, CashGod... A few people
have talked about wanting these type of utilities/apps. on the backbone, and I
am releasing them. (Local's get to play 1st). A2C has already had $100.00's
worth of registrations... Not a lot, but its such a simple utility its kewl to
get $100.00 for it <G>! Vtree2 is part of the development towards the OTW DOS
Commander (for Dummies). And the 3 Business Related Toys are just things Mike
Hill and I have been talking about me releasing a "cheaper" version (I charge
$7000.00 for the big version).

    Coming Soon - ChkUp.Exe (For All BBSes!) - A killer Upload Processor -
NightDiver will be doing most of the "Art" work. It should be killer fast!
Internal Support for (Arc, Lzh, Zip, Zoo, Arj). Supports Fossil/Direct, and is
programmable (for what the users will see - you can draw your own "Art"). Again
it will also Haul Ass Like RTP has been noted for... <G>!

OZZ
All generalizations are false.

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1368
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/18/93  7:23p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Guy VanDell wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

GS> Who on earth told you there were 7000 newsgroups?

GV> well if you have 5400 + 600 fido, you get 6000, not 7000 but
GV> still close.

GV> I still hold fast to the 5400 newsgroups, although some are
GV> regionals, but we might as well get a full feed.

If you say so.....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1369
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 12/18/93  7:24p
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim Brown wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

GS>Hello All!

GS>Those of you are not real happy with PCUTIL or your own batchfile
GS>implementation s for handling the files coming in over the satellite
GS>without duping might want to take a look at SKYMAIL.ZIP

TB> Looks good!  Unfortunately I would have to run PCUTIL with
TB> it as PCUTIL has a very nice echo processing option: NEXTx
TB> which allows me to place my mail bundles in an intermediate
TB> directory and move them a few at a time for unpacking.  This

You define the directory for Skymail to move the mail bundles to.....you can do
whatever you like with them at that point.....

TB> It would be nice for the missed files to also be written to
TB> a second log so that it could be processed as file request
TB> automatically.

Just parse out the lines from the skymail.log using something like QSORT.....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1370
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/18/93  7:38p
Subj: SDN files                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Jamieson wrote in a message to All:

JJ> What do I use to unpak the SDN files transmitted by Planet
JJ> Connect. PK361 dosen't want to do it.

.ARJ

[e-mail]

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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 1371
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 12/19/93  1:25a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Guy VanDell scripted in a message to Roger Morris:

GV> HOW DID YOU GET UP to 183 msgs/sec..

Lots of RAM, dedicated as ramdisk and cache.  And a fast drive / controller
setup helps too.


   ... Remus ...


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From: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                       Number: 1372
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 12/18/93  4:44p
Subj: Moving South                            Refer: NONE
Read: 12/20/93  8:17p                       Private: No

 TH> I'm moving from Atlanta to Miami.  Can I use my 7 ft C-band system
 TH> that far south?  The video says that I'll need a 10 ft dish....

Tim, no need to, I am in Miami and am hooked up to Planet Connect.  Using a 7.5
ft Ku dish, by the way (just happened to have one handy).

Keep my node number (135/94) for reference, and send me netmail when you get
here!

 * MKRead v1.04 * A wise shepherd never trusts his flock to a smiling wolf.

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 1373
  To: LANCE TAYLOR-WARREN                      Date: 12/19/93  6:42p
Subj: .BAG FILES                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

LT> Works rather well. FREQ fqconfig.zip from my system for
LT> sample batch files and configs.

...cut...

Node 1:213/0           BinkleyTerm Version 2.58            19-Dec-93  16:28

Net 213 NC - Internet Gateway was unable to complete a file request made by
your system, 1:391/1180, at this time. The request which failed was:

FQCONFIG.ZIP

The reason that the request was not satisfied at this time is that
the requested file was not found.

...cut...

Could you hatch this out over the PCUTILS file echo, I'm sure it would be of
interest to more people then just me....

Thanks for your time.

        John.....

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1374
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/19/93  6:00p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Robert Hilgar wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

RH> Greg Shaffer wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

GS> Who on earth told you there were 7000 newsgroups?

RH>         Well Greg, tell us then, just how many are there on
RH> a FULL feed?         I have seen differnt figures
RH> everywhere, but most of my info         comes from
RH> Boardwatch magazine. Now I know you will ask, "Oh,
RH> yeah, which issue was that in?" but don't bother because I
RH> can't         remember.

There are a little under 2500......

[e-mail]

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1375
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/19/93  4:53p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > ... Do married women make the best wives?
 >

Why not? They get the most practice at it... ;-)


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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1376
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/19/93  4:55p
Subj: ERROR BLOCK'S                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >> The receiver is apparantly a sensitive little jasper and should be kept
 >> away from *any* possible EMF. If this keeps up I'll have to build a
 >> Faraday cage around it.
 >
 > FWIW, I have my receiver above two computers and below a monitor.  I
 > just don't get any errors.  I have the C band receiver.

Geez, my receiver sits right on top of my desktop 386 - no data problems at
all...

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1377
  To: THOMAS CHRISTOPH                         Date: 12/19/93  5:01p
Subj: USENET NEWS FEEDS                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I heard that there is going to be a full Usenet news feed on here in
 > January.  Is this correct?  If so, what will be involved in getting
 > that feed through the Planet Connect system?

So far, Boyd is testing with alt.bbs (and perhaps others). We are all currently
receiving PCUSENET.nnn files through the dish. These files contain *.BAG files,
which can be imported/tossed into your bbs message base using whatever uuccp
software you have handy. That takes care of the incoming mail. You will still
need to make arrangements with either Boyd or a local internet site for your
outbound mail.(and internet netmail). We haven't worked out all the logistics
yet,,, we're looking for ideas, though...

Regards



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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1378
  To: SEAN BEGGS                               Date: 12/19/93  5:03p
Subj: PLANET WIDE?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >
 > Is this echo broadcast across the globe?  I've only seen some
 > messages from a fairly limited geographical area.
 >
 > Oh, by the way:  Hi. I'm new.  Heh

Welcome to the club. Say HI to teh SDN gang up there for me, and welcome to
this club... North America only. That's the footprint of the bird.

Regards



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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1379
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/19/93  5:05p
Subj: SDN FILES                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > They are actually compressed with ARJ.   Just rename them to .ARJ
 >
 > ren *.sdn  *.arj

Although this is something fairly easy to do, SDN files must carry the .SDN
extension for at least 30 days before being renamed.

Regards



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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 1380
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 12/19/93  6:27p
Subj: A2C.EXE                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Tried to upload it to (but is busy non-stop), will try later:
->
-> 1:249/304 - OH

Sorry OZZ, that's ON, Ontario. You did finally get through. Thanks. Now I just
have to find the time to look at it. I can't even remember what it does
now.... <G>



Skaal,
 White Viking  -}-----*

     *8)

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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 1381
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93  6:38p
Subj: PCBoard                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Another message to ALL PCBoard Sysops:

If you are looking for a fine tosser, check out QSCAN by Rob Kitteredge. It's
part of his QFRONT package. I'm already running Intermail 2.25 so I didn't need
QFRONT, but have been sorely hit for a good tosser. I registered FIDOPCB, but
it has problems for a multi-net hub. Specifically, AKA's in the seen-by's.

Anyway, QSCAN is completely uncrippled (QFRONT is the crippled part of the
package) and is faster than a forest fire. Setup is slightly clunky, but I
wrote a simple qbasic program (20 lines) to import my SQUISH.CFG file on a
on-shot basis. This thing is good too. It sucks in the entire backbone from the
satellite (7MB), tosses the whole thing locally, plus packs up about 4.5Mb for
my local nodes in about 1.5 - 2.0 hours on a 386-33.

Because it doesn't use file-attaches, I mangled the archiver entries and forced
it to leave the packets as .PKT's. I then rename them to .OUT and make Squish
pack them up for transmission.

If anyone want's more details on this thing or the way I set it up, netmail me
at 1:249/304.

Skaal,
 White Viking  -}-----*

     *8)

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From: MICHAEL REEVES                         Number: 1382
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/18/93  7:06p
Subj: SDN files                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JJ>What do I use to unpak the SDN files transmitted by Planet Connect.
  >PK361 dosen't want to do it.

JJ>    John

SDN switched from pak to arj.

Michael Reeves

 ■ QMPro 1.51 ■ It's not hard to meet expenses, they're everywhere.


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From: BILL LARSON                            Number: 1383
  To: SEAN BEGGS                               Date: 12/19/93  3:57a
Subj: planet wide?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


SB>Is this echo broadcast across the globe?  I've only seen some messages from
SB>fairly limited geographical area.

SB>--- Maximus/2 2.01wb
SB> * Origin: *NETWORK23 WINNIPEG,MB [phone] 5 LINES* (89:720/203)

all i know is that there is no zone 89 and that you should put your
fidonet address in fidonet areas i think it is mandatory


 * OLX 2.1 TD * Juan Valdes dies: family says they will freeze dry!
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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 1384
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/18/93  1:50p
Subj: SDN files                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Jamieson wrote in a message to All:

JJ> Connect. PK361 dosen't want to do it.

Use the most recent ARJ.EXE at your disposal. If it doesn't work grab the
newest from a friendly BBS. I find that ARJ 2.41 works.

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1385
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 12/17/93  9:11p
Subj: UUCP                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

ON>     e. Who all is running PCBoard with the DISH? I have been writing things
ON> left and right for PCB, and want to know if there are any other utils I
forgot
ON> to put in my package...

Well OZZ, I will be doing my site survey tommorow.  Then I will know
if the dish is suitable for my location.  If so, I only need another
$100 to order it.  I am hoping to order in about 2-3 weeks.

I run PCBoard here.  I am a bit concerned about the newsgroups on the
dish though.  Limited newsgroups sound fine, but I don't know about
putting a full feed on it unless it can somehow be compressed.  I think
that PageSat's system is running 45mb a day and just barely keeps up.
I am not running it so don't know for sure, but if so, I would hate to
give up the .QWK and FidoNet for newsgroups.  I already get newsgroups
here but would prefer dish feed if the bandwidth will allow it, not if
it will take away from the current .QWK/FidoNet stuff coming through it.




TRENDS! is coming to Sumner in February.....Be on the lookout!!!

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1386
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/19/93  7:40a
Subj: AKA's in Seenby's                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Everything is working fine here...
Thanks for your Help..

BTW,
I discovered a Solution to the Missing Mail that I was Sending to 3615/50,
that did not show up on the backbone...

I was un-aware that my Mail Processor was including ALL of my AKA's by
Default to the SeenBy's
even though I was ONLY using my Primary Node to Return mail to 3615/50.

I checked the Doc's to my Mail Processor and discover how to keep the my AKA
Addresses from being included in the Seenby's that I was sending back to
3615/50.

Now all my outbound Backbone mail is showing up on the Backbone..

Regards,
George Vandervort

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From: TROLL                                  Number: 1387
  To: TEST                                     Date: 12/19/93  2:16a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 1388
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/18/93  5:23p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Sean Peoples:

DO> Oh, that.  It only applies to certain unrecognized EMIS
DO> sequences that result in a lose of EMSI header info.  The
DO> connects still occur and run fine.  Many of us have been
DO> feeding Vince info on this trying to find the right set of
DO> parameters.

Ok, it's not clear from the WHATSNEW file that this is the case...

DO> I'm beginning to think the problem with connecting to Boyd
DO> may be ISDN related.  The CONNECT 38400 back to Bink seems
DO> to adjust some of the timers.  Boyd's system is responding
DO> slowly for some reason (probably LAN related) and Bink
DO> doesn't wait long enough to negotiate the session.
DO> Hopefully Vince is working on that as well.

In the mean time, I believe there is a Binkley 2.50.EE.xx version out with ISDN
support...Not sure if this will suit your needs or not, but it's a thought at
least...

Later...

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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 1389
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/16/93  1:22p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Robert Hilgar scripted in a message to Todd Lyons:

RH> Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

TL> I use
TL> Fmail which is not JAM yet and it is the one that he quoted
TL> doing 50 messages per second.  With as much mail, as many
TL> downlinks as I have, and across an arcnet network, I average
TL> about 10 per second.

My record for Squish is 183 msgs/sec under DOS.  That's with a highly tweaked
486-33 operating as a peer server.  My goal is 200, but I've got other things
to work on right now: with everything located on a Novell server, I'm currently
pushing 40 msgs/sec.


RH> Well Maximus isn't the prettiest
RH> BBS around, but it seems to fit our needs.

Maximus can be as pretty as you customize it to be; it's all in the mecca
scripts.


RH> I just hate spending money on software
RH> when it can be used for hardware.

Yeah, there's no such thing as too much RAM.


RH> Anyone else care to enlighten us
RH> as to what problems or successes<sp> you are coming accross
RH> with your current configuration?

We (both Patty and myself) are having problems with AreaFix running across
Novell, and no version of Binkley will run under Novell's VLM requester.
Currently I'm using SEAL to replace AreaFix and Raid, but it's not working out
too well.  The PC software runs great under the VLMs, as it did under NetX and
with all the recent versions of DOS tired here.  Maximus handles the large
number of file and message areas carried here, although we do need to break
them down into groups for ease of reading.


RH> I was surprised to see Patty Pickett go from RBBS to
RH> Searchlight and now to Maximus. Perhaps she shares my views.

Don't know about the views part, but Patty dropped RBBS because of internal
problems with the development groups, and Searchlight because of it's technical
limitations.  I was running Max when we met, and that helped convince her to
give it a try.  (She was already looking at it ... )  For now Maximus suits our
needs, but that doesn't mean it will tomorrow.


   ... Remus ...


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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1390
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/19/93 11:30p
Subj: What's this?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

What are the HOLD & HOLD1 files?  There were no where to be found in the
download areas?  And they certainly would have shut down Tic processing as
Skymail never would have reported all received.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
19-Dec-93 at 23:19:26         SkyMail v1.0 OnLine
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Processing Mail
0 Mail Files Moved to C:\IN_MAIL\
10 Mail Files Deleted
Processing Files
0 Other Files Moved to C:\IN_FILES\
49 Other Files Deleted
Updating C:\PLANETC\SKYMAIL.IDX
Checking for Missing Mail & Files
 HOLD          Not Recieved
 HOLD1         Not Recieved
2 out of 64 Total Files NOT Recieved.
All Mail Files Recieved
19-Dec-93 at 23:20:00   SkyMail OffLine  (8)


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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1391
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/19/93 11:33p
Subj: First files                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BTW, what am I missing at the very beginning of the download cycle?  Once
PCMAIN exits, it takes several minutes to move the files to processing
directories and return to downloading.  It always starts out in the middle of a
file and thus never downloads it.  What am I missing?

It appears the TVAGENT stuff is the first stuff over, and if so I can afford to
miss it.  But just want to make certain.

Also, this morning I saw an 0000ffff.SU? file that was listed as being 4meg+ in
size and over 9000 blocks long.  I thought, "DAMN! I'll never get that without
errors!  What the...."  Yet when the download completed on the next cycle,
there was not a 4 meg file there and they were all accounted for.  Can this
thing get scrambled on it's size estimates?

Bugbustin'

D.


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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1392
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/19/93 11:39p
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Please see my message to Boyd about the HOLD and HOLD1 files.  I tried to add
them to the 'exemptfile' list as 'HOLD.' and 'HOLD1.' but Skymail ignored the
entries.  They were in the UPLD list as 'HOLD' and 'HOLD1'....  now that I
think about it, it's a text based comparison instead of a file based comparison
isn't it.  Anyway, these things sure plugged up the works.

I've got a ways to go but I'm learning and this Skymail ditty sure made it
easier.

Thanks

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1393
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/19/93 11:49p
Subj: Status fields                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

One more thing.....

What do the status fields indicate on the status display at the bottom of the
screen?  Blocks, Errors, CB and Sz are self-evident, but the PHs, PBs, CBs and
T??s are a little more difficult.

Thanks

D.

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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 1394
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/20/93  6:34a
Subj: .tic files                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello boyd,

Need some .tic files for the following... do you still have them? Can you put
them on hold for me???

12-19-19 LST      1032
AMSAT345 LZH      4663
ANART789 LZH      5359
ARLB116  LZH       894
ARLD068  LZH       615
ARLK052  LZH      2056
DX2TEXT  ZIP      7729
FB310    SDA      1194
FB310    SDN    241293
IMPR9312 SDA      2166
IMPR9312 SDN     27915
IRRS_LNG LZH      1225
IRRS_PRG LZH      2029
IRRS_SCH LZH      1193
KRIS_JR1 SDA      1447
KRIS_JR1 SDN    123394
KRIS_JR2 SDN    150222
NECYAGIS ZIP     98195
OPDX-1   LZH       893
OPDX139  LZH      2437
PA1200B  ZIP     93546
PCECAP30 SDA      3514
PCECAP30 SDN    178780
PCSWIN40 SDA      2921
PCSWIN40 SDN    301560
SPC1213  LZH      2721
TERG     ZIP     14108
WGAMAIL  ZIP    906918


 Dave

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1395
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 12/20/93  8:14p
Subj: UUCP                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The Carving sound you heard was a letter being written for Tim!

Friday December 17 1993, Tim Fierro writes to Ozz Nixon:

 ∙─═TF═─∙ Well OZZ, I will be doing my
 ∙─═TF═─∙ site survey tommorow.  Then I
 ∙─═TF═─∙ will know if the dish is
 ∙─═TF═─∙ suitable for my location.  If
 ∙─═TF═─∙ so, I only need another $100 to
 ∙─═TF═─∙ order it.  I am hoping to order
 ∙─═TF═─∙ in about 2-3 weeks.

    Good luck! Its great! Many new programs come in every morning...

 ∙─═TF═─∙ I run PCBoard here.  I am a bit
 ∙─═TF═─∙ concerned about the newsgroups
 ∙─═TF═─∙ on the dish though.  Limited
 ∙─═TF═─∙ newsgroups sound fine, but I
 ∙─═TF═─∙ don't know about putting a full
 ∙─═TF═─∙ feed on it unless it can somehow
 ∙─═TF═─∙ be compressed.  I think that
 ∙─═TF═─∙ PageSat's system is running 45mb
 ∙─═TF═─∙ a day and just barely keeps up.
 ∙─═TF═─∙ I am not running it so don't
 ∙─═TF═─∙ know for sure, but if so, I
 ∙─═TF═─∙ would hate to give up the .QWK
 ∙─═TF═─∙ and FidoNet for newsgroups.  I
 ∙─═TF═─∙ already get newsgroups here but
 ∙─═TF═─∙ would prefer dish feed if the
 ∙─═TF═─∙ bandwidth will allow it, not if
 ∙─═TF═─∙ it will take away from the
 ∙─═TF═─∙ current .QWK/FidoNet stuff
 ∙─═TF═─∙ coming through it.

    Soon that will be resolved! I am talking with Bob Oyler over at DataBank.
They will be my uplink - I am working on making sure I will be able to handle
the *.BAG files. I have written for PCBoard a TIC processor that works! for one
thing, and the second thing is it gives anyone running the DISH in a CRP
enviroment a great way to make sure the files are not being handed out to
anyone and everyone! RTP takes in the TIC file sends out with an encrypted RTP
netmail with associated file(s) attached. It is extremely fast and supports all
the local areas BBS software. It will import it into their BBS smoohtly!

    But back to the newsgroups - when I finish PCBYToss - One tosser will do
QWK, PKT, and BAG - plus a few otehr formats. Which will help increase your
processing speed. The size stuff will be cured soon! I am writing a DOOR for
PCBoard - it uses LZH compressed msg bases for a BBS package I designed over
the last 14 years! I sold the rights to my BBS package - but kept the rights to
my thoeries! It will install seamless to PCBoard - and will appear as a normal
part of the BBS - but adds some things PCBoard is a lil' behind on in the MSG
area. Plus you won't have to use PCBNet to update the user mail flags :)

    And lastly - when you go live with the DISH I wrote a convert program that
will take 4 standard AREAS LISTING files and generate a new CNAMES.@@@ for you
- save major hours of typing! We are designing the "final" release right now,
that will allow moving of conferences, deletion as the conference dies, plus it
already adds the new areas automatically. (Thanks to Bob Oyler we now offer the
ability to support d'bridge Areas.BBS format, and the ability to specify a
starting conference # if you carry more than 1 net online). When you are ready
send me netmail to 1:18/201 or 1:362/201 and I will send you a complete
listing! I won't be releasing the lastest releases until January - about the
time you jump in with us :)

OZZ
I drink, therefore I am.

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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 1396
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93 10:12p
Subj: PC Usenet                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

What software would i need to use to start tossing the usenet feeds into
RemoteAccess?

Thanks,
Bill

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1397
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 12/20/93  5:58p
Subj: Re: Is anyone out there?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  >    Well I dont mind. With me being single I have to sprouce up my
->  > mintutes of free time a day.
->
->
->     Geez, you mean you get 3 whole minutes of uninterrupted free time
-> Boyd?  We'll have to talk to your boss about that.  <g>
->
->
->                         --)@  Patty  @(--
->

NAAA!!!! Let 'm work !!!    <GG!>


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1398
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/20/93  6:02p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ->Keith,
-> -> I simply took FIDONET.NA and built a huge AREAS.BBS that included
-> ->areas. Took about an hour and a half using TSE (Qedit on steroids),
-> ->my downlinks can turn on any echo that's there.
->
->   I wrote a program that will do it in about 15-20 seconds.  Let me
->   clean it up and I ?hatch? it to somewhere.
->
->   Chuck
->
->   p.s.  Also have one to handle TIC files.
->

Hi Chuck,
    Say, do ya have one that will automaticaly update
the tic control file???
    Right now, most of the stuff is passthrough, but when
something new comes down the pipe, it winds up in my
newareas area. Then I have to set up the thing manually.

Can anyone else help me automate the adding of new file areas??

Thanks,
Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1399
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 12/20/93  6:10p
Subj: ERROR BLOCK'S                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> jasper and should be kept away from *any* possible EMF. If this keeps
-> have to build a Faraday cage around it.
->

I have mine grounded and sealed in a plastic bag.
Then I put it in the bottom of a 5gal bucket.
Covered it with 12 inches of dirt to make sure I
had a GOOD earth ground and finished by filling
the bucket with water!!!..


Works GREAT!!!

;)
Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1400
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/20/93  6:15p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Once, a long time ago, I considered using Wildcat and the reason I de
-> to is that the file search function is
-> s...l...o...w! If it were faster, (9 cd-rom drives) I might have gone
->
->
-> Regards,
->            Robert
->

Bob,
    What ya using ??
I'm a 1.1 Wildcater, now using 3.55, but I too am looking for
something better.
Thanks,
Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1401
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/20/93  6:17p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> FS> This same system will be used when I am ready to accept
-> FS> links to Rhub 13/24 (107/33).
->
-> Fred could you put AREAFIX and your AREAFIX.CTL file where I can
-> freq it for me.
-> Joe
->

Sorry for the delay in my answer.
Will do soon as I  can. Will let ya know.
If next year gets here and you haven't heard
from me, YELL!!!

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1402
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/20/93  6:34p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->     Could ANYONE please reply to this. Just a test. I have seen my us
-> get replies and I am now beginning to feel left out :-[
->
->
-> Cheers!
-> Tim Lajoie,
-> SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net
->
Knock Knock, Someone out there???
Guess not,
Oh Well.


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From: TOM JONES                              Number: 1403
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/19/93  4:32p
Subj: Re: SDN files                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > They are actually compressed with ARJ.   Just rename
 > them to .ARJ

You don't need to rename them...just furnish arj with the extension
when you try to decompress them.  Earlier (prior to June, 1993) SDN
files used PAK.
Tom

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From: TOM JONES                              Number: 1404
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/20/93 10:27p
Subj: Missing TIC files                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,
Seems to be several files (mostly SDN) being passed down
without the TIC file.  I have even included a batch command
to copy all received TIC's to a separate directory before
processing with PCUTIL just to be sure that they aren't somehow
being deleted.  Here is a listing as of today that I cannot find
a matching TIC for:

 FB310    SDA
 IMPR9312 SDA
 KRIS_JR1 SDA
 PCSWIN40 SDA
 PCECAP30 SDA
 KRIS_JR1 SDN
 PCSWIN40 SDN
 PCECAP30 SDA
 KRIS_JR1 SDN
 PCSWIN40 SDN
 KRIS_JR2 SDN
 PCECAP30 SDN
 IMPR9312 SDN
 FB310    SDN

Tom

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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 1405
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93 10:20p
Subj: GEcho                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Are there any programs or utilities that will scan the badecho folder and
autoadd those areas in GEcho?

Or anything that will read in a fidonet.n? file, and autoadd those new areas
into GEcho..

Seems that this mail tosser lacks the auto-add badecho feature, that some
others have...<sigh>

Oh, and are we allowed to post the weather maps for our users yet?  I remember
awhile ago the details were still being worked out...

-AND- anyone have a list of the current usenet echos that are being
broadcasted?  So I can test them on my end.   Will PC send usenet messages back
onto the net, or must we find our own way back?

Bill

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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 1406
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93 11:10p
Subj: Desqview                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Sorry for all the posts in a row here folks, but I'm still somewhat of a newbie
in these parts...:)

This problem involves DV.. It seems that after a while, the Pc software no
longer is receiving the data from the dish.
I know data is coming in, as the data light is flickering on the unit.

I haven't been able to pin down the reason for the pc software not seeing the
data..  The software doesn't lock up at all.  All the pulldowns work fine.  I
just have to exit the program, and re-start it, and everything will start back
up again... and it will last for a random amount of time.

I'm running the data receiver unit on COM3, IRQ5, using the
settings provided in the set-ini.doc file on the disk. the FIFO is turned on.
Here are my settings:

SKYPORT=3
SKYPORTBASE=3E8
SKYPORTVECTOR=0D
SKYPORTIRQ=5
SKYPORTMASK=20
SKYPORTPIC=21
SKYFIFO=TRUE

I don't think I have an interrupt conflict, as I've been
able to hook up a modem to this com port, and dial out while a user is on the
system.

What are the recommended/suggested settings for running it under Dv?  Must I
configure it with X00?  And what exactly is the proper command line for it?  I
haven't had any luck trying to configure this port, using the irq of 5.

If anyone can help, please do!

Thanks,
Bill

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1407
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/20/93  6:22p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > > nodes on network workstations, likely diskless accessing a
 > relatively> busy server.  Nodelists, etc are shared over the
 > network.  (How close am
 >
 >    Well each node has its own HD and copy of D'bridge. All each
 > system share is the session password file. D'bridge makes its
 > own nodelist database which is faster than accessing the
 > nodelist. Whne Jerry connects the hand-shaking and securety
 > checking only takes about 1.5 seconds.

I'm having alittle trouble connecting to the ISDN line as well, Boyd. I'll see
if Finney in Chattanooga is having the same problem and if he is, we'll get
Bell to look at your trunk group.

Did Joe get that packet sent off to Bell for the ISDN line to Knoxville?

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 1408
  To: JOHN HERRBACH                            Date: 12/20/93  8:24p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Herrbach wrote in a message to Roger Morris:

JH> Hello Roger,

JH> On Dec. 16, 1993 at 13:22 , Roger Morris of 1:380/25 wrote:

 RM> My record for Squish is 183 msgs/sec under DOS.  That's with a
 RM> highly tweaked 486-33 operating as a peer server.  My goal is
 RM> 200, but I've got other things to work on right now: with
 RM> everything located on a Novell server, I'm currently pushing 40
 RM> msgs/sec.

JH> I thought I read that Squish has problems on fast machines,
JH> was it related to dupe checking?  I don't recall.  You might
JH> want to ask Scott Dudley.  Running Squish too fast may lose
JH> you some mail, as I recall.

that's only under os/2..

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From: MARGE CLARK                            Number: 1409
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/20/93  7:54p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message posted on or about <Dec 18 22:15>, Robert Hilgar (1:266/520)
 >        Is ver1.10 really faster than 2.04?

not if you set it for maximum speed, rather than maximum compression.

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1410
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 12/20/93  6:24a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->how soon do you expect to hatch it? I'd rather do it in 20 seconds than
->a few hours.

   Someone asked me about adding GEcho support, so I was waiting for
   some info on it.  Guess I could close out what I have (QuickBBS
   style) and add the other later.  No sense delaying what others can
   use now.

   Chuck


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1411
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 12/20/93  6:34a
Subj: TIC's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->I'll definitely be trying your batch file after doing some modifications
->to it. I didn't realize that you can put command line options for
->WCFILE.

  I wrote a program (WCTICK) that will write this batch file for you.

  FREQ: WCTICK

  Chuck


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1412
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/20/93  6:35a
Subj: Hello                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    Hi Patty. Could you please respond to this message, I sent a message
->to Boyd in the hopes of getting a response as a test message, but as of
->yet, I have received nothing back from him. Thanks in advance.

   Just in case, we have you in Middle Ga.

   Chuck


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1413
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/21/93 12:59a
Subj: Re: 1st Transmit of the d               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > Daily transmits start at 7:30am EST.
->
->    Changed to 7:45 am eastern.

    Thanks for the update. BTW, am I correct to assume that at the start
of the NEW daily feed, the feed does NOT stop, and just switches over
from what is currently coming across and starts feeding the new info? If
so, what are the chances of getting the feed start fresh  so that we can
get an errol level and drop out, as we do with the repeats?


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1414
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/21/93  1:02a
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> OK Merry Christmas!! The feed appears to be working fine. Got you up

    And a Merry Christmas to you and EVERYONE reading this! BTW, I'm
from Sault Ste. Marie, ONTARIO!

-> Canada! Hmm... wonder if you are accepting return Internet bags? from
-> origin line? I still need to get that set up over here.

    Actually, I am in the middle of figuring out how to work in my
current feed to allow return services for the folks on here. I'll keep
you posted!


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 1415
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/20/93  8:04p
Subj: DO YOU HAVE THIS PROBLEM?               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount wrote in a message to ALL:

TB>  Can anyone check their log and see if the following mail
TB> bundles  were saved and processed?

TB> 0000FFFF.THA
TB> 0000FFFF.THB
TB> 0000FFFF.FR0
TB> 0000FFFF.FRF
TB> 0000FFFF.SA0
TB> 0000FFFF.SAA

TB>  I saw some of these bundles come in but they were NOT
TB> written  to  my \files  directory and therefore  NEVER  were
TB>  processed.   Can  you check your log and see if your system

I have .FR0 thru .FRF and .SA0 thru .SAF here.  They were tossed normally.  I'm
using PCCHECK...



=Eric


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From: RANDY BLACKMOND                        Number: 1416
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/20/93  9:52p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 JL> Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is duped
 JL> back to me the next day.  There is several dupes coming in
 JL> lately.  Seems like it started around 2 weeks ago.  Is it
 JL> possible someone has their tosser configured to do this to us.

My net just started receiving the sat. link not too long ago and this very
subject crossed my mind... It would seem these type of dupes are inherent and
impossible to avoid. If you send a message up to PC, you'd inevitably get it
back in the next sat. downlink since you're getting the same packets everyone
else is.. Think about it. My tosser detects and kills these dupe ring messages
so I don't really have a problem with them. Doesn't cost me any more or less
dollar-wise... Maybe an extra minute or so processing and a few more K of HD
space used temporarily.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1417
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/20/93 11:30p
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > GS>implementation s for handling the files coming in over the satellite
 > GS>without duping might want to take a look at SKYMAIL.ZIP

Because of my own problems, I may have missed some files, so I wanted to double
check whether or not SkyMail was hatched off the bird? I tried requesting it
from your system but was unceremoniously dispatched <smile>.

So did it come through or is there another way to get it?

.glenn.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1418
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/20/93 11:36p
Subj: SupraFax                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I hope this is appropriate in here Boyd?

I got a v32bis modem to support the connects with PC and am retiring my HST.
The modem is a SupraFax 144LC. I'm having two problems that I could use some
advice on if anyone out there is using this modem with Front Door:

1) I cannot get it to maintain an offhook condition. It responds to the ATH1|
command but after 1-2 minutes restores the line onhook. This is a problem for
my users and points who believe that my system must have crashed over the hours
I am downlinking from the satellite.

2) I only tried once, but while I did not get a connect with 3615/50 with the
Supra. I get a clean and effective connect at 2400 with my HST but the Supra
spewed garbage and disconnected.

I can post the modem settings if that will help, but I thought first someone
might know off the top of their head.

.glenn.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1419
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/20/93 11:37p
Subj: PC Test                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Someone please acknowledge that they received this message.

No.

grin.

.glenn.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1420
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/20/93 11:39p
Subj: Canadian Office                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd could you post Dave's phone number here? I've lost all my paper and I need
to call him. Might also be useful for any lurkers in Canada wondering who to
contact for a feed.

.glenn.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1421
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/20/93 11:47p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is
 > duped back to me the next day.
...
 > fix it.   P L E A S E

You're joking, right Joe? :-)

In case you are not, here is the explanation. Every msg that you generate will
come back to you as a dupe. There is no other way for it to work. Your msg hits
PC, it gets packaged with all the others and uplinked to the satellite. You
then downlink the mail from the satellite which, hopefully, includes the msgs
you generated yourself. If you don't get them back from the bird, then none of
the rest of us get them either. I actually like this particular dupe problem
because it makes for very easy tracking of outbound echomail volumes and
identification of any problems.

.glenn.

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1422
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  2:50a
Subj: Ticks                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


   Well I don't realy know what happened to all those ticks but I have taken
precaution to not letting it happen again. From this day on you will be able to
get every tick you need by freq from 3615/51 a file that starts with the date
of the ticks you want and ending in ZIP. Like if you missed some of todays
(12-21-93) all you would have to do is freq 12-21-93.ZIP from this system and
you will get it. I apologize for losing those tic files and I dont have them
here. I hope this will insure a complete backup of all tics.


....Boyd

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From: DARYL TURNER                           Number: 1423
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/19/93 10:51a
Subj: Re: SDN files                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <17-Dec-93 11:50:00> John Jamieson (1:216/506) wrote:

 JJ> What do I use to unpak the SDN files transmitted by Planet Connect.
 JJ> PK361 dosen't want to do it.

Most SDN files are now packed with ARJ.

   Daryl


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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 1424
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/19/93 12:28p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec1912:28, Laz Gottli of 1:358/1 writes:

 >   I wrote a program that will do it in about 15-20 seconds.
 > Let me   clean it up and I ?hatch? it to somewhere.

 LG> How about comparing the old areas.bbs to a new one and then
 LG> adding the new or deleting any areas no longer in fidonet.na? and
 LG> at the same time doing it's thing with fidonet.no??

 LG> One of my problems is the new areas and the filebone messsage
 LG> areas, still.
If you ever decide to go to OS/2 then you can use control.zip. It dynamically
allocates message and file areas based on activity over a period of time. It
adds in the description for the file and message areas based on fidonet.na or
whatever net you happen to be in. It will automatically setup all areas coming
in from planet connect in less then an hour bases on a system (486-33) that
tested it out for me. This includes squish.cfg - tic.cfg - msgarea.ctl -
filearea.ctl. It also posts a RAID type message for all message areas and file
areas in a squish or .msg type format. It does this whenever adding or deleting
files or messsages. These are just a small fraction of what the rexx script
file does. Many parts of it can also be adapted for the amiga system.

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 1425
  To: RUSSELL NABER                            Date: 12/19/93 12:37p
Subj: Questions                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec1912:37, Russell Naber of 1:15/24 writes:

 RN> Is anybody running the Planet Connect software with OS2?
Doesn't work. They said that they were more interested in making a version for
unix rather then os/2. Seems like they have never heard of the gnu compilers?
Since most unix stuff has been converted to os/2 it should not take long after
they do the unix port to come up with an os/2 port. I would do it for them, but
I guess that I will just have to figure it out on my own.

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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 1426
  To: FRANK SALERNO                            Date: 12/20/93  2:59p
Subj: Fidopcb?                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Anyone out there running PCBoard 15.0 and FidoPCB as the scanner/tosser?
-> I'm presently using InterPCB/Tosscan and would like to get rid of the old
-> indexes and speed up the import.  If you are using FidoPCB, are you feeding
-> any other nodes with it?  Any suggestions welcome.  The system takes quite a
-> while to unpack the entire backbone to the BBS.

You've probably seen my other message by now Frank, but unless FIDO is the only
FTN net you are carrying, you can't use FIDOPCB. I have it, registered, but
don't use it. If you do use it, you will have to run dual configurations, one
for scanning, one for tossing. The scanner config can't know anything about
your 1:3615/51 AKA because it puts it out as part of your seen-by's. Check out
QFRONT/QSCAN. I've never been able to find TOSSCAN so I had to use
Squish/InterPCB to toss my mail. Took 7 hours on a bad (good?) day. If you use
QSCAN without QFRONT, you'll have to come up with some method of generating
file-attaches for you packets becasue QFRONT doesn't need them and QSCAN
doesn't generate them. I still allow squish to do that part.

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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 1427
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/20/93  3:16p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is duped back to me
-> the next day.  There is several dupes coming in
-> lately.  Seems like it started around 2 weeks ago.  Is it
-> possible someone has their tosser configured to do this to us.
-> Boyd got the netmail stuff fixed now lets find this dupe loop and fix it.
-> P L E A S E

Considering I've seen relatively few Dupes, I'd say your software is failing to
kill your own dupes that are coming back to you (as they should be). Don't
forget, you are sending them out as 1:3622/100 and getting them back as
1:3615/51.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1428
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/20/93  6:43p
Subj: Re: Please Send TVAGENT                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/20/93> Boyd Goodin wrote:

BG> > What mailed TVAGENT? Is there a change that has slipped past me?
BG>
BG>
BG>    Nothing much. Just that we are sending an external copy of Tvagent to
BG> everyone that has a system from us.
BG>
BG>
BG> ...Boyd
Thanks Boyd.
Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * In a VERY weak moment, I started a BBS.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1429
  To: GENO DELLAMATTIA                         Date: 12/20/93  6:44p
Subj: Re: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Geno!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/19/93> Geno Dellamattia wrote:

GD>  JL> Yes it is a very good option and other than that it works
GD>  JL> flawlessly in turning off/on for the downlinks here.  Oh well
GD>  JL> someday.

GD> Hey Joe.  Sorry I missed this the first time around.... Doesn't Gomail us
GD> areas.bbs format?  I am able to use the features of AREAFIX with Wildmail
GD> set the format to QM.  You might want to give it a try.

Will try it out.  Thanks.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Programming Dept.: Mistakes made while you wait.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1430
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/20/93  6:46p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/19/93> John Lyon wrote:

JL>    I've seen that your wrestling with areafix and Gomail.
JL>    How come your not using WM with the built in Areamgr? Pissed
JL>    at Joe and the boys? :)

Not at all pisses at them, in fact the only dealings with them is
with WCFF 3.51 and it works very well for me now.  The main
reason I never tried their tosser was a 30 day key that was in no
way time for me to figure out what I needed and then no more keys
to expermint with.  A slow learner in fact was my hang up.  Now
that Gomail will impliment AreaMgr I see no reason to switch
over. Also what I did here was write myself a log trimer for gomail
and extract any areas that tossed to Bad_Msg to a text file that is
simple to edit and tag onto my areas.bbs file.  I must admit that
I have been following the pros and cons of OCR's products and may
someday upgrade WCFF or switch tossers but not soon.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * He said "ENQ?".  "NAK!", she replied.

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1431
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 12/20/93  8:17p
Subj: UUCP                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I run PCBoard here.  I am a bit concerned about the newsgroups on the
 > dish though.  Limited newsgroups sound fine, but I don't know about
 > putting a full feed on it unless it can somehow be compressed.  I think
 > that PageSat's system is running 45mb a day and just barely keeps up.
 > I am not running it so don't know for sure, but if so, I would hate to
 > give up the .QWK and FidoNet for newsgroups.  I already get newsgroups
 > here but would prefer dish feed if the bandwidth will allow it, not if
 > it will take away from the current .QWK/FidoNet stuff coming through it.

Don't worry, it'll be compressed and at a 19.2K data stream, we won't really
be pressed all that much for time.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1432
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/20/93  8:32p
Subj: DO YOU HAVE THIS PROBLEM?               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  Can anyone check their log and see if the following mail  bundles
 >  were saved and processed?
 > 0000FFFF.THA
 > 0000FFFF.THB
 > 0000FFFF.FR0
 > 0000FFFF.FRF
 > 0000FFFF.SA0
 > 0000FFFF.SAA

----------  Sat 18 Dec 93, FMail 0.96Γ - TOSS
  14:01:51  Decompressing L:\IM\FILES\0000FFFF.SA0 (ZIP)

----------  Sat 18 Dec 93, FMail 0.96Γ - TOSS
   9:15:37  Decompressing L:\IM\FILES\0000FFFF.SAA (ZIP)
   9:15:37  Decompressing L:\IM\FILES\0000FFFF.FRF (ZIP)

----------  Fri 17 Dec 93, FMail 0.96Γ - TOSS
  10:08:34  Decompressing L:\IM\FILES\0000FFFF.FR0 (ZIP)

----------  Thu 16 Dec 93, FMail 0.96Γ - TOSS
  15:26:08  Decompressing L:\IM\FILES\0000FFFF.THA (ZIP)
  15:26:08  Decompressing L:\IM\FILES\0000FFFF.THB (ZIP)

 >  my \files  directory and therefore  NEVER  were  processed.   Can
 >  you check your log and see if your system  processed  these  mail

Did ok here.  One thing I noticed is that a few of these were the very first
file in the rotation.  Might check to see if it's only the first file that is
having trouble getting written.  Also, are you running on a LAN?  Writing to a
local hard drive or Server based drive?  Disk cacheing (I run absolutely NO
disk cache)  Fossil driver?  (I use BNU locked at 19.2, but don't initialize
the port...don't know if this does any good in the real world, but it works so
I don't mess with it)  Running through a 16550?  Dos 5.0?

That's all I can think of right now.  Good luck!

See ya                                                Todd

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From: DAVE LYLE                              Number: 1433
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/20/93 12:33p
Subj: Sdn Files                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JJ>What do I use to unpak the SDN files transmitted by Planet Connect.
JJ>PK361 dosen't want to do it.

The newer .SDN files all use ARJ.


 * SLMR 2.1a * Don't blame me, I didn't vote for him!!
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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1434
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/21/93 12:40a
Subj: DO YOU HAVE THIS PROBLEM?               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

In a message to All <12/18/93> Terry Blount wrote:

TB> Hello...

TB>  Can anyone check their log and see if the following mail  bundles
TB>  were saved and processed?

TB> 0000FFFF.THA < THIS ONE WAS THERE BUT I HAD ALREADY TRIMMED
MY LOG
TB> 0000FFFF.THB < SO WAS THIS ONE. BOTH WERE THERE ON 12/16/93
TB> 0000FFFF.FR0
TB> 0000FFFF.FRF
TB> 0000FFFF.SA0
TB> 0000FFFF.SAA

0000FFFF.THC - 0000FFFF.THH  12/17/93
0000FFFF.FR0 - 0000FFFF.FR9  12/17/93
0000FFFF.FRA - 0000FFFF.FRB  12/17/93
0000FFFF.FRC - 0000FFFF.FRF  12/18/93
0000FFFF.SA0 - 0000FFFF.SA9  12/18/93
0000FFFF.SAA - 0000FFFF.SAC  12/18/93
0000FFFF.SAD - 0000FFFF.SAF  12/19/93
0000FFFF.SU0 - 0000FFFF.SU9  12/19/93

This was extracted from my tosser log.  I trim my log and extract
all these lines out for a check to see if I got what the log
for pcutil shows I got.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * (( This tagline is a pale reflection of itself ))

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1435
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/21/93 12:50a
Subj: PC Test                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bill!

In a message to All <12/19/93> Bill Wolf wrote:

BW> Someone please acknowledge that they received this message.

BW> thanks,bill

Well Bill it got to Tullahoma TN.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Cogito ergo spud: I think therefore I yam.

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 1436
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/21/93  2:41a
Subj: ZyXELnet                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

20 Dec 93 00:05, Boyd Goodin wrote to Brian Hess:

 BG> @MSGID: 1:3615/50.0 d153c342


 BG>    They are turned on here and at John's so I dont know what the hold-up
 BG> is.


Thanks for checking,... I will wait until i see something come down my phone
link...


Thank you,
         Brian

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From: SYSOP                                  Number: 1437
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 11/26/93 11:29a
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GS>Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

GS>> Tracy Mickley wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:
GS>BG>
GS>> TM> Boyd, please STOP sending those GMD error messages. It is
GS>> TM> annoying to have to wade through these every day now.
GS>BG>
GS>> Amen......
GS>BG>
GS>BG>    Heck I stopped using that 3 days ago. When are you guys
GS>BG> tossing your mail?

GS>THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail......

GS>[e-mail]

I got 29 _TODAY_!  Same ones that came through several days ago... and
several days before that!

-Tim


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From: SYSOP                                  Number: 1438
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 11/26/93  8:45p
Subj: net messages                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

[B> Hello Boyd!

TB> We all seem to be getting a flood of netmail addressed  to  other
TB> folks who are having problems.  Would it  be  too  difficult  for
TB> you put those message on hold so that when  they  poll  you  with
TB> reply mail they would pick up these  messages?     I  seems  that
TB> method would  be a  more  professional  method  of  dealing  with
TB> individual problems.

TB> Let us be glad and rejoice, for the marriage of the Lamb is come,(Rev.19:7)

We are all getting them!  From GMD, every day, same messages repeated.

-Tim


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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 1439
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/16/93  8:40a
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GS>Those of you are not real happy with PCUTIL or your own batchfile
GS>implementation s for handling the files coming in over the satellite
GS>without duping might want to take a look at SKYMAIL.ZIP

GS>It was sent to Boyd at 3615/50 this morning for hatching or if you want
GS>to get it sooner its availible for file request from 370/510 anytime
GS>outside mail hour at HST or v32bis speeds. The file is 31k.

GS>Features:

GS> @ It optionally moves MAIL bundles and OTHER files to separate dirs

Sounds like a winner... but does it "MOVE" files rather than copy them
if you are redirecting them to a different directory on the same drive.
That has been one of my biggest challenges with PCUTIL.  It copies every
file first and adds them to check.idx, then goes back and deletes them
requiring double the space on the drive just to _move_ them to a
different directory!  I _move_ my incoming fido files to a hold
directory and then use next5 to _move_ mail files to another
directory... using a move command would make this almost instantaneous,
but instead I watch as PCUTIL uses the DOS copy command on my network to
copy 500-700K mail packets twice to get them in the right directory. <g>

-Tim


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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1440
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/20/93  1:42p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 20 00:14>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   Well each node has its own HD and copy of D'bridge. All each
 BG>system share is the session password file. D'bridge makes its own
 BG>nodelist database which is faster than accessing the nodelist.
 BG>Whne Jerry connects the hand-shaking and securety checking only
 BG>takes about 1.5 seconds.

Well, that'll pretty much eliminate slowdowns on that end.  I actually got a
couple of normal connects the other night, seems to be somewhat intermittant.
Over the analog, it's shicker'n slit so it does appear to be ISDN related.
I've got a call into Jerry to see what he knows about it.  He'll probably want
me to set up a test set with Intermail.  <Arggghh!>

later

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1441
  To: SEAN PEOPLES                             Date: 12/20/93  1:50p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 18 17:23>, Sean Peoples writes:

 SP>In the mean time, I believe there is a Binkley 2.50.EE.xx version
 SP>out with ISDN support...Not sure if this will suit your needs or
 SP>not, but it's a thought at least...

I've looked at that.  The major problem with ISDN is the CONNECT 38400 or
CONNECT 57600 messages.  2.50.EE didn't do a thing for it.  Binkley had some
code with signed integer variables that put those connects in the negative and
short circuited all error timing loops.  2.58 solved that problem.

I think the problem is with the ISDN itself and not the software, but the jury
is still out.

Thanks, Happy Holidays

D.

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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 1442
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/21/93 10:56p
Subj: What's this?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DO>What are the HOLD & HOLD1 files?  There were no where to be found in
DO>the download areas?  And they certainly would have shut down Tic
DO>processing as Skymail never would have reported all received.

DO>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
DO>19-Dec-93 at 23:19:26         SkyMail v1.0 OnLine
DO>------------------------------------------------------------------------
DO>Processing Mail
DO>0 Mail Files Moved to C:\IN_MAIL\
DO>10 Mail Files Deleted
DO>Processing Files
DO>0 Other Files Moved to C:\IN_FILES\
DO>49 Other Files Deleted
DO>Updating C:\PLANETC\SKYMAIL.IDX
DO>Checking for Missing Mail & Files
DO> HOLD          Not Recieved
DO> HOLD1         Not Recieved
DO>2 out of 64 Total Files NOT Recieved.
DO>All Mail Files Recieved
DO>19-Dec-93 at 23:20:00   SkyMail OffLine  (8)


Looks like 2 directory names to me! <G>

-Tim

p.s. PCUTIL will log subdirectory names on every pass too...


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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 1443
  To: SYSOP                                    Date: 12/21/93 10:56p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SY>GS>Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:


SY>GS>THere were GMD messages in yesterdays mail......

SY>GS>[e-mail]

SY>I got 29 _TODAY_!  Same ones that came through several days ago... and
SY>several days before that!

SY>-Tim

Gosh... wonder how this one looped around again... this post was over a
week old... haven't seen the GMD messages since then...

-Tim


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From: BILL WALTON                            Number: 1444
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93 11:21p
Subj: active.map                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

anyone have a full, or near complete uucp active.map file available for
request.

Thanks
Bill

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1445
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/21/93 10:08a
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is
 > duped
 > back to me the next day.  There is several dupes coming in
 > lately.  Seems like it started around 2 weeks ago.  Is it

Every message that you write will come back to you as a dupe from now on.
Since your mail bundles are identical to those that I recieve off the bird,
your messages have got to be in there for me to see them.  It's just one of the
necessary evils of this new technology.

When are you guys going to get ISDN tested in Winchester?  I've been waiting
for you guys for months? <g>

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 1446
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/22/93  3:13a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Boyd Goodin, John Lyon said:

JL>->    Ok here but dontr know if it gets over the bird.


JL>     Tweet  Tweet....

I tout I taw a putty tat!
:)

--- GEcho 1.00
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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1447
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/21/93  1:47a
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

DO> In a msg on <Dec 14 05:15>, Greg Shaffer writes:

DO> Thanks Greg, so far this has solved a number of problems.
DO> I've got the log reports being directed to my netmail so I
DO> can keep up with the processing.

DO> I am wondering one thing.  From your batch file examples you
DO> actually load the network drivers, etc after skymail decides
DO> there is something to move.  Why do this as opposed to
DO> simply logging into the network and back out?  Do the
DO> presence of the drivers, lanbios, etc., create problems from
DO> your experience?

Thats due to a specific problem with my system.....it seems that PTCCMAIN
cannot find the dongle about 90% of the time when the low level drivers for my
network are loaded. I believe it is specific to the cards that I run for the
network since I know someone running the same software with different cards who
doesnt have that problem.

 GS>It optionally moves MAIL bundles and OTHER files to separate dirs

DO> This is a big help as it solves the bad tic and orphaned
DO> file problem.

 GS>It logs files that were NOT recieved as well as those that were

DO> This is GREAT!  Now, if it could optionally create file
DO> request for those not received after the days cycles ends.
DO> :-)

If you are having problems not getting them all after 5 or 6 repeats then you
need to rethink your dish setup.....I usually have them all after the 1st run
and it -never- takes over 2 passes.

 GS>It is FREEWARE :)

DO> Never complain about that.  :-)

Glad you like it.....

[e-mail]

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1448
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/21/93  6:24a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET C                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> >     Sure will....it basically compares your current AREAS.BBS file to
-> > the text file (FIDONET.??) and adds any that aren't already in there,
-> > makes them 'P' passthru, and adds address 1:3615/50.

->Yes!!! Please make it available to the rest of us.. sure would save time!!

->I wonder if Boyd would put this out on the bird as well?

  Well, I try and get it out in the next day or so.  My son has b-ball
  practice tonight, so I'll see what I can do.  Definitiely by Thusday
  as I'll have the day of.

  Chuck


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From: RICK JOHNSTON                          Number: 1449
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/21/93  4:21p
Subj: PC Usenet                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > What software would i need to use to start tossing the usenet
 > feeds into RemoteAccess?


    you just need to wait three months or so...  They're working with Merlin
software to create something similar to PCBUUCP for RA systems, and it's been
announced that it will be ready by the end of March...


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1450
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  9:54p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Okay folks, for anyone using the QuickBBS style AREAS.BBS file, you can...

 FREQ:  PCAREAS

This program will take a FIDONET.NA (or any ASCII file) and check it against
your AREAS.BBS, adding any that aren't currently configured.  It will insert
them into the AREAS.BBS as 'P'assthru, adding the 1:3615/50 uplink!

Cheers, Chuck


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From: HAROLD CARLSON                         Number: 1451
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/21/93 10:19p
Subj: SDN files                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to John Jamieson, John Lyon said:
 JL>-> What do I use to unpak the SDN files transmitted by Planet Connect.
 JL>-> PK361 dosen't want to do it.
 JL>->

 JL>   Those are .ARJ files re-named.



Also remeber that some are also Pak aswell renamed.
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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1452
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/21/93 10:32p
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

DO> Please see my message to Boyd about the HOLD and HOLD1
DO> files.  I tried to add them to the 'exemptfile' list as
DO> 'HOLD.' and 'HOLD1.' but Skymail ignored the entries.  They
DO> were in the UPLD list as 'HOLD' and 'HOLD1'....  now that I
DO> think about it, it's a text based comparison instead of a
DO> file based comparison isn't it.  Anyway, these things sure
DO> plugged up the works.

Yup, its text based......This is the second time I have seen the HOLD names
come thru....I mentioned it to Boyd and he said he had a couple of directories
by those names.....Probably a glitch....

DO> I've got a ways to go but I'm learning and this Skymail
DO> ditty sure made it easier.

It is an improvement.....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1453
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 12/21/93 10:35p
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim Brown wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

GS>Those of you are not real happy with PCUTIL or your own batchfile
GS>implementation s for handling the files coming in over the satellite
GS>without duping might want to take a look at SKYMAIL.ZIP

GS>It was sent to Boyd at 3615/50 this morning for hatching or if you want
GS>to get it sooner its availible for file request from 370/510 anytime
GS>outside mail hour at HST or v32bis speeds. The file is 31k.

GS>Features:

GS> @ It optionally moves MAIL bundles and OTHER files to separate dirs

TB> Sounds like a winner... but does it "MOVE" files rather than
TB> copy them if you are redirecting them to a different
TB> directory on the same drive. That has been one of my biggest

You might ask the author....Ed Ivey.....He gets this echo.....I really have not
checked.

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1454
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/21/93 10:38p
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Glenn Caleval wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

 > GS>implementation s for handling the files coming in over the satellite
 > GS>without duping might want to take a look at SKYMAIL.ZIP

GC> Because of my own problems, I may have missed some files, so
GC> I wanted to double check whether or not SkyMail was hatched
GC> off the bird? I tried requesting it from your system but was
GC> unceremoniously dispatched <smile>.

GC> So did it come through or is there another way to get it?

Yes it was sent over the bird.....As for your FREQ, I did notice someone sent a
couple of requests that werent honored.....they came thru as netmail instead of
proper requests.

[e-mail]

--- timEd-B9
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From: JOE MEADORS                            Number: 1455
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/21/93  9:04a
Subj: planet wide?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote to Sean Beggs:

 >> Is this echo broadcast across the globe?  I've only seen some
 >> messages from a fairly limited geographical area.

 >> Oh, by the way:  Hi. I'm new.  Heh

 BG>   Welcome and it is only norht america wide,   so far!

Do you know if there is a similar service provided to users in Europe or
elsewhere?

Warmest Regards,

Joe

FidoNet: 1:160/230
BizyNet: 70:1/80
Internet: [e-mail]

--- GoldED 2.42.G1125+
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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1456
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/22/93 12:22a
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  > Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is
 >  > duped back to me the next day.
 >  > fix it.   P L E A S E
 >
 > You're joking, right Joe? :-)

No he's not.  Besides the inevitable dupe, someone is sending everything right
back out with a new message id and everything.  I checked and double checked
my system so I'm reasonably sure it's not me, but you never know <sigh>  I
hope we figure it out before too long.  I don't like reading every message
twice.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1457
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/21/93 11:58p
Subj: PC Usenet                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > What software would i need to use to start tossing the usenet feeds into
 > RemoteAccess?

I run waffle as a door to RA and let the users read directly from waffle.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1458
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/22/93 12:01a
Subj: SupraFax                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > 2) I only tried once, but while I did not get a connect with 3615/50
 > with the Supra. I get a clean and effective connect at 2400 with my HST
 > but the Supra spewed garbage and disconnected.

Sounds like a port locking problem.  Check to see if all software is set for a
locked port and if the fossil driver is too...

See ya                                                      Todd

--- Fmail.96+/RA-Pro/IM
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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 1459
  To: JOHN JAMIESON                            Date: 12/20/93 12:48a
Subj: SDN files                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JJ> What do I use to unpak the SDN files transmitted by Planet
JJ> Connect. PK361 dosen't want to do it.

ARJ 2.4x since last summer if I recall...Get a program such as GUS or SHEZ and
it will figure out the archive and do the dirty work for you all by itself.

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 1460
  To: RUSSELL NABER                            Date: 12/20/93 12:49a
Subj: Questions                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RN> Is anybody running the Planet Connect software with OS2?

Last I heard the dongle lock breaks it with OS/2 2.1...Wonder about this new
guy's software that he just released?

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1461
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/22/93  4:14a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hello John!
->
-> In a message to Joe Lyda <12/19/93> John Lyon wrote:
->
-> JL>    I've seen that your wrestling with areafix and Gomail.
-> JL>    How come your not using WM with the built in Areamgr? Pissed
-> JL>    at Joe and the boys? :)
->
-> Not at all pisses at them, in fact the only dealings with them is
-> with WCFF 3.51 and it works very well for me now.

    It's always worked for me too. But now that I'm tossing the entire
    Filebone, it has a lot to be desired. It's a memory hog!
    I have 620k available mem on the workstation that does the tics.
    When I added the entire filebone the .CFG file grew to about 57k.
    Well that locked it up tighter than a mouses ear. I had to edit the
    .CFG down to 36k before it would run again.  I guess a new version
    is to be released soon though.

-> I must admit that
-> I have been following the pros and cons of OCR's products and may
-> someday upgrade WCFF or switch tossers but not soon.

   I've had my rounds with them. But WM 3.1 is a pretty good product,
   something us WC'ers should have had a long time ago. The New
   WCFF should as good and a GREAT improvement over 3.51. I'm in the
   process now of trying their UUCP.


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From: STEVE GERWECK                          Number: 1462
  To: TIM HELTON                               Date: 12/21/93  8:49p
Subj: Moving South                            Refer: NONE
Read: 12/22/93  7:02p                       Private: No

t guess it's good on overseas
 > TB> calls ...
 > I noticed the first call at 4800.  The second came in at 14.4!  After
 > I get mine we'll be at either 16.8 or 19.2 whatever I get, or later
 > end up with.
Hopefully. ,-)

 > I get the Zyxel echo here & have other local nodes that have them, so
 > I should be able to tweak it quick.  But, I'm very interested in the
 > fax/voice features.
I can understand this - especially the fax feature is nice. ,-)

Ciao, Tobias
      [e-mail]

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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 1463
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/20/93  6:29p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hello All!

 > Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is duped
 > back to me the next day.  There is several dupes coming in
 > lately.  Seems like it started around 2 weeks ago.  Is it
 > possible someone has their tosser configured to do this to us.
 > Boyd got the netmail stuff fixed now lets find this dupe loop and
 > fix it.   P L E A S E

That is probably your meesage coming back at you. Your tosser needs some
tweeking. I had to really increase my dupe checks to take care of this sort of
thing.

TTYL
      Laz

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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1464
  To: BRIAN HESS                               Date: 12/21/93  3:30p
Subj: ZyXELnet                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BH> Hello Boyd!

 BH> Area ZYXELROM   0   !     ZyXELNET: ZYXEL Firmware
 BH> Area ZYXTEXT    0   !     ZyXELNET: ZyXEL Text Files
 BH> Area ZYXTOOL    0   !     ZYXELNET: ZyXEL 3rd Party Tools
 BH> ;                           Info File: ZYXELNET.*
 BH> ;            North America ZyXBONE HQ: Patrick Martin 1:102/825
 BH> ;                      Suggested Conf: ZYXEL (backbone)


 BH> could you PLEASE check your up link and make sure the
 BH> above is turn on...I have not received any files in the
 BH> above areas off the dish. I know some have been
 BH> released recently.... Let me know if need any more

I received several on the 20th, but not from the bird.  Actually, that's a
strange story.  In Z1, Patrick Martin delivers the stuff here, I send it to
John, and he sends it to Boyd.  Because I'm an uplink for this group feeding at
396/1, I can't pull 'em down from the bird.

In Zone 2, Manfred Schramm sends 'em to Jens Mueller, who in turn hits John.
The stuff I got came in via that path, which means that Boyd would have gotten
them as well.

There hasn't been much traffic in those groups, at least not in Z1.  It's
partially  due to the V.FC modems coming out.  It's also partially due to the
changeover in where the Z2 links come in.

Cheers


--- Maximus 2.01wb
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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1465
  To: MIKE PERKINS                             Date: 12/21/93  3:42p
Subj: Pcboard files on the file               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 MP> @SUBJECT:PCBoard Files on the Filekbone
 MP>              N Boyd,
 MP>    My name is Mike Perkins.  I'm half owner of the
 MP> MindLess One's BBS along with Frank Salerno who has us
 MP> singed up with you.  I'm wondering what it would take
 MP> to have PCBoard files from Mike Paschen added back on
 MP> the filebone?  I have seen some post on this and would
 MP> just like to add our two cents in favor of it.

Jens Mueller is pushing them that way now.



--- Maximus 2.01wb
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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1466
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/21/93  3:47p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> If I send it to 3615/50, and route via John, betcha it will -:)
 BG>
 BG>   Ok I admit. I was wrong. I did not know he had me set
 BG> up for my stuff to be inbound to me.

Actually, I have no idea what's in John's route control file.  But I did know
he had to have either a Route Hold or a Send Hold to 3615/50.  And knowing how
Squish works (actually every tosser is the same in this respect), I knew that
anything that hit him destined for 3615/50 would wind up going direct to you.

Live and learn.  We'll add a few more gray hairs yet -:)



--- Maximus 2.01wb
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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1467
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/20/93  2:58p
Subj: Re: 2400 baud connection                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

BG>    We have all 14400 v32.bis\42.bis modems on all 3 lines.
BG> The HST kind of started having a few problems.

Ouch!   Now I gotta visit Santa one mo time.

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1468
  To: SYSOP                                    Date: 12/21/93  1:55p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


In a message to Terry Blount <11-26-93 20:45> Sysop wrote:

Sy>  We are all getting them!  From GMD, every day, same messages
Sy>  repeated.
Sy>
Sy>  -Tim
Sy>   * Origin: National Shareware Library (tm)  (1:238/501)

Who are you??

By Using the Name SYSOP...
it makes it hard to REPLY to the Right person..

There are Thousands of other Sysop's who might think that a Reply to "SYSOP"
was intended for them?

Regards,
George Vandervort NEC NET382

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1469
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/21/93 11:04a
Subj: Sorting                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd!!

Say, I was wondering, would it be possible for you to
"segment" the data stream on the bird???

By this I mean, could you isolate the echo mail from say
the TIC files and when the echo mail has been transmitted
then send the signal to exit out and process???
Once that's done, then send up the tic stuff???

I ask this because it takes a lot longer to process all
the mail then it does the filebone stuff.

Thanks,
    Fred


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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 1470
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/21/93  7:26a
Subj: 2400 baud connection                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

TB>  I recently noticed that when I call to return mail I am no
TB> longer  getting a high speed connection  like I  did  in
TB> the  beginning.  Have you moved your HST modem to  another
TB> phone  number.

I got hit by the same thing; Boyd removed the HST and put a V.32bis in it's
place and I started connecting at only 2400.  I've since switched around here
to call him with a USR DS and all is back to normal.

-=- Craig.

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From: MARK ADKINS                            Number: 1471
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/21/93  2:33p
Subj: Re: routed netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Heck we can get you anything you need. But it is more excpensive
-> than the 3 foot thopugh.

Thanks Boyd. I knew it would be. I didn't expect a Christmas Special (although
that isn't a bad idea is it? <g>).

Merry Christmas to you and the rest of the crew there at Planet Systems.

--- DB 1.52-OS/2/001251
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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 1472
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/21/93 11:45a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Robert Hilgar scripted in a message to Roger Morris:

RH>         I just finished processing all the mail and feeding
RH> downlinks.         There where 29000+ messages and squish
RH> reported doing 3 per         second. It took over 2 hours!

How many FILES do you have in CONFIG.SYS?  Try 60 and a good cache and delayed
writes if your system can handle them.  (I run SmartDrive here!)  Also, run
your passthru areas Squish style and if you have the memory put them on a
ramdisk.  This end just took 27 minutes to toss/scan this morning's big drop
plus another 10 minutes to archive the outbound stuff.  The number of dupes you
track plays a major role, too.  I went from 1000 per area to 2 and dropped
about 10 msgs/sec.  And the more downlinks you have, the better the stats get.


RH> What am I doing  wrong? Are most of your areas passthrough?  Are
RH> you feeding downlinks?

The doing wrong part I don't know about (gryn!) but yes, I'm feeding downlinks
and most everything is passthru.  But I'm not currently getting the 183 stats.


   ... Remus ...


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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 1473
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/21/93 12:22p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount scripted in a message to Robert Hilgar:

TB>  If you set up a ram drive and uncompressed your mail
TB> bundles to  it  and then run "Squish in" on the uncompressed
TB> packets  your  speed  will triple at least.

You get the same results with a good cache if you preload it.  The mail packet
being read is only opened once.  Passthru dupe files are continuously opened,
rewritten, and closed.  Keeping them in a ramdisk will probably bump msg/sec
stats about 6 fold.  Let the cache handle the in and outbound .Pkt files and
locally kept message stuffs.  I backup all mail packets about to be tossed (by
COPYing them to a holding directory and thereby preloading the cache) and dump
write back cache before and after tossing.  When using a ramdisk, I copy the
tracking files off to hard drive and dump write back cache again before
starting archiving the outbound packets.


   ... Remus ...


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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 1474
  To: JOHN HERRBACH                            Date: 12/21/93 12:39p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Herrbach scripted in a message to Roger Morris:

JH> I thought I read that Squish has problems on fast machines,
JH> was it related to dupe checking?  I don't recall.

Think that was with one of the OS/2 betas, I'm not sure and haven't experienced
any problems at all other than the 16K message size limit which has been bumped
up in the later beta versions.


   ... Remus ...


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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1475
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/21/93  3:56p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Laz Gottli wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

LG> That is what I am looking at right now. It appeared the 2.04
LG> -ao seemed to be doing a lot of thinking before it started
LG> packing. I switched most of my downlinks back to 1.10 and I
LG> guess I will see what happens.

I think I will give this a try Laz, since speed is my ultimate goal at this
point. I tried Terry Blount's suggestion for using a ramdrive and that went
nicely. I set up 1meg disk cache also, but that didn't seem to make a bit of
difference even with buffers set at a low 10. I guess I need to read the
Hyperdisk doc's!
I hear that I should place a copy of command.com (4dos
in my case :-)) in there also and set a comspec variable and that will also
help. I will try that tomorrow.


                                Regards,
                                   Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1476
  To: JD BROWN                                 Date: 12/21/93  4:04p
Subj: Questions                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD Brown wrote in a message to Russell Naber:

JB>  Nope. Won't work under OS/2. OS/2 won't allow the dongle to
JB> speak to the  DOS session.

        I _HATE_ that stupid dongle. It makes me leave the printer on or
        unplugged. Thats not good. I am no programmer, so I don't know,
        but can't the Planet Connect software handle this internally
        like the copy of TVAGENT we are supposed to get does?
        Time crippling is done all the time with other software.
        Then, maybe it would work under OS/2 and make a lot of us happy!
        I would be a nice X-Mas gift for us subscribers! ;-)



Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1477
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/21/93  4:12p
Subj: Status fields                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

DO> One more thing.....

DO> What do the status fields indicate on the status display at
DO> the bottom of the screen?  Blocks, Errors, CB and Sz are
DO> self-evident, but the PHs, PBs, CBs and T??s are a little
DO> more difficult.

    When there are 3 charachters in the code, the middle one is used for
    Planet Connect's signal analysis.

    The left side charachters:
    A `T` means that the file is trashed and won't be wriiten to your HD,
    A `$` is for when the LD.LST is being received, a `N` means it
    didn't get the name of the file.

    The right side charachters:
    H,T and B - The header, trailer, or body block is being received,
    respectively.

    As for the `P` after a file is received, it means that the file was
    received properly and written to your HD.

    Wow, after all that, I wonder if I am right! :-)


                        Regards,
                           Robert

                           Ocean City, NJ - (Windy and Raining, but no
                           signal loss :-))

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1478
  To: SYSOP                                    Date: 12/21/93  4:24p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:


S> I got 29 _TODAY_!  Same ones that came through several days
S> ago... and several days before that!

   That's odd Tim, I didn't see any of those. The ones I see are
   properly placed in the PCSTATS area.

   BTW, Your message was FROM: SYSOP so I had to look in the nodelist to
   find who you were. Does your "_echomail_" always say from Sysop?


                                        Regards,
                                           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1479
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/21/93  4:30p
Subj: PC Usenet                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill Wolf wrote in a message to All:

BW> What software would i need to use to start tossing the
BW> usenet feeds into RemoteAccess?

You can use FRED19Q.* or WAF165.* freq'able from origin.
(listed nodes only)
Fred is nice, if you use it, then you can
use whatever tosser you are currently using to toss fido packets.

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1480
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/21/93  4:34p
Subj: ERROR BLOCK'S                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Fred Seibel wrote in a message to Tracy Mickley:

FS> I have mine grounded and sealed in a plastic bag.
FS> Then I put it in the bottom of a 5gal bucket.
FS> Covered it with 12 inches of dirt to make sure I
FS> had a GOOD earth ground and finished by filling
FS> the bucket with water!!!..

        WOW! Sounds like mine, except for the water part. I covered mine
        with cement. I'll be damned, I never get an error! <G>

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1481
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/21/93  4:40p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Glenn Caleval wrote in a message to JOE LYDA:

GC> includes the msgs you generated yourself. If you don't get
GC> them back from the bird, then none of the rest of us get
GC> them either. I actually like this particular dupe problem

I have dupe checking ON, I never see my messages repeated, but I ALWAYS get a
response.

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1482
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/21/93  4:49p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

TB>  if -%1==- goto jump
TB>  if exist \have\%1 goto gotit
TB>  pkunzip %1 f:\inbound
TB>  f:
TB>  cd\
TB>  squish in
TB>  c:
TB>  cd\files
 rem >  \have\%1
TB>  :gotit
TB>  del %1
TB>  :jump
TB>  if not  -%1==- goto end
TB>  for %%* in (00*.* ) do call %0 %%*
TB>  :end

I like the logic in your batch file. Thanks for the suggestion, IT WORKS WELL!

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1483
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/21/93  4:50p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Fred Seibel wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

FS> Bob,
FS>     What ya using ??
FS> I'm a 1.1 Wildcater, now using 3.55, but I too am looking
FS> for something better.

        Well there have been many suggestions in this echo to me, and I
        freq'd everyone's suggested BBS package, Proboard, RA, etc.
        I have set them all up and have concluded that MAXIMUS is the
        best for me, so that's what I'm using. It is incredibly
        flexible, (You can even do RIP) and it (version2.00) was written
        in 1991! Try it, you'll like it!


Regards,
           Robert

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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1484
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/21/93  1:35a
Subj: PC Test                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Someone please acknowledge that they received this message.

    Sorry, but I refuse to!


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1485
  To: BILL WALTON                              Date: 12/21/93  1:56a
Subj: missing some tics                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I am missing tic files for the following
->
-> CASEY101 SDN    306535 12-06-93   1:30a
-> SR_NET01 ZIP     62576 11-12-93   7:35a
-> M2GV020  EXE     40582 11-15-93   8:43p
-> RA2GV020 EXE     41470 11-15-93   8:43p
-> TG2GV020 EXE     41699 11-15-93   8:43p
-> F370_510 ZIP     24473 12-17-93  12:17a
-> MAPPER51 LZH    171008 12-10-93   9:48a
-> OCLN109  ZIP    304579 11-24-93  10:48a
-> WMAMGR   HLP     10286 11-17-93  10:52a
-> ARLK051  LZH      2014 12-10-93   5:31p
-> SPC1206  LZH      3232 12-10-93   5:31p
-> OPDX138  LZH      3220 12-10-93   5:31p
-> CONDO007 LZH      3769 12-10-93   5:31p
-> EZPKT_17 ZIP     63351 12-10-93   5:31p
-> HLOG222E EXE    350353 12-10-93   5:31p
-> WRITEL   ZIP    837466 12-10-93   5:31p
-> TIMEZ    ZIP     86682 12-10-93   5:31p
-> AMSAT338 LZH      2745 12-10-93   5:31p
-> COIL112  EXE     33660 12-10-93   5:31p
-> CPD381   ARJ      8769 12-10-93  11:09p
-> SEAL_030 ARJ    174145 12-11-93  12:55a

    If these are the files that came through on the 19th, I am missing
TIC's for 28 of them as well!


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1486
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/21/93  2:01a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    How come your not using WM with the built in Areamgr? Pissed
->    at Joe and the boys? :)

    How could that be possible? Good thing they write some darn good
code<G>!


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1487
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/21/93  2:03a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> There are a little under 2500......

    Hate to break this to you Greg, but I have been gating NewsGroups
for over 8 months now, and at last count, there were around 5,000
NewsGroups, and I believe the last figure I heard was around the
5,500'ish mark.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1488
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/21/93  2:51a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    I did not know that John had me in his routing statement. I notice
-> of those bad GMD messages floating thru here to 3615/51. They hit the
-> bit-bucket so I hope everyone is not getting any of them over the sat

I sent a test message thru 3615/50 addressed to 396/1 and he got it
without it going all over the globe as well.  That's what I meant when I
said I had sent a test message to John.  You sent it to him after your
sytem received it from me.  Routing through your system worked.

As to the GMD messages.  Didn't come in here.

--Martin--

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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 1489
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/21/93 10:37a
Subj: PC Test                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BW>Someone please acknowledge that they received this message.

Got you here Bill.

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From: GLYNN LITTLETON                        Number: 1490
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93  8:44a
Subj: PC without Mulitask                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

Is anyone using PC without using a multitasker/network?  My net
just purchased the satellite equip and we're now in the process
of setting up the computer.  We're trying to run it on a 386sx16
using DV but it appears this is not going to work as PC is
continually writting to the hd giving FrontDoor no chance, ie,
setting ticks 9 to 3 with FrontDoor in the foreground, it takes
about 30 rings before FD will even answer the phone :(

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Glynn

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From: EMMETT PERDUE                          Number: 1491
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93  9:57p
Subj: AREAFIX                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I hate to have to ask this question, but.....

Has anyone figured out how to make AREAFIX or Remote Echo Control (REC)
handle Planet Connect.

Here is the problem I have and I cannot seem to hit the correct config.
I recieve the entire backbone from PC, 1:3615/51..I must set up my
areas.bbs so that 1:3615/50 is who the replies go back to, ie:

AREA_TAG 1:3615/50 (nodes i am feeding)

I can not get areafix or REC to understand that I need them to see
1:3615/50 as MY feed (I think) and insert that address after the area
tag, but NOT say all messages are from 1:3615/50 and NOT try to send the
request on to 1:3615/50...but to just add them as pass thru areas.

I hope all this makes sense, and I know that someone, somewhere has
figured all of this out <G>. I would really like to see some configs for
AREAFIX or REC that is working. BTW, I am running FREEMAIL as a
tosser/scanner.

Emmett
   MegaMail 2.10 #905:A SPITFIRE Support BBS Since 1990
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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1492
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/22/93 10:18a
Subj: Re: Dupe Loop                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


In a message to Joe Lyda <12-20-93 15:16> Jeff Olesen wrote:
JO>  -> Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is duped
JO>  -> back to me the next day.  There is several dupes coming in
JO>  -> lately.  Seems like it started around 2 weeks ago.  Is it
JO>  -> possible someone has their tosser configured to do this to us.
JO>  -> Boyd got the netmail stuff fixed now lets find this dupe loop and
JO>  -> fix it. P L E A S E
JO>
JO>  Considering I've seen relatively few Dupes, I'd say your software is
JO>  failing to kill your own dupes that are coming back to you (as they JO>
should be).
JO>  Don't forget, you are sending them out as 1:3622/100 and getting them JO>
 back as 1:3615/51.

Hello Joe,

what you have described is the way a properly setup system should work,
as Jeff Olessen pointed out...

Your should be sending the Mail to 3615/50 with your Primary Node Number
and a Copy gets forwarded to the Star 1:396/1 and another copy is forwared on
to the rest of us via the Satellite, which you are connected to and receiving
your message back addressed to 3615/51, but your Mail processor is seeing your
primary node number in the Seenby's and correctly identifying it as a DUPE..

if you did not get your Own Message back as a Dupe in this Maner, then you
would have been doing something Wrong, like including your AKA (3615/51) in
the Seenbys and None of the Rest of us would ever see your Message...

The ONLY Problem I see that you may be having, is that your Mail processor
should be configured to Either, 1. Bit-Bucket all Dups, or 2.) save the Dupes
in a Dup Directory, and not process them on down the line..

But the Fact that your receiving your Own Messages back via the Satellite
indicates that your sending then out ok, and the rest of the backbone should
also be getting your message as original messages as intended.

Regards,
George Vandervort NEC Net382

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From: SERVO                                  Number: 1493
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/19/93 12:27a
Subj: Filemgr/Filebone.na                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


    Hi All. Just got our PC Sat up, and are in the midst of configuring.
I am trying to import the entire Filebone into my Filemgr with a passthru
status, and can't seem to make this work. Is there anyone out there running
Filemgr Gamma who can help? I have read that many are running allfix, but
since my messagebase format isn't supported, I don't think it's an option for
me. [I am running Synchronet BBS v1c if it matters] Thanks for any help!
                                                     John ¥
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From: JOHN KAUFMAN                           Number: 1494
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/21/93 11:28p
Subj: :)                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


    Hi. Just testing. So...uh.....TEST.
                                                 john
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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1495
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 12/22/93 10:33a
Subj: 2400 baud connection                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Craig Clark wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

CC> I got hit by the same thing; Boyd removed the HST and put a
CC> V.32bis in it's place and I started connecting at only 2400.
CC>  I've since switched around here to call him with a USR DS
CC> and all is back to normal.

You don't have an extra dual laying around you want to lend out do you? <grin>

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1496
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/21/93  9:58p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 20 18:22>, Jerry Dunlap writes:

 JD>I'm having alittle trouble connecting to the ISDN line as well,
 JD>Boyd. I'll see if Finney in Chattanooga is having the same
 JD>problem and if he is, we'll get Bell to look at your trunk group.

It's intermittant at this end.  About 1 out of 5 zip right through.  The rest
fail in various stages of timeout and hangups.  It's also interesting to note
that I get quite a few NO CONNECTs when trying to call him.

Analog calls work first time every time.

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1497
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/21/93 10:01p
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Greg, I'm not sure what your plans are for Skymail, but I'd like to make a
suggestion.

Today I got all but one file on the first pass... yeh, I'm amazed too.  Anyway,
those files were filebone files not mail.  One of the benefits of Skymail is
that it solves the miss-match tic/file problem created when some are received
and some aren't.  This is done by simply not doing anything with any of them
until they are ALL in.

Today, for some reason that one file didn't come thru error free until the end
of the third pass this evening, consequently none of the filebone stuff
processed.

If Skymail did a coorelation between FDN files and their associate Tic files
and allowed the received pairs to be passed on to the processor, these could
have been processed out much earlier.  Would that be something you might
consider adding as an option?  Say; "tick_match" which only moves something
from the skydata\inbound to the hold area and adds it to the index if the pair
is complete.

It's a thought.  :-)

Thanks

D.

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1498
  To: ROGER MORRIS                             Date: 12/22/93  3:02p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> You get the same results with a good cache if you preload it.  The ma
-> being read is only opened once.  Passthru dupe files are continuously
-> rewritten, and closed.  Keeping them in a ramdisk will probably bump
-> stats about 6 fold.  Let the cache handle the in and outbound .Pkt fi
-> locally kept message stuffs.  I backup all mail packets about to be t
-> COPYing them to a holding directory and thereby preloading the cache)
-> write back cache before and after tossing.  When using a ramdisk, I c
-> tracking files off to hard drive and dump write back cache again befo
-> starting archiving the outbound packets.
->
->
->    ... Remus ...

Could ya say that again in English???!!!      :)

And how much ram are we talking about???

I'm tossing the entire fidonet.na /.no.
I get about 14/sec now with a 3 meg hyperdisk.
I have to make up several complete duplicates of the
entire load. There are also about 4 more sets, with
less echos involved.
On a 386dx-40, it takes about 2.5 hours to toss and pack
all the stuff.

I'd sure like to increase the speed.

P.S., Have 8 megs of ram on that system.

Thanks,
Fred


--- WM v2.09/91-0063
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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1499
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/22/93  3:03p
Subj: Status fields                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->     As for the `P` after a file is received, it means that the file w
->     received properly and written to your HD.
->
->     Wow, after all that, I wonder if I am right! :-)
->
->
->                         Regards,
->                            Robert
->
->                            Ocean City, NJ - (Windy and Raining, but n
->                            signal loss :-))
->

YA BETTER BE!!!!   :)

Hi Bob!!
Fred here. I'm maybe 75 miles up the coast from ya in
"good 'ol Sayreville, NJ" !!!
Home of the GSP's biggest bridge.

Just printed out your explination and I will be putting it
by the PC system.

Thanks and HAVE A MERRY!!!

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1500
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/22/93  3:03p
Subj: ERROR BLOCK'S                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->         WOW! Sounds like mine, except for the water part. I covered m
->         with cement. I'll be damned, I never get an error! <G>
->
-> Regards,
->            Robert

Was gonna do the same, but if I have to mail it back for
some reason, I don't want to have to pay all that postage!! :)

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1501
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/22/93  2:56p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->         Well there have been many suggestions in this echo to me, and
->         freq'd everyone's suggested BBS package, Proboard, RA, etc.
->         I have set them all up and have concluded that MAXIMUS is the
->         best for me, so that's what I'm using. It is incredibly
->         flexible, (You can even do RIP) and it (version2.00) was writ
->         in 1991! Try it, you'll like it!
->
->
-> Regards,
->            Robert
->

Hmm...

Well, WildCat is supposed to be doing a few things in the next
version ( 4 ), that will speed things up.
May just wait and see.

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1502
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/22/93  2:58p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Okay folks, for anyone using the QuickBBS style AREAS.BBS file, you c
->
->  FREQ:  PCAREAS
->
-> This program will take a FIDONET.NA (or any ASCII file) and check it
-> your AREAS.BBS, adding any that aren't currently configured.  It will
-> them into the AREAS.BBS as 'P'assthru, adding the 1:3615/50 uplink!
->
-> Cheers, Chuck
->
->

Chuck,

    Do ya have something or know of something that will
add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??

Right now, the only way I know of is to do it by hand.

Anyone out there that can point me in the right direction???
I'm presently using TIC and RAID.

Thanks,
Fred


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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1503
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/22/93  7:54p
Subj: PTCCMAIN.EXE v1.20                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Hello Boyd,

Here's something to add to your TO-DO list, next time your looking at the
Code for PTCCMAIN.EXE

in the first Pulldown window , Status, Watch, View, Dos Shell, eXit

No biggy.. but when activating the Watch mode, you can Pause the Watch Mode,
but it stays on the Screen when you try to Exit the watch mode..
it would be a Nice Option to be able to re-display the Planet Connect Screen
when Exiting the Watch Mode.. instead of having to Exit PTCCMAIN..

Regards,
George Vandervort

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1504
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/22/93  4:30p
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >     Could ANYONE please reply to this. Just a test. I have seen my
 > users
 > get replies and I am now beginning to feel left out :-[

I'm a somebody, not an anybody...[grin]

You're making it all the way to Ottawa, Ontario in the great white north.

Regards



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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1505
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/22/93  4:34p
Subj: BBS SOFTWARE                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >>         Is ver1.10 really faster than 2.04?
 >
 >
 > That is what I am looking at right now. It appeared the 2.04 -ao
 > seemed to be doing a lot of thinking before it started packing. I
 > switched most of my downlinks back to 1.10 and I guess I will see
 > what happens.

I can't see why you'd be worried about a few seconds. The time spent using 204g
would be well recovered when the files are downloaded by your downlinks. To me
online time is more important that a few seconds lost while offline.

Regards



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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 1506
  To: RICK JOHNSTON                            Date: 12/22/93  5:41p
Subj: PC Usenet                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> What software would i need to use to start tossing the usenet
 >> feeds into RemoteAccess?


 >     you just need to wait three months or so...
 > They're working with Merlin software to create
 > something similar to PCBUUCP for RA systems, and it's
 > been announced that it will be ready by the end of
 > March...

Really?  Is this for PRO users only, or will it be available for shareware
systems as well?  This sounds great.

Thanks,
Bill

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From: MIKE PERKINS                           Number: 1507
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/22/93  6:14a
Subj: Re: pcboard files on the                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> The PCBOARD filebone areas are going over the sat.

OK, Thanks Boyd.  I like your setup alot.  I wish Rime would speed things up so
we could knock out the phone bill. -g-

Mike


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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 1508
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 12/22/93  4:55p
Subj: Fidopcb?                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JOYou've probably seen my other message by now Frank, but unless FIDO is the o
  FTN net you are carrying, you can't use FIDOPCB. I have it, registered, but

O.K., thanks for the info.  I saw your other post and was wondering what other
PCBoard sysops were using.  The InterPCB/Tosscan is slow.  I ran FidoPCB in its
shareware/demo mode (20 echoes) and like the way it went from packets to
PCBoard messages skipping the *.msg format.

 * 1st 1.10 #310s * Romulan warbird decloaking sir... ..[.... NO CARRIER


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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1509
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/22/93 11:35a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim Lajoie wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

-> There are a little under 2500......

TL>     Hate to break this to you Greg, but I have been gating
TL> NewsGroups for over 8 months now, and at last count, there
TL> were around 5,000 NewsGroups, and I believe the last figure
TL> I heard was around the 5,500'ish mark.

If you say so :)

[e-mail]

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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 1510
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/21/93  8:17p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Sean Peoples:

DO> I've looked at that.  The major problem with ISDN is the
DO> CONNECT 38400 or CONNECT 57600 messages.  2.50.EE didn't do
DO> a thing for it.  Binkley had some code with signed integer
DO> variables that put those connects in the negative and short
DO> circuited all error timing loops.  2.58 solved that problem.

Yeah, I can see why that would be a problem...:/

DO> I think the problem is with the ISDN itself and not the
DO> software, but the jury is still out.

Well good luck in solving the problem...

DO> Thanks, Happy Holidays

To you and yours also!

Later...

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1511
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/22/93  4:27p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I have dupe checking ON, I never see my messages repeated, but I
 > ALWAYS get a response.

I have it ON as well. I just direct the dupes to a Dupe Folder so I can be
aware of where the dupes are occurring. So I always *can* see them if I take
the time :-)

.glenn.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1512
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/22/93  4:30p
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Yes it was sent over the bird.....As for your FREQ, I did notice

It seems every time I find a problem I can trace its origin back to the guy on
this side of the monitor :-) I expect I neglected to set the Request flag on
those msgs BUT as it turns out I did get it off the bird and didn't realize I
had an autocreated directory where PCUtils are now sitting.

It runs on automatic so well that I don't check closely enough to see what's
going on :-)

Thanks for the reply and I will give Skymail a look.

Merry Christmas to you and yours,

.glenn.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1513
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/22/93  4:32p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > No he's not.  Besides the inevitable dupe, someone is sending
 > everything right back out with a new message id and everything.

I never noticed that here Todd. You mean specifically in the Planet Connect
echo?

I know there is a VFido system polluting a couple of other echos but I haven't
noticed any real flux of duplicates here. But again, I am not watching that
closely.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1514
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/22/93  4:34p
Subj: SupraFax                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Sounds like a port locking problem.  Check to see if all
 > software is set for a locked port and if the fossil driver is

I have no idea on this one. I reconnected the v32 to see if I could tweak it,
and made a run to PC to observe and it connected fine without me changing
anything. Maybe a case of unusual line conditions.

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From: LISA GRONKE                            Number: 1515
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/22/93  4:59p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Planet Connect has to broadcast "new" messages that you uplink via landline to
Tennessee. Else how would other satellite downlinks get them?

Your tosser should recognize them as dupes and discard them or send them to the
dupe area.


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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 1516
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/21/93 11:01p
Subj: NewsGroups                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> freq. The filename is NEWSGRPS.ZIP and was compiled on July 25, 1993.
-> This list contains 5,633 newsgroups.
->
-> Freq from origin, LISTED NODES ONLY!

Well, I just tried freq'ing the file.  My system connected to your, sent
the REQ file and then nothing....  no file sent back.

--Martin--

P.S.  I am a listed node.

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 1517
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/12/93  8:20p
Subj: Weather Maps                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > BG>    The new RIPPAINT does allow you to take a PCX file and convert it to
 > BG> icon right? I also heard that you can make that icon as big as you want
 > BG>
 > BG>    THis is just what I heard now folks.
 > BG>
 > BG> ...Boyd
 > Well it does try but the thing comes back and tells me that the
 > screen is too large and bombs out.  Any other rippers out there
 > that can do it please fill me in.

It works, Just have to make them smaller and join them.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 1518
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/12/93  8:22p
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > To delete undeliverable netmail is very much against policy and could
 > easily put your node number in the middle of a policy complaint.....If
 > you agree to route it then you also agree to return it if you cant.

I think it is more Do it at your own risk!  If you don't like that, go thru
your normal channels.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 1519
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/12/93  8:29p
Subj: Fancy Schnancy Netmail                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hello Boyd!

 > Those systems are at it again......

 > 3831/100, 229/15 and 271/27  routing two of these netmail 'round and
 > 'round the atmosphere........

 > Can they be stopped

Yep.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 1520
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 12/14/93  7:20a
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I passed on the files to another node here in my net, and he was able to
 > convert them from .BAG files to .PKT files as well, so we are ready!

Dave, What was the process needed to convert these.  ie.  Program name
required.

    Thanks.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1521
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/21/93  5:01p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Fred!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/20/93> Fred Seibel wrote:

FS> -> FS> This same system will be used when I am ready to accept
FS> -> FS> links to Rhub 13/24 (107/33).
FS> ->
FS> -> Fred could you put AREAFIX and your AREAFIX.CTL file where I can
FS> -> freq it for me.
FS> -> Joe
FS> ->

FS> Sorry for the delay in my answer.
FS> Will do soon as I  can. Will let ya know.
FS> If next year gets here and you haven't heard
FS> from me, YELL!!!

FS> Fred
No problem, mine is working fairly well but!

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Look Ma!  My first tagline....

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1522
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 12/21/93  5:03p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Randy!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/20/93> Randy Blackmond wrote:

RB>
RB>  JL> Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is duped
RB>  JL> back to me the next day.  There is several dupes coming in
RB>  JL> lately.  Seems like it started around 2 weeks ago.  Is it
RB>  JL> possible someone has their tosser configured to do this to us.

RB> My net just started receiving the sat. link not too long ago and this ver
RB> subject crossed my mind... It would seem these type of dupes are inherent
RB> impossible to avoid. If you send a message up to PC, you'd inevitably get
RB> back in the next sat. downlink since you're getting the same packets ever
RB> else is.. Think about it. My tosser detects and kills these dupe ring mes
RB> so I don't really have a problem with them. Doesn't cost me any more or l
RB> dollar-wise... Maybe an extra minute or so processing and a few more K of
RB> space used temporarily.

I understand that and am aware of what you are saying, however,
getting them back 3 and 4 times I do not understand.  It is no
big thing with me other than with the neighborhood of 16000
messages daily and several are lastweeks dupes does raise a
question in my mind.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Horn broke...watch for finger.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1523
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/21/93  5:07p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/20/93> Glenn Caleval wrote:

GC>  > Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is
GC>  > duped back to me the next day.
GC> ...
GC>  > fix it.   P L E A S E

GC> You're joking, right Joe? :-)

GC> In case you are not, here is the explanation. Every msg that you generate
GC> come back to you as a dupe. There is no other way for it to work. Your ms
GC> hits PC, it gets packaged with all the others and uplinked to the satelli
GC> You then downlink the mail from the satellite which, hopefully, includes
GC> msgs you generated yourself. If you don't get them back from the bird, th
GC> none of the rest of us get them either. I actually like this particular d
GC> problem because it makes for very easy tracking of outbound echomail volu
GC> and identification of any problems.

GC> .glenn.

I am fully aware that when I sens out some message(s) that the
tosser puts origin line on it and I will get them back as a new
message.  That does support several things here, like how long it
took etc, that I too like.  It is 3 or 4 times in a row I get the
same stuff back is what I am refering to.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * ... The Lean, Mean, Reading Machine...

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1524
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 12/21/93  5:13p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jeff!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/20/93> Jeff Olesen wrote:

JO> -> Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is duped back
JO> me
JO> -> the next day.  There is several dupes coming in
JO> -> lately.  Seems like it started around 2 weeks ago.  Is it
JO> -> possible someone has their tosser configured to do this to us.
JO> -> Boyd got the netmail stuff fixed now lets find this dupe loop and fix
JO> -> P L E A S E

JO> Considering I've seen relatively few Dupes, I'd say your software is fail
JO> to
JO> kill your own dupes that are coming back to you (as they should be). Don'
JO> forget, you are sending them out as 1:3622/100 and getting them back as
JO> 1:3615/51.

This I do understand and favor that.  I will look at things here
and see if I have goofed it up.  I have been known to boggle the
mind here before.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * WcEDIT - No Cholesterol! No Saturated fats!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1525
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 12/22/93  5:02p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Laz!

LG> That is probably your meesage coming back at you. Your tosser needs some
LG> tweeking. I had to really increase my dupe checks to take care of this so
LG> thing.

I did that on this end as well.   Will look at it futher though.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Coffee sweetened with NO-DOZ...Programmers petro!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1526
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/22/93  5:05p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jerry!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/21/93> Jerry Dunlap wrote:

JD>  > Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is
JD>  > duped
JD>  > back to me the next day.  There is several dupes coming in
JD>  > lately.  Seems like it started around 2 weeks ago.  Is it

JD> Every message that you write will come back to you as a dupe from now on.
JD> Since your mail bundles are identical to those that I recieve off the bir
JD> your messages have got to be in there for me to see them.  It's just one
JD> the necessary evils of this new technology.

JD> When are you guys going to get ISDN tested in Winchester?  I've been wait
JD> for you guys for months? <g>

When you gona tell me how much equipment will cost me to test it.

I could install it fairly soon if I could get the ball park on
initial cost.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Always assume the second try will be different.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1527
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/22/93  5:14p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/22/93> John Lyon wrote:

JL> -> Hello John!
JL> ->
JL> -> In a message to Joe Lyda <12/19/93> John Lyon wrote:
JL> ->
JL> -> JL>    I've seen that your wrestling with areafix and Gomail.
JL> -> JL>    How come your not using WM with the built in Areamgr? Pissed
JL> -> JL>    at Joe and the boys? :)
JL> ->
JL> -> Not at all pisses at them, in fact the only dealings with them is
JL> -> with WCFF 3.51 and it works very well for me now.

JL>     It's always worked for me too. But now that I'm tossing the entire
JL>     Filebone, it has a lot to be desired. It's a memory hog!
JL>     I have 620k available mem on the workstation that does the tics.
JL>     When I added the entire filebone the .CFG file grew to about 57k.
JL>     Well that locked it up tighter than a mouses ear. I had to edit the
JL>     .CFG down to 36k before it would run again.  I guess a new version
JL>     is to be released soon though.

JL> -> I must admit that
JL> -> I have been following the pros and cons of OCR's products and may
JL> -> someday upgrade WCFF or switch tossers but not soon.

JL>    I've had my rounds with them. But WM 3.1 is a pretty good product,
JL>    something us WC'ers should have had a long time ago. The New
JL>    WCFF should as good and a GREAT improvement over 3.51. I'm in the
JL>    process now of trying their UUCP.

I got MSI's UUCP and trying it.  Will evaluate theirs as well but
I am not goina get it for awhile.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Now diamonds AND AIDS are forever.

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From: DANA HUGGARD                           Number: 1528
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 12/21/93  6:25p
Subj: Re: usenet newsgroups                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message dated 20 Dec 93  19:29:35, Dan Williamson wrote:

 DW> Dana Huggard wrote in a message to All:

DH> Can anyone tellme what format the .bag format is on the
DH> newsgroups that come in?  Are these Fredgate format? Waffle

 DW> They are files that are the equivalent to a D.hakatac294 file. They
 DW> are the data that the X and C files Act on. Simply leaving out the
 DW> middleman and processing the data into usenet areas can be
 DW> accomplished by most of the PC echo to UNIX newsgroup convertors.

Interesting.. I was under the impression they where not in this format..

     I can use those.. (as I'm running AmigaUUCP), but the MS-DOS machines
cannot handle these filenames..  So I am not yet trusting this method of
recieving them through fidonet. I should speak with someone in my local net
here to find out more.. thank you.

Merry Christmas Dan.

Cheers,
Dana_H

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     Internet: [e-mail]

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From: DANA HUGGARD                           Number: 1529
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/22/93 12:00a
Subj: Re: UUCP                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message dated 20 Dec 93  20:17:02, Todd Lyons wrote:

[...]
 > I am not running it so don't know for sure, but if so, I would hate to
 > give up the .QWK and FidoNet for newsgroups.  I already get newsgroups
 > here but would prefer dish feed if the bandwidth will allow it, not if
 > it will take away from the current .QWK/FidoNet stuff coming through it.

By what method.. or what software do you use for your UUCP Todd?

Cheers,
Dana_H

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From: JOHN KAUFMAN                           Number: 1530
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93  8:41p
Subj: Re: internet .BAG files                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RE: Re: internet .BAG files
BY: Boyd Goodin to Dave James on Sun Dec 19 1993 11:42 pm

Hi - We just installed a 3ft KU here in Denver, and are wondering what it
takes to toss internet usegroup stuffs...Also - Where do I get whatever it
takes?
Also - My return mail to Boyd goes out to 1:3615/50 like it should, but the
packets want to originate from 1:3615/51...Is this correct? I am using Gecho
1.00 and have tried many things to try to get it to send from my 1:104/675
address with no luck?!?
AND - We are using Synchronet v1c rev2 as a BBS software, and was wondering
if anyone else out there was using the same software with a dish for future
comparison of notes :)
                                                 Thanks - John Kaufman
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From: JOHN KAUFMAN                           Number: 1531
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/22/93  8:54p
Subj: ERROR BLOCK'S                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RE: ERROR BLOCK'S
BY: Chris Wiesner to Todd Lyons on Sun Dec 19 1993 04:55 pm

 >
 >  >> The receiver is apparantly a sensitive little jasper and should be kept
 >  >> away from *any* possible EMF. If this keeps up I'll have to build a
 >  >> Faraday cage around it.
 >  >
 >  > FWIW, I have my receiver above two computers and below a monitor.  I
 >  > just don't get any errors.  I have the C band receiver.

    I have mine sitting atop a Sanusi Monster speaker...No errors here!
We are using the KU...                           john
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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 1532
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 12/22/93  9:02p
Subj: What's this?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TB> DO> HOLD          Not Recieved
TB> DO> HOLD1         Not Recieved

Tim they were in the UPLD.LST that day but had no files of that name were sent

TB> p.s. PCUTIL will log subdirectory names on every pass too...

And PCFU still does, and a whole lot more....

John....

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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 1533
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/23/93 12:29a
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RH>Tim wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:


RH>S> I got 29 _TODAY_!  Same ones that came through several days
RH>S> ago... and several days before that!

RH>   That's odd Tim, I didn't see any of those. The ones I see are
RH>   properly placed in the PCSTATS area.

RH>   BTW, Your message was FROM: SYSOP so I had to look in the nodelist to
RH>   find who you were. Does your "_echomail_" always say from Sysop?


RH>                                        Regards,
RH>                                           Robert
RH>

Sorry, I've been trying to get GEcho to use the right user address for
sending the reply mail back to PC and a forced rescan bumped this
message out from several weeks ago from a .msg folder.  Outbound mail
such as this one should normally automatically substitute my real
name... holler if it doesn't.  Haven't had that problem before and I
hope that I don't have it now.  I can appreciate not having echomail
addressed to sysop. <g>

-Tim

... oh, and I haven't seen those gmd messages for a couple of weeks
either...


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From: TIMOTHY WAGONER                        Number: 1534
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93  1:47a
Subj: Forward to???                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well, being new to this all, I am unsure of how to do a couple of
things. I have been told a couple of times, but Still don't understand.

I need to know, do I need to set a Route to? I would much prefer that
all my outbound go out to one system, and I assume that should be
3615/50 but not sure.

I run Dbridge and I currently took out my POLL to 3615/50 as I see no
need to call everyday unless there is mail to deliver. Should I set
Dbridge to Hold ALL and then just POLL or is there a way for it to only
call when there is outgoing mail?

Any help would be appreciated. Would it be possible for me to freq. a
config export of Dbridge from someone?

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From: JOHN MCCONNELL                         Number: 1535
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93  7:22a
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

hi im a new fido sysop and have had some some echos for over two weeks
now without a message one in them i talked to my nec about it and he
said it might be that some echos are not carried via planet connect if
that is the case could someone tell witch ones arent so i could drop
them and let my users know that those are not carried

thank you


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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1536
  To: RA SYSOPS                                Date: 12/23/93  3:21a
Subj: RAFN                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I've be corresponding with Reinier De.Groot who is the head of the Remote
Access File Network (RAFN) which originates in Zone 2. I thought you might like
to be updated with some optimistic news:

=====begin netmail EXCERPT=======

GC > can't hope to do the long distance required to pick up the
GC > areas from you, and would guess that's why there is no link now.

RDG> There is light in the distance. We probably will have a new
RDG> link again soon.

 > RADist, which was serving zone 1 has become a "membership
 > organization" and will not allow distribution via any means
 > other than long distance phone calls. So they have cut off a large
 > number of systems in areas like Saskatchewan.

Bad news....That won't be our policy.

======end netmail EXCERPT======

Basically Reinier says that they will restore a Zone 2 to Zone 1 link and when
they do, they will be glad to have RAFN on Planet Connect.

I again want to encourage everyone to correspond with any shareware authors
they know to let them know what FDNs are distributed on the satellite so that
they, the authors, can ensure they hatch into the FDNs that get their software
the best exposure. Don't assume they will know anything about any of this, but
write netmail and let them know. You are really helping them market their work
by doing so and most will appreciate the sentiment.

.glenn.

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1537
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/22/93  5:21p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ->    How come your not using WM with the built in Areamgr? Pissed
-> ->    at Joe and the boys? :)
->
->     How could that be possible? Good thing they write some darn good
-> code<G>!

    Hehehehe...I've seen some of your posts to them. :)


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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1538
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/22/93 12:10p
Subj: Re: 1st Transmit of the d               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 21 00:59>, Tim Lajoie writes:

 TL>Thanks for the update. BTW, am I correct to assume that at the start
 TL>of the NEW daily feed, the feed does NOT stop, and just switches over
 TL>from what is currently coming across and starts feeding the new info? If
 TL>so, what are the chances of getting the feed start fresh  so that we can
 TL>get an errol level and drop out, as we do with the repeats?

Boyd, I'd have to agree with Tim that it would be nice to have a clean start.
It is apparent that the final cycle doens't totally complete, the one I watched
<yawn> yesterday just stopped mid way of a file and after about 15 minutes of
dead time, started the new stuff.  Having that final cycle to exit and then
pick up fresh after the dead time would be nice.  Understandable that it may be
more difficult than it sounds.  :-)

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1539
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/22/93 12:41p
Subj: Status fields                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 21 16:12>, Robert Hilgar writes:

 RH>    Wow, after all that, I wonder if I am right! :-)

Whether you're right or not, it's one hell of a lot more than I knew before.

THANKS!

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1540
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 12/22/93 12:43p
Subj: What's this?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 21 22:56>, Tim Brown writes:

DO>What are the HOLD & HOLD1 files?  There were no where to be found in
DO>the download areas?  And they certainly would have shut down Tic
DO>processing as Skymail never would have reported all received.

 TB>Looks like 2 directory names to me! <G>

Could be.  They certainly constipated the pipes that day.  :-)

D.

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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 1541
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 12/22/93  9:11p
Subj: Questions                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave!

Sunday December 19 1993, Dave Sloan writes to Russell Naber:

 DS> In a msg on <Dec1912:37, Russell Naber of 1:15/24 writes:

 RN>> Is anybody running the Planet Connect software with OS2?

 DS> Doesn't work. They said that they were more interested in making a version
 DS> for unix rather then os/2. Seems like they have never heard of the gnu
 DS> compilers? Since most unix stuff has been converted to os/2 it should not
 DS> take long after they do the unix port to come up with an os/2 port. I
 DS> would do it for them, but I guess that I will just have to figure it out
 DS> on my own.

 DS> -+- msgedsq/2 2.1
 DS>  + Origin: Tech Talk Toll Wpg,MB(204)269-7373 HST/Dual (1:348/105)


Okay what about creating a event batch file the shutsdown os/2 to a dual boot
/dos and upon booting in dos the autoexec calls the batch file to run the
software for the satelite, when done it beboots into os2, checks a startup .cmd
and then finish's the mail tossing?




Russell

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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 1542
  To: JD BROWN                                 Date: 12/22/93  9:14p
Subj: Questions                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello JD!

Sunday December 19 1993, JD Brown writes to Russell Naber:

 JB> CIS: 72027,2432  Internet: [e-mail]   IBM LINK @
 JB> DEV0580

 RN>> Hello All!
 RN>>
 RN>>
 RN>> Is anybody running the Planet Connect software with OS2?
 RN>>
 RN>> If so can you netmail me with your phone number, I wish to contact
 RN>> somebody that can provide me with some before you buy advice.


 JB>  Nope. Won't work under OS/2. OS/2 won't allow the dongle to speak to the
 JB>  DOS session.




 JB> ___
 JB>  X KWQ/2 1.2a X Clinton - From a chicken in every pot, to a chicken who
 JB> smoked po

 JB> -+- Maximus/2 2.01wb
 JB>  + Origin: OS/2 Exchange (Home of EGGNET'S EC1, POLICY) (1:3622/1)

Okay what about creating a event batch file the shutsdown os/2 to a dual boot
/dos and upon booting in dos the autoexec calls the batch file to run the
software for the satelite, when done it beboots into os2, checks a startup .cmd
and then finish's the mail tossing?



Russell

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1543
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/22/93  6:14a
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->Hi Chuck,
->    Say, do ya have one that will automaticaly update
->the tic control file???

   Have you looked at RAID?  That is a filemanager like AreaFix, but
   it's for filenets.

   Chuck


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1544
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/22/93  6:53a
Subj: GEcho                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->Are there any programs or utilities that will scan the badecho folder and
->autoadd those areas in GEcho?

   I'm adding that to my program tonight hopefully.

->Or anything that will read in a fidonet.n? file, and autoadd those new areas
->into GEcho..

   I have written one that does it for QuickBBS style AREAS.BBS.  Give
   me some info on 'P'assthru's for GEcho and I'll add the code for it!

   Chuck

   p.s.  FREQ:  PCAREAS for the QuickBBS one!


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1545
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/22/93  6:58a
Subj: Ticks                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


->   Well I don't realy know what happened to all those ticks but I have taken
->precaution to not letting it happen again. From this day on you will be able
->get every tick you need by freq from 3615/51 a file that starts with the date
->of the ticks you want and ending in ZIP. Like if you missed some of todays
->(12-21-93) all you would have to do is freq 12-21-93.ZIP from this system and
->you will get it. I apologize for losing those tic files and I dont have them
->here. I hope this will insure a complete backup of all tics.

  Why not have that go out the next day on the SAT as well?

  Chuck


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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1546
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93  3:16p
Subj: Internet/Usenet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Everyone!

        I hope this is not off topic, if so, I appologize!
With the coming of USENET via the sattelite, many of us are interested in
learning more about the Internet and its workings. I have prepared this list
for anyone with such interests. Files below can be FREQ'd by LISTED NODES ONLY
via my origin line. There is a limit of 20 files and 3-Megs per day for all
KNOWN systems.

 ========================================================================
 USENET.TXT       3247  Notes on Usenet Newsgroups gated at 1:107/10
 UUCPHELP.TXT     6046  Help for using UUCP gateway at 1:1/31
 UUORIGIN.ARC    35875  A set of utilities to enhance usage of
                        the UFgate utilities
 U_INTRO.ZIP      6951  Intro to Usenet
 NEWSGRPS.ZIP   115692  List of UseNet Newsgroups
 BGI12.ZIP       91317  The Beginner's Guide to the Internet (DOS Only)
 BIG_DUMY.ZIP   121714  Big Dummies Guide to the Internet
 D_10INET.ZIP  1204089  The Desktop Internet Reference, 18,000
                        pages! (Needs Windows)
 EXPLORER.ZIP   223017  The Internet Explorers Toolkit.
                        Hypertext)
 FREENET.TXT      3550  List of Public Access Internet Sites
 FTP_MAN.ZIP      3144  A Beginners Guide to FTP
 INETARCH.ZIP     5699  Easy-to-understand explanation of
                        Internet's ARCHIE service.
 INETBASC.ZIP     7116  Internet Basics by Roy Tennant. Covers
                        the fundamentals.
 INETCONN.ZIP    17165  Places to call to get connected to the
                        Internet.
 INETFIND.ZIP     2390  How to find someone on the Internet.
 INETGLOS.ZIP    32955  Glossary of terms used on the Internet.
 INETGOLD.ZIP    17584  Finding informational resources on the
                        Internet. Good poop.
 INETGUID.ZIP    23057  "Hitchikers Guide to InterNet" explains
                        the InterNet system.
 INETINFO.ZIP     4296  General information on the Internet and
                        InterNIC.
 INETSERV.ZIP    14730  List of locations on Internet to get
                        files, data, lists, etc
 INETVOYG.ZIP    28190  The Internet Voyager - a guide to FTPing
                        on the Internet.
 INET_AG.ZIP     32464  Internet sources of data related to
                        farming & agriculture.
 INET_BIB.ZIP     4849  Bibliography of Internet materials.
                        Useful for beginners.
 INET_FYI.ZIP     4446  Index of Internet FYI documents. See my
                        message in file.
 INET_HUM.ZIP     4178  Availability of a humanities database on
                        the Internet.
 INET_LOC.ZIP    23060  Using the Internet to connect to the
                        Library of Congress.
 INET_NP.ZIP      7794  Writing letters to editors? Internet
                        addresses of newspapers
 INTERNET.FAQ    18573  The Fido "Internet" conference
                        frequently asked questions
 INTERNET.INS     6050  Instructions for using Internet gateway
                        at 1:1/31
 PDIAL010.ZIP    10833  Internet Public Dial Up list # 10
 ZEN&ART.ZIP    169379  Zen and the Art of the Internet
 INTERNET.RIP     7236  Internet Screen by George Ramos
 ALTPGPFQ.ZIP    47869  PGP Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ]
                        from Internet alt.pgp.security.
 WUUCP100.ZIP  1081446  WILDUUCP! v1.00 - Internet/FSTC Gateway for
                        WILDCAT! v3+
 HIHOTELN.ZIP   400013  A 2.xPM app that catalogs many Internet
                        resources.  If you have TCP/IP you can
                        telnet, ftp, gopher to these sites.
 IRC10G.ZIP      32513  IRC (Internet Relay Chat) client for
                        OS/2. IRC client for OS/2 allows you to
                        chat with other users, off of the
                        Internet, using an IRC server.
 IRC10H.ZIP      32742  IRC Client for OS/2 - allows you to run
                        off of an IRC server - V1.0h fixes bugs
                        when dealing with V2.8.X servers.
 GMSG406.ZIP     85234  GenMSG .MSG msgbase editor interface
                        with Internet/PGP support.

                                ENJOY!

                                        Regards,
                                                Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1547
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/23/93  7:16p
Subj: Status fields                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Fred Seibel wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

FS> Hi Bob!!
FS> Fred here. I'm maybe 75 miles up the coast from ya in
FS> "good 'ol Sayreville, NJ" !!!
FS> Home of the GSP's biggest bridge.

Wow! Planet Connect is making this a smaller world. That's not far at all.

FS> Just printed out your explination and I will be putting it
FS> by the PC system.

Hope it helps.

FS> Thanks and HAVE A MERRY!!!

        MERRY CHRISTMAS to you and yours also. Hey, don't forget to
        watch Howard Stern's New Years Eve Party on PPV!

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1548
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/23/93  7:19p
Subj: ERROR BLOCK'S                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Fred Seibel wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

FS> Was gonna do the same, but if I have to mail it back for
FS> some reason, I don't want to have to pay all that postage!!
FS> :)

Damn, I better get out the chisel just in case! ;-)


Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1549
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/23/93  7:21p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Fred Seibel wrote in a message to Chuck Warren:

FS>     Do ya have something or know of something that will
FS> add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??
FS> Right now, the only way I know of is to do it by hand.

If you had Squish areas (HINT), you would be able to use SEAL. With WC though,
I don't know.

Regards,
           Robert


  Subliminal message below:
  Use MAXIMUS Use MAXIMUS Use MAXIMUS Use MAXIMUS Use MAXIMUS Use MAXIMUS


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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1550
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 12/23/93  7:24p
Subj: PTCCMAIN.EXE v1.20                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

George Vandervort wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

GV> Regards,
GV> George Vandervort

Wow, this world is getting smaller by the day! You're the guy with the fancy
BinkleyTerm template. I saved it from a L O N G time ago. Remember.......
  Oops!  The Cat Drank up ALL of my BEER and I've gone to the store...
         try checking your Spelling and or Request "FILES" for a
         Current Available Files list.

                            _ _ /|
                            \'o.O'  Hic! Pffft! Meow!
                            =(___)=     //
                            |  U  | \   \\
      My MS/Dos Disk --->   | (*) |  \   >>
                            |__U__| /  \//    Beta-Tester for:
                            _// ||  _\  /     QuickBBS, 1EDIT,
                           (_/ (_| (___/      ShamPage Magic name SHAM
                                              QBEST 3.3, Name that TUNE Thank
you for your patience.                  GerbilNET NEC

George Vandervort, George Vandervort - QUICKPRO Moderator
Lounge Lizard's Retreat HST San Marcos, Tx, 1:382/8@Fidonet
DS-HST/V32bis/V42bis (33Mhz 486DX)

                                Regards,
                                           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1551
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/23/93  7:28p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Glenn Caleval wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

 > I have dupe checking ON, I never see my messages repeated, but I
 > ALWAYS get a response.

GC> I have it ON as well. I just direct the dupes to a Dupe
GC> Folder so I can be aware of where the dupes are occurring.
GC> So I always *can* see them if I take the time :-)

Oopps! I forgot, but have KILLDUPES enabled! I really don't enjoy reading the
same thing twice anyway. :-)

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1552
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/23/93  7:32p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Glenn Caleval wrote in a message to Todd Lyons:

GC> I know there is a VFido system polluting a couple of other
GC> echos but I haven't noticed any real flux of duplicates
GC> here. But again, I am not watching that closely.

I HATE that VBBS stuff. It made alot people capable of joining Fidonet without
knowing anything about it. It's like a disease!
Sorry, but I am entitled to my opinion.

I'm back on topic for now on, I just couldn't hold that back any longer.

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1553
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 12/23/93  7:36p
Subj: NewsGroups                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MARTIN BELCKE wrote in a message to ROBERT HILGAR:

-> freq. The filename is NEWSGRPS.ZIP and was compiled on July 25, 1993.
-> This list contains 5,633 newsgroups.
-> Freq from origin, LISTED NODES ONLY!

MB> Well, I just tried freq'ing the file.  My system connected
MB> to your, sent the REQ file and then nothing....  no file
MB> sent back.

I appologize for that Martin. I saw that happening. You had called during an
upcoming event and didn't have time for the DL. I am very sorry. I am sending
that file to your system right now. Let me open a window and do that...Done.
Let me know if you received it ok. Look in your inbound.


Regards,
           Robert

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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 1554
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 12/23/93 12:20a
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Randy!

RB> else is.. Think about it. My tosser detects and kills these dupe ring mes
RB> so I don't really have a problem with them. Doesn't cost me any more or l
RB> dollar-wise... Maybe an extra minute or so processing and a few more K of
RB> space used temporarily.

I have noticed the dupe loop problem on my end as well but my tosser
does not setect and kill them because they come back changed bearing
my origin line.  I am using Wildmail.  What are you using?  Thanks.

                                            ...Di

 * WCE 1.10/2184 * ... All true wisdom is found in taglines


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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 1555
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/23/93 12:26a
Subj: Merry Christmas!                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

Di's Online Cafe & Company wishes you all and your's a very Merry
Christmas and a Happy New year! :)

                                             ...Di

 * WCE 1.10/2184 * "We are Family"...my brothers, sisters and me....


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From: DEAN LAKE                              Number: 1556
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/23/93 10:45a
Subj: WCFF and Big Config's                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


JL}     It's always worked for me too. But now that I'm tossing the entire
JL}     Filebone, it has a lot to be desired. It's a memory hog!
JL}     I have 620k available mem on the workstation that does the tics.
JL}     When I added the entire filebone the .CFG file grew to about 57k.
JL}     Well that locked it up tighter than a mouses ear. I had to edit the
JL}     .CFG down to 36k before it would run again.  I guess a new version
JL}     is to be released soon though.

WCFF will also work well in conjunction with RAID.  You can use
the entire FILEBONE.NA in the Raid.cfg file, and let RAID
maintain the WCFF.CFG file.  Raid was designed to work with TIC,
but the only difference between the TIC.CFG and WCFF.CFG is the
IN vs. INFILES verb.  Raid updates the WCFF.CFG file and adds
file areas only as needed, and my WCFF.CFG has yet to hit 15K.
Latest version of RAID is 1.23 ....

JL}    I've had my rounds with them. But WM 3.1 is a pretty good product,
JL}    something us WC'ers should have had a long time ago. The New
JL}    WCFF should as good and a GREAT improvement over 3.51. I'm in the
JL}    process now of trying their UUCP.

WildUUCP is working very well here, even tosses faster than
WildMail.  Its been able to handle every type of Newsgroup packet
sent out by Boyd so far.  Only one small glitch found with the
message numbering when imported into WildCat, and OCR is aware of
the oversight.  Should be fixed soon.

Dean

 * WCE 1.10/2034 *


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From: LANCE TAYLOR-WARREN                    Number: 1557
  To: JOHN KAUFMAN                             Date: 12/23/93  7:25p
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

22 Dec 93 20:41, John Kaufman wrote to All:

 JK> Hi - We just installed a 3ft KU here in Denver, and are wondering
 JK> what it takes to toss internet usegroup stuffs...Also - Where do
 JK> I get whatever it takes? Also - My return mail to Boyd goes out
 JK> to 1:3615/50 like it should, but the packets want to originate
 JK> from 1:3615/51...Is this correct? I am using Gecho 1.00 and have
 JK> tried many things to try to get it to send from my
 JK> 1:104/675 address with no luck?!? AND - We are using Synchronet
 JK> v1c rev2 as a BBS software, and was wondering if anyone else out
 JK> there was using the same software with a dish for future
 JK>  comparison of notes :)

to process the .bag files you need fredgate/gigo/waffle or something that will
handle that format.  If you setup your system to show your return mail as being
originating on 3615/51 nothing you submit will ever get to anyone that uses
Planet connect as their only method of reception (read most everyone in this
echo). Just process messages as you 104/675 address and send them to 3615/50 if
3615/50 has not already seen them. Sorry, no experience with Synchronet...

Lance

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From: BRUCE BAUGH                            Number: 1558
  To: JOHN KAUFMAN                             Date: 12/23/93  5:32p
Subj: :)                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Once upon a midnight dreary (fa la la la la la la la la),
while I pondered weak and weary (fa la la la la la la la la),
I heard John address the topic of ":)" thusly:

 JK>     Hi. Just testing. So...uh.....TEST.

Please show all work. You have thirty minutes. Do not begin writing until the
proctor gives you permission, or you will be dipped in honey, fed to a Bengal
tiger, and presented to the world as the real Michael Jackson.

Thank you for your timely cooperation.

Bruce

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1559
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/23/93  8:58p
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

DO> Greg, I'm not sure what your plans are for Skymail, but I'd
DO> like to make a suggestion.

I dont have any plans for it.....I didnt write it :)

DO> Today I got all but one file on the first pass... yeh, I'm
DO> amazed too.

Hmmmm, its rare that I dont get them all in one pass.....

DO> If Skymail did a coorelation between FDN files and their
DO> associate Tic files and allowed the received pairs to be
DO> passed on to the processor, these could have been processed
DO> out much earlier.  Would that be something you might
DO> consider adding as an option?  Say; "tick_match" which only
DO> moves something from the skydata\inbound to the hold area
DO> and adds it to the index if the pair is complete.

I dunno.....you might ask Ed Ivey.....

[e-mail]

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1560
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/23/93  5:54p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > GC>  > Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is
 > GC>  > duped back to me the next day.

 > GC> You're joking, right Joe? :-)

I hope you didn't take my response as a nasty. I actually thought you might be
humourously confirming things were working well for you. My own kind of humour
:-)

 > took etc, that I too like.  It is 3 or 4 times in a row I get
 > the same stuff back is what I am refering to.

I haven't had the problem so I wouldn't be able to be real sure what might be
causing it. Is it possible that you or a downlink is still feeding echomail
into the land lines as well as up to 3615/50? That would generate a dupe loop
and depending on other factors could create a "revolving door" where the same
msg just runs around in circles until someone notices and breaks its back. I've
seen that a number of times in land line based closed topologies. Someone had
one msg circling Western Canada for about two weeks before a hub noticed and
blew a fuse :-)

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1561
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/23/93  9:15p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ->Hi Chuck,
-> ->    Say, do ya have one that will automaticaly update
-> ->the tic control file???
->
->    Have you looked at RAID?  That is a filemanager like AreaFix, but
->    it's for filenets.
->
->    Chuck
->

We are using that.

Burt Juda, the NC of 107 helped me set it up.
But we don't seem to be able to get it to do that.
Guess I'll have to read the "book"!!   <:)
Thanks,
Fred


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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 1562
  To: JOHN KAUFMAN                             Date: 12/23/93  6:50p
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Also - My return mail to Boyd goes out to 1:3615/50 like it should, but

Yes that is correct.

 > packets want to originate from 1:3615/51...Is this correct? I am using
 > Gecho 1.00 and have tried many things to try to get it to send
 > from my 1:104/675

You only use 3615/51 in your AKA in Gecho not in your front end or even your
BBS. Make sure your origin line in Gecho is from 104/675 or you will cause a
lot of problems.

Hope this helps..

TTYL
      Laz

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1563
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/23/93  5:41p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


DO> JD>I'm having alittle trouble connecting to the ISDN line as well,
DO> JD>Boyd. I'll see if Finney in Chattanooga is having the same
DO> JD>problem and if he is, we'll get Bell to look at your trunk group.

DO>It's intermittant at this end.  About 1 out of 5 zip right
DO>through.  The rest fail in various stages of timeout and
DO>hangups.  It's also interesting to note that I get quite a
DO>few NO CONNECTs when trying to call him.

DO>Analog calls work first time every time.

Sounds more like a D'Bridge problem than an ISDN problem.  No one else in the
ISDN project seems to be having that kind of problem.   Boyd will have to start
using the ISDN node alot more starting next week when he is getting the
Internet stuff. Maybe this frequent use will show us his problem areas.  Maybe
we should move this to to ISDN area. <g>

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1564
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/23/93  9:40p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JL>JD> When are you guys going to get ISDN tested in Winchester?  I've been
JL>wait
JL>JD> for you guys for months? <g>

JL>When you gona tell me how much equipment will cost me to test
JL>it.

I can loan you at least one unit for a couple of months for testing.  How's
that?  Installation from Bell is FREE.  What else can I do for you?

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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 1565
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/18/93  8:26a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RH>Antonio Riveros wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:
RH>
RH>AR>   I am using Wildcat 3.90.  I use wildmail to toss echomail,
RH>
RH>But will it let you set up over 7,000 areas? This is what it will come dow
RH>when Boyd feeds us the Newsgroups. And is it fast for the 666 (nice number
RH>fido areas we now have? Is there a built in QWK mail function or a door th
RH>will let you have this many areas?
RHy>Once, a long time ago, I considered using Wildcat and the reason I


Robert,

We have also been using wildcat but Tossing has been way to slow over
here. Like it takes just about a half a day to toss everything that Boyd
sends down and that is on a 486-33 with enough cache to make even a
turtle run faster.

I'll be trying PCBoard next, Hope we'll be having better luck with that
Program..

BTW Wildcat/Wildmail and sortpacket has been really messing up my
message base on a completely random basis and sortpacket has not been to
forgiving since it deletes all the packets it sorts and leaves you with
something pretty unusable if it hangs. The only reply I got back from
the programmers was that I should not run Wildmail under desqview. Sure
tell me some more chrismas stories.

TTYL

Jacobo
 ■ JFO ■ 33mHz ain't fast enough!


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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1566
  To: JOHN KAUFMAN                             Date: 12/22/93 10:01p
Subj: Re: internet .BAG files                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John,

 > Also - My return mail to Boyd goes out to 1:3615/50 like it
 > should, but the
 > packets want to originate from 1:3615/51...Is this correct? I
 > am using Gecho
 > 1.00 and have tried many things to try to get it to send from
 > my 1:104/675
 > address with no luck?!?

The way you have it setup should work OK, but if it bothers you, try this..
Go into Gsetup and take out the 1:3615/51 AKA, point Gecho's secure inbound
path to your Sat. toss directory (it will then not check pkt destination) and
it will bundle mail from you other Z1 address.

If your setup will not allow you to point GE to the sat. as a secure inbound,
go into the AKA matching and force your 1:104/675 address to be matched with
1:3615/50

John

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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1567
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 12/22/93 10:03p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim,
* In a message originally to Robert Hilgar, Tim Brown said:

 > RH>Tim wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:


 > RH>S> I got 29 _TODAY_!  Same ones that came through several days
 > RH>S> ago... and several days before that!

 > RH>   That's odd Tim, I didn't see any of those. The ones I see are
 > RH>   properly placed in the PCSTATS area.

 > RH>   BTW, Your message was FROM: SYSOP so I had to look in the nodelist to
 > RH>   find who you were. Does your "_echomail_" always say from Sysop?


See my other message reguarding GE's setup, if you have any other problems let
me know.

John

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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1568
  To: GLYNN LITTLETON                          Date: 12/22/93 10:07p
Subj: PC without Mulitask                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to All, Glynn Littleton said:

 > Hello All!

 > Is anyone using PC without using a multitasker/network?  My
 > net
 > just purchased the satellite equip and we're now in the
 > process
 > of setting up the computer.  We're trying to run it on a
 > 386sx16
 > using DV but it appears this is not going to work as PC is
 > continually writting to the hd giving FrontDoor no chance,
 > ie,
 > setting ticks 9 to 3 with FrontDoor in the foreground, it
 > takes
 > about 30 rings before FD will even answer the phone :(

Hopefully you have the PC connected to a 16550 UART, lock the port for the PC
machine, with the recieve buffer at 8k.  And install a GOOD delayed write
cache.

John

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 1569
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/23/93  9:14p
Subj: 2400 baud connection                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount wrote in a message to Craig Clark:

TB> You don't have an extra dual laying around you want to lend
TB> out do you? <grin>

Not exactly, but I did just upgrade my old HST to a Dual Standard.  A guy in
Conneticut is selling the upgrades for $150.  I know you can buy a no-name
v.32bis for about that price, and even some of the brand names are well under
$300 with sysop deals, but I'm sold on US Robotics.

We've got two lines now, one with an US Robotics DS/PC and one with an Intel
14.4EX.  We hope to add a third line next year, so I'm saving the converted HST
(now a DS) for that one.

-=- Craig.

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From: JERRY RUSSELL                          Number: 1570
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/22/93  2:19p
Subj: ECHOS                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, How about setting up some PC specific ECHOS one for each BBS type. These
Echos would only be on the SAT. and would be BBS (software, TBBS, RA, PCBOARD
etc.) specific. I'd like to exchange Ideas Tips and tricks with the other BBS's
of the same gender.
 They could all have a PC prefix to set make them different from any on the
backbone now ( PC_TBBS, PC_RA, PC_PCB, etc.)
 I'm sure it would lighten the message traffic here and help keep this Echo
focused on PC things !
  How about it, Pretty Please !!!

 Regards,
 Jerry


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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1571
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 12/23/93  9:40p
Subj: Re: Dupe Loop                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello George!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/22/93> George Vandervort wrote:

GV>
GV> In a message to Joe Lyda <12-20-93 15:16> Jeff Olesen wrote:
GV> JO>  -> Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is duped
GV> JO>  -> back to me the next day.  There is several dupes coming in
GV> JO>  -> lately.  Seems like it started around 2 weeks ago.  Is it
GV> JO>  -> possible someone has their tosser configured to do this to us.
GV> JO>  -> Boyd got the netmail stuff fixed now lets find this dupe loop and
GV> JO>  -> fix it. P L E A S E
GV> JO>

GV> But the Fact that your receiving your Own Messages back via the Satellite
GV> indicates that your sending then out ok, and the rest of the backbone sho
GV> also be getting your message as original messages as intended.

I fully agree that I should see my sent out mail return.  But
what I am seeing is it return several times.  Not just my mail
but in several echos it is being repeated several times, 3 and 4
times I see the same message with nothing changed.  I am aware
that my tosser can weed them out and not toss them or what ever
elce it has capibility of doing.
If I never saw my message return then I would be greately
concerned and dig into my tosser to see what was wrong.
There is a dupe loop which adds to processing time and all that
good stuff.  It may be one of my down links that is sending the
stuff back to me and the AKA 3615/51 is preventing it from being
sent back to 3615/50.  I purge my message base daily of dupes,
deleted messages, and over the limit messages.  I suppose I can
turn on the seen by lines and let them be tossed into my message
base and see where the loop is coming from.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Don't blame me! I just wrote the thing!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1572
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 12/23/93 10:01p
Subj: Weather Maps                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tim!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/12/93> Tim Jacobs wrote:

TJ>  > BG>    The new RIPPAINT does allow you to take a PCX file and convert
TJ>  > BG> icon right? I also heard that you can make that icon as big as you
TJ>  > BG>
TJ>  > BG>    THis is just what I heard now folks.
TJ>  > BG>
TJ>  > BG> ...Boyd
TJ>  > Well it does try but the thing comes back and tells me that the
TJ>  > screen is too large and bombs out.  Any other rippers out there
TJ>  > that can do it please fill me in.

TJ> It works, Just have to make them smaller and join them.

This I have found out, however, they stil have to be downloaded
by the user to view them so why bother.  I would like to see them
converted to RIP format so no downloading would be necessary.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Hardware: The part you kick.

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From: DANIEL COULOMBE                        Number: 1573
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 12/23/93 12:02a
Subj: .tic files                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Need some .tic files for the following... do you still have them? Can
-> you put them on hold for me???

The TIC files corresponding to the exact same entries you listed were
missing for me too!... I guess they missed the boat!
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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 1574
  To: RUSSELL NABER                            Date: 12/23/93 11:26p
Subj: Questions                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec2323:26, Russell Naber of 1:15/24 writes:

 RN> Okay what about creating a event batch file the shutsdown os/2 to
 RN> a dual boot /dos and upon booting in dos the autoexec calls
 RN> the batch file to run the software for the satelite, when
 RN> done it beboots into os2, checks a startup .cmd and then
 RN> finish's the mail tossing?
To easy - just us the setboot command. Unfortunately while os/2 is operating
you miss any packets that need retransmission. I use a cheap PC to receive and
send the messages over to my OS/2 system. The PC was less then one of these
fancy serial cards. Works flawlessly! P.S. you only need the 16550 for
receiving. The 16450 does the trick for dsz to send it to the OS/2 system as
long as the 16550 resides on the OS/2 receiving system. I run 38400 to the OS/2
system.

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 1575
  To: FRANK SALERNO                            Date: 12/23/93 11:37p
Subj: Happy holidays                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec2323:37, Frank Salerno of 1:129/161 writes:

 FS> TL    Could ANYONE please reply to this. Just a test. I have seen
 FS> my users   get replies and I am now beginning to feel left
 FS> out :-[
OK - Merry Christmas...

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From: ED IVEY                                Number: 1576
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 12/23/93 10:32a
Subj: SKYMAIL V1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > GS> @ It optionally moves MAIL bundles and OTHER files to separate
 > dirs
 >
 > Sounds like a winner... but does it "MOVE" files rather than copy
 > them
 > That has been one of my biggest challenges with PCUTIL.  It copies
 > every
 > file first and adds them to check.idx, then goes back and deletes
 > them
 > requiring double the space on the drive just to _move_ them to a
 > different directory!  I _move_ my incoming fido files to a hold

It Copies & Deletes each file "One at a time". It does not copy all then delete
all. Show me some TP code to do a "move" & I'll gladly implement it!

                                                Ed


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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 1577
  To: DIANE SUMMERS                            Date: 12/24/93  6:09p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: 1554
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> I have noticed the dupe loop problem on my end as well but my tosser
-> does not setect and kill them because they come back changed bearing
-> my origin line.  I am using Wildmail.  What are you using?  Thanks.

In Wildmail's setup, there's an option for "Duplicate Messages"... This
number represents the number of messages that Wildmail remembers when
checking for dupes.

The number you specify must be quasi-calculated.  Let's say that you
have 100 conferences getting a total of 1000 messages/day.  If you
want to check for dupes going back one week, set this number to
7000 (1000*7)... It's usually not necessary to save more than a week's
worth of dupes.

tim
moderator
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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 1578
  To: JOHN JOHNSON                             Date: 12/24/93  8:47p
Subj: Re: internet .BAG files                 Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

JJ>John,

JJ> > Also - My return mail to Boyd goes out to 1:3615/50 like it
JJ> > should, but the
JJ> > packets want to originate from 1:3615/51...Is this correct? I
JJ> > am using Gecho
JJ> > 1.00 and have tried many things to try to get it to send from
JJ> > my 1:104/675
JJ> > address with no luck?!?

JJ>The way you have it setup should work OK, but if it bothers you, try
JJ>this..

JJ>Go into Gsetup and take out the 1:3615/51 AKA, point Gecho's secure
JJ>inbound path  to your Sat. toss directory (it will then not check pkt
JJ>destination) and it will bundle mail from you other Z1 address.

JJ>If your setup will not allow you to point GE to the sat. as a secure
JJ>inbound, go into the AKA matching and force your 1:104/675 address to
JJ>be matched with 1:3615/50

JJ>John

JJ>--- GEcho 1.02/beta+
JJ> * Origin: Panther BBS *Wichita Ks* (1:291/11)

John, I have had this very same problem... the packets are fine... but
when GEcho writes the Arcmail message it uses 3615/51 for the
originating address!  ...and 3615/51 isn't in the connections... nor my
mailer... only in the GEcho AKA!

I have posted numerous posts regarding this problem in the GECHO_HELP
forum, mostly gone unanswered except one smarty chastising me for
complaining about the lack of GEcho support!  To date the only way I
have been able to get around this problem is create a username ARCMAIL
and send out the packet from ARCMAIL manually using the correct AKA and
deleting the one that shows from ARCMAIL 1:3615/51.

I will try your suggestions...  will let you know the results.  I was
terribly happy with GEcho till I hooked up with PC.  I would replace it
in a minute... and would have already if the new InterEcho had hub
support in it's current version.  I know that there I _WILL_ get
support.

-Tim


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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1579
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 12/23/93  9:55p
Subj: SkyMail v1.0                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 21 01:47>, Greg Shaffer writes:

DO> I am wondering one thing.  From your batch file examples you
DO> actually load the network drivers, etc after skymail decides
DO> there is something to move.

 GS>Thats due to a specific problem with my system.....it seems that
 GS>PTCCMAIN cannot find the dongle about 90% of the time when the
 GS>low level drivers for my network are loaded.

Ok, makes sense and I also found I had to do the same thing here.  With the
network stuff loaded, anytime one of the workstations or server loaded and ran
REDIR, PTCCMAIN would lock up even though the workstation wasn't logged on.
Seems that anytime a name search is done on the network, every REDIR on the
wire stops and sayes, "Huh?  Not me!" just long enought to overrun the FIFO.

 GS>If you are having problems not getting them all after 5 or 6
 GS>repeats then you need to rethink your dish setup.....I usually
 GS>have them all after the 1st run and it -never- takes over 2
 GS>passes.

So far the average has been 2 to 3 passes.  After making the network changes,
the error incidents have dropped greatly.  I'm going to get one of my local
TVRO people to help me fine tune the dish.

Merry Christmas

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1580
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/23/93 10:11p
Subj: PTCCMAIN.EXE v1.20                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 22 19:54>, George Vandervort writes:

 GV>Here's something to add to your TO-DO list, next time your looking at the
 GV>Code for PTCCMAIN.EXE

I'll add something to the wish list as well.  :-)

A means of manually forcing an errorlevel 100 exit for time when PTCCMAIN
doesn't on it's own.

Also an optional log file that makes a one line entry for each file received
indicating dat/time/filename/size/status/errors, etc.  It would sure help to
debug this thing.

If no incoming blocks are sensed for several minutes, the Uart is reset.

...like I said, wish list stuff.  :-)

Merry Christmas to all y'all.

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1581
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/23/93 10:18p
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Not sure if anyone else saw this today or not.  If it was just me, then I've
got problems.  <sigh>

PT exited after cycle completion at about 0740 cst this morning.  It then
proceeded to go though at least two cycles without ever exiting.  At about
1500cst I called Jim to see if it was me or there was an actual problem.  He
said he'd check and let me know.  I never heard back but at 1600cst, it exited
on it's own.  I have thought it might have skipped exits before, but couldn't
very it.  This time I watched at least two cycles of the same files come down.

Is the exit signal part of a file?  A filename? Or some sort of control signal
on the link?  Is it easy to miss or possibly error out?

Also, I've got about 26 orphaned Tic files left over.  They were also listed on
the UPLD.LST, so something happened between you and the uplink.  Luckily, they
were not anything I pass on so no great loss.

Merry Christmas.... remember, that's a holiday.  :-)

D.


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1582
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 12/24/93  7:14a
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> You're making it all the way to Ottawa, Ontario in the great white no

    Gee, thats not bad. Sault Ste. Marie to Ottawa, I guess it will go
anywhere<G>!


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1583
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/24/93 11:54p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    Do ya have something or know of something that will
->add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??

  I personally use AllFix, but will try to work it up for Tick as well.
  Once I get some info on AllFix structures (?) then I will proceed.

  Merry Xmas

  Chuck


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1584
  To: EMMETT PERDUE                            Date: 12/25/93 12:15a
Subj: AREAFIX                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->I hate to have to ask this question, but.....

->Has anyone figured out how to make AREAFIX or Remote Echo Control (REC)
->handle Planet Connect.

  Well, I wrote a program: PCAREAS.ZIP (FREQ: PCAREAS) that will add
  them to the AREAS.BBS if they're not there already.

->Here is the problem I have and I cannot seem to hit the correct config.
->I recieve the entire backbone from PC, 1:3615/51..I must set up my
->areas.bbs so that 1:3615/50 is who the replies go back to, ie:

->AREA_TAG 1:3615/50 (nodes i am feeding)

  What about a conference # or P in column 1?

  Chuck


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From: RANDY BLACKMOND                        Number: 1585
  To: DIANE SUMMERS                            Date: 12/24/93 12:36p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 DS> I have noticed the dupe loop problem on my end as well but my tosser
 DS> does not setect and kill them because they come back changed bearing
 DS> my origin line.  I am using Wildmail.  What are you using?  Thanks.

I'm using IMail 1.40G2. I'm feeding over 20 downlinks with it and haven't had
any problems with dupes of any kind that I'm aware of. If you're interested,
you can FReq the IMail package from me here at 1:381/70. Info follows:

IM140G2.ZIP    572893 bytes  Main IMail package
IMUTL090.ZIP    91824 bytes  IMail utilities

I'm running on a USR 14.4 Sportster with V.32 so if you have V.32 you can
get a high speed connect... Oh, and ignore the absence of the CM flag in
this week's nodelist.. It's erroneous. You can Freq 24 hours a day!

Good luck!

--- GoldED 2.40
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From: RANDY BLACKMOND                        Number: 1586
  To: DIANE SUMMERS                            Date: 12/24/93  1:39p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 RB> IMUTL090.ZIP    91824 bytes  IMail utilities

Sorry, forget about that file... It's not IMail utilities... It's InterMail
utilities.. Just freq the other one.

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1587
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/24/93  9:50p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Fred!

22 Dec 93, Fred Seibel writes to Chuck Warren:

 FS>     Do ya have something or know of something that will
 FS> add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??
 FS> Right now, the only way I know of is to do it by hand.
 FS> Anyone out there that can point me in the right direction???
 FS> I'm presently using TIC and RAID.

run: "RAID AUTOCREATE"  before Tick gets ahold of the files.

Dennis

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1588
  To: JOHN KAUFMAN                             Date: 12/24/93 10:56a
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Wednesday December 22 1993, John Kaufman writes to All:

Hello John!

 JK> Hi - We just installed a 3ft KU here in Denver, and are wondering what it
 JK> takes to toss internet usegroup stuffs...Also - Where do I get whatever it
 JK> takes?

fredgate is a good piece of software to gate the uucp message to fido-style
message format.  and you'll have to find your own gate back into the internet
for your replies.  OUr net has an amiga which has its software for that and for
ibm class machines, waffle bbs can gate back in.(but man is it ever a bitch to
set up)

 JK> Also - My return mail to Boyd goes out to 1:3615/50 like it should, but
 JK> the packets want to originate from 1:3615/51...Is this correct?

no. your originating replies should come from YOUR system address(104/645). you
only need to have 3615/51 in your mail tosser as an aka so that the mail off
the satellite will get tossed, but definately do NOT ADD 3615/51 to the seen
by's or anything.

 JK> I am using
 JK> Gecho 1.00 and have tried many things to try to get it to send from my
 JK> 1:104/675 address with no luck?!?

i use squish for my mail tossing..cant help you there
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Friday December 24 1993

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From: FRANK SENER                            Number: 1589
  To: JOHN KAUFMAN                             Date: 12/24/93 12:47p
Subj: Using Synchronet                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RE: Re: internet .BAG files
BY: John Kaufman on Wed Dec 22 1993 11:41 pm

 > AND - We are using Synchronet v1c rev2 as a BBS software, and was wondering
 > if anyone else out there was using the same software with a dish for future
 > comparison of notes :)
 >                                                  Thanks - John Kaufman

John,
     We are using Synchronet with the Planet Connect Dish, but using Freemail
     instead of Gecho. I use a completely different Freemail config files and
     a different Areas.BBS file when I toss the packets from the satellite.
     Its been working good since Oct. but I am only using about half the
     Fido message bases right now.

     Frank
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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1590
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/23/93  6:44p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNEC               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
-> JL>    I've had my rounds with them. But WM 3.1 is a pretty good prod
-> JL>    something us WC'ers should have had a long time ago. The New
-> JL>    WCFF should as good and a GREAT improvement over 3.51. I'm in
-> JL>    process now of trying their UUCP.
->
-> I got MSI's UUCP and trying it.  Will evaluate theirs as well but
-> I am not goina get it for awhile.

   I will try both also. This will not be a snap decision.


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From: RICK NASH                              Number: 1591
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/22/93 11:40p
Subj: PDN Planet Connected?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


I've heard that PDN will be going planet connect. Fact or fallacy?
Thanks!
             Rick Nash



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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1592
  To: EMMETT PERDUE                            Date: 12/24/93 12:33a
Subj: AREAFIX                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Tuesday December 21 1993, Emmett Perdue writes to All:

Hello Emmett!

 EP> I hate to have to ask this question, but.....

asking questions is good!

 EP> Has anyone figured out how to make AREAFIX or Remote Echo Control (REC)
 EP> handle Planet Connect.

I run REC.

 EP> Here is the problem I have and I cannot seem to hit the correct config.
 EP> I recieve the entire backbone from PC, 1:3615/51..I must set up my
 EP> areas.bbs so that 1:3615/50 is who the replies go back to, ie:

well, to straighten that out first, You receive the mail from 1:3615/50.  that
mail is being sent to all of us with the aka of 3615/51 (us)

Here are my pertenant lines for PC in REC:

EchoHub   1:3615/50   F  AreaFix  -------- None
EchoList D:\squish\Rec\lists\FidoNet.NA   Fidonet_NA_Backbone_List 1:3615/50 F
EchoList D:\squish\Rec\lists\FidoNo.NO    Fidonet_NO_BackBone_List 1:3615/50 F
AutoStart   1:3615/50   1:3615/51
ExemptCleanup   3615/50
NotifyExclude 1:3615/50     Boyd_Goodin


everything else in REC is as normal..keep the same ideas in areafix and you
should be ok

 EP> AREA_TAG 1:3615/50 (nodes i am feeding)

 EP> I can not get areafix or REC to understand that I need them to see
 EP> 1:3615/50 as MY feed (I think) and insert that address after the area
 EP> tag, but NOT say all messages are from 1:3615/50 and NOT try to send the
 EP> request on to 1:3615/50...but to just add them as pass thru areas.

aah, do you have the following enabled?  :

Sort Tag FeedFirst

if you do and its not working, comment it out (REC only of course i dont know
about areafix)  if you dont have it in, put it in. as for where an echo comes
from..it realy doesnt matter...example


planet_connect  node1 node2 node3 node4

if you get a msg from node2, you send it to node1,3&4 if you get it from node1,
you feed it to node2,3, &4  it doesnt matter what order they're in except for
easy reading and who reads their areas.bbs??

planet_connect 3615/50 123/456   or
planet_connect 123/456 3615/50  are effectively the same thing

 EP> I hope all this makes sense, and I know that someone, somewhere has
 EP> figured all of this out <G>.

it all works fine here except i run squish instead of freemail so I wouldnt
know if that is the one loose bolt you're having.

Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Friday December 24 1993

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1593
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 12/24/93 12:46a
Subj: PTCCMAIN.EXE v1.20                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Wednesday December 22 1993, George Vandervort writes to Boyd Goodin:

Hello George!

 GV> No biggy.. but when activating the Watch mode, you can Pause the Watch
 GV> Mode, but it stays on the Screen when you try to Exit the watch mode.. it
 GV> would be a Nice Option to be able to re-display the Planet Connect
 GV> Screen when Exiting the Watch Mode.. instead of having to Exit PTCCMAIN..

personally, i prefer the mess of characters on the screen as opposed to the
huge ansi letters that are slowly burning themselves in to my hercules monitor
(thats all i'll waste money on for a computer that I cant use <grin>)

Merry Christmas
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Friday December 24 1993

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1594
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/24/93 12:54a
Subj: Forward to???                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

     On Thursday December 23 1993, TIMOTHY WAGONER writes to ALL:

Hello Boyd!

after reading the following..though it certainly isnt your task to teach as
well as sell satellite receivers, but It would seem a bit easier on the eyes if
the new nets braving this new world had some sort of booklet or a few pages
explaining what ROUTING was, or where to send the replies to.  stuff like that.

The same questions keep getting asked over and over..it seems like a common
sense thing to give the people just signing on some of these answers first.

 TW> Well, being new to this all, I am unsure of how to do a couple of
 TW> things. I have been told a couple of times, but Still don't understand.
 TW> I need to know, do I need to set a Route to? I would much prefer that
 TW> all my outbound go out to one system, and I assume that should be
 TW> 3615/50 but not sure.

 TW> -!- GOMail v1.2 [92-0395]
 TW>  ! Origin: Signal Butte BBS (1:3400/8)

Merry Christmas
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Friday December 24 1993

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1595
  To: TIMOTHY WAGONER                          Date: 12/24/93 12:57a
Subj: Forward to???                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Thursday December 23 1993, TIMOTHY WAGONER writes to ALL:

Hello TIMOTHY!

 TW> I need to know, do I need to set a Route to?

yes, of sorts

 TW> I would much prefer that
 TW> all my outbound go out to one system, and I assume that should be
 TW> 3615/50 but not sure.

you must send all your replies for the backbone echos, to 1:3615/50

 TW> I run Dbridge and I currently took out my POLL to 3615/50 as I see no
 TW> need to call everyday unless there is mail to deliver.

certainly.  are you feeding the mail on to the rest of your net as well? Our
net seems to be generating 300k a day of replies.

 TW> Should I set
 TW> Dbridge to Hold ALL and then just POLL or is there a way for it to only
 TW> call when there is outgoing mail?

normally a mailer WILL only want to call when there is mail to deliver

 TW> Any help would be appreciated. Would it be possible for me to freq. a
 TW> config export of Dbridge from someone?

I dont run dbridge..sorry :)

Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Friday December 24 1993

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1596
  To: JOHN MCCONNELL                           Date: 12/24/93  1:00a
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Wednesday December 22 1993, John Mcconnell writes to All:

Hello John!

 JM> hi im a new fido sysop and have had some some echos for over two weeks
 JM> now without a message one in them i talked to my nec about it and he
 JM> said it might be that some echos are not carried via planet connect if

your NEC who is supposed to be coordinating your nets feed from PC should be
able to give you such a list..thats a NEC's job after all <grin>
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Friday December 24 1993

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1597
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  5:00p
Subj: Seasons Greetings!                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


    From everyone here at Planet Systems Inc., we would like to wish
    each and everyone a very merry christmas and best wished for the
    upcoming new year! Now I am off to take a well deserved day off!


...Boyd

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From: MIKE PERKINS                           Number: 1598
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 12/22/93  7:42p
Subj: Pcboard files on the file               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> MP> @SUBJECT:PCBoard Files on the Filekbone

-> Jens Mueller is pushing them that way now.

Thanks for the info Jim.  My phone bill is big enough without having to call
out for PCBoard utilities and file updates. <grin>

Mike


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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 1599
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/23/93  9:42p
Subj: GEcho                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >->Or anything that will read in a fidonet.n? file, and autoadd those new area
 > s
 >->into GEcho..

 >    I have written one that does it for QuickBBS style
 > AREAS.BBS.  Give
 >    me some info on 'P'assthru's for GEcho and I'll add
 > the code for it!

I'm not too familiar with the format of the areas.bbs file, however I exported
one via GEcho, and it looks as tho the file doesn't contain any descriptions.

GEcho can be setup to use the areas.bbs format, instead of it's own index, but
then I'd loose the ability to have the descriptions for when other nodes do a
%LIST.

I don't know what the GEcho format is, however maybe someone will know in here,
and can pass you the info.

Bill

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1600
  To: LISA GRONKE                              Date: 12/24/93 12:57p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Lisa!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/22/93> Lisa Gronke wrote:

LG> Planet Connect has to broadcast "new" messages that you uplink via landli
LG> Tennessee. Else how would other satellite downlinks get them?
LG>
LG> Your tosser should recognize them as dupes and discard them or send them
LG> the dupe area.

It does do that and then I purge them and the next day or 2 they
are back again.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Reality is for people who can't handle computers.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1601
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/24/93  1:09p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/23/93> Glenn Caleval wrote:

GC>  > GC>  > Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is
GC>  > GC>  > duped back to me the next day.

GC>  > GC> You're joking, right Joe? :-)

GC> I hope you didn't take my response as a nasty. I actually thought you mig
GC> humourously confirming things were working well for you. My own kind of h
GC> :-)
Life is too short to be upset at a little humor.  Been gulty of
it myself.
GC>  > took etc, that I too like.  It is 3 or 4 times in a row I get
GC>  > the same stuff back is what I am refering to.

GC> I haven't had the problem so I wouldn't be able to be real sure what migh
GC> causing it. Is it possible that you or a downlink is still feeding echoma
GC> into the land lines as well as up to 3615/50? That would generate a dupe
GC> and depending on other factors could create a "revolving door" where the
GC> msg just runs around in circles until someone notices and breaks its back
GC> I've seen that a number of times in land line based closed topologies. So
GC> had one msg circling Western Canada for about two weeks before a hub noti
GC> and blew a fuse :-)
Well I have turned on my dupe being saved to messages and will
see where it is coming in from.

Joe

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1602
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/24/93  3:27p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jerry!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/23/93> Jerry Dunlap wrote:

JD> JL>JD> When are you guys going to get ISDN tested in Winchester?  I've be
JD> JL>wait
JD> JL>JD> for you guys for months? <g>

JD> JL>When you gona tell me how much equipment will cost me to test
JD> JL>it.

JD> I can loan you at least one unit for a couple of months for testing.  How
JD> that?  Installation from Bell is FREE.  What else can I do for you?

I will call monday and get it hooked up.  Will be getting in
touch soon.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Taglines that make you go "Hmmm..."

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1603
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/24/93  9:03p
Subj: SupraFax                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I have no idea on this one. I reconnected the v32 to see if I could
 > tweak it, and made a run to PC to observe and it connected fine without
 > me changing anything. Maybe a case of unusual line conditions.

Know what you mean.  I got a guy here who can connect with ANYBODY at 14.4 but
on either line of mine, he can only get 9600.  (An attempt at 14.4 ends up in
a no carrier)  Before the "new" phone lines, he was the only one who COULD get
14.4 with me.  Go figure...

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1604
  To: GLYNN LITTLETON                          Date: 12/24/93  9:05p
Subj: PC without Mulitask                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Is anyone using PC without using a multitasker/network?  My net
 > just purchased the satellite equip and we're now in the process
 > of setting up the computer.  We're trying to run it on a 386sx16

Yes I flip flop back and forth between DV and dos.  Lately it's been running
solely under DOS.  No problems.  I run BNU to lock the port at 19.2 then call
the PCSKY.BAT file.  No exits out except to process mail/files/uucp

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1605
  To: DANA HUGGARD                             Date: 12/24/93  9:10p
Subj: UUCP                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > > give up the .QWK and FidoNet for newsgroups.  I already get newsgroups
 > By what method.. or what software do you use for your UUCP Todd?

I did it the easy way.  I installed Waffle as a door to my bbs.  Works just
fine multinode (with some batch tricks of course) and is fairly fast.  It
handles all the inbound mail with only one call to PKUNZIP.  It's not the
fastest mail tosser in the world so I expect to lose some of my system's speed
in the mail processing, but it does work.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1606
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/24/93  9:15p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I can loan you at least one unit for a couple of months for testing.

What's one cost?

 > How's that?  Installation from Bell is FREE.  What else can I do for

Only in the city though, right?  That wouldn't apply if I were to live...oh
just by random choice...out in the country?

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 1607
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/16/93  1:22p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Robert Hilgar scripted in a message to Todd Lyons:

RH> Todd Lyons wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

TL> I use
TL> Fmail which is not JAM yet and it is the one that he quoted
TL> doing 50 messages per second.  With as much mail, as many
TL> downlinks as I have, and across an arcnet network, I average
TL> about 10 per second.

My record for Squish is 183 msgs/sec under DOS.  That's with a highly tweaked
486-33 operating as a peer server.  My goal is 200, but I've got other things
to work on right now: with everything located on a Novell server, I'm currently
pushing 40 msgs/sec.


RH> Well Maximus isn't the prettiest
RH> BBS around, but it seems to fit our needs.

Maximus can be as pretty as you customize it to be; it's all in the mecca
scripts.


RH> I just hate spending money on software
RH> when it can be used for hardware.

Yeah, there's no such thing as too much RAM.


RH> Anyone else care to enlighten us
RH> as to what problems or successes<sp> you are coming accross
RH> with your current configuration?

We (both Patty and myself) are having problems with AreaFix running across
Novell, and no version of Binkley will run under Novell's VLM requester.
Currently I'm using SEAL to replace AreaFix and Raid, but it's not working out
too well.  The PC software runs great under the VLMs, as it did under NetX and
with all the recent versions of DOS tired here.  Maximus handles the large
number of file and message areas carried here, although we do need to break
them down into groups for ease of reading.


RH> I was surprised to see Patty Pickett go from RBBS to
RH> Searchlight and now to Maximus. Perhaps she shares my views.

Don't know about the views part, but Patty dropped RBBS because of internal
problems with the development groups, and Searchlight because of it's technical
limitations.  I was running Max when we met, and that helped convince her to
give it a try.  (She was already looking at it ... )  For now Maximus suits our
needs, but that doesn't mean it will tomorrow.


   ... Remus ...


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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 1608
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 12/24/93  7:07a
Subj: Questions                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave!

Sunday December 19 1993, Dave Sloan writes to Russell Naber:

 DS> In a msg on <Dec1912:37, Russell Naber of 1:15/24 writes:

 RN>> Is anybody running the Planet Connect software with OS2?

 DS> Doesn't work. They said that they were more interested in making a version
 DS> for unix rather then os/2. Seems like they have never heard of the gnu
 DS> compilers? Since most unix stuff has been converted to os/2 it should not
 DS> take long after they do the unix port to come up with an os/2 port. I
 DS> would do it for them, but I guess that I will just have to figure it out
 DS> on my own.

 DS> -+- msgedsq/2 2.1
 DS>  + Origin: Tech Talk Toll Wpg,MB(204)269-7373 HST/Dual (1:348/105)


Okay what about creating a event batch file the shutsdown os/2 to a dual boot
/dos and upon booting in dos the autoexec calls the batch file to run the
software for the satelite, when done it beboots into os2, checks a startup .cmd
and then finish's the mail tossing?




Russell

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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 1609
  To: JD BROWN                                 Date: 12/24/93  7:07a
Subj: Questions                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello JD!

Sunday December 19 1993, JD Brown writes to Russell Naber:

 JB> CIS: 72027,2432  Internet: [e-mail]   IBM LINK @
 JB> DEV0580

 RN>> Hello All!
 RN>>
 RN>>
 RN>> Is anybody running the Planet Connect software with OS2?
 RN>>
 RN>> If so can you netmail me with your phone number, I wish to contact
 RN>> somebody that can provide me with some before you buy advice.


 JB>  Nope. Won't work under OS/2. OS/2 won't allow the dongle to speak to the
 JB>  DOS session.




 JB> ___
 JB>  X KWQ/2 1.2a X Clinton - From a chicken in every pot, to a chicken who
 JB> smoked po

 JB> -+- Maximus/2 2.01wb
 JB>  + Origin: OS/2 Exchange (Home of EGGNET'S EC1, POLICY) (1:3622/1)

Okay what about creating a event batch file the shutsdown os/2 to a dual boot
/dos and upon booting in dos the autoexec calls the batch file to run the
software for the satelite, when done it beboots into os2, checks a startup .cmd
and then finish's the mail tossing?



Russell

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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 1610
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/24/93  9:45a
Subj: Hyperdisk parms                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RHbut that didn't seem to make a bit of difference even with
  buffers set at a low 10. I guess I need to read the Hyperdisk doc's!

If I'm not mistaken.  Hyperdisk docs tell you to set the BUFFERS=1 Yes, ONE.

 * 1st 1.10 #310s * Chernobyl used Windows


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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 1611
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/24/93  9:45a
Subj: Dongle vs. software locks               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RH        I _HATE_ that stupid dongle. It makes me leave the printer on or
          unplugged. Thats not good. I am no programmer, so I don't know,
          but can't the Planet Connect software handle this internally
          like the copy of TVAGENT we are supposed to get does?
          Time crippling is done all the time with other software.
          Then, maybe it would work under OS/2 and make a lot of us happy!
          I would be a nice X-Mas gift for us subscribers! ;-)

        I prefer the hardware dongle over the Everlock software scheme. The
copy protection/time lock on the software lock is a real pain.  It creates
hidden, system, read-only files on your hard disk.  If your disk gets scrambled
or needs replaced you can have spare drives and computers all around you and
they are worthless until you can get in contact with someone at Planet Connect
to reinitialize the thing.  Until then, your mail connection from the sky is
dead!
        With the hardware dongle I'm free to mix and match hardware to my
heart's content without any ill effects or Planet Connect assistance.  I can
also defrag my drive without those hidden, system, read-only files being stuck
where they were originally placed by the Everlock "software only" install.

 * 1st 1.10 #310s * There is no problem that cannot be solved by high
explosives


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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1612
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/24/93  4:06p
Subj: Re: Dupe Loop                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


In a message to GEORGE VANDERVORT <12-23-93 21:40> JOE LYDA wrote:
JL>  I fully agree that I should see my sent out mail return.  But
JL>  what I am seeing is it return several times.  Not just my mail
JL>  but in several echos it is being repeated several times, 3 and 4
JL>  times I see the same message with nothing changed.  I am aware
JL>  that my tosser can weed them out and not toss them or what ever
JL>  elce it has capibility of doing.

Ahhh.. then possibly your mail tosser is leaving a copy of the Dups lying
around, to be tossed again when the next bundle of mail is processed?

I had that happen to me a couple of years ago while Beta-testing a buggy
mail processor for an earlier version of QUICKBBS...

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1613
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/24/93  4:15p
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



In a message to TIM JACOBS <12-23-93 22:01> JOE LYDA wrote:
JL>  TJ>  > BG>    The new RIPPAINT does allow you to take a PCX file and
JL>  TJ>  > BG> Convert icon right? I also heard that you can make that icon
JL>
JL>  This I have found out, however, they stil have to be downloaded
JL>  by the user to view them so why bother.  I would like to see them
JL>  converted to RIP format so no downloading would be necessary.
JL>
JL>  Joe
JL>
JL>   * WCE 1.10/2107 * Hardware: The part you kick.
JL>
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I have a file available for Freq or Download called PCX2ICON.EXE
(Self-extracting) that converts *.PCX file to RIP ICONS...

Regards,
George Vandervort

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1614
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/24/93  4:42p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
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-> Fred Seibel wrote in a message to Chuck Warren:
->
-> FS>     Do ya have something or know of something that will
-> FS> add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??
-> FS> Right now, the only way I know of is to do it by hand.
->
-> If you had Squish areas (HINT), you would be able to use SEAL. With W
-> I don't know.
->

Running Squish on the mail system.
Have a server and 4 work stations set up.

WC is on 107/600.
Squish is on 107/33 (13/24)
Have PC comming down into a 286.

Fred


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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1615
  To: ROGER MORRIS                             Date: 12/25/93 10:43p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Roger Morris wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

RM> How many FILES do you have in CONFIG.SYS?  Try 60 and a good
RM> cache and delayed writes if your system can handle them.  (I
RM> run SmartDrive here!)  Also, run your passthru areas Squish
RM> style and if you have the memory put them on a ramdisk.
RM> This end just took 27 minutes to toss/scan this morning's
RM> big drop plus another 10 minutes to archive the outbound
RM> stuff.  The number of dupes you track plays a major role,
RM> too.  I went from 1000 per area to 2 and dropped about 10
RM> msgs/sec.  And the more downlinks you have, the better the
RM> stats get.

I have just tried what you and the others suggested. I must say, the results
ARE incredible! Thanks!

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1616
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/25/93 10:46p
Subj: Status fields                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

DO> Whether you're right or not, it's one hell of a lot more
DO> than I knew before.

DO> THANKS!

        You are very welcome! Happy Holidays Dave!!!!

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1617
  To: DIANE SUMMERS                            Date: 12/25/93 10:48p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
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Diane Summers wrote in a message to Randy Blackmond:

DS> I have noticed the dupe loop problem on my end as well but
DS> my tosser does not setect and kill them because they come
DS> back changed bearing my origin line.  I am using Wildmail.
DS> What are you using?  Thanks.

Wow Diane, that doesn't sound like a very intelligent tosser. Isn't there
something else that you Wildcat SysAdmin's can use?

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1618
  To: DIANE SUMMERS                            Date: 12/25/93 10:50p
Subj: Merry Christmas!                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Diane Summers wrote in a message to All:

DS> Hi All!

DS> Di's Online Cafe & Company wishes you all and your's a very
DS> Merry Christmas and a Happy New year! :)

Thanks Di, and the same to you and every one else in this marvelous land of
Fidonet!


Regards,
           Robert & Celeste

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1619
  To: LANCE TAYLOR-WARREN                      Date: 12/25/93 10:53p
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Lance Taylor-Warren wrote in a message to John Kaufman:

LT> to process the .bag files you need fredgate/gigo/waffle or

What is GIGO? (I know it processes USENET stuff you smart alecks reading this
when it isn't addressed to you <G>) I mean, how does it differ from FRED or
Waffle? Can we FREQ it from you? If so, what speed and what file size?


Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1620
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 12/25/93 10:56p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
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Jacobo Oduber wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

JO> We have also been using wildcat but Tossing has been way to
JO> slow over here. Like it takes just about a half a day to
JO> toss everything that Boyd sends down and that is on a 486-33
JO> with enough cache to make even a turtle run faster.

But does your cache have staged writes enabled? Are you unzipping to a RAM
drive? These are the things that have been suggested to me, and when I actually
sat down and read the doc's for HyperDisk, well, my tossing of the backbone is
at about 20-25 minutes. If this isn't the problem, perhaps it is the tosser you
are using is a piece of !@$#&.

JO> I'll be trying PCBoard next, Hope we'll be having better
JO> luck with that Program..

I'm not familiar with PCB to FIDO tossing except that I know the program
FIDOPCB or is it PCBFIDO is useless if you have more than 1 FTN. Try putting a
Zone 83 (OS2NET) in there and watch it chock to death!

JO> BTW Wildcat/Wildmail and sortpacket has been really messing
JO> up my message base on a completely random basis and
JO> sortpacket has not been to forgiving since it deletes all
JO> the packets it sorts and leaves you with something pretty
JO> unusable if it hangs. The only reply I got back from the
JO> programmers was that I should not run Wildmail under
JO> desqview. Sure tell me some more chrismas stories.

Tell me, what good is a program that doesn't run under Desqview? It is
something all us DOS users kinda need.
Wildcat, from the people who bring us Qmodem. Not many of us use Qmodem either.
I know quite a bit of local Wildcatters that have various problems. Perhaps you
should ask Fred Seibel about these things, he uses Wildcat.


Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1621
  To: JOHN JOHNSON                             Date: 12/25/93 11:11p
Subj: PC without Mulitask                     Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

John Johnson wrote in a message to Glynn Littleton:

JJ> Hopefully you have the PC connected to a 16550 UART, lock
JJ> the port for the PC machine, with the recieve buffer at 8k.
JJ> And install a GOOD delayed write cache.

Why do you suggest the 8K receive?  T=8192 is not needed.
Am I wrong?


Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1622
  To: JERRY RUSSELL                            Date: 12/25/93 11:13p
Subj: ECHOS                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jerry Russell wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

JR> Boyd, How about setting up some PC specific ECHOS one for
JR> each BBS type. These Echos would only be on the SAT. and

[personal opinion]

But I like having us all here. I have picked up many things from everyone,
using various BBS software. I have learned quite a bit from SysAdmin's of RA,
ProBoard, Max, Wildcat as well as others. Besides, let Boyd and company worry
about the other headaches they have.

[end of personal opinion]

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1623
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/25/93 11:18p
Subj: Re: Dupe Loop                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JOE LYDA wrote in a message to GEORGE VANDERVORT:

JL> There is a dupe loop which adds to processing time and all
JL> that good stuff.  It may be one of my down links that is

Boy would I feel like a real ASS if this due loop was from me.

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1624
  To: RICK NASH                                Date: 12/25/93 11:20p
Subj: PDN Planet Connected?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rick Nash wrote in a message to All:

RN> I've heard that PDN will be going planet connect. Fact or
RN> fallacy? Thanks!
RN>              Rick Nash

Not in the Filbone for Planet Connect as of 12-24-1993 yet. I think Janis is
trying to get it together though.


Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1625
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 12/25/93 11:23p
Subj: PTCCMAIN.EXE v1.20                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ken Kavanagh wrote in a message to George Vandervort:

KK> personally, i prefer the mess of characters on the screen as
KK> opposed to the huge ansi letters that are slowly burning
KK> themselves in to my hercules monitor (thats all i'll waste
KK> money on for a computer that I cant use <grin>)

Do you think that those ascii characters can't burn in?
I don't like the ASCII or the ANSI logo, so I use a screen
blanker.


Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1626
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 12/25/93 11:26p
Subj: Forward to???                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ken Kavanagh wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

 TW> Well, being new to this all, I am unsure of how to do a couple of
 TW> things. I have been told a couple of times, but Still don't understand.
 TW> I need to know, do I need to set a Route to? I would much prefer that
 TW> all my outbound go out to one system, and I assume that should be
 TW> 3615/50 but not sure.

This question is bringing tears to my eyes. Doesn't he know he should route all
mail to 153/7070? Ha! Could you imagine what you would think then? I agree with
you Ken, we need to post a FAQ here.

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1627
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/25/93 11:33p
Subj: Seasons Greetings!                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to All:

BG> best wished for the     upcoming new year! Now I am off to
BG> take a well deserved day off!

I didn't know you were able to take days off. I am sure you will catch hell for
doing that! <G>

Happy and Safe Holidays Boyd! Thanks for an excellant service!!


Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1628
  To: FRANK SALERNO                            Date: 12/25/93 11:36p
Subj: Hyperdisk parms                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Frank Salerno wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

FS> If I'm not mistaken.  Hyperdisk docs tell you to set the
FS> BUFFERS=1 Yes, ONE.

Line 777 of speedkit.txt says set BUFFERS=10. At any rate, I have it all
working GREAT now.


Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1629
  To: FRANK SALERNO                            Date: 12/25/93 11:38p
Subj: Dongle vs. software locks               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Frank Salerno wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

FS> from the sky is dead!         With the hardware dongle I'm
FS> free to mix and match hardware to my heart's content without
FS> any ill effects or Planet Connect assistance.  I can also
FS> defrag my drive without those hidden, system, read-only
FS> files being stuck where they were originally placed by the
FS> Everlock "software only" install.

That makes sense Frank. I just wish we could run OS/2 with it. I suppose
tomorrow, I will by another computer for PC at the computer show. That sucks!
And it will happen as always, I will buy a computer, a network card, etc., and
a week later someone will have a way of running it under OS/2! <G>


Regards,
           Robert

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1630
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/25/93 10:23p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JL>JD> JL>JD> When are you guys going to get ISDN tested in Winchester?  I've

JL>I will call monday and get it hooked up.  Will be getting in
JL>touch soon.

Ok, call me voice at 646-2884 if you need my help with configuration.

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1631
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/25/93 10:25p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TL> > I can loan you at least one unit for a couple of months for testing.

TL>What's one cost?


About $500 for the 57600 units.


TL> > How's that?  Installation from Bell is FREE.  What else can I do for

TL>Only in the city though, right?  That wouldn't apply if I
TL>were to live...oh just by random choice...out in the country?


In Tennessee, install of ISDN is free everywhere in the state for the 1st year.
 The catch is that your central office needs to be ISDN-equipped and about 60%
of ours in TN are now with about 90% by next year.

We have a region18 echo called ISDN that you might want to pick up.

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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 1632
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 12/25/93  6:11a
Subj: Questions                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave!

Thursday December 23 1993, Dave Sloan writes to Russell Naber:

 DS> In a msg on <Dec2323:26, Russell Naber of 1:15/24 writes:

 RN>> Okay what about creating a event batch file the shutsdown os/2 to
 RN>> a dual boot /dos and upon booting in dos the autoexec calls
 RN>> the batch file to run the software for the satelite, when
 RN>> done it beboots into os2, checks a startup .cmd and then
 RN>> finish's the mail tossing?

 DS> To easy - just us the setboot command.

Setboot command?

 DS>  Unfortunately while os/2 is
 DS> operating you miss any packets that need retransmission.

what about staying in dos via dual boot till all errors are gone on receiving
packets.

 DS>  I use a cheap PC
 DS> to receive and send the messages over to my OS/2 system. The PC was less
 DS> then one of these fancy serial cards. Works flawlessly! P.S. you only need
 DS> the 16550 for receiving. The 16450 does the trick for dsz to send it to
 DS> the OS/2 system as long as the 16550 resides on the OS/2 receiving system.
 DS> I run 38400 to the OS/2 system.


Yep another machine would solve the problem, although not a solution right now.

As I work with os/2 more and more, I am less anxious to consider the
possibility of going back to plain dos/windows.  I wish to come up with a
solution to aquire the satelite dish and software, run it and then return to
os/2 since the software does not work with the dongle.

Boyd needs to consider removing the dongle option, and coming up with some
other type of protection.


Heck just tonight finally switched over to enhanced mode on the adaptec
controller card, What a difference on disk access speeds. Things just zoom
along.

If I can just figure out how to shut down running programs/session in os/2 via
batch file, then set a flag file and reboot into dual boot/dos run a batch file
if flag present and go get the mail off the satelite and reboot into os/2, this
would solve the problem.  I don't mind the system (bbs,mailer) being down for a
hour or two to get the mail. (especially considering the volume that I would be
able to get, and phone cost savings.)


Russell

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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 1633
  To: FRANK SALERNO                            Date: 12/25/93  7:20a
Subj: Dongle vs. software locks               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Frank!

Friday December 24 1993, Frank Salerno writes to Robert Hilgar:

 FS> RH        I _HATE_ that stupid dongle. It makes me leave the printer on or
 FS>           unplugged. Thats not good. I am no programmer, so I don't know,
 FS>           but can't the Planet Connect software handle this internally


 FS>           Then, maybe it would work under OS/2 and make a lot of us happy!
 FS>           I would be a nice X-Mas gift for us subscribers! ;-)



I agree with out Frank, Boyd if you watching, is there any way to come up with
some other protection scheme that dont' cripple other operating systems?

Russell

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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1634
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  3:29a
Subj: Dupes ???                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Ok, first, I am NOT talking about my OWN messages coming back. Is it
just my system, or is there a SERIOUS dupe loop happening. I just read
through about 120 messages, of which 60 were original and the others
dupes.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1635
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  3:30a
Subj: Stats Echo                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    In the Planet Connect Statistics echo, could someone tell me what
the ECHO IN coloum and the NET IN Coloum represents?


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1636
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  3:33a
Subj: ACONFIG.SKY and MAKECFG                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Does anyone know if there is a problem with running several
different config files for ACONFIG.SKY and then switching them around on
an errorlevel dropout and running MAKECFG and then going back into
PTCCMAIN? All of which is being done from a batch file.

    I seem to have it in my head that I read a message in here that
someone said the system needed to be rebooted when MAKECFG was run, and
I want to find out for sure.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 1637
  To: ROGER MORRIS                             Date: 12/24/93  2:47p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RM> tired here.  Maximus handles the large number of file
 RM> and message areas carried here, although we do need to
 RM> break them down into groups for ease of reading.

How did you break it up into groups?  I'd like to do something like for users
here to make life easier.

-=- Craig.


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From: CHARLIE CARTER                         Number: 1638
  To: GLYNN LITTLETON                          Date: 12/23/93 11:04p
Subj: PC without Mulitask                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > using DV but it appears this is not going to work as PC is
 > continually writting to the hd giving FrontDoor no chance, ie,
 > setting ticks 9 to 3 with FrontDoor in the foreground, it takes
 > about 30 rings before FD will even answer the phone :(

 > Any suggestions?

Set your ticks to 3:3 and see what happens.

<-> Charlie <->

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1639
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 12/25/93  6:44p
Subj: Re: Weather Maps                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello George!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/24/93> George Vandervort wrote:

GV>

GV> In a message to TIM JACOBS <12-23-93 22:01> JOE LYDA wrote:
GV> JL>  TJ>  > BG>    The new RIPPAINT does allow you to take a PCX file and
GV> JL>  TJ>  > BG> Convert icon right? I also heard that you can make that i
GV> JL>
GV> JL>  This I have found out, however, they stil have to be downloaded
GV> JL>  by the user to view them so why bother.  I would like to see them
GV> JL>  converted to RIP format so no downloading would be necessary.
GV> JL>
GV> JL>  Joe
GV> JL>
GV> JL>   * WCE 1.10/2107 * Hardware: The part you kick.
GV> JL>
GV> JL>  --- GOMail v1.2 [92-0081]
GV> JL>   * Origin: Net 3622 Echomail Corrdinator (1:3622/1000)

GV> I have a file available for Freq or Download called PCX2ICON.EXE
GV> (Self-extracting) that converts *.PCX file to RIP ICONS...

GV> Regards,
GV> George Vandervort

I already have that file and it will do it, however the user
has to download the icons to view them so I see no improvement
there ether.  I guess it will be sometime before someone figures
out how to convert .pcx to .rip.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Aw Honey... just one more message, honest...

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1640
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/25/93  6:30p
Subj: Seasons Greetings!                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     each and everyone a very merry christmas and best wished for the
 >     upcoming new year! Now I am off to take a well deserved day off!

Hey hey hey....was that in the contract???

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1641
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 12/25/93  6:39p
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > fredgate is a good piece of software to gate the uucp message to fido-
 > style
 > message format.  and you'll have to find your own gate back into the
 > internet for your replies.  OUr net has an amiga which has its software
 > for that and for ibm class machines, waffle bbs can gate back in.(but
 > man is it ever a bitch to set up)

I'm using Waffle (or at least in the process of setting it up).  It's taking
all the mail in right now.  I'm just working on a way to get it batching out
to nodes below me.

Check this out if you don't have a return feed yet.  I called this guy and
asked him a few questions:

        Spectrum Online Systems, Inc.
        Attn: Jim Welch
        2860 South Circle Drive, Ste 2202
        Colorado Springs, CO  80906
        719-576-6845

Basically, for $1.00 per hour (I don't think there are any other hidden costs,
but ask him and he'll give you the gammut of specs) he'll give you a return
feed into the Internet.  I don't know if this offer is extended to just
anybody.  You still have to pay the long distance charges to connect with him
I think, but unless you plan on having a meg of mail a day, I don't see how
that price can be beat anywhere.

He also has pricing plans available for full InterNet connectivity.  Give him
a call Monday and ask him a few questions.

I *AM* open to suggestions.  Let me know of alternatives.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1642
  To: ERVIN JAY                                Date: 12/15/93  4:36p
Subj: AREAFIX AND PLANET CONNECT              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Does AreaFIX not have a "NewAreaCreate" verb??

Ervin,
 Yes, it's something like that, I just haven't gotten around to attempting to
configure things that way yet.

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1643
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 12/22/93  5:12p
Subj: SUPRAFAX                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Glenn,
 Dunno what version your ROM's are in that Supra, but if it's fairly old, you
should contact Supra to see about later ones. Reports I have say that the new
ROM's make the Supra pretty darn compatible.

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1644
  To: DEAN LAKE                                Date: 12/25/93  6:17p
Subj: WCFF and Big Config's                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
-> JL}     It's always worked for me too. But now that I'm tossing the e
-> JL}     Filebone, it has a lot to be desired. It's a memory hog!
-> JL}     I have 620k available mem on the workstation that does the ti
-> JL}     When I added the entire filebone the .CFG file grew to about
-> JL}     Well that locked it up tighter than a mouses ear. I had to ed
-> JL}     .CFG down to 36k before it would run again.  I guess a new ve
-> JL}     is to be released soon though.
->
-> WCFF will also work well in conjunction with RAID.  You can use
-> the entire FILEBONE.NA in the Raid.cfg file, and let RAID
-> maintain the WCFF.CFG file.  Raid was designed to work with TIC,
-> but the only difference between the TIC.CFG and WCFF.CFG is the
-> IN vs. INFILES verb.  Raid updates the WCFF.CFG file and adds
-> file areas only as needed, and my WCFF.CFG has yet to hit 15K.
-> Latest version of RAID is 1.23 ....

   I'm using Raid 1.23 now. How do you add ALL the files off the
   bird to WC! with a 15k .CFG file?  I'd like to see your setup.
   Could you zip up your .CFGs and let me take a peek?

   John...


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1645
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 12/25/93  6:39p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> We have also been using wildcat but Tossing has been way to slow over
-> here. Like it takes just about a half a day to toss everything that B
-> sends down and that is on a 486-33 with enough cache to make even a
-> turtle run faster.

   This doesn't sound right. I toss everything off the bird with
   a 386/40 in a LAN in 40 mins with WC. I think you need some
   tweeking.

-> BTW Wildcat/Wildmail and sortpacket has been really messing up my
-> message base on a completely random basis and sortpacket has not been
-> forgiving since it deletes all the packets it sorts and leaves you wi
-> something pretty unusable if it hangs. The only reply I got back from
-> the programmers was that I should not run Wildmail under desqview. Su
-> tell me some more chrismas stories.

   I do everything you just mentioned on a LAN *AND* under DV without
   any problems. Don't run WM under DV? Absurd!  I find it very
   hard to beleive Joe or Derek told you that. WC\WM and Sortpacket
   messing up your databases?  I haven't had a corruption in a year
   and that was my fault. WCrepair fixed it in 5 minutes. Sorry about
   your tough luck, but I wouldn't be so quick to blame the software.


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1646
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/25/93  7:05p
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Not sure if anyone else saw this today or not.  If it was just me, th
-> got problems.  <sigh>
->
-> PT exited after cycle completion at about 0740 cst this morning.  It
-> proceeded to go though at least two cycles without ever exiting.  At
-> 1500cst I called Jim to see if it was me or there was an actual probl
-> said he'd check and let me know.  I never heard back but at 1600cst,
-> on it's own.  I have thought it might have skipped exits before, but
-> very it.  This time I watched at least two cycles of the same files c

    I got the same thing, several times before too!  Just check your
    Skymail or PCutil log to see when it was last written to check exit
    times.

-> Also, I've got about 26 orphaned Tic files left over.  They were also
-> the UPLD.LST, so something happened between you and the uplink.  Luck
-> were not anything I pass on so no great loss.

  Last week I got about 20 files and no tics, this week I got 20 tics
and no files. This is becoming a pain.


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1647
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/25/93  7:20p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ->    Do ya have something or know of something that will
-> ->add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??
->
->   I personally use AllFix, but will try to work it up for Tick as wel
->   Once I get some info on AllFix structures (?) then I will proceed.


     Chuck,

     I assume you use WCFILE with allfix to add desc's into WC?
     I've seen Allfix in use but haven't set it up. I'm not sure I want
     to wait for v4.0 of WCFF to come out. Got a WCFILE/ALLFIX file
     for freq?

     Tried your pcareas file, works nice. How tough would it be to be
     able to delete an area that isn't in Fidonet.na or whatever, that
     1:3615/50 is the uplink to?


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1648
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/25/93  7:32p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
-> LG> Planet Connect has to broadcast "new" messages that you uplink vi
-> LG> Tennessee. Else how would other satellite downlinks get them?
-> LG> Your tosser should recognize them as dupes and discard them or se
-> LG> the dupe area.
->
-> It does do that and then I purge them and the next day or 2 they
-> are back again.


    Joe,

    I've followed your problem with dupes here. I noticed the same
    problem with WM. To fix it I had to set the dupe checking to at
    least 40,000 before my system would delete them (that's how many
    come through before mine comes back). Does Gomail have a select
    number of messages to check for dupes, can you increase it?


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From: GREG VANDERGRIFF                       Number: 1649
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/25/93  1:38p
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Dec 23 22:18 93, Dave Osborne of 1:123/301.2;
 wrote the following words of wisdom :

 DO> Not sure if anyone else saw this today or not.  If it was
 DO> just me, then I've got problems.  <sigh>

I noticed the same thing.

 DO> PT exited after cycle completion at about 0740 cst this
 DO> morning.  It then proceeded to go though at least two
 DO> cycles without ever exiting.  At about 1500cst I called Jim
 DO> to see if it was me or there was an actual problem.  He
 DO> said he'd check and let me know.  I never heard back but at
 DO> 1600cst, it exited on it's own.  I have thought it might
 DO> have skipped exits before, but couldn't very it.  This time
 DO> I watched at least two cycles of the same files come down.

I have wondered about this also, I have noticed it go through 2 to 3
repeats of same files and not exit and wondered if it was my setup or what.

 DO> Is the exit signal part of a file?  A filename? Or some
 DO> sort of control signal on the link?  Is it easy to miss or
 DO> possibly error out?

Would greatley help in reducing the amount of stuff to process at a time if it
worked always. Were trying to set this up on a 386/sx16
and it's a  pain waiting on it to error out to make SURE it's doing like it
should.


 DO> Merry Christmas.... remember, that's a holiday.  :-)

And A HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Greg Vandergriff
[ Team OS/2 ]

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From: GLYNN LITTLETON                        Number: 1650
  To: JOHN JOHNSON                             Date: 12/25/93  7:47p
Subj: PC without Mulitask                     Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

Hello John!

22 Dec 93 22:07, John Johnson wrote to Glynn Littleton:

 JJ> Hopefully you have the PC connected to a 16550 UART, lock the port for the
 JJ> PC machine, with the recieve buffer at 8k.  And install a GOOD delayed
 JJ> write cache.

Yes, we're using the 16550 UART with locked port but not the diskcache.
Will give it a try.


Thanks,
Glynn

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From: LANCE TAYLOR-WARREN                    Number: 1651
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/26/93  9:32a
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Robert!

25 Dec 93 22:53, Robert Hilgar wrote to Lance Taylor-Warren:

 LT>> to process the .bag files you need fredgate/gigo/waffle or

 RH> What is GIGO? (I know it processes USENET stuff you smart alecks
 RH> reading this when it isn't addressed to you <G>) I mean, how does
 RH> it differ from FRED or Waffle? Can we FREQ it from you? If so,
 RH> what speed and what file size?

i've got GIGO available for download, although I can't run it as it requires a
386 and I'm running on a 286 at the moment. GIGO looks like it could be a nive
little program.  It's is very similar to Fredgate but takes the addressing of
mail (email) a bit differently and in some cases better.

GIGO1220.ZIP    400K

I'm very happy with Fredgate and as they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
:)

Lance

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From: RENFREW CCBBS                          Number: 1652
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93  8:14a
Subj: PTCCMAIN.EXE expire date                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

My subscription is expired as of the end of December. My PTCCMAIN.EXE
does NOT beep at  me 10 days before expiry date.

IT JUST DOESN'T ACCEPT INCOMING DATA UNLESS THE SYSTEM IS TURNED OFF AND
THEN BACK ON.

I've read some having this same problem.

Could there be any connection with the program's failure to perform and
it's failure on my system?

Any suggestions?

I've been unable to contact Boyd due to the holidays........

bye.....
Bob Mortimer
Renfrew Computer Club & BBS
Renfrew, On  Canada
1:256/114    61-31-09   ->RENFREW
[phone]   V32bis
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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1653
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/26/93 12:23p
Subj: Re: Dupe Loop                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Robert!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/25/93> Robert Hilgar wrote:

RH> JOE LYDA wrote in a message to GEORGE VANDERVORT:

RH> JL> There is a dupe loop which adds to processing time and all
RH> JL> that good stuff.  It may be one of my down links that is

RH> Boy would I feel like a real ASS if this due loop was from me.

Know what you mean but is not, it has been found here, at least
part of it.  One of my down links from this hub picks up after
all my dupe purging and deleted mail is purged, and is somehow
retossing everything he gets back to me under a different ID and
it is not going back to PC but is showing up in my Message areas.
I have looked at his setup and see nothing wrong.  He receives
from 1:3622/1000 and it tosses it back to 1:3622/1000  and we
have began a tweek to find out why.  Beats me.


Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * He said "ENQ?".  "NAK!", she replied.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1654
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/26/93 12:29p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jerry!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/25/93> Jerry Dunlap wrote:

JD> JL>JD> JL>JD> When are you guys going to get ISDN tested in Winchester?

JD> JL>I will call monday and get it hooked up.  Will be getting in
JD> JL>touch soon.

JD> Ok, call me voice at 646-2884 if you need my help with configuration.
I probally will need help.  Thanks

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Mail not found: (a)bort (r)etry (p)anic (b)lame sysop

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1655
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/26/93 12:30p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/25/93> John Lyon wrote:

JL> ->
JL> -> LG> Planet Connect has to broadcast "new" messages that you uplink vi
JL> -> LG> Tennessee. Else how would other satellite downlinks get them?
JL> -> LG> Your tosser should recognize them as dupes and discard them or se
JL> -> LG> the dupe area.
JL> ->
JL> -> It does do that and then I purge them and the next day or 2 they
JL> -> are back again.


JL>     Joe,

JL>     I've followed your problem with dupes here. I noticed the same
JL>     problem with WM. To fix it I had to set the dupe checking to at
JL>     least 40,000 before my system would delete them (that's how many
JL>     come through before mine comes back). Does Gomail have a select
JL>     number of messages to check for dupes, can you increase it?


Yes it does and I have it set at 20000 but will increase it.  I
did find the bigger one here, one of my downlinks, and am working
at getting it corrected.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * ██▓▓▒▒░░ IN STEREO WHERE AVAILABLE ░░▒▒▓▓██

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1656
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/26/93  2:03p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > -> run: "RAID AUTOCREATE"  before Tick gets ahold of the files.
 >
 > We are doing that. Something seems to be amiss!!!

do you have 1:3615/50 as a node that is allow to create new areas?

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1657
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/26/93  2:21p
Subj: Stats Echo                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     In the Planet Connect Statistics echo, could someone tell me what
 > the ECHO IN coloum and the NET IN Coloum represents?

Echo in is how many echomail messages (in various conferences) you sent to
him.  The Net in is how many netmail messages there were with that.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1658
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/26/93  2:22p
Subj: ACONFIG.SKY and MAKECFG                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     I seem to have it in my head that I read a message in here that
 > someone said the system needed to be rebooted when MAKECFG was run, and
 > I want to find out for sure.

Not rebooted as in reboot the machine, but rebooted in that you need to exit
PC and then fire it back up (so that it reads in the new config)

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1659
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/26/93  2:11p
Subj: ACONFIG.SKY and MAKECFG                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tim!

In a message to All <12/25/93> Tim Lajoie wrote:

TL>     Does anyone know if there is a problem with running several
TL> different config files for ACONFIG.SKY and then switching them around on
TL> an errorlevel dropout and running MAKECFG and then going back into
TL> PTCCMAIN? All of which is being done from a batch file.

TL>     I seem to have it in my head that I read a message in here that
TL> someone said the system needed to be rebooted when MAKECFG was run, and
TL> I want to find out for sure.

Tim the last time I reconfigured aconfig.sky and rum makecfg I
did not reboot and all changes took effect as soon as ptccmain
was run.  I can see no reason why this could not take place as
you suggest.
But I gota ask why do you want to do this?

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Incontinence hotline...Can you hold please?

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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1660
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/26/93  1:32p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' John

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/25/93> John Lyon wrote:

JL>     To fix it I had to set the dupe checking to at
JL>     least 40,000 before my system would delete them (that's how many
JL>     come through before mine comes back).

I have mine set at 27,000. Isn't that enough? It seems to take more time
to update the DUP file than toss the mail sometimes. Oh well back to the
drawing board..

 * WCE 1.10/2008 * Bored at 3:00 a.m.?  PSSSTTT - got a modem?


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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1661
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/26/93 12:32p
Subj: Re: Dupe Loop from Hell!                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



In a message to JOE LYDA <12-25-93 23:18> Robert Hilgar wrote:
RH>  JOE LYDA wrote in a message to GEORGE VANDERVORT:
RH>  Boy would I feel like a real ASS if this due loop was from me.
      _____                                   ^^^^^^^^
     /     \
   \/\/     |
    |  (o)(o)
    C   .---_)
     | |.___|   What's a "due loop"   <grin>
     |  \__/    must be when your wayyy past due for a Dupe-loop?  :-)
     /_____\
    /_____/ \   Merry Xmas..
   /         \


Regards,
George Vandervort

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1662
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/26/93  1:05p
Subj: Re: ACONFIG.SKY and MAKECFG             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


In a message to All <12-25-93 03:33> Tim Lajoie wrote:
TL>      Does anyone know if there is a problem with running several
TL>  different config files for ACONFIG.SKY and then switching them around
TL>  on
TL>  an errorlevel dropout and running MAKECFG and then going back into
TL>  PTCCMAIN? All of which is being done from a batch file.
TL>
TL>      I seem to have it in my head that I read a message in here that
TL>  someone said the system needed to be rebooted when MAKECFG was run,
TL>  and
TL>  I want to find out for sure.
TL>
TL>  Tim Lajoie,
TL>  SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net
TL>  --- WM v3.10/92-0279
TL>   * Origin: CSRN BBS, Over 5 Gigs Online + InterNet & Satellite!
TL>  (1:222/21.0)


This may have something to do with your earlier message about 60 Dupes out of
every 120 messages?

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From: JEFF CAMERON                           Number: 1663
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93  1:48a
Subj: 8086                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I've been setting up the planet connect software on my 8086.  I've
noticed that I can receive the files error free, and lose the file as
soon as its finished and moved.  I have been able to cure this by NOT
viewing Status.  Apparently the planetconnect program is not written as
efficiently as it could be to accomodate the slower pcs.  I had no
problem what-so-ever with the skylink software.My machine runs
at 7mhz.   If anything could be done to help out the slow machines,
many of my problems could be easily solved.  I do have a math-co..and
possibly using that in the programming would help.  THe 16550 chip made
no notible difference. Seems the problem was in the Statis View portion
eating up vital memory.

The copy protection, date checking has turned out to be a real pain in
the ass.  I don't have any slots left to put a clock card in, so I must
set the time through the network.  I did have an occasion where a
program I ran messed the clock up 12 hrs.  I now must set my clock
ahead 12 hours for the program to work.  What can I do (besides another
long distance call to Tennesee for a reset code...this is getting
expensive) to cure this.

For me, the time copy protection has turned out to be my biggest worry
since i must use the time from another computer...one slip-up, and I'm
out of business...and at $40 a month for the service, plus all the
nodes I feed...this is a real problem.  Can anything be done to ease
this problem?  If not, then I'll return the whole thing until something
more suitable to my needs is implemented...At this rate, its more
economical to use the phone lines.

         I really want this thing to work....please help me.  There
just is nothing left for me to do personally besides buy another
computer....and after the $300 for the receiver, not to mention the
dish and parts...and 400 some odd bucks for a year subsciption, why I
have to fight all the date copy protect bullshit. It should be easy to
fix the date thing to be a little more lenient.  I suppose I could
shut the thing down for a day...and maybe it'll work again if I reset
the clock then to the correct time......but without an 800 # for tech
support...this is turning into a real moneypit.

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From: TIMOTHY WAGONER                        Number: 1664
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 12/25/93 11:58p
Subj: Forward to???                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> certainly.  are you feeding the mail on to the rest of your net as we
-> net seems to be generating 300k a day of replies.

No, currently I am the Only one here doing Fido. The closest Fido node
from me is 150 miles from here. All instate calls are more expensive, so
to feed them would be senseless. My callers don't much use the mail. I
try to get them interested but they don't see any point in it. Maybe
they will come around. I am only in a town of about 10,000 and I do have
230 regular callers, about 120 of them are long distance. As for now We
may have 3 pieces of mail go out a day, sometimes a week. On a real good
day we may send 15-20 pieces.

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1665
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/25/93  7:37p
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave!

23 Dec 93 22:18, Dave Osborne wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 DO> Not sure if anyone else saw this today or not.  If it was just
 DO> me, then I've got problems.  <sigh>

 DO> PT exited after cycle completion at about 0740 cst this morning.
 DO> It then proceeded to go though at least two cycles without ever
 DO> exiting.  At about 1500cst I called Jim to see if it was me or
 DO> there was an actual problem.  He said he'd check and let me know.
 DO> I never heard back but at 1600cst, it exited on it's own.  I have
 DO> thought it might have skipped exits before, but couldn't very it.
 DO> This time I watched at least two cycles of the same files come
 DO> down.

        I too have noticed that - today it did not exit ever, I run a TSR that
I ran that counts the cycles, and when it popped up a lil bit ago had 1 cycle
since 0600est.

 DO> Also, I've got about 26 orphaned Tic files left over.  They were
 DO> also listed on the UPLD.LST, so something happened between you
 DO> and the uplink.  Luckily, they were not anything I pass on so no
 DO> great loss.

        Noted that problem off and on for the last couple of days. I have been
watching the flow real close due to some changes here locally. I also have a
couple of files that don't have the TIC files...

OZZ

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1666
  To: SYSOP                                    Date: 12/24/93  9:13p
Subj: PCBoard Utils.                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The Carving sound you heard was a letter being written for SYSOP!

A lot of you have been freqing A2C recently, I have zipped up the final Beta.

Freq: OTW!A2C.ZIP
From: 1:18/201.0 or 1:362/201.0

* If you have not seen what A2C is, it is for PCBoard operators w/ the Dish!
  Reads: FastEcho Areas.BBS, D'Bridge Areas.BBS, FidoPCB.CFG, or FIDONET.NA
  Updates: CNAMES.@@@

The Official Release will be coming out via the Satellite to all in the PCUTIL
area. Along with the official Release of the TIC processor! (RTP).

    We just got in the 15.x Developers Kit for Christmas, and will also be
making some killer 'C' source doors! Basically, I am re-writing all those great
PCB 14.5 doors, and will be releasing the source code with them over the PCUTIL
file area.

OZZ
The secret is in the rinse cycle.

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From: JANIS KRACHT                           Number: 1667
  To: RICK NASH                                Date: 12/25/93  3:09p
Subj: PDN Planet Connected?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Rick,

 RN> I've heard that PDN will be going planet connect. Fact or fallacy?

'Tis fact - I'm working on a backchannel for submissions first so that I can
close open hatching a little less painfully.

Janis

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 1668
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93  7:02a
Subj: One Way UUCP                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Has anyone testing the PCUSENET found a one-way link for replies back to the
"Usenet"?  We're gonna need one as soon as PC completes their testing and
starts offering the full UUCP load.

Ed

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1669
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/27/93 12:04a
Subj: Re: What's this?                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> What are the HOLD & HOLD1 files?  There were no where to be found in the
> download areas?  And they certainly would have shut down Tic

  They are just directories. I broke down one of the bigger mail bundles and
used two directories to do this in. Thats where they came from.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1670
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/27/93 12:05a
Subj: Re: First files                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BTW, what am I missing at the very beginning of the download cycle?  Once
> PCMAIN exits, it takes several minutes to move the files to processing
> directories and return to downloading.  It always starts out in the
> middle of a file and thus never downloads it.  What am I missing?

    Usually it is just the TVLISTING files.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1671
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/27/93 12:06a
Subj: Re: Status fields                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> One more thing.....

> What do the status fields indicate on the status display at the bottom of
> the screen?  Blocks, Errors, CB and Sz are self-evident, but the PHs,
> PBs, CBs and T??s are a little more difficult.

   Anything with a T?? means the file was trashed and not saved tothe HD. Any B
means a block of data, THe P's I am not too sure of.

..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1672
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 12/27/93 12:07a
Subj: Re: .tic files                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Need some .tic files for the following... do you still have them? Can you
> put them on hold for me???

> ARLD068  LZH       615

   Sorry Dave. Only started saving the TIC files on the 21st of this month.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1673
  To: TOM JONES                                Date: 12/27/93 12:09a
Subj: Re: Missing TIC files                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd,
> Seems to be several files (mostly SDN) being passed down
> without the TIC file.  I have even included a batch command


   Sorry guy but I only started saving the TIC files on the 21st of this month.
If you miss some they are freq here by the date you missed starting the 21st.
Eg: 12-21-93.ZIP

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1674
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/27/93 12:10a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I'm having alittle trouble connecting to the ISDN line as well, Boyd.

   You call a 19 second connect to drop off everything trouble?


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1675
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/27/93 12:12a
Subj: Re: 1st Transmit of the d               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> from what is currently coming across and starts feeding the new info? If
> so, what are the chances of getting the feed start fresh  so that we can
> get an errol level and drop out, as we do with the repeats?

   That would be hard as it can stop right in the middle of a file. This is a
complete shutdown of the transmitter. We may make revisions in the furture.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1676
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/27/93 12:13a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> it.  He'll probably want me to set up a test set with Intermail.
> <Arggghh!>

   Man you bink guys are die-hards aren't ya.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1677
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/27/93 12:14a
Subj: Re: Please Send TVAGENT                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Thanks Boyd.
> Joe

   Your welcome.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1678
  To: JERRY SCROGGIN                           Date: 12/27/93 12:15a
Subj: Re: Desqview                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> actually it killed me...dropped the network back to 4.1 and had so many
> lockups i went back to two nodes with pc running as an event on node
> 2..much steadier...guess i will have to work on node 3 for a while...

   Sorry to here about that.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1679
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/27/93 12:16a
Subj: Re: OK                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Please tell us if PLANET_CONNECT or PCSITES is restricted in anyway
> to my downlink Sysops or users. Never seen anything on it.

   PLANET_CONNECT can be passed on while the PCSITES is private for receiving
systems only.

> In the initial paperwork I received, I thought there were some mention
> of additonal "services", such as USA Today or Newsbytes...for
> an additional cost.  Is this or anything else available yet or
> planned to go out over the bird?  If so, any specifics yet?

   We are still waiting for the people at USA Today to get the paper work done.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1680
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/27/93 12:19a
Subj: Re: 1st Transmit of the d               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Is this when the new mail starts for the day?  Is any other
> new mail sent before 07:45 the next day?  It seems I'm only getting
> one toss a day about 11:00am EST. Is this correct?

   Usually everything for the day starts at 7:45. If something important that
does not go up or a big bundle gets sent up and I have to break it down is the
only time that anything would be added during the day.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1681
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 12/27/93 12:20a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> respect), I knew that anything that hit him destined for 3615/50 would
> wind up going direct to you.

> Live and learn.  We'll add a few more gray hairs yet -:)

   No you won't. I got grecion formula 16 for Xmas.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1682
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 12/27/93 12:20a
Subj: Re: 2400 baud connection                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG> The HST kind of started having a few problems.

> Ouch!   Now I gotta visit Santa one mo time.

    Hope he brought you one?


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1683
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/27/93 12:22a
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> By this I mean, could you isolate the echo mail from say
> the TIC files and when the echo mail has been transmitted
> then send the signal to exit out and process???
> Once that's done, then send up the tic stuff???

   And what may I ask would you like for me to place in as fillers so you dont
miss any of the tics or files?

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1684
  To: JOE MEADORS                              Date: 12/27/93 12:23a
Subj: Re: planet wide?                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Do you know if there is a similar service provided to users in Europe or
> elsewhere?

   Not at the moment. But we do have plans for  that neck of the woods.

..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1685
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 12/27/93 12:24a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I sent a test message thru 3615/50 addressed to 396/1 and he got it
> without it going all over the globe as well.  That's what I meant when I
> said I had sent a test message to John.  You sent it to him after your
> sytem received it from me.  Routing through your system worked.

   Yes once I had it set right. Now I am getting routed netmail to unlisted
nodes and you name it. So I guess it is up to everyone to get thier stuff
straight now eh?

..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1686
  To: MARK ADKINS                              Date: 12/27/93 12:25a
Subj: Re: routed netmail                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Merry Christmas to you and the rest of the crew there at Planet Systems.

   Sorry its late but same to you and best wishes for the new year.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1687
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 12/27/93 12:26a
Subj: Re: PTCCMAIN.EXE v1.20                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> but it stays on the Screen when you try to Exit the watch mode..
> it would be a Nice Option to be able to re-display the Planet Connect
> Screen
> when Exiting the Watch Mode.. instead of having to Exit PTCCMAIN..

   Ok thanks for the input.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1688
  To: MIKE PERKINS                             Date: 12/27/93 12:33a
Subj: Re: pcboard files on the                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> -> The PCBOARD filebone areas are going over the sat.

> OK, Thanks Boyd.  I like your setup alot.  I wish Rime would speed things
> up so we could knock out the phone bill. -g-

   First of the year from what I hear.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1689
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/27/93 12:34a
Subj: Re: Ticks                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Why not have that go out the next day on the SAT as well?

> Chuck


   Never thought of that. They are always avaible here for FREQ.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1690
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/27/93 12:37a
Subj: Re: 1st Transmit of the d               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> start.  It is apparent that the final cycle doens't totally complete, the
> one I watched <yawn> yesterday just stopped mid way of a file and after
> about 15 minutes of dead time, started the new stuff.  Having that final
> cycle to exit and then pick up fresh after the dead time would be nice.
> Understandable that it may be more difficult than it sounds.  :-)

    I do a complete shutdown prior to moving any inbound files over the network
to the satellite outbound. This speeds up the process a bit and allows me to do
a few other things too.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1691
  To: JERRY RUSSELL                            Date: 12/27/93 12:38a
Subj: Re: ECHOS                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd, How about setting up some PC specific ECHOS one for each BBS type.
> These Echos would only be on the SAT. and would be BBS (software, TBBS,

   I think this area is good for this. You have 670+ to track now. Dont need
any more now do you?

..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1692
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/27/93 12:40a
Subj: Re: PTCCMAIN.EXE v1.20                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> A means of manually forcing an errorlevel 100 exit for time when PTCCMAIN
> doesn't on it's own.

> Also an optional log file that makes a one line entry for each file
> received indicating dat/time/filename/size/status/errors, etc.  It would
> sure help to debug this thing.
> If no incoming blocks are sensed for several minutes, the Uart is reset.

> ...like I said, wish list stuff.  :-)

   noted and will see what I can do.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1693
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/27/93 12:41a
Subj: Re: Problem                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> PT exited after cycle completion at about 0740 cst this morning.  It then
> proceeded to go though at least two cycles without ever exiting.  At
> about 1500cst I called Jim to see if it was me or there was an actual

   i dont know what happened those days. Is it working ok now? I cant find
anything wrong at the uplink. The flag file is being sent.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1694
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 12/27/93 12:42a
Subj: Re: Fidonet NodeDiff.A58?               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Something strang is happening..

> Friday 12-24-93 I received NODEDIFF.A51 and a Tic file in the morning
> Downlink

> Only Problem is, that is the same NODEDIFF.A51 that was released Friday
> 12-17-93, this weeks NodeDiff should be NODEDIFF.A58 ??

   Thats was because of a few files not getting deleted from the previous week.
Seems I always miss one. It is fixed now.


....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1695
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/27/93 12:43a
Subj: Re: Seasons Greetings!                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> WORK!!! Back to WORK!!!!
> NO DAYS OFF!!!!


    Ah humbug!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1696
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/27/93 12:45a
Subj: Re: Seasons Greetings!                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I didn't know you were able to take days off. I am sure you will catch
> hell for doing that! <G>

   Ah, this stinkin computer decided to act normal for a change and I did not
have to do anything Xmas day. Got to sit down to a real good home cooked mean
for a change. 

> Happy and Safe Holidays Boyd! Thanks for an excellant service!!

    Same to you guy and many more to come.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1697
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/27/93 12:45a
Subj: Re: Seasons Greetings!                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hey hey hey....was that in the contract???


     Yep, I just added it in!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1698
  To: JERRY SCROGGIN                           Date: 12/27/93 12:46a
Subj: Re: cnet                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> boyd...are you going to get circuitnet on the bird? i hope the answer is
> yes and would be willing to do what i can to help. I poll nightly from
> the national host.

   Still waiting for the boss to take a look at it and give me the go ahead.

...Boyd

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1699
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 12/26/93  6:14p
Subj: Re: AREAS.BBS & PC                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I tried your PCAREAS on my QUICKBBS AREAS.BBS file and it worked grea

   Fantastic...Once I get some info on AllFix, then I'll do the same for
   AllFix/Tick!

   Chuck


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1700
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/26/93  6:19p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->      I assume you use WCFILE with allfix to add desc's into WC?
->      I've seen Allfix in use but haven't set it up. I'm not sure I wa
->      to wait for v4.0 of WCFF to come out. Got a WCFILE/ALLFIX file
->      for freq?

     Well, I wrote a program (WCTICK) that creates the WCFile batch file
for me...all you do is select the appropriate file areas and the batch
file is created!

     FREQ: WCTICK

     Plan to write something to add all the descriptions, etc to the
AllFix database if I can get the structure info.  I'll attempt to solve
it w/o the info if I have to, would just be quicker to have it.

->      Tried your pcareas file, works nice. How tough would it be to be
->      able to delete an area that isn't in Fidonet.na or whatever, tha
->      1:3615/50 is the uplink to?

     I plan to do this in the next release.  Time is short at the
moment, but sometime next weekend (when I return from a trip) I'll add
the code.  It will also be automated if commandline parameters are
provided!

     Chuck


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From: JASON BAGINSKI                         Number: 1701
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/26/93 12:29p
Subj: Re: Dupe Loop                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JL>    I've followed your problem with dupes here. I noticed the same
 JL>    problem with WM. To fix it I had to set the dupe checking to at
 JL>    least 40,000 before my system would delete them (that's how

Yeah, but why aren't the dupes caught before they go up to the bird?

It take a load off thounsands of systems if the system feeding all of them
would trap the dupes.

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 1702
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/26/93  3:59p
Subj: WCFF and Big Config's                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ->
-> -> JL}     It's always worked for me too. But now that I'm tossing th
-> -> JL}     Filebone, it has a lot to be desired. It's a memory hog!
-> -> JL}     I have 620k available mem on the workstation that does the
-> -> JL}     When I added the entire filebone the .CFG file grew to abo
-> -> JL}     Well that locked it up tighter than a mouses ear. I had to
-> -> JL}     .CFG down to 36k before it would run again.  I guess a new
-> -> JL}     is to be released soon though.
-> ->
-> -> WCFF will also work well in conjunction with RAID.  You can use
-> -> the entire FILEBONE.NA in the Raid.cfg file, and let RAID
-> -> maintain the WCFF.CFG file.  Raid was designed to work with TIC,
-> -> but the only difference between the TIC.CFG and WCFF.CFG is the
-> -> IN vs. INFILES verb.  Raid updates the WCFF.CFG file and adds
-> -> file areas only as needed, and my WCFF.CFG has yet to hit 15K.
-> -> Latest version of RAID is 1.23 ....
->
->    I'm using Raid 1.23 now. How do you add ALL the files off the
->    bird to WC! with a 15k .CFG file?  I'd like to see your setup.
->    Could you zip up your .CFGs and let me take a peek?
->
->    John...


better yet, make it available for freq....

cheers...

Bill..


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From: JAMES MORRIS                           Number: 1703
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93  9:41a
Subj: WEATHER MAPS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 Does anyone know the key to being able to look at the weather maps that are
coming through.  I have not been able to decompress them.  I am wanting to look
at them for my own personal use.

Thanks

James Morris


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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 1704
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93  1:29a
Subj: Dongle Lock & Printer                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion on how to get around the problem of
having to have the printer ON when the printer and dongle share the same
paralell port.  I only have the one paralell port so the dongle has to go
there, but I use the printer a fair amount and sometimes forget to either
unplug it, or turn it on at night, and then when PC fires up it fail because
the power on the printer isn't turned on.

Is there a way to let the dongle do its thing with the printer plugged into it
and with the power OFF?

Glenn

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1705
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/26/93 10:12p
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 25 20:33>, Fred Seibel writes:

 FS>AHHH !!!! So I'm not the only one to see that!!!

Good, at least my sanity is asure for a few more days.  :-)

 FS>I think that was mentioned a day or so back.  Seems the TIC messages got
 FS>"lost".  Guess the bird did a back flip and the signal got sent toward the
 FS>moon!!   :)!!

Come to think of it, they did look a little worn when they got here.

Course, that wasn't near as bad as what happened Friday.  That stuff was a week
old.  :-(

Happy Holidays

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1706
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/26/93 10:16p
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks Greg,

In a msg on <Dec 25 13:38>, Greg Vandergriff writes:

 GV>I have wondered about this also, I have noticed it go through 2 to 3
 GV>repeats of same files and not exit and wondered if it was my setup or
 GV>what.

Boyd, it seems this is a fairly wide spread problem.  Can we get a definition
on how the exit signal works?  Depending on how it works, it would probably be
good to repeat it a few times in a few seconds.  The repeats wouldn't hurt
anything as it takes several minutes to recycle the program anyway.

Comments?

D.

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1707
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/24/93 12:58p
Subj: Re: GMD MESSAGES                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RH> Tim wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:
RH> S> I got 29 _TODAY_!  Same ones that came through several days
RH> S> ago... and several days before that!
RH>
RH>    That's odd Tim, I didn't see any of those. The ones I see are
RH>    properly placed in the PCSTATS area.
RH>
RH>    BTW, Your message was FROM: SYSOP so I had to look in the nodelist to
RH>    find who you were. Does your "_echomail_" always say from Sysop?

Wasn't I. <g>  My initials would be TF> not S>.  I don't have the
dish yet.  I won't be ordering until about January 15th.



TRENDS! is coming to Sumner in February.....Be on the lookout!!!

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 1708
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 12/24/93  1:12p
Subj: Take it easy......                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GV> In a message to Terry Blount <11-26-93 20:45> Sysop wrote:
GV>
GV> Sy>  We are all getting them!  From GMD, every day, same messages
GV> Sy>  repeated.
GV> Sy>
GV> Sy>  -Tim
GV> Sy>   * Origin: National Shareware Library (tm)  (1:238/501)
GV>
GV> Who are you??
GV>
GV> By Using the Name SYSOP...
GV> it makes it hard to REPLY to the Right person..
GV>
GV> There are Thousands of other Sysop's who might think that a Reply to
"SYSOP"
GV> was intended for them?
GV>
GV> Regards,
GV> George Vandervort NEC NET382

Just so you all know and maybe some helpful tracking of where the 'real'
message originated from, this messages WAS NOT FROM ME!. <G>

Please don't yell at me and use some fancy NEC tagline with some kind
of authority.  I just read the messages, I am not hooked up to the
Planet Connect service yet nor do I even have th dish yet.

Somehow, I can only think that;
1) Maybe somehow I sent up a duplicate packet to my hub and it went
   through normal channels and you all here got it twice?  That is if
   it was the orginal only as I didn't reply to that message.

2) Someone wrote a message with sysop, but I don't know how folks thought
   the address on the tear line was mine?

If you want to accuse me of something and get a little hostile in
your message writing, then please show me how you came about my
name.  The above quote you give is from a -Tim at (1:238/501).  How
do you get 1:138/165 out of that with a name from me of Tim Fierro?

This message came into me here as Tim Fierro.  My software takes
the TO: Sysop messages and makes them TO: Tim Fierro.

If you to addressed it to Sysop, then you were just telling me not
to do this.  If you were reply to Tim Fierro which is me, then
why are you quoting some other Tim in the above?



TRENDS! is coming to Sumner in February.....Be on the lookout!!!

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From: EMMETT PERDUE                          Number: 1709
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 12/26/93  2:13p
Subj: AREAFIX                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

KK> it all works fine here except i run squish instead of freemail so I
KK> wouldnt know if that is the one loose bolt you're having.

Thanks for the help Ken.....will let you know how it works out...it may
be FREEMAIL causing the problem, there was not that much difference in
your REC setup and mine....we will see.

Emmett
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From: BILL WENZEL                            Number: 1710
  To: JAMES MORRIS                             Date: 12/27/93  9:38p
Subj: WEATHER MAPS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >
 >  Does anyone know the key to being able to look at the
 > weather maps that are coming through.  I have not been able
 > to decompress them.  I am wanting to look at them for my
 > own personal use.
PKUNZIP RADAR.ARC

I had the same problem, they are Zipped not arc'd
Bill

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1711
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/27/93  7:33p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JL>I probally will need help.  Thanks


no problem.

Boy, this one day turn-around on LD echomail is great.  It sure is different
from the old land-line method.   see ya

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 1712
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93  8:07p
Subj: PCUTILS                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 * Message originally:
     From: John Morano
     To  : All
     Date: 12-27-93
     Area: "PCSITES"
 * Forwarded by John Morano using RemoteAccess 2.01/Professional (250 node)

                     Warning!!! Warning !!! Warning!!!

Please be advised that if you are running PCUTILS on your system
some funny things are going to happen on Jan. 1 1994.

Due to a coding error in the program (no it's not a worm ) the
control number that is in CHECK.IDX.....

0000FFFF.THA   34327  FRIDAY    12-24-93
0000FFFF.THB   34327  FRIDAY    12-24-93
               ^^^^^
..... will be incrimented by 31 days instead of the 1 day that
it should.

What this will mean is that the ALL the file enties recieved
before 1-1-94
will be purged from the index on the first CHECK that is run
after midnite, so the files you recieve from midnite on the 1st
until Planet Connect starts the new feed at 8AM will look like
new mail to the program. (massive dups if you toss them)

I wish I had a quick fix for the problem, but I don't, The
original source code for PCUTILS is long gone.

Safest way to work around it is to not run PCUTILS (or the
receiver program) from midnite to 8AM and then before you fire
it up the next morning (if your in any shape for it after the
party <grin>) delete the CHECK.IDX file completely and let it
start new.

Now here's the real pain, on Feb. 1 the thing will get its brain
mixed up again and set the control number back to where it
should be, so at 8AM on the 1st of Feb. (I'm hoping to have PCFU
out before then) you will need to delete the file again and let
it reset.

Sorry for the screw up Guys & Gals but its.........

Only a hobby.... only a hobby.... only a hobby.............   ;-)

John......

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From: DAVE MILLER                            Number: 1713
  To: GLYNN LITTLETON                          Date: 12/26/93 10:15a
Subj: PC without Mulitask                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 GL> Hello All!

 GL> Is anyone using PC without using a multitasker/network?  My net
 GL> just purchased the satellite equip and we're now in the process
 GL> of setting up the computer.  We're trying to run it on a 386sx16
 GL> using DV but it appears this is not going to work as PC is
 GL> continually writting to the hd giving FrontDoor no chance, ie,
 GL> setting ticks 9 to 3 with FrontDoor in the foreground, it takes
 GL> about 30 rings before FD will even answer the phone :(

 GL> Any suggestions?

I run planet connect with DV here and we had to set the TICKs 1 to 1.  Works
great!

Regards , Dave M.


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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 1714
  To: JAMES MORRIS                             Date: 12/27/93  5:49p
Subj: WEATHER MAPS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  Does anyone know the key to being able to look at the
 > weather maps that are coming through.  I have not been
 > able to decompress them.  I am wanting to look at them
 > for my own personal use.

Just need to unzip them.   I at first thought they are ARCed, however later
found out it was ziped.  Don't know why the file extension is .ARC however.

Bill

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1715
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/27/93  1:26a
Subj: Stats Echo                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim Lajoie wrote in a message to All:

TL>     In the Planet Connect Statistics echo, could someone
TL> tell me what the ECHO IN coloum and the NET IN Coloum
TL> represents?

Echomail In and Netmail In?


Regards,
           Robert

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From: BOB SLOWINSKI                          Number: 1716
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/25/93  1:48p
Subj: this echo?                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Just wondering if this echo is active?

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1717
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 12/28/93  1:05a
Subj: WCFF and Big Config's                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> -> WCFF will also work well in conjunction with RAID.  You can use
-> -> -> the entire FILEBONE.NA in the Raid.cfg file, and let RAID
-> -> -> maintain the WCFF.CFG file.  Raid was designed to work with TIC
-> -> -> but the only difference between the TIC.CFG and WCFF.CFG is the
-> -> -> IN vs. INFILES verb.  Raid updates the WCFF.CFG file and adds
-> -> -> file areas only as needed, and my WCFF.CFG has yet to hit 15K.
-> -> -> Latest version of RAID is 1.23 ....
-> ->
-> ->    I'm using Raid 1.23 now. How do you add ALL the files off the
-> ->    bird to WC! with a 15k .CFG file?  I'd like to see your setup.
-> ->    Could you zip up your .CFGs and let me take a peek?
-> ->
-> ->    John...
->
->
-> better yet, make it available for freq....

   Hehehe...Yeah. I just wrote myself a simple batch file to run
   two WCFF.CFG's to catch all the tics comming off the bird until I
   come up with something better or Derek finishes v4.0.

   It's very simple but seems to work well here so far...two full
   tosses. It can be modifed in many ways to save the .tics or .bffs
   if you like. I just check the wcff.log. For those that don't know
   what ticfix is, it deletes the colon after the FROM in the tic
   which is a bug in WCFF when the sender is using an AKA address.
   I use it before and after so my wcff downlinks don't have to use it.
   It's available here as ticfix.zip



:START

C:
CD C:\WC\WCFF
TICFIX C:\FD\FILES
COPY C:\FD\FILES\*.TIC C:\FD\TEMP
WCFF -N
REN WCFF.CFG WCFF3.CFG
REN WCFF1.CFG WCFF.CFG
COPY C:\FD\TEMP\*.TIC C:\FD\FILES
WCFF -N
REN WCFF.CFG WCFF1.CFG
REN WCFF3.CFG WCFF.CFG
DEL C:\FD\FILES\*.BFF
DEL C:\FD\TEMP\*.TIC
TICFIX C:\FD\TICFILES

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1718
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93  1:19a
Subj: Re: OK                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > In the initial paperwork I received, I thought there were some ment
-> > of additonal "services", such as USA Today or Newsbytes...for
-> > an additional cost.  Is this or anything else available yet or
-> > planned to go out over the bird?  If so, any specifics yet?
->
->    We are still waiting for the people at USA Today to get the paper
->    work done.
-> ...Boyd

   Thanks Boyd. Any addition services/features planned? How about
   Boardwatch Mag?

   I'm also finally (maybe) ready to explore this TVagent. Is this
   suppose to be "viewed" only on the receiving site via a "door" or are
   the users suppose to D/L it/something?

   Same questions for the satelite files.

   Thanks!


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1719
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93  1:21a
Subj: Re: 1st Transmit of the d               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > Is this when the new mail starts for the day?  Is any other
-> > new mail sent before 07:45 the next day?  It seems I'm only getting
-> > one toss a day about 11:00am EST. Is this correct?
->
->    Usually everything for the day starts at 7:45. If something import
-> does not go up or a big bundle gets sent up and I have to break it do
-> only time that anything would be added during the day.
->

    Gotcha! Thanks....


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1720
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/28/93  1:25a
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->      FREQ: WCTICK

     Ok..I'll take a peek...thanks.

-> ->      Tried your pcareas file, works nice. How tough would it be to
-> ->      able to delete an area that isn't in Fidonet.na or whatever,
-> ->      1:3615/50 is the uplink to?
->
->      I plan to do this in the next release.  Time is short at the
-> moment, but sometime next weekend (when I return from a trip) I'll ad
-> the code.  It will also be automated if commandline parameters are
-> provided!

     It all sounds great Chuck, thanks.


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1721
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/28/93  1:28a
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> JL>     I've followed your problem with dupes here. I noticed the sam
-> JL>     problem with WM. To fix it I had to set the dupe checking to
-> JL>     least 40,000 before my system would delete them (that's how m
-> JL>     come through before mine comes back). Does Gomail have a sele
-> JL>     number of messages to check for dupes, can you increase it?
->
->
-> Yes it does and I have it set at 20000 but will increase it.  I
-> did find the bigger one here, one of my downlinks, and am working
-> at getting it corrected.

   This stuff will drive ya nuts, huh? :)


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1722
  To: STEVE PERLO                              Date: 12/28/93  1:37a
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Ola' John
->
-> In a message to Joe Lyda <12/25/93> John Lyon wrote:
->
-> JL>     To fix it I had to set the dupe checking to at
-> JL>     least 40,000 before my system would delete them (that's how m
-> JL>     come through before mine comes back).
->
-> I have mine set at 27,000. Isn't that enough? It seems to take more t
-> to update the DUP file than toss the mail sometimes. Oh well back to
-> drawing board..

    Well WM recommends about 3-4 days worth. I had mine at 30000 but I'm
    getting over 15000 a day. I may still have to up it. My IX and
    DAT files are at 5 megs now. :(   All my WC related DAT & IX files
    are larger than my first (40 meg) hard drive! This in only a hobby,
    yeah right. :)


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1723
  To: JASON BAGINSKI                           Date: 12/28/93  1:55a
Subj: Re: Dupe Loop                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  JL>    I've followed your problem with dupes here. I noticed the sam
->  JL>    problem with WM. To fix it I had to set the dupe checking to
->  JL>    least 40,000 before my system would delete them (that's how
->
-> Yeah, but why aren't the dupes caught before they go up to the bird?

   Because they weren't checked when they came in?


-> It take a load off thounsands of systems if the system feeding all of
-> would trap the dupes.

   That would be nice, but your sending the dupes over the landline
   and then PC would delete them after they made the round once?
   Gets confusing, huh?


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From: BOB SLOWINSKI                          Number: 1724
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/26/93  6:07a
Subj: Satelite feed                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am looking for some information, on this new satelite feed, cost of system,
what is needed involved etc. Can anyone supply me with this info?

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1725
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/27/93  5:01p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello JOE!

23 Dec 93, JOE LYDA writes to GEORGE VANDERVORT:

 JL> Hello George!

 JL> In a message to Joe Lyda <12/22/93> George Vandervort wrote:

 GV>>
 GV>> In a message to Joe Lyda <12-20-93 15:16> Jeff Olesen wrote:
 GV> JO>  ->> Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is

 JL> I fully agree that I should see my sent out mail return.  But
 JL> what I am seeing is it return several times.  Not just my mail


It sounds as if you are not running the PCUTIL or other Dup checking software
before you toss the mail.  Remember that PC sends several (3-5) repeats a day
of each file, including the mail 0000FFFF.??? files.  If you don't delete the
duplicate arcmail bundles before you toss them then you *will* see the same
mail 3 to 4 times.

Dennis

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1726
  To: RICK NASH                                Date: 12/27/93  5:05p
Subj: PDN Planet Connected?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Rick!

22 Dec 93, Rick Nash writes to All:


 RN> I've heard that PDN will be going planet connect. Fact or fallacy?
 RN> Thanks!

Fact.... PDN It is in the process of re-structuring so that it may hatch via
the satellite.  For more info you may contact Janis Kracht at 1:272/38.

Dennis

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1727
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/27/93  5:20p
Subj: Weather Maps                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello JOE!

25 Dec 93, JOE LYDA writes to GEORGE VANDERVORT:

 GV>> I have a file available for Freq or Download called PCX2ICON.EXE
 GV>> (Self-extracting) that converts *.PCX file to RIP ICONS...

 JL> I already have that file and it will do it, however the user
 JL> has to download the icons to view them so I see no improvement
 JL> there ether.  I guess it will be sometime before someone figures
 JL> out how to convert .pcx to .rip.


Considering that PCX format is Bitmapped and RIP format is Vector graphics the
conversion is not easy. (RIP Icons are Bitmaped)

Dennis

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1728
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/27/93  5:24p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Fred!

25 Dec 93, Fred Seibel writes to Dennis Powers:


 ->> Hello Fred!
 ->>
 ->> 22 Dec 93, Fred Seibel writes to Chuck Warren:
 ->>
 ->  FS>> Do ya have something or know of something that will
 ->  FS>> add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??
 ->  FS>> I'm presently using TIC and RAID.
 ->>
 ->> run: "RAID AUTOCREATE"  before Tick gets ahold of the files.

 FS> We are doing that. Something seems to be amiss!!!
 FS> Thanks anyway,

You also need to configure Tick for a default of Passthrough so when RAID
creates new areas it points to the passthrough area.  It's a balancing act
between RAID and TICK. <G>


Dennis

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1729
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/27/93  5:30p
Subj: First files                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

27 Dec 93, Boyd Goodin writes to Dave Osborne:

 BG> @MSGID: 1:3615/50.0 d1e7a923

 >> BTW, what am I missing at the very beginning of the download cycle?  Once

 BG>     Usually it is just the TVLISTING files.

Would it make sense to repeat them at the end of the cycle also?

Dennis

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1730
  To: JAMES MORRIS                             Date: 12/27/93  5:38p
Subj: WEATHER MAPS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello James!

26 Dec 93, James Morris writes to All:


 JM>  Does anyone know the key to being able to look at the weather maps that
 JM> are coming through.  I have not been able to decompress them.  I am
 JM> wanting to look at them for my own personal use.

PKUNZIP *.ARC    <G> sneaky buggers...

Dennis

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1731
  To: JAMES MORRIS                             Date: 12/27/93 10:58p
Subj: WEATHER MAPS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello James!

In a message to All <12/26/93> James Morris wrote:

JM>
JM>  Does anyone know the key to being able to look at the weather maps that
JM> coming through.  I have not been able to decompress them.  I am wanting t
JM> look at them for my own personal use.
Ya do a pkunzip *.arc  it seems someone thought that a .ARC
extention on a .ZIP file would serve some good pourpose, I fail
to see their humor myself.

Joe

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1732
  To: JANIS KRACHT                             Date: 12/28/93 12:10a
Subj: PDN Planet Connected?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > 'Tis fact - I'm working on a backchannel for submissions first so that I
 > can close open hatching a little less painfully.

Yay!  Thank you for the toil and trouble you've gone through with this aspect
of the PDN.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1733
  To: JEFF CAMERON                             Date: 12/28/93 12:20a
Subj: 8086                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I've been setting up the planet connect software on my 8086.  I've
 > noticed that I can receive the files error free, and lose the file as

It's recommended that you put it on a 286 or better.

 > soon as its finished and moved.  I have been able to cure this by NOT
 > viewing Status.  Apparently the planetconnect program is not written as

That was the way that I got it to run on a 286, by turning off the status.

 > efficiently as it could be to accomodate the slower pcs.  I had no
 > problem what-so-ever with the skylink software.My machine runs
 > at 7mhz.   If anything could be done to help out the slow machines,

Wow, mine was at 12.

 > many of my problems could be easily solved.  I do have a math-co..and
 > possibly using that in the programming would help.  THe 16550 chip made
 > no notible difference. Seems the problem was in the Statis View portion
 > eating up vital memory.

The video display is one of the hardest working parts of the program.

From what I can tell, this program was coded with much inline assembly.  This
thing has to handle data coming in at 19.2K raw data flow, so very little time
is left for the video code.  An XT running at 7 MHz...it's just not supposed
to work.  The fact that you're getting it to receive is a very significant
achievement :)

 > The copy protection, date checking has turned out to be a real pain in
 > the ass.  I don't have any slots left to put a clock card in, so I must
 > set the time through the network.  I did have an occasion where a
 > program I ran messed the clock up 12 hrs.  I now must set my clock
 > ahead 12 hours for the program to work.  What can I do (besides another
 > long distance call to Tennesee for a reset code...this is getting
 > expensive) to cure this.

Turn it off for 12 hours.

 > For me, the time copy protection has turned out to be my biggest worry
 > since i must use the time from another computer...one slip-up, and I'm

I must do that too, since something about my machine causes the date not to
flip over at midnight when PC is running.  Every major brand of NOS has a way
to set your current machine's clock according to some server (be it dedicated,
like Novell's, or non-dedicated, like Lantastic's).  Just use it and don't let
anything change the time on your server(s)

 > out of business...and at $40 a month for the service, plus all the
 > nodes I feed...this is a real problem.  Can anything be done to ease
 > this problem?  If not, then I'll return the whole thing until something
 > more suitable to my needs is implemented...At this rate, its more
 > economical to use the phone lines.

Once you get it setup and running, its benefits far outweigh the costs.  You
must realize that all good business investments will incur some high initial
costs.  It's the $200/month savings after you get the system up and running
that make it worth it.  In this net, this system has paid for itself already
and is running in the black.

 >          I really want this thing to work....please help me.  There
 > just is nothing left for me to do personally besides buy another
 > computer....and after the $300 for the receiver, not to mention the
 > dish and parts...and 400 some odd bucks for a year subsciption, why I
 > have to fight all the date copy protect bullshit. It should be easy to

Call it job security :)

 > fix the date thing to be a little more lenient.  I suppose I could
 > shut the thing down for a day...and maybe it'll work again if I reset
 > the clock then to the correct time......but without an 800 # for tech
 > support...this is turning into a real moneypit.

An 800 number would be nice but since they're only charging us $40 per month,
I can't imagine where they'd get the money for that.

Have you tried swapping the XT motherboard for a cheap (less than $50) 286
motherboard?

Good luck getting it to work!

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1734
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93 12:26a
Subj: 1st Transmit of the d                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    Usually everything for the day starts at 7:45. If something important

Can I be a stickler??? <grin>  I still haven't figured out which time zone you
are in, so in future posts of time references, can you put something like:

7:45 CST   or  7:45 EST (It's GOT to be one of those two :)

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1735
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93 12:28a
Subj: NETMAIL                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    Yes once I had it set right. Now I am getting routed netmail to
 > unlisted nodes and you name it. So I guess it is up to everyone to get
 > thier stuff straight now eh?

Hollar at me if anything comes up to you from me that is unlisted.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1736
  To: JAMES MORRIS                             Date: 12/28/93 12:31a
Subj: WEATHER MAPS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >
 >  Does anyone know the key to being able to look at the weather maps that
 > are coming through.  I have not been able to decompress them.  I am
 > wanting to look at them for my own personal use.

Try PKUNZIP :)

See ya                                                Todd

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From: JOHN MCCONNELL                         Number: 1737
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 12/27/93  5:04p
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

well i already tried that and he said that he has been trying to get a
list like that for some time now so no luck there. but if you know of
one please be kind and forward it our way ok
thanks


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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1738
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93  1:29a
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave!

In a message to Boyd Goodin <12/26/93> Dave Osborne wrote:

DO> Thanks Greg,

DO> In a msg on <Dec 25 13:38>, Greg Vandergriff writes:

DO>  GV>I have wondered about this also, I have noticed it go through 2 to 3
DO>  GV>repeats of same files and not exit and wondered if it was my setup or
DO>  GV>what.

DO> Boyd, it seems this is a fairly wide spread problem.  Can we get a defini
DO> on how the exit signal works?  Depending on how it works, it would probab
DO> good to repeat it a few times in a few seconds.  The repeats wouldn't hur
DO> anything as it takes several minutes to recycle the program anyway.

DO> Comments?

Well It was at 1:am 12/28/93 my system got the message to drop to
errorlevel 100 and did so but did a bunc od beeping and carring
on but it looked like it could not find the toss dir or the hold
dir from pcu.cfg I think it gave error 75 but don't hold me to it
cause nothing was logged to a log anf fired up the main program
as though it had processed the files.  Nothing was moved, checked
or anything.  I exited the dude and did a pcutil check3 and all
went fine.
Thought I would pass this grimlin on to you.  It is kinda like
one of my hard drives that run on smoke cause when I let the
smoke out of it it never run again.

Joe

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1739
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 12/27/93  6:29p
Subj: ONE WAY UUCP                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Has anyone testing the PCUSENET found a one-way link for replies
 > back to the "Usenet"?  We're gonna need one as soon as PC completes
 > their testing and starts offering the full UUCP load.

Holonet will.

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 1740
  To: PLANET CONNECT                           Date: 12/26/93  7:08p
Subj: Blank Descriptions                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I noticed that some areas come in with blank descriptions with and without
tabs. Unfortunately this causes problems with the max bbs system. During file
scans the scan halts on a description line composed of blanks and tabs. I am
using the OS/2 version of max but would suspect the dos version to do the same.
Maybe you could add 'No Description' or something besides blanks. I will shoot
a message off in the Muffin echo. Please refer to DN file areas.
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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1741
  To: MIKE PERKINS                             Date: 12/27/93  7:59p
Subj: Pcboard files on the file               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> MP> @SUBJECT:PCBoard Files on the Filekbone

-> Jens Mueller is pushing them that way now.

 MP> Thanks for the info Jim.  My phone bill is big enough
 MP> without having to call out for PCBoard utilities and
 MP> file updates. <grin>

Especially for to zone 2.  Jen's phone bill makes me <shudder>  -:)



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From: JIM WATSON                             Number: 1742
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/27/93  8:00p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> respect), I knew that anything that hit him destined for 3615/50 would
> wind up going direct to you.
 BG>
> Live and learn.  We'll add a few more gray hairs yet -:)
 BG>
 BG>    No you won't. I got grecion formula 16 for Xmas.
 BG>
 BG>

<ROTFL>



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From: RALPH LOBIANCO                         Number: 1743
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93  3:49p
Subj: UUCP and PCboard                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Has anyone setup PCboard with the UUCP Mail bags that are coming in? I
know PCBUUCP will do it but Im trying to avoide the $150.00 price tag by
finding something else that will do it. Maybe once I have it set up
where I can see what the Internet is all about then maybe I can see
forking over $150.00..


Any Suggestions would HELP alot..

Thanks
Ralph

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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 1744
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93  9:52a
Subj: PCUSENET?                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Will someone please explain to me how I can use the PCUSENET packets?  What
processor do I need?  Thanks.

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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 1745
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/27/93  9:54a
Subj: Re: 1st Transmit of the day             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 [%%} Quoting Chuck Warren to All <12 Dec 93  23:19> {%%]

 CW> Was just curious if there's a particular start time each day for the
 CW> new stuff?  Right now I have to drop out of other DV tasks to collect
 CW> SAT data, then bring the nodes back on-line.  Problem is I will
 CW> possibly miss data if I don't start the retrieval quick enough.  I
 CW> tried using 9am and found that I missed some of the first 2-3 bundles
 CW> (QWK) of mail.  I'm not processing that so it isn't a big deal.  So my

I'd like to know this also.  If the dish doesn't have to be pointed at G3 all
day, I can use it for other purposes.


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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 1746
  To: FRANK SALERNO                            Date: 12/27/93  9:57a
Subj: Re: rime                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 [%%} Quoting Frank Salerno to Boyd Goodin <10 Dec 93  18:36> {%%]

 > Any idea on when RIME will start feeding? Thanks! BG
 FS> Hopefully soon! Just waiting on Bonnie.

 FS> ....Boyd


 FS> Please convince her to use your service.  We are a RIME BBS
 FS> and it would be great to pull in the RIME echoes via satellite.  I

How do I get a link to RIME?



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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1747
  To: JEFF CAMERON                             Date: 12/27/93  5:20p
Subj: 8086                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jeff Cameron wrote in a message to All:

JC> I've been setting up the planet connect software on my 8086.
JC>  I've noticed that I can receive the files error free, and
JC> lose the file as soon as its finished and moved.  I have
JC> been able to cure this by NOT viewing Status.  Apparently
JC> the planetconnect program is not written as efficiently as
JC> it could be to accomodate the slower pcs.  I had no problem
JC> what-so-ever with the skylink software.My machine runs at
JC> 7mhz.   If anything could be done to help out the slow

According to the folks at PC they dont recommend running it on anything less
than a 286 with a 28ms or faster HD......I have a feeling you are going to have
to upgrade your hardware.

[e-mail]

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1748
  To: FRANK SALERNO                            Date: 12/26/93 11:06p
Subj: Hyperdisk parms                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Frank Salerno wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

FS> RHbut that didn't seem to make a bit of difference even with
FS>   buffers set at a low 10. I guess I need to read the
FS> Hyperdisk doc's!

FS> If I'm not mistaken.  Hyperdisk docs tell you to set the
FS> BUFFERS=1 Yes, ONE.

Got any ideas why Hyperdisk doesn't save some of the incoming mail bundles from
PC when staged writes are on?

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1749
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93 11:19p
Subj: Re: First files                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 27 00:05>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>    Usually it is just the TVLISTING files.

Good!  Nothing lost then.  :-)

Thanks

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1750
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93 11:20p
Subj: Re: What's this?                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 27 00:04>, Boyd Goodin writes:

> What are the HOLD & HOLD1 files?  There were no where to be found in the
> download areas?  And they certainly would have shut down Tic

 BG>  They are just directories. I broke down one of the bigger mail
 BG>bundles and used two directories to do this in. Thats where they
 BG>came from.

You know these little anomalies drive the tracking software nuts and require
manual intervention to correct.  Nice as it may be, this thing has been far
from automated so far.  Lord help me when I have to hit the road for a few days
or take a vacation.

I know your trying, anything you can do would help.

Happy Holidays,

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1751
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93 11:38p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 27 00:10>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 JD> I'm having alittle trouble connecting to the ISDN line as well, Boyd.

 BG>   You call a 19 second connect to drop off everything trouble?

Coitenly, if it takes 4 tries to make that 19 second connection.

It seems to be a little better in the past couple of days.  <knocking on
simulated wood>

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1752
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93 11:41p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 27 00:13>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   Man you bink guys are die-hards aren't ya.

Heyyyyyyyy, when you got the best, why switch.  :-)

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1753
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93 11:49p
Subj: Re: 1st Transmit of the d               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 27 00:37>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>    I do a complete shutdown prior to moving any inbound files over the
 BG>network to the satellite outbound. This speeds up the process a bit and
 BG>allows me to do a few other things too.

Makes sense.  I don't pretend to understand the process.  Really, by the time
we get to that point of the day we've either got everything or it's gonna be a
manual fix of some sort.  Thank God for PcUtil and/or SkyMail.  :-)

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1754
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93 11:54p
Subj: Re: Problem                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 27 00:41>, Boyd Goodin writes:

> PT exited after cycle completion at about 0740 cst this morning.  It then
> proceeded to go though at least two cycles without ever exiting.  At
> about 1500cst I called Jim to see if it was me or there was an actual
 BG>
 BG>   i dont know what happened those days. Is it working ok now? I
 BG>cant find anything wrong at the uplink. The flag file is being
 BG>sent.

Yeh, worked great today.  Exited every 45 minutes or so... but that was another
problem.  I've got all the logs produced by Skymail indicating exit times.
I'll see if there's any kind of pattern and let you know.  I got a feeling the
flag file was just missing those days.  Is it identificable on the screen?

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1755
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 12/29/93 12:00a
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 25 19:37>, OZZ NIXON writes:

 ON>        I too have noticed that - today it did not exit ever, I
 ON>run a TSR that I ran that counts the cycles, and when it popped
 ON>up a lil bit ago had 1 cycle since 0600est.

No problem.  He caught up today.  Must have rung up about a dozen or so.
<GRIN>

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1756
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93  6:46a
Subj: TVAgent                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Got my copy in the mail yesterday....thanks, but I have a slight
problem.  The shutter door on the disk was damaged making the disk
unusable.  Could I get another copy?  Also, when I received my
hardware/software for PC there was NO receipt.  Could I get that too?

Thanks again, Chuck


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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 1757
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 12/28/93  6:06p
Subj: ONE WAY UUCP                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Holonet will.

Thanks.  I'll check with them about it.

Ed

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1758
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/27/93 11:23a
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 25 19:05>, John Lyon writes:

 JL>I got the same thing, several times before too!  Just check your
 JL>Skymail or PCutil log to see when it was last written to check exit
 JL>times.

I've kept every log from Skymail since I put it up.  Quite a history.  I have
it netmail me the logs after each run.  This non-exiting problem has been
occuring since I turned it on, but I thought it was just my dish alignment.
Guess not after all the responses I've gotten.
  JL>Last week I got about 20 files and no tics, this week I got 20 tics
 JL>and no files. This is becoming a pain.

Very much so, especially after this weekend.  And as of 9am cst this morning,
it hadn't even started the monday file set.  I'm beginning to wonder.

See what happens when Boyd takes a day off.  :-)

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1759
  To: ANYONE                                   Date: 12/27/93 11:27a
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone have any ideas what these File distribution areas are?  They showed
up on the bird over this last weekend.

2-BBS
2-PIC
2-WINDOW

They all contained SDN/SDA files apparently intended for a "2-*" area.  But
they are not on the Filebone.Na list.

D.



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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1760
  To: JERRY DUNLAP                             Date: 12/28/93  8:24p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jerry!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/27/93> Jerry Dunlap wrote:

JD> JL>I probally will need help.  Thanks


JD> no problem.

JD> Boy, this one day turn-around on LD echomail is great.  It sure is differ
JD> from the old land-line method.   see ya

I have had enough of them good old days.  I love the LD phone
bill too.  Lets hope it only gets better.  It surly is better
than 3-5 day and LD call too boot.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Artificial Intelligence: The other guy's opinion.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1761
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 12/28/93  8:27p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/28/93> John Lyon wrote:

JL> -> JL>     I've followed your problem with dupes here. I noticed the sam
JL> -> JL>     problem with WM. To fix it I had to set the dupe checking to
JL> -> JL>     least 40,000 before my system would delete them (that's how m
JL> -> JL>     come through before mine comes back). Does Gomail have a sele
JL> -> JL>     number of messages to check for dupes, can you increase it?
JL> ->
JL> ->
JL> -> Yes it does and I have it set at 20000 but will increase it.  I
JL> -> did find the bigger one here, one of my downlinks, and am working
JL> -> at getting it corrected.

JL>    This stuff will drive ya nuts, huh? :)

You bet ya.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Become a programmer and never see the world!!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1762
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/28/93  8:29p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dennis!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/27/93> Dennis Powers wrote:

DP> Hello JOE!

DP> 23 Dec 93, JOE LYDA writes to GEORGE VANDERVORT:

DP>  JL> Hello George!

DP>  JL> In a message to Joe Lyda <12/22/93> George Vandervort wrote:

DP>  GV>>
DP>  GV>> In a message to Joe Lyda <12-20-93 15:16> Jeff Olesen wrote:
DP>  GV> JO>  ->> Someone is making a dupe loop.  Every message I reply to is

DP>  JL> I fully agree that I should see my sent out mail return.  But
DP>  JL> what I am seeing is it return several times.  Not just my mail


DP> It sounds as if you are not running the PCUTIL or other Dup checking soft
DP> before you toss the mail.  Remember that PC sends several (3-5) repeats a
DP> of each file, including the mail 0000FFFF.??? files.  If you don't delete
DP> duplicate arcmail bundles before you toss them then you *will* see the sa
DP> mail 3 to 4 times.

DP> Dennis
NA not so, PcUtil is the only file mover I use and it does a good
job of not tossing the same file twice.  Frade it is something
elce.  Anyway I had direa today, might have cleaned enough out to
see it now.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Bigomy: one wife too many.  Monogamy: same idea.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1763
  To: BOB SLOWINSKI                            Date: 12/28/93  8:41p
Subj: this echo?                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bob!

In a message to All <12/25/93> Bob Slowinski wrote:

BS> Just wondering if this echo is active?

BS> --- FastEcho v1.30
BS>  * Origin: -=Information Central=- Hermantown, MN (1:282/76)

No it is super active.
Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * DANGER! DANGER! Computer Store Ahead, Hide Wallet.

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1764
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/28/93 11:04p
Subj: WEATHER MAPS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Ya do a pkunzip *.arc  it seems someone thought that a .ARC
 > extention on a .ZIP file would serve some good pourpose, I fail
 > to see their humor myself.

Boyd said that it was due to the fact that the uplink site wouldn't overwrite
a file that had a zip extension with the same filename.  He changed the
extension to arc and it overwrites it perfectly.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1765
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 12/28/93  4:48p
Subj: PCUTILS                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > original source code for PCUTILS is long gone.

Too bad. BUT it is nice to see that I'm not the only one that misplaces source
code. I guess for the price we paid for PCUTILS, can't really complain too much
eh?

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1766
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/27/93  8:37a
Subj: ECHOS                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > JR> Boyd, How about setting up some PC specific ECHOS one for
 > JR> each BBS type. These Echos would only be on the SAT. and
 >
 > But I like having us all here. I have picked up many things from

Robert,
 I sure agree. We don't need YAE (yet another echo) to monitor.

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 1767
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 12/28/93 10:51p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Craig Clark wrote in a message to Roger Morris:

CC> How did you break it up into groups?  I'd like to do
CC> something like for users here to make life easier.

Set flags for the echo groups (A=FIDO, B=IMEX, C=USENET) or for echo tones
(A=software, B=chatter, C=hardware). Then offer the <S>elect option as a mecca
file that takes input to toggle the flags. The result is that only the flagged
groups will show in the available echos listing. Note that the Max control file
uses a general level for readership (e.g. - disgrace) and a specific flag for
visiblility (A=ON=FIDO echos available or A=OFF=FIDO echos not seen).

Example:

CHOOSE.MEC
=============================================================================
[/begin ckoff save cls yellow]
        Everyone has access to the local BBS echos on this System. [LightGreen]
       You can choose to turn on and off any of the network echos
        available on this BBS which include the following:

[LightBlue]    Number  Status     Network Description
[LightMagenta]    ======  ======     ======= ===========[gray] [IfKey]A .
[white]1        [LightRed]ON        [LightCyan]FIDO  (Fidonet
International)[gray] [NotKey]A .   [white]1        [LightRed]OFF
[LightCyan]FIDO  (Fidonet International)[gray] [IfKey]B .   [white]2
[LightRed]ON        [LightCyan]IMEX  (International Mail Exchange)[gray]
[NotKey]B .   [white]2        [LightRed]OFF       [LightCyan]IMEX
(International Mail Exchange)[gray] [IfKey]C .   [white]3        [LightRed]ON
     [LightCyan]FEDNET  (Federal Employee Network)[gray] [NotKey]C .   [white]3
       [LightRed]OFF       [LightCyan]FEDNET  (Federal Employee Network)[gray]
[IfKey]D .   [white]4        [LightRed]ON        [LightCyan]UKEENET  (Local
Port Alberni/Ucluelet Network)[gray] [NotKey]D .   [white]4
[LightRed]OFF       [LightCyan]UKEENET  (Local Port Alberni/Ucluelet
Network)[gray] [IfKey]E .   [white]5        [LightRed]ON
[LightCyan]USENET  (UUCP Newsgroups - K12 Educational Network)[gray] [NotKey]E
.   [white]5        [LightRed]OFF       [LightCyan]USENET  (UUCP Newsgroups -
K12 Educational Network)[gray]

.   [white]0   [LightCyan]Finished Selections ..... Return to the BBS Message
Menu

[yellow]     Enter Network numbers to toggle on/off (12345 or
0=Exit):_[menu]1234560| [choice]1[goto pick1]
[choice]2[goto pick2]
[choice]3[goto pick3]
[choice]4[goto pick4]
[choice]6[goto pick5]
[choice]0[goto done]
[choice]|[goto done]
[goto begin]
[/pick1] [Ifkey]A [KEYOFF]A [goto begin]
[KEYON]A [goto begin]
[/pick2] [Ifkey]B [KEYOFF]B [goto begin]
[KEYON]B [goto begin]
[/pick3] [Ifkey]C [KEYOFF]C [goto begin]
[KEYON]C [goto begin]
[/pick4] [Ifkey]D [KEYOFF]D [goto begin]
[KEYON]D [goto begin]
[/pick5] [Ifkey]E [KEYOFF]E [goto begin]
[KEYON]E [goto begin]
[/done load]
[cls]
[ckon]
                      Regards,
                           Dan W.
===========================================================================

In your MSGAREA.CTL file your entry would look like:

FIDONET ECHO AREA
===========================================================================
Area            6A
        Access          Sysop/A
        Echomail        c:\mail\MSGS\FIDO\VIHUB
        MsgName         VI_HUB
        MsgInfo         Fido : Vancouver Island Hub Sysop Echo
        Type            Squish
        Public Only
End Area
===========================================================================

IMEX ECHO AREA
===========================================================================
Area            6B
        Access          Sysop/B
        Echomail        c:\mail\MSGS\IMEX\REGION81
        MsgName         IMEX.R81
        MsgInfo         IMEX : Region 81 Sysops Echo
        Type            Squish
        Origin          1 Safe Harbour BBS [V32bis/HST/Satellite]
        Public Only
End Area
===========================================================================

USENET ECHO AREA
===========================================================================
Area            6C
        Access          Disgrace/E
        Echomail        c:\mail\MSGS\UNET\TBIZ
        MsgName         TALK.BIZARRE
        MsgInfo         UseNet : Bizarre Discussions (Language Warning)
        Type            Squish
        Origin          5 Safe Harbour BBS [V32bis/HST/Satellite]
        Public Only
End Area
===========================================================================
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From: DAVID WROBEL                           Number: 1768
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/28/93  7:19p
Subj: Re: Areas.bbs & Pc                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>  ->  FS>> Do ya have something or know of something that will
>  ->  FS>> add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??
>  ->  FS>> I'm presently using TIC and RAID.
>  ->>
>  ->> run: "RAID AUTOCREATE"  before Tick gets ahold of the files.
>
>  FS> We are doing that. Something seems to be amiss!!!
>  FS> Thanks anyway,
>
> You also need to configure Tick for a default of Passthrough so when
> RAID creates new areas it points to the passthrough area.  It's a
> balancing act between RAID and TICK. <G>

Ummm...  And just how do you get Tick 2.10 to do that ?!?

[ Dave ]

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 1769
  To: JAMES MORRIS                             Date: 12/28/93  6:34p
Subj: WEATHER MAPS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

James Morris wrote in a message to All:

JM>  Does anyone know the key to being able to look at the
JM> weather maps that are coming through.  I have not been able
JM> to decompress them.  I am wanting to look at them for my own
JM> personal use.

Just unzip them.  They weren't encrypted or password protected the last time I
looked.  They do have an unusual extension for being ZIP files however.

-=- Craig.

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 1770
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 12/28/93  6:40p
Subj: Blank Descriptions                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Sloan wrote in a message to Planet Connect:

DS> I noticed that some areas come in with blank descriptions
DS> with and without tabs. Unfortunately this causes problems
DS> with the max bbs system.

I'm running the DOS version of Maximus and I haven't noticed anything like what
you're describing.  Where exactly are these blank lines and tabs?

-=- Craig.

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 * Origin: -={ Christian Deliverance BBS, Devonshire BERMUDA }=- (1:3658/1)
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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1771
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 12/27/93  4:33a
Subj: Re: internet .BAG files                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim,

 > JJ> > Also - My return mail to Boyd goes out to 1:3615/50 like it
 > JJ> > should, but the
 > JJ> > packets want to originate from 1:3615/51...Is this correct? I
 > JJ> > am using Gecho
 > JJ> > 1.00 and have tried many things to try to get it to send from
 > JJ> > my 1:104/675
 > JJ> > address with no luck?!?

 > JJ>The way you have it setup should work OK, but if it bothers you, try
 > JJ>this..

 > JJ>Go into Gsetup and take out the 1:3615/51 AKA, point Gecho's secure
 > JJ>inbound path  to your Sat. toss directory (it will then not check pkt
 > JJ>destination) and it will bundle mail from you other Z1 address.

 > JJ>If your setup will not allow you to point GE to the sat. as a secure
 > JJ>inbound, go into the AKA matching and force your 1:104/675 address to
 > JJ>be matched with 1:3615/50

 > JJ>John

 > JJ>--- GEcho 1.02/beta+
 > JJ> * Origin: Panther BBS *Wichita Ks* (1:291/11)

 > John, I have had this very same problem... the packets are
 > fine... but
 > when GEcho writes the Arcmail message it uses 3615/51 for the
 > originating address!  ...and 3615/51 isn't in the
 > connections... nor my
 > mailer... only in the GEcho AKA!

Exactly GE is only using it's AKA matching to generate the ARC mail attach.
And it makes absolutly NO DIFFERENCE what origin address the attach has...
It is what is in the .pkt header, ^A path, and seen-bys that makes the
difference.  As long as 1:3615/51 is not in the pkt header, path, or seen-bys
your outbound messages will be processed just fine at the PC uplink.

Your mailer doesn't care WHAT address the ARCmail attach came from either, and
will send to systems defined in your control files...  So you see there IS NO
PROBLEM....  As long as you have told GEcho to not use 1:3615/51 as the ORIGIN
aka or put that address in the seen-by list for the message areas.

Every tosser that I have ever used in the FD IM envor. that did AKA matching
would do the SAME thing....


 > I have posted numerous posts regarding this problem in the
 > GECHO_HELP
 > forum, mostly gone unanswered except one smarty chastising me
 > for
 > complaining about the lack of GEcho support!  To date the
 > only way I
 > have been able to get around this problem is create a
 > username ARCMAIL
 > and send out the packet from ARCMAIL manually using the
 > correct AKA and
 > deleting the one that shows from ARCMAIL 1:3615/51.

Again, it's not really a problem...  Boyd's system could care less what address
is used by your mailer as a file attach, it's concern is WHAT is in the
compressed bundle that you drop off...  So as long as you DON'T have 1:3615/51
in your mailer as an AKA, and you get connected and drop off your bundles, and
they DON'T have 1:3615/51 in the header, path, or seen-bys your in GREAT shape
:)

 > I will try your suggestions...  will let you know the
 > results.  I was
 > terribly happy with GEcho till I hooked up with PC.  I would
 > replace it
 > in a minute... and would have already if the new InterEcho
 > had hub
 > support in it's current version.  I know that there I _WILL_
 > get
 > support.

I read your messages in GEcho_HELP, and don't think it was lack of support, but
rather a lack of understanding of your questions.  In any case, I believe that
whatever tosser you would use in this situation would have close to the same
result...

I've tried all 3 methods here, and all 3 work just fine for what counts...
Getting the bundles to PC and them being procressed by thier system, and also
getting to the bird.

Hope you had a good Christmas, and happy New Year to you and yours...

John

--- GEcho 1.02/beta+
 * Origin: Panther BBS *Wichita Ks* (1:291/11)
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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1772
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/27/93  4:39a
Subj: PC without Mulitask                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Robert,

 > John Johnson wrote in a message to Glynn Littleton:

 > JJ> Hopefully you have the PC connected to a 16550 UART, lock
 > JJ> the port for the PC machine, with the recieve buffer at 8k.
 > JJ> And install a GOOD delayed write cache.

 > Why do you suggest the 8K receive?  T=8192 is not needed.
 > Am I wrong?

You might not...
I did however, it kept my 486/66 running under DV from hanging on the PC
software.  It also allowed my 286/12 to run the PC software under Novell lite
as a sever/client.  Actually I should say that the port locked at 38400, 8k
recieve buffer, and delayed write cache made both machines work without locking
up on the PC software.  Or in DV's case every file not going to the trash can
anymore...  But hey evrybody's system is different, find what works and then
leave it alone :)

John

--- GEcho 1.02/beta+
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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1773
  To: GLYNN LITTLETON                          Date: 12/27/93  4:42a
Subj: PC without Mulitask                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Yes, we're using the 16550 UART with locked port but not the
 > diskcache.
 > Will give it a try.

Hope it works out for you, it did here...  And slowed a little wear and tear on
the drive to boot, since it only writes about every 15-20 blocks instead of
every one...

John

--- GEcho 1.02/beta+
 * Origin: Panther BBS *Wichita Ks* (1:291/11)
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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1774
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/27/93  5:38a
Subj: GEcho                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill,
* In a message originally to Chuck Warren, Bill Wolf said:

 > >->Or anything that will read in a fidonet.n? file, and autoadd those new
 > area
 > > s
 > >->into GEcho..

 > >    I have written one that does it for QuickBBS style
 > > AREAS.BBS.  Give
 > >    me some info on 'P'assthru's for GEcho and I'll add
 > > the code for it!

 > I'm not too familiar with the format of the areas.bbs file,
 > however I exported one via GEcho, and it looks as tho the
 > file doesn't contain any descriptions.

 > GEcho can be setup to use the areas.bbs format, instead of
 > it's own index, but then I'd loose the ability to have the
 > descriptions for when other nodes do a %LIST.

 > I don't know what the GEcho format is, however maybe someone
 > will know in here, and can pass you the info.

I presume that you are trying to get the FIDONET.NA and .NO files into GE's
areamanger?  Until Gerard adds code to auto-add new areas it can be done by the
following.

1st.  Go into gsetup and set the area record sizes big enough to handle all the
area tags you want to import.  Then run Gsetup Index Pack.

2nd.  Setup a FAKE node account in the node manager (1:999/9999) or whatever
and give it the ability to use the %FROM meta command.

3rd.  Setup the uplink manager to use the combined files .NA and .NO with
1:3615/50 as the uplink system.  Then generate a netmail areafix message from
the FAKE node to GE using the +*, it will then add all the areas from the .NA
and .NO files that you currently don't have on your system as passthru.

4th. Disable the uplink manager...

5th.  If you want to add the discriptions, just rename the .NA and .NO files
to the file name of ECHOLIST, and run GCONVERT ECHOLIST.


You can also use the above mentioned program.  Set the index sizes, run GSETUP
index pack.  Run Gconvert to import the areas.bbs, it should set all the NEW
areas as passthru.  Then do #5 above to add discriptions.

John

--- GEcho 1.02/beta+
 * Origin: Panther BBS *Wichita Ks* (1:291/11)
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From: RIC WALSH                              Number: 1775
  To: JOHN DODSON                              Date: 12/07/93  9:59p
Subj: Newcomer! :)                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

Sunday December 05 1993 10:02, John Dodson wrote to All:

 JD> Hello All!

 JD> I finally found the G-4 satellite and began receiving data about 10 days
 JD> ago.  I have a few questions! <g>

 JD> I have a dedicated machine receiving the satellite data, configured as a
 JD> Lantastic server.  This works fine.  I am looking for a way to automate
 JD> the processing of the data.  I have tried running PCUTIL from a
 JD> workstation (which is my BBS) .. but cannot get it to work properly.
 JD> PCUTIL works fine if I take down the satellite software and run it from
 JD> the server.  Any ideas?   Does anyone have a way of dealing with
 JD> incoming satellite data ... without manual intervention! Thanks for your
 JD> help!


I run PC on a workstation on my lantastic network with the following batch
file:


@ECHO OFF
CLS
SET PCU=G:\PLANETC

:START
G:
CD\
CD\PLANETC
PTCCMAIN
IF ERRORLEVEL 700 GOTO TOSS
IF ERRORLEVEL 100 GOTO TOSS
IF ERRORLEVEL 0 GOTO EXIT

:TOSS

REM I have PCUTIL move all of the new files to c:\db\files
REM which is my inbound area for d'Bridge.
REM DB then fins them there and tosses them.

PCUTIL CHECK4

GOTO START

:EXIT

PCUTIL CHECK4

********************************************


Here is my PCU.CFG file.....


BBS_NAME=D.M.U.G. BBS
;
;
SATELLITE_IN=G:\bridge\FIles\
;
;
HOLD_DIR=C:\DB\FILES\
;
;
TOSS_DIR=c:\db\files\
;
;
LOG_DIR=G:\planetc\
;
;
INDEX_DIR=G:\PLANETC\
;
;
UPLD_FILE=G:\SKYDATA\UPLD.LST



Thats it. Drive G is the work station with Planet Connect on it.
Drive C is my line #1 where D'bridge lives.
It is very simple but it works.

Ric

--- D.M.U.G. BBS Dayton OH
 * Origin:  DMUG BBS Dayton,OH  (1:110/69)
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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 1776
  To: JEFF CAMERON                             Date: 12/28/93  8:31p
Subj: 8086 real time clock/cal                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JCThe copy protection, date checking has turned out to be a real pain in
  the ass.  I don't have any slots left to put a clock card in, so I must
  set the time through the network.  I did have an occasion where a
  program I ran messed the clock up 12 hrs.  I now must set my clock
  ahead 12 hours for the program to work.  What can I do (besides another
  long distance call to Tennesee for a reset code...this is getting
  expensive) to cure this.


There is a "No-Slot Clock" that will fit in any 28 pin ROM BIOS socket on your
motherboard.  The EPROM or ROM socket can have the no-slot clock installed and
then the EPROM or ROM piggy-backed into the feed through socket. It costs
$29.95.  I had problems with a Vendex PC that when we upgraded to MS-DOS 3.3
and added another hard drive controller the built-in clock quit working
properly.  The no-slot clock was a simple cheap solution to our XT machine's
clock problem.  It too was out of slots.

Available from
JDR Microdevices
[phone]

Stock Number:  NOSLOT-CLK  $29.95

 * 1st 1.10 #310s * The problem with the future is it turns into the present.


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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 1777
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 12/28/93  8:31p
Subj: Dongle lock & printer                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GVIs there a way to let the dongle do its thing with the printer plugged
  into it and with the power OFF?


        I mentioned a while back that I am running a printer sharing box that
will allow 4 computers to print to one printer.  As long as I leave power on to
the printer sharing box, it doesn't matter if the printer is on or off.  I know
this is an expensive solution, but I had the printer sharing box long before I
got Planet Connect.
         Ideally, someone from Aztec should also offer a little buffer dongle,
that would hook between the dongle and printer.  The buffer dongle would then
have a small wall plug power supply connected to it via a coaxial power
jack/plug.  I'll bet that for what a buffer dongle would cost from Aztec, that
you could buy a printer sharing box.

 * 1st 1.10 #310s * There is no problem that cannot be solved by high
explosives


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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 1778
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 12/29/93  1:16a
Subj: Joining rime                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> How do I get a link to RIME?

If you're connected to Planet Connect, wait till Boyd sends the file
RLY0393.ZIP out over the satellite.

If you NOT connected to Planet Connect (or can't wait) FREQ RLY0393.ZIP from
1:129/161

If you do consider joining RIME, please tell them you heard about it over the
Planet Connect echo.


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From: HAROLD CARLSON                         Number: 1779
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/29/93  9:51p
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Anyone, Dave Osborne said:
 DO>Does anyone have any ideas what these File distribution
 DO>areas are?  They showed up on the bird over this last
 DO>weekend.

 DO>2-BBS
 DO>2-PIC
 DO>2-WINDOW

 DO>They all contained SDN/SDA files apparently intended for a
 DO>"2-*" area.  But they are not on the Filebone.Na list.

 DO>D.



Well check last weeks filebone at the end it listed the new areas
for sdn they all started with 2- they are an single line entry.
harold
---
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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1780
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/29/93 11:42p
Subj: Message for the TVAGENT author.         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

From: John Lyon To: Boyd Goodin Date: 28 Dec 93  01:19:21 Subj: Re: OK

JL>   I'm also finally (maybe) ready to explore this TVagent. Is this
JL>   suppose to be "viewed" only on the receiving site via a "door" or are
JL>   the users suppose to D/L it/something?

JL>   Same questions for the satelite files.

Your copy of TV Agent is for your use, but your callers can also
subscribe to TV Agent for $24.95 per year paid to Planet Systems and
download the listings (TVLIST*.ARC) from you. A DEMO version of TV
Agent will be available for you to give your callers Real Soon Now.
Planet Connect subscribers should also already have a copy of
LOCALCHN.ZIP (to customize the listings for your callers' local cable
channels.)

It isn't appropriate for your users to run TV Agent on YOUR machine
because each copy of TV Agent records personal viewing preferences for
99 users.

Did you get the READ.ME file on the diskette every Planet Connect
subscriber should have received recently?

I think the READ.ME and ANNOUNCE.TXT you need has NOT been included in
the TVA101.ZIP which Planet Connect regularly transmits immediately
after each exit. Boyd JUST told me that that version (which landed in
your \SKYDATA\PERSONAL directory, and needs the dongle) has also had
trouble unzipping the listings. Boyd says he is going to quit sending
it. You should all have the undongled (Everlocked) version by now
anyway.

Here's a section from READ.ME:

--------------
DISTRIBUTING THE LISTINGS

The listings are NOT to be passed on to other bulletin boards, but
your callers can use them. A caller to your BBS will download the
TVLIST*.ARC listings from your board, and must subscribe to TV Agent
by paying $24.95 per year to Planet Systems. Callers who have their
own satellite dishes will want the listings as Planet Connect supplies
them to you; but callers who receive the same channels from a local
cable system can also use TV Agent. You can customize the listings (by
using the LOCALCHN.EXE utility Planet Systems supplies) so that they
will show the local cable channel identification (instead of the
satellite location) and include only the channels available locally.

--- DB 1.54/004770
 * Origin: Planet Connect Satellite Uplink. Newport Tn. SATU. (1:3615/50)
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From: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                       Number: 1781
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/30/93 12:02a
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

To the PLANET CONNECT poeple:

                      Insufficient Disk Space

See this warning???  THAT is what my system told me today when it tried
to copy files from my hold directory to my tossing directory.  Do you
want to knop WHY I got this warning????


===== BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AT PLANET CONNECT ADDED ABOUT 20 MEGS   ======
===== OF FILES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE RUN.  IT TOOK THREE EXTRA ======
===== HOURS TO GET THE FILES ON MY HARD DRIVE, AND THEN THESE    ======
===== FILES CROWDED OUT ALL THE FIDONET MAIL, FILEBONE AND TIC   ======
===== FILES, WHICH I ENDED UP LOOSING!!!!!!!!!!!                 ======


   Please guys, I think you need to know something about us FidoNet
net echo coordinators.  We contracted with Planet Connect to get our
mail.  I think that most of your customers are FidoNet people or send
mail to them.  THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR OPERATION TO US IS THE
*(&*()&^& MAIL FILES.  Secondary is the Filebone files.  And least on
the list are a bunch of files that don't have any TIC files with them
that are placed AT THE HEAD OF THE LIST so they can effectively CROWD
OUT the files we MOST WANT!!!!!!

  If you HAVE to place totally unknown files on the system and tie it up
for ANOTHER 6 hours, PLEASE place these files at the END of the run so
at least we echo coordinators get our jobs done.  NOT EVERYONE is on a
network and can easily pull off files from a hard drive.  Are you guys
trying to squeeze us little guys out of the BIG PICTURE, or what????
I had 40 megs free hard drive space and it STILL wasn't enough for all
the files that were sent down from the sky Wednesday.

   Gees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


   Rudolf Rothmeund, NC/NEC net 2440


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1782
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/29/93 12:35p
Subj: 1st Transmit of the d                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Can I be a stickler??? <grin>  I still haven't figured out which time
-> are in, so in future posts of time references, can you put something
->
-> 7:45 CST   or  7:45 EST (It's GOT to be one of those two :)

    FYI, he is in EST.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1783
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/29/93 10:34p
Subj: Hints w/LANtastic AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Looking for some help.  I currently have a 386dx40 that runs 2-nodes
under DV 2.42.  I have purchased LANtastic AI and a 386sx33 to be used
with the SAT.  What is the best way to set this stuff up so that when
all SAT data is in, the 386dx40 can process it.  I know there are
problems with DV 2.42 being a server, so I'm looking for some proven
methods!

Thanx, Chuck


--- WM v3.10/91-0206
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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 1784
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/29/93  1:23p
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Does anyone have any ideas what these File distribution areas are?  They
 > showed up on the bird over this last weekend.

Sat feed only of SDN.

 > 2-BBS
 > 2-PIC
 > 2-WINDOW

There have been messages on it for a while now. There was even a file sent
about it.

 > They all contained SDN/SDA files apparently intended for a "2-*" area.
 > But they are not on the Filebone.Na list.

Yes it is in the filebone.na have another look. Do a search on 2-WINDOW and you
will find the info you are asking about.


TTYL
      Laz

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1785
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 12/29/93  2:29p
Subj: WEATHER MAPS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/28/93> Todd Lyons wrote:

TL>  > Ya do a pkunzip *.arc  it seems someone thought that a .ARC
TL>  > extention on a .ZIP file would serve some good pourpose, I fail
TL>  > to see their humor myself.

TL> Boyd said that it was due to the fact that the uplink site wouldn't overw
TL> a file that had a zip extension with the same filename.  He changed the
TL> extension to arc and it overwrites it perfectly.

That is fine by me, knew there was a good reason,  anayway I have
no problem with them.  Good graphics but just too big for a daily
dl for most users.

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Hardware: The part you kick.

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From: TONY HONAKER                           Number: 1786
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/29/93  9:51p
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Does anyone have any ideas what these File distribution areas are?  T
-> showed up on the bird over this last weekend.
->
-> 2-BBS
-> 2-PIC
-> 2-WINDOW
->
-> They all contained SDN/SDA files apparently intended for a "2-*" area
-> they are not on the Filebone.Na list.


Look athe Fido filebone.na for Dec. 24,1993 and it will tell you
everything about it...

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 1787
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/29/93 10:34p
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Osborne wrote in a message to Anyone:

DO> Does anyone have any ideas what these File distribution
DO> areas are?  They showed up on the bird over this last
DO> weekend.
DO> 2-BBS
DO> 2-PIC
DO> 2-WINDOW
DO> They all contained SDN/SDA files apparently intended for a
DO> "2-*" area.  But they are not on the Filebone.Na list.

They are now - check your latest list.

-=- Craig.

--- timEd-B9
 * Origin: -={ Christian Deliverance BBS, Devonshire BERMUDA }=- (1:3658/1)
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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1788
  To: DAVID WROBEL                             Date: 12/30/93 12:31a
Subj: Areas.bbs & Pc                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello David!

28 Dec 93, David Wrobel writes to Dennis Powers:

 >> You also need to configure Tick for a default of Passthrough so when
 >> RAID creates new areas it points to the passthrough area.  It's a
 >> balancing act between RAID and TICK. <G>

 DW> Ummm...  And just how do you get Tick 2.10 to do that ?!?

Well... you don't.  I mis-spoke myself and confused them with some other
software I have been working with.  Sorry for the confusion.

-><-Dennis

--- GoldED 2.40
 * Origin: The Uncanny - X - Board Wolcott,Ct [phone]  (1:141/1135)
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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1789
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/29/93 11:04p
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->   JL>Last week I got about 20 files and no tics, this week I got 20 t
->  JL>and no files. This is becoming a pain.
->
-> Very much so, especially after this weekend.  And as of 9am cst this
-> it hadn't even started the monday file set.  I'm beginning to wonder.

    It's Wed night now and the files today contained almost 50 files
    with no tics.

-> See what happens when Boyd takes a day off.  :-)

   I'm not sure if he shouldn't take a few more :)


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1790
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/29/93 11:24p
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Does anyone have any ideas what these File distribution areas are?  T
-> up on the bird over this last weekend.
->
-> 2-BBS
-> 2-PIC
-> 2-WINDOW
->
-> They all contained SDN/SDA files apparently intended for a "2-*" area
-> they are not on the Filebone.Na list.


    SDN remaned ALL their areas. You got a file over the bird a week ago
    SDNJAN94  or something like that that describes the new names. I
    beleive it is also mentioned in the fidonet.na  although they won't
    be actually listed until Jan 1.


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From: HECTOR MANDEL                          Number: 1791
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 12/29/93 10:21p
Subj: Disk !!!                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 28 13:13>, Fred Seibel of 1:107/615 writes:

 FS> HI BOYD!!!

 FS> Ahhhh, have a "slight" problem.
 FS> The present you put in that envelope, well,
 FS> seems like the USPO did there best.

 FS> Got here in several pieces!

 FS> Never saw a 3.5 in disk get beat up like that.

 FS> Seems that the post marking machine cought it square
 FS> in the metal shutter.

 FS> CRUNCH!!

 FS> Can't find the spring.

 FS> I did get it to install on a system for
 FS> me, but I'd really like get one "intact".

 FS> Guess I'll send it back to ya.

 FS> Fred.

That's what mine looked like when I received it a while back.  I figured they
removed the slider to damage the disk so the software could identify it as THE
original disk ... don't worry, it works without the slider.  :):)

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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 1792
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/30/93  9:31p
Subj: DV                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I'm still having problems with the pc software stalling under desqview.  Here
is more of what I tried, and the settings:

486 dx2-66mhz running at 76mhz.   16 megs of ram.
16550 UARTS on both serial ports.

BBS is running on COM2, PC on COM3 IRQ5.

Using X00 and locking the BBS com port only.  Tried locking Both ports, and
still no change.

Optimized Communications is off.  Uses Serial Ports is off. Maxed memory in
both windows.  (around 480-490k).

I've tried using seperate Command.Com for both BBS & PC, or just PC, or just
BBS.  Still no change.

I've tried using BNU, and locking the ports again.  Still No luck.

My Ticks are 1:1

I've checked and double checked my ptccmain.ini file, to make sure that my sky*
information was correct, as per to the docs.   SKYFIFO=TRUE.   And my Fifos are
maxed out under my fossil drivers.

increased the receive buffer in the fossil drivers.

increased the write delay in my cache software.

When running X00 for the fossil driver, the bbs com port was locked at 115.2k.
With BNU I was only able to lock at 57.6k.

Nothing else is running in the background - except the BBS (FD 2.20a.ml, and
RA2.1), and PC current version.

The stalling doesn't occur with heavy cpu usage.  This is known.  However I
can't figure out exactly at what point the stalling starts.  It can go for a
few hours, or at times a few minutes with out stalling.

My batch file for pc, is simple.  bascially exactly the same as the batch file
given with the software, with the exception that I'm running SkyMail, and I
create a fd semaphore file, to invoke the regular tossing/scanning routines.

by stalling I mean that the software no longer is 'getting' incoming data.
However there is data coming in, as the data light flickers as it should, and
my signal is strong.  In order to get rid of the stalling, I have to exit out
of the PC software, and start the batch file up again, and it'll work.  Again
for a random amount of time.

If anyone can think of anything that I left out, or have ANY suggestions,
please let me know.  I'm just getting tired of this stalling business, and
having to wait all day to receive all my files for the day, instead of getting
them in one cycle.

Thanks,
Bill     [phone]  Voice...

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 1793
  To: STEVE PERSO                              Date: 12/29/93  3:05a
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Steve

SP>I have mine set at 27,000. Isn't that enough? It seems to take more
SP>time to update the DUP file than toss the mail sometimes. Oh well
SP>back to the drawing board..

Isn't this loads of fun?

You going to be able to come down Sat 8th for the noon Mediate meeting,
beer, and some of Mr Gatti's Pizza??  We've got that reserved room.

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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 1794
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/29/93  7:17p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > JD> Boy, this one day turn-around on LD echomail is great.  It sure is
 > differ
 > JD> from the old land-line method.   see ya
 >
 > I have had enough of them good old days.  I love the LD phone
 > bill too.  Lets hope it only gets better.  It surly is better
 > than 3-5 day and LD call too boot.

I assume that we will have 1-day turnaround on all mail from systems that are
direct-connected to Planet.  That number is approaching 1/3rd to 1/2 of fidonet
in the USA so it looks great to me.

see ya

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From: MIKE LESTER                            Number: 1795
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 12/30/93  1:27p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rudolf Rothemund wrote in a message to All:

RR>    Gees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RR>    Rudolf Rothmeund, NC/NEC net 2440

 Pssst Mister, ya wanna by a BIG hard drive? Approx .50 per meg...New
 (Bseg)

 I got in trouble not because of "lack of space", but for tardy mail.
 i know where your comming from...

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From: JASON BAGINSKI                         Number: 1796
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 12/30/93 12:04p
Subj: Re: What the HELL@!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RR>  If you HAVE to place totally unknown files on the system and tie it up
 RR>for ANOTHER 6 hours, PLEASE place these files at the END of the run

Is the software smart enough to recognize that a packet coming in is a mail
bag?  If so, then it should be able to ignore anything but a mail bag and you
should be able to shut off anything but mail flow, if its becoming such a
problem...

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From: TONY HONAKER                           Number: 1797
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 12/30/93  7:46p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> To the PLANET CONNECT poeple:
-> ===== OF FILES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE RUN.  IT TOOK THREE EXTRA ====
-> ===== HOURS TO GET THE FILES ON MY HARD DRIVE, AND THEN THESE    ====
-> ===== FILES CROWDED OUT ALL THE FIDONET MAIL, FILEBONE AND TIC   ====
-> ===== FILES, WHICH I ENDED UP LOOSING!!!!!!!!!!!                 ====
->    Please guys, I think you need to know something about us FidoNet
-> net echo coordinators.  We contracted with Planet Connect to get our
-> mail.  I think that most of your customers are FidoNet people or send
-> mail to them.  THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR OPERATION TO US IS THE
-> *(&*()&^& MAIL FILES.  Secondary is the Filebone files.  And least on
-> the list are a bunch of files that don't have any TIC files with them
-> that are placed AT THE HEAD OF THE LIST so they can effectively CROWD
-> OUT the files we MOST WANT!!!!!!
->
->   If you HAVE to place totally unknown files on the system and tie it
-> for ANOTHER 6 hours, PLEASE place these files at the END of the run s
-> at least we echo coordinators get our jobs done.  NOT EVERYONE is on
-> network and can easily pull off files from a hard drive.  Are you guy
-> trying to squeeze us little guys out of the BIG PICTURE, or what????
-> I had 40 megs free hard drive space and it STILL wasn't enough for al
-> the files that were sent down from the sky Wednesday.
->
BITCH BITCH BITCH... Always something.... My net wants the files.. Not
the messages..If you only have 40 megs free then you almost have no
business being a NEC. What do you do when your hub went down for a day
or two??? Delete the messages??? This thing is going to get bigger so I
suggest you rip off a few files to free up some space or slap another HD
in the old box... When I joined PC I seen way beyond just that day and
made proper plans it.. Seems that you are the one that didn't make the
proper plans.. What you going to do when we get 50 megs of Usenet mail..

Tony Honaker

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From: TONY HONAKER                           Number: 1798
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/30/93  7:52p
Subj: Hints w/LANtastic AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Looking for some help.  I currently have a 386dx40 that runs 2-nodes
-> under DV 2.42.  I have purchased LANtastic AI and a 386sx33 to be use
-> with the SAT.  What is the best way to set this stuff up so that when
-> all SAT data is in, the 386dx40 can process it.  I know there are
-> problems with DV 2.42 being a server, so I'm looking for some proven
-> methods!
->

I run a 486/33 server connected to 2 386/40 via lantastic.. Running DV
only on the nodes.. PC runs on dedicated machine that I also run all my
utilities from.. Have no problems at all can run DV and multi task the
hell out of it with no problems at all... I like to keep my Server free
as much as possible so I don't do anthing on it that I can do on the
workstation.. Running dos 6.20  DV 2.60 Qemm 7.03 AE2 cards. System
runs like clockwork...

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From: GARY HEDBERG                           Number: 1799
  To: RALPH LOBIANCO                           Date: 12/30/93  9:35a
Subj: UUCP and PCboard                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ralph,
UUPCB by Ed Hopper is less expensive tha PCBUUCP. I'm using Hoppers
program right now but I get my inbound mail from a difference satellite
dish (PageSat)

Gary
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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 1800
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/30/93  9:21a
Subj: TVAgent                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Chuck!

28 Dec 93 06:46, Chuck Warren wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 CW> Got my copy in the mail yesterday....thanks, but I have a slight
 CW> problem.  The shutter door on the disk was damaged making the
 CW> disk unusable.  Could I get another copy?  Also, when I received


I had the SAME problem! the disk was damaged...

Brian

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 1801
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/30/93  9:21a
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

28 Dec 93 06:46, Chuck Warren wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 CW> Got my copy in the mail yesterday....thanks, but I have a slight
 CW> problem.  The shutter door on the disk was damaged making the
 CW> disk unusable.  Could I get another copy?  Also, when I received

I also had the same problem!


Brian

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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 1802
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 12/30/93 11:57a
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > To the PLANET CONNECT poeple:

 >                       Insufficient Disk Space



 > ===== BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AT PLANET CONNECT ADDED ABOUT 20 MEGS   ======
 > ===== OF FILES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE RUN.  IT TOOK THREE EXTRA ======
 > ===== HOURS TO GET THE FILES ON MY HARD DRIVE, AND THEN THESE    ======
 > ===== FILES CROWDED OUT ALL THE FIDONET MAIL, FILEBONE AND TIC   ======
 > ===== FILES, WHICH I ENDED UP LOOSING!!!!!!!!!!!                 ======


None as it gets re-transmitted?

 >    Please guys, I think you need to know something about us FidoNet
 > net echo coordinators.  We contracted with Planet Connect to get our
 > mail.  I think that most of your customers are FidoNet people or send
 > mail to them.  THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR OPERATION TO US IS THE
 > *(&*()&^& MAIL FILES.  Secondary is the Filebone files.  And least on
 > the list are a bunch of files that don't have any TIC files with them
 > that are placed AT THE HEAD OF THE LIST so they can effectively CROWD
 > OUT the files we MOST WANT!!!!!!


Yes messages are the most important.. but I love getting all these files as
well. I live in a small city of 50K and we have not been able to afford the
long distance costs to carry the areas and files we now have!! I can't express
my appreciation to PC for the job they have done.

It gets to be soo childish seeing all these complaints ...whaa my tic did not
arrive... I got too many files... I got  I got.. I got...


I manually go through the area on a regular basis and do house cleaning. This
way I have a handle on what is happening. I do leave about 75 megs free on my
mail tosser drive though. I learned a long time ago that you need the room.
Even with land lines when I could not connect with my feed for a couple of days
I would get that SOS in the middle of the night when I did connect and I ran
out of room.

 >   If you HAVE to place totally unknown files on the system and tie it up
 > for ANOTHER 6 hours, PLEASE place these files at the END of the run so
 > at least we echo coordinators get our jobs done.  NOT EVERYONE is on a
 > network and can easily pull off files from a hard drive.  Are you guys
 > trying to squeeze us little guys out of the BIG PICTURE, or what????

No they actually put US little guys back in! We would never have grown from 5
nodes to 11 in a month without PC and the low costs. Most people just could not
afford it.

 > I had 40 megs free hard drive space and it STILL wasn't enough for all
 > the files that were sent down from the sky Wednesday.

I for one do appreciate the files. I just have to remember to move them away
from my mail directory so my mailer can do its thing.

So Boyd, I just wanted to say keep up the great work!! And lets keep growing
together. Who knows I may be able to add another line to my system because
people are using it more and more.

(I know this has been brewing for a while... sorry if I am off topic)

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From: MICHAEL PIERCE                         Number: 1803
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/28/93  4:28p
Subj: WEATHER MAPS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On <27 Dec, 22:58>, JOE LYDA wrote to JAMES MORRIS :

JL> Ya do a pkunzip *.arc  it seems someone thought that a .ARC
JL> extention on a .ZIP file would serve some good pourpose, I fail
JL> to see their humor myself.
JL>
You might try PAK E *.ARC and see what happens too :-)


                               <* Michael *>

MRTG: The road to to success is always under construction..

*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
| Mike's Mansion            | FidoNET: 1:105/81.5      EchoNET: 50:5017/81.5
| Cooking Files & Recipes   | BBS: [phone] [300/1200/2400/9600/14.4k]
| InterNET: [e-mail]
*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 1804
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/30/93  4:05p
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->Does anyone have any ideas what these File distribution areas are?  They show
->up on the bird over this last weekend.

->2-BBS
->2-PIC
->2-WINDOW

->They all contained SDN/SDA files apparently intended for a "2-*" area.  But
->they are not on the Filebone.Na list.

  Read SDNSYSOP if you carry it....they are SDN areas specific to the
  satellite!

  Chuck


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From: GARY BARR                              Number: 1805
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/30/93  5:34p
Subj: RADIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Any Good or Bad News on picking up the RADIST file echo?

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 1806
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 12/30/93  3:22p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rudolf Rothemund wrote in a message to All:

RR> squeeze us little guys out of the BIG PICTURE, or what???? I
RR> had 40 megs free hard drive space and it STILL wasn't enough
RR> for all the files that were sent down from the sky
RR> Wednesday.

Perhaps you should dedicate more space to such a critical application? Your
suggestion to ensure fido mail files come close to the head of the list but
your assumption that things will remain uniform is unreasonable. Good luck.

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1807
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/30/93 11:51p
Subj: Hints w/LANtastic AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Chuck,
* In a message originally to All, Chuck Warren said:

 > Looking for some help.  I currently have a 386dx40 that runs
 > 2-nodes
 > under DV 2.42.  I have purchased LANtastic AI and a 386sx33
 > to be used
 > with the SAT.  What is the best way to set this stuff up so
 > that when
 > all SAT data is in, the 386dx40 can process it.  I know there
 > are
 > problems with DV 2.42 being a server, so I'm looking for some
 > proven
 > methods!

The one thing I will suggest to you is to upgrade your DV to 2.62, it will run
as a server under AI or Novell Lite then...

John

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1808
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/31/93 12:06a
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!
Hey I appriciate all the .tics you sent out with the games.  Only
one problem with them.  Ya forgot to feed them and the died befor
they got here.  My children apriciates seeing the games come in.
What net are the from and I will pass them on to fill up someone
elces HD with them.<G>

Happy New Year and May the Year coming up be a bit easier on the
hair color. <G>

Joe

 * WCE 1.10/2107 * Sometimes you just have to say 'What the heck'

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From: CHARLIE CARTER                         Number: 1809
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/30/93  8:00p
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > 2-BBS
 > 2-PIC
 > 2-WINDOW

 > They all contained SDN/SDA files apparently intended for a
 > "2-*" area.  But they are not on the Filebone.Na list.

I found a file in the SDN stuff that indicated that they were changing the area
names no later than January 1.  Those are some of the new names.

<-> Charlie <->

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From: MARK LONG                              Number: 1810
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/30/93  8:35a
Subj: TVAgent                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Boyd Goodin, Chuck Warren said:
CW> Got my copy in the mail yesterday....thanks, but I have a
CW> slight
CW> problem.  The shutter door on the disk was damaged making
CW> the disk
CW> unusable.
My Disk was the same way. I just removed the metal shutter.
It is for protection only.
                                        Mark

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From: DAVID WROBEL                           Number: 1811
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/31/93 12:38a
Subj: Re: Areas.bbs & Pc                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hello David!
>
> 28 Dec 93, David Wrobel writes to Dennis Powers:
>
>  >> You also need to configure Tick for a default of Passthrough so
> when
>  >> RAID creates new areas it points to the passthrough area.  It's a
>  >> balancing act between RAID and TICK. <G>
>
>  DW> Ummm...  And just how do you get Tick 2.10 to do that ?!?
>
> Well... you don't.  I mis-spoke myself and confused them with some
> other software I have been working with.  Sorry for the confusion.

Ummm...  Turns out that someone else responded to my message in NetMail
instead of Echomail - They said you have to make them *ALL* passthru in
order for Tick to 'ADD' areas as passthru when it autocreates.  Still,
this really isn't quite what we were looking for though.

Thanks for the come-back.

[ Dave ]

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1812
  To: FRANK SALERNO                            Date: 12/30/93  5:56p
Subj: 8086 REAL TIME CLOCK/CAL                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > There is a "No-Slot Clock" that will fit in any 28 pin ROM BIOS
 > socket on your motherboard.  The EPROM or ROM socket can have the
 > no-slot clock installed and then the EPROM or ROM piggy-backed into
 > the feed through socket. It costs $29.95.  I had problems with a
 > Vendex PC that when we upgraded to MS-DOS 3.3 and added another hard
 > drive controller the built-in clock quit working properly.  The
 > no-slot clock was a simple cheap solution to our XT machine's clock

Boy does THAT bring back memories. I remember when I had an XT and AT's were
just coming out and were the answer to everyones problems. I was tickled to
death to install my noslotclock, in fact I routinely changed the time and date
for about a month after installing it because it was so much fun to do and such
high tech. Now I get mail via my own personal satellite link. I wonder where
we'll be ten years from NOW....

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1813
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/25/93  6:40a
Subj: Fidonet NodeDiff.A58?                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Something strang is happening..

Friday 12-24-93 I received NODEDIFF.A51 and a Tic file in the morning Downlink

Only Problem is, that is the same NODEDIFF.A51 that was released Friday
12-17-93, this weeks NodeDiff should be NODEDIFF.A58 ??

but it's not in the UPLD.LST or CHECK.IDX

Regards,
George Vandervort

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From: ERVIN JAY                              Number: 1814
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 12/25/93  1:02a
Subj: Fancy Schnancy Netmail                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tim!

 >> 3831/100, 229/15 and 271/27  routing two of these netmail 'round and
 >> 'round the atmosphere........ Can they be stopped

 TJ> Yep............ Tim Jacobs -

Hmmm, missed this msg, Tim.... :))

Thanks....

                        Merry Christmas

Cheers, Ervin

... A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking.

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From: MICHAEL REEVES                         Number: 1815
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/24/93  9:23p
Subj: WCFF and Big Config's                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

L>WildUUCP is working very well here, even tosses faster than
  >WildMail.  Its been able to handle every type of Newsgroup packet
  >sent out by Boyd so far.  Only one small glitch found with the
  >message numbering when imported into WildCat, and OCR is aware of
  >the oversight.  Should be fixed soon.
DL>Dean
DL> * WCE 1.10/2034 *
DL>--- WM v3.10/91-0052
  > * Origin: The DataStream * Peoria,IL * 309-688-7713 H16/V.32b

Agree. For the Wildcat sysops out here, give Wilduucp a try. I've been
very impressed with it. The tossing speed is very fast and the setup is
easy to follow.


Mike

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1816
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/25/93  6:47p
Subj: Re: AREAS.BBS & PC                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


In a message to Fred Seibel <12-24-93 23:54> Chuck Warren wrote:
CW>  ->    Do ya have something or know of something that will
CW>  ->add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??
CW>    I personally use AllFix, but will try to work it up for Tick as
CW>  well.
CW>    Once I get some info on AllFix structures (?) then I will proceed.
CW>
CW>    Merry Xmas
CW>    Chuck

Hi Chuck,

I tried your PCAREAS on my QUICKBBS AREAS.BBS file and it worked great..

Regards,
George Vandervort

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1817
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/25/93  6:52p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hello Fred!
->
-> 22 Dec 93, Fred Seibel writes to Chuck Warren:
->
->  FS>     Do ya have something or know of something that will
->  FS> add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??
->  FS> Right now, the only way I know of is to do it by hand.
->  FS> Anyone out there that can point me in the right direction???
->  FS> I'm presently using TIC and RAID.
->
-> run: "RAID AUTOCREATE"  before Tick gets ahold of the files.
->
-> Dennis

Hi Dennis,

We are doing that. Something seems to be amiss!!!
Thanks anyway,
Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1818
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/25/93  6:53p
Subj: AREAS.BBS & PC                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ->    Do ya have something or know of something that will
-> ->add new TIC areas as passthrough to a TIC CFG file??
->
->   I personally use AllFix, but will try to work it up for Tick as wel
->   Once I get some info on AllFix structures (?) then I will proceed.
->
->   Merry Xmas
->
->   Chuck
->

Thanks Chuck,
I have gotten several tips.
I'm looking at ALLFix and SEAL just came down off the dish.
Since I use SQUISH, I'll look at that too.

Thanks Again,
Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1819
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/25/93  8:28p
Subj: Seasons Greetings!                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
->     From everyone here at Planet Systems Inc., we would like to wish
->     each and everyone a very merry christmas and best wished for the
->     upcoming new year! Now I am off to take a well deserved day off!
->
->
-> ...Boyd
->

WORK!!! Back to WORK!!!!
NO DAYS OFF!!!!

:)

Have a HAPPY AND A MERRY, Boyd.
Take Care,
Fred Seibel


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1820
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/25/93  8:33p
Subj: Problem                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Not sure if anyone else saw this today or not.  If it was just me, th
-> got problems.  <sigh>
->
-> PT exited after cycle completion at about 0740 cst this morning.  It
-> proceeded to go though at least two cycles without ever exiting.  At
-> 1500cst I called Jim to see if it was me or there was an actual probl
-> said he'd check and let me know.  I never heard back but at 1600cst,
-> on it's own.  I have thought it might have skipped exits before, but
-> very it.  This time I watched at least two cycles of the same files c

AHHH !!!! So I'm not the only one to see that!!!
Yup, had that happen here too.
I finally brought PC down at at about 2pm eastern time, and
forced a manual event.

->
-> Is the exit signal part of a file?  A filename? Or some sort of contr
-> on the link?  Is it easy to miss or possibly error out?

Good question.

->
-> Also, I've got about 26 orphaned Tic files left over.  They were also
-> the UPLD.LST, so something happened between you and the uplink.  Luck
-> were not anything I pass on so no great loss.

I think that was mentioned a day or so back.
Seems the TIC messages got "lost".
Guess the bird did a back flip and the signal
got sent toward the moon!!   :)!!



->
-> Merry Christmas.... remember, that's a holiday.  :-)

YUP!
And the same to you and yours.
Fred


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From: ROBERT WHITT                           Number: 1821
  To: GLYNN LITTLETON                          Date: 12/25/93  9:37p
Subj: PC without Mulitask                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glynn!

In a msg of <22 Dec 93>, Glynn Littleton writes to All:

 GL> Is anyone using PC without using a multitasker/network?  My net

I have used it under plain DOS & am running the current version under a network
- never had a problem in either environment. I don't have any pointers to give
you on plain DOS, as I had no troubles. I have run the software with both
HIMEM.SYS and QEMM386.SYS with no glitches.

 GL> continually writting to the hd giving FrontDoor no chance, ie,
 GL> setting ticks 9 to 3 with FrontDoor in the foreground, it takes
 GL> about 30 rings before FD will even answer the phone :(

I have always used 1 to 1 ticks on every system I've ever run DV on (including
an old 286/12) without trouble. While I have never used the satellite software
on DV, you will notice degredation when you take your performance away from 1-1
on anything running at or above 16mhz on many machines.

Robert

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1822
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 01/01/94 12:31a
Subj: DV                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 30 21:31>, Bill Wolf writes:

 BW>by stalling I mean that the software no longer is 'getting'
 BW>incoming data.  However there is data coming in, as the data
 BW>light flickers as it should, and my signal is strong.

Yep, Uart buffer overrun.  You're running into a situation where interupts are
being disable for too long.  Try reducing, instead of increasing the write
delay on your disk cache.  Could be too much data is building up which keeps
the disk busy too long.  In fact I turn write caching off on my system handling
the PC link.  Didn't need it anyway.

It's a shot.  :-)

D.

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From: ROBERT KOHLER                          Number: 1823
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 01/01/94 12:37a
Subj: disk space...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Rudolf!

Thursday December 30 1993 00:02, Rudolf Rothemund wrote to All:

 RR> To the PLANET CONNECT poeple:

 RR>                       Insufficient Disk Space

 RR> See this warning???  THAT is what my system told me today when it tried
 RR> to copy files from my hold directory to my tossing directory.

[stuff deleted]

 RR> I had 40 megs free hard drive space and it STILL wasn't enough for all
 RR> the files that were sent down from the sky Wednesday.

Just food for thought, at 19.2kb we could receive over 200MBytes each day.
There wouldn't be any time left for repeats... so it isn't likely to happen
tomorrow.

40MBytes just isn't enough free space.

ttfn
Robert

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 1824
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/01/94 12:22p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Randy Blackmond to All <=-

 RB> I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.* FIDO
 RB> packets lately... I thought maybe it was a garbled reception problem,
 RB> but I requested one of the bad packets via landline from PC and it was
 RB> bad too! Is anyone else seeing this? I've had 5 bad packets in the
 RB> last four days and that's a LOT of mail to be losing...

It's not just you - I've been getting the same thing.  Hope Boyd finds
what the problem is soon.

-=- Craig.


... "What?!? This isn't the Files section?!?"
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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1825
  To: TONY HONAKER                             Date: 12/31/93  1:12p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

     On Thursday December 30 1993, TONY HONAKER writes to RUDOLF ROTHEMUND:

Hello TONY!

 TH> BITCH BITCH BITCH... Always something.... My net wants the files.. Not
 TH> the messages..If you only have 40 megs free then you almost have no
 TH> business being a NEC. What do you do when your hub went down for a day
 TH> or two??? Delete the messages??? This thing is going to get bigger so I
 TH> suggest you rip off a few files to free up some space or slap another HD
 TH> in the old box... When I joined PC I seen way beyond just that day and
 TH> made proper plans it.. Seems that you are the one that didn't make the
 TH> proper plans.. What you going to do when we get 50 megs of Usenet mail..

Please Tony, there are quite enough echos in fidonet where people are slagging
eachother.  Can you spare us planet connect users of the above sort of diatribe
in just this echo? Please? is that too much to ask? If you want to insult the
guy, netmail him,  I'm not keen on seeing it here and I'm sure others arent
either.

Happy New Year, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Friday December 31 1993

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1826
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 01/01/94  1:29p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

[munch]

 > that we in net 2440 are using for mail is a 286 with a 105 meg

[munch, munch]

This is not meant as a flame.

To be reasonable, the PC folks when announcing their service made it clear that
they believe the hardware requirements were substantial. Indeed, the first msgs
in TVRO stated you should have a 486 with 100 Meg FREE. Now that turned out to
be too pessimistic and my 386/20 works fine with 65 meg devoted to the PC file
flow. It takes religious maintenance, but then I'm the one not following
hardware recommendations.

If your mail processor said it needed a 386 to run adequately and you run it on
a 286, discover the thing grinds for hours to toss mail, would you feel
justified in screaming at the author of the software?

Basically, we've been warned that the service is demanding -- either hardware
or regular maintenance. So we really have no place crying foul. I do understand
your situation, but perhaps you should be examining other solutions. If you
would like advice on how to cope with such large volumes, I am confident there
are many helpful people here willing to give some tips.

Right off the bat, I'd suggest you stop holding files for *any* nubmer of days
for file request on you mail server. Instead get some of the folks in your net
to act as file hubs and move those files off right away. Let the files for file
request and let the mail server, as the most important objective of your net
(you said, not me), be clear.

This is an administrative fix, but on a dedicate machine, it is almost certain
to work.

.glenn.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1827
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/01/94  1:09p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Randy!

In a message to All <12/31/93> Randy Blackmond wrote:

RB> I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.* FIDO packe
RB> lately... I thought maybe it was a garbled reception problem, but I reque
RB> one of the bad packets via landline from PC and it was bad too! Is anyone
RB> seeing this? I've had 5 bad packets in the last four days and that's a LO
RB> mail to be losing...

Randy to my knowledge, I have not seen any.  But if it occurs as
I kknow a manual pkunzip or even a pkzipfix and manual unzip will
get the .pkt's out and they can be normally tossed, at least most
of them.  Might want to use a good disk utility and see if you
don't have a flakey sector on the HD somewhere that when
something is written to it goes ok but not when read from.  Just
a thought.

Joe

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From: CHARLIE CARTER                         Number: 1828
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/01/94  3:54p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
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 > I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.*
 > FIDO packets lately... I thought maybe it was a garbled
 > reception problem, but I requested one of the bad packets via
 > landline from PC and it was bad too! Is anyone else seeing
 > this? I've had 5 bad packets in the last four days and that's
 > a LOT of mail to be losing...

Same here  :-(

<-> Charlie <->

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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1829
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/01/94  7:30p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Randy,

* In a message originally to All, Randy Blackmond said:

 > I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the
 > 0000FFFF.* FIDO packets lately... I thought maybe it was a
 > garbled reception problem, but I requested one of the bad
 > packets via landline from PC and it was bad too! Is anyone
 > else seeing this? I've had 5 bad packets in the last four
 > days and that's a LOT of mail to be losing...

Yepper's your not alone....   Mostly the LIMBAUGH echo and a few others....

John

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From: STEVE SHAPIRO                          Number: 1830
  To: ALL                                      Date: 12/31/93  6:10p
Subj: Happy New Year                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Wishing you all a Happy & Healthy New Year, one full of Pentiums, Gig drives,
and moster modems.

                                                  Steve - NEC 112
                                                 (and Magnum, too)

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From: MICHAEL PIERCE                         Number: 1831
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 12/31/93  9:26p
Subj: Idea                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On <30 Dec, 21:31>, Bill Wolf wrote to All :

BW> I'm still having problems with the pc software stalling under desqview.
BW> Here is more of what I tried, and the settings:
BW>
BW> 486 dx2-66mhz running at 76mhz.   16 megs of ram.
BW> 16550 UARTS on both serial ports.
do you have external cache? if so, try disabling it and see what happens
thats what the randomness sounds like to me .. a easy way to see if it's
your Cache is fire up windows, go to the control panel, click on "386
manager" and change your virtual memory size.. if its you SRam (cache) it
will freeze up!
BW> If anyone can think of anything that I left out, or have ANY suggestions,
BW> please let me know.  I'm just getting tired of this stalling business,
BW> and having to wait all day to receive all my files for the day, instead
BW> of getting them in one cycle.

what version of DV?


                               <* Michael *>

MRTG: True Headline: Tuna Biting Off Oregon Coast!!

*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
| Mike's Mansion            | FidoNET: 1:105/81.5      EchoNET: 50:5017/81.5
| Cooking Files & Recipes   | BBS: [phone] [300/1200/2400/9600/14.4k]
| InterNET: [e-mail]
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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1832
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 01/01/94  3:30a
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    Please guys, I think you need to know something about us FidoNet
-> net echo coordinators.  We contracted with Planet Connect to get our
-> mail.  I think that most of your customers are FidoNet people or send
-> mail to them.  THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR OPERATION TO US IS THE
-> *(&*()&^& MAIL FILES.  Secondary is the Filebone files.  And least on
-> the list are a bunch of files that don't have any TIC files with them
-> that are placed AT THE HEAD OF THE LIST so they can effectively CROWD
-> OUT the files we MOST WANT!!!!!!
->
->    Gees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
->
->    Rudolf Rothmeund, NC/NEC net 2440

    Now I remember why I dropped FidoNet a year ago!!! Please Rudolf,
speak for yourself! Fido is LAST on MY list and had VERY litte to do
with my subscription to PC. The only possible thing I can think of that
PC MAY have errored on, was perhaps giving us some advanced notice.
HOWEVER, since the Bird CAN send about 160megs per feed, MOST of us
realize the possibility of volume fluctuations.

    Next time, how about TONING it down a tad. Boyd and the folks are
doing a DAMN good job, and remember, you can ALWAYS use the phone to
grab your precious mail!


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 1833
  To: TONY HONAKER                             Date: 01/01/94  3:36a
Subj: Hints w/LANtastic AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> workstation.. Running dos 6.20  DV 2.60 Qemm 7.03 AE2 cards. System
-> runs like clockwork...

    Hey Tony, how the Heck are ya? Anyways, just curious about the QEMM
7.03. Did you have to pay to upgrade from 7.02, which is what I am
running now? If not, where can I grab it?


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1834
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/01/94 11:44a
Subj: 286..                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Todd

In a message to Jeff Cameron <12/28/93> Todd Lyons wrote:


TL> Have you tried swapping the XT motherboard for a cheap (less than $50) 28
TL> motherboard?

Do you know where I can get some of these?

 * WCE 1.10/2008 * If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure


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From: JOHN MCCONNELL                         Number: 1835
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 01/01/94  6:58p
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

boy i swear people assume that myself and the my nec are just bone heads
the planet connect logs show message traffic of up to 200 messages per
conference per day and yes we have sent out messages asking for one
thing and one thing only! some echos listed on the backbone are not
comming over planet connect and all we want is a list of WHAT FIDONET
ECHOS ARE AND ARE NOT CARRIED VIA PLANET CONNECT? IS THAT TO MUCH TO
ASK???? AND IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS SUCH A LIST PLEASE
SEND US A COPY. thanks to anyone who can help


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1836
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/02/94  1:38a
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.* FIDO p
-> lately... I thought maybe it was a garbled reception problem, but I r
-> one of the bad packets via landline from PC and it was bad too! Is an
-> seeing this? I've had 5 bad packets in the last four days and that's
-> mail to be losing...
->

I've noticed a few of them also.


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1837
  To: ROGER MORRIS                             Date: 01/02/94  1:42a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> FS> I get about 14/sec now with a 3 meg hyperdisk.
-> FS> I have to make up several complete duplicates of the
-> FS> entire load.
->
-> Why so many full duplicates?  I keep a backup copy that gets zapped i
-> after session ends.

For my downlinks.
I'm the Nhub for Net 107.
I have two links that take the entire echo maill mess.
The others take from 30 to 70 %

->
-> Are you multitasking?  If not, try bumping that cache up to 6 meg and
-> it does.  Or, try dropping it to 2 meg and creating a 4 meg ramdisk t
-> dupe tracking files.  Just be sure to copy the dupe files off to stor
-> /A works good.

I was using a 6 meg HYPERDISK, but SQUISH was making
and entry in it's log that it didn't have enough memory.
Have cut it back to 3 megs.

Will see how that helps.

Thanks for the reply.
Fred


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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 1838
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 01/01/94  8:01p
Subj: Re: What the HELL@!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Rudolf Rothemund to All ***

RR> To the PLANET CONNECT poeple:
RR>
RR>                       Insufficient Disk Space
RR>
RR> See this warning???  THAT is what my system told me today when it
RR> tried
RR> to copy files from my hold directory to my tossing directory.  Do
RR> you
RR> want to knop WHY I got this warning????
RR>
RR>
RR> ===== BECAUSE THE PEOPLE AT PLANET CONNECT ADDED ABOUT 20 MEGS
RR> ======
RR> ===== OF FILES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE RUN.  IT TOOK THREE EXTRA
RR> ======
RR> ===== HOURS TO GET THE FILES ON MY HARD DRIVE, AND THEN THESE
RR> ======
RR> ===== FILES CROWDED OUT ALL THE FIDONET MAIL, FILEBONE AND TIC
RR> ======
RR> ===== FILES, WHICH I ENDED UP LOOSING!!!!!!!!!!!
RR> ======
RR>
RR>

Relax pal!  My system also crashed because I wasn't expecting the extra
programs but so what!  I enjoyed the extra "bonus" of getting all those great
Apogee games, and I'm sure my users will enjoy them as well.

Sure, the mail was a few hours late, but then again I didn't bother reading the
messages that told it was coming either.  No biggie.

I think if anything, we will see more stuff being added to the feed as the
months go by....you will have to decide what you want, and make sure you have
enough space to temporarily handle the feed while it comes in.

I don't think it's fair to dump on the Planet Connect people for giving us a
treat now and then...you never really have to worry about loosing anyting...its
transmitted over and over all day and night.

Glenn

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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 1839
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/01/94  8:06p
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Randy Blackmond to All ***

RB> I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.*
RB> FIDO packets lately... I thought maybe it was a garbled reception
RB> problem, but I requested one of the bad packets via landline from
RB> PC and it was bad too! Is anyone else seeing this? I've had 5 bad
RB> packets in the last four days and that's a LOT of mail to be
RB> losing...

In a way I was really glad to see your message above, because I've had EXACTLY
the same problem, and I now assume everyone else has too.  I've watched as
those packets get uncompressed and tossed, and some are due to failed CRC
checks and there are several packets within the 0000FFFF.* packs that get
screwed up when they encounter message that are too long, grunged, or with hex
positioning errors.  I haven't figured out yet how to salvage to rest of the
messages in those packets when they get renamed to *.BAD....anyone have any
advice?

So if you are getting the same errors as I am, and we are thousands of miles
apart I'd suspect the problem is at the origin point....not sure if Boyd has
anything in place to check this before it gets sent up to the satellite or
not??

Glenn

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From: RALPH LOBIANCO                         Number: 1840
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 01/02/94  2:00a
Subj: Uucp And Pcboard                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> in the long run, but the other program will get you started to see
-> what it is like and then PCB-UUCP has a conversion program to upgrade
-> from it's competitor.

Thanks thats very helpfull information..

Ralph

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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 1841
  To: JOHN JOHNSON                             Date: 01/02/94  3:38p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

JJ>Randy,

JJ>* In a message originally to All, Randy Blackmond said:

JJ> > I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the
JJ> > 0000FFFF.* FIDO packets lately... I thought maybe it was a
JJ> > garbled reception problem, but I requested one of the bad
JJ> > packets via landline from PC and it was bad too! Is anyone
JJ> > else seeing this? I've had 5 bad packets in the last four
JJ> > days and that's a LOT of mail to be losing...

JJ>Yepper's your not alone....   Mostly the LIMBAUGH echo and a few others....

Obviously a femi-nazi or Clinton/liberal plot!

-Tim


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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1842
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/02/94  5:46p
Subj: Re: Binkley Die Hards                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


In a message to Dave Osborne <12-27-93 00:13> Boyd Goodin wrote:
BG>     Man you bink guys are die-hards aren't ya.
BG>  ...Boyd

Here's the Latest release...

BDOS_259.ZIP  BinkleyTerm 2.59 Wide Beta (DOS)
BOS2_259.ZIP  BinkleyTerm 2.59 Wide Beta (OS/2)
BWNT_259.ZIP  BinkleyTerm 2.59 Wide Beta (NT)
BKLA200I.LZH  BinkleyTerm Log Analyzer v2.00i for 2.59

Regards,
George Vandervort

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From: RICK NASH                              Number: 1843
  To: ROBERT KOHLER                            Date: 01/01/94  9:33p
Subj: disk space...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


-> Just food for thought, at 19.2kb we could receive over 200MBytes each day.
-> There wouldn't be any time left for repeats... so it isn't likely to happe
-> tomorrow.

-> 40MBytes just isn't enough free space.


Hi Robert!

Hmmmm..  I thought PC repeats packets every three hours.  Using your numbers,
that comes to about 25 megs.   Am I missing something here?

    Rick



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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 1844
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/02/94  9:52p
Subj: Idea                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MP>BW> I'm still having problems with the pc software stalling under desqview.

MP>do you have external cache? if so, try disabling it and see
MP>what happens

I was orignally running Norton SpeedCache, and just today, switched back to
Smartdrive.  <eck>.  So far it has been running fine all day.  We'll see
tomorrow morning.  However the system really has slowed down, since switching
back to smartdrive.

It's becoming obvious that I will end up getting a dedicated machine, and some
networking equipment in order to get this running flawlessly.  Unless of
course, there is a OS/2 version around the corner! <grin>

MP>what version of DV?

2.40.  The newer version has problems with RemoteAccess.  Until they have been
fixed, I won't upgrade.

Take Care,
Bill

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 1845
  To: TIM DOWELL                               Date: 01/02/94  8:25a
Subj: TVAgent                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >    Same thing happened here and I'd like to get another copy also.
 >  If ya want the old one back, just lemme know....

Mine was crushed too!  I thought it was just an isolated incident but it looks
like perhaps their local mail handling caused the problem.

Ed

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From: TONY HONAKER                           Number: 1846
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 01/02/94  4:07p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    As for being the NEC, the HUB computer is a dedicated mail system,
-> and is the best that we can come up with.  Who the HELL are you to te
-> us that I have no business being an NEC???  Would you like to donate
-> few hundred meg hard drive (half height would be nice) for us?  Then
-> could meet your humble standard of having the proper system for an NE


Well just maybe you should get the net to buy a larger HD..As far as me
picking in to get it.. NA If you can't think far enough ahead to see
what was going to happen with PC, You would most likey see that even a
couple hundred meg drive would not work.. Although I do see that your
net might be a tad closer than this on.. I bought PC and I only pass one
area to our NC,NEC. Seems like you got a hell of a race motor (PC) but
just dont have a car body to go with it.. Well there is always next race
season.Well maybe the NEC shot was cheap,I'll take that one back. So
hope we all have an great year..

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From: ALEX GUEST                             Number: 1847
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/02/94  3:01p
Subj: No tic files!                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I just looked in my inbound PC directory and find that I've gotten about 40+meg
of files with NO TICS in the last few days. Anybody else having this problem?
The appear to be mostly games.

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From: MICHAEL PIERCE                         Number: 1848
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/01/94 12:46p
Subj: Pkunzip                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On <31 Dec, 09:17>, Randy Blackmond wrote to All :

RB> I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.* FIDO

what version of Pkunzip are you using?


                               <* Michael *>

MRTG: I Made A Mental Note, But Forgot Where I Put It ...

*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
| Mike's Mansion            | FidoNET: 1:105/81.5      EchoNET: 50:5017/81.5
| Cooking Files & Recipes   | BBS: [phone] [300/1200/2400/9600/14.4k]
| InterNET: [e-mail]
*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1849
  To: EMMETT PERDUE                            Date: 01/02/94  1:37p
Subj: Re: AREAFIX                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


In a message to Ken Kavanagh <12-26-93 14:13> Emmett Perdue wrote:
EP>  Thanks for the help Ken.....will let you know how it works out...it
EP>  may
EP>  be FREEMAIL causing the problem, there was not that much difference
EP>  in
EP>  your REC setup and mine....we will see.
EP>
EP>  Emmett
EP>     MegaMail 2.10 #905:A SPITFIRE Support BBS Since 1990
EP>  --- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3
EP>   * Origin: The COLUMBIA Byte House * Andalusia, AL * 205-222-0772 *
EP>  (1:18/2)

I have no problem with AREAFIX, and i'm using FREEMAIL 1.10 alpha-3 too..

the trick is to make too passes with freemail instead on one..

Freemail -ET -X -Q  (Echo Toss)
AreaFix EC
Freemail -NT -X -Q  (Net Toss)

instead of the single pass..
Freemail -ET -NT -X -Q

-+- Binkley 2.59wb
Regards,
George Vandervort

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1850
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 01/02/94 11:53p
Subj: Re: Problem                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> would probably be good to repeat it a few times in a few seconds.  The
> repeats wouldn't hurt anything as it takes several minutes to recycle the
> program anyway.

   Sure. The flag file is the UPLD.LST file but a very special one. It is alwas
at the end of the cycle and I have the uplink program add a few extra things to
the data-stram the the receive program recognizes and exits out. If you happen
to get an error while receiving this file then you would not exit out as the
program has to receive this file intacked before it will process it. Hope this
problem has cleared up/


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1851
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 01/03/94 12:07a
Subj: Re: First files                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG>     Usually it is just the TVLISTING files.

> Would it make sense to repeat them at the end of the cycle also?

  It is repeated. I have the queue at the uplink to basically be 2 cycles. I
place the flag file at the last one on the first cycle. Then it repeats and I
have the queue send out the tvlist and weather files before then next flag
file.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1852
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/03/94 12:07a
Subj: Re: 1st Transmit of the d               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> 7:45 CST   or  7:45 EST (It's GOT to be one of those two :)

   EST.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1853
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/03/94 12:08a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>> thier stuff straight now eh?

> Hollar at me if anything comes up to you from me that is unlisted.

   Naw. Once you got your UUCP site right everything was fine.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1854
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 01/03/94 12:10a
Subj: Re: Problem                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Thought I would pass this grimlin on to you.  It is kinda like
> one of my hard drives that run on smoke cause when I let the
> smoke out of it it never run again.

   I would not know what caysed the problem with PCUTIL. Have to talk with John
on that one.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1855
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 01/03/94 12:10a
Subj: Re: Blank Descriptions                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I noticed that some areas come in with blank descriptions with and
> without tabs. Unfortunately this causes problems with the max bbs system.


   i have no idea what youare talking about. Could you be more specific?

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1856
  To: JIM WATSON                               Date: 01/03/94 12:12a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG>    No you won't. I got grecion formula 16 for Xmas.
> BG>
> BG>

> <ROTFL>

    Like that one do ya? Sometimes being a maritimer has it moments!

...bOYD

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1857
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/03/94 12:13a
Subj: Re: OK                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I'm also finally (maybe) ready to explore this TVagent. Is this
> suppose to be "viewed" only on the receiving site via a "door" or are
> the users suppose to D/L it/something?


   On the Boardwatch thing I am not sure. The tvlisting program will be avaible
to your users thru us. They will download listings from you and us the tvagent
program to view them.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1858
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/03/94 12:17a
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Don't see why this same thing wouldn't work on a dedicated
> multi-tasking 486dx2-66.

> What ya think???

   Wellll like living dangerous? Asking me what I think? :-)

  To be honest I dont have a clue about desqview or any other multi-tasker. Got
a copy of OS2 here sitting in its box.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1859
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/03/94 12:21a
Subj: Re: Seasons Greetings!                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Hmm..... for that, you will work 8 hours extra on Sat with no
> additional pay!!!
> Any further such out bursts, and to that rack with yee!!!

   Hay! Got Xmas and New Years off! My new years resolution is to not work more
than 120 hours a week. That will give me the 48 hours on the week-ends to catch
up on my sleep and get ready for the following monday.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1860
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/03/94 12:23a
Subj: Re: Disk !!!                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> I did get it to install on a system for
> me, but I'd really like get one "intact".


    Ok I know this happened to a few. Everyone that got a damaged disk, please
netmail me with your AD and we will send you another one.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1861
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 01/03/94 12:24a
Subj: Re: What's this?                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I know your trying, anything you can do would help.

   Well hope I took care of that. Mistake on my part.

> Happy Holidays,

   What??? There were holidays? What holidays? Nobody told me about any
holidays.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1862
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 01/03/94 12:27a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Coitenly, if it takes 4 tries to make that 19 second connection.

> It seems to be a little better in the past couple of days.  <knocking on
> simulated wood>

   I removed a piece of duck tape I had holding the SA together. Maybe that did
the trick!

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1863
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 01/03/94 12:27a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> BG>   Man you bink guys are die-hards aren't ya.

> Heyyyyyyyy, when you got the best, why switch.  :-)

   Thats what I keep telling the boss.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1864
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 01/03/94 12:29a
Subj: Re: Problem                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> got a feeling the flag file was just missing those days.  Is it
> identificable on the screen?

   Nope as it is the UPLD.LST with extra data that the software recognizes.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1865
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 01/03/94 12:30a
Subj: Re: TVAgent                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> hardware/software for PC there was NO receipt.  Could I get that too?


    Will do.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1866
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 01/03/94 12:58a
Subj: Re: What the HELL@!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Please guys, I think you need to know something about us FidoNet
> net echo coordinators.  We contracted with Planet Connect to get our

   Now you need to know something about us. We have just as many systems out
there that are not in fido as we do fido-systems. Do not think that we are only
dealing with fido here. Do not think that every file around has a tick with it
either. If you only have a 40 meg HD what if I got 40 megs of files here to
send even with tics. What would you do. Blame us because your HD got full
again? Besides what the *&&$#%$# are you posting this in here. You got a
problem. Take it to netmail or the phone or the PCSITES echo.

> mail.  I think that most of your customers are FidoNet people or send
> mail to them.  THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR OPERATION TO US IS THE
> *(&*()&^& MAIL FILES.  Secondary is the Filebone files.  And least on

   I dont see anywhere in the contract that MAIL files are the most inportant
thing.


> the list are a bunch of files that don't have any TIC files with them
> that are placed AT THE HEAD OF THE LIST so they can effectively CROWD
> OUT the files we MOST WANT!!!!!!

   This is the way it worked out. Please do not tell me what is most important
and what is least. Everyone has their own thoughts on that.

> I had 40 megs free hard drive space and it STILL wasn't enough for all
> the files that were sent down from the sky Wednesday.

   Funny I checked it there was a little over 32 megs go thru that day. You
should of had about 7 megs to spare. Why could you not say "hey Boyd look. The
next time you send stuff can you put tics with them?". I would be more pleasant
and willing to be more carefully. But to blame us because you do not have a big
enough HD is like blaming Ford because your brake pads wore out after 50,000
miles.

.....Boyd


P.S. These are my own thoughts and do not reflect the views of P.S.I.

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1867
  To: JEFF WARD                                Date: 01/03/94  1:00a
Subj: Re: TVAgent                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I've been meaning to let you know about this. I receive the disk with
> TVAgent you sent out, but the shutter door was crsuh off of the diskette
> itself. I'm able to run the disk, but it has no protection. Could I get
> you to send another copy? I can send the old disk back if you wish.
> Later!

    No problem. Now I wonder what the post office's machine looked like after
spitting a few hundred of them thru.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1868
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 01/03/94  1:02a
Subj: RE: PROBLEM                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Questions: Does this warning feature work as described above? Is there
> any reason why it can't display the expiration date right on the screen?
> Was my expiration date truly the 24th of December?

   We will have it in a later version. It should do it 10 days before it
expires. If it did not do it then it was not at the ten day limit yet.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1869
  To: BRIAN HESS                               Date: 01/03/94  1:04a
Subj: Re: TVAGENT                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I also had the same problem!


   Would you like another one or does this one work?

..Bpoyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1870
  To: GARY BARR                                Date: 01/03/94  1:09a
Subj: Re: RADIST                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Any Good or Bad News on picking up the RADIST file echo?

   Not at this time. I explained it all to the FND head of that area in
netmail.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1871
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 01/03/94  1:10a
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> What net are the from and I will pass them on to fill up someone
> elces HD with them.<G>

  We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the sat. BIG
mistake on my part.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1872
  To: TIM DOWELL                               Date: 01/03/94  1:11a
Subj: Re: TVAgent                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Same thing happened here and I'd like to get another copy also.  If ya
> want the old one back, just lemme know....


   Ok...

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1873
  To: RUDOLF ROTHEMUND                         Date: 01/03/94  1:17a
Subj: Re: mail file order                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I see today that the Fido mail is at the head of the upld.lst.
> Thanks!  I do really appreciate that.  It's nice to see all the Fido
> mail files grouped together.

> You folks for the most part do good work, and I do appreciate the
> good job you do.  If it weren't for Planet Connect, a LOT of sysops
> wouldn't be able to afford FidoNet mail.  Thanks!

   Now this is a lot nicer than the previous. I know you take this hobby
serious but you must tone it down a bit if you want to get my full attention.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1874
  To: PAUL GOULET                              Date: 01/03/94  1:19a
Subj: Re: How do you...                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Is there a file that I can FREQ that explains how to start a FDN on
> Planet_Connect, that is not on the Filebone.

   Just send us a netmail with the area names and discription of what type of
files you will be sending along with total monthly volume and I will check it
out.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1875
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 01/03/94  1:21a
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> It's not just you - I've been getting the same thing.  Hope Boyd finds
> what the problem is soon.

   Yep DOS 6. Switched back to 5 and it seems to clear up. Also the bundles
have been going out in a regular size fashion. Still have to wait a while and
see if it chears up on this end.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1876
  To: JOHN MCCONNELL                           Date: 01/03/94  1:24a
Subj: Re: help                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> ECHOS ARE AND ARE NOT CARRIED VIA PLANET CONNECT? IS THAT TO MUCH TO
> ASK???? AND IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS SUCH A LIST PLEASE
> SEND US A COPY. thanks to anyone who can help

   Most accurate way. Take the stats messages and it will list what was moving
and what was not. That would be every area that we send.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 1877
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 01/03/94  1:27a
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> JJ>Yepper's your not alone....   Mostly the LIMBAUGH echo and a few
> others....

> Obviously a femi-nazi or Clinton/liberal plot!

   My motherboard was made by Clinton Electronics!


...Boyd

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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 1878
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/02/94  8:25a
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Robert!

RH> Wow Diane, that doesn't sound like a very intelligent tosser. Isn't there

<Blush>  Being relatively new to Fidonet I had somehow gotten the
impression "dupe loop" meant seeing mail come back into my message
bases that had originated on mine but after talking voice to Boyd
about it, he assured me it was normal for systems on the satellite
to see their own messages again and there was not a way to keep them
from importing so I felt alot better after learning this revelation
knowing there is not anything wronmg with my software or perhaps an
error on my part. :)  Thanks...

                                               ...Di

 * WCE 1.5/2184 * "640K ought to be enough for anybody." -Bill Gates


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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 1879
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/02/94  8:34a
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Randy!

RB> any problems with dupes of any kind that I'm aware of. If you're interest
RB> you can FReq the IMail package from me here at 1:381/70. Info follows:

Thanks, Randy.  See my post to Randy Hilgar.  I am happy to say
the problem took care of itself. :)

                                               ...Di

    * WCE 1.5/2184 * Heart to Heart in Di's Open Forum....


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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 1880
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/02/94  8:38a
Subj: WCFF and Big Config's                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi John!

JL>    Hehehe...Yeah. I just wrote myself a simple batch file to run
JL>    two WCFF.CFG's to catch all the tics comming off the bird until I
JL>    come up with something better or Derek finishes v4.0.

I had to do the same thing.  Any word when v4.0 is due out?

                                             ...Di

 * WCE 1.5/2184 * ... Modems.....reach out and BYTE someone!


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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1881
  To: JOHN MCCONNELL                           Date: 01/02/94  1:27p
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Mcconnell wrote in a message to Ken Kavanagh:

JM> boy i swear people assume that myself and the my nec are
JM> just bone heads the planet connect logs show message traffic
JM> of up to 200 messages per conference per day and yes we have
JM> sent out messages asking for one thing and one thing only!
JM> some echos listed on the backbone are not comming over
JM> planet connect and all we want is a list of WHAT FIDONET
JM> ECHOS ARE AND ARE NOT CARRIED VIA PLANET CONNECT? IS THAT TO
JM> MUCH TO ASK???? AND IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS
JM> SUCH A LIST PLEASE SEND US A COPY. thanks to anyone who can
JM> help

You would probably get farther with giving us a list of the echos out of the
current FIDONET.NA and FIDONET.NO that you are not getting.....since we are
supposed to be getting them ALL.

[e-mail]

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From: DAVE MILLER                            Number: 1882
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/02/94  1:01p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RB> I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the
 RB> 0000FFFF.* FIDO packets lately... I thought maybe it
 RB> was a garbled reception problem, but I requested one of
 RB> the bad packets via landline from PC and it was bad
 RB> too! Is anyone else seeing this? I've had 5 bad packets
 RB> in the last four days and that's a LOT of mail to be
 RB> losing...

 Ditto I have been seeing the same problem with the same frequency.



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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1883
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/01/94 10:36p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 31 09:17>, Randy Blackmond writes:

 RB>I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.*
 RB>FIDO packets lately... I thought maybe it was a garbled reception
 RB>problem, but I requested one of the bad packets via landline from
 RB>PC and it was bad too! Is anyone else seeing this? I've had 5 bad
 RB>packets in the last four days and that's a LOT of mail to be
 RB>losing...

Sorry to tell ya, you got a problem on your end my friend.  I haven't seen a
bad packet yet.  If you're getting Zip CRC errors you may have some bad ram.  I
just went through that problem a few weeks ago.  I could unzip the same bundle
on different machines with different results.  Drow me nuts for two days.

D.

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 1884
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/02/94  4:06p
Subj: CRC errors                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Dec 31 09:17>, Randy Blackmond writes:

 RB>I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.*
 RB>FIDO packets lately...

Randy, many apologies, you are correct.  I have about 4 such files, they got
stuck in the processing directory on the workstation instead of the server
where they normally show up.  Sorry for the confusion.  It does appear like a
CRC error on the archiver.

D.


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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 1885
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 01/02/94  8:18a
Subj: Hints w/LANtastic AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CW> under DV 2.42.  I have purchased LANtastic AI and a 386sx33
CW> to be used
CW> with the SAT.  What is the best way to set this stuff up so
CW> that when


You'll have to set the SX33 up as a server, and on the exit from PCTTMAIN
(Errorlevel 100) created a semephore file like DOIT.NOW.

have the nodes on the DX40 scan for that file across the network and if found

1. Delete it
2. Run PCUtils Checkx and port the new files over to the DX40
3. toss them on the DX40

PCUtils can be run on the fly from another node, I do it all the time

John.....

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1886
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 12/31/93  8:37a
Subj: HINTS W/LANTASTIC AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > under DV 2.42.  I have purchased LANtastic AI and a 386sx33 to be used
 > with the SAT.  What is the best way to set this stuff up so that when
 > all SAT data is in, the 386dx40 can process it.

Chuck,
 I run a '386SX with the satellite receiver and use PCUTIL to move the incoming
stuff to the '486 Mail Muncher upon receipt of the "marker file". The -SX just
goes back to receiving again. The Mail Muncher runs Qmail, crunches it all up,
and moves the mail and files to the BBS, another '486 running 10 lines of TBBS
and TIMS. That passes out the mail to my downlinks, including all files that
they've signed up for via RAID, posts the files that I want on my own system
into the BBS download areas, etc.

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 1887
  To: GARY BARR                                Date: 01/01/94  1:23a
Subj: RADIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Gary!

30 Dec 93 17:34, Gary Barr wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 GB> Any Good or Bad News on picking up the RADIST file echo?

from filebone.na

%   --Nov 15 1993
%   RADIST is a Private International File Distribution Network
%   Links are no longer into the filebone.


%    -- Nov 16th 93
%    RADIst has elected to move off of the filebone from what I understand
%    as the result of a non response and refusal of John Souvestre feeding the
%    Satellite to respond to RADist's Originator and Coordinator to not feed
%    the file echoes to the Satellite.

I am very disappoint in Radist and Ronnie Toth..

Thanks,
       Brian

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1888
  To: JOHN MCCONNELL                           Date: 01/02/94  7:03p
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

┌─John!
└──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────[See Below]

01 Jan 94 18:58, John Mcconnell wrote to Ken Kavanagh:

 JM> boy i swear people assume that myself and the my nec are just
 JM> bone heads the planet connect logs show message traffic of up to
 JM> 200 messages per conference per day and yes we have sent out
 JM> messages asking for one thing and one thing only! some echos
 JM> listed on the backbone are not comming over planet connect and
 JM> all we want is a list of WHAT FIDONET ECHOS ARE AND ARE NOT
 JM> CARRIED VIA PLANET CONNECT? IS THAT TO MUCH TO ASK???? AND IF
 JM> THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS SUCH A LIST PLEASE SEND US A
 JM> COPY. thanks to anyone who can help

        Consider it in 1:3621/1's netmail directory dude (people in TN need to
stick together - no , not like the Georgia Family tree >g<!)

From the Nuthouse, OZZ

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1889
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/03/94  3:09a
Subj: File for you...                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

┌─All!
└──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────[See Below]

        Many people have been bitching and complaining that they can not figure
out what type of files are coming over the DISH - well I guess this was written
to help you guys out - or maybe it was getting tiresom reading the bitching...
either way... available for Freq from 1:18/201 and 1:362/201 is the file
FFID.EXE

here is a screen capture:

Find File ID signature Version 0.01a - Oƒƒ the Wall Software 1:18/201
Warning! = (USAGE: FFID <FILENAME>)

FFID returns the following ErrorLevels and Verbage!

FileType - Errorlevel
EXE      - 1
ARJ      - 2
PAK      - 3
LZH      - 4
ARC      - 5
ZOO      - 6
ZIP      - 7
Unknown  - 8
NOT FOUND- 99
NO PARAM!- 100

        It is real simple you can type in FFID 0000FFFF.SU1 and you will get
the message of 0000FFFF.SU1 = ZIP .. but it returns the errorlevel of 7 to DOS
- thus your batchfile can figure out what came in, and do with it whatever you
need. Too many people keep getting so confused by the weather.arc etc. Here is
something that will make it almost idiot proof (I hope).

        Its *FREE* - all I ask in trade is you try it out, if you know of any
file id signatures not listed, then please pass it along! And if you are in
need of any lil' utilities please send me netmail (with full details) of what
you would like written...

From the Nuthouse, OZZ

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From: CLAY TINSLEY                           Number: 1890
  To: ANYONE                                   Date: 01/02/94  4:29p
Subj: PC service                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

     Can someone answer this?

     1)  What is PC sending out over the dish these days?  It started out being
Fidonet Backbone echomail and Filebone file echos - what else?

     2)  Is there any consideration of sending out Fidonet echomail more that
once in a day (like refreshing the mail every 12 hours)?


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From: TIM BELLAART                           Number: 1891
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/02/94  2:59a
Subj: Equipment                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

I've been lurking in this echo for a couple days now. I'm looking forward to
getting my own PC equipment soon so I can join in the FUN but I'm having a
little trouble....

I ordered and paid in full for a C band receiver and software on the last week
of November . The receiver arrived DOA so I returned it the following week.
The last I heard from Dave Smith of Westonia Computer on December 20th was
that there was a delay from the supplier and the receivers where on their way
from Ottawa and should be in Toronto the following day.

To date, Mr. Smith has been very helpful and always returns my calls but I'm
getting a "little" nervous and was just wondering if anyone else out there is
having trouble getting the Planet Connect equipment from the supplier in
Canada.

Hummm, maybe I should have gone with KU equipment? :-)

Tim (hope to be connected soon) Bellaart

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From: TIM BROWN                              Number: 1892
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/01/94  3:16p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RB>I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.* FIDO
RB>packets lately... I thought maybe it was a garbled reception problem,
RB>but I requested one of the bad packets via landline from PC and it was
RB>bad too! Is anyone else seeing this? I've had 5 bad packets in the last
RB>four days and that's a LOT of mail to be losing...

Saw the same errors here... same errors in files freq'd to replace them.
Boyd has a definite ongoing problem with the technical aspect of
providing a reliable feed.  There are obviously no integrity checks
being performed on what's going over the bird, nor a valid contigency
plan.

-Tim


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From: JEFF CAMERON                           Number: 1893
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/01/94  8:29p
Subj: Echomail                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to tell my mail tosser (MSGTOSS) what
address I am so the mail I get from Planet COnnect gets tossed to my
system.  And, do I send response mail back to planet connect?

Also, if anyone else is using msgtoss, I'd sure like to see their
config, and msgtoss.eid

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1894
  To: STEVE PERLO                              Date: 01/02/94 12:56p
Subj: 286..                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TL> Have you tried swapping the XT motherboard for a cheap (less than $50)
 > TL> 286 motherboard?
 > Do you know where I can get some of these?

Asean Computer Technologies Inc--[phone]
      $45 for a 286/12  $55 for a 286/16
Top Data--[phone] for info  [phone] for orders
      $63 for a 386SX/20

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1895
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 01/02/94  5:42p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn!

01 Jan 94, Glenn Vermette writes to Randy Blackmond:

 GV> *** Quoting Randy Blackmond to All ***

 RB>> I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.*

I haven't had any problems with the arcmail bundles (0000FFFF.*).  Check your
end for copy errors, proper version of Pkzip (2.04g)...etc.

 GV> salvage to rest of the messages in those packets when they get renamed to
 GV> *.BAD....anyone have any advice?

As for bad_bndl.000 files (bad *.PKT's) try this:



---------- J:\RBBS\DIR\FMS.DIR
FIXPKT.ZIP      14038  10-16-93  MailPacket fixer
FIXPKT5A.ZIP    15113 11-28-93  Bad Packet/Bad Bundle fixer

It's pretty ruthless in it's operation but it does get most of the mail
recovered.

They are available for Freq from 1:141/1135 @ 28.2V.FC or 1:141/1136 @9600V.32

-><-Dennis

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1896
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 01/02/94  5:40p
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn!

In a message to Randy Blackmond <01/01/94> Glenn Vermette wrote:

GV> *** Quoting Randy Blackmond to All ***

GV> RB> I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.*
GV> RB> FIDO packets lately... I thought maybe it was a garbled reception
GV> RB> problem, but I requested one of the bad packets via landline from
GV> RB> PC and it was bad too! Is anyone else seeing this? I've had 5 bad
GV> RB> packets in the last four days and that's a LOT of mail to be
GV> RB> losing...

GV> In a way I was really glad to see your message above, because I've had EX
GV> the same problem, and I now assume everyone else has too.  I've watched a
GV> those packets get uncompressed and tossed, and some are due to failed CRC
GV> checks and there are several packets within the 0000FFFF.* packs that get
GV> screwed up when they encounter message that are too long, grunged, or wit
GV> positioning errors.  I haven't figured out yet how to salvage to rest of
GV> messages in those packets when they get renamed to *.BAD....anyone have a
GV> advice?

GV> So if you are getting the same errors as I am, and we are thousands of mi
GV> apart I'd suspect the problem is at the origin point....not sure if Boyd
GV> anything in place to check this before it gets sent up to the satellite o
GV> not??

GV> Glenn
Glenn what you are describing, is a Squish mail tosser, if so
there was a file came over the bird a few weeks ago called
FIXPKT5A.ZIP that takes those .BAD files and strips put those
that offend Squish.  If you don't have it it is availible for
freq at the origin line address.

Joe

GV> ---
GV>  * Origin: The Smell Of Bacon II - Shawnigan Lake, BC  CANADA (1:340/1)

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * Coffee sweetened with NO-DOZ...Programmers petro!

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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1897
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 01/02/94 11:47p
Subj: Hints w/LANtastic AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim,
* In a message originally to Tony Honaker, Tim Lajoie said:

 > -> workstation.. Running dos 6.20  DV 2.60 Qemm 7.03 AE2 cards. System
 > -> runs like clockwork...

 >     Hey Tony, how the Heck are ya? Anyways, just curious
 > about the QEMM
 > 7.03. Did you have to pay to upgrade from 7.02, which is what
 > I am
 > running now? If not, where can I grab it?

There are patch upgrades from 7.00 through 7.03.  They are available from most
systems in DVNET, from QOS's BBS, Compuserve, etc...
The one you want is 702to703.zip

John

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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 1898
  To: JOHN MCCONNELL                           Date: 01/02/94 11:55p
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John,

* In a message originally to Ken Kavanagh, John Mcconnell said:

 > boy i swear people assume that myself and the my nec are just
 > bone heads
 > the planet connect logs show message traffic of up to 200
 > messages per
 > conference per day and yes we have sent out messages asking
 > for one
 > thing and one thing only! some echos listed on the backbone
 > are not
 > comming over planet connect and all we want is a list of WHAT
 > FIDONET
 > ECHOS ARE AND ARE NOT CARRIED VIA PLANET CONNECT? IS THAT TO
 > MUCH TO
 > ASK???? AND IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS SUCH A LIST
 > PLEASE
 > SEND US A COPY. thanks to anyone who can help

It's been said numerous times by Boyd, verified by John Solveture ( sothern
star ) that ANY traffic in ANY conference listed in the WEEKLY fidonet.na and
.no files are sent to the bird.  So I can only assume that either there is a
PROBLEM at your system, or Boyd's, or that there is 0 traffic in the areas to
which you are refurring.  Might be a good idea to post of list of the areas YOU
beleive to be NOT on the bird and see whats up...

John

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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1899
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 01/02/94 12:56p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Foxy

In a message to Steve Perso <12/29/93> Foxy Ferguson wrote:

FF> Ola' Steve


FF> You going to be able to come down Sat 8th for the noon Mediate meeting,
FF> beer, and some of Mr Gatti's Pizza??  We've got that reserved room.


I wish I could. We will have to change our dates somehow.. The local
meetings here in C'Ville are also the first Sat of the month (excluding
New Years of course..

                        Steve Perlo
                     Distant Mirror BBS

 * WCE 1.5/2008 * What are you doing?!? The message is over,GO AWAY!


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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1900
  To: JOHN JOHNSON                             Date: 01/02/94  6:36p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

Ola' John

In a message to Randy Blackmond <01/01/94> John Johnson wrote:

JJ> Randy,

JJ> * In a message originally to All, Randy Blackmond said:

JJ> Yepper's your not alone....   Mostly the LIMBAUGH echo and a few others..


Is that where the no traffic echos I'm getting are going? I've been
trying to figure out what was up. I have several echos that I Know are
active not making it thru to me. Hmmmmmmmmm. Hey Boyd got any ideas? BTW
you are the second person to mention that Rush's echo has been
squashed...

                       Steve Perlo
                     Distant Mirror BBS

 * WCE 1.5/2008 * If I throw a cat out the car window, is it kitty litter?


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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1901
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  4:17p
Subj: Re: Problem                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

In a message to Joe Lyda <01/03/94> Boyd Goodin wrote:

BG> > Thought I would pass this grimlin on to you.  It is kinda like
BG> > one of my hard drives that run on smoke cause when I let the
BG> > smoke out of it it never run again.
BG>
BG>    I would not know what caysed the problem with PCUTIL. Have to talk wit
BG> John on that one.
BG>
BG>
BG> ...Boyd
Thanks and Happy New Year.
Joe

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * Artificial Intelligence: The other guy's opinion.

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From: CHARLIE CARTER                         Number: 1902
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  4:36p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >   We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them
 > over the sat. BIG mistake on my part.

Make the same mistake again!  My downlinks thought they were great.

<-> Charlie <->

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1903
  To: JOHN MCCONNELL                           Date: 01/03/94  2:33p
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Saturday January 01 1994, John Mcconnell writes to Ken Kavanagh:

Hello John!

 JM> boy i swear people assume that myself and the my nec are just bone heads
 JM> the planet connect logs show message traffic of up to 200 messages per
 JM> conference per day and yes we have sent out messages asking for one
 JM> thing and one thing only! some echos listed on the backbone are not
 JM> comming over planet connect and all we want is a list of WHAT FIDONET
 JM> ECHOS ARE AND ARE NOT CARRIED VIA PLANET CONNECT? IS THAT TO MUCH TO
 JM> ASK???? AND IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS SUCH A LIST PLEASE
 JM> SEND US A COPY. thanks to anyone who can help

my oh my..with such a tone..what do you expect us to think you are? you ask
newbie questions, we answer with newbie answers. John Souvestre has
stated that the Planet Connect system is hooked up to every fidonet.na and
fidonet.no echo..if such is not the case, detail a list of the echos you are
seeing a lack of traffic in and forward it to Boyd.  Post is here..give us an
actual problem to help you with then you wont be treate like a...<wink>

Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Monday January 03 1994

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 1904
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  2:29p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Monday January 03 1994, Boyd Goodin writes to JOE LYDA:

Hello Boyd!

 >> What net are the from and I will pass them on to fill up someone
 >> elces HD with them.<G>

 BG>   We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the sat.
 BG> BIG mistake on my part.

Boyd, despite the initial shock of it all..(I've now prepared the system for
larger than 20 meg dumps..kinda got used to them :) I do appreciate it and so
have the visiting kids over the holdiday weekend <grin>

theres some good ones in there..but i doubt I'll do very well with the vermont
trivia program..where's vermont?? <smile>


Happy New Year
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Monday January 03 1994

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1905
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  5:13p
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

In a message to Joe Lyda <01/03/94> Boyd Goodin wrote:

BG> > What net are the from and I will pass them on to fill up someone
BG> > elces HD with them.<G>
BG>
BG>   We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the sat.
BG> mistake on my part.
Na it is fine by me here cuz the descriptions were in them and
the children love games.

Keep on pumping em out.

Joe

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * Become a programmer and never see the world!!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1906
  To: RICK NASH                                Date: 01/03/94  5:23p
Subj: disk space...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Rick!

In a message to Robert Kohler <01/01/94> Rick Nash wrote:

RN>
RN> -> Just food for thought, at 19.2kb we could receive over 200MBytes each
RN> -> There wouldn't be any time left for repeats... so it isn't likely to h
RN> -> tomorrow.

RN> -> 40MBytes just isn't enough free space.


RN> Hi Robert!

RN> Hmmmm..  I thought PC repeats packets every three hours.  Using your numb
RN> that comes to about 25 megs.   Am I missing something here?
Na just get a couple of gig hd and give me one.<G>  If PC had a full
feed, all it could transmit in 24 hours is somewhere between 150
- 160 megs of mail and files.  Right now it is only sending files
and mail (fido and other nets) but, sometime this week it will
start transmitting Usenet which will be somewhere near 50 megs.
With that 50 megs plus what we are already getting will be around
70 or so megs daily.  That will allow only 2 cyccles and start
the next day's feed.  We are about to get need deep in it and all
I can say is I am not quite ready yet but will be soon.

Joe

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1907
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  5:43p
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

In a message to Tim Brown <01/03/94> Boyd Goodin wrote:

BG> > JJ>Yepper's your not alone....   Mostly the LIMBAUGH echo and a few
BG> > others....
BG>
BG> > Obviously a femi-nazi or Clinton/liberal plot!
BG>
BG>    My motherboard was made by Clinton Electronics!
BG>
BG>
If it is kin to slick Willey we are for one hell of a ride.

Joe

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1908
  To: DIANE SUMMERS                            Date: 01/03/94  5:45p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Diane!

In a message to Robert Hilgar <01/02/94> Diane Summers wrote:

DS> Hi Robert!

DS> RH> Wow Diane, that doesn't sound like a very intelligent tosser. Isn't t

DS> <Blush>  Being relatively new to Fidonet I had somehow gotten the
DS> impression "dupe loop" meant seeing mail come back into my message
DS> bases that had originated on mine but after talking voice to Boyd
DS> about it, he assured me it was normal for systems on the satellite
DS> to see their own messages again and there was not a way to keep them
DS> from importing so I felt alot better after learning this revelation
DS> knowing there is not anything wronmg with my software or perhaps an
DS> error on my part. :)  Thanks...

Diane permit me to but in her for a moment.  The way a tosser
works it Boyds tosser will toss to 1:3615/15 and his tosser will
put in the Seen By line 3615/15 as having seen it.  Whoever
tossed to him would put 3615/50 in the Seen By line.  Now when we
get the mail it is tossed to 1:3615/15 and my address being
1:3622/1000 should have been in the Seen By but 3615/15 did not
toss it.  What the problem with my net is that I receive the mail
from the bird and toss it using 3615/15 as an aka but my
downlinks never get my address in their tossed mail Seen By line
and it gets tossed right back to me.  What I did was call the
author of my tosser, a registered version, and he wrote me a
special one that puts my address in the Seen By line and the dupe
loop stopped coming back to me from my downlinks.

Hope I made some since with all this.  It is a problem that most
tosser authors need to know about so they can do a simple check
of the Seen By line for the node address and if not present put
it there.

Joe

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 1909
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  5:42p
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Craig Clark:

BG>    Yep DOS 6. Switched back to 5 and it seems to clear up.
BG> Also the bundles have been going out in a regular size
BG> fashion. Still have to wait a while and see if it chears up
BG> on this end.

If you use DOS 6.0's EMM386, disable HIGHSCAN.  It will usually include extra
high memory areas, but on many machines it will include more than it should.
In DOS 6.2, HIGHSCAN is disabled by default with EMM386.

-=- Craig.

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 1910
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  6:24p
Subj: Re: Disk !!!                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Fred Seibel:

BG>     Ok I know this happened to a few. Everyone that got a
BG> damaged disk, please netmail me with your AD and we will
BG> send you another one.

Still waiting for the first one to arrive...

It probably got caught up in the last of the Christmas rush of mail and cards.

-=- Craig.

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1911
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  5:02p
Subj: Re: OK                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > I'm also finally (maybe) ready to explore this TVagent. Is this
-> > suppose to be "viewed" only on the receiving site via a "door" or a
-> > the users suppose to D/L it/something?
->
->
->    On the Boardwatch thing I am not sure. The tvlisting program will
-> to your users thru us. They will download listings from you and us th
-> program to view them.


     Ok Boyd, thanks a lot.


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1912
  To: DIANE SUMMERS                            Date: 01/03/94  5:05p
Subj: WCFF and Big Config's                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hi John!
->
-> JL>    Hehehe...Yeah. I just wrote myself a simple batch file to run
-> JL>    two WCFF.CFG's to catch all the tics comming off the bird unti
-> JL>    come up with something better or Derek finishes v4.0.
->
-> I had to do the same thing.  Any word when v4.0 is due out?

   Derek said beta testing should start this month sometime.
   I wouldn't hold my breath though :)


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1913
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/03/94  8:47p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.* FIDO p
-> lately... I thought maybe it was a garbled reception problem, but I r
-> one of the bad packets via landline from PC and it was bad too! Is an
-> seeing this? I've had 5 bad packets in the last four days and that's
-> mail to be losing...

   Yep! Same problem here.


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 1914
  To: ALEX GUEST                               Date: 01/03/94  9:08p
Subj: No tic files!                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I just looked in my inbound PC directory and find that I've gotten ab
-> of files with NO TICS in the last few days. Anybody else having this
-> The appear to be mostly games.


    Yep! All games. Boyd was nice enough to pump all those out to us.
    They have .DIZ files so they're easy to slap right into your BBS.


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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 1915
  To: DIANE SUMMERS                            Date: 01/03/94  1:55p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Diane Summers wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

RH> Wow Diane, that doesn't sound like a very intelligent tosser. Isn't there

DS> <Blush>  Being relatively new to Fidonet I had somehow
DS> gotten the impression "dupe loop" meant seeing mail come
DS> back into my message bases that had originated on mine but
DS> after talking voice to Boyd about it, he assured me it was
DS> normal for systems on the satellite to see their own
DS> messages again and there was not a way to keep them from
DS> importing so I felt alot better after learning this
DS> revelation knowing there is not anything wronmg with my
DS> software or perhaps an error on my part. :)  Thanks...

I would like to nominate the above as 'The Longest single Sentence in a fidonet
message' for 1994. <grin>

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: BOB SLOWINSKI                          Number: 1916
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/02/94  5:26p
Subj: Planet_Connect                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Anyone have a file I can download to obtain further information about this
setup, which would give me an idea of what I am looking at as far as
equipment, needed, cost, etc.
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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1917
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 01/03/94 10:47p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Sorry to tell ya, you got a problem on your end my friend.  I haven't
 > seen a bad packet yet.  If you're getting Zip CRC errors you may have

Yeah, but when we all experience the same errors on the same files, more than
likely, it's not bad RAM  :)

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1918
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94 10:59p
Subj: New File Area                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, I've just linked into a new area that the Support Site for Intermail has
created.  It's called IMUTIL and will be for InterMail utilities and such.
Any interest in picking that up from me for distribution through the
satellite?

I know what you're going to ask, and NO I don't know how much traffic there
will be in it because we are just starting it, but I don't mind feeding it to
you :)

See ya                                                                  Todd

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1919
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94 10:06p
Subj: BAD MAIL                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

0000FFFF MO1     19562 01-02-94  12:39p
Guess what Boyd.  This file apears to be an archive but it is a
.PKT with an archice extention.
 Renamed it 0000ffff.pkt and it tossed like a champ.
 Joe

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1920
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94 11:05p
Subj: First files                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

03 Jan 94, Boyd Goodin writes to Dennis Powers:

 >> BG> Usually it is just the TVLISTING files.

 >> Would it make sense to repeat them at the end of the cycle also?

 BG>   It is repeated. I have the queue at the uplink to basically be 2 cycles.
 BG> I place the flag file at the last one on the first cycle. Then it repeats
 BG> and I have the queue send out the tvlist and weather files before then
 BG> next flag file.

You guys think of everything [smile]!

-><-Dennis

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1921
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94 11:10p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

03 Jan 94, Boyd Goodin writes to JOE LYDA:


 >> What net are the from and I will pass them on to fill up someone
 >> elces HD with them.<G>

 BG>   We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the sat.
 BG> BIG mistake on my part.

No it wasn't!  IT was a nice Christmas present and a good lesson for those who
are running their systems too close to the edge.  The only thing I could (and
don't) fault you with was prior notification.  However You *DID* let everyone
know.  The vocal ones are usually the ones who complain.  Don't let it get you
down, and don't let it stop you from doing something like that again.

Regards

-><-Dennis

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From: TOM HAAVISTO                           Number: 1922
  To: DIANE SUMMERS                            Date: 01/03/94  4:10p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> <Blush>  Being relatively new to Fidonet I had somehow gotten the
> impression "dupe loop" meant seeing mail come back into my message
> bases that had originated on mine but after talking voice to Boyd
> about it, he assured me it was normal for systems on the satellite
> to see their own messages again and there was not a way to keep them
> from importing so I felt alot better after learning this revelation
> knowing there is not anything wronmg with my software or perhaps an
> error on my part. :)  Thanks...

Well, there IS a problem if you are seeing your messages (again).  What
happens is that you mail goes ou on the satellite, and will come BACK
to you (this is expected).  However, there is some hidden information
called a SEEN-BY line that should have YOUR node number in it.  When
you mail tosser sees this, it should realize it is a dupe, and not
import it.

>Tom<


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From: TOM HAAVISTO                           Number: 1923
  To: TIM BELLAART                             Date: 01/03/94  4:13p
Subj: Equipment                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I ordered and paid in full for a C band receiver and software on the last
week
> of November . The receiver arrived DOA so I returned it the following week.
> The last I heard from Dave Smith of Westonia Computer on December 20th was
> that there was a delay from the supplier and the receivers where on their way
> from Ottawa and should be in Toronto the following day.
>
> To date, Mr. Smith has been very helpful and always returns my calls but I'm
> getting a "little" nervous and was just wondering if anyone else out there is
> having trouble getting the Planet Connect equipment from the supplier in
> Canada.

We order a KU band setup from Dave, and it is up and running just fine.  Hang
in there - he will get you fixed up...

>Tom<


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1924
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94 12:25a
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
-> ...Boyd

What we were talking about was you sending the
EOT file right after the echo mail files are
finished comming down. You then asked what I'd
like for fillers while I was procesing.
I responded that my system would be back up
and ready for the data stream in about 2 to
3 minutes. I shouldn't miss very much in that
short a period of time. And besides, what I miss
I'll pick up on the next send.

The purpose of this is so that the mail
processing system can get started on tossing and
packing the mail while I continue to get the rest
of the days filebone load.

If I'm not clear enough on this, I'd be
glad to call voice.

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1925
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94 12:27a
Subj: Re: Seasons Greetings!                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > Hmm..... for that, you will work 8 hours extra on Sat with no
-> > additional pay!!!
-> > Any further such out bursts, and to that rack with yee!!!
->
->    Hay! Got Xmas and New Years off! My new years resolution is to not
-> than 120 hours a week. That will give me the 48 hours on the week-end
-> up on my sleep and get ready for the following monday.
->
->

To much sleep time!!!

All play and no work makes Boyd a dull programer!!  :)


hehehehe!!
Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1926
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94 12:54a
Subj: Re: Disk !!!                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
-> > I did get it to install on a system for
-> > me, but I'd really like get one "intact".
->
->
->     Ok I know this happened to a few. Everyone that got a damaged dis
-> netmail me with your AD and we will send you another one.
->
->

In an armor platted envelope please.    :)


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1927
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94 12:30a
Subj: Re: What's this?                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > I know your trying, anything you can do would help.
->
->    Well hope I took care of that. Mistake on my part.
->
-> > Happy Holidays,
->
->    What??? There were holidays? What holidays? Nobody told me about a
-> holidays.
->
->
-> ...Boyd
->
HAY!!! You just admitted to me you had TWO days off!!!

You been hitting the cooking sherry???


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1928
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94 12:31a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > BG>   Man you bink guys are die-hards aren't ya.
->
-> > Heyyyyyyyy, when you got the best, why switch.  :-)
->
->    Thats what I keep telling the boss.
->
->
-> ..Boyd
->

 He thinking of getting a new programer???    ;)!!!

OUCH, I felt that!!!

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1929
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94 12:35a
Subj: Re: What the HELL@!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> .....Boyd
->
->
-> P.S. These are my own thoughts and do not reflect the views of P.S.I.
->

Give 'em hell Harry!!!!   hehehe


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1930
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94 12:36a
Subj: Re: TVAgent                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->     No problem. Now I wonder what the post office's machine looked li
-> spitting a few hundred of them thru.
->
->
-> ...Boyd

Sssssshhhhhhh!!!

They might want to send you the repair bill!!!


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1931
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94 12:39a
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > JJ>Yepper's your not alone....   Mostly the LIMBAUGH echo and a few
-> > others....
->
-> > Obviously a femi-nazi or Clinton/liberal plot!
->
->    My motherboard was made by Clinton Electronics!
->
->
-> ...Boyd
->

Pitty YOU!!!!


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1932
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 01/04/94 12:55a
Subj: HINTS W/LANTASTIC AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Chuck,
->  I run a '386SX with the satellite receiver and use PCUTIL to move th
-> stuff to the '486 Mail Muncher upon receipt of the "marker file". The
-> goes back to receiving again. The Mail Muncher runs Qmail, crunches i
-> and moves the mail and files to the BBS, another '486 running 10 line
-> and TIMS. That passes out the mail to my downlinks, including all fil
-> they've signed up for via RAID, posts the files that I want on my own
-> into the BBS download areas, etc.
->

Hi Chuck!!

Now THAT's what I want MY system to be when it grows up!!!

Really, sounds like a GREAT setup.

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1933
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 01/04/94 12:50a
Subj: File for you...                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->         Its *FREE* - all I ask in trade is you try it out, if you kno
-> file id signatures not listed, then please pass it along! And if you
-> need of any lil' utilities please send me netmail (with full details)
-> you would like written...
->
-> From the Nuthouse, OZZ
->

Hi OZZ,
    Maybe you could get Boyd to send it out over the bird??

Fred


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From: JOHN MCCONNELL                         Number: 1934
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  9:15p
Subj: Re: help                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

hey boyd i talked to steve perlo and he said you two were talking and i
think we are all on the same sheet of music now and we should have it
fixed soon thanks for the help

and you might get a sat system out of me when i move to hawaii this
summer i love what you can do with it.

thanks again


--- WM v3.10/92-0433
 * Origin: Distant Mirror BBS!  Clarksville,TN 615-648-1782  (1:3621/1)
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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1935
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 01/03/94  8:58p
Subj: CRC PROBLEMS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Sorry to tell ya, you got a problem on your end my friend.  I
 > haven't seen a bad packet yet.  If you're getting Zip CRC errors you
 > may have some bad ram.  I just went through that problem a few weeks
 > ago.  I could unzip the same bundle on different machines with
 > different results.  Drow me nuts for two days.

I unzipped the bad packets on two different machines, seperated by 4 years in
manufacture and got the same results. Bad CRC.

--- TMail v1.31.5
 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6)
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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 1936
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/03/94 10:29p
Subj: FILES DELETE UTILITY                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I use TBBS which has a feature to 'self-clean' psuedo file directories if a
file does not exist. I'm posting all of the FDN's coming from the bird but
filled up my 400 meg'r pretty quickly. I didn't want to have to manually kill
of files fighting for space so I wrote a utility that will check for file dates
in any number of directories (via a very simple config file) and delete any it
finds 'XX' days old. Each entry allows a seperate 'XX' days old switch and
allows one file (presumably a files.bbs file) to be protected from deletion no
matter how old it is. The utility deletes the files and TBBS cleans up the
files.bbs file automatically. This program is freeware for anybody that wants
it by FREQing   'BYDATE.ZIP' from 288/6. It's still notated as beta version and
will probably remain that way as it works fine for me as it is. This one is
dangerous and I've shot my own foot off more than once testing it but it works
fine for me now. Your milage may vary.

--- TMail v1.31.5
 * Origin: FlatLand BBS Fargo,ND 1-701-239-6048 (1:288/6)
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From: JAMES MORRIS                           Number: 1937
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  5:48p
Subj: RE: SORTING                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Got a copy of OS2 here sitting in its box.
 >

 That sounds like a good place for it to me. }:)  (ducking and rolling)

 James Morris



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From: JAMES MORRIS                           Number: 1938
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  5:56p
Subj: RE: TIC'S                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > > What net are the from and I will pass them on to fill up someone
 > > elces HD with them.<G>
 >
 >   We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the
 > sat. BIG mistake on my part.


 I don't think it was a mistake at all.  I have 1.8 gig of free space here and
the users are going crazy over the new games.  This kind of stuff should pull
in all sorts of new users for me.  Keep up the good work.

 James Morris




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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1939
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/02/94 11:24a
Subj: CRC PROBLEMS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.* FIDO

Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou. I thought it was just me. <<grin>>

When I spot the BAD_ARC.nnn (renamed in that manner by Qmail), I perform a
manual PKUZIP BAD_ARC.nnn and let Qmail toss the resulting .PKT's. The "bad"
one gets trashed, of course, but it's better than losing the whole thing.

--- FLAME v1.0/b
 * Origin: Toledo's TBBS, 10 lines, 100,000 files 313-854-6001 (1:234/2)
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From: JEFF WARD                              Number: 1940
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  5:02p
Subj: TVAgent                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> I've been meaning to let you know about this. I receive the disk with
 >> TVAgent you sent out, but the shutter door was crsuh off of the diskette
 >> itself. I'm able to run the disk, but it has no protection. Could I get
 >> you to send another copy? I can send the old disk back if you wish.
 >> Later!

 >     No problem. Now I wonder what the post office's machine
 > looked like after spitting a few hundred of them thru.

 Have you ever heard the expression "Used Can Opener Blade"?!?! Later and
thanks!

--- GEcho 1.00
 * Origin: * Futura BBS - Planet Connected In NC! [phone] * (1:379/500)
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From: ROBERT KOHLER                          Number: 1941
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 01/04/94 12:36a
Subj: Share the load...                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn!

Saturday January 01 1994 13:29, Glenn Caleval wrote to Rudolf Rothemund:

 GC> Right off the bat, I'd suggest you stop holding files for *any* nubmer of
 GC> days for file request on you mail server. Instead get some of the folks in
 GC> your net to act as file hubs and move those files off right away. Let the
 GC> files for file request and let the mail server, as the most important
 GC> objective of your net (you said, not me), be clear.

 GC> This is an administrative fix, but on a dedicate machine, it is almost
 GC> certain to work.

Even though I have been lucky and have the PC software running under DV, I
learned this right away.

Just as I brought up the satellite, my net's main mail mover crashed and I had
to take on his load also.

The first weekend I sat in front of this #&%^@# machine for 18 of 24 hours and
pushed out almost 200Mbytes/day to others in my net.

I now have 5 dedicated nodes who are acting as first line mail pushers and 6
dedicated nodes acting as file pushers... and they are the only ones allowed to
get mail & files from me.  The other 70 members of my net call them and not me!



Robert

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From: ROBERT KOHLER                          Number: 1942
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94 12:56a
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Monday January 03 1994 01:10, Boyd Goodin wrote to JOE LYDA:

 BG>   We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the sat.
 BG> BIG mistake on my part.

NOT at all!  but the suggestion of a new rule (area) for goodies is a good
idea.  If you have any other goodies... let us know and blast them our way.

ta ta for now
Robert

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From: ROBERT KOHLER                          Number: 1943
  To: RICK NASH                                Date: 01/04/94  1:18a
Subj: disk space...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Rick!

Saturday January 01 1994 21:33, Rick Nash wrote to Robert Kohler:


 ->> Just food for thought, at 19.2kb we could receive over 200MBytes each
 ->> day. There wouldn't be any time left for repeats... so it isn't likely
 ->> to happe tomorrow.

 RN> Hmmmm..  I thought PC repeats packets every three hours.  Using your
 RN> numbers, that comes to about 25 megs.   Am I missing something here?

PC repeats when it runs out of data in the cycle...
If they only had 100 bytes to transfer... there would be lots of cycles <grin>

Boyd would be the best to answer this... but here are some examples of how data
COULD be sent.

assume normal async data = 1 start bit, 8 data bits, 1 stop bit
 i.e. 10 bits = 1 character sent.

at 19,200bps you can get 19,200bps/10bpc = 1920character/sec * 60sec * 60m *
24hrs / 1048576 (bytes per megbyte) = 158.2Mbytes/day

so in normal async serial mode they COULD send 158Mbytes/day (with no repeation
of data, and no ability to correct for error hits)

assuming sync streaming of data (i.e. strip the start and stop bits the numbers
become 2400cps and 197.7Mbytes

This won't happen here because that doesn't leave any margin for errors (signal
drops out etc.)

The simple approach to handle error problems is to just repeat the data stream
as many times as they can in a day... on the assumption that any data
receiption problems were caused by short interuptions so that one of the
repeats should fill in the missing file.

A more complex approach which would allow the provider to send more data is to
use a time domain shifted error correction code.. this would allow the missing
data (caused by for example a plane flying into your line of sight with the
satellite) to be rebuilt on the fly and would allow them to send data without
repeation.

This is much more complex for the software to handle... and may never be used
(or needed) here.

The numbers above totally ignore all of the time required for datastream
maintenance.. such as the errorlevel signal file, the headers for all files
tranmitted etc... but that is a very small overhead, and I think can be ignored
for discussio purposes.. <grin>

The  bottom line is, there is lots of spare bandwidth.. so Planet Connect can
add many more data stream sources (fido, rime,etc)

And as they do, the time between errorlevel drop outs will increase as the
total amount of data transmitted increases... unless they decide to change
their scheme for transmitting the errorlevel dropout file.

I think I just saw Boyd say they transmit the file every other cycle.

Boyd, how about having someone write up some inside details of how the signal
gets from 3615/50 to us... and add it to your list in  skydata/personal.

(by the way Boyd, and all at PSI.. keep up the good work!)

Robert

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From: PHIL MILLER                            Number: 1944
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 01/03/94  1:30a
Subj: Re: What the HELL@!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


On Sat 01-Jan-1994 20:01 thus spake Glenn Vermette unto Rudolf Rothemund:

 GV> Relax pal!  My system also crashed because I wasn't expecting the extra
 GV> programs but so what!  I enjoyed the extra "bonus" of getting all those
 GV> great Apogee games, and I'm sure my users will enjoy them as well.

 GV> Sure, the mail was a few hours late, but then again I didn't bother
 GV> reading the messages that told it was coming either.  No biggie.

 GV> I don't think it's fair to dump on the Planet Connect people for giving us
 GV> a treat now and then...you never really have to worry about
 GV> loosing anyting...its transmitted over and over all day and night.

     Well said Glenn,  my system crashed too, but the "bonus" was well worth
     it.  However, instead of griping about the extra data, I got a bigger
     hard drive for the machine on the network that grabs the mail.

                                           Phil Miller
                                           Net 2201 NEC


... If you don't care where you are, then you can't get lost.

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1945
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  8:29p
Subj: Re: Problem                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Hello Boyd,

Have you Done something to your D'Bridge??

Tonight I got this when Sending in a Nail Bundle..


+ 03 Jan 20:23:57 BINK begin, BinkleyTerm Version 2.59 -uSoft8.0
: 03 Jan 20:24:09 BINK Entering POLL Mode
* 03 Jan 20:24:13 BINK Processing node 1:3615/50 -- Skyboard
: 03 Jan 20:24:13 BINK Dialing 10222-1-615-623-8203
# 03 Jan 20:24:25 BINK Ringing
# 03 Jan 20:24:38 BINK Connect 14400/Arq/V32/Lapm
  03 Jan 20:24:39 BINK Modem protocol negotiation filtered
* 03 Jan 20:25:21 BINK **ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEG
9/999.999)
* 03 Jan 20:25:21 BINK Remote Uses D'Bridge 1.54/004770
: 03 Jan 20:25:21 BINK SysOp: **ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL ACCESS
from **ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL
  03 Jan 20:25:21 BINK Phone: [phone]
  03 Jan 20:25:21 BINK Flags: HST,CM,XX,V42.BIS
! 03 Jan 20:25:21 BINK Called 1:3615/50 and got 999:999/999.999
: 03 Jan 20:25:21 BINK Session method: ZedZap
* 03 Jan 20:25:23 BINK End of WaZOO/EMSI Session
  03 Jan 20:25:27 BINK Received: 0/0 Sent: 0/0 Total: 0/0 CPS: 0
* 03 Jan 20:25:27 BINK Seconds: 46  Tariff: 25  Fee: 25  System: 999:999/999.9
: 03 Jan 20:25:27 BINK Poll completed
: 03 Jan 20:25:43 BINK Executing keyboard shell 7


Regards,
George Vandervort

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 1946
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 01/03/94 12:09p
Subj: Dongle Lock & Printer                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Glenn Vermette wrote in a message to All:

GV> Is there a  way  to  let  the  dongle  do  its  thing  with  the
GV> printer plugged into it and with the power OFF?

 Pick up a data switch box (about 5 bucks)  and  run  through  it.
 Switch it to the setting without the printer and you  don't  need
 your printer on.  When you want to use your printer  just  switch
 it to the setting the printer is on.

--- timEd-A10c
 * Origin: Center  of   the   Cosmos    205-824-2611  (1:3625/441)
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From: SIDNEY EGNEW                           Number: 1947
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  7:17p
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the
-> sat. BIG mistake on my part.

Thanks for the files Boyd.  It certainly was no mistake as far as I
was concerned.  I would appreciate you letting us know if you are
going to send more than 70 MB so I can put a bigger hard drive on
my receiving computer.  Of course if you could cycle the flag file
more often, that wouldn't be a problem as I have a several hundred
megabytes free on other computers!

Please send me EVERYTHING and many, many thanks!

..Sidney..

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 1948
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 01/02/94  2:50p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > several packets within the 0000FFFF.* packs that get screwed up
 > when they encounter message that are too long, grunged, or with
 > hex positioning errors.  I haven't figured out yet how to
 > salvage to rest of the messages in those packets when they get
 > renamed to *.BAD....anyone have any advice?

I've had a few too. But none because of "too long" or depending what you mean
by "grunged" (ie. not by the GMD definitions). The errors were clearly in the
compression itself.

I manually unpacked the bundles and tossed them. They tossed fine, except for
the specific .pkts that had the CRC errors. Out of those I'd get a pile of
gibble treated as netmail and simply delete them from my netmail dir. An
examination of the netmail variants was not enlightening :-)

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From: RANDY BLACKMOND                        Number: 1949
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/03/94  2:59p
Subj: Pkunzip                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 RB>> I've been getting PKUNZIP CRC errors on alot of the 0000FFFF.* FIDO

 MP> what version of Pkunzip are you using?

2.04G. I've eliminated the possibility that it was anything on my end... plus
the fact that I'm far from being the only one who is experiencing this... In
fact, I don't see how it's possible that _everyone_ hasn't seen this since the
packets were coming off of PC in this state. I haven't seen it happen in the
last couple of days so maybe the problem's been fixed...

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From: RANDY BLACKMOND                        Number: 1950
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 01/03/94  9:35p
Subj: CRC errors                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 DO> Randy, many apologies, you are correct.  I have about 4 such files, they
 DO> got stuck in the processing directory on the workstation instead of the
 DO> server where they normally show up.  Sorry for the confusion.  It does

No problem... I did alot of checking on my end before coming to the conclusion
that they were bad from the source. After downloading a packet via landline
that contained the same CRC error in the same file, I knew I was ok...

Looks like Boyd found the problem (DOS 6). I hear from reliable tech people
that if you want to go with DOS above 5.0, stick with PC-DOS and avoid MS-DOS.

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From: FRANK SALERNO                          Number: 1951
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94  1:24a
Subj: Tics or not... send 'em                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG  We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the
  sat. BIG mistake on my part.

        I appreciated all the games (files) you sent out over the satellite.
Just wanted you to know.  That was a great way to receive new files for the BBS
users to download for the Christmas holidays. I think you're doing a great job.
Thanks for all you do to keep Planet Connect running.

 * 1st 1.10 #310s * Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...


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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1952
  To: LANCE TAYLOR-WARREN                      Date: 01/04/94  4:26p
Subj: internet .BAG files                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Lance Taylor-Warren wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:




LT> i've got GIGO available for download, although I can't run
LT> it as it requires a 386 and I'm running on a 286 at the
LT> moment. GIGO looks like it could be a nive little program.
LT> It's is very similar to Fredgate but takes the addressing of
LT> mail (email) a bit differently and in some cases better.

Thanks for the info Lance.

Regards,
           Robert

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 1953
  To: ROGER MORRIS                             Date: 01/04/94  4:29p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Roger Morris wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

RH> I have just tried what you and the others suggested. I must
RH> say, the results ARE incredible! Thanks!

RM> Welcome!  Glad to help out.  Something I'm playing with is
RM> preprocessing the packets: sorting them by area tags.

I am now using pktsort. (An excellant program). Currently, I use No ramdrive. I
have hyperdisk with staged writed (2megs).
Buffers set to 10 and files set to 30.
I am now averaging 54 messages a second. I feed about a dozen downlinks. I feel
this is good. I can process a full days feed here (Let's say 30,000 messages
approx. 30-35 uncompressed megs) in 9 minutes. Can anyone suggest a way to beat
that? I don't remember who it was that stated they were getting 183 messages
per second but that would be 2.7 minutes! Can this be? I thought my 9 minutes
was good!


Regards,
           Robert

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From: MARK DAVIS                             Number: 1954
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 12/30/93  1:08a
Subj: Weather Maps                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DP> JL> I already have that file and it will do it, however the user
DP> JL> has to download the icons to view them so I see no improvement
DP> JL> there ether.  I guess it will be sometime before someone figures
DP> JL> out how to convert .pcx to .rip.

DP>Considering that PCX format is Bitmapped and RIP format is Vector graphics t
DP>conversion is not easy. (RIP Icons are Bitmaped)

There's a utility that will convert a .wmf to a rip screen, might just
have to go from .pcx to ? to .wmf to rip... Haven't had the time to
actually mess with it, but believe me, it's on the back burner...

 * QMPro 1.51 * The only Window is an X window!

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From: PHIL MILLER                            Number: 1955
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/04/94  1:22p
Subj: Re: What the HELL@!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


On Mon 03-Jan-1994 14:13 thus spake Fred Seibel unto Glenn Caleval:

 FS> When the EOT signal comes down, it moves everything to
 FS> the server, which has 637megs on it. Takes maybe 2 or
 FS> 3 minutes, and most of that isn't LAN time, it's
 FS> PCUTIL ect cleaning up the PC hard drive.

     I could never get PCUTIL to work, so i wrote my own.
     Usually takes about 1 seconds to clean everything up, unless PC send
     more than average, then it takes 2 seconds.



... Have the computer beep me, when it is ready.

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From: PHIL MILLER                            Number: 1956
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/04/94  1:32p
Subj: Re: New File Area                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


On Mon 03-Jan-1994 22:59 thus spake Todd Lyons unto Boyd Goodin:

 TL> Boyd, I've just linked into a new area that the Support Site for Intermail
 TL> has created.  It's called IMUTIL and will be for InterMail utilities and
 TL> such. Any interest in picking that up from me for distribution through the
 TL> satellite?

     That would be great.  Hope you and Boyd can work things out..


... If I'd miss you when you're gone - would you leave now?

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From: CHUCK GUSTAFSON                        Number: 1957
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94  5:38p
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Boyd Goodin to Joe Lyda <=-

 BG> We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the
 BG> sat. BIG  mistake on my part.
 BG>
 BG> ...Boyd

Not a mistake as far as this net is concerned!  Many of us here were
glad to see them.



... Clinton excuse #15: Hey - I just do what the wife says.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
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From: DAVID.E SMITH                          Number: 1958
  To: TIM BELLAART                             Date: 01/03/94  6:13p
Subj: Equipment                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Tim (hope to be connected soon) Bellaart

        Was shipped Via Purolator Dec 29  W.B.# 509246997

Hope this helps,  sorry for the delay.

Dave
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 * Origin: Westonia BBS Weston, Ontario, Canada [phone] (1:250/636)
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From: RANDY BLACKMOND                        Number: 1959
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 01/04/94  5:07p
Subj: CRC PROBLEMS                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 JD> When I spot the BAD_ARC.nnn (renamed in that manner by Qmail), I perform a
 JD> manual PKUZIP BAD_ARC.nnn and let Qmail toss the resulting .PKT's. The
 JD> "bad" one gets trashed, of course, but it's better than losing the whole
 JD> thing.

That's what I've been doing too. I wrote a little tester to run before my
tosser gets a hold of the inbounds and if the file is bad, the tester will move
it to a holding directory and I can then go in later and see what I can salvage
manually. I sure hope this problem gets fixed soon. I thought it was, but I got
a bad packet yesterday and another today...

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 1960
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94  3:59a
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >   We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over
 > the sat. BIG mistake on my part.

NO it wasn't a big mistake Boyd!  There are a good number of us who definitely
appreciate the extra files and the work that you are doing.
Your service is still very new and it is bound to go through some growing
pains.  I think you all are doing an EXCELLENT job despite what a few others
have said.

I think if the people who are satisfied with the job you are doing would speak
up, the sound would be deafening compared to the few squeaks you've heard in
complaints.

I think the suggestion that someone made about setting up your own file area
with perhaps an accompanying rulebase would solve any problems for
smaller systems.  They could "rulebase" the area to NUL and wouldn't have
to worry about the extra files.  Meanwhile the rest of us could enjoy all
the great additional files you've been sending.

Keep up the good work and please continue to send any files of interest
that you may find!!!  Fill my hard drives!  I dare ya!!! <smile>

Ed

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 1961
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 12/30/93 11:09a
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hello Diane!
->
-> In a message to Robert Hilgar <01/02/94> Diane Summers wrote:
->
-> DS> Hi Robert!
->
-> DS> RH> Wow Diane, that doesn't sound like a very intelligent tosser.
->
-> DS> <Blush>  Being relatively new to Fidonet I had somehow gotten the
-> DS> impression "dupe loop" meant seeing mail come back into my messag
-> DS> bases that had originated on mine but after talking voice to Boyd
-> DS> about it, he assured me it was normal for systems on the satellit
-> DS> to see their own messages again and there was not a way to keep t
-> DS> from importing so I felt alot better after learning this revelati
-> DS> knowing there is not anything wronmg with my software or perhaps
-> DS> error on my part. :)  Thanks...
->
-> Diane permit me to but in her for a moment.  The way a tosser
-> works it Boyds tosser will toss to 1:3615/15 and his tosser will
-> put in the Seen By line 3615/15 as having seen it.  Whoever
-> tossed to him would put 3615/50 in the Seen By line.  Now when we
-> get the mail it is tossed to 1:3615/15 and my address being
-> 1:3622/1000 should have been in the Seen By but 3615/15 did not
-> toss it.  What the problem with my net is that I receive the mail
-> from the bird and toss it using 3615/15 as an aka but my
-> downlinks never get my address in their tossed mail Seen By line
-> and it gets tossed right back to me.  What I did was call the
-> author of my tosser, a registered version, and he wrote me a
-> special one that puts my address in the Seen By line and the dupe
-> loop stopped coming back to me from my downlinks.
->
-> Hope I made some since with all this.  It is a problem that most
-> tosser authors need to know about so they can do a simple check
-> of the Seen By line for the node address and if not present put
-> it there.


Hi, Joe...

saw and responded to a similar message from you in WILDCAT,
and since I see you saying the same thing here, can only
assume that you DO have the aka wrong in your setup....

you should have an aka of 1:3615/51, NOT 1:3615/15....
                                 ^^             ^^

Not even WILDMAIL will work properly with the wrong
aka in there (g)...

cheers..

Bill...


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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1962
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/05/94 12:01a
Subj: BBSList FDN                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

The BBSList is a fairly new FDN that is now carried on Planet Connect.  If you
are or know an author of a BBSlist and wish to have it distributed I'm here it
help.

====================
Introduction to the BBSList FDN:

The BBSList FDN has been established for the Distribution of compiled
Telephone lists of BBS systems from around the world. It is linked to
systems world wide and is still growing.  The BBSList FDN is currently
listed in the Filebone.Na and is also being distributed via Satellite.

%
%                        FDN: BBS - BBS Telephone Listings File Distribution
%               HeadQuarters: Dennis Powers, 1:141/1135 & 1:141/1136
%                  Info File: BBSL_KIT.ZIP
%          SysOp Conferences: BBSList_Cord
%          On Planet Connect: In Process
Area BBSL_ADM   0    &*     BBSLIST: Admin File echo to Up-link (pass through)
Area BBSL_ASI   0    .      BBSLIST: Asia & SE Asia
Area BBSL_AUS   0    .      BBSLIST: Australia, New Zealand
Area BBSL_CAN   0    .      BBSLIST: Canada
Area BBSL_EUR   0    .      BBSLIST: Europe
Area BBSL_INT   0    .      BBSLIST: Other International sites
Area BBSL_MIS   0    .      BBSLIST: Miscellaneous and BBS info
Area BBSL_REG   0    .      BBSLIST: US Local and Regional level
Area BBSL_ST    0    .      BBSLIST: US State level
Area BBSL_USA   0    .      BBSLIST: United States
%

If you are or know an author of a BBSList or have a BBSlist program that
is of interest and is shareware or public domain, and would like to have
it distributed, please contact:

        Dennis Powers BBSList Coordinator
  BBS: 1:141/1135 [V.32] [phone]
             1:141/1136 [V.32] [phone]
        Mailing Address:  P.O. Box 6028
                          Wolcott, Ct 06716

I'll be glad to pick your file up, or help you get it distributed via
one of the BBSList FDN areas.  You may also call The Uncanny - X - Board
BBS and log in as:

        First Name: Guest
        Last Name : User
        Password  : 123

And either Upload a file/program for distribution (please include
personal information with the file) or download any of the files
distributed through the BBSList FDN..

If you'd like more information regarding the policy of the BFDS, or are
interested in getting a feed to these areas for your BBS, please File
Request or download BBSL_KIT.ZIP for the current BFDS Policy from the
Coordinator at 1:141/1135


Dennis Powers,
BBSList Coordinator
==============

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From: ROCKY HURLEY                           Number: 1963
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/01/94 10:40p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

Hate to do this Boyd... But did you get this?

Cya,
           Rocky/2

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1964
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/04/94  5:32a
Subj: QWK Nets.                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

┌─All!
└──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────[See Below]

        Well, its finally leaving my desk to the 1st ALPHA test Site.

        QWK<->GATE

        It will read MESSAGES.DAT (nothing else needed), a CFG file for the
currently processed MESSAGES.DAT and writes out:

        JAM, SQUISH, HUDSON, *.MSG, EZYCOM
        (Next Release will Support PCBoard & GoldBase)

        If you have been struggling too with these QWK nets, this will be the
best solution around! I have spent 3 months testing and developing this puppy!
It works GREAT! Its Fast, and works very modular (that way if it dies you can
resume from where it left off!)

        QWK<->GATE also converts any of the above formats to one of the others!

        QWK<->GATE eventually will have internal support for *.PKT format, at
that point I will incorporate my (testing) NEWSGRPS to PKT interface, and one
package will do the mail in all those different directions!

        If you are intersted in QWK<->GATE it will not have a SHAREWARE KEY
(probably ever (due to the work I have had to put into this)). It will be
selling for $150.00 and that will include 2 major revisions free! All bug fixes
will always be free!

Send netmail to one of the addresses below for ordering form... Please Specify
it is in reference to QWK<->GATE...thanks!

        And if you haven't played with RTP yet - you are missing the best TIC
processor released so far... If you are running RTP.EXE or RTP_OTW.EXE, I have
just released (jan 2nd) to the ALPHA testers the newest revision: TICPRO1.EXE -
this version is about 1/2 the size, and does many new features. I took out all
the double,double,double error checking, and have added some areafix still
commands to it (that no other TIC processor supports (YET!)).

From the Nuthouse, OZZ

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1965
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/04/94  3:47p
Subj: File for you...                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

┌─Fred!
└──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────[See Below]

04 Jan 94 00:50, Fred Seibel wrote to Ozz Nixon:

 ->> Its *FREE* - all I ask in trade is you try it out, if
 ->> you kno file id signatures not listed, then please pass it
 ->> along! And if you need of any lil' utilities please send me
 ->> netmail (with full details) you would like written... From the
 ->> Nuthouse, OZZ

 FS> Hi OZZ,
 FS>     Maybe you could get Boyd to send it out over the bird??

        <G>! Boyd and I have spoken about me releasing my shareware/freeware
over the DISH. I am working on writing my own TIC processor - its done for
inbound, but I am working on the outbound routines. Hope to have it done this
month, and in doing so I will start shooting many neat toys up to us!

        I am finishing up a killer TOSSER I designed, and with it I will be
sending my toys to BOYD from then on! (The Tosser Supports: QWK, SDM (*.MSG),
HUDSON, JAM, SQUISH, EZYCOM) - Soon (*.BAG, *.PKT, MSGS.* (PCBoard).) and any
direction there of. So people can take say, EZYCOM to *.BAG, or PCBOARD to JAM
etc. The future goal is to take anyones mail for other nets (mainly QWKNets and
Internet) shoot them to me, and I will do the uplink for all of us (probably
via a local INTERNET system or via Bob Oyler @ Databanks).

From the Nuthouse, OZZ

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From: OZZ NIXON                              Number: 1966
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/04/94  8:38p
Subj: Tic DONE!                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

┌─All!
└──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────[See Below]

        Well after scrapping the RTP project, and starting the new toy:

                                (TIC Professional)
                                   Version 0.01g

        It is finally DONE, and yes - If forwards out the TICs finally!

                        [Screen Capture during Process]

TK223915.TIC
TIC SIZE:1846
Z:\D-DRIVE\SKYDATA\NETFILE\TK223915.TIC
----------------INFORMATION----------------
Area ECHOLIST
Origin 1:266/71
From 1:3615/50
File ELDAT401.LZH
Desc EchoList Raw Data Files (01/01/94)
CRC FF40642F
Created by TICK v2.10 (C) Copyright Barry Geller - 1988,1989,1990,1991,1992

Exporting File into Announcement File(s)
Verifying: Z:\D-DRIVE\SKYDATA\NETFILE\ELDAT401.LZH,{Announcing}
Importing File in BBS Listing(s)
Conference #0, D:\RECENT2\DIR.
MOVE Z:\D-DRIVE\SKYDATA\NETFILE\ <--FROM -- TO--> D:\RECENT2\
{*} DEFAULTING TO COPY & PURGE MODE (MOVING ACROSS DRIVES CAN NOT BE DONE!)
┌─IN:Z:\D-DRIVE\SKYDATA\NETFILE\ELDAT401.LZH
├─OUT:D:\RECENT2\ELDAT401.LZH
└────Copying 330483 bytes... using a 35000 byte buffer
Copied & Purged
Exporting to: [No Downlinks]

        As a few of you that helped me test RTP can see, its nothing like the
old toy RTP was. It is a little bit slower, but has many new features now!

        Auto-Detection if MOVE was selected, and the destination is across
drive letters, it auto-switches to COPY & PURGE mode using an internal 35k copy
buffer!

        Announcement files area generated in 66 line length (for printer use),
and I added the option if an INTRO.HDR text file exists in the current
directory that TEXT will be the header of your announcement file!

        Announcement Form Macro's are not ready yet!

        Message Bases Support for Announcement (AUTO-IMPORT): {Optional}
        SQUISH, JAM, HUDSON, SDM (*.MSG), EZYCOM.

        Files.BBS formats supported: RA/QBBS Clones, PCBoard, TBBS

        Supports TIC(in) TIC(out), or TIC(in) RTP(out).

        TESTING w/ Planet_Connect (Hatch Routines).

        Logging now tracks the basics: (Future version may go mroe detailed).
        Date, Time, TIC Processed

        RINO_TIC.CFG now gets compiled (or sylted (sp?) like Maximus does!)

        RTP.EXE was 39k and the current version of TICPRO1.EXE is 102k - and
does more! Full multi-node support, File-Sharing/Locking. Supports running
under DesqView, OS/2 (DOS Window), Windows 3.x & 4.x.

        If you are interested in trying it out, send netmail to 1:18/201.0 in
reference to TICPRO1.EXE this is not a shareware release - its a drop dead
GAMMA!

From the Nuthouse, OZZ

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1967
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 01/04/94  1:03p
Subj: RADIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > to use on your board. It would behoove Mr. Toth to reconsider.......

Mrs. Toth.  Ronnie is short for Veronica :)

See ya                                                        Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1968
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 01/04/94  1:09p
Subj: BAD MAIL                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > 0000FFFF MO1     19562 01-02-94  12:39p
 > Guess what Boyd.  This file apears to be an archive but it is a
 > .PKT with an archice extention.
 >  Renamed it 0000ffff.pkt and it tossed like a champ.

I didn't even pay attention if it tossed, but I changed the extension too :)

see ya                                                            Todd

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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 1969
  To: TIM BELLAART                             Date: 01/03/94 11:57p
Subj: Re: Equipment                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Tim Bellaart to All ***

TB> The last I heard from Dave Smith of Westonia Computer on December
TB> 20th was
TB> that there was a delay from the supplier and the receivers where
TB> on their way
TB> from Ottawa and should be in Toronto the following day.
TB>
TB> To date, Mr. Smith has been very helpful and always returns my
TB> calls but I'm
TB> getting a "little" nervous and was just wondering if anyone else
TB> out there is
TB> having trouble getting the Planet Connect equipment from the
TB> supplier in
TB> Canada.
TB>
TB> Hummm, maybe I should have gone with KU equipment? :-)
TB>
TB> Tim (hope to be connected soon) Bellaart

Hi Tim,
    Don't think you have anything to worry about.  I got my stuff via Dave at
Westonia, and can't say enough about the service he gave me.  I too had a bad
receiver, and had a new one on my door step withing 36 hours.  If there is a
delay I can almost assure you that it is beyond Dave's control....hell the guy
must sleep at Westonia...I called there one Sunday night at around midnight
Eastern time, expecting to leave a message...and Dave answers!
    Hang in there...I'm sure it will work out.  And for what it's worth, I got
a Ku System...works great here.

Glenn

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 1970
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 01/04/94  6:21a
Subj: RADIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ken!

03 Jan 94 18:48, Ken Jackson wrote to Brian Hess:

 KJ> Brian--

 BH>> I am very disappoint in Radist and Ronnie Toth..

 KJ> are good and that you want to use on your board. It would behoove
 KJ> Mr. Toth to reconsider.......

Ms. Toth.... She very nice person to talk to voice... I am sure she has her
reasons.. But i Do not Agree with the end action at All!


Thank you,
           Brian

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From: AARON CRUEY                            Number: 1971
  To: SHANNON CRUEY                            Date: 01/07/94 11:44a
Subj: That Guy in Australia                   Refer: 288
Read: NO                                    Private: No

Yeah.. actually I did.  I had totally forgotten about that.
 Anyway
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From: GARY PRESSON                           Number: 1972
  To: KEN JACKSON                              Date: 01/04/94  4:29p
Subj: RADIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Ken Jackson to Brian Hess <=-

 BH> I am very disappoint in Radist and Ronnie Toth..

 KJ> Really. Me, too! I swear, if I hadn't already registered RA, I most
 KJ> likely would change bbs software. I think it's really, really, REALLY

Might I suggest the ORIGINAL, QuickBBS?

 KJ> dumb to do this to RADIST and the filebone. It's a pain in the keester
 KJ> to have to hunt around for RA utilities that are good and that you
 KJ> want to use on your board. It would behoove Mr. Toth to
                                                 ^^--- Uh...Ronnie is a Ms.
 KJ> reconsider.......


... via Blue Wave 2.12
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From: JOHN ALLEN                             Number: 1973
  To: TOM JONES                                Date: 12/16/93  5:37p
Subj: Re: C or Ku?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> As I
-> write this, it is raining and the wind is gusting to 47 MPH
-> and I have had no errors since around 10am (it is now about
-> 8pm).

Well as far as the wind goes I have had winds up to 97 MPH and the Ku
system stayed in place...


John

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 1974
  To: PHIL MILLER                              Date: 01/05/94 10:50p
Subj: New File Area                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  TL> has created.  It's called IMUTIL and will be for InterMail utilities
 >  TL> such. Any interest in picking that up from me for distribution through
 >
 >      That would be great.  Hope you and Boyd can work things out..

I'm working on it!

 > ... If I'd miss you when you're gone - would you leave now?

<ROTFLMAO>

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1975
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/05/94 10:34p
Subj: Re: help                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Boyd

In a message to John Mcconnell <01/03/94> Boyd Goodin wrote:

BG> > ECHOS ARE AND ARE NOT CARRIED VIA PLANET CONNECT? IS THAT TO MUCH TO
BG> > ASK???? AND IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS SUCH A LIST PLEASE
BG> > SEND US A COPY. thanks to anyone who can help
BG>
BG>    Most accurate way. Take the stats messages and it will list what was m
BG> and what was not. That would be every area that we send.
BG>
BG>
BG> ...Boyd
Would like to make an aplogy to all... The problems in the 3621 net were
self induced (aren't they always?) after three calls to my Tosser Author
I got it streightened out! (well how to fix it not what was happening)
Thanks for everyones patients on this one..


                        Steve Perlo
                     Distant Mirror BBS

 * WCE 1.5/2008 * Why isn't there another word for thesaurus?


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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1976
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 01/05/94 10:43p
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Greg

In a message to John Mcconnell <01/02/94> Greg Shaffer wrote:

GS> You would probably get farther with giving us a list of the echos out of
GS> current FIDONET.NA and FIDONET.NO that you are not getting.....since we a
GS> supposed to be getting them ALL.

The problem is fixed.. Wish more folks would have offered ideas (like
your's) instead of saying.. Get real you worthless $%^&*#@ if you can't
figure it out on your own you have no business in FIDO. Thanks again for
the suggestion. The problem was with my tosser. Three calls to the
Author fixed it. Don't know what happened or if it will reoccour,
however it is fixed for now..

                        Steve Perlo
                     Distant Mirror BBS

 * WCE 1.5/2008 * Always be sincere, even if you don't mean it.


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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1977
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 01/05/94 10:46p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Dave

In a message to Randy Blackmond <01/01/94> Dave Osborne wrote:

DO> Sorry to tell ya, you got a problem on your end my friend.  I haven't see
DO> bad packet yet.  If you're getting Zip CRC errors you may have some bad r
DO> just went through that problem a few weeks ago.  I could unzip the same b
DO> on different machines with different results.  Drow me nuts for two days.
Not true.. I got a packet called 0000FFFF.MO0 that was actualy a packet
mis-named to an arcive.. it happens..

                        Steve Perlo
                     Distant Mirror BBS

 * WCE 1.5/2008 * I tried switching to gum but couldn't keep it lit


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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1978
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 01/05/94 10:52p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Glenn

In a message to Glenn Vermette <01/02/94> Glenn Caleval wrote:

GC> I manually unpacked the bundles and tossed them. They tossed fine, except
GC> the specific .pkts that had the CRC errors. Out of those I'd get a pile o
GC> gibble treated as netmail and simply delete them from my netmail dir. An
GC> examination of the netmail variants was not enlightening :-)

I talked to Boyd about this and he just switched back to DOS 5 and
thinks that may fix things.. I sure hope so..I hate deleting all those
messages by hand..

                        Steve Perlo
                     Distant Mirror BBS

 * WCE 1.5/2008 * Jesus saves. He passes to Moses. Moses shoots...He scores!


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From: STEVE PERLO                            Number: 1979
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 01/05/94 10:54p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ola' Ken

In a message to Boyd Goodin <01/03/94> Ken Kavanagh wrote:

KK> theres some good ones in there..but i doubt I'll do very well with the ve
KK> trivia program..where's vermont?? <smile>
Just west of New Hampshire north of Mass. and east of New York State..
Do you do better at US Trivia? <grin>

                        Steve Perlo
                     Distant Mirror BBS

cc: John Mcconnell


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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 1980
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 01/06/94  5:58p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     I think it was the article in BoardWatch Magazine
 > from the Interview
 > you had at OneBBSCon, that made me decide to go with
 > PC. It was in that
 > article that stated you guys were planning on throwing
 > everything
 > you could get your hands on, up to the bird. Well,
 > PLEASE keep it up!


What issue was this in?  Was it the one where they discussed OneBBSCon?.  Or
have they had a more indepth look at PC since that issue, like they said they
would.  I keep meaning to send my subscription out for Boardwatch, but always
end up putting it off.  <sigh>

Take Care,
Bill

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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 1981
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/06/94 10:44p
Subj: ul test                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

ul test to pc


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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 1982
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/06/94 11:01p
Subj: test uplink to pc                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd this is just to test my uplink to you.  If this makes it to you
could you holler back?  Thanks!
-jim-


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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 1983
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 01/06/94  5:23p
Subj: TIC'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ed, maybe you've got time on your hands to kill, but I don't. If they don't
come in with .TIC files, I don't have the time to figure out where they
belong.. bit bucket perhaps. I spent the better part of 4 hours dinking with
all that apogee software.. pulling out all the .diz files, and merging them
into my file directories. It was a royal pain in the *ss! I sent Boyd a netmail
to this effect as well. I encourage anyone else who feels the same to do
likewise.

Regards



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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1984
  To: PHIL MILLER                              Date: 01/07/94 12:25a
Subj: Re: What the HELL@!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> On Mon 03-Jan-1994 14:13 thus spake Fred Seibel unto Glenn Caleval:
->
->  FS> When the EOT signal comes down, it moves everything to
->  FS> the server, which has 637megs on it. Takes maybe 2 or
->  FS> 3 minutes, and most of that isn't LAN time, it's
->  FS> PCUTIL ect cleaning up the PC hard drive.
->
->      I could never get PCUTIL to work, so i wrote my own.
->      Usually takes about 1 seconds to clean everything up, unless PC
->      more than average, then it takes 2 seconds.

heheheeh!!! Wise Guy!!!

That IS fast.


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1985
  To: OZZ NIXON                                Date: 01/07/94 12:27a
Subj: File for you...                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  FS> Hi OZZ,
->  FS>     Maybe you could get Boyd to send it out over the bird??
->
->         <G>! Boyd and I have spoken about me releasing my shareware/f
-> over the DISH. I am working on writing my own TIC processor - its don
-> inbound, but I am working on the outbound routines. Hope to have it d
-> month, and in doing so I will start shooting many neat toys up to us!
->
->         I am finishing up a killer TOSSER I designed, and with it I w
-> sending my toys to BOYD from then on! (The Tosser Supports: QWK, SDM
-> HUDSON, JAM, SQUISH, EZYCOM) - Soon (*.BAG, *.PKT, MSGS.* (PCBoard).)
-> direction there of. So people can take say, EZYCOM to *.BAG, or PCBOA
-> etc. The future goal is to take anyones mail for other nets (mainly Q
-> Internet) shoot them to me, and I will do the uplink for all of us (p
-> via a local INTERNET system or via Bob Oyler @ Databanks).
->
-> From the Nuthouse, OZZ


GOOD!!!

Can't wait to get my hands on it!

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 1986
  To: JOHN ALLEN                               Date: 01/07/94 12:30a
Subj: Re: C or Ku?                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> As I
-> -> write this, it is raining and the wind is gusting to 47 MPH
-> -> and I have had no errors since around 10am (it is now about
-> -> 8pm).
->
-> Well as far as the wind goes I have had winds up to 97 MPH and the Ku
-> system stayed in place...
->
->
-> John

AHH!!!
I guess I'm safe!!
Worst I've had was about 50.

Did have about 1/2 inch of ice on it the other day.
Went fron sig strength 9 to about 8.

Fred


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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 1987
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/05/94  4:30p
Subj: Dupe Loop                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bill!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/30/93> Bill Roper wrote:

BR> -> Hello Diane!
BR> ->
BR> -> In a message to Robert Hilgar <01/02/94> Diane Summers wrote:
BR> ->
BR> -> DS> Hi Robert!
BR> ->
BR> -> DS> RH> Wow Diane, that doesn't sound like a very intelligent tosser.
BR> ->
BR> -> DS> <Blush>  Being relatively new to Fidonet I had somehow gotten the
BR> -> DS> impression "dupe loop" meant seeing mail come back into my messag
BR> -> DS> bases that had originated on mine but after talking voice to Boyd
BR> -> DS> about it, he assured me it was normal for systems on the satellit
BR> -> DS> to see their own messages again and there was not a way to keep t
BR> -> DS> from importing so I felt alot better after learning this revelati
BR> -> DS> knowing there is not anything wronmg with my software or perhaps
BR> -> DS> error on my part. :)  Thanks...
BR> ->
BR> -> Diane permit me to but in her for a moment.  The way a tosser
BR> -> works it Boyds tosser will toss to 1:3615/15 and his tosser will
BR> -> put in the Seen By line 3615/15 as having seen it.  Whoever
BR> -> tossed to him would put 3615/50 in the Seen By line.  Now when we
BR> -> get the mail it is tossed to 1:3615/15 and my address being
BR> -> 1:3622/1000 should have been in the Seen By but 3615/15 did not
BR> -> toss it.  What the problem with my net is that I receive the mail
BR> -> from the bird and toss it using 3615/15 as an aka but my
BR> -> downlinks never get my address in their tossed mail Seen By line
BR> -> and it gets tossed right back to me.  What I did was call the
BR> -> author of my tosser, a registered version, and he wrote me a
BR> -> special one that puts my address in the Seen By line and the dupe
BR> -> loop stopped coming back to me from my downlinks.
BR> ->
BR> -> Hope I made some since with all this.  It is a problem that most
BR> -> tosser authors need to know about so they can do a simple check
BR> -> of the Seen By line for the node address and if not present put
BR> -> it there.


BR> Hi, Joe...

BR> saw and responded to a similar message from you in WILDCAT,
BR> and since I see you saying the same thing here, can only
BR> assume that you DO have the aka wrong in your setup....

BR> you should have an aka of 1:3615/51, NOT 1:3615/15....
BR>                                  ^^             ^^

BR> Not even WILDMAIL will work properly with the wrong
BR> aka in there (g)...

BR> cheers..

BR> Bill...


I have the correct AKA this message was a typo error usine 15
insted of 51.

Joe

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From: DENNIS POWERS                          Number: 1988
  To: MARK DAVIS                               Date: 01/05/94  8:00p
Subj: Weather Maps                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello MARK!

30 Dec 93, MARK DAVIS writes to DENNIS POWERS:


 DP> JL>> there ether.  I guess it will be sometime before someone figures
 DP> JL>> out how to convert .pcx to .rip.

 DP>> Considering that PCX format is Bitmapped and RIP format is Vector
 DP>> graphics t conversion is not easy. (RIP Icons are Bitmaped)

 MD> There's a utility that will convert a .wmf to a rip screen, might just
 MD> have to go from .pcx to ? to .wmf to rip... Haven't had the time to

I played with the WMF to RIP program and the first two versions had severe
limitations.  I was hoping for a better way to do RIP graphics, since the
current tools are pretty crude right now.   I'm looking into HiJack Pro for
windows to see what kind of conversions can be done, but like you, it's on the
back burner <G>.  The conversion from Bitmaped (raster) to Vector format is
pretty tricky.

-><-Dennis

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1989
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/04/94  6:20p
Subj: PKUNZIP                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
 > =*=*=*=*
 > | Mike's Mansion            | FidoNET: 1:105/81.5      EchoNET:
 > 50:5017/81.5
 > | Cooking Files & Recipes   | BBS: [phone]
 > [300/1200/2400/9600/14.4k]
 > | InterNET: [e-mail]
 > *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
 > =*=*=*=*

Michael,
 We've all seen your BBS ad several times, is it necessary to insert it in
every message you post? Or am I the only one irritated by this sort of excess
baggage?

                     <<Jim>>

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 1990
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/04/94  6:30p
Subj: RE: TIC'S                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >   We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the
 > sat. BIG mistake on my part.

No mistake at all, I appreciate the bonus, Boyd. Anytime you have more stuff
like that, shoot it along, I'll figure out what to do with it once it's here.

Thanks again!!                          <<Jim>>

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From: JAMES MCORMOND                         Number: 1991
  To: BRIAN HESS                               Date: 01/04/94  2:17p
Subj: Re: ZyXELnet                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of We 15-Dec-93 10:42, Brian Hess wrote:

 BH>  JM> Doesn't seem that they are.  Anybody know why?
 BH>
 BH> I know that we are NOT getting them here over the dish....

But have there been any files in those areas since you started running the
dish?


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From: TIM BELLAART                           Number: 1992
  To: DAVID.E SMITH                            Date: 01/06/94  1:44a
Subj: Equipment                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello David.e!

03 Jan 94, David.e Smith writes to Tim Bellaart:

 DeS>         Was shipped Via Purolator Dec 29  W.B.# 509246997

Thank you Dave. Of course, it arrived two days after I entered the message
here. I hope the rest of the parts will be here soon. :-)

BTW, I've had the receiver plugged in since it arrived and the data light is
blinking to beat the band.

Thanks again for the great service. It's understandable that had it been any
other time of the year, I'm sure the delay would have been shorter.

Tim

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From: TIM BELLAART                           Number: 1993
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 01/06/94  1:50a
Subj: Equipment                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn!

03 Jan 94, Glenn Vermette writes to Tim Bellaart:

 GV> a bad receiver, and had a new one on my door step withing 36 hours.  If
 GV> there is a delay I can almost assure you that it is beyond Dave's
 GV> control....hell the guy must sleep at Westonia...I called there one Sunday
 GV> night at around midnight Eastern time, expecting to leave a message...and
 GV> Dave answers! Hang in there...I'm sure it will work out.

Thank you for your message Glenn. Dave has already proven you correct. I
called him last night after I received the new receiver and sure enough he was
there to answer the call (10:00 pm his time).

 GV> it's worth, I got a Ku System...works great here.

Great news! What size dish are you using? I've got an eight foot spun (yea
it's old). I anticipate the only problem I will have is living in the

east>west flight path of the Calgary International airport :-)

Take care!

Tim

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 1994
  To: STEVE PERLO                              Date: 01/07/94  2:51p
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Steve Perlo wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

SP> Ola' Greg

SP> In a message to John Mcconnell <01/02/94> Greg Shaffer
SP> wrote:

GS> You would probably get farther with giving us a list of the echos out of
GS> current FIDONET.NA and FIDONET.NO that you are not getting.....since we a
GS> supposed to be getting them ALL.

SP> The problem is fixed.. Wish more folks would have offered
SP> ideas (like your's) instead of saying.. Get real you
SP> worthless $%^&*#@ if you can't figure it out on your own you
SP> have no business in FIDO. Thanks again for the suggestion.
SP> The problem was with my tosser. Three calls to the Author
SP> fixed it. Don't know what happened or if it will reoccour,
SP> however it is fixed for now..

Well.....based on the tone and content of your original message it was hard not
to respond in the manner you describe :)

[e-mail]

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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 1995
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 01/07/94  8:10p
Subj: Planet_Connect                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  BS> Anyone have a file I can download to obtain further information
->  BS> setup, which would give me an idea of what I am looking at as fa
->  BS> equipment, needed, cost, etc.
->
-> you need:
-> a 486-33 with lots of memory
->   at least 1 gig of hard drive space if you wish to keep any of the d
-> more than 1 week (lets say two to be generous)
->

  Ken I think you are exaggerating just a tad here aren't you?  I snag
about 300 fido conferences, and keep 500 messages each, at 1k avg per
message that is 150 megs.  And a 486 is nice but certainly not
necessary, nor is the 'lots' of memory.

-> a second computer (286, 386sx16) but with at least a 100 meg hard dri
-> it a fast one with a large hardware cache)
->
-> a lan tying the two systems togeather.

Or Desqview and multi-taks.  I am not doing it but several folks are and
apparently successfully.  Or just use one system, receive the stuff then
toss it, then go back to receiving.

-> a satellite dish (one of two kinds)
->  C band dish.  Depending on where you are on the continent..anything
-> to 10 foot dish will accomodate you nicely.
->  or a KU band (around 2 or 3 foot in size, again depending where you
-> these I know little about since I dont have one <grin> they basically
-> much higher radio frequency.  they dont sound that good to me particu
-> you ever get snow or lots and lots of rain (as I do here in Vancouver
-> operates at a much lower fequency 950-1450 gigahz as opposed to (i st
-> corrected I'm sure) around 35,000 gigahz for KU band..rain gets in th
-> frequency's way :)

  The only justification for using C-Band is if you already have a dish
and want it to double-duty.  A dedicated Ku setup for data reception
makes a lot more sense I think.  If rain is likely to be a major
problem, then go to a 4 ft dish.  Since everything repeats in a 3-4 hour
cycle though, you could get wiped out for several hours by a major rain
fade (and it would take a heavy rain), and still you wouldn't miss a
thing.

->  a poll (not that funny since they cost 6 bucks a foot new, 3 bucks u
-> plant your dish in the ground, or a tripod stand..i havent a clue how
-> are.
->
->  a .30 degree lnb (the dish's brains)
->  a feedhorn, holds the brains and focus's the data at it
->  a bunch of very expensive cable to run between this dish and your ho
-> your receiver (300USD, around 450 canadian after the ignornat taxes a
->  a satellite receiver (regular video kind) to aim the dish properly
->
  Again, all of this is eliminated by going Ku.  The whole package is
$495 for dish, lnb, feed, mount, and receiver.  The cable is plain old
RG-6 and is very inexpensive.  Smaller dish means smaller mount, etc.

$495 for the package, plus say $20 for the RG-6 plus a 386sx with a
couple of hundred meg drive and you are in business.
-jim-


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From: MAX VONDERHORST                        Number: 1996
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 01/07/94  8:15p
Subj: TIC'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Chris Wiesner wrote in a message to Ed Marquis:

CW> Ed, maybe you've got time on your hands to kill, but I
CW> don't. If they don't come in with .TIC files, I don't have
CW> the time to figure out where they belong.. bit bucket
CW> perhaps. I spent the better part of 4 hours dinking with all
CW> that apogee software.. pulling out all the .diz files, and

You should try running AllFix, then you wouldn't have to dink about for 4
hours. Judicious use of * and ? dos "meta" characters along with the use of the
"Hatch Manager" would have generated .TIC files to your downlinks for 99.9 -
100.0% of the Apogee stuff with descriptions taken from the FILE_ID.DIZ file
automatically as well as using the description to update your files.bbs.
Creativity reduces time spent and gives you a good feeling after it is all
over. 8^) 8^)

Regards,
           Max

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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 1997
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/07/94  9:37p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Can someone help me with what is probably a dumb question?  Last night I
tried exporting a message from a Fido conference and sending out to
PC.  All seemed to work fine, except, all 3 of the messages I sent
re-appeared the next day and got tossed back into this conference.

Apparently I don't have something configured correctly but I sure can't
see what's wrong.  I am running Wildmail as my tosser.  I have 3615/51
as an AKA address.  I checked one of the (outgoing) messages I sent last
night and it showed: SEENBY 231/285 3615/50
                     PATH 231/285

This seems to mesh with the instructions from PC.  In Wildmail I have my
conferences configured as:  Origin Address 1:231/285.0
                       Upload/Feed Address 1:3615/50.0

Can someome advise me what I need to change to keep WIldmail from
tossing my messages as they come back from the satellite?

Thanks in advance,
-jim-


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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 1998
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/07/94  1:52p
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Monday January 03 1994 01:21, Boyd Goodin wrote to Craig Clark:


 >> It's not just you - I've been getting the same thing.  Hope Boyd finds
 >> what the problem is soon.

 BG>    Yep DOS 6. Switched back to 5 and it seems to clear up. Also the
 BG> bundles have been going out in a regular size fashion. Still have to wait
 BG> a while and see if it chears up on this end.

 BG> ...Boyd

Hello Boyd!

Which version of MSDOS 5.0...

the April 1991 version has a Number Algorithum Bug that calculated the Wrong
CRC value...

the 11-11-91 Release of MSDOS 5.0 is a Bug Fix...


Regards,
George Vandervort
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 (Beta-16)/Binkley 2.59wb

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From: [e-mail]                     Number: 1999
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/07/94  6:42p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

From: [e-mail] (Bryan Halvorson)
Newsgroups: tdkt-fido.planet-connect
Subject: What the HELL@!!!!!!!
Organization: Electronics 101. Apple Valley, MN
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>,
Fred Seibel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> I've heard estimates of 25 to 30 megs a day coming down
> just for that.
> Can you, or anyone else give a good figure of how
> much to expect in compressed INTERNET traffic we
> should be ready to handle??

I'm getting most of the world wide groups except bionet and the pictures
groups and my feed is currently running about 28 meg per day compressed
with gzip -9. The bionet groups were around 5 meg per day when they were
cut over a year ago and the pictures groups were 10 meg per day when
they were cut around thanksgiving. Article counts are currently running
around thirty three thousand per day.

These figures are averaged over a weeks time. The busiest day is
thursday when traffic can be half again the average and can easily be
over 100 meg after it's uncompressed.

--
Bryan Halvorson                [e-mail]
N0BUU                          [e-mail]

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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 2000
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 01/07/94  6:08p
Subj: TIC'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Ed, maybe you've got time on your hands to kill, but I don't.

I don't have much extra time myself...

 > they don't come in with .TIC files, I don't have the time to
 > figure out where they belong.. bit bucket perhaps.

For you, perhaps.  If the files don't come in to Boyd's system with Tic's and
he just found them interesting enough to send without tic's, I'd like to have
them and won't quibble about them not having a tic file.  That's why I had
suggested that he set up an area with a rulebase so people like yourself can
filter them out if they wish.

 > better part of 4 hours dinking with all that apogee software..
 > pulling out all the .diz files, and merging them into my file

There are programs that will automatically pull the DIZ descriptions out of
archives and place the descriptions in your FILES.BBS or other database.
Setting up one of them would save you a lot of time.  I use GET-DIZ on my
system.  It has saved me countless hours of description writing.

If the option is that Boyd either sends them with a tic but doesn't have time
to hatch them or he doesn't send them at all, I'll always support him sending
them without the tic's.

Take care,

Ed

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From: MARK DAVIS                             Number: 2001
  To: DENNIS POWERS                            Date: 01/07/94  1:18p
Subj: Weather Maps                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DP> DP> JL>> there ether.  I guess it will be sometime before someone figures
DP> DP> JL>> out how to convert .pcx to .rip.
DP> DP>> Considering that PCX format is Bitmapped and RIP format is Vector
DP> MD> There's a utility that will convert a .wmf to a rip screen, might just
DP> MD> have to go from .pcx to ? to .wmf to rip... Haven't had the time to

DP>I played with the WMF to RIP program and the first two versions had severe
DP>limitations.  I was hoping for a better way to do RIP graphics, since the
DP>current tools are pretty crude right now.   I'm looking into HiJack Pro for
DP>windows to see what kind of conversions can be done, but like you, it's on t
DP>back burner <G>.  The conversion from Bitmaped (raster) to Vector format is
DP>pretty tricky.

Yeah, let me know how it goes for you, I'd really have to unarchive
windoze off of tape just to do conversions, and that would sure take the
"automated-ness" factor out of it.

PCX -> GIF goes pretty well, and GIF -> JPG does well too, so we might
have to wait on telegrafix to get around to the next version of RIP
before really spending a whole lot of time trying to beat the dog...

                                                .\\

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From: DONALD SHELTON                         Number: 2002
  To: ROGER MORRIS                             Date: 01/08/94  1:04a
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RM>RH> I don't remember who it was that stated they were
  >RH> getting 183 messages per second but that would be 2.7
  >RH> minutes! Can this be? I thought my 9 minutes was good!

RM>That 183 was a record and not typical.  When I hit that record my normal
  >tossing was averaging 85/sec.  Full backbone drop took about 15 minutes, fro
  >receiving mail to restarting mailer.

RM>   ... Remus ...


What kind of BBS and tossing software are you using?
Is this on a LAN or is the drive you are tossing to on the same machine?

I am averaging about 30 msg a minute here.

Donald


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From: GARY BARR                              Number: 2003
  To: TONY HONAKER                             Date: 01/06/94  4:33p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > BITCH BITCH BITCH... Always something.... My net wants the
 > files.. Not
 > the messages..If you only have 40 megs free then you almost
 > have no
 > business being a NEC. What do you do when your hub went down

Tony,
  I *TOTALLY* agree.  I am in this for the mail, but those files went to great
use and my users went crazy over them...  I wasn't sure about them without TIC
files, but the GET-DIZ file that PC sent along with them was excellant... And
worked like a charm

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2004
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/05/94  4:30p
Subj: DUPE LOOP                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

1
Hello Bill!

In a message to Joe Lyda <12/30/93> Bill Roper wrote:

BR> -> Hello Diane!
BR> ->
BR> -> In a message to Robert Hilgar <01/02/94> Diane Summers wrote:
BR> ->
BR> -> DS> Hi Robert!
BR> ->
BR> -> DS> RH> Wow Diane, that doesn't sound like a very intelligent tosser.
BR> ->
BR> -> DS> <Blush>  Being relatively new to Fidonet I had somehow gotten the
BR> -> DS> impression "dupe loop" meant seeing mail come back into my messag
BR> -> DS> bases that had originated on mine but after talking voice to Boyd
BR> -> DS> about it, he assured me it was normal for systems on the satellit
BR> -> DS> to see their own messages again and there was not a way to keep t
BR> -> DS> from importing so I felt alot better after learning this revelati
BR> -> DS> knowing there is not anything wronmg with my software or perhaps
BR> -> DS> error on my part. :)  Thanks...
BR> ->
BR> -> Diane permit me to but in her for a moment.  The way a tosser
BR> -> works it Boyds tosser will toss to 1:3615/15 and his tosser will
BR> -> put in the Seen By line 3615/15 as having seen it.  Whoever
BR> -> tossed to him would put 3615/50 in the Seen By line.  Now when we
BR> -> get the mail it is tossed to 1:3615/15 and my address being
BR> -> 1:3622/1000 should have been in the Seen By but 3615/15 did not
BR> -> toss it.  What the problem with my net is that I receive the mail
BR> -> from the bird and toss it using 3615/15 as an aka but my
BR> -> downlinks never get my address in their tossed mail Seen By line
BR> -> and it gets tossed right back to me.  What I did was call the
BR> -> author of my tosser, a registered version, and he wrote me a
BR> -> special one that puts my address in the Seen By line and the dupe
BR> -> loop stopped coming back to me from my downlinks.
BR> ->
BR> -> Hope I made some since with all this.  It is a problem that most
BR> -> tosser authors need to know about so they can do a simple check
BR> -> of the Seen By line for the node address and if not present put
BR> -> it there.


BR> Hi, Joe...

BR> saw and responded to a similar message from you in WILDCAT,
BR> and since I see you saying the same thing here, can only
BR> assume that you DO have the aka wrong in your setup....

BR> you should have an aka of 1:3615/51, NOT 1:3615/15....
BR>                                  ^^             ^^

BR> Not even WILDMAIL will work properly with the wrong
BR> aka in there (g)...

BR> cheers..

BR> Bill...


I have the correct AKA this message was a typo error usine 15
insted of 51.

Joe

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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 2005
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 01/05/94 12:54a
Subj: UPGRADE QEMM/DV                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TL>     Hey Tony, how the Heck are ya? Anyways, just curious about the QEMM
TL> 7.03. Did you have to pay to upgrade from 7.02, which is what I am
TL> running now? If not, where can I grab it?

I am not Tony <g>, but you can freq these from me at
1:138/165 or 1:138/194

260TO261.ZIP   133329  10-20-93  patch DV 2.60 to 2.61
261TO262.ZIP    99791  12-01-93  patch DV 2.61 to 2.62 level
701TO703.ZIP   212474  11-17-93  QEMM 701->703 patch
702TO703.ZIP   134794  11-17-93  QEMM 702->703 patch
7TO702.ZIP     182667  09-30-93  Patch to take QEMM 7.01 to 7.02



TRENDS! is coming to Sumner in February.....Be on the lookout!!!

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 2006
  To: BOB SLOWINSKI                            Date: 01/06/94  2:15a
Subj: PLANET_CONNECT                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

50
      On Sunday January 02 1994, Bob Slowinski writes to All:

Hello Bob!

 BS> Anyone have a file I can download to obtain further information about this
 BS> setup, which would give me an idea of what I am looking at as far as
 BS> equipment, needed, cost, etc.

you need:
a 486-33 with lots of memory
  at least 1 gig of hard drive space if you wish to keep any of the data sent
more than 1 week (lets say two to be generous)

a second computer (286, 386sx16) but with at least a 100 meg hard drive (make
it a fast one with a large hardware cache)

a lan tying the two systems togeather.

a satellite dish (one of two kinds)
 C band dish.  Depending on where you are on the continent..anything from a 7
to 10 foot dish will accomodate you nicely.
 or a KU band (around 2 or 3 foot in size, again depending where you live)
these I know little about since I dont have one <grin> they basically use a
much higher radio frequency.  they dont sound that good to me particualry if
you ever get snow or lots and lots of rain (as I do here in Vancouver) C band
operates at a much lower fequency 950-1450 gigahz as opposed to (i stand to be
corrected I'm sure) around 35,000 gigahz for KU band..rain gets in that
frequency's way :)
 a poll (not that funny since they cost 6 bucks a foot new, 3 bucks used) to
plant your dish in the ground, or a tripod stand..i havent a clue how much they
are.

 a .30 degree lnb (the dish's brains)
 a feedhorn, holds the brains and focus's the data at it
 a bunch of very expensive cable to run between this dish and your house hence
your receiver (300USD, around 450 canadian after the ignornat taxes and duties)
 a satellite receiver (regular video kind) to aim the dish properly

after you have all that...i guess a bbs or some good mailer software if you
plan on moving the mail beyond your own system, a fast modem to send it with if
the latter is the case (or if you plan on both as I do and most of the rest of
us P.C. users) and that should about cover it. oh ya, the monthly costs for
your phone line and for the actually data feed off the dish (40 bucks a month
for fidonet backbone mail and the filebone, 30 bucks a month for the internet
USENET newsgroups)


All in all I figer if you have none of the above, you need around 10,000
dollars and you'll be fine. plus 100 bucks a month in running costs.
If you can steal some old computers from friends family or a computer store in
the middle of the night (same goes for the sat stuff) the cost drops naturally
<grin>
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Thursday January 06 1994

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 2007
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 01/07/94  7:06p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > What issue was this in?  Was it the one where they discussed OneBBSCon?.
 >  Or have they had a more indepth look at PC since that issue, like they
 > said they would.  I keep meaning to send my subscription out for

No they haven't had a more indepth look at PC.  And they missed Boyd when he
had his two days off (that scoundrel ;)

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 2008
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 01/07/94  7:08p
Subj: TIC'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > and merging them into my file directories. It was a royal pain in the
 > *ss! I sent Boyd a netmail to this effect as well. I encourage anyone
 > else who feels the same to do likewise.

I think you'll find that most of hte people here are happy that Boyd did that.
I spent a good deal of time on them too, but it also contained a BUNCH of
games that I didn't have, so I'll not complain one bit.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2009
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/07/94  9:43p
Subj: test uplink to pc                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jim!

In a message to Boyd Goodin <01/06/94> Jim St. John wrote:

JS> Boyd this is just to test my uplink to you.  If this makes it to you
JS> could you holler back?  Thanks!
JS> -jim-

If he don't I will.

Joe

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2010
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 01/07/94  9:45p
Subj: TIC'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Chris!

In a message to Ed Marquis <01/06/94> Chris Wiesner wrote:

CW> Ed, maybe you've got time on your hands to kill, but I don't. If they don
CW> come in with .TIC files, I don't have the time to figure out where they
CW> belong.. bit bucket perhaps. I spent the better part of 4 hours dinking w
CW> all that apogee software.. pulling out all the .diz files, and merging th
CW> into my file directories. It was a royal pain in the *ss! I sent Boyd a
CW> netmail to this effect as well. I encourage anyone else who feels the sam
CW> do likewise.

CW> Regards
That is amazing you took such drastic measures to add them to
your database.  I wrote a 5 minute batch file and used transcan
and 10 minutes later it all was done.  I hope Boyd keeps sending
them as my children loved them as well as several of my users.

It could have been worse, it could take 6 hours next time.

Joe


CW> --- TMail v1.31.5
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From: MICHAEL PIERCE                         Number: 2011
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 01/07/94  1:53p
Subj: Sig                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD> Michael,
JD>  We've all seen your BBS ad several times, is it necessary to insert it
JD> in every message you post?
Sorry about that.. it is a "SIG" that is automaticly appended to every
message for every user.


                               <* Michael *>

MRTG: Junk is the stuff we throw away, and stuff is the junk we keep.

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| Cooking Files & Recipes   | BBS: [phone] [300/1200/2400/9600/14.4k]
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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 2012
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/07/94  2:26p
Subj: Is There Any Way...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Since newsgroups are supposedly coming over the sat soon - I don't suppose it
would be possible to get a list of those that will be coming accross (not the
ones that won't) so that we can start setting our systems up for it?  Just a
thought.

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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2013
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/07/94  1:28a
Subj: UseNet and Stuff                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Boyd, any word on when the UseNet feed is going to start coming
over? Are you going to start with the ENTIRE feed, or maybe build its
way up a bit?

    Also, please accept my support for throwing anything and everything
you can get your hands on, up to the bird. I keep reading these stupid
messages about this thing is supposed to be automated, but from where I
sit, it seems like all these people want YOU to automate THEIR systems
for them. Take the no .tic files for example. They could automate
those files easy enough, get a file processor that uncompresses the
file and adds the descriptions from the file.diz. Works like a charm.
Better yet, if they don't like them, they can always automate their
batch files to delete them. What a concept, eh?

    Anywho, any thoughts on adding services like stock quotes and things
like the Wall Street Journal?

    Keep up the GREAT work, and don't let the ill prepared slow you
down.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2014
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/07/94  3:16a
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE messages in
my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, because I
could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why I got
these? Also, this particular batch of garbage really choked WildMail to
the point of taking 1 to 2 minutes to process each of the garbage
messages. I have had a similar problem with WildMail like this before
and it was caused by some InterNet NewsGroup Messages that had NOT been
split and were at the maximum length of almost 17k for the message.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2015
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 01/07/94  7:02p
Subj: Upgrade QEMM/DV                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I am not Tony <g>, but you can freq these from me at
-> 1:138/165 or 1:138/194
->
-> 260TO261.ZIP   133329  10-20-93  patch DV 2.60 to 2.61
-> 261TO262.ZIP    99791  12-01-93  patch DV 2.61 to 2.62 level
-> 701TO703.ZIP   212474  11-17-93  QEMM 701->703 patch
-> 702TO703.ZIP   134794  11-17-93  QEMM 702->703 patch
-> 7TO702.ZIP     182667  09-30-93  Patch to take QEMM 7.01 to 7.02

    Thanks Tim, Tony was kind enough to send me the 702to703 file, but
on receipt I realized that I am still at 7.01. This will come in handy!


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2016
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 01/07/94  7:06p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> What issue was this in?  Was it the one where they discussed OneBBSCo
-> have they had a more indepth look at PC since that issue, like they s
-> would.  I keep meaning to send my subscription out for Boardwatch, bu
-> end up putting it off.  <sigh>

    It was the first issue I ever read. I believe it to be September or
October. It was the one with just the review of OneBBScon.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 2017
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 01/07/94  1:09a
Subj: RADIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill--

 >> would behoove Mr. Toth to reconsider.......
 BW> Actually HE is a She.. <grin>..

ouch!

Guess I showed my ignorance, didn't I? I HATE it when I do that.

A thousand pardons, madam, if you is lookin at this.........

But, PLEASE consider all us PCers!!!!!!

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 2018
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 01/07/94  1:12a
Subj: CRC errors                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Floyd--

 FD> I've *NEVER* had PKZIPFIX work.

I'm glad to see this statement, Floyd, 'cause I never have either!!! Thought it
was just another big screw up on my part!!

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 2019
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/07/94  1:14a
Subj: Tics or not... send 'em                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd--

 BG> We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the
 BG> sat. BIG mistake on my part.

Oh, no you don't!!!! Don't you DARE think these things weren't appreciated!!!!
You do that AS OFTEN as you like/can!!!!! If someone else has a problem with
that, too bad... those of us who live in the real world certainly thought it
was great!!!

Thanks again for giving us that nice surprise!!!!

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 2020
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/07/94  1:21a
Subj: RADIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Todd--

 TL> Mrs. Toth.  Ronnie is short for Veronica :)

Ugh. I been clobbered about that one!!! From now on, I'll say "Mr?/Mrs?/MS?"
and hope for the best .... hee hee hee..

Ken

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From: KEN JACKSON                            Number: 2021
  To: BRIAN HESS                               Date: 01/07/94  1:23a
Subj: RADIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Brian--

 BH> Ms. Toth.... She very nice person to talk to voice... I am sure she has
 BH> her reasons.. But i Do not Agree with the end action at All!

Thanks for the correction. I never stopped to think this could be a nickname
for a female.... and I would hope she would change her mind about allowing us
the files.

Ken

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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2022
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/07/94  5:17p
Subj: Re: What the HELL@!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

NOTE: This message was originally addressed to BOYD GOODIN
      and was forwarded to you by BILL ROPER
                          --------------------


   ---- much deleted----



    Now, where I want to express my concern is that you folks are
stating there is going to be an additional fee for the NewsGroups. I
just want to let you know that I am prepared to pay a SMALL monthly fee
for the service, but I am NOT happy about it. The NewsGroups WERE the
reason I hooked into PC and there was NO mention at the time about
additional expenses. I hope this dosen't ruffle any feathers, as this is
NOT the intent. I just wanted to let you know my opinion on the matter.
I hope you will concider what I have said!



Boyd,

    I'd just like to add my endorsment to Tim's comments...

    I also did the PC route solely because of Internet availablity...
    The fact that Fidonet/bone and all the rest is a decided plus,
    but Usenet was the primary reason....

cheers...

Bill..


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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 2023
  To: RUDY HEHN                                Date: 01/08/94  8:36p
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Rudy Hehn wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

RH> I'm going to be switching to Os/2 within a couple of weeks.
RH> Is there any way to make the dongle work under OS/2? I'd
RH> like to cut everything down to working on one system,
RH> instead of 3 machines running under Lantastic.

Lantastic is working great here for me - PC could send files 24 hours a day if
they like!  I have a machine dedicated to the feed (not a server), a
semi-dedicated server, and three nodes (machines) for callers.  The server also
runs Squish and Allfix to toss mail and files, but that's all that it does
(besides be a server).  I considered OS/2, but I think this setup is more
stable and flexible in the long run.

If you still want to get Lantastic working smoothly, maybe I could help? I'm in
the support business, and Lantastic is one of the products we sell and support.

-=- Craig.

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 2024
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/08/94  4:23p
Subj: Re: TVAgent                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->> hardware/software for PC there was NO receipt.  Could I get that too?

->    Will do.

  Thanks Boyd, got it in hand!

  Chuck


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 2025
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 01/08/94  4:24p
Subj: Hints w/LANtastic AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->You'll have to set the SX33 up as a server, and on the exit from PCTTMAIN
->(Errorlevel 100) created a semephore file like DOIT.NOW.

->have the nodes on the DX40 scan for that file across the network and if found

->1. Delete it
->2. Run PCUtils Checkx and port the new files over to the DX40
->3. toss them on the DX40

  this is EXACTLY what I did....before I even read this  :-}

  Thanx, Chuck


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 2026
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 01/08/94  4:25p
Subj: HINTS W/LANTASTIC AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I run a '386SX with the satellite receiver and use PCUTIL to move the incomi
->stuff to the '486 Mail Muncher upon receipt of the "marker file". The -SX jus
->goes back to receiving again. The Mail Muncher runs Qmail, crunches it all up
->and moves the mail and files to the BBS, another '486 running 10 lines of TBB
->and TIMS. That passes out the mail to my downlinks, including all files that
->they've signed up for via RAID, posts the files that I want on my own system
->into the BBS download areas, etc.

  Thanks Jim....doing that here as well.  Guess I sorta have a clue
  then?  :-}

  Chuck


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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 2027
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/09/94  2:45a
Subj: AD (Author Direct) FDN                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Thursday January 06 1994 00:23, Boyd Goodin wrote to All:

 BG> conditions that has been agreed apond by P.S.I. and Richard Holler is that
 BG> these file areas *CAN NOT* be distributed beyond the receiving system.

Including being posted on the host BBS?  How will they ascertain a file was
delivered by TIC, or just downloaded enmasse from the guy's bbs?  What in the
world gets into these guys?

 BG> That means that these files are not allowed to be passed on to other BBS's
 BG> by any means. They are for posting on your BBS only. If anyone is
 BG> caught passing these on with thier tics by any means will result in PC
 BG> loosing its authority to pick these up and pass them on to you and could
 BG> also mean that the offending system will lose its ability to subscribe to
 BG> PC. This FDN is *NOT* part of the fidonet filebone and is a private file
 BG> distribution network. Pleasse be aware of not forwarding any areas that
 BG> begin with AD- as this is a closed distribution. Hopefully this will be a
 BG> success and as work gets out to the authors you will see this area being
 BG> quite active.

Looks like an accident waiting to happen.  Telling guys "thou shalt not under
pain of death" is the same as saying, "Let see you figure out a way to do it
without getting caught!"

Scenario:

1) PC Sysop gets a ton of files and posts them on his bbs.
2) I see the files, download them (like any other regular user), and put them
up on my board.
3) Joe Sysop sees the files on my bbs, downloads them, and makes them FREQ'able
on his system.  Repacks and removes any "only PC people can have this on their
BBS" files and replaces them with his own DIZ, etc.

How the heck would they ever have any control over this setup?  Will their
shareware license inside say "do not distribute this to anyone for any reason?"
I thought the idea of shareware was the largest possible dissemination to the
largest possible audience?

Wierd.

Rick

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 2028
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/09/94  2:54a
Subj: AD (Author Direct) FDN                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Thursday January 06 1994 00:23, Boyd Goodin wrote to All:

 BG> distribution network. Pleasse be aware of not forwarding any areas that
 BG> begin with AD- as this is a closed distribution. Hopefully this will be a
 BG> success and as work gets out to the authors you will see this area being
 BG> quite active.

Why would an author use a system that won't let his files get out?  Defeats the
purpose of shareware.

Rick

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From: LEE BONNIFIELD                         Number: 2029
  To: KEN KAVANAGH                             Date: 01/09/94  3:51a
Subj: corrections                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

KK> C band operates at a much lower fequency 950-1450 gigahz as
KK> opposed to (i stand to be corrected I'm sure) around 35,000 gigahz for
KK> KU band

C band is around 4 gigahz and Ku is around 12 gigahz. Both C and Ku
band dishes use a block downconverter whose output is 950-1450 megahz.
                                                               ^^^
KK> rain gets in that frequency's way :)

Recently there was a really wet snow. It piled up vertically about 1"
thick on top of the feedhorn support pipes, which are only about 3/4"
dia, and the top edge of the dish had a stack about 2" high. I didn't
climb up on the roof to measure it but I bet there was an inch stuck
all over the face of the 2.5' dish (east Tennessee.) Still, WHILE the
snow was coming down thick I barely missed a bit - just one file,
which I got on cycle 2.

If you're really close to the line-of-sight path of a terrestrial
microwave link, you should worry about C band but Ku is not affected.

KK> [You need] a .30 degree lnb

make that 30 degrees Kelvin ( a measure of the noise level of the low
noise amplifier, the lower the better )

KK> a bunch of very expensive cable to run between this dish and your
KK> house hence your receiver (300USD, around 450 canadian

Huh? the cable is the same for C or Ku, and not very expensive - the
demodulator is what costs $300

KK> a satellite receiver (regular video kind) to aim the dish properly

Well that WOULD help but I aimed mine using mainly the signal strength
meter (my speaker didn't squeal like it should - flaky DIP switch?) I
did have the advantage of being able to see a nearby C band dish aimed
in roughly the direction of G4.

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 2030
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/08/94 11:22p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Can someome advise me what I need to change to keep WIldmail from
-> tossing my messages as they come back from the satellite?

    This is perfectly normal....if they didn't come back to you,
    nobody would see them.


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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 2031
  To: RANDY BLACKMOND                          Date: 01/08/94  1:56p
Subj: CRC errors                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Jan 03 21:35>, Randy Blackmond writes:

 RB>Looks like Boyd found the problem (DOS 6). I hear from reliable
 RB>tech people that if you want to go with DOS above 5.0, stick with
 RB>PC-DOS and avoid MS-DOS.

Dos 6 is known as "Gates Virus".  Rumor has it they needed something to
persuade more people to try Windoze NT.  :-)

D.

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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 2032
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/08/94  5:40p
Subj: My DV & PC Problems                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

This is an update of my problems running the pc software under desqview..

I've been playing around with more setups and changes, etc.. and still haven't
been able to figure out what the problem is.  I've disabled all other drivers,
cache programs, etc..etc.. and still no luck.

One thing that I have noticed is the data format changes on the pc port for
some reason.

I'm running X00 for my fossil driver here, which includes a handy XU program
for changing setups, and viewing port status.

When my PC software is running smoothly, the data format according to XU S is
8N1.  But when the pc system stalls (i.e.  sees NO data coming in.), the data
rate has magically chaned to 5N1.  This would explain why it's not 'seeing' any
data.  However have no idea as to why it's changing..

Does this tell anyone anything?  That perhaps might help me get this system
running successfully under desqview?

Thanks,
Bill

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2033
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/08/94  8:31p
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Friday January 07 1994 18:51, Terry Blount wrote to ALL:
Hello Terry!

I Got your CREAM2 file and requested
DIZ2BBS.*
DIZ2P110.ZIP
DIZMAN12.ZIP

and only got the following ABOUT. message in return..


The file you have requested doesn't seem to be available.  Let me
know what file you are tying to get and I'll see what is the matter.



 TB>                            D I Z  2  B B S

 TB>                              written by:

 TB>                              Terry Blount

 TB>                             File request
 TB>                               Diz2bbs
 TB>                            from 1:3625/441

 TB> Purpose:
 TB>         Diz2bbs.exe was written to extract File_id.diz  text  from
 TB>     .Zip Archives and build a Files.bbs listing  for a  bbs.  This
 TB>     is useful when descriptions are  missing  or  .TIC  files  are
 TB>     lost or unavailable.

 TB> Usage:
 TB>         Execute Diz2bbs.exe  from  the  directory  with  the  .zip
 TB>     files you don't have  descriptions  for.   The  work  will  be
 TB>     saved to a file named  File.bbs  to  prevent  overwriting  any
 TB>     pre-existing FileS.bbs.   The  file  size  and  date  will  be
 TB>     included.

 TB> Limitations:
 TB>         If there is no File_id.diz in the archive  the  file  name
 TB>     will be listed  in  the  File.bbs  text  but  the  description
 TB>     field will be left blank. The format for  the  File.bbs  is  a
 TB>     single, 256  character,  limitation.    This  means  that  the
 TB>     entire  File_id.diz  text  will  not  be  included...  so  the
 TB>     author is limited to describe his program in  250  characters.
 TB>      The  description  is  truncated  between  words  rather  than
 TB>     simply cutting it in the  middle  of a  word.  Diz2bbs  cannot
 TB>     identify bbs ads that have been inserted/  included  with  the
 TB>     File_id text... I suggest  we  kill  anyone  doing  this.  <g>

 TB>     At this time  Arj  (and  SDN)  compression  is  not  supported
 TB>     because I can't  figure  out  how  to  get  the  name  of  the
 TB>     archive the the File_id.diz came out  of  to  be  included  in
 TB>     the ascii text file the  descriptions  are  built  from.   The
 TB>     file  name  is  echoed  to   the  screen  with  the  following
 TB>     command:

 TB>     Arj s -y * *.diz

 TB>     HOWEVER  the command " Arj s -y *  *.diz    >>  work  "   does
 TB>     not save the name of  the  file  to  "Work"     I  had  always
 TB>     thought that anything shown on the screen  could  be  directed
 TB>     to a file name with ">" or ">>"     Since  the  file  name  is
 TB>     not saved (in the work file) there is no  way  to  figure  out
 TB>     which archive the description belongs to. If you know  of  how
 TB>     to resolve this problem let me know.

 TB> Registration:
 TB>          No  donations/fees/begging  is  requested  for  the  non-
 TB>     commercial use of this utility as long  as  you  understand  I
 TB>     am not responsible.  If you intend to  use  this  program  for
 TB>     commercial gain please  notify  me  first  and  consider  some
 TB>     form of compensation.

 TB>                                Enjoy!

 TB>                             Terry Blount

 TB> -+- timEd-A10c
 TB>  + Origin: Center  of  the  Cosmos   205-824-2611 (1:3625/441)


George Vandervort
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 (Beta-16)/Binkley 2.59wb

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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 2034
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/08/94  6:42p
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello George!

In a message to Boyd Goodin <01/07/94> George Vandervort wrote:

GV> Which version of MSDOS 5.0...
GV> the April 1991 version has a Number Algorithum Bug that calculated the Wr
GV> CRC value...
GV> the 11-11-91 Release of MSDOS 5.0 is a Bug Fix...

Do you have any data on PC DOS 6.1?  That is what I am using here. and
have had a few CRC errors.

Tom

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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 2035
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/08/94  6:44p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jim!

In a message to All <01/07/94> Jim St. John wrote:

JS> tried exporting a message from a Fido conference and sending out to
JS> PC.  All seemed to work fine, except, all 3 of the messages I sent
JS> re-appeared the next day and got tossed back into this conference.

That is correct.  If PC did not resend them down how would any else on PC
get them.  WildMail should see the message has been on your BBS and kill
it as a dup.  Make shure you have your dupe message data base set to at
least 30,000.

Tom

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 2036
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/08/94  2:31a
Subj: Ad (author Direct) fdn                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>   There will be an Author Direct FDN from Richard Holler going over the sat
BG>in about a day or two. This FDN contains author direct shareware programs an
BG>is intended for Planet Connect subscribers *ONLY*. One of the conditions tha
BG>has been agreed apond by P.S.I. and Richard Holler is that these file areas
BG>*CAN NOT* be distributed beyond the receiving system. That means that these

One of the hurdles Planet Connects has faced is File Distribution
Network Heads who think they can regulate how we pass files...

This is stupidity in action...

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From: CAM PRENTIS                            Number: 2037
  To: TIM BELLAART                             Date: 01/06/94  8:24a
Subj: Re: Equipment                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TB: I ordered and paid in full for a C band receiver and software
 > TB: on the last week
 > TB: of November . The receiver arrived DOA so I returned it the following
 > TB: week.
 > TB: The last I heard from Dave Smith of Westonia Computer on December
 > TB: 20th was
 > TB: that there was a delay from the supplier and the receivers where
 > TB: on their way
 > TB: from Ottawa and should be in Toronto the following day.

Sent my M.O. away on the first of December and got may receiver Jan. 5. It was
shipped on Dec. 29, so you should have it soon.

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2038
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/09/94  7:44a
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Friday January 07 1994 18:51, Terry Blount wrote to ALL:


 TB>                            D I Z  2  B B S

 TB>                              written by:

 TB>                              Terry Blount

 TB>                             File request
 TB>                               Diz2bbs
 TB>                            from 1:3625/441

 TB> Purpose:
 TB>         Diz2bbs.exe was written to extract File_id.diz  text  from
 TB>     .Zip Archives and build a Files.bbs listing  for a  bbs.  This
 TB>     is useful when descriptions are  missing  or  .TIC  files  are
 TB>     lost or unavailable.
 TB>                                Enjoy!

 TB>                             Terry Blount

 TB> -+- timEd-A10c
 TB>  + Origin: Center  of  the  Cosmos   205-824-2611 (1:3625/441)

Hello Terry!

Thanks for the DIZ2BBS.ZIP file...

it helped create a File.bbs for those 64 APOGEE files that were orphanded :-)

I used a Wildcard DIZ2BBS.* to freq the first time since I did not know what
Extention you were using.. and that freq failed...

Thanks again for sending me the file..

Regards,
George Vandervort
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 (Beta-16)/Binkley 2.59wb

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2039
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/09/94 11:25p
Subj: Re: test uplink to pc                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd this is just to test my uplink to you.  If this makes it to you
> could you holler back?  Thanks!
> -jim-


  Seems to be.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2040
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/09/94 11:40p
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> the April 1991 version has a Number Algorithum Bug that calculated the
> Wrong CRC value...

   The april version. Seems that it could have been a possibility with the scsi
drive being set up wa little to fast for the transfer rate. Slowed it down to
6.2 and seems to be working ok.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2041
  To: RUDY HEHN                                Date: 01/09/94 11:41p
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I'm going to be switching to Os/2 within a couple of weeks. Is there any
> way to make the dongle work under OS/2? I'd like to cut everything down
> to working on one system, instead of 3 machines running under Lantastic.

    The "LOCK" will not work under OS2.


..Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2042
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 01/09/94 11:43p
Subj: Re: UseNet and Stuff                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd, any word on when the UseNet feed is going to start coming
> over? Are you going to start with the ENTIRE feed, or maybe build its
> way up a bit?

    Hopefully within the next week and we are going to gradually biuld it up.
Wont not want to fill anybodies HD up! ;-)


...Boyd

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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2043
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/09/94  5:51p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> Can someome advise me what I need to change to keep WIldmail from
-> -> tossing my messages as they come back from the satellite?
->
->     This is perfectly normal....if they didn't come back to you,
->     nobody would see them.

You've got me confused now John!  I am sednding out messages from my
BBS, and yes they are part of the data stream back down from the bird,
but shouldn't the seen-bys keep them from being re-tossed into my own
system?
-jim-


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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 2044
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 01/08/94  1:31p
Subj: Pkunzip                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD> > [300/1200/2400/9600/14.4k]
JD> > | InterNET: [e-mail]
JD> > *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
JD> > =*=*=*=*

JD>Michael,
JD> We've all seen your BBS ad several times, is it necessary to insert
JD>it in every message you post? Or am I the only one irritated by this
JD>sort of excess baggage?

Nope. I call it "annoying"... may be "excessively annoying" soon ...

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 2045
  To: [e-mail]                       Date: 01/09/94  9:23p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

[e-mail] wrote in a message to All:

bmo> I'm getting most of the world wide groups except bionet and
bmo> the pictures groups and my feed is currently running about
bmo> 28 meg per day compressed with gzip -9. The bionet groups
bmo> were around 5 meg per day when they were cut over a year ago
bmo> and the pictures groups were 10 meg per day when they were
bmo> cut around thanksgiving. Article counts are currently
bmo> running around thirty three thousand per day.

I hope that we get the bionet groups and picture groups, they are just about
all that I am interested in, but I doubt we will.

bmo> These figures are averaged over a weeks time. The busiest
bmo> day is thursday when traffic can be half again the average
bmo> and can easily be over 100 meg after it's uncompressed.

that's the figure I heard.

[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 2046
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 01/09/94  4:04p
Subj: Hints w/LANtastic AI                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CW>   this is EXACTLY what I did....before I even read this  :-}

Great, Glad to hear it, All's well that ends well....

John.....

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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 2047
  To: [e-mail]                       Date: 01/10/94  1:36a
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > I've heard estimates of 25 to 30 megs a day coming down
-> > just for that.
-> > Can you, or anyone else give a good figure of how
-> > much to expect in compressed INTERNET traffic we
-> > should be ready to handle??
->
-> I'm getting most of the world wide groups except bionet and the pictu
-> groups and my feed is currently running about 28 meg per day compress
-> with gzip -9. The bionet groups were around 5 meg per day when they w
-> cut over a year ago and the pictures groups were 10 meg per day when
-> they were cut around thanksgiving. Article counts are currently runni
-> around thirty three thousand per day.
->
-> These figures are averaged over a weeks time. The busiest day is
-> thursday when traffic can be half again the average and can easily be
-> over 100 meg after it's uncompressed.
->

Hmm....
Looks like I will be adding that extra half
gig to the server sooner than I thought!!!

Thanks,
Fred


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From: RUSS CROOK                             Number: 2048
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/09/94 11:22a
Subj: AD (Author Direct) FDN                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

06 Jan 94 00:23, Boyd Goodin wrote to All:

 BG>    There will be an Author Direct FDN from Richard Holler going over the
 BG> sat in about a day or two. This FDN contains author direct shareware
 BG> programs and is intended for Planet Connect subscribers *ONLY*. One of the
 BG> conditions that has been agreed apond by P.S.I. and Richard Holler is that
 BG> these file areas *CAN NOT* be distributed beyond the receiving system.
 BG> That means that these files are not allowed to be passed on to other BBS's
 BG> by any means. They are for posting on your BBS only. If anyone is
 BG> caught passing these on with thier tics by any means will result in PC
 BG> loosing its authority to pick these up and pass them on to you and could

Duh, am I missing something here??  I thought that one of the reasons that FDNs
were created in the first place was to expedite the distribution of files and
file areas to as many systems that wished to participate.  Possible scenarios:

1) In our net, one of the members (Scott) decided in November to purchase PC
and did so and the net voted to re-imburse him (there had been previous
discussion on whether the net should get into PC 'now' or in a couple of months
"when all the bugs had been worked out" with the result that we got into it
'justaboutnow').  Scott now passes on the file/message areas to
   3 designated 'major' file/message hubs for distribution to the other hubs
   for distribution to the other members of the net. BUT if he passes on the
   'AD' file areas he is in trouble.

2) The NEC in a net happens to run on an Amiga (or Mac or anything not DOS)
   and does not run a BBS so when the 'AD' files come in he just deletes them
   because he is not allowed to pass them on to anyone else.

3) Scott gets the files in, doesn't pass them on and puts them on his BBS for
   downloading.  A user calls his board and downloads the file and then calls
   4 other boards and uploads the files.  Three of the boards that he uploads
   the file to are members of the local Fido Net that Scott was not allowed to
   'pass' the files onto.  Is Scott in trouble because this happened or should
   he set up a separate 'AD' file area and post a bulletin that any files
   downloaded from this area cannot be uploaded to any other bulletin boards
   and any BBS in the area that get an upload from a user should immediately
   send off a netmail message to Scott inquiring if the uploaded file could
   possibly have originated from his 'AD' file area.  Of course the one BBS
   that isn't part of the local Fido Net doesn't care where the file came from.

Am I missing something or am I just dumb?  If one board has 100 users that
download a particular shareware file and 3 people register the program perhaps
if 3 boards each had 100 users download the file the author might get 9
registrations for the program.  What you have just asked/stated just doesn't
make any sense to me.


Russ

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2049
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 01/09/94  5:05p
Subj: Is There Any Way...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Since newsgroups are supposedly coming over the sat soon - I don't su
-> would be possible to get a list of those that will be coming accross
-> ones that won't) so that we can start setting our systems up for it?
-> thought.


hmmmmmmm.......   the phrase I remember hearing was "the entire
usenet new feed".....

I am going to be VERY disappointed if that isn't so...

cheers...

Bill..


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From: DARYL TURNER                           Number: 2050
  To: RUSS CROOK                               Date: 01/10/94 12:49a
Subj: Re: AD (Author Direct) FDN              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <09-Jan-94 11:22:34> Russ Crook (1:348/402) wrote:

 RC> Am I missing something or am I just dumb?  If one board has 100 users
 RC> that download a particular shareware file and 3 people register the
 RC> program perhaps if 3 boards each had 100 users download the file the
 RC> author might get 9 registrations for the program.  What you have just
 RC> asked/stated just doesn't make any sense to me.

If you're dumb, then can I join you in the Dumb Club?  I cannot see
the reason for trying to limit the distribution of files so much as
well, especially when those are the files that users will die for in
the hunt for 'new files' to upload to other boards to maintain any
sysop-imposed ratios.

   Daryl
   SDM348


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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 2051
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/09/94  7:34p
Subj: Pkt Sort Utility Idea                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, there's a little utility making the rounds that will sort your
packets by area so your mail tosser can process them more quickly.  In
my testing here it seems to double the speed of my processor, whereas
the author says it speeds up Squish 5x.

Have you tinkered with it yet?  If we could bribe you into trying it
out and maybe running it then everyone who downlinks from Planet Connect
would see the increases!

PSRT_11B.ZIP 112274 01-09-94  PacketSorter v1.1b (bug fixed version)

(Bound executable for DOS & OS/2 operating systems.)

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 2052
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 01/08/94  3:24p
Subj: TIC'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > of 4 hours dinking with all that apogee software.. pulling out all
 > the .diz files, and merging them into my file directories. It was a

I have a batch file that extracts the FILE_ID.DIZ files, puts them into a
FILES.DIR, all automatically. It then takes about 10 minutes with a text editor
to get it into the format that TBBS expects for a psuedo-directory. It's the
same one I use for the monthly ASP shipment. So, yes, I'd *rather* have the
stuff with .TIC's, but can live without them if it's not a steady thing.

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 2053
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/09/94  8:52p
Subj: Hayes 28.8                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd,

If you do have a line with a Hayes 28.8 to receive upstream ECHO mail
bundles, would you be so kind to post the phone number so that I may
make use of it.

Best Regards,
Hans
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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 2054
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/09/94 10:52a
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> What issue was this in?  Was it the one where they discussed OneBBSCon?.
 >>  Or have they had a more indepth look at PC since that issue, like they
 >> said they would.  I keep meaning to send my subscription out for

 > No they haven't had a more indepth look at PC.  And
 > they missed Boyd when he had his two days off (that
 > scoundrel ;)

Hmm.. I just read the Jan. Issue of BW, and it looks as someone wrote a small
article on his experience with the PC system, and setting it up.  Hopefully
there will be more than just this coming out for BoardWatch.

Bill

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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 2055
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 01/09/94 10:56a
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >-> What issue was this in?  Was it the one where they discussed OneBBSCo
 >-> have they had a more indepth look at PC since that issue, like they s
 >-> would.  I keep meaning to send my subscription out for Boardwatch, bu
 >-> end up putting it off.  <sigh>

 >     It was the first issue I ever read. I believe it
 > to be September or
 > October. It was the one with just the review of
 > OneBBScon.


Yeah, thats also the one where they had a picture of Andrew Milner...  (RA
Programmer..)..

Also it's funny, but they had a picture of the PC Satellite system with a
caption (Yes, Os/2 Does to Satellites)  [not an exact quote].  Which there
still is no work-around for getting the dongle to work with OS/2...<grin>

Finally did mail out the subscription tho..:)

Bill

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From: MIKE MURRAY                            Number: 2056
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/09/94  2:04p
Subj: Information                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

How does a person go about getting Information on the PC system?


                            Mike....


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From: JAMES MCORMOND                         Number: 2057
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/07/94  8:08p
Subj: Re: BBS Software                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of Tu 04-Jan-94 16:29, Robert Hilgar wrote:

 RH> downlinks. I feel this is good. I can process a full days
 RH> feed here (Let's say 30,000 messages approx. 30-35

Does anyone have some actual stats on the number of messages that go through
PlanetC in the various formats/types?  (IE, Fido, QWK, UseNet, etc..).


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From: TONY WAGNER                            Number: 2058
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 01/10/94  9:52a
Subj: Re: Problem                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

Wednesday January 05 1994 12:31, John Lundell wrote to George Vandervort:


 ->> 9/999.999)
 ->> * 03 Jan 20:25:21 BINK Remote Uses D'Bridge 1.54/004770
 ->> : 03 Jan 20:25:21 BINK SysOp: **ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL
 ->> ACCESS from **ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL ACCESS**ILLEGAL
 ->> ACCESS**ILLEGAL

 JL> I too get that on occasion...

    That is a PASSWORD error.. you MUST be sure and add the SAME password on
ALL aka's, D'Bridge/All EMSI systems check ALL aka's for the correct password.

I recomend on multiline systems  like mine that you setup a common to all
directory and put the SESSION.PAS or whatever you want to call it file with the
session passwords in it Tnen point ALL systems to that file. I do the same with
my AREAFIX.PAS file.



    Tony Wagner
 1st Choice Communications I II III IV
 Voice # 503-224-6900 105/1,2,3,4
   FAX # [phone]

Why stop now, just when I'm hating it?

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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 2059
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/10/94 10:13a
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >-> thursday when traffic can be half again the average and can easily be
 >-> over 100 meg after it's uncompressed.

 > Hmm....
 > Looks like I will be adding that extra half
 > gig to the server sooner than I thought!!!

Hello Fred:
    Just a thought......but are you aware of the echo called..PCSITES.. which
comes over the satellite link and it is restricted for satellite downlink
systems to use....?

Regards.....Murray

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 2060
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 01/10/94 10:17p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->     Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE messages
-> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, because
-> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why I got
-> these?

   Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.


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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 2061
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/10/94 10:28p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

@02@NOTE: This message was originally addressed to TIM LAJOIE
      @02@and was forwarded to you by JOHN LYON
                          --------------------
->     Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE messages
-> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, because
-> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why I got
-> these?

   Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.


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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2062
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/10/94  9:11p
Subj: PC Questions                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

I am sitting here ready to roll with this PC.  But I do have a few questions i
would like to ask first to help me get a better understanding:


1) the file I FReq'd (Satelite.Zip) is date Sept 1993.  ARe the prices in there
still valid or do i need to get a newer file?

2) I only have 26 messages in this area right now.... And all seems well, but
how is the reliability of this system?

3) From what I understand I will be receiving the entire Fido Net Backbone.  My
question now is how to I send replies?  PC is a receive only system unless I
have missed something here.  Am I to assume that the packets going back up the
feed chain are to go the conventional telephone line & Hub system.  I ask
because I need to know if I am going to kill our net's "contact" with the RHub
that I currently poll.

If I am assuming correctly in the above how do I receive mail from one source
and send to another..... I have already figured that I would have to different
configurations for my Tosser.  One for tossing to the system and another for
tossing out of the net... Just wondering what the others out here are doing.


4) Could someone give me a basic rundown on how this system works?  Would I
have my mailer error out for and event and fire up software to run PC and
receive my feed?  Also i am running two nodes under DV,  Does that present a
problem?

5) I am also assuming that Boyd Goodin is the contact person for PC?!?!?!



Thanks for putting up with these questions.  Any and all replies will be
greatly appreciated... I think this is what I want... just need to make sure
(Hopefully it is... I am ready to roll - grin).


Rds,
-=Don=-


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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2063
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/10/94  9:23p
Subj: PC & UseNet                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

It's me again... the new guy dying to get into this and full of questions...

I had thought that UseNet was already being provided via PC.  From what I have
read (and again I only have 26 messages in this area so far) it appears that it
isn't on feed .... Are there any future plans to send it up to the bird<s>?
If so will there be an additional cost for this above and beyond the normal
service fee for PC and the fee we are paying for UseNet?

Just wondering...



Rds,
-=Don=-


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From: TIM BELLAART                           Number: 2064
  To: CAM PRENTIS                              Date: 01/10/94 10:34p
Subj: Equipment                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Cam!

06 Jan 94, Cam Prentis writes to Tim Bellaart:


 CP> Sent my M.O. away on the first of December and got may receiver Jan. 5. It
 CP> was shipped on Dec. 29, so you should have it soon.

Thanks for the note Cam. I've since received everything and all appears to be
running fine! Now comes all the work getting the software configured :-( and
start filling those hard drives!   Hummm, I'd better start looking at that
contract thingy again :-)

BTW, as Dave said, there was a delay getting the receivers from the supplier
in Ottawa.

Tim

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From: JAMES NERLINGER                        Number: 2065
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/11/94  4:28a
Subj: PC & Security.                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Is there a method by which a network can be encrypted so as to allow only
certain systems to receive the mail?

James.

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From: DANIEL LANSALL                         Number: 2066
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/11/94  4:33a
Subj: MDN-Macintosh Distribution Network      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi.

  I don't know much about Planet Connect.  Our sysop here is relatively new to
it too.  When he first started, a couple of megs of Mac files came down
throught the MDN-Macintosh Distribution Network.  Now since early Sept, there
hasn't been a single file.

  Does anybody know what's wrong?  Do you know what's being done to fix it?

and finally, does anyone know when it will start up again?

Daniel Lansall
1:359/230.1



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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 2067
  To: JAMES MCORMOND                           Date: 01/11/94  5:34p
Subj: BBS Software                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > In a message of Tu 04-Jan-94 16:29, Robert Hilgar
 > wrote:

 >  RH> downlinks. I feel this is good. I can process a full days
 >  RH> feed here (Let's say 30,000 messages approx. 30-35

 > Does anyone have some actual stats on the number of
 > messages that go through PlanetC in the various
 > formats/types?  (IE, Fido, QWK, UseNet, etc..).


There is a base called PCSTATS I beleive is the name.  That contains the stats
of the echomail for Fidonet.   It's updated every day.  Take a look at that.
It just has info on the Fido bases..

Bill

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2068
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 01/11/94  5:51p
Subj: Crc Errors                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Foxy!

In a message to Dave Osborne <01/10/94> Foxy Ferguson wrote:

FF> DO>In a msg on <Jan 03 21:35>, Randy Blackmond writes:

FF> DO> RB>Looks like Boyd found the problem (DOS 6). I hear from reliable
FF> DO> RB>tech people that if you want to go with DOS above 5.0, stick with
FF> DO> RB>PC-DOS and avoid MS-DOS.

FF> DO>Dos 6 is known as "Gates Virus".  Rumor has it they needed something t
FF> DO>persuade more people to try Windoze NT.  :-)

FF> chuckle... anybody for Dr.Dos 7 ?
 Is it out yet?

Joe

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * Artificial Intelligence: The other guy's opinion.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2069
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/11/94  5:53p
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

In a message to George Vandervort <01/10/94> Terry Blount wrote:

TB>  George  Vandervort  wrote  in  a   message   to   Terry   Blount:

TB> GV> Hello Terry!

TB> GV> Thanks for the DIZ2BBS.ZIP file...

TB> GV> it helped create a File.bbs  for  those  64  APOGEE  files  that
TB> GV> were orphanded :-)

TB>  Glad you found it useful ...it took me all day to write it.

TB>  Unfortunately if there is no File_id.diz there is  nothing  short
TB>  of manually  reading  the  docs  that  anyone  can  do  to  get a
TB>  description.   Let me know if you can figure out how to  get  the
TB>  file name that is written to the  screen  when  ARJ  runs  to  be
TB>  written into the file with  the   ">"   function.   This  has  me
TB>  baffled... but again that's easy to do.   I really  want  to  use
TB>  the description provided by the author but I have to convert  the
TB>  .ARJ  files   to   .ZIP   in   order   for   Diz2bbs   to   work.

Try the append to a file function ">>"  works without
overwritting the previous line.

Joe

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * Become a programmer and never see the world!!

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 2070
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/11/94  7:39p
Subj: Trash netmail                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Looks like *I* was the source for the dupe loop of garbage netmail.

I should have it fixed now.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 2071
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/11/94  8:01p
Subj: Sorting                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>    The "LOCK" will not work under OS2.

Any time table for it to work under OS/2 yet?

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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 2072
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/11/94 11:41p
Subj: Status Report...                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I'm patiently waiting.. but I need update reports <G>

RIMEnet

ILink

Usenet (entire)

How are they going?  Hope RIME will be soon!  It's my KEY long distance connect
right now and will reduce my phone bill by TONS....

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 2073
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/10/94  5:43p
Subj: SIG                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > JD>  We've all seen your BBS ad several times, is it necessary to insert it
> JD> in every message you post?

 > Sorry about that.. it is a "SIG" that is automaticly appended to every
 > message for every user.

AARRRGGGGHHHHH!!! And then, you attach it again! How are we every going to
train our users to not over-quote and put all that excess garbage into the
echos if we do it ourselves? I just saw a message with 2 screens of quotes and
2 lines of original material.

Somewhere, someone is paying serious amounts of $$$ to haul over-quotes and
your $%#@!% BBS ad around the country. It is not only unnecessary, but annoying
as well. I'm making a formal request to you to cease and desist; there's a
place for BBS ads, and that's in the BBS_ADS echo.

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 2074
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/11/94  8:08p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jim St. John wrote in a message to All:

JSJ> PC doesn't strip the seen-bys do they?  And none of this
JSJ> explains (to me at least) why the dupe-checking is missing
JSJ> them....

No but your message tosser may do dupes by a different method than seen-by
comparision (eg - MSGID #).

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2075
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/11/94  1:06p
Subj: Is There Any Way...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> hmmmmmmm.......   the phrase I remember hearing was "the entire
-> usenet new feed".....
->
-> I am going to be VERY disappointed if that isn't so...

A conversation with the folks at PC yesterday yielded: "90-95%, but
probably no 'x-rated' stuff".  Sounds like no "alt.sex"!  And they are
still working on pricing apparently.
 -jim-


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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 2076
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/11/94  9:01p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jim!

In a message to Thomas Kinnen <01/10/94> Jim St. John wrote:

JS> I realize they should be coming back to me in the data stream.  But I
JS> have my dupe level at 40,000 so I'm sure that's not the problem.
JS> And even if they were not caught as a dupe for some reason, shouldn't
JS> they get discarded anyway because of the seen-by lines?
JS> That's what's got me  *really* confused!

That's part of the reason I use Gecho to preprocess the mail for the net.
WildMail gave me a ton of problems with seen-by's and paths and GoMail
does it fine but is too slow due to the Btrive Databases WC uses to
process the entire feed for the net.

Tom

 * WCE 1.5/2101 * RAM DISK is NOT an installation procedure!

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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2077
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 01/11/94  9:19p
Subj: PC & UseNet                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I had thought that UseNet was already being provided via PC.  From wh
-> read (and again I only have 26 messages in this area so far) it appea
-> isn't on feed .... Are there any future plans to send it up to the bi
-> If so will there be an additional cost for this above and beyond the
-> service fee for PC and the fee we are paying for UseNet?

Don, this is from a conversation I had with the folks at PC on Monday:
   The Usenet feeds will begin after they get their ISDN line installed,
    this was supposed to be this week sometime.

   They will begin gradually and ramp it up over time.

   They will carry "90-95%" of the newsgroups, but probably not the
   'x-rated' stuff.

   They are still working on a pricing structure for folks who want
   Newsgroups *and* the other stuff.

-jim-


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 2078
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 01/11/94  6:21p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hello Fred:
->     Just a thought......but are you aware of the echo called..PCSITES
-> comes over the satellite link and it is restricted for satellite down
-> systems to use....?

No, not at all!!

And since I have squish set to toss everything, OR,
keep the bad messsages to toss later, then why haven't
I seen them laying around???

All along I've felt that PC should have an info
file that is updated and sent out describing all the
options and resources that are comming down off the bird.
Sure wish there was one.
Or is there one and I've missed that too???

In any event, what do I have to do to get it???

Thanks,
Fred

P.S.,
Well, I just called PC.
Seems that it's restricted alright, but I'll have to
call back on Wed to get an answer as to why I'm not getting
it. That person with the answer is not in right now.

Oh well!!!!

Anyone out there have a copy of
"The Hitch-hikers guide to Planet Connect" ????  <:)


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 2079
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/11/94  6:23p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ->     Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE messa
-> -> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, becau
-> -> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why I g
-> -> these?
->
->    Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.
->
->

Ditto,
Two days in a row now.

BUT, the probelm that this causes is that
my system wanted to send them to George Peace
at Protostar!!

Since the To: and From: lines were all messed up,
FD said "Hay off to the backbone with ye" !!!

Oh well!!!


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From: MICHAEL PIERCE                         Number: 2080
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 01/10/94  7:24p
Subj: SIGNATURE FILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On <08 Jan, 13:31>, Foxy Ferguson wrote to Jim Dunmyer :

FF> JD> We've all seen your BBS ad several times, is it necessary to insert
FF> JD>it in every message you post? Or am I the only one irritated by this
FF> JD>sort of excess baggage?
FF>
FF> Nope. I call it "annoying"... may be "excessively annoying" soon ...

you must not get/read and sort of USENET areas or have seen any message
from a Waffle system?????? all users can create their own sig files (which
is what it is!) I will remove the BBS Name and Number but the rest are
various ways to reach me.
Besides the fact that you are not the moderator, and I have not see any
rules against any "SIGNATURE FILE" in this or any fido echo!



                               <* Michael *>

MRTG: A dirty book is seldom dusty.

*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
| FidoNET: 1:105/81.5                                   EchoNET: 50:5017/81.5
| InterNET: [e-mail]
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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 2081
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/11/94  2:53p
Subj: Hooray!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Glad to see this one finaly made it on the bone!
Anyone ever notice how the files are written to the hard drive?
If you don't use some kind of disk cache, the hd light will blink at the same
rate as the blocks being recieved.
To avoid this (and make hd last longer) install a disk cache and set the Long
write delay to maximum (or a large number) that way it will not attempt to
write to the hard drive until the file has been TOTALY recieved..
I use Lancache here with excellent results.
Set LONG_WRITE_DELAY=3600

-Joe
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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 2082
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/11/94  6:23p
Subj: RE: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > GV> Thanks for the DIZ2BBS.ZIP file...
 >
 > GV> it helped create a File.bbs  for  those  64  APOGEE  files  that
 > GV> were orphanded :-)
 >
 >  Glad you found it useful ...it took me all day to write it.

Terry...

I FReq'd DIZ2BBS.ZIP from you 06:54 CST this morning and got your ABOUT file in
return...

<harumph>

                                --==jb==--

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2083
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/11/94  4:05p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ->     Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE messa
-> -> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, becau
-> -> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why I g
-> -> these?
->
->    Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.
->
->
-> --- WM v3.10/92-0069
->  * Origin: The Outer Limits 4 Nodes  (1:2380/400.0)
->

it's the 11th, and I got them again today....   kill the messages,
delete and get an error....  WCREPAIR them, and it still won't
fix the database...  have to delete the whole thing, and you
know what that does to message pointers (g).....

is this just a Wildcat/Wildmail problem?   anyone with other
Wildcat tossers experiencing this?

Bill....


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2084
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 01/11/94  4:10p
Subj: PC Questions                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> 1) the file I FReq'd (Satelite.Zip) is date Sept 1993.  ARe the price
-> still valid or do i need to get a newer file?

I think the prices are still valid, but of course a phone call
will confirm that.....

-> 2) I only have 26 messages in this area right now.... And all seems w
-> how is the reliability of this system?

I've been online for about two weeks now and it is WUNNNNERFULLLLLL...

-> 3) From what I understand I will be receiving the entire Fido Net Bac
-> question now is how to I send replies?  PC is a receive only system u
-> have missed something here.  Am I to assume that the packets going ba
-> feed chain are to go the conventional telephone line & Hub system.  I
-> because I need to know if I am going to kill our net's "contact" with
-> that I currently poll.

in your tosser you set up an AKA of 1:3615/51...   your UPLINK
is 1:3615/50, and yes, you get back into the system by the
traditional method of enriching Ma Bell...  back to PC at
1:3615/50.....    and you do kill your conventional hub, but
you still need to poll periodically for routed netmail....

-> If I am assuming correctly in the above how do I receive mail from on
-> and send to another..... I have already figured that I would have to
-> configurations for my Tosser.  One for tossing to the system and anot
-> tossing out of the net... Just wondering what the others out here are

only one configuration...  the aka allows the incoming stuff to
come into your system...

-> 4) Could someone give me a basic rundown on how this system works?  W
-> have my mailer error out for and event and fire up software to run PC
-> receive my feed?  Also i am running two nodes under DV,  Does that pr
-> problem?

that's exactly what I do, except I do it on a LAN...

I don't think you will be disappointed...

cheers...

Bill...


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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2085
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/12/94  7:28a
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILIT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  Unfortunately if there is no File_id.diz there is  nothing  short
->  of manually  reading  the  docs  that  anyone  can  do  to  get a
->  description.   Let me know if you can figure out how to  get  the
->  file name that is written to the  screen  when  ARJ  runs  to  be
->  written into the file with  the   ">"   function.   This  has  me
->  baffled... but again that's easy to do.   I really  want  to  use
->  the description provided by the author but I have to convert  the
->  .ARJ  files   to   .ZIP   in   order   for   Diz2bbs   to   work.

Terry I remember you talking about this earlier, but don't remember the
specifics.  If you could re-post a specific description of what you are
trying to do with ARJ I will forward it to the Rime ARJ conference, the
author hangs out there, and I suspect he would know if anyone would!
-jim-


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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2086
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/12/94  1:30p
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Fred Seibel wrote in a message to Murray Pletsch:

-> Hello Fred:
->     Just a thought......but are you aware of the echo called..PCSITES
-> comes over the satellite link and it is restricted for satellite down
-> systems to use....?

FS> No, not at all!!

FS> And since I have squish set to toss everything, OR,
FS> keep the bad messsages to toss later, then why haven't
FS> I seen them laying around???

FS> In any event, what do I have to do to get it???

Try adding PCSITES to your squish.cfg.....You are definately getting it if you
are getting the mail....

FS> Well, I just called PC.
FS> Seems that it's restricted alright, but I'll have to
FS> call back on Wed to get an answer as to why I'm not getting
FS> it. That person with the answer is not in right now.

Its only restricted in the sense that it is a 'for your eyes only' if you are a
PC downlink.

[e-mail]

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2087
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 01/12/94  7:39p
Subj: RE: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Tuesday January 11 1994 18:23, John Burton wrote to Terry Blount:


 >> GV> Thanks for the DIZ2BBS.ZIP file...
 >>
 >> GV> it helped create a File.bbs  for  those  64  APOGEE  files  that
 >> GV> were orphanded :-)
 >>
 >> Glad you found it useful ...it took me all day to write it.

 JB> Terry...

 JB> I FReq'd DIZ2BBS.ZIP from you 06:54 CST this morning and got your ABOUT
 JB> file in return...

 JB> <harumph>

 JB>                                 --==jb==--

 JB> -+- TMail v1.31.5
 JB>  + Origin: gated by sandbox.nova.com (1:147/34)

Hello John!

the Trick is to use ONLY  "DIZ2BBS"  not ZIP and No wildcard..

however, You can also Get it from my address below by the full file name..
DIZ2BBS.ZIP  it works great..

Regards,
George Vandervort
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 (Beta-16)/Binkley 2.59wb

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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2088
  To: THOMAS KINNEN                            Date: 01/12/94  6:51p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> JS> I realize they should be coming back to me in the data stream.  B
-> JS> have my dupe level at 40,000 so I'm sure that's not the problem.
-> JS> And even if they were not caught as a dupe for some reason, shoul
-> JS> they get discarded anyway because of the seen-by lines?
-> JS> That's what's got me  *really* confused!
->
-> That's part of the reason I use Gecho to preprocess the mail for the
-> WildMail gave me a ton of problems with seen-by's and paths and GoMai
-> does it fine but is too slow due to the Btrive Databases WC uses to
-> process the entire feed for the net.

It's hard to imagine anything slower than Wildmail!  What exactly does
Gecho do?
-jim-


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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 2089
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/12/94  3:46p
Subj: PC & UseNet                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jim St. John wrote in a message to Don Waybright:

JSJ>    They will begin gradually and ramp it up over time.

JSJ>    They will carry "90-95%" of the newsgroups, but probably
JSJ> not the    'x-rated' stuff.


I have heard that the sex stuff and binary sex stuff is 40-50% of the usenet
backbone.

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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2090
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/11/94 10:56p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ->     Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE messa
-> -> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, becau
-> -> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why I g
-> -> these?
->
->    Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.

    Well, its now the 11th, at 10:55pm EST, and I just finished tossing
the days feed. Today we had 264 GRUNGED "so called" Netmail messages.
Anybody have a clue about what the heck is going on here?


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 2091
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/12/94 10:20a
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >-> Just a thought......but are you aware of the echo called..PCSITES
 > No, not at all!!

Thats what I thought.

 > Sure wish there was one.
 > Or is there one and I've missed that too???

Well there are some new info files they are sending out now, should be in your
SKYDATA directory.

 > In any event, what do I have to do to get it???

Hmmm.....the PCSITES echo has always been in the daily dump. For the life of me
I do not know why you would not be getting it.

 > call back on Wed to get an answer as to why I'm not getting
 > it. That person with the answer is not in right now.

Rots a ruck....!

Regards.....Murray

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2092
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/12/94 12:04p
Subj: Is There Any Way...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> hmmmmmmm.......   the phrase I remember hearing was "the entire
-> -> usenet new feed".....
-> ->
-> -> I am going to be VERY disappointed if that isn't so...
->
-> A conversation with the folks at PC yesterday yielded: "90-95%, but
-> probably no 'x-rated' stuff".  Sounds like no "alt.sex"!  And they ar
-> still working on pricing apparently.

that is going to be a BIG disappointement to many users.....

(including me...)

cheers..

Bill..


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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2093
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/12/94  8:07p
Subj: Trash netmail                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

In a message to Boyd Goodin <01/11/94> Todd Lyons wrote:

TL> Looks like *I* was the source for the dupe loop of garbage netmail.

TL> I should have it fixed now.

TL> See ya                                                      Todd
Hope da dingy is fixed, gets old deleting messages out of front
door.
By the way what was it anayway.

Joe

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * It's a great place, and the drinks are cold!

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2094
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/12/94  8:13p
Subj: SIGNATURE FILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Michael!

In a message to Foxy Ferguson <01/10/94> Michael Pierce wrote:

MP> FF> JD> We've all seen your BBS ad several times, is it necessary to inse
MP> FF> JD>it in every message you post? Or am I the only one irritated by th
MP> FF> JD>sort of excess baggage?
MP> FF>
MP> FF> Nope. I call it "annoying"... may be "excessively annoying" soon ...

MP> *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
MP> | FidoNET: 1:105/81.5                                   EchoNET: 50:5017/
MP> | InterNET: [e-mail]
MP> *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*
You almost got it, now how about all the *=*'s, we can do without
this excess bagage as well.

Joe

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * KLEPTOMANIA!  Take something for it!

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 2095
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/13/94  3:07a
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> ->     Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE me
-> -> -> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, be
-> -> -> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why
-> -> -> these?
-> ->
-> ->    Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.
-> ->
-> ->
->
-> Ditto,
-> Two days in a row now.
->
-> BUT, the probelm that this causes is that
-> my system wanted to send them to George Peace
-> at Protostar!!
->
-> Since the To: and From: lines were all messed up,
-> FD said "Hay off to the backbone with ye" !!!

   Well it's the 12th now and I got another 150 - 200 again today!
   This is about 6 days in a row!


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2096
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/13/94 12:51a
Subj: Trash netmail                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Looks like *I* was the source for the dupe loop of garbage netmail.
->
-> I should have it fixed now.

    Hmmmm, just finished tossing the 12th's mail about 3 hours ago and
still ended up with another 62 grunged NetMail messages.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: BOB FRADY                              Number: 2097
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/12/94 10:06p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

FS>BUT, the probelm that this causes is that
FS>my system wanted to send them to George Peace
FS>at Protostar!!

FS>Since the To: and From: lines were all messed up,
FS>FD said "Hay off to the backbone with ye" !!!



Same here, I'm running Wildcat BBS software and am unable to delete them
from my message base. I get a database error stating that there is an
invalid key (index) to the database. I wind up checking my netmail area
for anything new that is valid and hasn't been sent off yet, moving it
to another conference and deleting all files associated with my netmail
area and letting it build a new one them moving the valid messages back
so they can go out. It's really a pain. If I don't, the next time I
collect all outgoing mail, it'll pick them up and send them on
downstream, repeatedly. It doesn't catch that they've already been sent
either.

I've learned to check my netmail area daily after the mail has been
processed to keep from sending these back to the backbone.

Bob


 * OLX 2.1 TD * Cardassian Burger: How many pickles do you see?


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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 2098
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/10/94  4:33p
Subj: Re: UseNet and Stuff                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

[%%} A MSG dated 01-09-94, was written to Tim Lajoie by Boyd Goodin {%%]

BG> > Boyd, any word on when the UseNet feed is going to start coming
BG> > over? Are you going to start with the ENTIRE feed, or maybe build its
BG> > way up a bit?
BG>
BG>     Hopefully within the next week and we are going to
BG> gradually biuld it up. Wont not want to fill anybodies HD
BG> up! ;-)

Care to give an indepth explaination about this?  What is necessary to process
these files?  Who do I contact?  There are a lot of grey areas here that need
to be cleared up please.



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From: EMMETT PERDUE                          Number: 2099
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/12/94  1:45p
Subj: Trash netmail                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


TL> Looks like *I* was the source for the dupe loop of garbage netmail.
TL>
TL> I should have it fixed now.

SHAME on you...<G>.....really If you were, THANKS for finding and
correcting that problem....AND admitting it <G>

Those messages were really causing me to have to perform alot of
"operator intervention" here...

Emmett
   MegaMail 2.10 #905:A SPITFIRE Support BBS Since 1990
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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 2100
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/13/94  7:48p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bill!

In a message to John Lyon <01/11/94> Bill Roper wrote:

BR> it's the 11th, and I got them again today....   kill the messages,
BR> delete and get an error....  WCREPAIR them, and it still won't
BR> fix the database...  have to delete the whole thing, and you
BR> know what that does to message pointers (g).....

I'm not haveing a problem with them but I am pretossing the packets with
Gecho on a seperate node.  I have found in the past if you get grabage
messages in Wildcat that deleteing the messages with WCPRO usually fixes
them with no need to WcRepair.

Tom

 * WCE 1.5/2101 * Pi R Squared? No. Pie R round, Cornbread R square!

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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 2101
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/13/94  7:53p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jim!

In a message to Thomas Kinnen <01/12/94> Jim St. John wrote:


JS> It's hard to imagine anything slower than Wildmail!  What exactly does
JS> Gecho do?

Actually GoMail is Faster Then WildMail (at least in my setup <---) Gecho
is a Hudson/Msg message base echo processor and get about 600-900 Msg/min
when doing passthrough. All mail from Planet Connect is received on
371/3901 and Gecho forwards it to the rest of my net inculding my own
bbs 371/39 (3901 never touches my message base and never touches the BBS
except to pass human callers to it).  The other Wilcat sysop in the are
uses GoMail and carries the entire BackBone and it takes him 3-7 hours to
toss,  where Gecho takes less then and hour to toss and packet all the
out bound mail.

Tom

 * WCE 1.5/2101 * Pick two: [1] Fast   [2] Right   [3] Cheap

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From: WALLACE SHELDON                        Number: 2102
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/12/94  5:12p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> ->     Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE messa
-> -> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, becau
-> -> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why I g
-> -> these?
->
->    Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.
->
->

Same thing here.  I'm getting 10 or so garbage messages tossed to my Netmail
area per toss.

        Wally


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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 2103
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/13/94  3:26a
Subj: Signature File!!!!!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MP>FF> Nope. I call it "annoying"... may be "excessively annoying" soon ...

MP> you must not get/read and sort of USENET areas or have seen any
MP> message from a Waffle system??????

Nope. Never bothered with UseLessNet stuff.

MP> all users can create their own sig files (which
MP> is what it is!) I will remove the BBS Name and Number but the rest
MP> are various ways to reach me.

Is that what it is? Ummmm.

MP>Besides the fact that you are not the moderator, and I have not see any
MP>rules against any "SIGNATURE FILE" in this or any fido echo!

Sorry. Just been plagued recently by a smart-assed punk sysop who keeps
attaching five and six-line sig files to his one-line wise-cracks.

And, no, I haven't seen any rules against it either.

So I'll endeavor not to be annoyed by yours.

Regards, Foxy

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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 2104
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 01/13/94  3:42a
Subj: Crc Errors                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JL>Hello Foxy!

How do, Joe. Nice to hear from neighbors. <g>

JL>In a message to Dave Osborne <01/10/94> Foxy Ferguson wrote:

JL>FF> chuckle... anybody for Dr.Dos 7 ?

JL> Is it out yet?

Not 'sfar as I know. I'm looking for it.

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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2105
  To: LISA GRONKE                              Date: 01/13/94 11:29p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> You can't expect your tosser not to toss messages that have your node
-> SEEN-BY line. After all, in a conventional setup, all messages arrivi
-> bundles for you have your node number in the SEEN-BYs.
->
-> As to why your dupe checker is not catching them, what tosser are you

I guess that makes sense.  I'm using  Wildmail.
-jim-


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From: JERRY DUNLAP                           Number: 2106
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/13/94  7:28p
Subj: PC & UseNet                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > -> I had thought that UseNet was already being provided via PC.  From
 > wh-> read (and again I only have 26 messages in this area so far) it
 > appea-> isn't on feed .... Are there any future plans to send it
 > up to the bi
 > -> If so will there be an additional cost for this above and beyond
 > the-> service fee for PC and the fee we are paying for UseNet?
 >
 > Don, this is from a conversation I had with the folks at PC on
 > Monday:
 >    The Usenet feeds will begin after they get their ISDN line
 > installed,
 >     this was supposed to be this week sometime.


ISDN lines are in and equipment is being installed.  Should be ready within 3-5
days at most. (I think)  We will increase the feed tonight so by the time you
read this, you should have increased by quite a lot.  We hope to have it up to
full capacity by middle of next week, barring any unforeseen problems.

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 2107
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/13/94  8:07p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->I realize they should be coming back to me in the data stream.  But I
->have my dupe level at 40,000 so I'm sure that's not the problem.

->And even if they were not caught as a dupe for some reason, shouldn't
->they get discarded anyway because of the seen-by lines?

->That's what's got me  *really* confused!

  I sent Derek K. (WildMail) a message on this this morning.  I don't
  think WM is looking at your main address when the AKA is kicked in.
  Hope to hear from him shortly.  BTW, my dupe level is 65,000 and I get
  my own messages tossed right back in when received.

  Chuck


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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 2108
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/13/94  5:48a
Subj: SIGNATURE FILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > you must not get/read and sort of USENET areas or have seen any message
 > from a Waffle system?????? all users can create their own sig files
 > (which
 > is what it is!) I will remove the BBS Name and Number but the rest are
 > various ways to reach me.

It's redundant is the point here, Michael...

Your ORIGIN line tells us how to reach you..   The EchoNet stuff is nice to
know, but not necessary, the InterNET address is just a "gateway" FidoNet
address.  In other words, it's NOT a unique address.

I think what folks are trying to tell you is simply that your continued
addition of unnecessary junk is not appreciated...

If you wish to list your addresses, why not make sure they're unique addresses,
not just reconstituted FidoNET addresses....

If you wish to advertise your system's existance, why not turn on BBS_ADS...

Comments invited in NetMail or to [e-mail]

                                --==jb==--

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2109
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/13/94  5:31p
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

In a message to Joe Lyda <01/12/94> Terry Blount wrote:

TB> JOE LYDA wrote in a message to TERRY BLOUNT:

TB> TB>  description.   Let me know if you can figure out how to  get  the
TB> TB>  file name that is written to the  screen  when  ARJ  runs  to  be
TB> TB>  written into the file with  the   ">"   function.   This  has  me
TB> TB>  baffled... but again that's easy to do.   I really  want  to  use
TB> TB>  the description provided by the author but I have to convert  the
TB> TB>  .ARJ  files   to   .ZIP   in   order   for   Diz2bbs   to   work.

TB> JL> Try the append to a file function ">>"  works without
TB> JL> overwritting the previous line.

TB> That doesn't work either.  Only the text in the File_id.diz is saved to t
TB> file.  The file name that it came from (which is written to the screen) i
TB> saved in the output file.


TB> Try this:

TB> arj s -y * *.diz  >> outfile


TB> Even thought the file name is echoed to the screen it won't
TB> appear in the "outfile"  with the .diz text.

Well try this and it will work to the file but no echo to screen

arj l *.sdn *.diz >> outfile

Joe

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From: RANDY BLACKMOND                        Number: 2110
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 01/13/94  7:47p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 TL>     Well, its now the 11th, at 10:55pm EST, and I just finished tossing
 TL> the days feed. Today we had 264 GRUNGED "so called" Netmail messages.
 TL> Anybody have a clue about what the heck is going on here?

I've been getting them pretty much every day for the last few days. They are
more than likely grunged echomail messages that the mailer/tosser can't figure
out so it treats them as net messages. This bothers me because that means we're
LOSING MAIL! A lot of people think "so I lost a couple hundred (or even a
thousand) messages today... big deal. There'll be plenty more tomorrow." That's
bad. I've had messages addressed to me that I read in an echo on the
originating system never make it down to my system over the satellite. That's
bad news, especially for a shareware author who tries to provide echomail
support! I guess all we can do is hope all these little glitches get ironed out
SOON. Land lines are looking better and better all the time... What's the point
in having cheap mail if it's unreliable? I'd rather pay more and be more
confident that my outbound and inbound mail will get to where it's supposed to.

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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 2111
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/13/94  6:46p
Subj: RE: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > JB> I FReq'd DIZ2BBS.ZIP from you 06:54 CST this morning and got
 > JB> your ABOUT file in return...
 >
 > I'll put it on hold for you.   I don't know why so many people are
 > getting it and some don't?

Thanks, Terry...

POLL aCommin'....


                                --==jb==--

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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 2112
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/13/94 10:23p
Subj: FILE ANNOUNCEMENT                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > "When are you going to make an OS/2 version?"
 >
 >     Go away.  Use your DOS box. :-)

I loved this line. Just for that I'll have to have a look at psort. Incoming
FREQ.

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 2113
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/13/94  1:09p
Subj: Trash netmail                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Looks like *I* was the source for the dupe loop of garbage netmail.

   You should be flogged with a wet noddle for at least 15 mins! :)


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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 2114
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 01/13/94 12:29p
Subj: Trash netmail                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TL> Looks like *I* was the source for the dupe loop of garbage netmail.

 > Hope da dingy is fixed, gets old deleting messages out of front door.
 > By the way what was it anayway.

Forward-for all
Except 1:3615/50

I added the second line and it quit routing them all back to Boyd.  If they're
still coming in then it's no longer my fault :)  That's assuming that my
return-routed netmail even made it past 3615/50 to 3615/51.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 2115
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/13/94  5:30p
Subj: SIGNATURE FILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > is what it is!) I will remove the BBS Name and Number but the rest are
 > various ways to reach me.
 > Besides the fact that you are not the moderator, and I have not see any
 > rules against any "SIGNATURE FILE" in this or any fido echo!

Michael,
 It's not a matter of "the rules" banning signature files or excessive quoting,
for that matter, it's just plain manners. I read echos for information, and in
some cases, entertainment. Excess baggage in messages detracts severely from
both, IMO. We don't really need all those "various ways to reach" you, either,
all we need is a Fido address, as we're all in FidoNet.

Let's extrapolate a bit: What if everyone, in every conference, added all that
crap, starting with the top of the message:

"On Jan. 11, Michael Pierce mumbled to Foxy Ferguson:" (Isn't this information
in the message header displayed on your board? It is on mine.)

And ended with a signature file similar to yours? That would add immensely to
the traffic volume, and to what purpose? NONE!

And, I frankly don't CARE with the Usenet/Internet newsgroups have in their
message headers. I've seen that stuff, and feel exactly the same way about it.

Until getting my PC setup, I paid serious money every single month to the TelCo
to import echomail for our Net. Much of that money was wasted, simply hauling
around garbage such as your "signature file". Many people are still handling
echomail via TelCo, and are STILL paying to transport that overhead. What you
are saying in essence is, "I am vain, and I'm going to attach my signature file
to every message, and I don't CARE *what* it costs you. Tough!"

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 2116
  To: JOE HAYES                                Date: 01/13/94  5:33p
Subj: HOORAY!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No


 > If you don't use some kind of disk cache, the hd light will blink at
 > the same rate as the blocks being recieved.
 > To avoid this (and make hd last longer) install a disk cache and set

Joe,
 I don't think I'd worry about it. First of all, it's probably not going to
affect your HD life to any great degree, and one reason is that the writes
mostly involve NO mechanical head movement if you're running on a dedicated
machine. It is a bit different, of course, if you're multi-tasking.

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From: TIM BELLAART                           Number: 2117
  To: JUSTIN MCDERMID                          Date: 01/13/94  2:38a
Subj: Dish size                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Justin!

11 Jan 94, Justin Mcdermid writes to All:

 JM> Does anyone in Canada run a C band receiver setup with the Planet connect
 JM> setup and if so, what size dish?  I have access to a 9' dish and was
 JM> wondering if it would work at my latitude.  I'm in the sunny Okanagan city
 JM> of Vernon, BC. just a bit north of Kelowna.                      Thanks.

I've got an eight foot spun dish here Justin and it's working great since I
installed the receiver last week.

Please say hello to Jake Block (of 1:353/370) for me! :-)

Tim

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2118
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/14/94  8:04a
Subj: Re: Garbage Netmail Messages            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Thursday January 13 1994 03:07, John Lyon wrote to Fred Seibel:


 -> -> ->> Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE me
 -> -> ->> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, be
 -> -> ->> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why
 -> -> ->> these?
 -> ->>
 -> ->> Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.
 -> ->>
 -> ->>
 ->>
 ->> Ditto,
 ->> Two days in a row now.
 ->>
 ->> BUT, the probelm that this causes is that
 ->> my system wanted to send them to George Peace
 ->> at Protostar!!
 ->>
 ->> Since the To: and From: lines were all messed up,
 ->> FD said "Hay off to the backbone with ye" !!!

 JL>    Well it's the 12th now and I got another 150 - 200 again today!
 JL>    This is about 6 days in a row!
 JL> -+- WM v3.10/92-0069
 JL>  + Origin: The Outer Limits 4 Nodes  (1:2380/400.0)

Hello John!

knock on wood.. :-)
So far all Wed 12th and Thur. 13 mail bundles have process ok on my system
without any problem.. and Wed was a BIG load of mail...

I still don't really know what cause the corruption of my Message base on the
10th and 11th, except that PCUTILS allowed several Bad Bundles of Mail with CRC
Errors to be moved to my TOSS Directory...


Regards,
George Vandervort
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 (Beta-16)/Binkley 2.59wb

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From: BILLY MORING                           Number: 2119
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/14/94  1:18a
Subj: Test export                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,

This is a test of my export setup... If this makes it back to Skyboard, please
send a reply to me, so I will know my export is working...

Thanks
Billy Moring


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From: JASON BUCHANAN                         Number: 2120
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/13/94  7:58p
Subj: Sorting                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


hey Boyd!  what's up?

In a msg of <Sunday January 09 1994 - 23:41>,
Boyd Goodin wrote to Rudy Hehn about "Sorting":

 BG>     The "LOCK" will not work under OS2.

When when-oh-when will it?  I'd give my left tnu to go back to OS/2...

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 2121
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 01/14/94  8:02a
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Craig Clark wrote in a message to Rudy Hehn:

CC> could help? I'm in the support business, and Lantastic is
CC> one of the products we sell and support.

I am not familiar with Lans at all. I currently use Fastwire to move files from
one machine to another. Will Lantastic connect an IBM PS/2 Model 50 to a clone?
Or, is ther any other Lan that will do this?

Regards,
           Robert

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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2122
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/14/94  5:42a
Subj: New Subscriber                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I've noticed a lack of messages on this echo in the past week or so.  I've just
ordered the KU kit and I hope you guys are still around to help when I take
delivery....  :-)

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 2123
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/14/94  5:41p
Subj: AD file areas                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

Boy, that topic sure died a quick death!  Have the AD file areas started coming
in yet, so we great unwashed can get some programmer names to contact?

Rick

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From: MICHAEL PIERCE                         Number: 2124
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/14/94 11:40a
Subj: FLAMES!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

To all you jerks! all of my messages that I have ever posted (except this one)
have *ALL* had the signature file attached!
If I was posting without one, then added one, you *might* have a reason to
complain. you people really show a lack of brains or understanding when it
comes to software! I see why you have soooooooooo many problems getting your
feed setup correctly!
I have since completely scrapped the sig file generator (thanks you jerks!)
this will be my last post in this echo so don't waist the message to respond!

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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 2125
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 01/14/94  2:29p
Subj: HOORAY!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD> Joe,
JD> I don't think I'd worry about it. First of all, it's probably not
JD> going to affect your HD life to any great degree, and one reason is
JD> that the writes mostly involve NO mechanical head movement if you're
JD> running ona dedicated machine. It is a bit different, of course, if
JD> you're multi-tasking.

Well Jim, I'm not a Hard Drive Guru or anything like that, but I can't see how
you would say writing to a hard drive APX. 3 times a second isn't much
different that once every few minutes.
Apart from the mechanical movement of the accuator arm, the heads draw a small
amount of current each time they are written with.
I suppose you could (in a VERY broad term) say it was like switching a light
bulb on/off 3 times a second versus 1 time a minute?? I know Light bulbs and
Drive heads are different.
I find that seeing the hd light only blinking when the entire file is written
makes me feel a lot better..

Anyone else got any input??

-Joe
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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2126
  To: FOXY FERGUSON                            Date: 01/14/94 12:57p
Subj: Crc Errors                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Foxy!

In a message to Joe Lyda <01/13/94> Foxy Ferguson wrote:

FF> JL>Hello Foxy!

FF> How do, Joe. Nice to hear from neighbors. <g>

FF> JL>In a message to Dave Osborne <01/10/94> Foxy Ferguson wrote:

FF> JL>FF> chuckle... anybody for Dr.Dos 7 ?

FF> JL> Is it out yet?

FF> Not 'sfar as I know. I'm looking for it.

Me too. It sounds promising as a operating system though.

Joe

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2127
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/14/94  1:01p
Subj: Trash netmail                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Todd!

In a message to Joe Lyda <01/13/94> Todd Lyons wrote:

TL>  > TL> Looks like *I* was the source for the dupe loop of garbage netmail

TL>  > Hope da dingy is fixed, gets old deleting messages out of front door.
TL>  > By the way what was it anayway.

TL> Forward-for all
TL> Except 1:3615/50

TL> I added the second line and it quit routing them all back to Boyd.  If th

TL> still coming in then it's no longer my fault :)  That's assuming that my
TL> return-routed netmail even made it past 3615/50 to 3615/51.

TL> See ya                                                            Todd

Well I hope everyone can have the same success you have.  Thanks.

Joe

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * Sometimes you just have to say 'What the heck'

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 2128
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/14/94  7:06a
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> it's the 11th, and I got them again today....   kill the messages,
-> delete and get an error....  WCREPAIR them, and it still won't
-> fix the database...  have to delete the whole thing, and you
-> know what that does to message pointers (g).....

    Delete them with WCpro (if you have it) it works fine that way for
    me.


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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 2129
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/14/94  9:47p
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILIT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Terry Blount scripted in a message to Jim St. John:

TB>  Normally the  ">"  or  ">>"  will redirect _everything_
TB> that  is  written to the screen to a file....

DOS's redirect functions > and >> will direct everything that goes to stdout;
anything destined to stderr still goes to the screen.  I'm still looking for a
way to redirect the stderr stream ...


   ... Remus ...


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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 2130
  To: KERRY SUTLEY                             Date: 01/14/94  9:13p
Subj: Plan_conn                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Kerry Sutley wrote in a message to All:

KS>   Im looking for a processor for the bag files to either
KS> convert them   to Fido msg format to be processed by my
KS> tosser (GECHO) or a stand   alone that will do both. Any

Try Fred19Q.Arj ...... Fredgate will handle it and there are other options but
none I've found to be easier while still doing a good job of conversion.

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2131
  To: KERRY SUTLEY                             Date: 01/14/94  9:52a
Subj: Plan_conn                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Kerry Sutley babbled profusely in a message to All:


 KS>   Hi Boyd and All,
 KS>   Im looking for a processor for the bag files to either
 KS> convert them   to Fido msg format to be processed by my
 KS> tosser (GECHO) or a stand   alone that will do both. Any
 KS> Ideas out there???

The usenet/fidonet gateway software I wrote is still in beta, and currently
stands at a version number of ".96"..  It does handle the .BAG format (which is
really .x/.d files minux the .x file).  If you're interested, file request
"GIGO" from 1:203/7707.

Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2132
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/13/94  9:50p
Subj: PC & UseNet                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message Jim St. John to Don Waybright it was said:

-> I had thought that UseNet was already being provided via PC.  From wh

 JSJ>    They will begin gradually and ramp it up over time.

 JSJ>    They will carry "90-95%" of the newsgroups, but probably
 JSJ> not the    'x-rated' stuff.

 JSJ>    They are still working on a pricing structure for folks
 JSJ> who want    Newsgroups *and* the other stuff.


Thanks very much for the reply.  Again, I am rareing to go on this.  I have
sent Boyd Goodin a NetMail message with a few questions and I have sent the PC
people a FAX with the same questions.  --- How long to you think it will be
until I hear from them?

How did the overall setup go with your system?


Rds,
-=Don=-


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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2133
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/13/94  9:56p
Subj: PC Questions                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message Bill Roper to Don Waybright it was said:

 BR> in your tosser you set up an AKA of 1:3615/51...   your
 BR> UPLINK is 1:3615/50, and yes, you get back into the system
 BR> by the
 BR> traditional method of enriching Ma Bell...  back to PC at
 BR> 1:3615/50.....    and you do kill your conventional hub, but
 BR> you still need to poll periodically for routed netmail....


Great... this clear up alot... So it looks like 1:3615/50 will be going on "Yea
ole Friends & Family" soon.

 BR> only one configuration...  the aka allows the incoming stuff
 BR> to come into your system...

Gotcha!

-> 4) Could someone give me a basic rundown on how this system works?  W
-> have my mailer error out for and event and fire up software to run PC
-> receive my feed?  Also i am running two nodes under DV,  Does that pr
-> problem?

 BR> that's exactly what I do, except I do it on a LAN...

Ok... sounds like a plan and i am glad to hear it works well on the LAN for you
for that will be my next little project after this one (Yea so far it looks
like I am going to make the plunge... I sent PC a Fax... Hope they got it and
will respond soon with additional info... mayeb a follow up call would be a
good idea)

 BR> I don't think you will be disappointed...

Sounds like I won't.  If I could trouble you could I ask how "Easy" it was to
get the system up and running once the equipment arrived?  Any tips for the
really newcomers!? <g>



Rds,
-=Don=-


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From: JOHN BIERRIE                           Number: 2134
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 01/13/94  6:19p
Subj: RE: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Burton, in a message to Terry Blount, you wrote:

 > GV> it helped create a File.bbs  for  those  64  APOGEE  files  that
 > GV> were orphanded :-)
 >
 >  Glad you found it useful ...it took me all day to write it.

JB> I FReq'd DIZ2BBS.ZIP from you 06:54 CST this morning and got
JB> your ABOUT file in return...

John,
     You weren't the only one...:-)

John

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 2135
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/14/94  9:48a
Subj: RE: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

George Vandervort wrote in a message to Terry Blount:

GV> you original Notice did not make it clear that DIZ2BBS was a
GV> Magic name for File Request..

Yes... there is a bug in my docs!   I must have been falling asleep by the time
I finished writing the program and started with the docs.   I have set it up so
it will come by asking for almost anything.  <g>

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 2136
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 01/14/94  9:51a
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JOE LYDA wrote in a message to TERRY BLOUNT:

JL> Well try this and it will work to the file but no echo to
JL> screen

JL> arj l *.sdn *.diz >> outfile

That command does not show the contents of the *.diz file so the description is
not witten to the outfile... only the file name.

Try this on a .zip file and then look at the outfile to see what is needed when
I use Arj.

pkunzip /c * *.diz  >>  outfile


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From: JEFF CAMERON                           Number: 2137
  To: JOE HAYES                                Date: 01/12/94  9:11p
Subj: Re: Hooray!                             Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

JH>Anyone ever notice how the files are written to the hard drive?
JH>If you don't use some kind of disk cache, the hd light will blink at
JH>the same rate as the blocks being recieved.
JH>To avoid this (and make hd last longer) install a disk cache and set
JH>the Long write delay to maximum (or a large number) that way it will
JH>not attempt to write to the hard drive until the file has been TOTALY
JH>recieved.. I use Lancache here with excellent results.
JH>Set LONG_WRITE_DELAY=3600

That looks like a very good solution to my problem. I am running a 286
for the planet, and it writes to the 486 hardrive. I only have one meg
of ram, but do have two simm slots.  How big of a cache_size are you
setting?  Could I get away with this with 2 more meg? Also, I read that
only the dedicated server should have this. I am running both machines
as servers, but if I only read the drive that gets written too with
the 486..I suspect I should be safe. Any opinion on
that?  I'm new to Lan,but love it.
                    [Jeff]

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2138
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 01/15/94 11:49a
Subj: FILE ANNOUNCEMENT                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tracy Mickley babbled profusely in a message to Jason Fesler:


 > "When are you going to make an OS/2 version?"
 >
 >     Go away.  Use your DOS box. :-)

 TM> I loved this line. Just for that I'll have to have a look at
 TM> psort. Incoming FREQ.

Give me another day, and there will be an OS/2 version (another sysop ported it
for me).  :-)  I'm getting the final tweaks on the sorting done now, to handle
various situations on split usenet messages.


Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2139
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/15/94 11:57a
Subj: SIGNATURE FILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > is what it is!) I will remove the BBS Name and Number but the rest are
 > various ways to reach me.

 JD>  It's not a matter of "the rules" banning signature files or
 JD> excessive quoting, for that matter, it's just plain manners.

...

 JD> overhead. What you are saying in essence is, "I am vain, and
 JD> I'm going to attach my signature file to every message, and
 JD> I don't CARE *what* it costs you. Tough!"

Another way to look at it.  There are, for sake of argument, 700 long distance
links.  Actually, far more, but these are just the number of nets.  I'm not
going to count all of the long distance nodes within a net (we only have about
a _dozen_ in ours alone), if you don't count the (comparatively) few number of
P_C sites.

Now, your extensive signature, each time you write your message, adds close to
another 1k.  Granted, that's small at high speed.  But globally, multiply that
by about 700.  Okay, 700k ain't _quite_ as small.  In US phone rates, which are
the cheapest in the world for the most part, that's going to translate to an
additional $1.50, for every extensive signature that's 10 yards long.

Mind if we bill ya?

The reason we gripe is because when there are more than just _you_ doing it, it
starts adding up quite heavily.  Anyone moving the mail and paying for it knows
it.

Jason Fesler
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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2140
  To: JOE HAYES                                Date: 01/15/94 11:26p
Subj: HOORAY!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> Well Jim, I'm not a Hard Drive Guru or anything like that, but I can'
-> you would say writing to a hard drive APX. 3 times a second isn't muc
-> different that once every few minutes.
-> Apart from the mechanical movement of the accuator arm, the heads dra
-> amount of current each time they are written with.

I agree with the original response.  If you're not multi-tasking, then
the drive isn't going to be seeking all over the place, and writing once
per block doesn't involve any more head movement than if you cached.
The current drawn by the head isn't really significant, I have never
heard of a head burning out!  In any case it's still 'six of one', you
are writiing the same number of sectors overall, whether it's 1-2 at a
time, or all at once.
-jim-


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From: WALLACE SHELDON                        Number: 2141
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/15/94 11:47p
Subj: PSORT                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jason,

I tried your psort program, and it works very well.  For my purposes, I like
the idea of being able to delete unwanted messages from the packets rather than
have to delete them later.  Since I'm using Maximus with OS/2 it takes a VARY
LONG TIME to delete the unwanted messages (unlike DOS where it's almost
instant).  However, I don't like the idea of having to copy AREAS.BBS to the
mail directory to accomplish this.  Could you be persuaded to spend the 2 1/2
to 5 minutes needed to allow the program to read an optional command line and
find the AREAS.BBS in it's normal location?  BTW, your program does work in a
DOS box in OS/2, but it doesn't trigger the DOS box like a normal DOS program.
You have to make the DOS box first before it will run, so in order to get it to
work you have to call it from a DOS .BAT file using the batch file to trigger
the DOS box.

My impression is that you are using Watcom to program with.  Doesn't Watcom do
OS/2??  If you need an OS/2 compiler, have you looked at the GNU EMX C/C++
compiler?  You can turn out Family programs that run in both DOS & OS/2, and it
offers a DOS Extender (and it's free!).  With C it's a VERY short road from DOS
to OS/2, especialy when no interface is involved (a matter of minutes).

        Wally


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 2142
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 01/15/94  3:56a
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
-> Its only restricted in the sense that it is a 'for your eyes only' if
-> PC downlink.
->

All is fixed.
Thanks for the tip.


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 2143
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 01/15/94  3:57a
Subj: What the HELL@!!!!!!!                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Rots a ruck....!
->
-> Regards.....Murray

All fixed.

Thanks!!

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 2144
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/15/94  3:59a
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    Well it's the 12th now and I got another 150 - 200 again today!
->    This is about 6 days in a row!
->

I spoke to Boyd voice.

He's working on it.

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 2145
  To: ALBERT GAYLORD                           Date: 01/15/94  4:01a
Subj: Re: Garbage Netmail Messa               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> They got delivered here both times to the same point, 1:105/40.44  I
-> haven't heard a peep out of him.  I didn't say anything because I was
-> how long it would take him to ask me about it.
->
-> Albert

OK. Someone get the bug spray out.
I have a broom.
Somone get a dust pan.
Anyone out there have and empty 40 cyd roll off??

Fred


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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 2146
  To: BOB FRADY                                Date: 01/15/94  4:06a
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Same here, I'm running Wildcat BBS software and am unable to delete t
-> from my message base. I get a database error stating that there is an
-> invalid key (index) to the database. I wind up checking my netmail ar
-> for anything new that is valid and hasn't been sent off yet, moving i
-> to another conference and deleting all files associated with my netma
-> area and letting it build a new one them moving the valid messages ba
-> so they can go out. It's really a pain. If I don't, the next time I
-> collect all outgoing mail, it'll pick them up and send them on
-> downstream, repeatedly. It doesn't catch that they've already been se
-> either.
->
-> I've learned to check my netmail area daily after the mail has been
-> processed to keep from sending these back to the backbone.
->
-> Bob

Hmm.... Guess I'm luckey then!!

I run WC too, but am also the Nhub for my net.

I use SQUISH on that system and it seems to
"pull" all the grunged messages out and toss them into
that system. Thus, I am able to send "clean" bundles
to the rest of the net.

Wanna link in ??    :)


Fred


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2147
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 01/15/94  1:37p
Subj: PC Questions                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  BR> 1:3615/50.....    and you do kill your conventional hub, but
->  BR> you still need to poll periodically for routed netmail....
->
->
-> Great... this clear up alot... So it looks like 1:3615/50 will be goi
-> ole Friends & Family" soon.

you won't be spending a great deal of time online with them, as
the traffic going back to them will probably take just a minute
or two to send....    and MCI turns out to be more expensive than
my Sprint Select plan....    just received a $30.00 check from
MCI (cash it and they change your phone to their service....)
so I called and talked quite awhile with them...

and then cashed the check...   I have 6 lines into the house,
so changed the one that I never make ld calls on (g)....

-> will respond soon with additional info... mayeb a follow up call woul
-> good idea)

VERY good idea....

-> Sounds like I won't.  If I could trouble you could I ask how "Easy" i
-> get the system up and running once the equipment arrived?  Any tips f
-> really newcomers!? <g>

I already had a satellite system, and being somewhat technical in
that field anyway, didn't have any problems at all...   put a
splitter in the line off the LNB (the $20.00 splitter they want
to sell you cost me $4.50....), ran a piece of RG59 (no...  I
didn't use RG6) to the room with the computers, plugged it in
to the data receiver, cable from the receiver to a serial port
on the computer, installed the software and configured it (that
took all of 3 minutes...), put the satellite on G3 (odd numbered
transponder) and started receiving data.....

it really is pretty simple, Don...

cheers..

Bill..


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2148
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/15/94  1:37p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> it's the 11th, and I got them again today....   kill the messages,
-> -> delete and get an error....  WCREPAIR them, and it still won't
-> -> fix the database...  have to delete the whole thing, and you
-> -> know what that does to message pointers (g).....
->
->     Delete them with WCpro (if you have it) it works fine that way fo
->     me.

found that out the last day we got the grunged stuff, John....

thanks for the input..

cheers..

Bill..


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2149
  To: FRED HATFIELD                            Date: 01/15/94  2:15p
Subj: New Subscriber                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I've noticed a lack of messages on this echo in the past week or so.
-> ordered the KU kit and I hope you guys are still around to help when
-> delivery....  :-)


Hi, Fred....   long time no talk-to....

I think John Woodward is online, and a local call is always
better than echomail (g)....

cheers...

Bill (K5IF)....


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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 2150
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/15/94  2:19p
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 RH> I am not familiar with Lans at all. I currently use
 RH> Fastwire to move files from one machine to another.
 RH> Will Lantastic connect an IBM PS/2 Model 50 to a clone?

Sure will; the least expensive product is Lantastic-Z which works over serial
or parallel ports and requires no extra hardware.  Moving up from there you
would purchase an ethernet starter kit which has all the s/w, h/w and cables
for a two-workstation LAN.  If you will be moving a considerable amount of
files/messages back and forth you will want the ethernet version as it is much
faster.

Lantastic-Z will work on Micochannel, ISA or EISA as it just uses the serial or
parallel ports.  For ethernet, you can get Microchannel, ISA or EISA boards.

-=- Craig.


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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2151
  To: BILLY MORING                             Date: 01/15/94 10:28p
Subj: Test export                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Billy!

In a message to Boyd Goodin <01/14/94> Billy Moring wrote:

BM> Boyd,

BM> This is a test of my export setup... If this makes it back to Skyboard, p
BM> send a reply to me, so I will know my export is working...

BM> Thanks
BM> Billy Moring

It did not make it here.

Joe

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From: JERRY RUSSELL                          Number: 2152
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/14/94  3:23p
Subj: DATES                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, Looking at my Index files, it seems that the DATE is correct but the DAY
is wrong. This happened about the 1st of the year !
Any thoughts ?

 Regards
 Jerry

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2153
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/14/94  4:58p
Subj: Support Problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Boyd, it seems we have a little problem here.

    On 20 Dec, PTCCMAIN notified us, for the first time, that we had 3 days
remaining on our subscription.  I spoke with someone at Planet Connect the
same day who basically could barely manage to identify himself over the phone
and was therefore unable to provide us with the necessary information to renew
our subscription, nor did he have authorization to renew our subscription
according to this gentleman.  The following day, we faxed a copy of our
contract to your offices @ 3:07pm and received confirmation of it's receipt,
(and yes, we do have the originals as well as the confirmation report).  The
following day, we called to confirm that it had been received and to get our
subscription renewal code.  Fortunately, we spoke with you and all was taken
care of.  So we thought.

    Sometime this AM, the satellite machine errored out and ptccmain would not
re-load, kept saying that our subscription was expired (security error) and
wouldn't do anything.  There was absolutely *NO* warning that our subscription
was nearing it's expiration and since we renewed our subscription with you on
the 22nd of last month for a 1 yr subscription we had no reason to believe
that this might occur.


    We spoke with Dan a few minutes ago who told us the
following:

 - Our subscription had not been renewed because my Visa card expired 12/93
   (They don't expire until the last day of the month, and at any rate, why
    were we not notified of this?  It isn't as though the people at your
    office were unable to send netmail.)

 - Dan then asked if we had reset our clock.

 - Our contract specified a yearly subscription, yet according to Dan, the
   subscription code you issued us on the 21st was for 53 days, retroactive
   to 15 Nov. and *should* have expired on the 7th of this month.  The code
   he initially gave us was for a 3 month subscription.  When we queried
   him as to why we had to renew our yearly subscription every 3 months he
   re-checked our contract and issued us a subscription code for the period
   of 1 year.


    Now, my question to you as a representative of Planet Connect, is if this
is the type of service we can expect from your company?


    If there is a problem processing someone's payment for a subscription, I
don't think it's too much to ask that your subscriber, or potential subscriber
as the case may be, be notified of it so that the necessary actions can be
taken.  This helps to contribute to keeping customer satisfaction high as well
as the added benefit of ensuring that your company is paid for it's services.

    Also, it's maddening to call your company only to speak with individuals
who apparently are not knowledgeable about your services and/or are not
authorized to make a decision or take effective action at the time of the
call.

    And last, but certainly not least, there is apparently no effective form
of organization at Planet Connect as evidenced by the fact that on occasions
when I have called & spoken with some of the others they were unable to find
any information regarding our subscription.  This does not speak well of your
company, Boyd, nor project a very encouraging picture of your services.

    For the most part, we've been very happy with the services of Planet
Connect and have endorsed it to it's fullest, but I am dismayed and extremely
unhappy with the most recent state of affairs.  Please tell me that this will
improve in the near future, Boyd.  Lie if you must.

                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 2154
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/15/94  4:31p
Subj: Plan_conn                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Kerry Sutley:

JF> The usenet/fidonet gateway software I wrote is still in
JF> beta, and currently stands at a version number of ".96"..
JF> It does handle the .BAG format (which is really .x/.d files
JF> minux the .x file).  If you're interested, file request
JF> "GIGO" from 1:203/7707.

Hi Jason.

        I've been using fred and haven't tried GIGO yet. You are the author?
   How does it compare to fred in utility? Does you package convert back and
   forth between usenet and fidonet packets and also handle net/email? How
   difficult is it to set up, configure, and administer?

                      Regards,
                           Dan W.

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 2155
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/27/93  9:33p
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>    Man you bink guys are die-hards aren't ya.

I believe the author says it best:

"Arrogant hackers do it for free..."

BinkleyTerm platforms:

Atari
DOS
OS/2
Unix (Linux atleast)
NT

No one else comes close...8-) <ducking>


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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2156
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/30/93  6:41a
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Does anyone have any ideas what these File distribution areas are?  They
 > showed up on the bird over this last weekend.
 >
 > 2-BBS
 > 2-PIC
 > 2-WINDOW



    They should be in your Filebone.na list dated 12-29-93, Dave.  They are
part of the 2nd Tier SDN areas that will apparently be coming over the
satellite now.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2157
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/30/93  6:44a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  BG>   Man you bink guys are die-hards aren't ya.
 >
 > Heyyyyyyyy, when you got the best, why switch.  :-)



    Oh, are you running InterMail now also, Dave?  <g>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2158
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 12/30/93  6:49a
Subj: Re: net messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > BinkleyTerm platforms:
 >
 > Atari
 > DOS
 > OS/2
 > Unix (Linux atleast)
 > NT



    You forgot Amiga, Eddie.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2159
  To: JEFF WARD                                Date: 12/31/93 12:21p
Subj: TVAgent                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > TVAgent you sent out, but the shutter door was crsuh off of the diskette
 > itself. I'm able to run the disk, but it has no protection. Could I get
 > you to send another copy? I can send the old disk back if you wish.



    Why not cannabalize an old 720k disk and use it to replace everything
with?  Would be a whole lot faster and simpler than sending the old one back
and then waiting for a new one.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2160
  To: DAVID WROBEL                             Date: 01/06/94  9:04p
Subj: Re: Areas.bbs & Pc                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > instead of Echomail - They said you have to make them *ALL* passthru in
 > order for Tick to 'ADD' areas as passthru when it autocreates.  Still,
 > this really isn't quite what we were looking for though.



    David, you might take a look at Allfix as it doesn't require this of you
and has some other nice features that you might enjoy.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2161
  To: JOHN MCCONNELL                           Date: 01/06/94  9:14p
Subj: help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > comming over planet connect and all we want is a list of WHAT FIDONET
 > ECHOS ARE AND ARE NOT CARRIED VIA PLANET CONNECT? IS THAT TO MUCH TO
 > ASK???? AND IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS SUCH A LIST PLEASE
 > SEND US A COPY. thanks to anyone who can help



    Have you tried looking for files called fidonet.na and fidonet.no that
come over the satellite from time to time in the file echo area BACKBONE,
John?  Those are the actual lists of what is available currently via the
north american backbone and a pretty good indicator of what echoes you can
expect coming over the satellite connection.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2162
  To: TIM BROWN                                Date: 01/06/94  9:22p
Subj: CRC problems                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > JJ> Yepper's your not alone....   Mostly the LIMBAUGH echo and a few
 > JJ>others....

 > Obviously a femi-nazi or Clinton/liberal plot!

               ^^^^^^^^^


    A what?  You should be roundly thumped for that one, Tim.  <g>


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2163
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/06/94  9:34p
Subj: Re: What the HELL@!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > > Please guys, I think you need to know something about us FidoNet
 > > net echo coordinators.  We contracted with Planet Connect to get our

 >    Now you need to know something about us. We have just as many systems
 > out there that are not in fido as we do fido-systems. Do not think that
 > we are only dealing with fido here. Do not think that every file around



    Boyd, just a thought here on the subject, but since this echo is a FidoNet
echo and therefore all we see are the FidoNet side of the equation, why not
gate this echo to the other nets that go over the satellite so that we can all
get a more rounded bit of input from other subscribers of your service?  This
would serve several functions, not the least of which would be at least the
perception of better 'support' via the various othernets without your having
to possibly answer the same or similar mail in 10 different echoes on 7
different networks.

    Anyway, was just an idea I thought I'd share with you for what it's worth.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2164
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/06/94  9:38p
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >   We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the sat.
 > BIG mistake on my part.


    Yeah, I wanted to thump you myself, Boyd.  Lack of drive space wasn't a
problem here but files that arrive without a tic file, accompanying note or
netmail of some type tend to be ignored or 'forgotten' since they can't be
automagically processed and without viewing each and every one of them it's
often difficult to figure out what the heck the file contains.  Plus, some of
the files were dated pre-1991.  Ack! Phffffft!


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2165
  To: BRIAN HESS                               Date: 01/08/94  4:01p
Subj: Re: ZyXELnet                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BH>  JM> Doesn't seem that they are.  Anybody know why?
 BH>
 BH> I know that we are NOT getting them here over the dish....



    You might re-check your Tick or Allfix configuration, Brian, as I've
received files via the ZyxelNet FDN as recently as a few days ago.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2166
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 01/15/94 11:35p
Subj: AD file areas                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Have the AD file areas started coming in yet, so we great unwashed
 > can get some programmer names to contact?



    Yes, the Author Direct stuff has been flowing in over here at the rate of
2 or 3 new areas per day, Rick.  I haven't had time to check out the files
being sent, but so far they look nice.


                        --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2167
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/14/94 12:33a
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> ->     Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE me
-> -> -> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, be
-> -> -> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why
-> -> -> these?
->
-> it's the 11th, and I got them again today....   kill the messages,
-> delete and get an error....  WCREPAIR them, and it still won't
-> fix the database...  have to delete the whole thing, and you
-> know what that does to message pointers (g).....
->
-> is this just a Wildcat/Wildmail problem?   anyone with other
-> Wildcat tossers experiencing this?

    The first quote was from me. I am using WildMail and one of the
batches of grunged NetMail messages TRASHED my Netmail Database.
WCRepair wouldn't fix. I had to delete the files for that conference and
start fresh. Not a nice treat!

    But on the bright side, it has only done that once so far.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: JAY DESIO                              Number: 2168
  To: KERRY SUTLEY                             Date: 01/15/94  9:12a
Subj: Plan_conn                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Im looking for a processor for the bag files to either convert
 > them to Fido msg format to be processed by my tosser (GECHO) or a
 > stand alone that will do both. Any Ideas out there???

Depending on what BBS package you are running, you have afew choices out there.

For TBBS, there is PIMP (from Boardwatch Magazine) that will handle the bag
files just fine (once unarchived).

For WildCat!, there is WILDUUCP! (from Computer Resources) and WCUUCP! from
Mustang. I haven't had the opportunity to work with either of these yet, but I
believe they will also handle the mail bags.

I'm not sure what else is out there, but I hope the above helps somewhat.

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From: GARY HEDBERG                           Number: 2169
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/14/94 10:13p
Subj: File Announcement                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jason,
Will PSort hadle XXXXXXXX.DDx files (Mail Bags) or just PKT files? If it
will automatically unzip mail bundles and then sort the .PKT's inside of
the zip, it would be a great utility.

* Gary *
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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2170
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/15/94  4:31p
Subj: FLAMES!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Michael Pierce wrote in a message to ALL:

MP> To all you jerks! all of my messages that I have ever posted
MP> (except this one) have *ALL* had the signature file
MP> attached!

Well.....I didnt say anything to you about it but I am sure that I speak for
most of the ones that did when I say 'We are sorry your ego is bruised but dont
let the door hit you in the a** on the way out'.......sheesh.......

[e-mail]

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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2171
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 01/14/94 11:33p
Subj: PC Questions                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message Jeff Olesen to Don Waybright it was said:


 JO> You import them using an AKA of 1:3615/51. Then you export
 JO> as yourself WITHOUT the AKA of 1:3615/51. See, Boyd makes
 JO> his packet by creating packets for a mythical sub-node of
 JO> his called 1:3615/51. Then he takes the resulting packets
 JO> and fires them out the link to all of us. When we call him,
 JO> if our systems put a seen-by of 1:3615/51 in it, his system
 JO> will refuse to toss it because it's already been seen by
 JO> 1:3615/51. This also means that any message that leaves your
 JO> system will come back to you in the next days packets, so
 JO> you must have your dupe-checking turned on.

Ok... This makes sense.  Leave the RHub feed open for routed netmail and send
my packets to Boyd...

 JO> That's one way. I use a separate SX-40 to capture it all
 JO> locally and it spits the files across Lantastic when each
 JO> run is finished. It runs 24 hours a day. I found that it
 JO> couldn't work over Lantastic directly, all captures had to
 JO> be to a local drive.

I am beginning to think that a second machine (386DX-40) might do me well here.
For I could put in a four port serial cards with 16550's but the systems
downtime/toss time for that amount of mail would be a major drawback... Then
when funds permit do what I have been wanting to do for a long time: Lantastic!

Just home much mail is THE BACKBONE for FidoNet?  I am trying to figure out the
size of drive I will need to handle this.  Currently I have a spare 103MB
sitting around and I am wondering if that would be enought to handle the
incoming mail and files.

 JO> One thing to keep in mind, if you go for a KU band setup,
 JO> you may want to get the 4' dish instead of the 3' one to
 JO> avoid rain fade and snow buildup problems. The 4' gives you
 JO> 12 square feet instead of 6 sqaure feet so it takes a lot
 JO> more to degrade the signal to the point where it is
 JO> unusable. Don't forget, your roof is generally un-accessible
 JO> (safely) while it is snowing (assuming you even get snow in
 JO> Virginia) and for a few days afterwards.

Not much snow here but rain/ice build up could be a problem.  And I do want to
avoid "learning the hardway".... Sounds like the 4' might just be better (Jeez
I have a lot to learn about this!).

Thanks again for the reply and the time it took.  I have a few more questions
that I will post tonight/tomorrow.


Rds,
-=Don=-


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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2172
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 01/14/94 11:53p
Subj: PC Questions                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message Jeff Olesen to Don Waybright it was said:

 JO> One thing to keep in mind, if you go for a KU band setup,
 JO> you may want to get the 4' dish instead of the 3' one to
 JO> avoid rain fade and snow buildup problems. The 4' gives you
 JO> 12 square feet instead of 6 sqaure feet so it takes a lot
 JO> more to degrade the signal to the point where it is
 JO> unusable. Don't forget, your roof is generally un-accessible
 JO> (safely) while it is snowing (assuming you even get snow in
 JO> Virginia) and for a few days afterwards.

I did not notice the 4' Dish package in the file other than the one listed for
Candadian systems...  Am I missing something?  Or do i need to FReq a newer
file?


Rds,
-=Don=-


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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2173
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/14/94 11:54p
Subj: PC & File Areas                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

(From the Satelite.Zip file)

                **  Electronic satellite tv-guide
                    also Fido File Areas

**  These services are made availible to the receiving station for
    posting ONLY on the receiving station. These services must not be
    passed on to other systems. Services require registration and a
    yearly subscription fee by the receiving system's online users.

I guess what I am seeing is correct.  Just wanted to make sure though.  Does
this mean that I cannot send the SDS stuff out to my local FidoNet?  If true I
would simply, and not meaning to start a feud, like to ask why is this so?  I
could be missing a very missing part of the picture but the SDS areas are
sponsored through FidoNet right?

Just curious.


Rds,
-=Don=-


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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2174
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/15/94  4:57p
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILIT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  Normally the  ">"  or  ">>"  will redirect _everything_  that  is
->  written to the screen to a file....   HOWEVER  when  running  Arj
->  with the "S" parameter to make it  redirect  the  File_id.diz  to

Terry I forwarded this to Robert Jung, if he responds I'll send it to
you.
-jim-


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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2175
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 01/15/94  5:00p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->   I sent Derek K. (WildMail) a message on this this morning.  I don't
->   think WM is looking at your main address when the AKA is kicked in.

I would be interested in hearing what you find out.
-jim-


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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2176
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 01/15/94  5:04p
Subj: PC & UseNet                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> sent Boyd Goodin a NetMail message with a few questions and I have se
-> people a FAX with the same questions.  --- How long to you think it w
-> until I hear from them?
->
   Well they are good on the phone, but I know those folks are busy.
Frankly I would recommend a phone call.

-> How did the overall setup go with your system?

Pretty well.  I still have a problem if I bring that sat stuff into a
networked drive, but apparently it isn't common (I seem to be the only
one reporting it).  You'll have a ball.
-jim-


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2177
  To: THOMAS KINNEN                            Date: 01/14/94  8:07p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> except to pass human callers to it).  The other Wilcat sysop in the a
-> uses GoMail and carries the entire BackBone and it takes him 3-7 hour
-> toss,  where Gecho takes less then and hour to toss and packet all th
-> out bound mail.

    Hmmm, I use WildMail here and I have all the files tossed to the BBS
and mail tossed for downlinks in 1 hour. I then take 1 more hour to
pretoss what I want to my BBS. Seems pretty quick on this end. Tossing
speed is about 700msg/min for Fido.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2178
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/14/94  8:12p
Subj: Trash netmail                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> Looks like *I* was the source for the dupe loop of garbage netmail
->
->    You should be flogged with a wet noddle for at least 15 mins! :)

    Eww baby! Make me feel like the man I really am<G>! But the question
is, do we get to tie him up first {;-']


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: EMMETT PERDUE                          Number: 2179
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/15/94  2:01p
Subj: FLAMES!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


MP> To all you jerks! all of my messages that I have ever posted (except
MP> this one) have *ALL* had the signature file attached!

BYE!!!!....I'm sure that I speak for all of us in here, when I say that
we will miss you terribly!....NOT!!!!!
   MegaMail 2.10 #905:A SPITFIRE Support BBS Since 1990
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From: RUDY BORJON                            Number: 2180
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/16/94  1:04p
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 I read that you be be having the full usenet groups on Planet Connect. Will we
need special software to rec and toss back to 1:3615/50?
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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 2181
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 01/16/94  1:15p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tim!

In a message to Thomas Kinnen <01/14/94> Tim Lajoie wrote:

TL> pretoss what I want to my BBS. Seems pretty quick on this end. Tossing
TL> speed is about 700msg/min for Fido.

Part of it is that the BBS is on 4Mbs Token ring.  When tossing from a
Eathernet workstation the speed more then doubles.

Tom

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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 2182
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 01/16/94  1:17p
Subj: PSORT                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Wallace!

In a message to Jason Fesler <01/15/94> Wallace Sheldon wrote:

WS> mail directory to accomplish this.  Could you be persuaded to spend the 2
WS> to 5 minutes needed to allow the program to read an optional command line
WS> find the AREAS.BBS in it's normal location?  BTW, your program does work

Hmm, Thought I saw that option in the Docs.

Tom

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From: RUDY BORJON                            Number: 2183
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/16/94  1:25p
Subj: Fred                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 I have seen several people mention FRED, how is the command line stated? I am
using:

Fred-uf -c config.fil news0040.bag 40.pkt

This works fine, for 1 bag, but I need an automated setup for "all" bags, any
ideas.??

===
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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2184
  To: STEVE HUSK                               Date: 01/16/94  3:47p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Saturday January 15 1994 22:00, STEVE HUSK wrote to All:

 SH> Hello everone.  This is our fist message to Planet Connect.  Just wanted
 SH> to see how things are working. Steve Husk -+- SLMAIL v3.5  (#0999) +
 SH> Origin: County Link BBS * 216-236-6126 * 7 Nodes * (1:157/576)

Hello STEVE!

You made it to Central Texas..

Regards,
George Vandervort
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 (Beta-16)/Binkley 2.59wb

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2185
  To: JERRY RUSSELL                            Date: 01/16/94 11:00p
Subj: Re: DATES                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd, Looking at my Index files, it seems that the DATE is correct but
> the DAY is wrong. This happened about the 1st of the year !
> Any thoughts ?

   Dont know what you are talking about. If it is for PCUTILS then I think John
could answer that better than I.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2186
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 01/16/94 11:29p
Subj: Re: Support Problems                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> We spoke with Dan a few minutes ago who told us the
> following:

> - Our subscription had not been renewed because my Visa card expired
> 12/93
> (They don't expire until the last day of the month, and at any rate,
> why
> were we not notified of this?  It isn't as though the people at your
> office were unable to send netmail.)

   First off who is Dan?

> - Dan then asked if we had reset our clock.


    This could happen. If you see a 6144 error then it is a dat time violation.
If the clock goes back in time wit will come up with this.

> - Our contract specified a yearly subscription, yet according to Dan,
> the
> subscription code you issued us on the 21st was for 53 days,
> retroactive

    Which I told your hubby. For the first time renewal it is retroactive from
the date you specified in the contract where it asdks what date you started
using Planet Connect. This has always been our policy. 

> to 15 Nov. and *should* have expired on the 7th of this month.  The
> code
> he initially gave us was for a 3 month subscription.  When we queried
> him as to why we had to renew our yearly subscription every 3 months
> he
> re-checked our contract and issued us a subscription code for the
> period
> of 1 year.


    This should not of happened. Our policy is that we ONLY reset the lock for
90 days even if you have payed a full year in advanced.


> Now, my question to you as a representative of Planet Connect, is if
> this
> is the type of service we can expect from your company?

    Depends. If you read the contract it stated that it your subscription would
start on the day you put in for starting to use Planet Connect. I also
explained to your hubby why we have the 90 days limit. If you got reset for the
full year what are you complaining about?

> If there is a problem processing someone's payment for a
> subscription, I
> don't think it's too much to ask that your subscriber, or potential
> subscriber as the case may be, be notified of it so that the necessary
> actions can be taken.  This helps to contribute to keeping customer
> satisfaction high as well as the added benefit of ensuring that your
> company is paid for it's services.

    Thats why the 90 day limit. If you did not pay then we just dont reset you
till you did. 

> Also, it's maddening to call your company only to speak with
> individuals
> who apparently are not knowledgeable about your services and/or are not
> authorized to make a decision or take effective action at the time of the
> call.

   Well takes time to train people. Did you learn everything about how our
program works and what is involved in getting data over the sat overnight?


> And last, but certainly not least, there is apparently no effective
> form
> of organization at Planet Connect as evidenced by the fact that on

   Show me a company that is just starting and hiring new people that are as
organized as you want it to be. Everything takes time. Heck a year ago I had no
idea about how this all works. But At least I am trying to figure it all out.


> occasions when I have called & spoken with some of the others they were
> unable to find any information regarding our subscription.  This does not
> speak well of your company, Boyd, nor project a very encouraging picture
> of your services.

   Yep and IBM is running smoothly too. This is not my company. I work for
P.S.I. All I have is a fancy title but I worked for that title. You got lucky.
If I would have been there when Jim reset your lock there would have been no
way that he would have did it for a year. Policy is policy and come hell or
high water I will stay with my decisions.

> For the most part, we've been very happy with the services of Planet
> Connect and have endorsed it to it's fullest, but I am dismayed and
> extremely unhappy with the most recent state of affairs.  Please tell me
> that this will improve in the near future, Boyd.  Lie if you must.

    I will not lie. It will get better but from your comments, not fast enough
for you.

....Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2187
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 01/16/94 11:31p
Subj: Re: What the HELL@!!!!!!!               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd, just a thought here on the subject, but since this echo is a
> FidoNet
> echo and therefore all we see are the FidoNet side of the equation, why
> not gate this echo to the other nets that go over the satellite so that

   No can do. We do not process any of the other networks. Unless each network
that is sending to us has a dish and does the gating, it will never happen on
our end.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2188
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 01/16/94 11:46p
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Yeah, I wanted to thump you myself, Boyd.  Lack of drive space wasn't
> a
> problem here but files that arrive without a tic file, accompanying note
> or netmail of some type tend to be ignored or 'forgotten' since they
> can't be automagically processed and without viewing each and every one
> of them it's often difficult to figure out what the heck the file
> contains.  Plus, some of the files were dated pre-1991.  Ack! Phffffft!


    Well Patty, what can I say? Except, that the majority like what I did.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2189
  To: RUDY BORJON                              Date: 01/16/94 11:49p
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I read that you be be having the full usenet groups on Planet Connect.
> Will we need special software to rec and toss back to 1:3615/50?

    Well just got the list in and will be lokinng it over. I have one going
over today called PCUSENET.TXT that contains a list of the ones we have going
over now. It will start toi increase even more as the days go by. The PC
software will receive them in the USENET directory. At Present we are not set
up to allow return on the Usenet. I have to check and see what kind of
administative nightmare this will be.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2190
  To: JASON BUCHANAN                           Date: 01/16/94 11:52p
Subj: Re: OS/2                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> hey Boyd!  what's up?

   Really want me to answer that one?

> I still wanna see an OS/2 PTCCMAIN.EXE or at least one that works
> reliably in DV ;-)

   Well right now something else has got or attention. The software does not
work under OS2 because of the lock. OS2 will not let the lock do its thing and
we cant do anything about that until the company that supplies them to us has a
fix.


...Boyd

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From: HECTOR MANDEL                          Number: 2191
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/16/94  9:33a
Subj: Plan_conn                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Jan 14 09:52>, Jason Fesler of 1:203/7707.1 writes:

 JF> The usenet/fidonet gateway software I wrote is still in beta, and
 JF> currently stands at a version number of ".96"..  It does handle
 JF> the .BAG format (which is really .x/.d files minux the .x file).
 JF> If you're interested, file request "GIGO" from 1:203/7707.

Jason,

     I had no luck trying to get GIGO to read the .BAG files.  The docs say
nothing about it (did I miss something?)...it did not recognixe the .BAG files.

What needs to be done to get it to work with the .BAGs?

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From: JAMES MCORMOND                         Number: 2192
  To: EDDIE ROWE                               Date: 01/12/94  9:09p
Subj: Re: Ad (author Direct) fdn              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of Sa 08-Jan-94 02:31, Eddie Rowe wrote:

 ER> One of the hurdles Planet Connects has faced is File
 ER> Distribution Network Heads who think they
 ER> can regulate how we pass files...
 ER>
 ER> This is stupidity in action...

:-)  What types of regulations have people tried to put on you?


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From: FOXY FERGUSON                          Number: 2193
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 01/16/94  3:20a
Subj: Crc Errors                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JL>Hello Foxy!

JL>Me too. It sounds promising as a operating system though.

I've been quite happy with the performance of DrDos 6. Can't say I
missed not having the problems some had with M$dos' DoubleSpacer
(or whatever 'twas miss-called). <g>

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 2194
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/16/94  5:13a
Subj: FLAMES!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Michael!

Friday January 14 1994 11:40, Michael Pierce wrote to ALL:

 MP> correctly! I have since completely scrapped the sig file generator (thanks
 MP> you jerks!) this will be my last post in this echo so don't waist the
 MP> message to respond!

Gee, we'll miss you.

Rick

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2195
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/16/94 11:00a
Subj: RE: DIZ CONVERSION UTILIT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> George Vandervort wrote in a message to Terry Blount:
->
-> GV> you original Notice did not make it clear that DIZ2BBS was a
-> GV> Magic name for File Request..
->
-> Yes... there is a bug in my docs!   I must have been falling asleep b
-> I finished writing the program and started with the docs.   I have se
-> it will come by asking for almost anything.  <g>

ok....   now let me get this straight...

I do ALT-F and type in 'ANYTHING' and I can get the file????

Bill...


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2196
  To: JAY DESIO                                Date: 01/16/94 11:04a
Subj: Plan_conn                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> For TBBS, there is PIMP (from Boardwatch Magazine) that will handle t
-> files just fine (once unarchived).
->
-> For WildCat!, there is WILDUUCP! (from Computer Resources) and WCUUCP
-> Mustang. I haven't had the opportunity to work with either of these y
-> believe they will also handle the mail bags.
->
-> I'm not sure what else is out there, but I hope the above helps somew

using WCUUCP here, and as far as I can tell, it works just fine...

Bill..


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2197
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 01/16/94 11:10a
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->     Hmmm, I use WildMail here and I have all the files tossed to the
-> and mail tossed for downlinks in 1 hour. I then take 1 more hour to
-> pretoss what I want to my BBS. Seems pretty quick on this end. Tossin
-> speed is about 700msg/min for Fido.

Tim,

how about describing the equipment and posting AUTOEXEC and CONFIG.SYS
files for us so we can see how you do this.....

it takes me 20 minutes to do the tossing using GECHO, then I
unpack my pkt into \WM\PRETOSS and run WM PRETOSS to get mine
into Wildcat...   whether by design or by accident, Wildmail
doesn't give a damn WHAT address is used when doing WM PRETOSS,
so it works well for me....    GECHO receives from 3615/50 and
tosses to 3801/1 (me) and Wildmail merrily tosses the pkt from
3801/1 to 3801/1....

doing everything with Wildmail alone took me almost 3 hours to
do on some days.....

thanks..

Bill..


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From: JEFF CAMERON                           Number: 2198
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/15/94 11:19p
Subj: Msgtoss/areafix                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Is anyone using Msgtoss, Areafix  and RBBS or CDor?  I have most things
working well, but wanted to set up a new areas create using areafix.
That would let me take all unfed areas out of my areas.bbs, thus
speeding tossing and reducing my msgtoss.eid.

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From: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                    Number: 2199
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/16/94 10:40a
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Today is 16 January, and we've been on Planet Connect via Jeff Cameron since
last weekend. Wondering if messages are going out since some sent this past
week have received no replies.

Any who respond to this message, please quote above paragraph so I can tell via
date whether the system's working here. Thanks.

                                    -=<-Katherine->=-

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2200
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/16/94 10:24p
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Terry!

In a message to Joe Lyda <01/14/94> Terry Blount wrote:

TB> JOE LYDA wrote in a message to TERRY BLOUNT:

TB> JL> Well try this and it will work to the file but no echo to
TB> JL> screen

TB> JL> arj l *.sdn *.diz >> outfile

TB> That command does not show the contents of the *.diz file so the descript
TB> is not witten to the outfile... only the file name.

TB> Try this on a .zip file and then look at the outfile to see what is neede
TB> when I use Arj.

TB> pkunzip /c * *.diz  >>  outfile

Ya I see what you are dealing with, none of the switches I see
will do that, however, I am looking at it.

Joe

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * When in doubt, make it sound convincing

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 2201
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 01/17/94  1:18a
Subj: ZyXELnet                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Patty!

08 Jan 94 16:01, Patty Pickett wrote to Brian Hess:

 BH>  JM>> Doesn't seem that they are.  Anybody know why?
 BH>>
 BH>> I know that we are NOT getting them here over the dish....



 PP>     You might re-check your Tick or Allfix configuration, Brian,
 PP> as I've received files via the ZyxelNet FDN as recently as a few
 PP> days ago.

thanks this is old message... after making several messages about it appeared
suddenly...<G> like i though it would... if you know what i mean...
On another note I use to live in Hallsville, TX (near Longview) and been to La
several times...


Thank you,
           Brian

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From: DAVID WROBEL                           Number: 2202
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 01/16/94 10:16p
Subj: Re: Areas.bbs & Pc                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>  > instead of Echomail - They said you have to make them *ALL*
> passthru in
>  > order for Tick to 'ADD' areas as passthru when it autocreates.
> Still,
>  > this really isn't quite what we were looking for though.
>
>     David, you might take a look at Allfix as it doesn't require this
> of you
> and has some other nice features that you might enjoy.

Sounds good...  I've heard it's good too...

[ Dave ]

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 2203
  To: JOE HAYES                                Date: 01/16/94 10:07a
Subj: HOORAY!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No


 > Well Jim, I'm not a Hard Drive Guru or anything like that, but I
 > can't see how you would say writing to a hard drive APX. 3 times a
 > second isn't much different that once every few minutes.

My point was that if a drive will take the thrashing that happens during a
defrag or especially during heavy mail processing, the activity from writing
all those blocks, one at a time, amounts to nothing. If the drive would last 4
years on the satellite reception duty, writing 3 times/second, it'd probably go
another month or 2 if you didn't write *anything*. I'm no more guru than you
are, but I'd bet that this would be the case.

 > I find that seeing the hd light only blinking when the entire file
 > is written makes me feel a lot better..

If it makes you feel better, go for it.

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2204
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/16/94  1:52a
Subj: FLAMES!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

(Flashbacks of messages between Michael Pierce and to ALL)

 MP> I have since completely scrapped the sig file generator
 MP> (thanks you jerks!) this will be my last post in this echo
 MP> so don't waist the message to respond!

[Finally...]

Jason Fesler
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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 2205
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/17/94  4:11p
Subj: RE: DIZ CONVERSION UTILIT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill Roper wrote in a message to Terry Blount:
->
-> GV> you original Notice did not make it clear that DIZ2BBS was a
-> GV> Magic name for File Request..
->
-> Yes... there is a bug in my docs!   I must have been falling asleep b
-> I finished writing the program and started with the docs.   I have se
-> it will come by asking for almost anything.  <g>

BR> ok....   now let me get this straight...
BR> I do ALT-F and type in 'ANYTHING' and I can get the file????

No... that was a joke.  If you request Diz2bbs  or Diz2bbs.zip it should come
either way.

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2206
  To: PC RECEIVING SYSOPS                      Date: 01/16/94  5:33p
Subj: Notice!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

The following is a list of systems that are sending areas that are not part of
the echo-bone structure. Please remove 1:3615/50 from distribution. This just
takes up procesing time con our end and cost each system money to send it to
the bit bucket!


 Address 103/0    area 'REG10_SYSOP'
 Address 106/737  area '4SALE'
 Address 372/39   area 'TFDN'
 Address 3601/14  area 'DB_SOFT'
 Address 372/39   area 'TFDN'
 Address 11/600   area 'AIRMED'
 Address 363/1570 area 'FLA_NET'
 Address 103/0    area 'REG10_SYSOP'
 Address 213/213  area 'MAC_ADS'
 Address 105/50   area 'HIGH_ED'
 Address 106/737  area '4SALE'
 Address 291/11   area 'MEMORY_LANE'
 Address 216/0    area 'LOCAL_NET'
 Address 323/100  area 'NESYSOP'
 Address 3612/42  area 'SALE'
 Address 3612/42  area 'WF_DEBATE'
 Address 3612/42  area 'ADULT'
 Address 3612/42  area 'FM-GENEALOGIE'
 Address 3612/42  area 'R18ELECT'
 Address 3612/42  area 'SYSOP18'
 Address 3639/19  area 'CMX4SALE'
 Address 398/2    area 'R19SYSOP'
 Address 229/510  area 'NULL'
 Address 382/92   area 'R19SYSOP'
 Address 371/3901 area 'DB_TECH'
 Address 3619/1   area 'FLMHUB'
 Address 3615/52  area 'LOST'
 Address 110/69   area 'SBE'
 Address 3634/7   area 'NEC18'
 Address 382/92   area 'R19SYSOP'
 Address 3601/14  area 'DB_SOFT'
 Address 3634/7   area 'NEC18'
 Address 3634/7   area 'NCFILE'
 Address 382/92   area 'R19SYSOP'
 Address 233/15   area 'CONTROL'
 Address 2440/5   area 'DAIRY_FARM'
 Address 363/1570 area 'FLA_NET'
 Address 285/2    area 'IVGATE'
 Address 274/901  area 'NETMAIL'
 Address 216/0    area 'LOCAL_NET'
 Address 250/636  area 'AMIGA_COMMS'
 Address 229/15   area 'AUG-GEN'
 Address 229/15   area 'SOC_ROOTS'
 Address 229/15   area 'TIDEWATER_GENE'
 Address 216/0    area 'LOCAL_NET'
 Address 285/2    area 'IVGATE'
 Address 110/69   area 'DB_TECH'
 Address 348/501  area 'USERGRPS'
 Address 347/22   area '4SALE'
 Address 3619/1   area 'FLMHUB'
 Address 110/69   area 'MVBB_LST'
 Address 289/13   area 'ADULTCON'
 Address 289/13   area 'UTILNET'
 Address 371/3901 area 'DB_TECH'


   I am getting anywhere from 1 to 2 megs of badmessages per day from these
conferences. If it is not in the FIDONET.NA .NO I dont want it. Eventually I
will get fed up with this stuff and stop allowing systems to drop off mail
until they have this fixed. This will be my last resort but please take the
time to change it or face being locked out until y6ou have it fixed.

...Boyd

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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2207
  To: STEVE HUSK                               Date: 01/16/94  5:19a
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <15 Jan 94 22:00:00>, STEVE HUSK (1:157/576) writes:

 SH>Hello everone.  This is our fist message to Planet Connect.  Just
 SH>wanted to see how things are working.

Hello, Steve.  I'm a newcomer here too -- maybe we can learn together.

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2208
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 01/17/94  3:29a
Subj: Re: help                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> comming over planet connect and all we want is a list of WHAT FIDONET
 >> ECHOS ARE AND ARE NOT CARRIED VIA PLANET CONNECT? IS THAT TO MUCH TO
 >> ASK???? AND IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE THAT HAS SUCH A LIST PLEASE
 >> SEND US A COPY. thanks to anyone who can help

 >    Have you tried looking for files called fidonet.na and fidonet.no that
 >come over the satellite from time to time in the file echo area BACKBONE,
 >John?  Those are the actual lists of what is available currently via the
 >north american backbone and a pretty good indicator of what echoes you can
 >expect coming over the satellite connection.
 >                        --)@  Patty  @(--

Patty,
       I have to agree, the FIDONET.NA and .NO lists are a "pretty
       good indicator".... but, I have seen a few that aren't in either
       list.
Dave P.

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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 2209
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/16/94  4:21a
Subj: Re: Garbage Netmail Messa               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
->  JL>    Well it's the 12th now and I got another 150 - 200 again toda
->  JL>    This is about 6 days in a row!
->  JL> -+- WM v3.10/92-0069
->  JL>  + Origin: The Outer Limits 4 Nodes  (1:2380/400.0)
->
-> Hello John!
->
-> knock on wood.. :-)
-> So far all Wed 12th and Thur. 13 mail bundles have process ok on my s
-> without any problem.. and Wed was a BIG load of mail...
->
-> I still don't really know what cause the corruption of my Message bas
-> 10th and 11th, except that PCUTILS allowed several Bad Bundles of Mai
-> Errors to be moved to my TOSS Directory...

    Me either, it is definatly echo mail going to my Netmail. I got a
ton of them the 14th and 15th too! :(

It's been colder than you-know-what here in Michigan. It's been taking
2 to 3 passes before I get all the mail and files. The snow doesn't seem
to effect it, but the COLD seems to. I guess this could be part of it.
Someone did say that they thought it was thier system causing it, but
maybe not.

John..


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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2210
  To: GARY HEDBERG                             Date: 01/16/94  9:24p
Subj: File Announcement                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Gary Hedberg babbled profusely in a message to Jason Fesler:


 GH> Jason,
 GH> Will PSort hadle XXXXXXXX.DDx files (Mail Bags) or just PKT
 GH> files? If it  will automatically unzip mail bundles and then
 GH> sort the .PKT's inside of  the zip, it would be a great
 GH> utility.

Just .PKT files.  Anything else is up to you to provide.  I use GUS here.
You can also simply run your archiver in the batch file first...


Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2211
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 01/16/94  9:21p
Subj: PSORT                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Wallace Sheldon babbled profusely in a message to Jason Fesler:


 WS> this.  Could you be persuaded to spend the 2 1/2 to 5
 WS> minutes needed to allow the program to read an optional
 WS> command line and find the AREAS.BBS in it's normal location?

Not at this time.  I have other programming commmitments.  It can't take that
long for you to copy an areas.bbs...

 WS>  BTW, your program does work in a DOS box in OS/2, but it
 WS> doesn't trigger the DOS box like a normal DOS program.  You

Try "dos4gw.exe gateway.exe" instead; don't know how it will react.

Or, wait until Jan 20 1994, and re-request PSORT.ZIP from me.  Someone else is
porting it to OS/2.

 WS> My impression is that you are using Watcom to program with.
 WS> Doesn't Watcom do OS/2??  If you need an OS/2 compiler, have

It does, but I don't have the hardware, or references, or the time.  Someone
else is doing the port for me.

 WS> you looked at the GNU EMX C/C++ compiler?  You can turn out
 WS> Family programs that run in both DOS & OS/2, and it offers a
 WS> DOS Extender (and it's free!).  With C it's a VERY short

Free, but annoying.  And they have some strict rules on distribution of
anything made with it.  Yes, I've already looked into it.


Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: JERRY SCROGGIN                         Number: 2212
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/16/94 12:09p
Subj: lannet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

anybody seen any traffic out of lannet? I haven't seen a thing flow
down.

jerry

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2213
  To: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                      Date: 01/17/94  7:55p
Subj: Re: Test message                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Today is 16 January, and we've been on Planet Connect via Jeff Cameron
> since last weekend. Wondering if messages are going out since some sent
> this past week have received no replies.

   Well I get it here but I dont count. If I am the only one that is replying
to this then Jeff has a problem which would be that his system is adding
3615/51 to the seenbys.


...Boyd

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2214
  To: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                      Date: 01/17/94  8:49p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Sunday January 16 1994 10:40, Katherine Schroeder wrote to All:

 KS> Today is 16 January, and we've been on Planet Connect via Jeff Cameron
 KS> since last weekend. Wondering if messages are going out since some sent
 KS> this past week have received no replies.
 KS>
 KS> Any who respond to this message, please quote above paragraph so I can
 KS> tell via date whether the system's working here. Thanks.
 KS> -=<-Katherine->=- -+- GEcho 1.00 + Origin: Not Ready For Prime Time *
 KS> Victoria, Tx * 512/576-3893 (1:3802/221)

Hello Katherine!

got you here in Central Texas..

Regards,
George Vandervort
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From: ROGER MORRIS                           Number: 2215
  To: RUDY BORJON                              Date: 01/17/94  3:23p
Subj: Fred                                    Refer: NONE
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Rudy Borjon scripted in a message to All:

RB> Fred-uf -c config.fil news0040.bag 40.pkt

That'll work, but ...


RB> This works fine, for 1 bag, but I need an automated setup
RB> for "all" bags, any ideas.??

Yup, I wrote such a critter.  f'req UF here, about 13K.


   ... Remus ...


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From: RON JOHNSTON                           Number: 2216
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 01/17/94  4:15p
Subj: Re: help                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DP>        I have to agree, the FIDONET.NA and .NO lists are a
DP> "pretty
DP>        good indicator".... but, I have seen a few that
DP> aren't in either
 so far as what John Souvestre has told me direct is, he's feeding .na, .no
and the echos listed in filebone.na as backbone echos.  If you've seen
anything else I'd have a feeling that may be what Boyde is trying to get
culled out.

Ron

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From: NICK ASHTON-HART                       Number: 2217
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/16/94  8:43a
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John:

Monday January 10 1994 22:28, John Lyon wrote to Boyd Goodin:

  ->> Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE messages
  ->> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, because
  ->> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why I got
  ->> these?

  JL>    Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.

SInce this seems to happen every so often, I recommend installing MsgTrack.
This will kill routed echomail, or optionally move it to your bad message area.
It does other things as well...

You can FREQ it from me as MT331.ARJ

Nick

CIS: 71754,212. Internet: [e-mail]

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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2218
  To: BILLY MORING                             Date: 01/16/94  6:45a
Subj: Test export                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Boyd,
->
-> This is a test of my export setup... If this makes it back to Skyboar
-> send a reply to me, so I will know my export is working...

    It made it to sunny and warm (NOT - its currently -37 without
windchill figured in) Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario Canada.


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2219
  To: MICHAEL PIERCE                           Date: 01/16/94  6:46a
Subj: FLAMES!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I have since completely scrapped the sig file generator (thanks you j
-> this will be my last post in this echo so don't waist the message to

    What a shame, we are truely going to miss his stimulating messages.
NOT!


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 2220
  To: JEFF CAMERON                             Date: 01/16/94  3:11p
Subj: Re: Hooray!                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JC> That looks like a very good solution to my problem. I am running a
JC> 286for the planet, and it writes to the 486 hardrive. I only have one
JC> megof ram, but do have two simm slots.  How big of a cache_size are
JC> yousetting?  Could I get away with this with 2 more meg? Also, I read

I use a 2 meg cache here, just because I have it available.
I suppose you could use any size you want to.
With a 1 meg cache and a delay time of 60 it would hit the planet connect hd
every 1 minute or when file is completed, with a delay of 600 it would hit
every 10 minutes or when the file is completed, so on.. I use it here with
excellent results.
The only problem I have run into, when I do any editing or other work on the
Planet Connect machine I have to make sure that the cache is "flushed" before
changes can take effect..

-Joe
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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 2221
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/16/94  3:21p
Subj: HOORAY!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JJ> I agree with the original response.  If you're not multi-tasking,
JJ> thenthe drive isn't going to be seeking all over the place, and
JJ> writing onceper block doesn't involve any more head movement than if
JJ> you cached.
JJ> The current drawn by the head isn't really significant, I have never
JJ> heard of a head burning out!  In any case it's still 'six of one',
JJ> youare writiing the same number of sectors overall, whether it's 1-2
JJ> at atime, or all at once.
JJ> -jim-

Well I suppose thats one way of looking at things, but let me ask you this.
Have you ever looked at the drive (with speed disk) after a couple of days use?
Looks like a piece of swiss cheese, now when a file is written to the hd it
will write the first availble area that is not allocated for another file
right?  The first sector(s) might be close to the front of the disk, the last
sector(s) might be towards the middle or the end. If a file is 100K then (my
math might not be correct) if you write it in pieces (2-3 times a second) and
it takes apx. 50 seconds to write that one file, thats 100-150 times AT
DIFFERENT sectors that the drive is being written to.

-Joe
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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 2222
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/17/94 12:46p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->->   I sent Derek K. (WildMail) a message on this this morning.  I don't
->->   think WM is looking at your main address when the AKA is kicked in.

->I would be interested in hearing what you find out.

  Well, as of right now, I've heard nothing.

  Chuck


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2223
  To: JACOBO ODUBER                            Date: 01/17/94  1:42p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> BR>->    Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th n
->
-> BR>it's the 11th, and I got them again today....   kill the messages,
-> BR>delete and get an error....  WCREPAIR them, and it still won't
-> BR>fix the database...  have to delete the whole thing, and you
-> BR>know what that does to message pointers (g).....
-> BR>
-> BR>is this just a Wildcat/Wildmail problem?   anyone with other
-> BR>Wildcat tossers experiencing this?
->
-> We are getting them down here to, but PCBoard handles them just fine
-> without message base corruption.

does that translate to "my software is better than yours" (g)......

-> I used to get lot's of message base corruptions while running WILDCAT
-> 3.90/Wildmail and quickly changed from the Wildcat BBS software to


I have very occassionaly had a conference corrupted but never anything
that WCREPAIR wouldn't fix...   I remember the days of using RA for
a message base (pre WC v3.xx days) and how often I would lose the
WHOLE DARN THING!!!...   with the individual conference files, at
least all I lost was the one conference...

but...   have since found that WCPRO will delete the messages
nicely, and not corrupt the file.....

-> PCBoard 15.0. Never had any message corruptions anymore after that!!
-> Sorry to hear you're having problems with your message bases.

just part of the learning experience....   after all, if I wanted
to live in an environment where nothing ever went wrong, I certainly
wouldn't have a computer around the house (g)...

cheers...

Bill..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2224
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/17/94  5:57a
Subj: PC Questions                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <15 Jan 94  13:37:12>, Bill Roper (1:3801/1) writes:

 BR>-> Sounds like I won't.  If I could trouble you could I ask how "Easy"
 BR>-> get the system up and running once the equipment arrived?  Any tips
 BR>-> really newcomers!? <g>
 BR>
 BR>I already had a satellite system, and being somewhat technical in
 BR>that field anyway, didn't have any problems at all...   put a
 BR>splitter in the line off the LNB (the $20.00 splitter they want
 BR>to sell you cost me $4.50....), ran a piece of RG59 (no...  I
 BR>didn't use RG6) to the room with the computers, plugged it in

Sounds pretty simple, Bill.  I'm a newcomer also and I probably won't be
getting my equipment for another week or two.  I wonder if you could give a
brief outline of how a typical download works with approximate processing
times?  Assuming that you begin receiving a Fido backbone transmission at 6:30
a.m., how long until the transmission finishes and then what happens when you
start processing  -- just a complete rank 'beginner' here.

And I assume the transmissions run 24 hours -- can you just jump in and start
copying, or do you have to wait until a specific time before you can get any
data?

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2225
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/17/94  6:03a
Subj: New Subscriber                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <15 Jan 94  14:15:55>, Bill Roper (1:3801/1) writes:

 BR>-> I've noticed a lack of messages on this echo in the past week or so.
 BR>-> ordered the KU kit and I hope you guys are still around to help when
 BR>-> delivery....  :-)
 BR>
 BR>Hi, Fred....   long time no talk-to....
 BR>
 BR>I think John Woodward is online, and a local call is always
 BR>better than echomail (g)....

Thanks for the response, Bill.  I spoke with John a couple of weeks ago --
that's what got me interested in Planet Connect in the first place!

Anyway, I was just elected File Coordinator so I figured this was a required
project.

hehehehe...

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 2226
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/17/94  8:00p
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>    Well just got the list in and will be lokinng it over. I have one going
BG>over today called PCUSENET.TXT that contains a list of the ones we have goin
BG>over now. It will start toi increase even more as the days go by. The PC

Hi Boyd, I just looked at the PCUSENET.TXT list and it includes the sex
conferences and some binaries... so am I to assume that these will not
be filtered out in the future?

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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 2227
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 01/17/94  2:15p
Subj: HOORAY!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Well Jim, I'm not a Hard Drive Guru or anything like that, but I
> can't see how you would say writing to a hard drive APX. 3 times a
> second isn't much different that once every few minutes.

JD> My point was that if a drive will take the thrashing that happens
JD> during a defrag or especially during heavy mail processing, the
JD> activity from writing all those blocks, one at a time, amounts to
JD> nothing. If the drive would last 4 years on the satellite reception
JD> duty, writing 3 times/second, it'd probably go another month or 2 if
JD> you didn'twrite *anything*. I'm no more guru than you are, but I'd
JD> bet that this would be the case.

I am very interested in what a person that repairs hard drives would have to
say about this.
I will try to find out more and let you know..

-Joe
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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2228
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/17/94  7:10p
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

In a message to Patty Pickett <01/16/94> Boyd Goodin wrote:

BG> > Yeah, I wanted to thump you myself, Boyd.  Lack of drive space wasn't
BG> > a
BG> > problem here but files that arrive without a tic file, accompanying not
BG> > or netmail of some type tend to be ignored or 'forgotten' since they
BG> > can't be automagically processed and without viewing each and every one
BG> > of them it's often difficult to figure out what the heck the file
BG> > contains.  Plus, some of the files were dated pre-1991.  Ack! Phffffft!
BG>
BG>
BG>     Well Patty, what can I say? Except, that the majority like what I did
BG>
BG> ...Boyd
And am wondering when you gona do it again, seems to draw the
best side out of everyone.<G>

Joe

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From: JD BROWN                               Number: 2229
  To: JASON BUCHANAN                           Date: 01/17/94 11:08p
Subj: Os/2                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

CIS: 72027,2432  or   IBM LINK @ DEV0580

JB> hey Boyd!  what's up?
JB>
JB> I still wanna see an OS/2 PTCCMAIN.EXE or at least one that
JB> works reliably in DV ;-)


Tell them to send me the source code and an NDA and I will
port it in 3 days or less.

---GALACTICA! SOUTHEASTERN ECHOSTAR! FEEDING ALL WHO ASK!



___
 X KWQ/2 1.2a X Clinton - From a chicken in every pot, to a chicken who smoked
po

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From: RUDY BORJON                            Number: 2230
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/17/94 11:52p
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BG>> I read that you be be having the full usenet groups on Planet Connect.
BG>> Will we need special software to rec and toss back to 1:3615/50?

BG>by. The PC software will receive them in the USENET directory. At
BG>Present we are not set up to allow return on the Usenet. I have to check

I have them coming in to the "newsgrp", did you change "aconfig.sky" on me? I
recently recieved a new "aconfig" which listed the new "french net" and the
HealthNet, but did not see a change to USENET ?

Holonet could prob fix you up with a return uplink, if users do it individually
(like me) it cost $12.50 a month, but if you offer them to upload all Planet
Connect customers it prob will be a large sum of bills..
===
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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 2231
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 01/12/94 11:10a
Subj: RE: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Burton wrote in a message to Terry Blount:


JB> I FReq'd DIZ2BBS.ZIP from you 06:54 CST this morning and got
JB> your ABOUT file in return...

I'll put it on hold for you.   I don't know why so many people are getting it
and some don't?

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 2232
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 01/12/94 11:11a
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JOE LYDA wrote in a message to TERRY BLOUNT:

TB>  description.   Let me know if you can figure out how to  get  the
TB>  file name that is written to the  screen  when  ARJ  runs  to  be
TB>  written into the file with  the   ">"   function.   This  has  me
TB>  baffled... but again that's easy to do.   I really  want  to  use
TB>  the description provided by the author but I have to convert  the
TB>  .ARJ  files   to   .ZIP   in   order   for   Diz2bbs   to   work.

JL> Try the append to a file function ">>"  works without
JL> overwritting the previous line.

That doesn't work either.  Only the text in the File_id.diz is saved to the
file.  The file name that it came from (which is written to the screen) is not
saved in the output file.


Try this:

arj s -y * *.diz  >> outfile


Even thought the file name is echoed to the screen it won't
appear in the "outfile"  with the .diz text.

Thanks for you interest in solving this problem.

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2233
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/08/94  1:06p
Subj: File announcement                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I don't normally make file announcements in national echos, but for this, I'll
make an exception, as it is something that may be of good use for you..  The
program is free, I hope it helps out everyone.   If there is a P_C file echo at
all, whoever is in charge of it is more than welcome to hatch it out in it.
Please note the requirements before file requesting it!

File names:  PSORT.ZIP   (70k) .PKT Packet sorter + filter (free,386 reqd)
             DOS4GW.ZIP (142k) Dos extender for Watcom applications

Below is an abbreviated form of the documentation..
------------------------------------------------------------------
PSRT - Packet filter & sorter

  - Reads and combines .PKT files into one large .PKT file (multiple
    .PKTS if from multiple sources; the PKT headers themselves are
    preserved for security)

  - Sorts by area, subject, date, and time, up to the limits of memory
    (ie, the more memory you have, the more that can be contiguously sorted)

  - If AREAS.BBS found (standard AREAS.BBS format), it will be read,
    and _only_ the areas found in AREAS.BBS will be kept.  Useful if
    you get the entire backbone but only need a portion of it, ie
    satellite feeds.

Requirements:
  - Requires 386sx or greater
  - Requires 1 meg of extended/ems/dpmi/vcpi/whatever memory
    (more memory provides better sorting, ideally, 3-3.5 megs :-)
    That memory must be available to psrt to operate.
  - Requires DOS4GW.EXE, a special dos extender for Watcom C++ applications

"What advantage will running this do for me?"

    PSRT has more than one purpose.. It's original design was to be a
    speed-up for my mail processor.  Squish, Jam, and *.MSG users will
    notice the biggest speed increase, as it won't have to open and
    close each message base nearly as often.  On my particular setup,
    PSRT doubles my speed with Squish, and even makes Gecho noticable
    faster than normal.  For another person in our area, running EzyComm,
    his tossing speed when from 1/sec to 9/sec..

    Secondly;  PSRT sorts by subject and time/date.  This means that
    all of the messages for a given subject will be grouped together,
    which facilitates reading.  When I get interested in one topic, I
    hate to have to jump all over the message base to follow it.  Also,
    I see the original messages, BEFORE the replies, because of the
    time/date sort.  Really handy with the lag time of fidonet
    technology.

    Last, is a feature I myself will never use, but was a 15 minute fix
    to add in.  Satellite options such as "PLANET_CONNECT" give you the
    entire backbone, even if you only want 50-100 of the areas.  Not
    too many mail tossers handle this very gracefully.  PSRT will read
    your AREAS.BBS (if it's in the current directory), and ONLY output
    the messages that are in the areas you want, and throws the rest of
    them away.  This allows you to stop getting hundreds or thousands of
messages in your bad mail directory.

"(Hubs)  What advantage will running this do for my feeds?"

    If you sort YOUR inbound files out, then, for the most part, the
    output of your mail processor will also be sorted,
    making things work faster for your downlinks.  They would be able
    appreciate the same speedup that you do.  They will also be amused
    at 4:00am seeing it toss alphabeticly.  :-)

"When are you going to make an OS/2 version?"

    Go away.  Use your DOS box. :-)

    Seriously, though, I do not plan on doing OS/2 until I have the
    resouces (that's RAM, I've only got 4 megs on my machine, grr).  I
    also need to get the CD-ROM and IBM's technical reference, which
    adds up to another couple hundred bucks.  I have no clue as to what
    libaries I would have to purchase, either.   Luckily, the compiler
    itself, supports OS/2 - once I have the technical and referece
    requirements met.

    I will make OS/2 versions out of almost all of my utilities,
    including these weeny onces like PSRT, once I have the ability.

    If you have a spare CD-ROM, and a spare copy of the cd's needed,
    and need to put them in a safe home, email me ;-)

Jason Fesler, 1:203/7707
[e-mail]
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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 2234
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/11/94  9:52p
Subj: Re: Problem                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Jan 02 23:53>, Boyd Goodin writes:

 BG>   Sure. The flag file is the UPLD.LST file but a very special one.

Ok, makes sense.

 BG>Hope this problem has cleared up/

It's been running virutally unattented for over a week (My boss said I had to
work for him for a change) and so far has exited every 3 to 4 hours every day.
Whatever you did, seemed to fix it.  Thanks!

I have been getting a number of FDN files that fail CRC checks.  When
decompressed, they usually show crc errors in the archive.  Had a 1meg+ file
today that produced exception 13s everytime I tried to unzip it.  Are you doing
CRC checks on inbound FDN files?

later

D.

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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2235
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/11/94  9:42p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Jim,

10 Jan 94, 09:00, Jim St. John wrote to All:

 JJ>     I assume that the 3615/51 seenby was added by my system when
 JJ> the message came back down?  Since the message (coming back) is
 JJ> addressed to  3615/51, does that mean it will ignore the fact that
 JJ> it already has a seenby of 231/285 and import it anyway?

It depends on what you're using as a tosser.  Tosscan ignores seen-bys.




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From: LISA GRONKE                            Number: 2236
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/12/94  3:56p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

You can't expect your tosser not to toss messages that have your node# in the
SEEN-BY line. After all, in a conventional setup, all messages arriving in
bundles for you have your node number in the SEEN-BYs.

As to why your dupe checker is not catching them, what tosser are you using?

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From: ALBERT GAYLORD                         Number: 2237
  To: FRED SEIBEL                              Date: 01/12/94  3:24p
Subj: Re: Garbage Netmail Messages            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Fred!

11 Jan 94, Fred Seibel writes to John Lyon:


 -> ->> Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE messa
 -> ->> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, becau
 -> ->> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why I g
 -> ->> these?
 ->>
 ->> Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.
 ->>
 ->>

 FS> Ditto,
 FS> Two days in a row now.

 FS> BUT, the probelm that this causes is that
 FS> my system wanted to send them to George Peace
 FS> at Protostar!!

 FS> Since the To: and From: lines were all messed up,
 FS> FD said "Hay off to the backbone with ye" !!!

 FS> Oh well!!!

They got delivered here both times to the same point, 1:105/40.44  I still
haven't heard a peep out of him.  I didn't say anything because I was wondering
how long it would take him to ask me about it.

Albert

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From: ALBERT GAYLORD                         Number: 2238
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/12/94  3:35p
Subj: Garbage Messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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* Forwarded by Albert Gaylord (1:105/40)
* Area : NETMAIL (D'Bridge Netmail Area)
* From : GapiTrack Script Exampdfrey, 3615/50 (07 Jan 37 00:00)
* To   : 1:105/40.44
* Subj : ReTaLIX't
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    FreeMtag rS09

-+- GEcho MICROTECH BBS, NEWPORT NEWS,VA, 804-595-8664, MESSAGES/DOORS/FILEL
(9271/160andard (1:3271/1 1
==============================================

Here is another one.  I am sticking it in since it shows an origin line.  Is it
a problem with 1:3271/1 or is the problem at PC?

Along with this type of message, I get another one directed to 105/40.44 that
is totally blank except the first line which says Jeremy D'Amour.

Inneresting ;-)

Albert

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From: KERRY SUTLEY                           Number: 2239
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/13/94  3:14p
Subj: Plan_conn                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  Hi Boyd and All,
  Im looking for a processor for the bag files to either convert them
  to Fido msg format to be processed by my tosser (GECHO) or a stand
  alone that will do both. Any Ideas out there???
  Thanks Kerry Sutley


 * OLX 2.1 TD * A little a'disk & a little a'data

* Origin: MACHINERY ONLINE * Guys Mills, Pa. * 814-789-4336


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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2240
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/13/94  4:24p
Subj: Re: Garbage Netmail Messages            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Tuesday January 11 1994 16:05, Bill Roper wrote to John Lyon:


 -> ->> Boyd, on Thursday (the 6th), I received about 80 GARBAGE messa
 -> ->> my Netmail directory. They were NOT NetMail messages though, becau
 -> ->> could see the conference headers in some of them. Any idea why I g
 -> ->> these?
 ->>
 ->> Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.
 ->>
 ->>
 ->> -+- WM v3.10/92-0069
 ->> + Origin: The Outer Limits 4 Nodes  (1:2380/400.0)
 ->>

 BR> it's the 11th, and I got them again today....   kill the messages,
 BR> delete and get an error....  WCREPAIR them, and it still won't
 BR> fix the database...  have to delete the whole thing, and you
 BR> know what that does to message pointers (g).....

 BR> is this just a Wildcat/Wildmail problem?   anyone with other
 BR> Wildcat tossers experiencing this?

 BR> Bill....


 BR> -+- WM v3.10/91-0097
 BR>  + Origin: Texas Open Forum!  903-534-1918 100,000+  (1:3801/1)

Hello Bill!

Same thing happeded to me under QuickBBS/Freemail...
on monday 10th & Tuesday 12th..

After deleting my messagebase and re-tossing all of Mondays Mail bundles, I
discovered there was several dosen Corrupt messages that were tossed as Netmail
and over 400 Dups in three Areas.. 80XXX, 4DOS and 60S_70S_PROGROCK echos in
several *.PKT,
one bundle was soo bad that if hung my mail processor, after I deleted that
*.PKT the rest of the *.PKT tossed ok..

I don't understand why PCUTILS.EXE, accepted those Bundles and passed them on
to my TOSS directory...

Same thing happended on 11th and I had to Delete my Messagebase, and delete
several *.PKT's that PKZIP 2.04g said had bad CRC's, before I could Retoss the
Mail for the 11th..

So far WED mail has tossed and processed OK..


Regards,
George Vandervort
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 (Beta-16)/Binkley 2.59wb

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2241
  To: TERRY BLOUNT                             Date: 01/13/94  4:36p
Subj: RE: DIZ CONVERSION UTILITY              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Wednesday January 12 1994 11:10, Terry Blount wrote to John Burton:

 TB> John Burton wrote in a message to Terry Blount:


 JB>> I FReq'd DIZ2BBS.ZIP from you 06:54 CST this morning and got
 JB>> your ABOUT file in return...

 TB> I'll put it on hold for you.   I don't know why so many people are getting
 TB> it and some don't?

 TB> -+- timEd-A10c
 TB>  + Origin: Center  of  the  Cosmos   205-824-2611 (1:3625/441)

Hello Terry!

I have a Clue...

I Assume you have made it available by a MAGIC Name DIZ2BBS and not by a
Wildcard like DIZ2BBS.* or DIZ2BBS.???

you original Notice did not make it clear that DIZ2BBS was a Magic name for
File Request..

George Vandervort
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 (Beta-16)/Binkley 2.59wb

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From: TERRY BLOUNT                           Number: 2242
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/13/94  9:47a
Subj: Re: DIZ CONVERSION UTILIT               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 Jim   St.   John   wrote   in  a   message   to   Terry   Blount:

->  Unfortunately if there is no File_id.diz there is  nothing  short
->  of manually  reading  the  docs  that  anyone  can  do  to  get a
->  description.   Let me know if you can figure out how to  get  the
->  file name that is written to the  screen  when  ARJ  runs  to  be
->  written into the file with  the   ">"   function.   This  has  me
->  baffled... but again that's easy to do.   I really  want  to  use
->  the description provided by the author but I have to convert  the
->  .ARJ  files   to   .ZIP   in   order   for   Diz2bbs   to   work.

 JSJ> Terry I remember you talking about this earlier,  but  don't
 JSJ> remember the specifics.  If  you  could  re-post a  specific
 JSJ> description of what you are trying to  do  with  ARJ I  will
 JSJ> forward it to the Rime ARJ conference, the author hangs  out
 JSJ> there, and I suspect he would know if  anyone  would!  -jim-

 Normally the  ">"  or  ">>"  will redirect _everything_  that  is
 written to the screen to a file....   HOWEVER  when  running  Arj
 with the "S" parameter to make it  redirect  the  File_id.diz  to
 the screen  the name of the archive  the  File_id.diz  came  from
 _IS_ written to the screen but not to the  file  the  description
 is written to.

 The results is a bunch of descriptions in text file with no  hint
 of what archive they came out of.   With  pkunzip  the  following
 command works perfectly:

 Pkunzip /c *  *.diz  >>    outfile

 Each description is preceded by the archive name in the  outfile.

 This   should   do   the   same   thing   with   arj    archives:

 Arj s -y  * *.diz  >> outfile

 But the name of the file is _NOT_ saved to the  outfile  although
 it is written to the screen.

 Thanks... I hope you understand the problem.

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From: STEVE HUSK                             Number: 2243
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/15/94 10:00p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello everone.  This is our fist message to Planet Connect.  Just wanted to
see how things are working.

Steve Husk

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From: JASON BUCHANAN                         Number: 2244
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/16/94  6:23p
Subj: OS/2                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


hey Boyd!  what's up?

I still wanna see an OS/2 PTCCMAIN.EXE or at least one that works reliably in
DV ;-)


ciao,
jsb

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From: JACOBO ODUBER                          Number: 2245
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/16/94  3:17p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BR>->    Same problem here, it's still doing this and it's the 10th now.

BR>it's the 11th, and I got them again today....   kill the messages,
BR>delete and get an error....  WCREPAIR them, and it still won't
BR>fix the database...  have to delete the whole thing, and you
BR>know what that does to message pointers (g).....
BR>
BR>is this just a Wildcat/Wildmail problem?   anyone with other
BR>Wildcat tossers experiencing this?

We are getting them down here to, but PCBoard handles them just fine
without message base corruption.
I used to get lot's of message base corruptions while running WILDCAT
3.90/Wildmail and quickly changed from the Wildcat BBS software to
PCBoard 15.0. Never had any message corruptions anymore after that!!
Sorry to hear you're having problems with your message bases.

TTYL

Jacobo Oduber - sysop H.O.T. Beach BBS - coming to you from SUNNY ARUBA



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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2246
  To: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                         Date: 01/19/94 11:56a
Subj: Re: PCUTILS                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >John, the February 1 date problem with Pcutils is coming up soon.  Any
 >idea if you will have an update ready by then?
 >
 >SEBASTIAN ACOSTA

Sebastion,
       What Fef 1 date problem are you talking about?
Dave P.

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2247
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 01/19/94 10:46a
Subj: Plan_conn                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
->  BR> using WCUUCP here, and as far as I can tell, it works just fine.
->
-> Bill, where can I get WCUUCP?


Mustang...    I jumped on it as soon as it was released, but if I
were doing it now, I would get WILDUUCP from OCR as well as WCUUCP
and compare them....    OCR has a txt file comparing the performance
of the two, and WILDUUCP looks to be much faster...

cheers..

Bill..


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2248
  To: DON KULHA                                Date: 01/19/94 11:41a
Subj: Is There Any Way...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> A conversation with the folks at PC yesterday yielded: "90-95%, bu
-> -> probably no 'x-rated' stuff".  Sounds like no "alt.sex"!  And they
-> -> still working on pricing apparently.
->
->  BR> that is going to be a BIG disappointement to many users.....
->
->  BR> (including me...)
->
->     Maybe even to the folks at PC but they're pretty sharp folks. Wha
-> think the draconian folks who arrested Tony Davis would do if they fo
-> was spraying them with ALT.SEX from a sat? What if some of the conten
-> deemed pornographic? Interstate transportation of banned material can
-> serious charge. I don't know all the applicable laws but I don't thin
-> folks at PC, wisely, want to become a test case. I don't think it's w
-> compromising the existance of a very beneficial service to the net to
-> these conferences.

but they are already being sprayed with alt.sex from a satellite....

PAGESAT has been doing it for awhile now, carrying the ENTIRE
Usenet feed, INcluding the alt.sex stuff.....    I believe they
are on K2, which is very copiable here in East Texas, and
equally so in OK...

hell....  no one is safe from those that would protect us
from ourselves (g)......

cheers....

Bill...


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From: DANIEL LANSALL                         Number: 2249
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/19/94  2:48p
Subj: Mac Distribution Network                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Greetings.

MDN doesn't seem to be getting you this node.  Any ideas why?

I heard a 'link' was 'cut'.  Any word on when it will be back?

Daniel,
Prince George, B.C.
Canada



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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 2250
  To: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                         Date: 01/19/94  7:17p
Subj: PCUTILS                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

SA> John, the February 1 date problem with Pcutils is coming up
SA> soon.  Any
SA> idea if you will have an update ready by then?

Sabastian, I will be releasing a v199c.beta version no latter then the 26th of
January with the full 2.00 doc file, I know the 199c is stable and if the 2.00
release is not ready by that date at least the 1.99 will get everyone that is
using PCUtil around the date change problem and also get the index structure
ready for the 2.00 final release. Things have been going a little slower here
then I would like but I guess the cause of the problem is ME, every time I
look at the code I change my mind, get in there and start messing around, and
well you know how it is 10 minutes of code change 10 hours of debug... ;-)

John......

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From: BOB OYLER                              Number: 2251
  To: BOYD GOODWIN AND ALL PLANET CONNECT      Date: 01/19/94 12:17p
Subj: Internet Message Feeds - A way back in.  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2252
  To: FRANK SCHEEL                             Date: 01/20/94  2:10p
Subj: Re: OS/2                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Does that mean that we can reasonably expect to see it work in an OS2
> environment? If so, has the company given you any idea of when this might
> happen?
> Later,
> <_Frank_>

   depends on how willing IBM is towards working with Aztec on a solution.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2253
  To: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                      Date: 01/20/94  2:13p
Subj: Re: Test message                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> You're not, as it happens. I've been receiving replies from all over the
> world (literally).

    Good!

> Just to straighten out some confusion (please bear with me, I'm a tad
> slow sometimes -- anyone in my net will vouch for that!):

> It is NOT all right for Jeff to add 3615/51 to the seenbys.
> Is it all right for Jeff to add 3615/50 to the seenbys?
> (IOW: Does Jeff add that number to the seenbys because that
> is the node he's supposed to send the outbound packets to?)

    His system will automatically add 50 to the seenbys. 51 is the uplink. If
anything comes in with 541 in the seenbys then it never makes it over the
satellite. If you are receiving replies then everything is working right.

...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2254
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 01/20/94  2:16p
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>>     The "LOCK" will not work under OS2.
>> ..Boyd

> I hope you aren't just leaving it at that!

> Let get this working on a real operating system!

   Tim I spent an hour on the phone with IBM and got no farther ahead than if I
did not call them at all. I got the impression that they dont realy care about
finding a solution. No wonder they are losing money. ;-)


...Boyd

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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2255
  To: STEVE HUSK                               Date: 01/20/94  3:30a
Subj: Re: Test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <17 Jan 94 23:54:00>, STEVE HUSK (1:157/576) writes:

 SH>>Hello, Steve.  I'm a newcomer here too -- maybe we can learn
 SH>together.
 SH>
 SH>Hi, yes I am sure we can.  I really love this thing, so far so good :)

I'm anxious to get started also.  Have you received your equipment yet?  Mine
was supposed to be shipped on the 18th -- I got the preliminary video and
'location instruments'...

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2256
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 01/20/94  3:39a
Subj: New Here                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <17 Jan 94  23:04:00>, John Hrusovszky (1:238/300) writes:

 JH>With this message, the Twilight Zone BBS now joins this echo.

Hello, John.  Long time no argue...   :-)

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2257
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/20/94  3:49a
Subj: PC Questions                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <18 Jan 94  21:17:34>, Bill Roper (1:3801/1) writes:

 BR>-> Sounds pretty simple, Bill.  I'm a newcomer also and I probably
 BR>-> won't be getting my equipment for another week or two.  I wonder if you

 BR>-> could give a brief outline of how a typical download works with
 BR>-> approximate process times?  Assuming that you begin receiving a Fido
 BR>I have an event that starts at 0645, which is a few minutes
 BR>earlier than the first of the days transmission begins...   when
 BR>all the files have been received, they send something that causes
 BR>the software to exit with an errorlevel, and that starts the
 BR>processing at this end....

That's Texas time, so it should be the same here in LA.

 BR>the time it takes depends on how much is coming...  one of the
 BR>first things they send is UPLD.LST, which is a complete list
 BR>of what is coming that day...   as soon as they finish all of
 BR>it, they start over again...   has been running upwards of
 BR>3 hours....

You evidently process the UPLD.LST to prepare your directories for tossing,
huh?

 BR>-> And I assume the transmissions run 24 hours -- can you just jump in
 BR>-> and start copying, or do you have to wait until a specific time before
 BR>-> you can receive data?
 BR>
 BR>yup...   and you can jump in anytime...

Assuming a 3 hour package, then there would be about 8 repeats in a 24 hour
period, I suppose.  That should be plenty of time to get corrections.

Thanks for the summary.

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2258
  To: BOB ROSS                                 Date: 01/20/94  7:13p
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Katherine Schroeder, Bob Ross said:
 > Hello Katherine!

 > 16 Jan 94 10:40, Katherine Schroeder wrote to All:

 > KS> Today is 16 January, and we've been on Planet Connect via Jeff Cameron
 > KS> since last weekend. Wondering if messages are going out since some
 > sent
 > KS> this past week have received no replies.

 > KS> Any who respond to this message, please quote above paragraph so I can
 > KS> tell via date whether the system's working here. Thanks.

 > Arrived here in cool Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

 > Bob

 > --- GoldED 2.41
 >  * Origin: RJ's Byteline V32b/V.FC [phone] Calgary
 > CANADA (1:134/75.1)
I have you loud and clear here in South Alabama... Sysop The Multimedia
Connection 1:18/16

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From: MIKE ATKINSON                          Number: 2259
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 01/20/94  5:23p
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> true.  It's impossible to automate a system with this kind of
-> situation.  You need to send something letting everyone know what's
-> happening.  If you disagree

If you really want it completely automated, you could just delete
everything that you haven't set up to go somewhere.

No matter how automated I get this thing, I suspect I'll always check
the directories every day to see if there is anything unusual.  PCBoard
made it fairly easy to handle the files with no tics.  Just logged into
the board and uploaded *.zip from the PC files dir and they all went in
with no further intervention on my part..  (Ok, I did have to move them
from the upload dir to the games dir which took another minute or two).
It seems like I've seen importers for files that contain a .diz for just
about every BBS software.  Maybe one of these could be added to your
processing after you've pulled out the files with .tics..?  Then you
could handle them just like files uploaded by a caller.

The Apogee games arrived on one of the first days I had the dish set up.
I had no idea there would be stuff like this and was very pleased to see
them!

Mike

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 2260
  To: DON KULHA                                Date: 01/20/94  8:17a
Subj: Is There Any Way...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Don!

Saturday January 15 1994 12:51, Don Kulha wrote to Bill Roper:

 DK>     Maybe even to the folks at PC but they're pretty sharp folks. What do
 DK> you think the draconian folks who arrested Tony Davis would do if they
 DK> found out PC was spraying them with ALT.SEX from a sat? What if some of
 DK> the content is deemed pornographic? Interstate transportation of
 DK> banned material can be a very serious charge.

The areas have been transmitted by the government computers for years..
Across state and international lines..

Rick

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From: WALLACE SHELDON                        Number: 2261
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 01/20/94  4:43p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 GC> There are several approaches, but the one I used to use was, with the
 GC> wonderful built-in line and string functions of 4Dos,
 GC> to isolate the filename from within each existing .tic
 GC> file, then use an if exist to check whether or not the matching file was
 GC> present. If so, move it to a processable dir. If not
 GC> have MButil post a warning msg to me and move the
 GC> unmated .tic to a holding dir. Once all .tics had been

Since I wrote that original statement, I've had cause to eat my words on at
least two other occasions.  Now, it's two. <g>  Since I'm using OS/2, it's
easier to write a small program to take care of the situation.  One fellow in
our net has written a program to seperate the TICed files from the non TICed
files, and I believe I'm going to go ahead and expand the concept to include
the ability to check for a file_id.diz and post the files in a seperate
directory with a FILES.BBS.  Of course, as you said, at some point it takes
operator intervention to move the files to their appropriate area and to check
the files that haven't any file_id.diz.  Depending on the size of your system
and the amount of work one is already involved in, automation, at some point,
becomes a practical must.  My original point was, and you've confirmed it, at
some point, you have to take over and MANUALY work with the orphaned files.

        Thanks,
          Wally


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From: WALLACE SHELDON                        Number: 2262
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/20/94  4:54p
Subj: PSORT                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 WS> Surely, you just!?  I think a few bytes of .BAT file is more
 WS> approprate than a large program on a large multi-line
 WS> system.  I was only letting you know for your edification

 JF> I'm missing something; are you running gateway.exe
 JF> without dos4gw?  (gateway.exe explicitly looks for and
 JF> loads dos4gw in the stub).

My point is that I DON'T run gateway, and a .BAT file can be used to kick OS/2
into a DOS session when the offending DOS *.exe won't.

Very happy to hear about PSRT coming with the ability read the AREAS.BBS where
it's located.  Keep up the good work.

        Wally



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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 2263
  To: DON KULHA                                Date: 01/20/94  9:34a
Subj: Is There Any Way...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Don Kulha wrote in a message to Bill Roper:

DK>     Maybe even to the folks at PC but they're pretty sharp
DK> folks. What do you think the draconian folks who arrested
DK> Tony Davis would do if they found out PC was spraying them
DK> with ALT.SEX from a sat? What if some of the content is
DK> deemed pornographic? Interstate transportation of banned
DK> material can be a very serious charge. I don't know all the
DK> applicable laws but I don't think the folks at PC, wisely,
DK> want to become a test case. I don't think it's worth
DK> compromising the existance of a very beneficial service to
DK> the net to bring in these conferences.

I don't understand how they would look at that any worse than the fact that
every single University in the Country carries them.  I have talked to the news
server guy at my alma mater, and he says that they do carry those groups, but
the second that someone complains they would drop them.

So far they have had no complaints.  I personally think we ought to try and put
them out there and then if someone complains take them off the Satellite.

Although the people in fidonet seem to have a lot more time to whine and
complain than the usenet people do.

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From: JOHN LUONG                             Number: 2264
  To: RIC WALSH                                Date: 01/20/94  2:48p
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of (18 Jan 94  23:28:28), Ric Walsh wrote to John Luong:

RW> Buy a copy of this months BOARDWATCH magazine and it should tell
RW> you everything you want to know.
Thank you.  I'll have to check that out.

Thanks again.
John
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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2265
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/20/94 10:29p
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Robert Hilgar wrote in a message to Craig Clark:

RH> Craig Clark wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

CC> Lantastic-Z will work on Micochannel, ISA or EISA as it just
CC> uses the serial or parallel ports.  For ethernet, you can
CC> get Microchannel, ISA or EISA boards.

RH> Thanks for the info Craig. I have Lantastic-Z but I lost the
RH> cable like a week after I bought it and lost interest in it
RH> right away. Do you know if those cables are anything special
RH> for the parallel or serial ports? (Or better yet, do you
RH> know the pin configurations?)

You must have 'lost' the manual too.....The pin outs for both the serial and
parallel cables are in the manual. :)

[e-mail]

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 2266
  To: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                         Date: 01/20/94 11:39p
Subj: Re: New Here                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> With this message, the Twilight Zone BBS now joins this echo.

 SA> Boy its about time!  I thought you would never do it, been
 SA> reading your posts in the TVRO echo for a long time now.  Glad
 SA> you are here, I'm an 'old timer' here, been hooked up for a
 SA> couple months now.

:-)  This is really GREAT!  Heck, I've been hooking up digital data
systems for quite a few years now for EDS, GM, HUGHES, etc., and I never
realized the need for us SysOps until I got my own PC system!  This is
the neatest thing since SatTec R2B's! <VBG>.

--jah

... The Twilight Zone BBS * ASP HUB BBS #3 * MidCentral USA
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From: RICHARD REED                           Number: 2267
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/21/94  2:10a
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> This is a test... Hooked up the dish 2 weeks ago, and ready to send mails
-> back into PC... Let me know if anyone is gettting this message out!!
->
-> Thank
-> Richard
->
-> --- QM v1.26/b
-> * Origin: Planet Systems Inc. Newport Tn. (1:3615/50)
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

AGGGGGRRRR!! InterEcho got damn origin bug!! Glad I caught it.. Anyone know how
to add 3615/50 to seenby path for intermail?

Richard
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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2268
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/20/94  4:34p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> it takes me 20 minutes to do the tossing using GECHO, then I
-> -> unpack my pkt into \WM\PRETOSS and run WM PRETOSS to get mine
-> -> into Wildcat...   whether by design or by accident, Wildmail
-> -> doesn't give a damn WHAT address is used when doing WM PRETOSS,
-> -> so it works well for me....    GECHO receives from 3615/50 and
-> -> tosses to 3801/1 (me) and Wildmail merrily tosses the pkt from
-> -> 3801/1 to 3801/1....
->
->   Bill I'm still confused as to exactly what GECHO does.  Does it sor
-> the packets so that WIldmail can toss them faster?


it is a tosser that will toss into the hudson msg base as well as
a couple of others...   it won't toss directly to Wildcat..   but
what it does do, and faster than Wildmail, is go through the entire
feed from the satellite, checks for dupes at a tremendous rate of
speed (compared to WM...) and toss to all of your downlinks, and
of course to you.....

after you get done with Gecho, unpack YOUR mail pkt into
\WM\PRETOSS and call WM with the PRETOSS switch...  as in

WM PRETOSS

this makes Wildmail toss whatever is in that directory without
checking for dupes (or anything else for that matter.....) and
of course all you have in that pkt, is mail that is actually
destined for your bbs....

it is really a lot less complicated than it sounds....   I have
promised to put together a "how to" on what I am doing for Mark
Glenn by this evening, and I'll make it available to freq....
by the time you read this it will be available from 1:3801/1
as WC_GECHO.ZIP....

but as usual, all of the appropriate caveat's apply (g)....
it works here, but your mileage may vary....


-> -> doing everything with Wildmail alone took me almost 3 hours to
-> -> do on some days.....
->
->    Jees, if I could get it done in 3 hours I'd be happy!

too bad our tossers don't work like WCUUCP....  tossed 138
newsbags this morning...   there was over 20 meg in the
directory...  in only 15 minutes....    not too shabby...

cheers...

Bill...


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2269
  To: KIM PIERSON                              Date: 01/20/94  4:36p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->
-> BR>does that translate to "my software is better than yours" (g).....
->
-> Now Bill, be nice....:)
->
-> BR>just part of the learning experience....   after all, if I wanted
->   >to live in an environment where nothing ever went wrong, I certain
->   >wouldn't have a computer around the house (g)...
->
-> And your wife may not have you around either....:)


my gosh....   do I have to put up with you EVERYwhere I go (g).....

you might want to reconsider leaving the other net...   Wendy/Peter
bounced the offensive ones, and things have really cooled down....

glad we still have a place to rag each other....

cheers....

Bill...


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From: HECTOR MANDEL                          Number: 2270
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/19/94 11:59p
Subj: Plan_conn                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Jan 17 13:48>, Jason Fesler of 1:203/7707.1 writes:

 JF> Hector Mandel babbled profusely in a message to Jason Fesler:


 HM>>      I had no luck trying to get GIGO to read the .BAG
 HM>> files.  The docs say nothing about it (did I miss
 HM>> something?)...it did not recognixe the .BAG files.  What
 HM>> needs to be done to get it to work with the .BAGs?

 JF> What version?

 JF> "BAGS C:\dirname\"  enables BAG support on the more recent
 JF> versions of GIGO. Make sure the version you have is dated
 JF> 1994.

Thanks, Jason ... I was using a version from 1993.  I'll give it a try.

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From: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                    Number: 2271
  To: PAUL CORMIER                             Date: 01/19/94 10:07p
Subj: Re: testing...                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 01-09-94  14:20, Paul Cormier munched on a Tribble and said to
 All about testing...

 PC>  ! Origin: -≡ CompuBBS ≡- Edmundston, NB - [phone] -

Gotcha message in Victoria, Texas today. Looks like you're getting out,
too.

                                        -=<-Katherine->=-



... I'm here to question all your answers.
~~~ Blue Wave/RA v2.05

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From: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                    Number: 2272
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/19/94 10:12p
Subj: Test Message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks to everyone who sent me confirmation that my test message of 16
January went out okay!

                                          -=<-Katherine->=-



... I'm locked inside a chocolate factory... DON'T send help!
~~~ Blue Wave/RA v2.05

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 2273
  To: BOB SLOWINSKI                            Date: 01/19/94  8:03p
Subj: Planet_Connect                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Monday January 17 1994, Bob Slowinski writes to Jim St. John:

Hello Bob!

 >> Ken I think you are exaggerating just a tad here aren't
 >> you?

 BS> When I first read his response I must say I  was rather let down, and did
 BS> not think I would be able to get connected,

I apologize Bob, seems I should have been anywhere than at the keyboard that
day as I was in a mild RANT mood due to some system problems here caused by
being unprepared for extra-normal file dumps from PC. Indeed 10g's is too much.

Sorry for misleading you and besmirching the planet conect guys although, to be
very frank...I'm finding that the system required to be able to carry
everything they send, would DEFINATLEY have to have more than a gig worth of
hard drives here and there.  the fidonet backbone (which I have put up for my
callers) is 110 megs with 200 messages per area (not very generous).  If you
wanted to put up internet, its a 100 megs a day..so assume you wanted (for some
reason ALL of it) you'd need at least 700 megs to have some continuity of only
one week's worth of mail. add up all the utilities to handle and process and
show it to a bbs caller and you have a gig.

ok, thats worst case "MAIL ONLY"  senario..but now add files, we get around 6
megs average per day. in one month, barring any extra heavy file dumps, you'll
have filled 120 megs in your average month. how much drive space do you have
allocated for that? naturally you may not want it all either (i personally have
no need for all the novell areas, gif, clipper, bla bla bla. but ..)

If you were to take full advantage of all the data PC is sending..gigs of drive
space would be the single most neccessary thing to make it all work.  I
upgraded from 400 to  550 and it was full in one week.  Easy to say "Delete
stuff" but what to delete? that great program from a month ago? or the stuff
that just came in? <grin>

'sides...a bigger system is always the goal regardless of PC or not <smile>
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Wednesday January 19 1994

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From: BOB ROSS                               Number: 2274
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/19/94  9:49p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

19 Jan 94 01:30, Boyd Goodin wrote to Wallace Sheldon:

 BG> One thing I
 BG> have learned from all this is that no matter what I do to add things there
 BG> are some that are going to complain.

I'm quite sure I could do a dissertation on this subject Boyd.  It's a "fact of
life" when you provide services to a group of individuals of our food chain
:-).


Bob

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 2275
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/20/94  4:58p
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RH>                            Do you know if those cables
 RH> are anything special for the parallel or serial ports?
 RH> (Or better yet, do you know the pin configurations?)

I don't have a Lantastic-Z manual sitting around here, but the pinouts are in
the back.  You can't use a standard parallel cable, although a laplink cable
might work for the serial side.  Check the back of your manual - if you're
handy with a soldering iron you'll have no trouble building one.

-=- Craig.


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From: JERRY SCROGGIN                         Number: 2276
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 01/20/94  7:33p
Subj: Re: lannet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DP>       Is "lannet" a PC group or a Fidonet area.. I can't find
DP>       neither in my ACONFIG.SKY or FIDONET.NA/NO files.

it's a fido file echo..it's in the filebone flagged as on the backbone...it's
for lantastics...haven;t seen anything since i switched over to planet
connect..
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From: FRED SEIBEL                            Number: 2277
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 01/20/94  7:24p
Subj: Sorting                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->  >> I'm going to be switching to Os/2 within a couple of weeks. Is th
->  >> way to make the dongle work under OS/2? I'd like to cut everythin
->  >> to working on one system, instead of 3 machines running under Lan
->
->  >     The "LOCK" will not work under OS2.
->  > ..Boyd
->
-> I hope you aren't just leaving it at that!
->
-> Let get this working on a real operating system!
->
-> Tim Jacobs -

Nice to know that you recognize DOS, DESQview and
NOVELL 3.11 as a "real operating system".          ;)


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From: MURRAY PLETSCH                         Number: 2278
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 01/20/94 11:46p
Subj: Notice!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > sorry that the one genealogy echo has to bite the dust, so to
 > speak :-)

Hmmm....I missed any reference to the genealogy echo being chopped. Which echo
was that....?

Regards/.......Murray

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2279
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 01/20/94  8:30p
Subj: Re: OS/2                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > DP>        Will PTCCMAIN.EXE work within a DOS box under OS/2?

 >No Dave, for the same reason as stated above.  I'm running OS/2, also, and
 >would love to see it work under OS/2.  Sure would make things a lot easier.
 >        Wally

Wally,
       Thanks.
Dave P.

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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 2280
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/21/94  1:03a
Subj: How In The World...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

How in the world are you other PCBoard BBS's out there adding your usenet
newsgroups?? Manually?  You can't just import PCUSENET.TXT into the likes of
PCB-uuCP or UUPCB as it does not contain all the necessary information such as
if it is moderated and if so by whom... I'm at a loss as to where to start
unless we get an active list of usenet groups with the rest of the needed
info... I mean won't we get in trouble if we set a usenet newsgroup as
non-moderated and let messages go out?  I want to start taking advantage of the
usenet feeds, but I cannot because I don't have the proper info to set them up
yet... please help me out someone out there that runs a PCBoard and has set up
their system with the new newsgroups... HELP!!!!

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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 2281
  To: RICHARD REED                             Date: 01/20/94  9:36p
Subj: Re: Test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Richard Reed to All ***

RR> This is a test... Hooked up the dish 2 weeks ago, and ready to
RR> send mails back into PC... Let me know if anyone is gettting this
RR> message out!!
RR>
RR> Thank
RR> Richard

Nope, something must be wrong...didn't make it out...

Glenn

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From: ALEX STUART                            Number: 2282
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 01/20/94  1:38p
Subj: testing...                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GV> Looks fine here on the West Coast of Canada....Nice to see
GV> more Canadian sites springing up....

    How about more Victoria sites :-). I'll be up and running soon.


       -- Alex.

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From: JOE PATTERSON                          Number: 2283
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/19/94 10:40a
Subj: Phone Number                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, does PC have a 800 number or what is a voice number I can call to talk to
a sales person.
                                Thanks..
P.S. I sent you net mail requesting the info packet your sales people send out.
last week. Acknowledgment would be nice. :{)

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From: MARK HENNEKE                           Number: 2284
  To: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                      Date: 01/21/94  6:52a
Subj: Test message                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Today is 16 January, and we've been on Planet Connect via Jeff Camero
-> last weekend. Wondering if messages are going out since some sent thi
-> week have received no replies.
->
-> Any who respond to this message, please quote above paragraph so I ca
-> date whether the system's working here. Thanks.
->
->                                     -=<-Katherine->=-
->
-> --- GEcho 1.00
->  * Origin: Not Ready For Prime Time * Victoria, Tx * 512/576-3893 (1:
->
->
  Hello Katherine it seems your messages are getting out to Gonzales TX
ok.
                 Mark Henneke


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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2285
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/21/94  6:04p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> too bad our tossers don't work like WCUUCP....  tossed 138
-> newsbags this morning...   there was over 20 meg in the
-> directory...  in only 15 minutes....    not too shabby...

I am using WILDUUCP (from the same folks who brought you WILDMAIL) and
it's amazing how much faster it is.  I have WCUUCP but haven't tried it
yet.  I suppose I need to do that before my demo key for WILDUUCP runs
out.
-jim-


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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 2286
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 01/20/94 10:14p
Subj: automated & standardized area requesting  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill Whitehouse wrote in a message to All:

BW>      I mean, why let two programs confuse matters when
BW> you're dealing with essentially the same function:
BW> requesting areas. And SEAL is exceptionally well done.

BW>      Trouble is, SEAL apparently won't recognize same-zone
BW> AKAs (aka 3615/51), and it's author responds to neither
BW> netmail, nor unsolicited cash.

BW>      Anyone else here ever get SEAL to work properly?

yep I run it over here no problems, check out the TUB echo, Robert is in there
every single day.  I get replies back from him all the time, but never through
netmail, just through the echo, and seal is a great! prg.  Although I haven't
had time to put the new version in yet.

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 2287
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 01/20/94 10:17p
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill Whitehouse wrote in a message to All:

BW>      Otherwise, those lists are impentrable.

BW>      Know of any utility or door that employs that data to
BW> make on-line searching and area requesting a bit less
BW> daunting? Something capable of scanning the elist and
BW> tagging area names so users could toggle areas on their own?

you mean like a offline reader door?

just give all of the echos to your users and let them download fidonet.na, and
figure out what they want.

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From: JEFF MURPHY                            Number: 2288
  To: DON KULHA                                Date: 01/20/94  9:07p
Subj: Mr. Pierce                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  MP> To all you jerks! all of my messages that I have ever

 >     Hey, did you notice that the sunrise was a little
 > brighter and the air a little fresher this morning? Nice
 > day isn't it!

You had sex last night, didn't you.  :-)

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2289
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 01/21/94 10:56a
Subj: Re: Notice!                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >>        from PC and they aren't in either the ECHOLIST.NA or NO.

 >Many of the echos you listed appear in FidoNet.Na or .No and therefore are
 >properly being carried on the bird. Some of them are quite important
 >conferences :-) The thing is that an echo does not need to be listed in the
 >echolist to qualify, it needs to be listed in one of the fidonet.n? files.

Glenn,
       Your right and I do stand corrected... of the list below I did find
       the following areas in either the FIDONET.NA or .NO.  The others
       are not..

       3RDPARTY_CLN
       GENESIS_BETA     --> In FIDONET.NA
       GENESIS_SYSOP    --> In FIDONET.NA
       GT_ANSI
       MACFILES
       MSDNSYSOP
       QMX_XRS          --> In FIDONET.NO
       SAN
       SB_SYSOPS        --> In FIDONET.NA
       SDN_CONF
       SDN_PUBLIC
       SF_ANNOUNCE
       UTILNET2
       WDNET_ADMIN
       WDNET_SYSO
       WDN_ADM

 >>        WDN_ADM

 >That one, BTW, is the companion echo to the WordProcessing Distribution
 >Network file areas. If the file areas are transported, so too must be the
 >user echo.
 >.glenn.
 >WDN Coordinator.

       Glenn, I didn't mean to come across as not wanting them, it
       would only be nice to know what they are, particularly if they
       aren't described in the FIDONET lists and are being included as
       part of FIDO echos.

       BTW.  Don't some areas have restrictions applied to them..?
             ie.. must be member of said net or sysop/administrator only.
             That sort of info would also be nice to know.
Thanks
Dave P.

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From: BILL MCNAIR                            Number: 2290
  To: RICHARD REED                             Date: 01/21/94 11:11p
Subj: Re: Test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Glenn Vermette to Richard Reed <=-

 GV> *** Quoting Richard Reed to All ***

 RR> This is a test... Hooked up the dish 2 weeks ago, and ready to
 RR> send mails back into PC... Let me know if anyone is gettting this
 RR> message out!!
 RR>
 RR> Thank
 RR> Richard

     Nope - Sorry Richard ....... didn't make it to Hamilton, Ontario.
            Jan.21st, 1994    22:38 hrs.
            But keep on trying.


... If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
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From: TOM HAAVISTO                           Number: 2291
  To: MAURO INCROCCI                           Date: 01/21/94  5:35p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


> I am a FidoNet NEC and I am testing a Grunged Message Detection program.  I
> have it running smoothly (only testing and no messages are deleted or
stopped)
> but need some input from you.


I started running GMD here a few days ago to clean up our own mail feeds, and
I found a number of interesting things.  If allowed to do so, it would
generate a LOT of complaint messages.  Everything from multiple origin lines,
data missing, data not in correct order, origin lines too long, non-ASCII
characters (above 127), future dates (wrong year), old dates (wrong year) etc.
As the author (correctly) points out, using it can violate FidoNet policy very
easily if allowed to do so.

I don't know how others feel about this issue, but these grunged messages were
causing my mail tosser to hiccup, and generate NEW (grunged) outgoing
messages.  To make a long story short, if a message is seriously damaged, I
kill it here, as well as the outgoing messages that GMD creates.

What I would *personally* like to see is every NEC run GMD, and send these
complaint messages BACK to the nodes under it, but NOT send complaint messages
elsewhere to the net.  I think this would help a number of systems clean up
the mail packets that they create, and make sure that they at least come close
to what is required...

When I first started running it, I was simply AMAZED at some of these messages
(and how far out of spec they are).  Now, I just let GMD do its thing quietly
in the backround, and since I am only looking after my own feed, I can live
with the consequences of a few killed messages, and a mail tosser that is a
lot happier with what it gets.


>Tom<


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From: TOM HAAVISTO                           Number: 2292
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/21/94  5:38p
Subj: PSORT                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Jason.

Just a quick THANK YOU for the PSORT program - works like a charm.  I am
glad to see that you will be adding support for having AREAS.BBS located
elsewhere, and if you could limit the size of the packets it creates, I
would be even happier.  Off hand, looks pretty good for a first release!

>Tom<


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From: JEFF OLESEN                            Number: 2293
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 01/18/94  9:29a
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

WS>  BG>     Well Patty, what can I say? Except, that the
WS>  BG> majority like what I did.
WS>  BG>
WS> need to send something letting everyone know what's happening.  If you
disagree
WS> with that, then we have SERIOUS problems!

Nope. YOU have a problem. The rest of us (as Boyd stated) are satisfied
with things the way they are. Big clumps of files without .TIC's are a
problem. But I'd rather have them than not, and it's unfair to expect
Boyd to sit down and describe these things. Instead, scream at the moron
who puts his files up without FILE_ID.DIZ or DESC.SDI. All of us who are
on the ball have automatic DIZ processors (and we use them anyway on the
TIC'ed stuff because the TIC's are only .5 lines) which make this stuff
easy.

Skaal,
 White Viking -}-----*

     *8)


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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 2294
  To: RICHARD REED                             Date: 01/22/94  1:50a
Subj: Re: Test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 RR> This is a test... Hooked up the dish 2 weeks ago, and ready to
 RR> send mails back into PC... Let me know if anyone is gettting
 RR> this message out!!

Got it fine in Cold, Cold, Wisconsin! <G>.

--jah

... Veni, Vidi, Clinti -- I Came, I Saw, I Lied.
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From: SCOTT BROOKER                          Number: 2295
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/20/94  4:35p
Subj: Re: Lantastic                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Check the back of your manual, you should find the pinouts for the lantastic Z
cables..

Scott.



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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2296
  To: MURRAY PLETSCH                           Date: 01/21/94  4:30p
Subj: Notice!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hmmm....I missed any reference to the genealogy echo being
 > chopped. Which echo was that....?

I don't remember the exact tag, but it appeared to be a French genealogy echo
if I recall. It was in the list Boyd posted showing the "undesirables" :-) and
was tagged something like Genealogy.fr??

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2297
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 01/21/94  5:40p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Since I'm using OS/2, it's easier to write a small program to
 > take care of the situation.  One fellow in our net has written a

Wallace I think you're the second one I've seen saying they are using OS/2. How
do you get it to work with PTCCMAIN?

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 2298
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 01/21/94  9:29p
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >      Know of any utility or door that employs that data to make on-line
 > searching and area requesting a bit less daunting? Something capable of
 > scanning the elist and tagging area names so users could toggle areas on
 > their own?

This is not an attack, it is a statement of facts.  If you run a good bbs, you
can carry all the areas that come in, and you will have some sort of built in
"area selection" that the user can use to pick the areas (s)he wants to read
and ignore all the rest.  RA calls it "Combined Reading"  I dunno what the
others call it.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 2299
  To: RICHARD REED                             Date: 01/21/94  9:37p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > AGGGGGRRRR!! InterEcho got damn origin bug!! Glad I caught it.. Anyone
 > know how to add 3615/50 to seenby path for intermail?

I didn't think that you wanted to put 50 in the seenbys.  Boyd would never see
it if you did that.

See ya                                                                  todd

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 2300
  To: RICHARD REED                             Date: 01/21/94  7:24a
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RR> Let me know if anyone is gettting this message out!!
RR>  * Origin: Planet Systems Inc. Newport Tn. (1:3615/50)

Message can through, but oh boy are you going to have problems with this tag
line and aka....  ;-)

John....

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 2301
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 01/21/94  7:36a
Subj: Re: PCUTILS                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DP>        What Feb 1 date problem are you talking about?

Dave, due to a bug in the code of PCUtil, the control number:

0000FFFF.TU0   34376  FRIDAY    11-01-93
               ^^^^^
in the CHECK.IDX file will fall back 30 days instead on incrementing by 1 day
as it should, everything in the index will be wiped out on the first run after
midnite on the 1st, so there will be no index to do a dup verification by and
all files will be transferred to your holding directory wether thay have been
received or not. I will have PCFU in distribution before that time so you can
make a conversion over to it in a controlled situation and not dump a full day
of dup messages into the echo pool......

John......

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From: KIM PIERSON                            Number: 2302
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 01/21/94 10:17p
Subj: Garbage Netmail Messages                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


BR>my gosh....   do I have to put up with you EVERYwhere I go (g).....

Yep, ya never know where I'll pop up  :)

BR>you might want to reconsider leaving the other net...   Wendy/Peter
  >bounced the offensive ones, and things have really cooled down....

I may in a couple months, I'm going to let the LD drop awhile and see
how things are going to go at work with the new owners (the boss sold
the company last week to a large corp).  Gotta save the pennies for
a larger HD with all the files that are dropping out of the sky now.

BR>glad we still have a place to rag each other....

Ya, I was going to miss that sense of humor of yours  <G>.

Kim
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From: WALLACE SHELDON                        Number: 2303
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 01/22/94  7:27p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Since I'm using OS/2, it's easier to write a small program to
 > take care of the situation.  One fellow in our net has written a

 GC> Wallace I think you're the second one I've seen saying
 GC> they are using OS/2. How do you get it to work with PTCCMAIN?

I'm running PlanetC software on a seperate DOS machine, and sending the files
over a direct connect on my 8th line at 57,600.  It appears that PTCCMAIN will,
itself, run in a DOS box on OS/2, but the Dongle won't work on OS/2.  It's my
understanding that the folks at PC are trying to get the manufacture of the
Dongle to fix it so it will work on OS/2.  It would be great to run everything
on one machine.  Sure would beat a LAN setup with several machines to do the
job of one.

        Wally


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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 2304
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/18/94  5:02p
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>    Well just got the list in and will be lokinng it over. I have one
BG> going overtoday called PCUSENET.TXT that contains a list of the ones
BG> we have going over now. It will start toi increase even more as the
BG> days go by.The PC software will receive them in the USENET directory.
BG> At Present we are not set up to allow return on the Usenet. I have to
BG> check andsee what kind of administative nightmare this will be.


BG> ...Boyd

Is there a way I can shut this off Boyd?
I don't want the pcusernet now, and doubt that I ever will.

-Joe
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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 2305
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 01/20/94  9:15p
Subj: HOORAY!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JD> The place to ask would be HDCONF, Joe. Although I've not frequented
JD> that echo recently, it used to have some *very* knowlegable people in
JD> it.

I have it on here, but haven't posted anything yet. Maybe I will get around to
it tonight..

-Joe
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From: JAMES MCORMOND                         Number: 2306
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/17/94  2:11p
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of Tu 11-Jan-94 21:19, Jim St. John wrote:

 JSJ>    They will carry "90-95%" of the newsgroups, but probably
 JSJ> not the 'x-rated' stuff.

So they're actually going to specifically not receive areas?  The way UseNet
feeds are setup, is that when you request "Alt", you get everything under Alt,
unless you specifically remove it.  So, if they don't want to carry the Alt.Sex
newsgroups, they'd specifically be removing them.

 JSJ>    They are still working on a pricing structure for folks
 JSJ> who want Newsgroups *and* the other stuff.

So its going to be a different price for UseNet groups as well?

What kind of a setup are we looking at here?


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From: BOB FRADY                              Number: 2307
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/22/94  8:40p
Subj: Apogee files, etc.                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RR>Boyd,

RR>I've seen some messages here previously saying that they didn't like the
RR>Apogee, Software Creations, etc. files that came down.  Thought I'd let you
RR>know that *I* did appreciate them coming in, and that I hope you continue to
RR>add extra files like this.

Ditto! I had some already but the remainder was greatly appreciated.
Just had to install them manually, but I can live with it for those
surprises...

Bob

 * OLX 2.1 TD * ...SYSOP \'sis ap\ n: the person laughing as you type...


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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 2308
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/22/94  7:56p
Subj: NODEDIFF.A21 is BAD                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > if you run this Nodediff.021 about 2/3rd of NET382 will be MISSING...
 > you must return to using NODELIST.014, untill this bug is ixed next
 > week?

Ummm that's kind of hard to do.  Once the nodediff is processed, the new
nodelist is the only nodelist that I have :(  I hope nobody needs to call you
direct in case of an emergency :)  Thanks for the notice.

See ya                                                      Todd

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From: PAUL MALLETT                           Number: 2309
  To: TIM JACOBS                               Date: 01/22/94  3:25p
Subj: Sorting                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >     The "LOCK" will not work under OS2.

TJ> I hope you aren't just leaving it at that!
TJ> Let get this working on a real operating system!

This is a fault/feature of OS/2, not of the Planet Connect software. OS/2 does
not allow for direct access to hardware dongles. It's certainly conveivable
that IBM could change that, but in the mean time there is nothing that can be
done, except remove the dongle check. :>

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2310
  To: RICK ROSINSKI                            Date: 01/22/94 12:07p
Subj: Re: Apogee files, etc.                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >I've seen some messages here previously saying that they didn't like the
 >Apogee, Software Creations, etc. files that came down.  Thought I'd let you
 >know that *I* did appreciate them coming in, and that I hope you continue
 >to add extra files like this.

Rick,
       Even though I had most of them already, I too appreciated the
       service from Planet Connect.
Dave P.

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From: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                    Number: 2311
  To: MARK HENNEKE                             Date: 01/22/94  1:45p
Subj: Re: Test message                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 01-21-94  06:52, Mark Henneke munched on a Tribble and said to
 Katherine Schroeder about Test message

 MH> Hello Katherine it seems your messages are getting out to Gonzales
 MH> TX ok.

Hey there, Mark! I figured you were involved in this thing. :)

Yep, we've got things running now. Except that COM2 fried the other day
and Jeff had to reconfigure for COM1.

How's the userbase in Gonzales these days?

                                         -=<-Katherine->=-



... We've missed you; we'll aim better next time!
~~~ Blue Wave/RA v2.05

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2312
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/22/94  3:58p
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> too bad our tossers don't work like WCUUCP....  tossed 138
-> -> newsbags this morning...   there was over 20 meg in the
-> -> directory...  in only 15 minutes....    not too shabby...
->
-> I am using WILDUUCP (from the same folks who brought you WILDMAIL) an
-> it's amazing how much faster it is.  I have WCUUCP but haven't tried
-> yet.  I suppose I need to do that before my demo key for WILDUUCP run
-> out.


according to the comparison sheet that OCR put out, it is MUCH
faster than WCuucp, but I have a feeling that they compared it
to the first version that Mustang released...

cheers...

Bill...


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2313
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/22/94  4:41p
Subj: NODEDIFF.A21 is BAD                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> =====================================================================
-> * Forwarded by George Vandervort's Gerbils (1:382/8)
-> * Area : NET382-SYSOP
-> * From : George Vandervort, 1:382/8 (Friday January 21 1994 16:28)
-> * To   : All
-> * Subj : NODEDIFF.A21 is BAD
-> =====================================================================
->
-> Hello All!
-> for those who ran NODEDIFF.A21 and can't find me in the Nodelist..
->
->
-> NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE
->
-> This weeks NODEDIFF.A21 is BAD..


did you make someone mad at you George (g)......

cheers...

Bill..


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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2314
  To: TOM HAAVISTO                             Date: 01/22/94 10:19p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >When I first started running it, I was simply AMAZED at some of these
 >messages (and how far out of spec they are).  Now, I just let GMD do its
 >thing quietly in the backround, and since I am only looking after my own
 >feed, I can live with the consequences of a few killed messages, and a mail
 >tosser that is a lot happier with what it gets.
 >>Tom<

Tom,
       I would suspect that Fido is plagued with Grunged Messages.
       Everyday I see violations and it only seems to grow.

       Dupes are also another problem that many have been ignoring.
       Most of the current/newer echomail tossing program, ie..
       GEcho, FastEcho, Squish, can't keep track of any more than
       64k to 128k of messages.  With the total echomail traffic in
       Fido nowadays, it doesn't take long for that threshold to be
       reached.  The old reliable ConfMail is capable of keeping track
       of upto 6,000 per area, and with upto 600 areas, that would
       allow 3,600,000 total messages to be kept track of.  Dupes
       don't slip by that often.

       Heck, here are the stats from Boyd on the above topic alone.

 >     To: ALL                     Origin: 1:3615/50
 >                              Duplicate Statistics
 >                              ====================
 >                        Period: 1994-01-21 to 1994-01-22
 > TOTAL:                     509
 >--- QM v1.26/b
 > * Origin: Planet Systems Inc. Newport Tn. (1:3615/50)

Dave P.



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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 2315
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/22/94 12:17p
Subj: Os/2                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>   depends on how willing IBM is towards working with Aztec on a solution.

IBM has hosted TONS of seminars helping vendors port their device
drivers...I wonder how willing Aztec is to spend the money to make it
so?

Have you missed the message where someone recently said they would port
the code for you?  It has been in the last week in this conference if I
am not mistaken.

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From: EDDIE ROWE                             Number: 2316
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/22/94 12:17p
Subj: Os/2                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>   Tim I spent an hour on the phone with IBM and got no farther ahead than i
BG>I did not call them at all. I got the impression that they dont realy care
BG>about finding a solution. No wonder they are losing money. ;-)

The division of IBM responsible for OS/2 continues to rake in the
cash, OS/2 sales last year were reported to be over 5 million and
steadily climbing -- don't let the hype from Microsoft and their
magazines pull the wool over your eyes.

Do you even know if you're calling the right folks at IBM -- I have
called many companies in the past and had difficulty getting past the
operators since I didn't know whom to ask for.  Be willing to bet you a
$1 if you (or Aztec persons) were to post a rundown on the problem, and
inquire as to whom to contact at IBM or where to get info in the
OS2PROG conference (OS/2 Programming) in Fidonet you might be successful
and make lots of persons happy who no longer use DOS.

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2317
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 01/22/94 10:17a
Subj: How In The World...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John Lundell babbled profusely in a message to All:


 JL> How in the world are you other PCBoard BBS's out there
 JL> adding your usenet newsgroups?? Manually?  You can't just
 JL> import PCUSENET.TXT into the likes of PCB-uuCP or UUPCB as
 JL> it does not contain all the necessary information such as if
 JL> it is moderated and if so by whom... I'm at a loss as to
 JL> where to start unless we get an active list of usenet groups
 JL> with the rest of the needed info... I mean won't we get in
 JL> trouble if we set a usenet newsgroup as non-moderated and
 JL> let messages go out?  I want to start taking advantage of
 JL> the usenet feeds, but I cannot because I don't have the
 JL> proper info to set them up yet... please help me out someone
 JL> out there that runs a PCBoard and has set up their system
 JL> with the new newsgroups... HELP!!!!

While I don't know much about PCBoard, I'd like to think I have a few clues on
the usenet stuff, as I had to learn them to write the gateway programo GIGO.
(shameless plug).  Anyhow..

If you allow a user to post to a moderated newsgroup, when you send the
messages to your uplink, the uplink simply won't forward them, since they do
not contain the proper authorization.  I wouldn't worry about breaking
something :-)

As to _where_ to get this information:  Start watching news.answers and
news.lists; they usually every couple of weeks get an updated list posted
there, along with the moderators of the newsgorups.  news.lists will be the
easier place to find this information.

Depending on who you are sending the email and newsgroups through (since you
can't do that through P.C.), they may already have the information you are
seeking.  Ask your provider.


Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2318
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/20/94 11:58p
Subj: PSORT                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Jason,

19 Jan 94, 12:53, Jason Fesler wrote to Wallace Sheldon:

 JF> Actually, as soon as the os/2 half of development finishes the
 JF> updates, areas.bbs support in other directories has been added, as
 JF> well as the ability to specify the max amount of memory to use.

Is there a max number of messages it can handle?  I received about 17,000
messages at one time one day this week due to a backlog and it barfed.  I
normally get 11,000 to 13,000 messages and it's handled that flawlessly.  BTW,
I'm our NEC and get my feed from the NC, who owns the PC stuff.  Therefore, I
don't have to process the whole back.  I'm running in a VDM under OS/2 2.1 if
that matters.


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From: DAVID UNFRIED                          Number: 2319
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 01/22/94 10:39a
Subj: Plan_conn                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Wallace!

Tuesday January 18 1994 18:04, Wallace Sheldon wrote to Bill Roper:


 BR>> using WCUUCP here, and as far as I can tell, it works just fine...

 WS> Bill, where can I get WCUUCP?

WcUUCP is available from Mustang in Bakersfield, CA or check several
ads in Boardwatch which sell Mustang products at a discount. I inquired at
COMPUsa which now sells Wildcat! but does not offer any utilties or option
packages. List price is $299.00

I would like to suggest WILDuucp.... it's cheaper ($149), will do gating to
Fidonet packets, and generally has more options. The only potential downside is
for Wildcat! 4.x alpha and beta testers, the Mustang version will most likely
be available much sooner. Wilduucp does not include a printed manual, but the
300+ page manual on disk is well written and helped clear up a lot of confusion
about several questions I had connecting to a Internet service provider. The
Mustang printed manual is strictly a "how to use our software" booklet. On a
program to program comparison, they are very similar.


Wilduucp:
Online Computer Resources
Attn: Joe Martin
601 Sacramento Suite 1406
Vallejo, CA 94590
[phone]
Fidonet 1:161/502

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From: DAVID UNFRIED                          Number: 2320
  To: RIC WALSH                                Date: 01/22/94 10:29a
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ric!

Tuesday January 18 1994 23:28, Ric Walsh wrote to John Luong:

 JL>> I am writing a paper about communications satellites and was
 JL>> wondering if anybody from Plannet Connect could tell me about
 JL>> what satellite they broadcast through, and a little information
 JL>> about it.

 RW> Buy a copy of this months BOARDWATCH magazine and it should tell you
 RW> everything you want to know.

This is fine for a report or research, but I have noticed that a few details in
the article have changed or were left out. Our local Fido group has already
installed a PC dish, but I have also been looking at Plannet Connect and
several other services for Internet connectivity for two separate projects.
Getting detailed questions answered has been difficult, the response has been
little more than "buy a dish and you'll figure it out"......

David

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From: GARY CRAIN                             Number: 2321
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 01/21/94  2:50p
Subj: automated & standardized area requesting  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill Whitehouse wrote in a message to All:

BW>      Anyone else here ever get SEAL to work properly?

   It's working here for the echomail part, and quite well.  The
   files/tic part seem to be a little broken for arcmailattach mailers.
   I'm working with the author to see what's wrong.  If you need to talk
   to Robert, he's quite active in "TUB" the Squish support area.

Regards,
           Gary

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From: MARTY DUPLISSEY                        Number: 2322
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/22/94  6:52p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello all!

This is a test. Please respond


Marty

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 2323
  To: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                         Date: 01/22/94  2:56p
Subj: Re: New Here                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> SA> Boy its about time!  I thought you would never do it, been
 >> SA> reading your posts in the TVRO echo for a long time now.  Glad
 >> SA> you are here, I'm an 'old timer' here, been hooked up for a
 >> SA> couple months now.

 >> :-)  This is really GREAT!  Heck, I've been hooking up digital
 >> data systems for quite a few years now for EDS, GM, HUGHES, etc.,
 >> and I never realized the need for us SysOps until I got my own PC
 >> system!

 SA> Yep, the only problem so far is the tremendous amount of
 SA> messages/files etc that we are getting.  There just aren't
 SA> enough hours in the day to go through all this stuff!

Yeah...and the flood of OS/2 files coming down is a pain to sort through
also.

--jah

... Hard Work has a Future Payoff.  Laziness Pays off Now.
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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2324
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/23/94  8:38a
Subj: Help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello
 I have a couple of questions. I am running Remote Access and Frontdoor here
with Planet Connect. How do I get the Rosenet and pcusnet and all of the other
stuff tossed. I dont have a problem with Fido. I am using Fmail for a Toss. I
know I need some other utilities to handle these other areas but I dont know
what..
Thanks for any help.. Gill Blue
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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2325
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 12/24/93  2:35p
Subj: NewsGroups                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I appologize for that Martin. I saw that happening. You had called du
-> upcoming event and didn't have time for the DL. I am very sorry. I am
-> that file to your system right now. Let me open a window and do that.
-> Let me know if you received it ok. Look in your inbound.

Thank you.  Received in good order.  Appreciate you sending it.

I run D'Bridge.  With my events, the caller still is allowed to finish
the call and then the event runs after the call is completed.  Guess I'm
just used to being able to do things that way.....grin...

Again, thanks for sending the file.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2326
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/26/93 10:38p
Subj: Seasons Greetings!                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->     Now I am off to take a well deserved day off!

Gonna have to call and talk to your boss if you are being given a WHOLE
day off.  That just ain't right.  You are only allowed 3 minutes a day
of free time and I've alrady used up at least 2 years worth.  Get back
to the GRIN-STONE you slackert!!!

                         -- GGRRIINN --

Hope you had (or have) a pleasant day off and come back all refreshed
and charged up for the tasks ahead.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2327
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 12/26/93 10:53p
Subj: Dupes ???                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->     Ok, first, I am NOT talking about my OWN messages coming back. Is
-> just my system, or is there a SERIOUS dupe loop happening. I just rea
-> through about 120 messages, of which 60 were original and the others
-> dupes.

Getting the same here.  But at least it gives me a chance to read the
message again, just in case it really was important..... grin......

Me thinks someone has something set wrong and has forgotten to severe
the LandLine link.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2328
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 12/28/93 12:03a
Subj: Re: NETMAIL                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    Yes once I had it set right. Now I am getting routed netmail to un
-> nodes and you name it. So I guess it is up to everyone to get thier s
-> straight now eh?

That sounds about right.  Seems that some systems think that they can
route netmail bound for other nets through fidonet nodes and it will
work.........If it ain't in the fidonet nodelist, it ain't gonna get
routed correctly.....

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2329
  To: BOB SLOWINSKI                            Date: 12/28/93 11:03p
Subj: this echo?                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Just wondering if this echo is active?

No, just a few messages an hour.......grin.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2330
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 12/30/93 12:55p
Subj: New File Areas                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Does anyone have any ideas what these File distribution areas are?  T
-> showed up on the bird over this last weekend.
->
-> 2-BBS
-> 2-PIC
-> 2-WINDOW
->
-> They all contained SDN/SDA files apparently intended for a "2-*" area
-> they are not on the Filebone.Na list.

Try reading the file called FILEBONE.NA and you will have your answer.
The SDN areas are undergoing a major change in structure and are all
getting new names.

If you can't find a copy of FILEBONE.NA anywhere else, freq it from me
at 1:232/10 most anytime.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2331
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  9:22p
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > What net are the from and I will pass them on to fill up someone
-> > elces HD with them.<G>
->
->   We got all the games in on tape and decided to send them over the s
-> mistake on my part.

No, not a mistake.  Just a fumbling, bumbling, and tumbling rumbling to
help some stumbling sysops that might not have had all of the Apogee and
Epic collection.

Since I already had all of these, I just deleted them, but now every
system connected to you has had the opportunity to have the
creme-de-la-creme of the games available.  Nice touch..........  but
then, what else could one expect from such a gamey outfit....

All of this is just my opinion and doesn't necessarly reflect my opinion
(grin).....

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2332
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/03/94  9:24p
Subj: Re: CRC problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> > JJ>Yepper's your not alone....   Mostly the LIMBAUGH echo and a few
-> > others....
->
-> > Obviously a femi-nazi or Clinton/liberal plot!
->
->    My motherboard was made by Clinton Electronics!

So that's why it steps out on you sometimes and has an Amiga on the
side...

--Martin--

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From: DON KULHA                              Number: 2333
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 01/22/94  9:44a
Subj: Is There Any Way...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 DK> you think the draconian folks who arrested Tony
 DK> Davis would do if they
 DK> found out PC was spraying them with ALT.SEX from a
 DK> sat? What if some of
 DK> the content is deemed pornographic? Interstate transportation of
 DK> banned material can be a very serious charge.

 RA> The areas have been transmitted by the government computers for years..
 RA> Across state and international lines..

     No doubt....but if you were a prosecuter in OK who would you rather go
after....the federal government or a small private business? I hope the folks
at PC remain cautious; they're providing a wonderful service and I'd hate to
see some neandrathal agency shut them down.

     Anyhow, thanks for your thoughts. Before the moderator whacks me and tells
me to take this to POLITICS I'm going to drop this thread. Ciao.....

    DCK


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From: DAN COOK                               Number: 2334
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 01/23/94  1:56a
Subj: automated & standardized area requesting  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 BW>      Trouble is, SEAL apparently won't recognize
 BW> same-zone AKAs (aka 3615/51), and it's author
 BW> responds to neither netmail, nor unsolicited cash.

The author does respond to messages in the FidoNet TUB echo.

- Dan

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From: ART MACK                               Number: 2335
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/23/94  8:01p
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


In a message to Boyd Goodin <01/18/94> Joe Hayes wrote:

JH> BG>    Well just got the list in and will be lokinng it over. I have one
JH> BG> going overtoday called PCUSENET.TXT that contains a list of the ones


Boyd, any chance of sending PCUSENET.TXT down again. I cant believe it
but I lost the bloody thing! I see we are getting more and more USENET
groups coming down, keep up the good work.

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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2336
  To: JAMES MCORMOND                           Date: 01/23/94 10:52p
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> So they're actually going to specifically not receive areas?  The way
-> feeds are setup, is that when you request "Alt", you get everything u
-> unless you specifically remove it.  So, if they don't want to carry t
-> newsgroups, they'd specifically be removing them.
->
   Bear in mind that I am just repeating what was told me in a phone
conversation, and it may be true/false/ and or subject to change.  I
have seen that the alt.sex newsgroup is on now, but haven't seen any
traffic in the others (only been getting newsgroups here for a couple of
days), although some are listed in the pcusenet.txt file, which, as I
understand it, is supposed to be a list of the groups now in the sat
feed.

->  JSJ>    They are still working on a pricing structure for folks
->  JSJ> who want Newsgroups *and* the other stuff.
->
-> So its going to be a different price for UseNet groups as well?

Again, I got the impression when I talked to them that the details
hadn't been worked out but that usenet would probably be priced
separately from everything else, but no decision (at that time) as far
as pricing for customers that want it all.  Hopefully Boyd or someone
actually there may have an update for us.
-jim-


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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 2337
  To: DAVID UNFRIED                            Date: 01/23/94  6:33p
Subj: SATELLITE DISH/PLANNET CONNECT          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >RW> Buy a copy of this months BOARDWATCH magazine and it should tell you
 >RW> everything you want to know.
 >
 > This is fine for a report or research, but I have noticed that a few
 > details in the article have changed or were left out. Our local Fido

Yes there were/have been some changes since that was written in mid December.
They are now selling video equipment if you want TV also was really the biggest
change. When researching, I called on this item for verification in writing the
article and I got the confused guy that always says 'sir' at the end of every
sentence. Polite enough but I've learned to ask for Boyd or Jerry since then if
he answers. PC's biggest issue with the article was that they all had to go out
and buy new crayons for the installation doc's. <chuckle>

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2338
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 01/23/94  4:23p
Subj: Re: PCUTILS                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >DP>        What Feb 1 date problem are you talking about?
 >
 >Dave, due to a bug in the code of PCUtil, the control number:
 >0000FFFF.TU0   34376  FRIDAY    11-01-93
 >in the CHECK.IDX file will fall back 30 days instead on incrementing by 1
 >day as it should, everything in the index will be wiped out on the first
 >run after midnite on the 1st, so there will be no index to do a dup
 >verification by and all files will be transferred to your holding directory
 >wether thay have been received or not. I will have PCFU in distribution
 >before that time so you can make a conversion over to it in a controlled
 >situation and not dump a full day of dup messages into the echo pool......
 >John......

John,
       Thanks for the info, appreciate it.
Dave P.

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2339
  To: DAVID UNFRIED                            Date: 01/23/94  4:25p
Subj: Re: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > RW> Buy a copy of this months BOARDWATCH magazine and it should tell you
 > RW> everything you want to know.

 >This is fine for a report or research, but I have noticed that a few
 >details in the article have changed or were left out. Our local Fido group
 >has already installed a PC dish, but I have also been looking at Plannet
 >Connect and several other services for Internet connectivity for two
 >separate projects.
 >Getting detailed questions answered has been difficult, the response has
 >been little more than "buy a dish and you'll figure it out"......
 >David

David,
       If you have any questions go ahead and ask.
Dave P.

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From: GARY HEDBERG                           Number: 2340
  To: MAURO INCROCCI                           Date: 01/23/94  9:55p
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mauro,
If it will keep those pesky WWIVnet messages out of Fido (because of
non-compliant headers etc) I'm all for it.

Gary
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From: BILL WHITEHOUSE                        Number: 2341
  To: TODD LYONS                               Date: 01/23/94  5:23a
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

According to Todd Lyons (1:3807/104) on Fri, Jan 21 at 21:29:

 >>      Know of any utility or door that employs that data to make
 >> n-line searching and area requesting a bit less daunting?

 TL>This is not an attack, it is a statement of facts.  If you run a good
 TL>bbs, you can carry all the areas that come in, and you will have some
 TL>sort of built in "area selection" that the user can use to pick the
 TL>areas (s)he wants to read and ignore all the rest.  RA calls it
 TL>"Combined Reading"  I dunno what the others call it.

     We run RA, too but haven't the on-line traffic or diskspace to justify the
whole load. A hudson messagebase's 200 area limit is also a burden in the
absence of a JAM tosser as stable as Gecho. Unless there really is one out
there already and I haven't found it yet, which is entirely possible. You know
of one?

     I assume there are a lot of smaller, well run systems like ours out there
scratching by on a shoestring and a prayer, folks who would love nothing better
than to give their users the same easy access they enjoy. Whether they're a
dish downlink or not.

     Is big better? Probably. But it's not always a choice.

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From: BILL WHITEHOUSE                        Number: 2342
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 01/23/94  5:40a
Subj: automated & standardized area requesting  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

According to Guy VanDell (1:116/80) on Thu, Jan 20 at 22:14:

 BW>>      Anyone else here ever get SEAL to work properly?

 GV>yep I run it over here no problems, check out the TUB echo, Robert is in
 GV>there every single day.

     Thanks, I will.

 GV>seal is a great! prg.
 GV>Although I haven't had time to put the new version in yet.

     I figured it was, it's clearly put together with care but it's always
reassuring to hear it confirmed when some bonehead move you make happens to
break it.

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 2343
  To: JOE HAYES                                Date: 01/23/94  7:05p
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

Joe Hayes wrote:

JH> Is there a way I can shut this off Boyd?
JH> I don't want the pcusernet now, and doubt that I ever will.

Any of the specified areas that you have in your config file can be redirected
to the NUL device rather than to any area on your disk drive. See previous
posts in PCSITES or drop me a note there and I'll give you the lines you need
in the pc config to drop usenet (I'd do it now but I'm not logged into the PC
Connect machine at the moment so can't grep the info).


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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 2344
  To: JAMES MCORMOND                           Date: 01/23/94  7:09p
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

James McOrmond wrote:

JM> So they're actually going to specifically not receive areas?
JM>  The way UseNet feeds are setup, is that when you request
JM> "Alt", you get everything under Alt, unless you specifically
JM> remove it.  So, if they don't want to carry the Alt.Sex
JM> newsgroups, they'd specifically be removing them.

Actually your news config file for your site can specify any portion of a
usenet newsgroup heirarchy as NOT receive or receive. You could have alt.bbs
and alt.sex (and all derivatives of those heirarchies) and no other alt
newsgroups or you can get alt and then specify NOT alt.sex if you wish.

JM> So its going to be a different price for UseNet groups as
JM> well?

Sounds like there will be a combined fido/usenet rate in the area of 50-55 US
last I heard but that is unsubstatiated rumour on my part and is subject to all
the normal disclaimers. Personally, I get almost a full feed at present but if
the price is reasonable I'll drag both in via the bird.

JM> What kind of a setup are we looking at here?

For usenet you need either a unix style reader like tin for OS/2 or a BBS like
Waffle to get full compatibility. Using Fredgate (I can vouch for this one) or
GIGO (sounds like it's a good program but I've not tried it) you can utilize
your own FTN mailer as these packages just convert the newsgroup to fidoecho
and back as needed. That means you get Packets that are tossed to new echos
that correspond to your news. There are probably quite a few packages out there
for Amiga as well but I run IBM so I can't help there.

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2345
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/24/94  1:23a
Subj: Support Problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>   First off who is Dan?

    Dan is the same gentleman that we've spoken with on several occasions now,
Boyd, and the same gentleman who took our credit card information over the
phone, updated our registration code and advised us of the weather related
problems last weekend when we called to see if that was what had occurred when
the satellite feed was down for a bit.
    I have slight hearing loss in the low range so it's possible that I
misunderstood his name if he has a low voice, but Remus understood his name to
be Dan also.

>    This could happen. If you see a 6144 error then it is a dat time
> violation. If the clock goes back in time wit will come up with this.

    Okay, thanks for the info, we were concerned about his question and how or
what he meant by it, Boyd.

>    Which I told your hubby. For the first time renewal it is retroactive
> from the date you specified in the contract where it asdks what date you
> started using Planet Connect. This has always been our policy.

    Ahhh, okay, I understand that as well, Boyd.  Btw, he's not my hubby yet
and you're still invited to the wedding if you can get away in time.

>    This should not of happened. Our policy is that we ONLY reset the lock
> for 90 days even if you have payed a full year in advanced.

    This part I really don't fully understand.  If the check or charge card has
cleared and the money is in the Planet Connect bank account, why would the lock
only be reset for 90 days?  I'm sure you have your reasons for it, but I am
curious.

>    Depends. If you read the contract it stated that it your subscription
> would start on the day you put in for starting to use Planet Connect. I also
> explained to your hubby why we have the 90 days limit. If you got reset for
> the full year what are you complaining about?

    We did read the contract, Boyd, although admittedly we did not consult with
our attorney to see if it was kosher by him.
    What I'm complaining about is the way things were handled and asking you,
basically, could it not have been handled more easily by your office had the
staff been more knowledgeable regarding your services and/or policies.

>    Thats why the 90 day limit. If you did not pay then we just dont reset
> you till you did.

    Understandable, but that means that 1) the subscriber may not be aware of
the problem and can't take the necessary steps to make things right and 2)
Planet Connect doesn't get their money in as timely a manner as it might.  I
think we both agree that Planet Connect isn't a non-profit organization and
therefore relies upon the income provided by it's subscribers.  Wouldn't it be
better to give some type of notification in advance and allow the subscriber to
rectify the problem rather than simply cut him/her off?  Just a thought.

>   Well takes time to train people. Did you learn everything about how our
> program works and what is involved in getting data over the sat overnight?

    Not at all, Boyd, but when people call for support, they expect to be able
to speak with someone who at least conveys a basic knowledge of their services
or is willing to find out.  At this time, that seems to be only you, Boyd, and
since you're often busy or otherwise unavailable that often leaves questions
unanswered until such time as you may be reached.

    True, it takes time to learn something new, but unless we speak directly
with you it seems that we are unable to receive information or answers. Again,
this doesn't speak well for the company you work for.  I believe that at this
time, Planet Connect is the only game in town, but this may not always be the
case and the business that is turned away by poor support or services may not
be back later.

>  Show me a company that is just starting and hiring new people that are as
> organized as you want it to be. Everything takes time. Heck a year ago I had
> no idea about how this all works. But At least I am trying to figure it all
> out.

    And you've done an admirable job of learning it all, Boyd.  The problem is
that you appear to the be the only one doing so.  You are the one who seems
primarily involved with answering questions and providing support via this echo
and probably others on other networks.  Are we incorrect in desiring the same
level of support or knowledge from other support personnel when we make a voice
call to your offices?


> lucky. If I would have been there when Jim reset your lock there would have
> been no way that he would have did it for a year. Policy is policy and come
> hell or high water I will stay with my decisions.

    Ahhh, so Dan=Jim!  I seem to recall your having told me that once before,
Boyd. That does clear up some confusion on our part trying to figure out who we
spoke to if it wasn't someone named Dan.

    At any rate, I am aware that you don't own the company, Boyd, but I do
admit confusion when you speak of "my decisions."  Are you the person who makes
policy for the company?

    Also, I don't recall asking you to go against your policy although I have
questioned the purpose of some of them.

>    I will not lie. It will get better but from your comments, not fast
> enough for you.

    Actually, I believe you're putting words in my mouth here, Boyd.  My
question was whether or not it would improve.  I imposed no timetable on
improvement, but did want some assurance that it would do so.

     I am known to be rather vocal at times, Boyd, but I made an effort in my
message, to which yours was a reply, to not be strident.  Perhaps I missed the
mark and if that was the case I do apologize, but I feel that my question(s)
are valid and deserving of a response.

                               --)@  Patty  @(--





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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2346
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/24/94  1:22a
Subj: What the Hell@!!!!!!                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

   No can do. We do not process any of the other networks. Unless each
network that is sending to us has a dish and does the gating, it will never
happen on our end.

    Makes sense.  Just thought I'd ask.  Thanks for the response.


                               --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2347
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/24/94  1:26a
Subj:                                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Well Patty, what can I say? Except, that the majority like what I did.

    So, majority rules.  Not a problem, just a comment.

                               --)@  Patty  @(--


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From: STEVE NEWMAN                           Number: 2348
  To: EMMETT PERDUE                            Date: 01/23/94  1:49p
Subj:                                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


  Hi Emmett!

  Just a test to see if we've got this all correct. For others in this
  echo I'd like to say...Hey, sorry for the test but how do you think
  the Wright Brothers did it? <G> Thanks!

  Steve
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From: RUDY HEHN                              Number: 2349
  To: RICK ROSINSKI                            Date: 01/23/94 10:00p
Subj: Apogee files, etc.                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I've seen some messages here previously saying that they didn't like
-> the Apogee, Software Creations, etc. files that came down.  Thought
-> I'd let you know that *I* did appreciate them coming in, and that I
-> hope you continue to add extra files like this.

I appreciated them too but I lost all the stuff on that drive when I
installed Stacker. It's too bad Boyd couldn't send them again. <g>
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From: MAURO INCROCCI                         Number: 2350
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/23/94  8:10a
Subj: New net addition                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd, I'm new to this echo.  I was wondering what the procedure would be to
have a new net placed (request to be placed) in the system?  There is a new net
forming, Stormnet (not weather related) and they are expanding into Canada now.
 Thanks for any help.

Mauro
=-=-=

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2351
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 01/21/94  5:22p
Subj: PSORT                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Wallace Sheldon babbled profusely in a message to Jason Fesler:


 JF> I'm missing something; are you running gateway.exe
 JF> without dos4gw?  (gateway.exe explicitly looks for and
 JF> loads dos4gw in the stub).

 WS> My point is that I DON'T run gateway, and a .BAT file can be
 WS> used to kick OS/2 into a DOS session when the offending DOS
 WS> *.exe won't.

My appologies; I wrote two different things using the same extender.  Same
rules apply to PSORT (it looks for DOS4GW first).

 WS> Very happy to hear about PSRT coming with the ability read
 WS> the AREAS.BBS where it's located.  Keep up the good work.

No prob

Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: ART MACK                               Number: 2352
  To: MARTY DUPLISSEY                          Date: 01/24/94 11:24p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Marty!

In a message to All <01/22/94> Marty Duplissey wrote:

MD> Hello all!

MD> This is a test. Please respond


I hear you!!!!!! PING PING PING

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From: ART MACK                               Number: 2353
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/24/94 11:31p
Subj: USENET FEED                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!


I looked at the dates on the last Newsgroups sent and it was 1/22/94. I
was wondering when the feed will become steady so I can drop some of my
land line Newsgroups. Cant wait to see the phone bill drop.


                   Art



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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 2354
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 01/24/94  5:45p
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >      We run RA, too but haven't the on-line traffic or diskspace to
 > justify the whole load. A hudson messagebase's 200 area limit is also a
 > burden in the absence of a JAM tosser as stable as Gecho. Unless there
 > really is one out there already and I haven't found it yet, which is
 > entirely possible. You know of one?

Gecho 1.02+ works great! I have waited for this one on pins and needles as I
wanted t add more PC areas to my BBS.

You can pick it up from your reg site..

TTYL
      Laz

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From: DARREN HANSON                          Number: 2355
  To: WHOM IT MAY CONCERN                      Date: 01/24/94  8:48p
Subj: UseNet Newsgroups, BitNet Mailing Lists, Etc.  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am a member of Net 1:103 in Southern CA. We recently purchased a Planet
Connect system and have found its service for FIDO echomail and files to be as
close to perfect as could be desired once the configuration problems on our end
were cleared up.

What I am trying to find out, is what Internet features (UseNet newsgroups,
BitNet mailing lists, gated E-Mail to connected networks, etc) are now, or will
be, supported. And what the costs are now, or are expected to be.

Any definitive information will be greatly appreciated!
__
\/ dj

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From: DARREN HANSON                          Number: 2356
  To: WHOM IT MAY CONCERN                      Date: 01/24/94  8:52p
Subj: Adding Networks To Planet Connect       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Me again. I'm putting these in seperate messages to help keep the threads
straight....

I am a member of a couple of smaller networks. What would "proper" procedure be
to go about possibly adding an addition network to the PC feed? What security
measures could be provided to limit distribution of the echos? What can be done
to prevent a system connected directly to PC from posting into an echo that
they have been banned from by the moderator?

Any definitive information is apreciated!
__
\/ dj

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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 2357
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/24/94  2:16p
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GV> Then remember to run MAKECFG.EXE to create a new CONFIG.SKY


GV> Regards,
GV> George Vandervort

Thanks George, I "stumbled" on it after trying a few different ways..

-Joe
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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 2358
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 01/24/94  2:17p
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DW> Any of the specified areas that you have in your config file can be
DW> redirected to the NUL device rather than to any area on your disk
DW> drive. See previous posts in PCSITES or drop me a note there and I'll

Thanks Dan, I have it going to NUL now..

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 2359
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 01/24/94 10:55p
Subj: NOTICE!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >> Hmmm....I missed any reference to the genealogy echo being
 >> chopped. Which echo was that....?
 >
 > I don't remember the exact tag, but it appeared to be a French
 > genealogy echo if I recall. It was in the list Boyd posted showing
 > the "undesirables" :-) and was tagged something like Genealogy.fr??

Hi Glenn,

I think you are referring to the FM-GENEALOGIE echo. It originates from
Montreal and is gated into WGA (I believe). However, I've had a local feed for
this one for over two years. It helps to be right on the border...

Regards

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2360
  To: MARTY DUPLISSEY                          Date: 01/24/94 11:17a
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hello all!
->
-> This is a test. Please respond
->


it worked, Marty.....

cheers...

Bill...


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From: ANONYMOUS                              Number: 2361
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 01/23/94 11:15p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 22 Jan 94  22:19:00, Dave Petrucci muttered something to Tom Haav
DP>        Dupes are also another problem that many have been ignoring.
DP>        Most of the current/newer echomail tossing program, ie..
DP>        GEcho, FastEcho, Squish, can't keep track of any more than
DP>        64k to 128k of messages.  With the total echomail traffic in
DP>        Fido nowadays, it doesn't take long for that threshold to be
DP>        reached.  The old reliable ConfMail is capable of keeping track

Agreed this is a big problem.  I was using FMail (whose dupe checking is
totally inadequate) as a registered user but the volume coming off the dish is
so high that I switched to FastEcho.  It supports more than the 512 areas that
Fmail did and will dupe check up to the last 131000 (yes, that is one hundred
thirty one thousand) messages.  This ought to be enough, even with the high
traffic of fido.

Eric
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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2362
  To: MARTY DUPLISSEY                          Date: 01/24/94  9:27p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Marty!

In a message to All <01/22/94> Marty Duplissey wrote:

MD> Hello all!

MD> This is a test. Please respond


MD> Marty

Your test got here in TN just fine.
Joe

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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 2363
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 01/24/94 10:22p
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill,

 >      We run RA, too but haven't the on-line traffic or
 > diskspace to justify the whole load. A hudson messagebase's
 > 200 area limit is also a burden in the absence of a JAM
 > tosser as stable as Gecho. Unless there really is one out
 > there already and I haven't found it yet, which is entirely
 > possible. You know of one?

The JAM'able GEcho has been out for a short while now...
Works GREAT!

John

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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 2364
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 01/25/94 12:04a
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > burden in the absence of a JAM tosser as stable as Gecho. Unless there
 > really is one out there already and I haven't found it yet, which is
 > entirely possible. You know of one?

I'm experimenting with Xmail right now.  I don't think it's going to work out.
I'm fixing to switch to Fastecho and see if that will work for me.

I'll keep you posted along with all the kludges that I have to use to get a
system like this running with a combo of Fmail (for the hub capabilities) and
Fastecho (for the JAM capability)

 >      I assume there are a lot of smaller, well run systems like ours out
 > there scratching by on a shoestring and a prayer, folks who would love
 > nothing better than to give their users the same easy access they enjoy.
 > Whether they're a dish downlink or not.

For our area, we are a big bbs with 2 lines and a gig of files. For some, that
is NOTHING.  It depends how easy you make your system to use :)

See ya                                                            todd

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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 2365
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/24/94 11:39a
Subj: How In The World...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> John Lundell babbled profusely in a message to All:

is this normal in your replies??  Not realy tactfull but oh well... I can do
that too I guess! ;-)

Jason Fesler thought he knew it all in a message to ME:

-> As to _where_ to get this information:  Start watching news.answers and
-> news.lists; they usually every couple of weeks get an updated list posted
-> there, along with the moderators of the newsgorups.  news.lists will be the
-> easier place to find this information.

what you don't realize is that we are NOT currently getting everything from the
usenet - so unless someone has confidence that we will get exactly the same as
one of the above mentioned lists then we need a different one - one that
matches what PC is sending accross.. what good would it do to import a list as
you mentioned above (which I got right away I might add) and have 7500
conferences set up on a BBS with only 1500 being used?  I personally don't want
that - so I solved the problem and used the list I got from the Internet and
the PCUSENET.TXT and compared the two and made my own... I'm not waiting around
for months until someone does it right...

I did hear that there were PCBoard BBS's just importing PCUSENET.TXT into
PCBuuCP or uuPCB - I hope they understand what a moderated newsgroup is and
what will happen later on by not having the proper settings for them....

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2366
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 01/25/94  5:08p
Subj: Support Problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Monday January 24 1994 01:23, Patty Pickett wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 PP>
 >> First off who is Dan?
 PP>
 PP>     Dan is the same gentleman that we've spoken with on several occasions
 PP> now, Boyd, and the same gentleman who took our credit card information
 PP> over the phone, updated our registration code and advised us of the
 PP> weather related problems last weekend when we called to see if that was
 PP> what had occurred when the satellite feed was down for a bit.    I have
 PP> slight hearing loss in the low range so it's possible that I misunderstood
 PP> his name if he has a low voice, but Remus understood his name to be Dan
 PP> also.

Hi Patty!

Hmmm..
hey maybe "Dan" was the Cleaning Lady <ahh Err Custodial Person> ? <Grin>



Regards,
George Vandervort
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From: DEWAYNE COX                            Number: 2367
  To: MARTY DUPLISSEY                          Date: 01/24/94  2:24p
Subj: test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hello all!

 > This is a test. Please respond
This is a test responce.

Dewayne

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From: RUDY HEHN                              Number: 2368
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/24/94  9:59p
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    Well just got the list in and will be lokinng it over. I have one
-> going overtoday called PCUSENET.TXT that contains a list of the ones
-> we have going over now. It will start toi increase even more as the
-> days go by.The PC software will receive them in the USENET directory.

Boyd, instead of updating the list, can we have a separate 'diff' list
too, with just the new additions, something like Fido's nodediff?
PCBUUCP creates the areas on my board by reading in a list I specify. I
already fed it pcusenet.txt so if you just add the new ones to the list,
it's going to be very time-consuming to go in and pick out the new ones
and just feed it those. If you can create a separate list for those of
using automatic conference generators, you'd make us very happy.

-> At Present we are not set up to allow return on the Usenet. I have to
-> check and see what kind of administative nightmare this will be.

If it's going to be factored into the cost of the usenet feed, I'd say
"Don't do it". Many of us already have our own uucp feeds and don't want
to pay somebody else's way. We just want the newsgroups at the cheapest
possible price.
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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2369
  To: ALL!                                     Date: 01/26/94  1:05a
Subj: Usenet returns.                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


   Who ever is returning usenet feeds via fido to here better stop it.


...Boyd

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From: TYE HAMMERLE                           Number: 2370
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 01/24/94  4:51p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jeff!

18 Jan 94 09:29, Jeff Olesen wrote to Wallace Sheldon:

 JO> Nope. YOU have a problem. The rest of us (as Boyd stated) are
 JO> satisfied with things the way they are. Big clumps of files
 JO> without .TIC's are a problem. But I'd rather have them than not,
 JO> and it's unfair to expect Boyd to sit down and describe these

Speak for yourself.  If they're gonna do something they oughta do it right, not
half-assed. Make a little *.TIC to go with the file.  If it's not good enough a
file to do that then maybe it doesn't warrant the effort of sending it.  What's
gonna happen when everybody at PC sends his favorite bunch of files down the
pike? We're gonna be swamped.

Tye

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From: JAMES MCORMOND                         Number: 2371
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 01/21/94  2:01p
Subj: Re: Ad (author Direct) fdn              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of Tu 18-Jan-94 04:34, Rick Ashworth wrote:

 RA> Richard Holler of the AD- file areas has restrictions to
 RA> PCSITES only for any of those file areas.  Since many systems
 RA> run MO hubs, that means the AD- areas are never seen by
 RA> anyone but the PCSITE owner.  Real smart.

Ugh.   No kidding.  This guy was kidding right?!?! :-)


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From: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                    Number: 2372
  To: MARTY DUPLISSEY                          Date: 01/24/94 11:28p
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 01-22-94  18:52, Marty Duplissey munched on a Tribble and said to
 all about test

 MD> Hello all!
 MD> This is a test. Please respond

Finally downloaded the mail and got around to reading it now. (Time in
header above.) Looks like you're getting out just fine.

                                         -=<-Katherine->=-



... Nobody notices when things go right.
~~~ Blue Wave/RA v2.05

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2373
  To: ANONYMOUS                                Date: 01/26/94  1:34a
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >DP>        Dupes are also another problem that many have been ignoring.
 >DP>        Most of the current/newer echomail tossing program, ie..
 >DP>        GEcho, FastEcho, Squish, can't keep track of any more than

 >Agreed this is a big problem.  I was using FMail (whose dupe checking is
 >totally inadequate) as a registered user but the volume coming off the dish
 >is so high that I switched to FastEcho.  It supports more than the 512 areas
 >that Fmail did and will dupe check up to the last 131000 (yes, that is one
 >hundred thirty one thousand) messages.  This ought to be enough, even with
 >the high traffic of fido.
 >Eric

Eric,
       Your coming thru as "ANONYMOUS".

       I too have switched over to FastEcho for the same reason...
       But in the last 13 days I have processed over 213,000 messages..
       So dupes can now start to sneak by if they're older than 13 days. Dave
P.

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From: PAUL MALLETT                           Number: 2374
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 01/25/94  6:14p
Subj: Re: New Here                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


JH> Yeah...and the flood of OS/2 files coming down is a pain to
JH> sort through also.

Well, I suppose it depends on your perspective.  Personally, I'd be happy if
every file that came down the pipe was for OS/2. ;> The Fernwood OS/2 filenet
areas are one of the main reasons I got involved with Planet Connect in the
first place. As we're finding out in this area, everyone is interested in this
thing for different reasons. It makes for some excited and energetic sysops.

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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 2375
  To: MARTY DUPLISSEY                          Date: 01/26/94  1:27a
Subj: Re: test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Marty Duplissey to all ***

MD> Hello all!
MD>
MD> This is a test. Please respond
MD> Marty
MD>
MD> --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1219
MD>  * Origin: Marty's Mess OS/2 Longview,TX.903-643-7607 PVT
MD> (1:398/1)

Nope. Nothing coming through yet...keep trying.

Glenn

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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2376
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/25/94  4:41a
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <23 Jan 94  22:52:01>, Jim St. John (1:231/285) writes:

 JS>-> So its going to be a different price for UseNet groups as well?
 JS>
 JS>Again, I got the impression when I talked to them that the details
 JS>hadn't been worked out but that usenet would probably be priced
 JS>separately from everything else, but no decision (at that time) as far
 JS>as pricing for customers that want it all.  Hopefully Boyd or someone
 JS>actually there may have an update for us.

The flier I got from PC indicates that UseNet Newsgroups will be priced
separately.  The schedule looks to be the same as the others, i.e., 30-40
dollars a month.

Hope I get my equipment soon so I can get some of those transmissions before
they start charging...


Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2377
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 01/25/94  4:41a
Subj: SATELLITE DISH/PLANNET CONNECT          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <23 Jan 94  18:33:25>, Tracy Mickley (1:288/6) writes:

 TM>Yes there were/have been some changes since that was written in mid
 TM>December. They are now selling video equipment if you want TV also was
 TM>really the biggest change. When researching, I called on this item for
 TM>verification in writing the article and I got the confused guy that
 TM>always says 'sir' at the end of every sentence. Polite enough but I've
 TM>learned to ask for Boyd or Jerry since then if he answers. PC's biggest
 TM>issue with the article was that they all had to go out and buy new
 TM>crayons for the installation doc's. <chuckle>

My compliments on an excellent article, Tracy.  It moved me to call and order a
system.

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2378
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 01/22/94 12:43p
Subj: Notice!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >        Glenn, I didn't mean to come across as not wanting them,
 > it would only be nice to know what they are, particularly if

Good point :-) I'm not sure what the solution might be other than trying to
encourage everyone to use the Elist. Most of them are admin echos for file
distribution networks, but that would not be obvious to someone new at the
game.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2379
  To: TOM HAAVISTO                             Date: 01/22/94 12:48p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > What I would *personally* like to see is every NEC run GMD, and

NOT. You say you get a lot of grunged messages and they cause your system to
"hiccup." Please explain. I have yet to have mail of any kind cause a problem
on my system. So you delete what can't make it into your message base and leave
the rest of us to worry about our own systems.

This trend of supposed mail movers to become mail deleters is disturbing in the
extreme. So quit encouraging them.

 > When I first started running it, I was simply AMAZED at some of
 > these messages (and how far out of spec they are).  Now, I just

And before you ran it, those messages passed into your system just fine, didn't
they? Now are you deleting them?

 > in the backround, and since I am only looking after my own feed,

Thank goodness for that!

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 2380
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 01/24/94  1:54p
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 DW> like Waffle to get full compatibility. Using Fredgate
 DW> (I can vouch for this one) or GIGO (sounds like it's a
 DW> good program but I've not tried it) you can utilize
 DW> your own FTN mailer as these packages just convert the
I was looking at uugate for OS/2 but could not get it to toss the .bag type
files. I did try gigo and it is impressive. Too bad they don't have an OS/2
version. At least the DOS version works well under OS/2. If they ever get it
into OS/2 then I will certainly register it.

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 2381
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/24/94  9:31p
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I would just like to make a few comments about your service and setup - these
are just suggestions - and to the positive I hope - Please read...
I have been looking at the usenet news groups that you send across the bird. I
received the pcusenet.txt and the text (cannot recall the name on how much you
were going to charge for usenet connections). I proceeded to setup the usenet
groups on my PC - a quick rexx script and away they went - all 15000 or was
that 150000 messages - anyway to change them into something that I (my tosser)
could understand it took me a week of searching to find something that would
convert them to a format that could be tossed - GIGO wins the prize - it took
one half an hour for GIGO to change them to packet format - then away I went
tossing them - six hours later - vowala or however the French say it - anyway
by the time they were up on the board to read they were ancient history. So -
of course being a computer nerd for the past 30 years I called on the services
of pktsort - ran it in the squish subdirectory once I moved the .pkt's over -
this took half an hour then only 45 minutes to toss (now this is getting
reasonable I said to myself. Anyway....
MY POINT IS!!!! - Since you are feeding mostly Fidonet styled people at this
point in time and I assume you are hoping that we will cough up additional
funds each month for usenet messages - would it not be in your best interest to
do some of this front end processing yourself before the info goes on the BIG
BIRD. I think that if this was done then more people would consider paying for
these services - right now I pay 50 dollars a year for all the newsgroups that
I want, since I live close to a non - long distance calling site. Anyway just
my opinion on value added service.... Replies most welcome.-> Dave
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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2382
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 01/25/94  5:02p
Subj: NOTICE!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I think you are referring to the FM-GENEALOGIE echo. It

That would be it Chris :-)

 > originates from Montreal and is gated into WGA (I believe).

Is WGA on the bird? I seem to recall seeing a WGAMail file at some point. If it
is that would be a real bonus to a couple of my users who are serious
genealogical hobbiests.

.glenn.

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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2383
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/26/94  1:30a
Subj: PSORT                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Jason,

21 Jan 94, 17:22, Jason Fesler wrote to Wallace Sheldon:

 WS>> Very happy to hear about PSRT coming with the ability read
 WS>> the AREAS.BBS where it's located.  Keep up the good work.

 JF> No prob

One more question?  Is it necessary to write everything to one file?  I could
understand if it was able to read in all packets and then sort but this doesn't
work for me.  How about just sorting each packet?


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From: JAMES MCORMOND                         Number: 2384
  To: DAN COOK                                 Date: 01/24/94  7:52p
Subj: Re: automated & standardized area requesting  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of Su 23-Jan-94 01:56, Dan Cook wrote:

 DC>  BW>      Trouble is, SEAL apparently won't recognize
 DC>  BW> same-zone AKAs (aka 3615/51), and it's author
 DC>  BW> responds to neither netmail, nor unsolicited cash.
 DC>
 DC> The author does respond to messages in the FidoNet TUB echo.

I also forwarded that message to him in Netmail as its local to my system.

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From: JAMES MCORMOND                         Number: 2385
  To: DAN WILLIAMSON                           Date: 01/24/94 10:48p
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of Su 23-Jan-94 19:09, Dan Williamson wrote:

 DW> a good program but I've not tried it) you can utilize your
 DW> own FTN mailer as these packages just convert the newsgroup
 DW> to fidoecho and back as needed. That means you get Packets
 DW> that are tossed to new echos that correspond to your news.

I'm already running UseNet on my system and distribute to a number of other
systems in the area.  I'm just wondering if its actually a regular Cnews
batched message bundle, or if its some funky format.


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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 2386
  To: MAURO INCROCCI                           Date: 01/25/94  8:38p
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mauro Incrocci wrote in a message to Gary Hedberg:

 > If it will keep those pesky WWIVnet messages out of
 > Fido (because of
 > non-compliant headers etc) I'm all for it.

MI> Do you know if GMD does detect these?  Does anyone else?  I
MI> will be running GMD soon so my Net will be clean.  Later and
MI> thanks for the feedback.

GMD will detect basically whatever you tell it to. It is an incredible program.
I use it here. The thing you need to be aware of is that what we call garbage
on an IBM based system, may not be the case to another platform. Some of the
"High Ascii" codes are needed for blind people so that the mail can be read for
them by their equiptment. But guess what? I don't care, if it's gonna choke my
tosser, I delete the message!

                          Cheers,
                                     Robert
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From: AL HAYS                                Number: 2387
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/26/94 12:40p
Subj: UPLD.LST Checker                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I really don't know squat about the in's and out's of the PC technical stuff,
but out Net has purchased a system via our CRP.  Our PC site has expressed a
bit of dismay in that the PC software changed to exit at the end of the
transmission "cycle" regardless whether all files are received and/or
error-free. I have written a small utility that checks the UPLD.LST against all
of his inbound directories and exits with an errorlev based on the findings.
Should anyone else find this handy, it is requestable here as UPCHK04B.ZIP -
12k.

An explanation from the docs:

UPCHECK ver .04ß

Checks a list of directories contained in UPCHECK.CFG for files listed
in a filelist.  This is a very simple program.  If you are capable of
running a Planet Connect system, you should have no problem figuring out
how to use UPCHECK.

This archive should contain the following files:

UPCHECK.EXE - The excutable file
UPCHECK.CFG - An Example configuration file
UP.BAT      - An example batchfile
UPCHECK.DOC - This File


UPCHECK.CFG - ASCII Textfile
              Must reside in the directory where UPCHECK.EXE was executed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Keywords:    @UPLIST - The FULL PATH and name of the list of FileNames.  For
                       Planet connect this would be <drive>\<path>\UPLD.LST.
                       ONLY ONE UPLIST KEYWORD MAY BE USED!

                       i.e.  @UPLIST  D:\PC\UPLOAD.LST

             @INPATH - The name of an inbound directory.  Many directories
                       may be listed but each one must appear on a seperate
                       line and be proceeded by the @INPATH keyword.

             @IGNORE - any acceptable DOS Filename (wildcards accepted).
                       UPCHECK will ignore this file when checking the
                       @UPLIST.  i.e. if you do not care if QWK packets
                       are received, and all QWK packets are named *.Q??
                       then the config line  "@IGNORE *.Q??" would cause
                       UPCHECK to continue whether the file existed or not.

All Keywords must begin in Column 1.  White space between the keyword and the
parameter is ignored. Keywords and/or parameters are not case sensitive.
Trailing backslashes for directories will be appended if not listed.  All
MISSING and IGNORED files are logged in UPCHECK.LOG for later inspection.


Upon completion, UPCHECK exits with the following ERRORLEVELS
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

0 - All files in @UPLIST found (or ignored)
1 - Error reading UPCHECK.CFG
2 - Error reading @UPLIST
3 - One or more files in @UPLIST were not located
4 - Error creating or writing to UPCHECK.LOG
5 - @UPLIST name in UPCHECK.CFG not found or bogus

Regards All,

Al Hays

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2388
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/26/94  3:13p
Subj: Skymail                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

--> Note:
Forwarded (from: PCSITES) by Greg Shaffer using timEd.
Original was from Greg Shaffer to All.

Hello All!

Those of you running Skymail to process the PC stuff will probably notice a
slight bug that showed up today.

If the UPLD.LST has blank lines in it then Skymail thinks some files were not
recieved. Todays UPLD.LST had 12 blank lines at the bottom and I got caught
with it. Simply edit the UPLD.LST with your favorite text editor and remove ALL
the blank lines and then re-run your batchfile.

I have have notified the author (Ed Ivey) and a fix will be forthcoming in a
day or two. I will send it to Boyd for hatching out thru PC.

[e-mail]

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From: GARY HEDBERG                           Number: 2389
  To: MAURO INCROCCI                           Date: 01/26/94  9:53p
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-* Do you know if GMD does detect these?  Does anyone else?  I will be
-* running GMD soon so my Net will be clean.  Later and thanks for the
-* feedback.

Don't have the faintest idea....


Gary

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From: JACK WINSLADE                          Number: 2390
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 01/26/94 11:24p
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <24 Jan 94 21:31:32>, Dave Sloan (1:348/105) writes:

 >MY POINT IS!!!! - Since you are feeding mostly Fidonet styled people at
 >this point in time and I assume you are hoping that we will cough up
 >additional funds each month for usenet messages - would it not be in your
 >best interest to do some of this front end processing yourself before the
 >info goes on the BIG BIRD.

That would effectively kill us and a number of others who are thinking of
signing up.  We and others process Usenet using the standard c-news package
which takes the .bag files quite easily, as do the usenet->fido processors.
Every usenet->fido processor I've seen bastardizes the newsgroup names in one
way or another and screws with the headers.

It's a lot easier to convert usenet->fido than it is to convert the converted
stuff back to RFC-1036 format.

Good day      JSW


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From: JACK WINSLADE                          Number: 2391
  To: BOYD, & WHO KNOWS                        Date: 01/26/94 11:29p
Subj: Usenet cutover date ??                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Could you give us an approximate date (or a general range, such as days,
weeks, months) when the Usenet feed will be complete and consistent ??

We have to cut over the landline feeds, and I am hesitant to request new
groups when our people want them, only to have to make another change just
after.

Any idea of a time frame would be appreciated.

Thanks    Good day     JSW


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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 2392
  To: RICHARD REED                             Date: 01/20/94  6:09p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > This is a test... Hooked up the dish 2 weeks ago, and
 > ready to send mails back into PC... Let me know if
 > anyone is gettting this message out!!

 > Thank
 > Richard

 > --- QM v1.26/b
 >  * Origin: Planet Systems Inc. Newport Tn. (1:3615/50)

Yeah, but your using the wrong node address, in your orgin
line.  From your PID, your true fido address is 275/81.

Bill

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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2393
  To: TED SORRELLS                             Date: 01/20/94  9:49a
Subj: all the hubbub....                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <19 Jan 94  20:47:45>, Ted Sorrells (1:130/67) writes:

 TS>Where may I FREQ info regarding Planet_Connect and a layman's
 TS>description of what it's all about.  I'm interested in this high-tech
 TS>new twist on BBS communication.

I found a file on the local BBSs here called PCINFO.  You might scan your local
BBSs for that file.

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2394
  To: BOB ROSS                                 Date: 01/21/94 12:54p
Subj: Re: Tic's                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I'm quite sure I could do a dissertation on this subject Boyd.  It's a
> "fact of life" when you provide services to a group of individuals of our
> food chain :-).

   Since this is the first time that I have any contack with dealing in a
business I am learning fast!


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2395
  To: JOE PATTERSON                            Date: 01/21/94 12:58p
Subj: Re: Phone Number                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd, does PC have a 800 number or what is a voice number I can call to
> talk to a sales person.
> Thanks..

   Sorry no 800 number.

> P.S. I sent you net mail requesting the info packet your sales people
> send out.
> last week. Acknowledgment would be nice. :{)

   Well it is hard to handle things netmail. If you want an info pack you have
a better chance getting one if you call 615-623-8300.


...Boyd

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2396
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/21/94  4:35p
Subj: NODEDIFF.A21 is BAD                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

=============================================================================
* Forwarded by George Vandervort's Gerbils (1:382/8)
* Area : NET382-SYSOP
* From : George Vandervort, 1:382/8 (Friday January 21 1994 16:28)
* To   : All
* Subj : NODEDIFF.A21 is BAD
=============================================================================

Hello All!
for those who ran NODEDIFF.A21 and can't find me in the Nodelist..


NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE - NOTICE

This weeks NODEDIFF.A21 is BAD..

if you run this Nodediff.021 about 2/3rd of NET382 will be MISSING...

HUB 1000,2000,3000,6000,7000,9000,12000 and all of there Downlinks are missing
from the Nodelist.021

you must return to using NODELIST.014, untill this bug is ixed next week?

Regards,
George Vandervort - NEC Net382
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Regards,
George Vandervort
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From: RICK ROSINSKI                          Number: 2397
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/10/94  7:40p
Subj: Apogee files, etc.                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,

I've seen some messages here previously saying that they didn't like the
Apogee, Software Creations, etc. files that came down.  Thought I'd let you
know that *I* did appreciate them coming in, and that I hope you continue to
add extra files like this.

Thanks,

Rick

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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 2398
  To: JIM ST. JOHN                             Date: 01/21/94  7:51a
Subj: question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jim!

In a message to Bill Roper <01/19/94> Jim St. John wrote:

JS>   Bill I'm still confused as to exactly what GECHO does.  Does it sort
JS> the packets so that WIldmail can toss them faster?

Gecho is a mail toss like WildMail/GoMail but is not for Wildcat so it
has none of the Btrieve routines that slow down the Wildcat Tossers.

Tom

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From: SEBASTIAN ACOSTA                       Number: 2399
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 01/21/94  6:22p
Subj: New Here                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > SA> Boy its about time!  I thought you would never do it, been
 > SA> reading your posts in the TVRO echo for a long time now.  Glad
 > SA> you are here, I'm an 'old timer' here, been hooked up for a
 > SA> couple months now.

 > :-)  This is really GREAT!  Heck, I've been hooking up
 > digital data
 > systems for quite a few years now for EDS, GM, HUGHES, etc.,
 > and I never
 > realized the need for us SysOps until I got my own PC system!

Yep, the only problem so far is the tremendous amount of messages/files etc
that we are getting.  There just aren't enough hours in the day to go through
all this stuff!

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From: JOSEPH NOVAK                           Number: 2400
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/21/94  3:38p
Subj: Re: OS/2                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to Frank Scheel:

> Does that mean that we can reasonably expect to see it work in an OS2
> environment? If so, has the company given you any idea of when this might
> happen?
> Later,
> <_Frank_>
 BG>
 BG>    depends on how willing IBM is towards working with Aztec
 BG> on a solution.
 BG> ...Boyd

Are you saying that Aztec did finally contacted IBM and is trying to work
on the solution?
Anybody interested can call the OS/2 help line and ask for the specialist from
the printer group. You will get breakdown on which company is trying to solve
the problem with the parallel port software locks, and which ones do work.
When I called, AZTEC was not one of them.
Boyd, I know bussiness is good. But it's about time to do something
about this- I have better use for an extra computer. Why don't you switch
to another company?
And sorry, Desqview just doesn't cut it for me.
Joseph Novak

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2401
  To: JOE HAYES                                Date: 01/23/94  4:40p
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No


Tuesday January 18 1994 17:02, Joe Hayes wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 BG>> Well just got the list in and will be lokinng it over. I have one
 BG>> going overtoday called PCUSENET.TXT that contains a list of the ones
 BG>> we have going over now. It will start toi increase even more as the
 BG>> days go by.The PC software will receive them in the USENET directory.
 BG>> At Present we are not set up to allow return on the Usenet. I have to
 BG>> check andsee what kind of administative nightmare this will be.
 JH>
 JH>
 BG>> ...Boyd
 JH>
 JH> Is there a way I can shut this off Boyd?
 JH> I don't want the pcusernet now, and doubt that I ever will.
 JH>
 JH> -Joe
 JH> * SPITFIRE v3.4
 JH> -+- FreeMail 1.10 alpha-3
 JH>  + Origin: The Outer-Limits/Planet Connect System [phone]
 JH> (1:2290/70)

Hello Joe!

Here a tip that should work...

in your ACONFIG.SKY

line 11 NEWSGRP Change the Destination to NUL

#         net  grp  usr    major minor topic type    destination        limit
:rulebase, *,   1,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\SKYINFO/,   *
:rulebase, *,   2,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA/,           *
:rulebase, *,   3,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA/UPDATES/,   *
:rulebase, *,   4,   _SKYID, *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\PERSONAL/,  *
:rulebase, *,   5,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\PLANETC\FIDO/,      *
:rulebase, *,   6,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\WEATHER/,   *
:rulebase, *,   7,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\TV/,        *
:rulebase, *,   8,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\CRS/,       *
:rulebase, *,   9,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\RIME/,      *
:rulebase, *,  10,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, C:\SKYDATA\ROSENET/,   *
:rulebase, *,  11,   *,      *,    *,    *,  disk, NUL/,                  *

Then remember to run MAKECFG.EXE to create a new CONFIG.SKY


Regards,
George Vandervort
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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 2402
  To: CRAIG CLARK                              Date: 01/23/94  7:01a
Subj: Re: Sorting                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Craig Clark wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

CC> the pinouts are in the back.  You can't use a standard

Thanks Ken, will pull out the manual and check.

                          Cheers,
                                     Robert
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From: MAURO INCROCCI                         Number: 2403
  To: GARY HEDBERG                             Date: 01/24/94 12:55p
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > If it will keep those pesky WWIVnet messages out of
 > Fido (because of
 > non-compliant headers etc) I'm all for it.

Do you know if GMD does detect these?  Does anyone else?  I will be running GMD
soon so my Net will be clean.  Later and thanks for the feedback.

Mauro
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From: MAURO INCROCCI                         Number: 2404
  To: TOM HAAVISTO                             Date: 01/24/94 12:53p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > I don't know how others feel about this issue, but
 > these grunged messages were
 > causing my mail tosser to hiccup, and generate NEW
 > (grunged) outgoing
 > messages.
What tosser are you using?  I'm glad to hear that GM's are a problem for
systems.  Makes my decision to run GMD that much easier.  Before you, it was a
mythical problem with no victims.

 > What I would *personally* like to see is every NEC run
 > GMD, and send these
 > complaint messages BACK to the nodes under it, but NOT
 > send complaint messages
 > elsewhere to the net.
I will be running GMD once I notify all the systems that it may affect.  Thanks
for your feedback.

Mauro
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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2405
  To: GILL BLUE                                Date: 01/24/94  4:57p
Subj: Help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Sunday January 23 1994 08:38, Gill Blue wrote to All:

 GB> Hello
 GB>  I have a couple of questions. I am running Remote Access and Frontdoor
 GB> here with Planet Connect. How do I get the Rosenet and pcusnet and all of
 GB> the other stuff tossed. I dont have a problem with Fido. I am using Fmail
 GB> for a Toss. I know I need some other utilities to handle these other areas
 GB> but I dont know what.. Thanks for any help.. Gill Blue
 GB> -+- FMail 0.94
 GB>  + Origin: The Multimedia Connection Opp,Al [phone] 1:18/16
 GB> (1:18/16)

Hello Gill!

Not shure about RoseNET, but PCUSENET, will probably need a UUCP<-> FIDO Mail
rocessor like FREDGATE, WAFFLE or GIGO..

I have FRED19q.ZIP (FredGate Beta 1.9Q) and GIGO0114.ZIP (v0.114) available for
freq or Download..


Regards,
George Vandervort
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From: MIKE ATKINSON                          Number: 2406
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 01/24/94  8:02a
Subj: Administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> just give all of the echos to your users and let them download
-> fidonet.na, and figure out what they want.

For the first week or so I was trying to move the filebone stuff into my
already configured directories and it was going to become a real pain.

I did just what you suggest.  I set up a file area for each network that
I'm posting (an SDN area, Crafting area, etc.)  Then the filebone.na is
copied to a bulletin and also available for downloading.  The TIC
processor I'm using adds a line to the description with the specific
area name.  The callers seem satisfied with this setup and the posting
is 99.9% automated without having a real complicated setup..

Mike

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2407
  To: TYE HAMMERLE                             Date: 01/26/94  4:53p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


Monday January 24 1994 16:51, Tye Hammerle wrote to Jeff Olesen:

 TH> Hello Jeff!
 TH>
 TH> 18 Jan 94 09:29, Jeff Olesen wrote to Wallace Sheldon:
 TH>
 JO>> Nope. YOU have a problem. The rest of us (as Boyd stated) are
 JO>> satisfied with things the way they are. Big clumps of files
 JO>> without .TIC's are a problem. But I'd rather have them than not,
 JO>> and it's unfair to expect Boyd to sit down and describe these
 TH>
 TH> Speak for yourself.  If they're gonna do something they oughta do it
 TH> right, not half-assed. Make a little *.TIC to go with the file.  If it's
 TH> not good enough a file to do that then maybe it doesn't warrant the effort
 TH> of sending it.  What's gonna happen when everybody at PC sends his
 TH> favorite bunch of files down the pike? We're gonna be swamped. Tye -+-
 TH> FMail 0.96g+ + Origin: Leak Path BBS, San Diego CA [phone]/1713
 TH> (1:202/1002)

Hello Tye!

I have a niffty utility called DIZ2BBS.ZIP that works great with most of the
files that came in without  *.TIC
But If your using NodeDiff.021 then you wil have to wait till NodeDiff.028
to Poll me as Most of my Net got removed from the *.021 Nodelist by mistake,
or you can Poll the Author at 1:3625/441


                           D I Z  2  B B S

                             written by:

                             Terry Blount

                            File request
                            Diz2bbs.zip
                           from 1:3625/441

Purpose:
        Diz2bbs.exe was written to extract File_id.diz  text  from
    .Zip Archives and build a Files.bbs listing  for a  bbs.  This
    is useful when descriptions are  missing  or  .TIC  files  are
    lost or unavailable.

Usage:
        Execute Diz2bbs.exe  from  the  directory  with  the  .zip
    files you don't have  descriptions  for.   The  work  will  be
    saved to a file named  File.bbs  to  prevent  overwriting  any
    pre-existing FileS.bbs.   The  file  size  and  date  will  be
    included.

Limitations:
        If there is no File_id.diz in the archive  the  file  name
    will be listed  in  the  File.bbs  text  but  the  description
    field will be left blank. The format for  the  File.bbs  is  a
    single, 256  character,  limitation.    This  means  that  the
    entire  File_id.diz  text  will  not  be  included...  so  the
    author is limited to describe his program in  250  characters.
     The  description  is  truncated  between  words  rather  than
    simply cutting it in the  middle  of a  word.  Diz2bbs  cannot
    identify bbs ads that have been inserted/  included  with  the
    File_id text... I suggest  we  kill  anyone  doing  this.  <g>

    At this time  Arj  (and  SDN)  compression  is  not  supported
    because I can't  figure  out  how  to  get  the  name  of  the
    archive the the File_id.diz came out  of  to  be  included  in
    the ascii text file the  descriptions  are  built  from.   The
    file  name  is  echoed  to   the  screen  with  the  following
    command:

    Arj s -y * *.diz

    HOWEVER  the command " Arj s -y *  *.diz    >>  work  "   does
    not save the name of  the  file  to  "Work"     I  had  always
    thought that anything shown on the screen  could  be  directed
    to a file name with ">" or ">>"     Since  the  file  name  is
    not saved (in the work file) there is no  way  to  figure  out
    which archive the description belongs to. If you know  of  how
    to resolve this problem let me know.

Registration:
         No  donations/fees/begging  is  requested  for  the  non-
    commercial use of this utility as long  as  you  understand  I
    am not responsible.  If you intend to  use  this  program  for
    commercial gain please  notify  me  first  and  consider  some
    form of compensation.

                               Enjoy!

                            Terry Blount



Regards,
George Vandervort
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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2408
  To: GILL BLUE                                Date: 01/26/94  9:02p
Subj: TEST                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Illegal logon test.
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From: JEFF BOWMAN                            Number: 2409
  To: BOYD GOODWIN                             Date: 01/26/94  9:47p
Subj: Pc                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Well, got the dish up and running.. and the software also..

I have alot of ?'s for you


1. Is there a way to change the amount of errors a file can receive
   before the software trashcans it.

2. Is there a list of Usenet groups you can send out

3. When are the lastest files and mail sent out

4. When a file receives just one error.. why does it trashcan it



When I think of more... you will here them :-)



<<sig.imp

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From: JOHN LUONG                             Number: 2410
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/26/94  6:13p
Subj: Help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of (24 Jan 94  16:57:57), George Vandervort wrote to Gill Blue:

GV> I have FRED19q.ZIP (FredGate Beta 1.9Q) and GIGO0114.ZIP (v0.114)
GV> available for freq or Download..
What is GIGO?  Does it do things like what FredMail does?  If it does, you can
put WaterGate in the same category...

John
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From: JOHN LUONG                             Number: 2411
  To: LEE BONNIFIELD                           Date: 01/26/94  6:16p
Subj: Satellite Dish/Planet Connect           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of (26 Jan 94  06:30:30), Lee Bonnifield wrote to John Luong:

LB> Gee I guess you still have not seen a simple answer here. Planet
LB> Connect broadcasts a 19,200 bit per second datastream from two
LB> satellites. In the C-band (like the typical big backyard dishes
LB> that receive lots of satellite TV channels) Planet Connect uses the
LB> satellite Galaxy 3, which is at 93.5 degrees West Longitude. In the
LB> Ku-band (using smaller dishes, typically 3 foot diameter) Planet
LB> Connect is transmitted on satellite Galaxy 4, at 99 degrees.
Yeah, I got a text file (SAT-1.FAQ) ... helped me figure out what OTHER
satellites they use.  (for instance, I got info. about SBS-6).

LB> The same company also transmits a 9600 bit per second datastream
LB> called Skylink, designed for people who like to CALL computer
LB> bulletin boards. (Planet Connect is designed for people who like to
LB> OPERATE BBSs.) Skylink is on two C-band satellites - Galaxy 3, and Galaxy
LB> 1 (at 133 degrees.)
Thank you for the information.  It is will probably be a big part of my paper
explaining the satellites themselves.  Do you happen to know what kind of
satellites they are (series, weight, # of transponders)...?  I hear SBS-6 is a
HS-393 and Galaxy VI is a HS-396.

John
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From: TODD LYONS                             Number: 2412
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/27/94  8:18a
Subj: Test messages.                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, can you assign the responsibility of ONE person to reply to test
messages.   There are usually 5 different people that respond to any
individual test message.  Tell them not to reply to test messages.  I enjoy
reading messages but not when every fifth one is a test or reply to a test.

See ya                                                            Todd

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From: JIM WARD                               Number: 2413
  To: BOYD                                     Date: 01/27/94  7:57a
Subj: Line Feeds                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

    The last couple of days the UPLD.LST has contained extra line feeds about
12 to 13 of them they are being picked up by SKYMAIL as missing files thusly
not allowing it to drop with proper error level to move files, I have been
going in with a word processor and removing them is there a fix for this??

Jim Ward

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2414
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 01/25/94  9:07a
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill Whitehouse babbled profusely in a message to Todd Lyons:


 BW>      We run RA, too but haven't the on-line traffic or
 BW> diskspace to justify the whole load. A hudson messagebase's
 BW> 200 area limit is also a burden in the absence of a JAM
 BW> tosser as stable as Gecho. Unless there really is one out
 BW> there already and I haven't found it yet, which is entirely
 BW> possible. You know of one?

PS:  Registered GECHO folks now have JAM.  Granted, it's not a public release,
it's like the early versions of gecho were before 1.00 - buy first, then get to
play.  I'd suggest finding someone who's actually using JAM, with Gecho, and
see how they like it.  (We only use it as a pass-through engine, because of
it's speed, then use Squish for the message bases).

Jason Fesler
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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2415
  To: JOHN PAUL                                Date: 01/25/94  9:09a
Subj: PSRT request?                           Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

John Paul babbled profusely in a message to Jason Fesler:


 JP>     Would it be possible next time you're doing anything
 JP> with PSRT to put a command line switch or some such in to
 JP> modify its display method so that it would just display on
 JP> whatever screen line it comes up instead of as explicit
 JP> screen positioning?

Sorry, takes too much recoding for one of those quick-n-dirty programs.
Besides, even if it did start out where it was on the screen to begin with, it
scrolls too much information that your original screen won't be there, within
the first couple of seconds of use - at least, that's what I get over here.



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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2416
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/25/94  3:57p
Subj: Help                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

George Vandervort babbled profusely in a message to Gill Blue:


 GV> Not shure about RoseNET, but PCUSENET, will probably need a
 GV> UUCP<-> FIDO Mail rocessor like FREDGATE, WAFFLE or GIGO..

 GV> I have FRED19q.ZIP (FredGate Beta 1.9Q) and GIGO0114.ZIP
 GV> (v0.114) available for freq or Download..

Some notes about GIGO:
   That's version 0.97, _dated_ 01-14-94.
   GIGO also requires a 386sx or better to run, no exceptions
   GIGO is _always_ available at 1:203/7707, magic name "GIGO",
      and is also available via internet anonymous ftp,
      at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/jfesler

Jason Fesler
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From: HAROLD CARLSON                         Number: 2417
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/27/94  4:30p
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 RH>GMD will detect basically whatever you tell it to. It is an
 RH>incredible program. I use it here. The thing you need to be
 RH>aware of is that what we call garbage on an IBM based
 RH>system, may not be the case to another platform. Some of the
 RH>"High Ascii" codes are needed for blind people so that the
 RH>mail can be read for them by their equiptment. But guess
 RH>what? I don't care, if it's gonna choke my tosser, I delete
 RH>the message!

 RH>                          Cheers,
 RH>                                     Robert

Well robert i hope that you dont go blind i have been working with some of
that equment and boy i give them more credit than most of my users. the
equment that is need for them is twice in cost than your system and i feel
that your tosser dosent choke on thier messages.
re 10 users here with  many diffent types of blind equment and both of my mail
tossers havn't  had any problem.

harold
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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2418
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/28/94 12:03a
Subj: New errorlevel drops.                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


   All I have added a new errorlevel of 101. To activate this please add 701=ON
in the INI file. This will allow you to exit just after the fidonet mail and
other networks are finished (including fileareas) and before the PCUSENET files
start to come. If you look at the UPLD.LST file you will notice that the
PCUSENET.* files are at the end of the list. This is the exact way that they
will come over the satellite. Now I dont know how some of the utilities like
Skymail and PCUTIL will handle this but it is about the best I can do on short
notice to seperate the regular stuff and the usenet stuff. Once I can find a
little bit more time I will work on seperating everything and have different
errorlevels for each network and the file areas. Also took care of the extra
lines in the UPLD.LST file.


...Boyd

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From: DAVE MILLER                            Number: 2419
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 01/27/94  9:23a
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 DS> will cough up additional funds each month for usenet
 DS> messages - would it not be in your best interest to do
 DS> some of this front end processing yourself before the
 DS> info goes on the BIG BIRD. I think that if this was

At this time maybe but I beleive that leaveing it in the native bag format
would be better in the long run.  The bag format can be directly processed by
those of us that run pure unix systems to toss the mail.  Also the majority not
all but the majority of systems hooked to the internet already use the bag
format.  Therefore you make it easy for these systems that already carry usenet
to switch over to a less expensive feed.




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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2420
  To: JEFF BOWMAN                              Date: 01/27/94 11:06a
Subj: Pc                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jeff Bowman wrote in a message to Boyd Goodwin:

JB> Hello Boyd!

JB> Well, got the dish up and running.. and the software also..

JB> I have alot of ?'s for you


JB> 1. Is there a way to change the amount of errors a file can
JB> receive    before the software trashcans it.

Nope.....

JB> 2. Is there a list of Usenet groups you can send out

I believe one comes in already.......check your directory for the usenet stuff.

JB> 3. When are the lastest files and mail sent out

They usually start a new day between 7 and 8 am

JB> 4. When a file receives just one error.. why does it
JB> trashcan it

Why would you want a corrupt file?.......Understand, there is NO error
correction with PC......its strictly a one way street.

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2421
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 01/27/94 11:09a
Subj: UPLD.LST Checker                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Al Hays wrote in a message to All:

AH> I really don't know squat about the in's and out's of the PC
AH> technical stuff, but out Net has purchased a system via our
AH> CRP.  Our PC site has expressed a bit of dismay in that the
AH> PC software changed to exit at the end of the transmission
AH> "cycle" regardless whether all files are received and/or
AH> error-free. I have written a small utility that checks the

I dont think anything 'changed' Al......I have been on PC since October of 93
and it has always exited at the end of a cycle......It was upto us to take the
appropriate action at that point. I had to think about it after getting your
netmail :)

[e-mail]

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From: ART MACK                               Number: 2422
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/27/94  9:39a
Subj: Internet address                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

I sent a few messages to you by Fido but no returns as yet (I think some
got lost due to the abort retry fail that the software sometimes gives
on the LAN when writing upld.lst). I have several questions:

1. What's your Internet address?
2. Can you retransmit PCUSENET.TXT file  ( I lost it!!)
3. Approximately what time of the day will you be transmitting USENET
grps and when will it become regular?


 Keep up the good work.

               Art

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From: ART MACK                               Number: 2423
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 01/27/94  9:39p
Subj: UPLD.LST Checker                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Al!

In a message to All <01/26/94> Al Hays wrote:

AH> I really don't know squat about the in's and out's of the PC technical st
AH> but out Net has purchased a system via our CRP.  Our PC site has expresse
AH> bit of dismay in that the PC software changed to exit at the end of the
AH> transmission "cycle" regardless whether all files are received and/or
AH> error-free. I have written a small utility that checks the UPLD.LST again
AH> of his inbound directories and exits with an errorlev based on the findin
AH> Should anyone else find this handy, it is requestable here as UPCHK04B.ZI
AH> 12k.


Thanks Al, we need stuff like this to sort it all out, I am going to
give it a try.

                         Art

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 2424
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 01/27/94  8:36a
Subj: NOTICE!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Is WGA on the bird? I seem to recall seeing a WGAMail file at some
 > point. If it is that would be a real bonus to a couple of my users
 > who are serious genealogical hobbiests.

Hi Glenn,


every now and then I see WGAMAIL.ZIP come in via PC. However, I'm not sure yet
how often and how reliable the pre-PC feed is. (440:121/99?) We'll have to wait
till Boyd lets us know the official story. I at one point converted over, but
then nothing came in for a while. Now it's here again.

Boyd, what's the scoop on WGA? Is it going to come in daily, weekly,,, or what?
WGA is my last landline network...I want to dump it asap!

Regards


PS. Glenn, how's the cold front out your way? We had -33 C this morning...
brrrrrrrrrrr


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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 2425
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/27/94  5:26p
Subj: TIC'S                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I have a niffty utility called DIZ2BBS.ZIP that works great with
 > most of the files that came in without  *.TIC
 > But If your using NodeDiff.021 then you wil have to wait till
 > NodeDiff.028
 > to Poll me as Most of my Net got removed from the *.021 Nodelist by
 > mistake,
 > or you can Poll the Author at 1:3625/441

I got my copy from Terry as well.  It's available here, tho I haven't figgered
the way to make it work with TBBS's FILES.DIR format yet...

Available 23hrs/day (except ZMH)


DIZ2BBS.ZIP        10801bytes

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From: JOHN MCCONNELL                         Number: 2426
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/27/94  1:59p
Subj: PC SYSTEM                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

HI BOYD DO YOU KNOW IF PLANET CONNECT CAN BE PICKED UP IN KOREA IM IN
THE ARMY AND AM GOING THERE IN JULY IT WOULD BE GREAT IF I COULD TAKE A
SAT DISH OVER THERE WITH ME IF I CAN GET IT OVER THERE PLEASE LET ME
KNOW AND COULD YOU SEND ME INFO TO PO BOX 10187 CLARKSVILLE TN 37042
THANKS


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From: HARRY MOYLES                           Number: 2427
  To: TBBS SYSOPS..                            Date: 01/28/94  6:39p
Subj: AKA 3615/51                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All..
I am running Tbbs and Flame as you can tell.. I been having problems trying to
send mail to 3615/50. If I leave my aka 3615/51 in flame, When I call 3615/50
it will not take my mail. But it I commet out the aka 3615/51 it will send the
mail? How have you guys gotten around that problem ?
Thanks harry..

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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 2428
  To: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                          Date: 01/27/94  5:43p
Subj: New Here                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  SA> Yep, the only problem so far is the tremendous amount of
 >  SA> messages/files etc that we are getting.  There just aren't
 >  SA> enough hours in the day to go through all this stuff!

 > Yeah...and the flood of OS/2 files coming down is a pain to sort through
 > also.

 > --jah

Yep, Aren't they great!  The only reason I have this service.

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562


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From: JEREMY HALL                            Number: 2429
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/28/94  9:21a
Subj: Re: Gmd Program And Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RH> of the "High Ascii" codes are needed for blind people so that the mail can
RH> read for them by their equiptment. But guess what? I don't care, if it's go
RH> choke my tosser, I delete the message!

They're stupid screen readers, then, because I don't use any high-bit
triggers.  Those blind people that have a problem with this should get a
program that reads the screen, not asks the programs to provide nice high-bit
ascii codes.  Those high-bit ascii codes get in my way when I'm reading.

-=*Jeremy*=-

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From: JEREMY HALL                            Number: 2430
  To: JAMES MCORMOND                           Date: 01/28/94  9:26a
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JM> systems in the area.  I'm just wondering if its actually a regular Cnews
JM> batched message bundle, or if its some funky format.

Those messages aren't compressed at all.  Standard Unix compression uses
compress16 which cuts down on the size of the bundles.  I.E. The bundles that
PC gets are about 500K, zipped, where as the bundles I get with the same
groups are around 2 to 300K and they are in *.d and *.x format. I am almost
positive that zipping them would decrease the size as well.

-=*Jeremy*=-

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From: JEREMY HALL                            Number: 2431
  To: JOHN LUONG                               Date: 01/28/94  9:32a
Subj: Re: Help                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JL> What is GIGO?  Does it do things like what FredMail does?  If it does, you
JL> put WaterGate in the same category...

Gigo is similar to Fredmail, but it doesn't have a roblem with the  mapping
statement alt.* rec.*, etc.  Fredmail forces you to add each group as it comes
in.  My experience shows that many people cross-post their messages into other
areas that you do not get, but they get sent to you. Pc has been doing the
same thing.  Previously, the messages were dumped and a big dump file was
created. I switched to Imail for processing of Usenet stuff; since it
auto-adds areas in *.msg format.  I have not personally used Watergate, and am
happy with Gigo.  The author, Jason Fesler is helpful and posts regularly in
the UFGATE echo.  Hope this helps... Oh and one last thing... I know that Gigo
supports the *.bag format, but I don't know if Watergate does and I know you
only have to specify the bags verb in the config file and all you need do is
type gateway and press return.  5 minutes later, you have lots of lovely *.pkt
files to play with.

--Jeremy--

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 2432
  To: TOM HAAVISTO                             Date: 01/28/94  9:09a
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tom Haavisto wrote in a message to Glenn Caleval:

TH> happened to it.  A few messages are leaving the originating
TH> system with multiple origin lines.  Hi-ASCII characters are
TH> NOT permitted - I have seen quite a few messages where this

GMD works on netmail right?  I don't think the same hibit ascii char ban exists
in netmail.

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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 2433
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/28/94  1:52p
Subj: Lost PC messages                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

I know I had received some mail in this echo not too long ago but before
I had a chance to reply I had some massive corruption involving the Table
FATS in quite a few of my message areas including this one so they were
lost.  Anyway, to those of you who had written, my humble apologies..

                                                ...Di

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From: DIANE SUMMERS                          Number: 2434
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/28/94  1:58p
Subj: ISNET                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd!

One of my users inquired about the SISNET (Scouts) Net and I looked
into it and was told the net had been in touch with PC to get it
put on the bird.  Will it be on in the near future?  Thanks...

                                              ...Di

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From: AL HAYS                                Number: 2435
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/28/94  6:53p
Subj: UpCheck                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Pursuant to the "blank" line problem that was discovered in UPLD.LST, a fixed
version of UPCHECK is immediately available as UPCHK05B.ZIP, 13k,

MagicName: UPCHECK.

UPCHECK ver .05ß

Checks a list of directories contained in UPCHECK.CFG for files listed
in a filelist.  This is a very simple program.  If you are capable of
running a Planet Connect system, you should have no problem figuring out
how to use UPCHECK.

UPCHECK.CFG - ASCII Textfile
              Must reside in the directory where UPCHECK.EXE was executed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Keywords:    @UPLIST - The FULL PATH and name of the list of FileNames.  For
                       Planet connect this would be <drive>\<path>\UPLD.LST.
                       ONLY ONE UPLIST KEYWORD MAY BE USED!

                       i.e.  @UPLIST  D:\PC\UPLOAD.LST

             @INPATH - The name of an inbound directory.  Many directories
                       may be listed but each one must appear on a seperate
                       line and be proceeded by the @INPATH keyword.

              @IGNORE - an acceptable DOS Filename (wildcards accepted).
                        UPCHECK will ignore this file when checking the
                        @UPLIST.  i.e. if you do not care if QWK packets
                        are received, and all QWK packets are named *.Q??
                        then the config line  "@IGNORE *.Q??" would cause
                        UPCHECK to continue whether the file existed or not.

All Keywords must begin in Column 1.  White space between the keyword and the
parameter is ignored. Keywords and/or parameters are not case sensitive.
Trailing backslashes for directories will be appended if not listed. All
MISSING and IGNORED files are logged in UPCHECK.LOG for later inspection.


Upon completion, UPCHECK exits with the following ERRORLEVELS
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

0 - All files in @UPLIST found (or ignored)
1 - Error reading UPCHECK.CFG
2 - Error reading @UPLIST
3 - One or more files in @UPLIST were not located
4 - Error creating or writing to UPCHECK.LOG
5 - @UPLIST name in UPCHECK.CFG not found or bogus


Regards,

Al

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From: ART MACK                               Number: 2436
  To: DAVE MILLER                              Date: 01/29/94 12:17a
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave!

In a message to Dave Sloan <01/27/94> Dave Miller wrote:

DM>  DS> will cough up additional funds each month for usenet
DM>  DS> messages - would it not be in your best interest to do
DM>  DS> some of this front end processing yourself before the
DM>  DS> info goes on the BIG BIRD. I think that if this was

DM> At this time maybe but I beleive that leaveing it in the native bag forma
DM> would be better in the long run.  The bag format can be directly processe
DM> those of us that run pure unix systems to toss the mail.  Also the majori
DM> all but the majority of systems hooked to the internet already use the ba
DM> format.  Therefore you make it easy for these systems that already carry
DM> to switch over to a less expensive feed.
DM>


Absolutely correct, the last thing I want is the bag files changed!!!
Hands of our BAG files!!!!

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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 2437
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/28/94  8:40a
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Robert Hilgar wrote in a message to Mauro Incrocci:

 RH> system, may not be the case to another platform. Some of the
 RH> "High Ascii" codes are needed for blind people so that the
 RH> mail can be read for them by their equiptment. But guess
 RH> what? I don't care, if it's gonna choke my tosser, I delete
 RH> the message!

How do you figure?  Being legally blind, I've *never* seen a speech package
that requires high-ASCII to be in the text...In fact, most of them can't handle
high-ASCII, and simply read an ASCII 254 (the little box a lot of QWK readers
use around their taglines) as "Character two fifty four"...There are only two
kinds of messages that would contain high ASCII, those that are grunged, and
those that are not in English, which may as well be grunged...Unless of course
some people are into using those cute little boxes and bars in a FidoNet area
where it doesn't belong...

Later...

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From: WALLACE SHELDON                        Number: 2438
  To: MICHAEL ERWIN                            Date: 01/28/94 11:45p
Subj: Re: Lock with OS/2                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 ME> If you select your printer object with the right mouse button, goto the
 ME> ports page in the Setup notebook, and select the port that the lock is on
 ME> with the right mouse button, You can open another setup for that port.
 ME> There will be another setup notebook. You will notice a share access
 ME> option. Turn it ON. You should work now.

Michael,  I take it you've been able to get PTCCMAIN to work in a DOS box on
OS/2?  If so, would you share the DOS settings you used, Comm drivers you had
installed at the time, the seriel port you were using, and what, if any,
changes you might have made in PTCCMAIN.INI?  I have the Share option turned
on, and still can't get PTCCMAIN to run with or without the Dongle.  There are
a LOT of people that would be VERY interested in how you did it!

        Thanks,
          Wally

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2439
  To: TOM HAAVISTO                             Date: 01/27/94  3:24p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > solid as I think it should be.  By hiccup, I mean that hosed
 > mail comes in, and this thing turns arounds and ships it back out
 > (with my origin line), and a stripped seen-by line.  And yes - I
 > have contacted the author about this.

Until he fixes, you should use other software. You should not force the
inadequacies of your software on others by deleting mail to compensate for poor
programming.

 > 95% of the mail is fine.  Some mail is nowhere even close to
 > what the spec calls for.  You do know what a spec is - that
 > is what everyone is *supposed* to follow.

Perhaps you should *carefully* read the actual specs as they have been
promulgated by the FTSC. The vast majority of stuff that GMD can be configured
to delete is totally *within* spec and no one has any business deleting it. In
fact, I think there are only two configurable options in GMD that actually have
anything to do with the formal specs at all.

For example, the spec does NOT prohibit high order bits in echomail, but
explicitly states that software should NOT delete such msgs. The specs also
*explictly* provide that software should be able to cope with unlimited msg
size. Yet the most common uses of GMD are to delete legitimate, in-spec msgs
because they contain high order chars or are exceed some arbitrary length to
suit some brain dead mail program.

 > When a message has multiple origin lines, this tells
 > me that something bad happened to it.

Have you ever wondered how what you think are "grunged" msgs managed to make it
through the many systems enroute to your system without breaking anyone elses
software? Obviously all the mail software that handled it before it got to you,
managed to pass it on gracefully or it would never have arrived on your system.

 > system with multiple origin lines.  Hi-ASCII characters are NOT
 > permitted -

Excuse me, but that is bullshit. Please read the specs you are busily trying to
wave in my face. HI-ASCII characters ARE SO permitted, quite explicitly.

 > Please remember that FidoNet has many types of machines (and
 > even more types of software) attached to it.  PC graphics don't

So the software used on the *end* node should be capable of modifying, or
deleting the msgs that offend that given end node. Those who are supposed to
MOVE the MAIL have no business deleting that which they have agreed to move.
Only where the mail path terminates, ie. the end-node, should such software be
used.

 > Atari or a Commodore 64.  The spec (when followed) should mean

Please do read those specs you are going on about.

 > I could go on, but I hope you get the picture here.  I realize
 > that you seem to think that anything that you ship out from your
 > system is fair game, regardless of how damaged it may be (and can
 > cause problems for other software as a result).  Sorry - I don't
 > feel this way - if I AM shipping out mail that is malformed, I WANT
 > to know about it, so I can get the problem fixed.

Few things. First to my knowledge no msg has ever left my system that fits even
the broadest "grunged" defintion. I know for a fact that msgs have not been
*delivered* to my system because some pathological upstream of me was using
GMD. So I am not, as you sarcastically write, concerned about what leaves here,
but what people like you are preventing from arriving. You obviously think you
can volunteer to move mail and then arbitrarily decide what you will delete
based on mythology of what the specs actually are. And, you clearly do not know
what the real specs are or you would not be misrepresenting them here.

Secondly you seem to feel that if a msg *might* affect your system negatively,
you have the right to prevent others from receiving it even though their
systems are fully capable of handling the msg gracefully. Finally, if you are
deleting msgs, the sysop who generated the msg will NOT know that he has
"created a problem." GMD is not capable of informing the originator of a msg of
the fact that the msg has been deleted. One version of GMD notifies the
immediate uplink, but that is rarely the originator of the msg and mail hubs
have pretty much unanimously announced they consider such notifications to be
annoying since they are *not* the originators. So NONE of what you say you want
to accomplish is accomplished by GMD except the possibility of saving you from
some minor personal inconveniences. In such a situation, you should seek a
volunteer replacement capable of runnning software that is not so inconvenient.

It is getting ludicrous, to the point that an REC recently posted grunged
NETMAIL generated by Planet Connect (you know those occasional glips we've been
getting) as examples of the utility of GMD. Except, GMD is intended to operate
on echomail, not netmail and that dealing with those examples is trivial
without the heavy hand of GMD.

This hobby is about communicating, not deleting communication.

 > tool for the job (and YES - if allowed to do so, it CAN violate
 > the policy that I am doing my meager best to try and uphold).

If you have deleted any mail that was not intended to end its journey on your
own system, without notifying the originator of that msg, you ARE in violation
of Policy 4.x

.glenn.

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From: JERRY SCROGGIN                         Number: 2440
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/29/94 11:10a
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

hello boyd..


RH>-> At Present we are not set up to allow return on the Usenet. I have to
 >-> check and see what kind of administative nightmare this will be.


it would be very nice to be able to send the news groups back thru
you..say..in pkt form...if we could have a standardized echo tag list
for our areas.bbs it would be great...if i have to pay holonet
$10 to $15 a month for return mail then why not pay you and make only 1
phone call a night..like you said..another nightmare for you..

btw how are we coming on getting circuitnet up on the bird?

jery

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From: JERRY SCROGGIN                         Number: 2441
  To: STEVE NEWMAN                             Date: 01/29/94 11:11a
Subj: hi steve                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



SN>  Just a test to see if we've got this all correct. For others in this
 >  echo I'd like to say...Hey, sorry for the test but how do you think
 >  the Wright Brothers did it? <G> Thanks!

fancy seeing you here...welcome..

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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 2442
  To: JAMES MCORMOND                           Date: 01/27/94  6:19p
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

James McOrmond wrote:

JM> In a message of Su 23-Jan-94 19:09, Dan Williamson wrote:

JM> I'm already running UseNet on my system and distribute to a
JM> number of other systems in the area.  I'm just wondering if
JM> its actually a regular Cnews batched message bundle, or if
JM> its some funky format.

Yup. That's what it is with a munged file name. The *.BAG files that are
recovered from uncompressing the incoming packages are compressed batches
without the execution instruction file (*.D with no *.X associated).

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From: RIC WALSH                              Number: 2443
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/29/94  4:58a
Subj: New errorlevel drops.                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Friday January 28 1994 00:03, Boyd Goodin wrote to All:


 BG>    All I have added a new errorlevel of 101. To activate this
 BG> please add 701=ON in the INI file. This will allow you to exit
 BG> just after the fidonet mail and other networks are finished
 BG> (including fileareas) and before the PCUSENET files start to
 BG> come.
 BG> ................   Also took care
 BG> of the extra lines in the UPLD.LST file.

Thanks for all of your efforts to improve the system ! I know it is very time
consuming(plus answering all of our dumb phone calls). I understand that you
(and the rest of the PC folk) must make slow deliberate changes to the system
because it effects us ALL. Whats good for me might cause great trouble for the
next guy. It is imposible to satisfy everyone.

Hang in there. Your doing a fine job.

Again thanks..   (Ma Bell must hate you guys however)

Ric

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From: GLEN DAVIS                             Number: 2444
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/29/94 11:14a
Subj: Session Password                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd,

I started getting a message from your front end re: Need a session level
password, but I have no idea what that password should be.

Can you help?


                                -Glen

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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 2445
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/28/94 10:23a
Subj: McAfee's Virus Scanner                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am wondering why we aren't receiving updates to McAfee's Virus Scanner VSCAN,
VSHIELD, and CLEAN?  Are they not allowed to be distributed on the satellite?



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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 2446
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/28/94 10:24a
Subj: TVAGENT                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Please send me a non-corrupted registered version of TVAGENT.  I put the one
you sent me back in box with the defective satellite receiver I sent back to
you.  Thanks.



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From: DEAN WEST                              Number: 2447
  To: JEFF OLESEN                              Date: 01/28/94  4:03p
Subj: Re: PC Questions                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Monday January 17 1994 10:13, Jeff Olesen wrote to Don Waybright:


Jeff....

 JO>
 JO> Perhaps it's not available in the U.S. I am in Canada, so I bought from
 JO> the Canadian price list. Perhaps Boyd could answer your question better.

As I to am looking into setting up a Sat downlink, where can someone get a copy
of the Canadian price list. Would rather buy Canadian to avoid all the hassle
of getting it over the border.

       C'ya
          Dean

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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2448
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/29/94  9:00p
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusenet              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Help !
 Are there any Remote Access Sysops tossing pcusnet ? I am running
RA 2.01 Frontdoor and Fmail Tosser. I have a copy of FRED. This suppose to be
a uucp to fido gateway I think.. any help would be appreciated.. Thanks Gill
Blue
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From: JEREMY HALL                            Number: 2449
  To: DAVE MILLER                              Date: 01/28/94 11:55p
Subj: Re: Value Added Service                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DM> At this time maybe but I beleive that leaveing it in the native bag format
DM> would be better in the long run.  The bag format can be directly processed
DM> those of us that run pure unix systems to toss the mail.  Also the majority
DM> not all but the majority of systems hooked to the internet already use the
DM> format.  Therefore you make it easy for these systems that already carry
DM> usenet to switch over to a less expensive feed.

I Disagree! The news batches I get from the Unix system locally are compressed
with comp16 and I have already stated that compression takes out some of the
excess space and time which is something we all are concerned with.  Even at
19.2K, things will move along slowly.  What kind of through-put do you get
with the PC software?

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From: AL HAYS                                Number: 2450
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 01/29/94 11:09a
Subj: Re: UPLD.LST Checker                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> I dont think anything 'changed' Al...

To tell you the truth, I really don't have the slightest idea.  Bill simply
described what he needed and I poked out some code <g>.

BTW:  What language is Ed using for SKYMAIL?

Al

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From: AL HAYS                                Number: 2451
  To: ART MACK                                 Date: 01/29/94 11:12a
Subj: Re: UPLD.LST Checker                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Thanks Al, we need stuff like this to sort it all out, I am going to
> give it a try.

Cool.  Let me know how it works, what else you need it to do, etc.

Al

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From: MURRY FRANCIS                          Number: 2452
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 01/29/94  8:59p
Subj: Is There Any Way...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

<=> Guy VanDell Was Heard Saying This To Don Kulha:
GV>Although the people in fidonet seem to have a lot more time
GV>to whine and complain than the usenet people do.
   And I am sure we all would miss you if you were to leave fidoland......?
   These are senseless comments, I see why you are unhappy.

Murry

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From: MURRY FRANCIS                          Number: 2453
  To: JOE HAYES                                Date: 01/29/94  9:40p
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

<=> Joe Hayes Was Heard Saying This To Boyd Goodin:
JH>Is there a way I can shut this off Boyd?
JH>I don't want the pcusernet now, and doubt that I ever will.
   Heh heh, you and alotta other people, wait till Boyd charges you extra money
for stuff you are sending to the bit bucket! In your ptccmain.ini file change
the 700=on  to  701=on, then you will exit right when the Overkill of USEnet
Newsgroups start to move down towards you. I was sending this to >Null
along with those ever popular QWK packets before they gave me this option, now
I am waiting for the option of Only paying for what I signed for.

Murry

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From: MURRY FRANCIS                          Number: 2454
  To: PATTY PICKETT                            Date: 01/29/94 10:07p
Subj: Support Problems                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PP>>  Show me a company that is just starting and hiring new people that are
PP>as
PP>> organized as you want it to be. Everything takes time. Heck a year ago I
PP>had
PP>> no idea about how this all works. But At least I am trying to figure it
PP>all
PP>> out.
    Well Boyd, if that company doesn't have a monopoly on the market, then
their customers will RUN not walk away. You are only as good as the people who
surround you, in a "normal" new business situation, you would be an empty
building.
PP>>    I will not lie. It will get better but from your comments, not fast
PP>> enough for you.

    Thats not a good way to talk to customers, you need a few people skills
here Boyd.

Tell'm  Patty!!


 Murry

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From: MURRY FRANCIS                          Number: 2455
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/29/94 10:20p
Subj: Usenet returns.                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

<=> Boyd Goodin Was Heard Saying This To All!:
BG>   Who ever is returning usenet feeds via fido to here better
BG>stop it.

    I am sending mine straight to >Null, could it be me? Hope not, I will check
:+)

Murry

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From: MURRY FRANCIS                          Number: 2456
  To: JAMES MCORMOND                           Date: 01/29/94 10:24p
Subj: Ad (author Direct) fdn                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JM>In a message of Tu 18-Jan-94 04:34, Rick Ashworth wrote:
JM> RA> Richard Holler of the AD- file areas has restrictions to
JM> RA> PCSITES only for any of those file areas.  Since many systems
JM> RA> run MO hubs, that means the AD- areas are never seen by
JM> RA> anyone but the PCSITE owner.  Real smart.

    Heya, I didn't agree to anything of the sort, with him or PC, once I get
files through PC, they are mine for whatever I want, I only agreed about the
weather and TV stuff, look at the contract.

    This isn't to you James, just used your masseage.

Murry

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From: MURRY FRANCIS                          Number: 2457
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/29/94 10:44p
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

<=> Jason Fesler Was Heard Saying This To Bill Whitehouse:
JF>PS:  Registered GECHO folks now have JAM.  Granted, it's not
JF>a public release, it's like the early versions of gecho were
JF>before 1.00 - buy first, then get to play.  I'd suggest
JF>finding someone who's actually using JAM, with Gecho, and see
JF>how they like it.  (We only use it as a pass-through engine,
JF>because of it's speed, then use Squish for the message
JF>bases).
    20 messages per second here, it's known to be a good piece of software, so
it's not like you are in the dark about weather it will function as well as the
other versions have, that's why Gerard took so long to write it, it's the best.

Murry

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From: MURRY FRANCIS                          Number: 2458
  To: [e-mail]                       Date: 01/29/94 10:59p
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TO: bryan
bb>reliably, they'll eventually have alot more usenet
bb>subscribers than
bb>Fidonet subscribers.
bb>News/Email (1:282/31)
    Oh Nooo, It's gonna be a USEnet attack!! Stop the gonna be stuff, and let
Boyd answer his question, geeeezz!

Murry

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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 2459
  To: HARRY MOYLES                             Date: 01/30/94 12:03a
Subj: AKA 3615/51                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Harry!

In a message to Tbbs Sysops.. <01/28/94> Harry Moyles wrote:

HM> I am running Tbbs and Flame as you can tell.. I been having problems tryi
HM> send mail to 3615/50. If I leave my aka 3615/51 in flame, When I call 361
HM> it will not take my mail. But it I commet out the aka 3615/51 it will sen
HM> mail? How have you guys gotten around that problem ?

I had the same problem with D'Bridge.  I just went to an external Mail
processor (Gecho) and removed the AKA from DB and all the problems went
away.  The problem is in that 51 can not be in your Mailers AKA's only in
your Tosser.

Tom

 * WCE 1.5/2101 * This tag line is "Bulletin Broad-proof"!

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 2460
  To: JAMES MCORMOND                           Date: 01/29/94  2:33a
Subj: Ad (author Direct) fdn                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello James!

Friday January 21 1994 14:01, James McOrmond wrote to Rick Ashworth:

 RA>> Richard Holler of the AD- file areas has restrictions to
 RA>> PCSITES only for any of those file areas.  Since many systems
 RA>> run MO hubs, that means the AD- areas are never seen by
 RA>> anyone but the PCSITE owner.  Real smart.

 JM> Ugh.   No kidding.  This guy was kidding right?!?! :-)

I sent him netmail a couple of weeks ago, but have not received a reply.  He's
an ASP author, too, and I wonder if the support for his prg is as good as his
support for questions about the AD- echoes?


Rick

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2461
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 01/29/94  4:46p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> system with multiple origin lines.  Hi-ASCII characters are NOT
 >> permitted -

 >Excuse me, but that is bulls**t. Please read the specs you are busily
 >trying to wave in my face. HI-ASCII characters ARE SO permitted, quite
 >explicitly.

Glenn,
       You are quite right about the specs, but usually "policy"
       dictates otherwise..
       For example, Fidonet Echomail Policy prohibits High-ASCII
       in Headers, Origin Lines, Taglines, but does permit them
       in the body of the text if moderator/rules permit it.
Dave P.

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From: BILL WHITEHOUSE                        Number: 2462
  To: JOHN JOHNSON                             Date: 01/26/94  7:11a
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

According to John Johnson (1:291/11) on Mon, Jan 24 at 22:22:

 >> tosser as stable as Gecho. Unless there really is one out
 >> there already and I haven't found it yet, which is entirely
 >> possible. You know of one?

 JJ>The JAM'able GEcho has been out for a short while now...
 JJ>Works GREAT!

     Thanks, arrived tonight. Looks absolutely lovely.

 JJ>-!- GEcho 1.02/JAM/LAN
 JJ> ! Origin: Panther BBS *Wichita Ks* (1:291/11)
                             ^^^^
     Shoot, you didn't have to go far for it, didja? ;-)

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From: BILL WHITEHOUSE                        Number: 2463
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/30/94  1:49a
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

According to Jason Fesler (1:203/7707.1) on Tue, Jan 25 at 09:07:

 BW>> A hudson messagebase's 200 area limit is also a burden in the absence
 BW>> of a JAM tosser as stable as Gecho. Unless there really is one out

 JF>I'd suggest finding someone who's actually
 JF>using JAM, with Gecho, and see how they like it.

     Had it running here four or five days now and have mixed feelings about
it.

 JF>(We only use it as a
 JF>pass-through engine, because of it's speed, then use Squish for the
 JF>message bases).

     You're absolutely right. We tried Squish when our dish first went up, gave
QM a shot, then settled on Gecho for the same reason, its speed.
     On the other hand, GEcho/386 1.02+ seems to require an ALL-MESSAGE-BASE
crawl before it'll scan out new mail, seeing and deleting ECHOMAIL.JAM (the
equivelant of echotoss.log) without acting on it.
     I dunno, the JAM format represents some obvious improvements but speed
isn't one of them. A JAM-base mail check is slow, sure death. Even RBBS - the
grand old wheeze benchmark - is faster than this. Software evolves, patience is
in short supply. Hope these remarks don't offend anyone.

regards,

Bill


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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 2464
  To: JACK WINSLADE                            Date: 01/27/94  6:41p
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Jan2718:41, Jack Winslade of 1:285/1 writes:
 JW> That would effectively kill us and a number of others who are
 JW> thinking of signing up.  We and others process Usenet using
 JW> the standard c-news package which takes the .bag files quite
 JW> easily, as do the usenet->fido processors. Every usenet->fido
 JW> processor I've seen bastardizes the newsgroup names in one
 JW> way or another and screws with the headers.
 JW>
 JW> It's a lot easier to convert usenet->fido than it is to convert
 JW> the converted stuff back to RFC-1036 format.
Well I guess then the least I can hope for is that the groups are sorted.
Thanks for the input.

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2465
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/29/94  2:03a
Subj: New errorlevel drops.                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd Goodin wrote in a message to All:

BG>
BG>    All I have added a new errorlevel of 101. To activate
BG> this please add 701=ON in the INI file. This will allow you
BG> to exit just after the fidonet mail and other networks are
BG> finished (including fileareas) and before the PCUSENET files

Great!

BG> satellite. Now I dont know how some of the utilities like
BG> Skymail and PCUTIL will handle this but it is about the best
BG> I can do on short notice to seperate the regular stuff and
BG> the usenet stuff. Once I can find a little bit more time I

Thats more than sufficient.....I dont know about PCUTIL but that will work FINE
with SkyMail since you can tell it to ignore the PCUSENET files.

BG> Also took care of the extra lines in the UPLD.LST file.

THANK YOU :)  I think Ed is going to do an update to make SkyMail ignore them
anyway.....It was something that got overlooked since it never had happened
before.

[e-mail]

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From: JEFF MURPHY                            Number: 2466
  To: DON KULHA                                Date: 01/29/94 12:01a
Subj: Sunny Daze...                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > to ask my wife if thats what it was. When I order PC I'll
 > have to consider celibacy though....

Well, we all have our priorities....  :-)  But like was said in another
message, hope you don't go blind.  Manually speaking. Of course, they seemed to
mean it differently.

 >     Can you tell I've been doing this for too long? Nine
 > years as of 1/1...

Whoa, flashback.  For a minute there, I thought you meant Fidoing as opposed to
having sex.  I got involved in Fidonet in 1987.  My wife had cut me off for
three years at that point, and I was getting tired of biting the interior of my
mouth.  Hmm.  I guess you *did* mean that.  :-)

Nice chatting.  I'm out of line here (generally, actually), so will go back to
the neighborly loneliness we call echomail. Best wishes.

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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2467
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/25/94  8:15p
Subj: NewsGroups                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Boyd, today is Jan 25 and the hasn't been any newsgroups since the
23rd. Is there a problem? Can we expect to get the newsgroups on a daily
basis. I understand that you are just setting things up and just want to
know if this is the reason. Keep up the good work!


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2468
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 01/30/94 12:28p
Subj: McAfee's Virus Scanner                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Thomas!

Friday January 28 1994 10:23, Thomas Beal wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 TB> I am wondering why we aren't receiving updates to McAfee's Virus Scanner
 TB> VSCAN, VSHIELD, and CLEAN?  Are they not allowed to be distributed on the
 TB> satellite?

I got them via the PC Satellite feed...

Look in these file areas...

1. UTILNET2
       SCANV111.ZIP
       CLEAN111.ZIP
       VSH111.ZIP

2. WIN_UTIL
       WSCAN111.ZIP

3. FWUTIL  <=== OS/2
       OSCN111.ZIP
       OCLN111.ZIP


Regards,
George Vandervort
 ++ QuickBBS 2.80 (Beta-16)/Binkley 2.59wb

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From: RICHARD REED                           Number: 2469
  To: MURRY FRANCIS                            Date: 01/30/94 12:06p
Subj: Ad (author direct) fdn                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->   Heya, I didn't agree to anything of the sort, with him or PC, once I
-> get files through PC, they are mine for whatever I want, I only agreed about
-> the weather and TV stuff, look at the contract.

Well, I disagree with you, the software you get from the satellite is not your,
it is own by the author who wrote the program.. So we all should respect the
author request.. Hell, if we cant follow rules or request from the author or
site, we will risk losing the feed from that site..

Sooooo... Ciao..

Richard
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From: TRACY MICKLEY                          Number: 2470
  To: HARRY MOYLES                             Date: 01/30/94 11:35a
Subj: AKA 3615/51                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I am running Tbbs and Flame as you can tell.. I been having problems

So do I.

What do you have for nodes in your areas.bbs file?

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From: JEREMY HALL                            Number: 2471
  To: CHARLIE CARTER                           Date: 01/29/94  9:54p
Subj: Re: Value Added Service                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > MY POINT IS!!!! - Since you are feeding mostly Fidonet styled
 > people at this point in time and I assume you are hoping that
 > we will cough up additional funds each month for usenet
 > messages - would it not be in your best interest to do some of
 > this front end processing yourself before the info goes on the
 > BIG BIRD. I think that if this was done then more people would
 > consider paying for these services - right now I pay 50
CC>
CC>
CC> I'll second that motion..........
CC>
<-> Charlie <->

There are several ways in which you can process the news bundles into *.pkt
format.  You as the subscriber get a better deal by being able to configure
which header lines you want.  Many Usenet messages contain many header lines
which you may or may not want.  The Usenet pathline can help you in obtaining
where the messages came from, but an average user won't want to see that.  In
your configuration you may optionally hide, kill, or leave lines in the
messages.

-=*Jeremy*=-

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From: JEREMY HALL                            Number: 2472
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/29/94  9:57p
Subj: Re: How In The World...                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JF> solid usenet feed and running a stable gateway already, in _both_ direction
JF>
On a Unix machine, in which directory might I find my site's config file as to
which groups I get?

-=*Jeremy*=-

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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 2473
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 01/29/94 12:35p
Subj: VALUE ADDED SERVICE                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > yourself before the info goes on the BIG BIRD. I think that if this
 > was done then more people would consider paying for these services -
 > right now I pay 50 dollars a year for all the newsgroups that I
 > want, since I live close to a non - long distance calling site.
 > Anyway just my opinion on value added service.... Replies most
 > welcome.-> Dave

Dave, I will not pay for newsgroups at all! I can get them free ($35/year) via
a local call. The satellite option would be more of convenience than anything
else.

Regards



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From: DANIEL LANSALL                         Number: 2474
  To: JIM BECKHAM                              Date: 01/30/94  4:59a
Subj: Mac Distribution Network                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 DL> MDN doesn't seem to be getting you this node.  Any ideas
 DL> why?

 JB> I'm wondering the same thing. I'm VERY interested in carrying the
 JB> Macintosh File Echos, but have been told by my hub that they've never
 JB> had any traffic.

God, did I type that?!! I meant.  MDN isn't getting to the satellite uplink.  I
saw a message somewhere saying that the link from zone 3 (Australia) to zone 1
(N. America) was 'broken'.  I assume someone is trying to fix it.  Do you have
any contacts that may be able to help?

Does anybody?

Daniel.



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From: AL HAYS                                Number: 2475
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 01/31/94  1:38a
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>>> system with multiple origin lines.  Hi-ASCII characters are NOT
>>> permitted -

>>Excuse me, but that is bulls**t. Please read the specs you are busily
>>trying to wave in my face. HI-ASCII characters ARE SO permitted, quite
>>explicitly.

> Glenn, You are quite right about the specs, but usually "policy" dictates
> otherwise.. For example, Fidonet Echomail Policy prohibits High-ASCII in
> Headers, Origin Lines, Taglines, but does permit them in the body of the
> text if moderator/rules permit it.

Pardon me, Dave, but the *ONLY* Policy document in force in FidoNet is POLICY4
... period.  There is *no* FidoNet echomail policy.  The use of High ASCII
charachters in Echomail is an echo-by-echo decision of the individual
moderators.

*NO* *ONE* has the right to stop, or delete, in-transit echomail due to the
existenance of these charachters and *ANYONE* who does so is in clear violation
of POLICY4.  Moderators may warn, suspend, or terminate feeds due to rule
violations (if HI-ASCII is forbidden) but no Hub or mail distribution system
may take it upon themsleves to censor echomail in this manner.

Al

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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 2476
  To: GILL BLUE                                Date: 01/30/94  1:45p
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusenet              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Help !
 >  Are there any Remote Access Sysops tossing pcusnet ?
 > I am running
 > RA 2.01 Frontdoor and Fmail Tosser. I have a copy of
 > FRED. This suppose to be a uucp to fido gateway I
 > think.. any help would be appreciated.. Thanks Gill
 > Blue

Get a hold of a copy of GIGO.  That's what I'm using here, along with GEcho
1.02+.  GIGO has been working flawlessly for me, from the moment I installed
the package.   Plus Jason is very helpful in answering any questions.

Bill

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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 2477
  To: RUSSELL NABER                            Date: 01/30/94 11:23a
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Russell Naber wrote in a message to Boyd Goodwin:

 RN> Test message to check links to pconnect.

You failed, miserably...:-)

Later...

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From: DAVE MILLER                            Number: 2478
  To: ART MACK                                 Date: 01/30/94  1:24p
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Art!

Art was heard to say:

 AM> Absolutely correct, the last thing I want is the bag files changed!!!
 AM> Hands of our BAG files!!!!

AMEN!



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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 2479
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 01/30/94 11:57p
Subj: McAfee's Virus Scanner                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Jan 28 10:23>, Thomas Beal writes:

 TB>I am wondering why we aren't receiving updates to McAfee's Virus Scanner
 TB>VSCAN, VSHIELD, and CLEAN?  Are they not allowed to be distributed on the
 TB>satellite?

They've been coming through the UTILNET2 link.  Latest are Ver 111.

D.

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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2480
  To: JAMES MCORMOND                           Date: 01/28/94  2:26p
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

James McOrmond babbled profusely in a message to Dan Williamson:


 JM> I'm already running UseNet on my system and distribute to a
 JM> number of other systems in the area.  I'm just wondering if
 JM> its actually a regular Cnews batched message bundle, or if
 JM> its some funky format.

Standard .D/.X files from UUCP, except renamed to .BAG files.  You'll need to
run the rmail program via script once for each file, using the .BAG files for
the standard input.

Of course, on an Amiga, your mileage will no doubt vary ;-)

Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2481
  To: JACK WINSLADE                            Date: 01/28/94  2:28p
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jack Winslade babbled profusely in a message to Dave Sloan:


 JW> That would effectively kill us and a number of others who
..
 JW> It's a lot easier to convert usenet->fido than it is to
 JW> convert the converted stuff back to RFC-1036 format.

Amen to that.. I like the ability to map area names out as local needs dictate,
and to be able to select which headers are deemed important and which headers
are simply nuisances.  Setting up a gateway program should be a peice of cake
for anyone that can setup PC; after all, the gateway program is _only_ a peice
of software.. :-)


Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: JOE HAYES                              Number: 2482
  To: MURRY FRANCIS                            Date: 01/30/94  1:56p
Subj: Usenet                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

<=> Joe Hayes Was Heard Saying This To Boyd Goodin:
JH>Is there a way I can shut this off Boyd?
JH>I don't want the pcusernet now, and doubt that I ever will.
MF>   Heh heh, you and alotta other people, wait till Boyd charges you
MF> extra money for stuff you are sending to the bit bucket! In your
MF> ptccmain.ini file change the 700=on  to  701=on, then you will exit
MF> right when the Overkill of USEnet Newsgroups start to move down
MF> towards you. I was sending this to >Null
MF> along with those ever popular QWK packets before they gave me this
MF> option, now I am waiting for the option of Only paying for what I
MF> signed for.
MF> Murry

Already have it Murry, also use the 701=on to exit after the fido and files..
NO, I WON'T PAY EXTRA! If it comes to that I will sell my system to some
unexpecting person.
I bought mine for 3 reasons, Fido, files, and Weather. Although we was all
promised a "door" of some kind so callers can download "raw" weather data. I
have a lot of callers at 2400 baud, if they want the maps, then there whole
hour is shot! So most are not downloding them..
Personaly I don't care what Boyd want's to send "extra" some want it and use
it. I seriously can't see why the charges for the extra stuff is so high.
$30-$40 dollars a month from 1,000+ users can add up to a lot!
By the way, last month the files that had no .tics was appreciated here, my
file manager used the file_id.diz with no problems.

-Joe
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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2483
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 01/30/94  9:26p
Subj: Re: McAfee's Virus Scanner              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >I am wondering why we aren't receiving updates to McAfee's Virus Scanner
 >VSCAN, VSHIELD, and CLEAN?  Are they not allowed to be distributed on the
 >satellite?
 >--- GEcho 1.02+WeBJammin
 > * Origin: Earth Station Alpha * Co Springs, CO * [phone] (1:128/135)

Thomas,
       Didn't the folks at McAfee have a problem with someone
       distributing a "fake" version?
Dave P.

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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 2484
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/30/94  7:00p
Subj: How In The World...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Do you have a PROPER list one can use for PC? Can one get a copy
-> of it?

not sure of the specifics for WIldcat but I have one that works for PCBoard's
importing programs and it's PC.TXT available on my BBS at 701-775-1143.. enjoy
- it took me a while to compile that one <G>

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 2485
  To: HAROLD CARLSON                           Date: 01/30/94  8:18a
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

harold Carlson wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

hC> Well robert i hope that you dont go blind i have been
hC> working with some of that equment and boy i give them more
hC> credit than most of my users. the equment that is need for
hC> them is twice in cost than your system and i feel that your
hC> tosser dosent choke on thier messages.
hC> re 10 users here with  many diffent types of blind equment
hC> and both of my mail tossers havn't  had any problem.

Ok harold, you make a good point. So good in fact, I decided not to run GMD and
guess what? Psort (a great program) made a 30meg *.Pkt file the other day and
it was grunged so renamed to *.Bad. So, i then took out psort also and about 5
of the numerous packets were named *.Bad still. But at least most of the mail
got out. At any rate, no matter how I look at it, the mail that is invalid wont
go out anyway, so I am back to running GMD. My downlinks also like the clean
packets!

                          Cheers,
                                     Robert
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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 2486
  To: SEAN PEOPLES                             Date: 01/30/94  8:26a
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Sean Peoples wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

SP> How do you figure?  Being legally blind, I've *never* seen a
SP> speech package that requires high-ASCII to be in the

We are talking about hardware, not software. Ask Harold Carlson, he has worked
with these systems. (Look back a few messages to see his reply to me)
                          Cheers,
                                     Robert
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From: MIKE PERKINS                           Number: 2487
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 01/30/94  8:25a
Subj: How in the world...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Well John, I've tried to call your board several times to get your PC.TXT file.
 Each time I called into your board I have spent 6 to 10 minutes just trying to
get to a menu.  You seem to have something slowing things way down.  I should
have been able to get to the main menu in a lot less than 3 minutes.  I have
also tried to freq the file but you must not have it available for fido
freqing.  Would it be possible for you to send it up to Saltair or Boyd's
board?  I would like to take a look at it.  I have spent several hours adding
the news groups into PCB & PCBUUCP and have a long way to go.  Any ideas or
help on how to speed this process up would be appreaciated.  I would also like
to make sure I do it right the first time. <grin>

Thanks
Mike


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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2488
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 01/30/94  6:07p
Subj: Re: UPLD.LST Checker                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Al Hays wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

> I dont think anything 'changed' Al...
AH>
AH> To tell you the truth, I really don't have the slightest
AH> idea.  Bill simply described what he needed and I poked out
AH> some code <g>.
AH>
AH> BTW:  What language is Ed using for SKYMAIL?

Pascal......

[e-mail]

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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 2489
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 01/31/94  8:10a
Subj: McAfee's Virus Scanner                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thomas Beal wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

TB> I am wondering why we aren't receiving updates to McAfee's
TB> Virus Scanner VSCAN, VSHIELD, and CLEAN?  Are they not
TB> allowed to be distributed on the satellite?

They are coming into Utilnet2. Check your directories, they should be in there.

                          Cheers,
                                     Robert
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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 2490
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/31/94  8:19a
Subj: IDC                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

I was just wondering if you guys have any plans on upgrading the PC hardware so
that we can get more than 19.2k. If there is a way to do it, then you can add
more stuff and we wouldn't have to worry about missing files. Is it even
possible to get more throughput with the latest technology? It would be nice to
receive at 115kbps! <G>

                          Cheers,
                                     Robert
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From: ROBERT HILGAR                          Number: 2491
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/31/94  8:27a
Subj: QWK's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Everyone here will probably want to kill me for saying it, but why don't you
get rid of all the QWK netowrks, TV junk and Weather files that I'm sure the
_majority_ here don't use. Then we would be able to get more cycles per day
(and maybe a "FULL Usenet feed) until there is a faster way to downlink to us?
Receiving all the Fido and Usenet stuff is more of a priority than the other
things anyway.

(  I'm now preparing for the hate mail :-(  )

                          Cheers,
                                     Robert
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From: DAVE MILLER                            Number: 2492
  To: JEREMY HALL                              Date: 01/31/94 12:16p
Subj: Re: Value Added Service                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DM> At this time maybe but I beleive that leaveing it
DM> in the native bag format
DM> would be better in the long run.  The bag format
DM> can be directly processed
DM> those of us that run pure unix systems to toss the
DM> mail.  Also the majority
DM> not all but the majority of systems hooked to the
DM> internet already use the
DM> format.  Therefore you make it easy for these
DM> systems that already carry
DM> usenet to switch over to a less expensive feed.

 JH> I Disagree! The news batches I get from the Unix system
 JH> locally are compressed
 JH> with comp16 and I have already stated that compression
 JH> takes out some of the
 JH> excess space and time which is something we all are
 JH> concerned with.  Even at
 JH> 19.2K, things will move along slowly.  What kind of
 JH> through-put do you get
 JH> with the PC software?

Now just a minute I made no statement as far as compression was concered.  The
files are however currently compressed with PKZIP2.4G so it's not like the
transmission is the large uncompressed bag file.  What I was responding to
however was a statement made eariler that I interpreted to mean that the
gentlemen wanted Boyd to convert the bag files over to PKT files for him.  I
and several others that use UNIX boxs for Usenet news groups don't want to have
to mess with a PKT to BAG file conversion.  Cnews want's bag files so thats
what we want.  Currently we get our news from UUNET but we will be switching
over to PC and will only be sending our return news back through UUNET.  As for
throughput on PC I haven't really bothered to notice.  The system is dedicated
and just keeps sucking the data in all day processing Bag files as they become
available.

Regards,  Dave.

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From: JEREMY HALL                            Number: 2493
  To: THOMAS BEAL                              Date: 01/31/94  7:46a
Subj: Re: McAfee's Virus Scanner              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TB> I am wondering why we aren't receiving updates to McAfee's Virus Scanner
TB> VSCAN, VSHIELD, and CLEAN?  Are they not allowed to be distributed on the
TB> satellite?

Scan, Vshield, and Clean were hatched into Utilnet and Utilnet2 several days
ago.

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From: JEREMY HALL                            Number: 2494
  To: GILL BLUE                                Date: 01/31/94  6:56a
Subj: Re: Remote Access and Pcusenet          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GB>  Are there any Remote Access Sysops tossing pcusnet ? I am running
GB> RA 2.01 Frontdoor and Fmail Tosser. I have a copy of FRED. This
GB> suppose to be a uucp to fido gateway I think.. any help would be
GB> appreciated.. Thanks Gill Blue

Gigo, in its docs, states that RA is not compliant with FSC-35 standards.
Gigo is an alternative to Fred, works better, too. Configuration isn't as
difficult and you only have to run one program rather than 3 or 4.

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From: JEREMY HALL                            Number: 2495
  To: JERRY SCROGGIN                           Date: 01/31/94  7:15a
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JS> it would be very nice to be able to send the news groups back thru
JS> you..say..in pkt form...if we could have a standardized echo tag list
JS> for our areas.bbs it would be great...if i have to pay holonet
JS> $10 to $15 a month for return mail then why not pay you and make only 1
JS> phone call a night..like you said..another nightmare for you..

You could also make your usenet return mail like I do and then look in the
Planet subdirectory under spool for the files. Then zip them and come up with
a unique name for them and send them off to Boyd. He'll unzip, toss, and then
send to his uplink.  I would say use the same first 8 that your tosser uses
for him, then rename the extention to .pcu.

Side note:

There are many systems that allow posting into newsgroups via Email.
Utexas.edu is one of them. Do not send files, though.

-=*Jeremy*=-

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From: JIM ST. JOHN                           Number: 2496
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 01/31/94  9:36p
Subj: Re: UPLD.LST Checker                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> BTW:  What language is Ed using for SKYMAIL?

I have seen several references to skymail.  What exactly does it do?
-jim-


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From: JOHN JOHNSON                           Number: 2497
  To: BILL WHITEHOUSE                          Date: 01/30/94 11:46p
Subj: administrivia                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill,

* In a message originally to Jason Fesler, Bill Whitehouse said:

 > According to Jason Fesler (1:203/7707.1) on Tue, Jan 25 at
 > 09:07:

 > BW>> A hudson messagebase's 200 area limit is also a burden in the absence
 > BW>> of a JAM tosser as stable as Gecho. Unless there really is one out

 > JF>I'd suggest finding someone who's actually
 > JF>using JAM, with Gecho, and see how they like it.

 >      Had it running here four or five days now and have mixed
 > feelings about it.

 > JF>(We only use it as a
 > JF>pass-through engine, because of it's speed, then use Squish for the
 > JF>message bases).

 >      You're absolutely right. We tried Squish when our dish
 > first went up, gave QM a shot, then settled on Gecho for the
 > same reason, its speed.
 >      On the other hand, GEcho/386 1.02+ seems to require an
 > ALL-MESSAGE-BASE crawl before it'll scan out new mail, seeing
 > and deleting ECHOMAIL.JAM (the equivelant of echotoss.log)
 > without acting on it.
 >      I dunno, the JAM format represents some obvious
 > improvements but speed isn't one of them. A JAM-base mail
 > check is slow, sure death. Even RBBS - the grand old wheeze
 > benchmark - is faster than this. Software evolves, patience
 > is in short supply. Hope these remarks don't offend anyone.

Are you calling GE up with the -quick switch? ie:
Gecho toss scan -quick import pack -flags

Scans, finds my new and is done in under 30 sec.s here with 900+
JAM areas.  The quick switch tells it to use the *.bbs and *.jam files instead
of doing a complete scan.

John

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2498
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 01/31/94 11:12p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >Pardon me, Dave, but the *ONLY* Policy document in force in FidoNet is
 >POLICY4 ... period.  There is *no* FidoNet echomail policy.  The use of
 >High ASCII charachters in Echomail is an echo-by-echo decision of the
 >individual moderators.

Al,
       Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that "echomail policy"
       was in force but only that something existed and was
       being used as a guide by the moderators of said echos..

 >*NO* *ONE* has the right to stop, or delete, in-transit echomail due to the
 >existenance of these charachters and *ANYONE* who does so is in clear
 >violation of POLICY4.  Moderators may warn, suspend, or terminate feeds due
 >to rule violations (if HI-ASCII is forbidden) but no Hub or mail
 >distribution system may take it upon themsleves to censor echomail in this

       I agree with you completely.  I would think that GMD
       was only being used to alert/notify nodes of possible
       problems, but not change/delete any mail.
Dave P.

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 2499
  To: HARRY MOYLES                             Date: 01/30/94  9:42a
Subj: AKA 3615/51                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I am running Tbbs and Flame as you can tell.. I been having problems
 > trying to send mail to 3615/50. If I leave my aka 3615/51 in flame,

Harry,
 It's real easy. You set up your AREAS.BBS so that your uplink is 3615/50. The
AKA in FLAME is 3615/51, but that's the only place you have that AKA. Do NOT
use it in your TIMS setup, for instance.

Are you using a nanny for pre-processing and hubbing, or just tossing directly
into TBBS?

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 2500
  To: DAVE MILLER                              Date: 01/30/94  6:39p
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Jan3018:39, Dave Miller of 1:285/26 writes:

 DM> At this time maybe but I beleive that leaveing it in the native
 DM> bag format would be better in the long run.  The bag format can
 DM> be directly processed by those of us that run pure unix systems
 DM> to toss the mail.  Also the majority not all but the majority of
 DM> systems hooked to the internet already use the bag format.
 DM> Therefore you make it easy for these systems that already carry
 DM> usenet to switch over to a less expensive feed.
OK - I give in - I have already setup my system for .bag messages. Too bad
there is not a current list of all areas. I had my bad message area working
overtime as my system setup 623 more areas then were listed in the pcusenet.txt
file. How many areas do you count. I have 2126 so far. Is this a good round
number <grin>. Anyway - later I will try to feed the .bag files straight across
to the other unix systems, but for now the simplest is the toss - which I am
familiar with.

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 2501
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 01/30/94  6:49p
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Jan3018:49, Jason Fesler of 1:203/7707.1 writes:

 JF> Dave Sloan babbled profusely in a message to Dan Williamson:


 DS> impressive. Too bad they don't have an OS/2 version. At
 DS> least the DOS version works well under OS/2. If they ever
 DS> get it into OS/2 then I will certainly register it.

 JF> It would cost _someone_ several hundred bucks, as the author
 JF> doesn't have the hardware or software to do it.. :-)
Tell him to send me the source code. It shouldn't take too long to figure out.

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 2502
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/30/94  7:15p
Subj: OS/2 and usenet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Here is a rexx script to renumber the message files in usenet - you may need
this to keep up:
/* Renum */
infile = 'c:\usquish\squish.cfg'
outfile = 'c:\temp\squish.cfg'
cnt = 1
do until LINES(infile) = 0
  line = LINEIN(infile)
  if TRANSLATE(WORD(line, 1)) = 'ECHOAREA' then do
    line.cnt = WORD(line, 3)
    file = LINEOUT(outfile, 'EchoArea 'WORD(line, 2)' c:\nmsg\n'cnt'
'SUBWORD(line.iii, 4))
    cnt = cnt + 1
  end
  else
    file = LINEOUT(outfile, line)
end
file = LINEOUT(infile)
file = LINEOUT(outfile)
say 'There are 'cnt' message areas...'
do iii = cnt to 1 by -1
  msgname = WORD(line.iii, 3)
  'rename 'msgname'.* n'iii'.*'
end
'copy 'outfile' 'infile
exit

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 2503
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/30/94  7:16p
Subj: OS/2 and usenet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

And here is a script file that adds lines to your squish.cfg file for all those
areas that are not listed - just run squishp in out squash link > toss.txt
/* SquishUp */
/* Look for new messages and add to squish.cfg*/
/* This follows squishp in out squash link > toss.txt*/
debug = 0
squishcfg = 'c:\usquish\squish.cfg'
tossup = 'c:\usquish\toss.txt'
SquishTmp = 'c:\temp\squish.cfg'
SquishWrk = 'c:\temp\squish.$$$'
MsgTmp    = 'c:\temp\msgarea.txt'
Messages  = 'c:'
Messpath  = 'nmsg'
net = 1
net.1 = '1:'
if debug then say 'SqUpdate ------>'

/* Count new areas found in the bad messages*/
NewAreas.0 = 0

/* Until all messages have been scanned*/
filecnt = 0

do until LINES(tossup) = 0
  line = LINEIN(tossup)
  /* Pull Area name out of control info*/
  if WORD(line, 1) = 'Toss' then do
  AreaCond = WORD(line, 4)
if debug then
say 'Condition = 'AreaCond
  if AreaCond = '(Unknown' then do
    /* And put in Area*/
    Area = STRIP(WORD(line, 5), 'TRAILING', ')')
if debug then
say 'Area = 'Area

    /* Which zone did this message come from - strip :-> from right*/
    origin = STRIP(SUBSTR(WORD(line, 3), 2), 'TRAILING', ')')
if debug then
say 'origin = 'origin
    netid = DELSTR(origin, POS(':', origin) + 1)
if debug then
say 'netid = 'netid
    /* Make sure that we got this one from the same net*/
    AreaId = Area' 'netid

    /* OK did we run across this one before*/
    found = 0
    if NewAreas.0 > 0 then do
      do x = 1 to NewAreas.0
        if NewAreas.x = AreaId then do
          found = x
          leave
        end
      end
      if found = 0 then do
        NewAreas = NewAreas.0 + 1
        NewAreas.NewAreas = AreaId
        NewAreas.0 = NewAreas
        filecnt = filecnt + 1
      end
    end
    else do
      NewAreas.1 = AreaId
      NewAreas.0 = 1
      /* Oh boy - a new area - copy .cfg to work area*/
      'copy 'squishcfg' 'SquishTmp
      if isthere(SquishWrk) then
        'erase 'SquishWrk' /n'
      filecnt = 1
    end

    /* Look to see if we are in that net*/
    if found = 0 then do
      netno = 0
      do y = 1 to net
        if POS(netid, net.y) > 0 then do
          netno = y
          leave
        end
      end

      /* Found net so set up line for squish.cfg*/
      if netno > 0 then do
        /* Post for announcement*/
        linemsg = 'Echo Area - 'area' added on 'Date()' 'Time()
if debug then
say linemsg
        file = LINEOUT(MsgTmp, linemsg)
        dotp = POS('.', origin)
        if dotp > 0 then
          origin = DELSTR(origin, dotp)
        linemsg = 'Origin System = 'origin
        file = LINEOUT(MsgTmp, linemsg)
        file = LINEOUT(MsgTmp, ' ')
        file = STREAM(MsgTmp, c, close)

        Area = LEFT(STRIP(Area), 30)
/* gotta change this ]*/
        SquishCln = 'EchoArea  'area' 'Messages'\'Messpath'\'LEFT(TRANSLATE(SUB
STR(Area, 1, 8),'_-----','.&\/%@'),9)' -$ -$m250 -$d7 'net.netno

        /* And put it in the squish.cfg temp file*/
        do while LINES(SquishTmp) > 0
          line = LINEIN(SquishTmp)
          if TRANSLATE(WORD(line, 1)) = 'ECHOAREA' then
            if POS(net.netno, TRANSLATE(line)) > 0 then
              leave
          file = LINEOUT(SquishWrk, line)
        end
        do while LINES(SquishTmp) > 0
          xline = TRANSLATE(line)
          if POS(net.netno, xline) = 0 then do
            file = LINEOUT(SquishWrk, SquishCln)
            leave
          end
          SqArea = WORD(line, 2)
          if SqArea > Area then do
            file = LINEOUT(SquishWrk, SquishCln)
if debug then
say 'Added after area - 'SqArea
            leave
          end
          file = LINEOUT(SquishWrk, line)
          line = LINEIN(SquishTmp)
        end
        do while LINES(SquishTmp) > 0
          file = LINEOUT(SquishWrk, line)
          line = LINEIN(SquishTmp)
        end
        file = LINEOUT(SquishWrk, line)
        /* Close files*/
        file = STREAM(SquishTmp, c, close)
        file = STREAM(SquishWrk, c, close)
        'erase 'SquishTmp' /n'
        'rename 'SquishWrk' 'FILESPEC('NAME',SquishTmp)
      end
    end
  end
  else
  if AreaCond = '(Dupe' then do
    MessNum = 'c:\nmsg\bad\'STRIP(WORD(line, 2), 'TRAILING', ':')'.msg'
if debug then
say 'Duplicate = 'MessNum
    'erase 'MessNum


           >> Message length exceeded, split by WILDMAIL! v3.00 <<
                        >> Continued in next message <<
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 2504
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/30/94  7:16p
Subj: OS/2 and usenet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

           >> Message length exceeded, split by WILDMAIL! v3.00 <<
                     >> Continued from previous message <<


  end
  end
end
/* Update squish config file*/
if NewAreas.0 > 0 then do
  'copy 'SquishTmp' 'squishcfg
  'erase 'SquishTmp' /n'
end
if filecnt > 0 then do
  LineMsg = filecnt' New Message Bases Found and Created.'
  say LineMsg
end
Exit

/* Isthere - tests for the existance of a file*/
isthere: ARG wxy

if debug then say 'isthere ------>'
  isthere = LINES(wxy)
  zxy = STREAM(wxy, c, close)
return isthere

Hope this helps.....
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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2505
  To: HARRY MOYLES                             Date: 01/30/94  6:27p
Subj: AKA 3615/51                             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Harry!

In a message to Tbbs Sysops.. <01/28/94> Harry Moyles wrote:

HM> Hello All..
HM> I am running Tbbs and Flame as you can tell.. I been having problems tryi
HM> send mail to 3615/50. If I leave my aka 3615/51 in flame, When I call 361
HM> it will not take my mail. But it I commet out the aka 3615/51 it will sen
HM> mail? How have you guys gotten around that problem ?
HM> Thanks harry..
Harry I am not a tbbs/flame user but is flame your frontend or
mail tosser.  If it is your front end it will not send it to an
address that is already onsite.  1:3615/51 only goes in your mail
processig software and never in the frontend software.  You
receive mail from 1:3615/50 via aks 1:3615/51 amd all tossins is
to 1:3615/50 from your replies and is sent to 1:3615/50 thus if
you put an aka of 1:3615/51 in the frontend the front end sees it
as beeing to your address and will not transmit it out.
Just a thought.

Joe

Joe

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself.

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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 2506
  To: SEAN PEOPLES                             Date: 01/31/94  9:48a
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Sean!

Sunday January 30 1994, Sean Peoples writes to Russell Naber:

 SP> Russell Naber wrote in a message to Boyd Goodwin:

 RN>> Test message to check links to pconnect.

 SP> You failed, miserably...:-)

 SP> Later...

 SP> -+- timEd-B11
 SP>  + Origin: The .\ssylum * Cedar Hill, TX * Clinton/Barney in '96
 SP> (1:124/7026)

Thanks for the response, let's me know two-way links are now okay.

Time to start responding to all those messages from all those echos courtesy of
Planet Connect. <g> (thanks Boyd)



Russell

--- GoldED 2.42.G1219+
 * Origin: Black Diamond BBS - [phone] (1:15/24)
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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2507
  To: JEREMY HALL                              Date: 02/01/94  8:42p
Subj: Re: Remote Access and Pcusenet          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > GB>  Are there any Remote Access Sysops tossing pcusnet ? I am running
 > GB> RA 2.01 Frontdoor and Fmail Tosser. I have a copy of FRED. This
 > GB> suppose to be a uucp to fido gateway I think.. any help would be
 > GB> appreciated.. Thanks Gill Blue

 > Gigo, in its docs, states that RA is not compliant with
 > FSC-35 standards.
 > Gigo is an alternative to Fred, works better, too.
 > Configuration isn't as
 > difficult and you only have to run one program rather than 3
 > or 4.

 > --- Renegade V07-17BETA
 >  * Origin: Standing on the wormhole Deep Space IX
 > Murfreesboro (1:116/150)
Jeremy
 I am trying to locate Gigo. Do you have it avaliable for download
Thanks Gill
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 * Origin: The Multimedia Connection Opp, Alabama [phone] (1:18/16)
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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2508
  To: HAROLD CARLSON                           Date: 02/01/94  8:44p
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusenet              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > * In a message originally to All, Gill Blue said:
 > GB>Help !
 > GB> Are there any Remote Access Sysops tossing pcusnet ? I am
 > GB>running
 > GB>RA 2.01 Frontdoor and Fmail Tosser. I have a copy of FRED.
 > GB>This suppose to be a uucp to fido gateway I think.. any help
 > GB>would be appreciated.. Thanks Gill Blue
 > GB>--- FMail 0.94
 > GB> * Origin: The Multimedia Connection Opp, Alabama (205)
 > GB>565-3394 (1:18/16)

 >
 > I was thinking about it. The Way i Was going to try was to
 > use Gigo
 > them have Fastecho toss it to an Jam Base. I feel that might
 > work.
 > will be playing with it later in the week I Hope.
 > ---
 >  * Origin: Back Woods BBS (1:322/572)
Harold

Thanks for the info. Let me know how you make out. I am banging my head
against the wall here... Tnx Gill
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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2509
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 02/01/94  8:46p
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusenet              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > > Help !
 > >  Are there any Remote Access Sysops tossing pcusnet ?
 > > I am running
 > > RA 2.01 Frontdoor and Fmail Tosser. I have a copy of
 > > FRED. This suppose to be a uucp to fido gateway I
 > > think.. any help would be appreciated.. Thanks Gill
 > > Blue

 > Get a hold of a copy of GIGO.  That's what I'm using here,
 > along with GEcho 1.02+.  GIGO has been working flawlessly for
 > me, from the moment I installed the package.   Plus Jason is
 > very helpful in answering any questions.

 > Bill

 > --- GEcho 1.02+
 >  * Origin: UTI BBS / 21.6k Dual / 19.2k Satellite / (815)
 > 942-2930 (1:2235/10)
Thanks Bill
  I am trying to locate a copy. Several other sysops have also suggested Gigo.
Does it work with the zipped pcusenet*.## file or does it work with the bag
file. Any Info would be appreciated. I am trying to toss (some) of the
Newsgroups into the message are for reading.  Tnx  Gill
--- FMail 0.94
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From: MICHAEL ERWIN                          Number: 2510
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 01/30/94  2:34p
Subj: Re: Lock with OS/2                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* Original To  : Wallace Sheldon (1:3615/50)

Hello Wally,

Sure, You have to have the dongle. No way around that. But the problem seemed
to be that if you go into your printer object settings to the output page.
You will be able to open another settings notebook by selecting on the port
with the right mouse button. Select Open.  You will notice that there is a
check box at the bottom labeled "SHARE ACCESS" select it. This will allow OS/2
to work correctly with the dongle.

Another thing, look at the card which has your printer port on it. You
should have all pins working. OS/2 2.1 likes it that way, but doesn't really
require it. v2.0 did require all pins. My LPT card has all pins working.
Yours is not if the last 4 to 7 pins is all connected together. which is the
case for most of the IDE,Floppy, Ser,Par & Game port cards. So flip the card
over and see. I don't know if this is the only differences.

Let me know

Michael Erwin
Team OS/2


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From: DEREK KOOPOWITZ                        Number: 2511
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 01/31/94 10:13p
Subj: New errorlevel drops.                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GS>THANK YOU :)  I think Ed is going to do an update to make SkyMail ignore the
  >anyway.....It was something that got overlooked since it never had happened
  >before.


Where can I get a copy of Skymail?

 ■ QMPro 1.52 ■ Dogs come when you call. Cats have answering machines.


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From: TYE HAMMERLE                           Number: 2512
  To: JOHN LYON                                Date: 01/31/94  6:33a
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JL>-> Speak for yourself.  If they're gonna do something they oughta do it
JL>-> not half-assed. Make a little *.TIC to go with the file.  If it's not

JL>   Are you another one with a $1000 satelite and a $100 HD?
JL>:-)

Nope, $1200 HD and can't afford a satellite right now.

Tye  8-)


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From: TIM JACOBS                             Number: 2513
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 01/30/94 11:56p
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > MY POINT IS!!!! - Since you are feeding mostly Fidonet styled people at
 > this point in time and I assume you are hoping that we will cough up
 > additional funds each month for usenet messages - would it not be in
 > your best interest to do some of this front end processing yourself
 > before the info goes on the BIG BIRD.

Hmmmmm.....  Might be a good idea here!!

Tim Jacobs -
 Virginia Data Exchange 804-877-3562


--- MsgToss 2.0d(beta) 02/21/93
 * Origin: Virginia Data Exchange (1:271/270)
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From: JAMES MCORMOND                         Number: 2514
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/31/94  5:03p
Subj: Re: Gmd Program And Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of Tu 25-Jan-94 20:38, Robert Hilgar wrote:

 RH> Ascii" codes are needed for blind people so that the mail can
 RH> be read for them by their equiptment. But guess what? I don't
 RH> care, if it's gonna choke my tosser, I delete the message!

Perhaps a better thing to delete would be your mail processor.

The only character that should technically not be allowed in a message is a
NULL simply because thats going to specify the end of the message.

If your mail tosser is going to crash because of an ascii character in a
message that may not "look" good, then your tosser is garbage.


---
 * Origin: Jammy's Amiga Corner,VFC,[phone](1:163/165),Z19,521-0455
(1:163/139)
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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 2515
  To: BILL WOLF                                Date: 02/01/94  6:56a
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusene               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->Get a hold of a copy of GIGO.  That's what I'm using here, along with GEcho
->1.02+.  GIGO has been working flawlessly for me, from the moment I installed
->the package.   Plus Jason is very helpful in answering any questions.

   Is this thru a DESQview environmanet by any chance?

   Chuck


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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 2516
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 02/01/94  7:00a
Subj: GEcho / WildMail / PC                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill,

   Last we talked about using GEcho to "preprocess" the mail received
   via PC, I told you of a problem where GEcho deleted the outbound
   bundles created by WildMail.

   My fix here was to tell GEcho I had a different outbound directory
   for mail bundles than the one I use for WildMail.  GEcho and WildMail
   are co-existing perfectly now thus speeding up the processing
   of the mail received via PC!

   Thanks, Chuck


--- WM v3.10/91-0206
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From: ED MARQUIS                             Number: 2517
  To: GILL BLUE                                Date: 02/01/94  5:50a
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusenet              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Help !
 >  Are there any Remote Access Sysops tossing pcusnet ? I am running
 > RA 2.01 Frontdoor and Fmail Tosser. I have a copy of FRED. This
 > suppose to be a uucp to fido gateway I think.. any help would be
 > appreciated.. Thanks Gill Blue

I am.  I use Gecho to toss but this batch file may work for you.  It runs
under 4DOS and works real well for me...  Not sure if this is the kind of
info you need but maybe it'll help someone else trying to automate the
tossing.

v:
cd\fred\spool\pcusenet
if exist v:\file\pcusenet\pcusenet.* pkunzip -o v:\file\pcusenet\pcusenet.*
if exist v:\file\pcusenet\pcusenet.* del v:\file\pcusenet\pcusenet.*

for %%m in (v:\fred\spool\pcusenet\news*.bag) do v:\fred\fred-uf -c
(line continued) v:\fred\config.nws %%m c:\file\pkt\0000%@substr[%%m,27,4].pkt
                                                                     ^^
 Edit this number to indicate the starting position of #### of the bag file
 counting the full drive:path\filename (up to "news").  In other words in
 this case it is 27 characters to get to the #### of the bag file in my
 path: v:\fred\spool\pcusenet\news####.bag  (which is where my .BAG files
 are located after being unarchived.

del *.bag

(now call your mail tosser)

Hope this helps!

Ed

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 * Origin: The Transporter Room: 8 lines 14gig! 20 CD's 704/567-9513 (1:379/1)
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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 2518
  To: JOHN LUNDELL                             Date: 02/01/94  1:22p
Subj: How In The World...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> Do you have a PROPER list one can use for PC? Can one get a copy
-> -> of it?
->
-> not sure of the specifics for WIldcat but I have one that works for P
-> importing programs and it's PC.TXT available on my BBS at 701-775-114
-> - it took me a while to compile that one <G>

      Any texted base file will work as long as the areas are defined
 with the proper names. I received one with my tosser that had all the
areas defined (about 5000) and most had a description of the area
included. I'm using the one from PC now though because it only
includes the areas that are being sent.

What I was really looking for is a list that defines each area and
displays whether the area is "moderated" allows file attaches, what
kind, whether origin lines are allowed and things of that nature. In
other words, a rundown of the rules for each group. I forsee a lot of
PO'd people with sysops setting up groups improperly. Know where such
a list can be retrieved? I would hate to think I would have to make a
post in each group asking for the rules! Yuk!  BTW, I would still like
to take a look at your list, is it Frq'able? Thanks!


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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2519
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 02/01/94  4:23p
Subj: McAfee's Virus Scanner                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi George,

30 Jan 94, 12:28, George Vandervort wrote to Thomas Beal:

 GV> I got them via the PC Satellite feed...

They all used to come in one echo called Macafee.  It doesn't appear to be
available thru PC.


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From: SEAN PEOPLES                           Number: 2520
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 02/01/94  3:33p
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Robert Hilgar wrote in a message to Sean Peoples:

 RH> We are talking about hardware, not software. Ask Harold

I was speaking of both...I've had experience with several systems...I'm not
saying I know all there is to know about speech systems, but I've never
encountered that in my experience...

 RH> Carlson, he has worked with these systems. (Look back a few
 RH> messages to see his reply to me)

I'll take a look...

Later...

--- timEd-B11
 * Origin: The .\ssylum * Cedar Hill, TX * Clinton/Barney in '96 (1:124/7026)
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From: JEFF BOWMAN                            Number: 2521
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/01/94  7:54p
Subj: Dups                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello All!

what is with all the duplicate message in this echo and many others!


<<sig.imp

 * WCE 1.5/2119 * Lead me not into temptation. I can find it myself.


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 * Origin: The Pentagon - Canton, Oh - 216-493-3522  (1:157/631)
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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2522
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 01/30/94 10:59p
Subj: Re: Gmd Program And Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RH> of the "High Ascii" codes are needed for blind people so that the mail can
RH> read for them by their equiptment. But guess what? I don't care, if it's
RH> go choke my tosser, I delete the message!

I've got a few friends that are all blind.  The high ascii doesn't do squat for
them unless they specifically tell it to.  They pleasantly ignore the high
ascii, unless they are trying to manipulate the bastardized Microsoft user
interface that uses high-ascii to mark the various radio boxes..


Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2523
  To: JEREMY HALL                              Date: 01/30/94 11:02p
Subj: Re: Help                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jeremy Hall babbled profusely in a message to John Luong:


 JH> happy with Gigo.  The author, Jason Fesler is helpful and
 JH> posts regularly in  the UFGATE echo.  Hope this helps... Oh

  Psst, Jeremy - that check is the mail.. Don't tell anyone!  =-)

Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2524
  To: JEREMY HALL                              Date: 01/31/94  9:50p
Subj: Re: How In The World...                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jeremy Hall babbled profusely in a message to Jason Fesler:

JF> solid usenet feed and running a stable gateway already, in _both_
JF> direction
JF>
 JH> On a Unix machine, in which directory might I find my site's
 JH> config file as to which groups I get?

Beats me, varies from software to software.  I don't even run UNIX as an
administrator (only as a user).  I find it to be a powerful, but primitive,
setup.


Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2525
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 02/01/94  4:47p
Subj: Re: PC & UseNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Dave Sloan babbled profusely in a message to Jason Fesler:

 DS> impressive. Too bad they don't have an OS/2 version. At
 DS> least the DOS version works well under OS/2. If they ever
 DS> get it into OS/2 then I will certainly register it.

 JF> It would cost _someone_ several hundred bucks, as the author
 JF> doesn't have the hardware or software to do it.. :-)

 DS> Tell him to send me the source code. It shouldn't take too
 DS> long to figure out.

Sorry, I do not intend on handing the source code out to anyone.  I devote too
much money _into_ the project, to give away my work like that.  I only give out
source for porting purposes etc on stuff that I wrote as freeware.

When I become rich and famoush, and can afford that OS/2 box with all of the
development materials, I'll make the OS/2 version.  Until then, it's either the
DOS box, or experiment with the OS/2 gateway progams  (UUGATE comes to mind,
but I have not actually looked at it).

Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2526
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 02/02/94  9:43p
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusenet              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > v:
 > cd\fred\spool\pcusenet
 > if exist v:\file\pcusenet\pcusenet.* pkunzip -o
 > v:\file\pcusenet\pcusenet.*
 > if exist v:\file\pcusenet\pcusenet.* del
 > v:\file\pcusenet\pcusenet.*

 > for %%m in (v:\fred\spool\pcusenet\news*.bag) do
 > v:\fred\fred-uf -c
 > (line continued) v:\fred\config.nws %%m
 > c:\file\pkt\0000%@substr[%%m,27,4].pkt
 >
 > ^^
 >  Edit this number to indicate the starting position of ####
 > of the bag file
 >  counting the full drive:path\filename (up to "news").  In
 > other words in
 >  this case it is 27 characters to get to the #### of the bag
 > file in my
 >  path: v:\fred\spool\pcusenet\news####.bag  (which is where
 > my .BAG files
 >  are located after being unarchived.

 > del *.bag

Ed
 Thanks very much for the information. I tried that batch file that you sent
me. The only thing I changed was v: to c: I have all my paths for fred the
same as your example. I get an error when it executes the fred-fu command.  It
gives me ERROR opening file c:\file\pkt\0000m,27,4].PKT for output.. Any other
suggestions.
I have my pcusenet.### IN THE C:\FILE\PCUSENET\ directory.
It unzips them and puts the bag files in the c:\fred\spool\pcusenet\
directory. Then I run into the error as I stated above.. Thanks for your
help... Gill
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From: ROGER BABLER                           Number: 2527
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/01/94  8:35p
Subj: Errors in D Link transfer               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

--> Note:
Copied (from: PCSITES) by Roger Babler using timEd.

  As of the past 3 to 4 weeks we have noticed a ever increasing amount of
errors in transmissons from the sattelite. Just have recived a new reciver
and no change (orignal one had a bad power cable connection) Many thanks   the
speedy replacement "UPS RED" with a Sat. delivery. I serve as the   Reciving
station for Dave Blum  here and then we DL the Data at night   to his BBS.  To
day (Wen.) on the first pass Aprox half of the FIDO   packets errored out the
on the second pass got aprox 4 more and ect.   this is about how it has been
going. Questions are this

  I have the dual feed on a C band system can I by changing the dip sw.
settings can the C-Band reciver be used for KU I know that the Cband   dual
feed is not the greatest but would like to try ??

  Do you send data down on bouth G-3 and G-1 C Band at the same time   or is
G-1 only a backup ??

  What is the transponder for KU and the Sattelite and polarity.

  We are using a 12 Mhz. 286 machine With a 40 Meg hard drive acess time   is
28 ms. do we need to upgrade or is this OK know the 40 meg is   geting full on
busy days.

  If there is a Known trouble at the up-link it would be nice if a small   text
file be inserted in the UPLD.LST w/a approtate name such as   Sys_dn.Txt so we
could be alerted of a trouble. Would save a few phone   calls to PC Connect.

  Also it seems that file transfer rates to get missed FIDO have been rather
slow only 600 cps.

   ANY CLUES AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON !!




   Thank You
           Roger  A. Babler

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 2528
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/02/94  6:36a
Subj: pcfu                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 * Message originally:
     From: John Morano
     To  : All
     Date: 02-02-94
     Area: "PCSITES"

 * Forwarded by John Morano using RemoteAccess 2.01/Professional (250 node)

PCFU additions and fixes to date. Freq. PCFU on 1:391\1180

And I'm working on adding -f (filespec) support to the DUP command, See Jay
I do read my netmail.....  and go Hmmmmmmm......    ;-)

John...


01-29-94   PCFU199D      Installed support for IBM DOS 6.10
                         Installed support for IBM Dos 5.00

                         Fix bug that was leaving behind some temp files
                         that would cause a system crash on fire up.
                         (Thanks Joe Lyda)

                         Increased DUP check function speed by 200%

01-30-94   PCFU199E      Got the Pre-Tic function working if the -p
                         switch is use with the -fTIC filespec a text
                         message called PTIC.MSG will be created in
                         the current INDEX directory with a listing
                         of the tic'ed files and the discriptions.
                         This is an appended file and will continue to
                         grow each time you use the -fTic function.
                         so do someting with is and then delete it. ;-)

02-01-94   PCFU199F      Fixed bug in the RECEIVED.NOT and FREQTHEM.NOW
                         file creation routines. This will also fix the
                         problem with the RUNBBS.NOW file not being
                         created when the RECEIVED.NOT file was empty.

                         Added log file culling support for the PMOV.LOG
                         and UPLDMSTR.LOG.

                         Fixed a bug in the 12:xxAM<>12:xxPM file time
                         conversion routine (Thanks Dave Petrucci)

                         Added a routine to create a text file called
                         P-ALARM.MSG in the current INDEX directory if a file
                         is moved to the SAFE directory. I will be using this
                         for other things in the future.

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2529
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 02/02/94  1:38p
Subj: GEcho / WildMail / PC                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Bill,
->
->    Last we talked about using GEcho to "preprocess" the mail received
->    via PC, I told you of a problem where GEcho deleted the outbound
->    bundles created by WildMail.
->
->    My fix here was to tell GEcho I had a different outbound directory
->    for mail bundles than the one I use for WildMail.  GEcho and WildM
->    are co-existing perfectly now thus speeding up the processing
->    of the mail received via PC!


great....   glad you got it fixed...  I knew it would be
something simple (g)....    it always is, unfortunately,
and when I finally stumble on it, it has a tendency to
humble me (g)....

cheers..

Bill..


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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 2530
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 02/02/94  5:14p
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusene               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >->Get a hold of a copy of GIGO.  That's what I'm using here, along with GEcho
 >->1.02+.  GIGO has been working flawlessly for me, from the moment I installe
 > d
 >->the package.   Plus Jason is very helpful in answering any questions.

 >    Is this thru a DESQview environmanet by any chance?

No.  I haven't even been able to get PC to work under DV! <grin>. Just through
a novell enviroment..   It's on the server for novell lite.

Bill

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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 2531
  To: GILL BLUE                                Date: 02/02/94  5:59p
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusenet              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GB> > > Help !
GB> > >  Are there any Remote Access Sysops tossing pcusnet ?
GB> > Get a hold of a copy of GIGO.  That's what I'm using here,
GB>  I am trying to locate a copy. Several other sysops have
GB>also suggested Gigo. Does it work with the zipped
GB>pcusenet*.## file or does it work with the bag file. Any Info


You need to manually, unzip the pcusenet files, and then run GIGO.  Atleast
that's what I'm doing over here.  I beleive that a version of GIGO was just
hatched over the sdn.

You can also try getting it directly from Jason's system.  1:203/7707.   File
request 'GIGO'.

Hope this helps!

Take Care,
Bill

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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 2532
  To: ALL                                      Date: 01/23/94  4:41p
Subj: Mail Processing                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Does anyone have any suggestions on a batch file or is there a program
out there to do my mail processing automatically for me?

For example:  If the planet connect computer exits to a mail processing
batch file at a specific time each day, and does this.....
C:
CD C:\FD\INBOUND
COPY Y:\SKY\FILES\0000ffff.fr*
CD C:\FD\UTILS
TOSSRBBS

It will pick up Friday's mail, and toss it, yet, how about the packets
that are marked *.FRA, *.FRB, etc.?  The Mail Tosser doesn't acknowledge
that they even exist.  Also, how can I tell the system to only copy over
and process mail for that specific day, and ignore the resending of the
previous day's mail?

Thanks in advance.

--jah

... The Twilight Zone BBS * ASP HUB BBS #3 * MidCentral USA
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From: JOHN HRUSOVSZKY                        Number: 2533
  To: PAUL MALLETT                             Date: 01/26/94  9:26p
Subj: Re: New Here                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JH>> Yeah...and the flood of OS/2 files coming down is a pain to
JH>> sort through also.

 PM> Well, I suppose it depends on your perspective.  Personally,
 PM> I'd be happy if every file that came down the pipe was for
 PM> OS/2. ;> The Fernwood OS/2 filenet areas are one of the main
 PM> reasons I got involved with Planet Connect in the first place.
 PM> As we're finding out in this area, everyone is interested in
 PM> this thing for different reasons. It makes for some excited and
 PM> energetic sysops.

Yes, that is quite understandable.  But, for those of us who are
die-hard DOS fans, and don't want to switch to OS/2 or carry OS/2 files
on our systems, is there a way to filter these out without uncompressing
them and looking at them?

--jah

... Precinct Toilet Stolen ... Police have Nothing to Go On.
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From: THOMAS BEAL                            Number: 2534
  To: GEORGE VANDERVORT                        Date: 01/31/94  6:08p
Subj: McAfee's Virus Scanner                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GV> Look in these file areas...

GV> 1. UTILNET2
GV>        SCANV111.ZIP
GV>        CLEAN111.ZIP
GV>        VSH111.ZIP

They must have came in when my receiver died.  :-(  Thanks for the reply



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From: DAN COOK                               Number: 2535
  To: FRED HATFIELD                            Date: 02/01/94  3:02p
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 FH> I'm simply guessing that the number of messages
 FH> would be proportional to the number of nodes that
 FH> are accessible to the network.

Internet is not Usenet and Usenet is not Internet.  The number of internet
nodes is not directly related to the amount of Usenet traffic.  Also, a good
number of those Fidonet nodes are in other zones a good portion of whose
echomail traffic never sees the North American backbone.  Internet users also
tend to use E-mail and mailing lists more than Fidonetters, reducing news group
traffic at least a tad.  You might be amazed at how much of the Usenet traffic
consists of useless UUENCODEd .GIFs and the like.  You can imagine what traffic
would be like if Fidonet UUENCODEd the Filebone and sent it out over a few
echos.  Traffic is more like Usenet 15 : Fidonet 1 though, isn't it?

- Dan

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From: MURRY FRANCIS                          Number: 2536
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 02/02/94  4:51a
Subj: QWK's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

<=> Robert Hilgar Was Heard Saying This To Boyd Goodin:
RH>but why don't you get rid of all the QWK netowrks, TV junk
RH>and Weather files that I'm sure the _majority_ here don't
  I say get rid of the USEnet also...........don't hate me.
RH>(  I'm now preparing for the hate mail :-(  )
  Me too:+)

Murry

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From: MIKE LESTER                            Number: 2537
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 02/02/94  8:01a
Subj: NOTICE!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Chris Wiesner wrote in a message to Glenn Caleval:

 > Is WGA on the bird? I seem to recall seeing a WGAMail file at some
 > point. If it is that would be a real bonus to a couple of my users
 > who are serious genealogical hobbiests.

CW> Hi Glenn,


CW> every now and then I see WGAMAIL.ZIP come in via PC.
CW> However, I'm not sure yet how often and how reliable the
CW> pre-PC feed is. (440:121/99?) We'll have to wait till Boyd
CW> lets us know the official story. I at one point converted
CW> over, but then nothing came in for a while. Now it's here
CW> again.

CW> Boyd, what's the scoop on WGA? Is it going to come in daily,
CW> weekly,,, or what? WGA is my last landline network...I want
CW> to dump it asap!

   I uplink the wgamail, and i wait for the landline site to drop off
   mail here to uplink it. he has been having a bit of trouble the last
   couple of weeks, getting the AKA zone number to work properly. i will
   probally go over to his house this weekend and help set squish up for
   him. once thats done, we should have nightly uplinks of any new
   wgamail. for now, i have to process whatever he give me in the
   non-secure mode of squish, manually. because he has an incorrect node
   number in the from packet. we are still working the kinks out...


   Hope this helps...

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From: MIKE LESTER                            Number: 2538
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 02/02/94  9:37a
Subj: NOTICE!                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Glenn Caleval wrote in a message to Chris Wiesner:

 > weekly,,, or what? WGA is my last landline network...I want to
 > dump it asap!

GC> If it gets on the bird reliably I (well, my system) will
GC> join immediately :-)

   O yea, btw, WGA changed their zone address in the last couple of weeks
   to 440:

   Still causing a few problems with "other" net numbers showing up...

   Its fixed here...

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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 2539
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 02/03/94  1:42p
Subj: UpCheck                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Al!

Friday January 28 1994, Al Hays writes to All:

 AH> Pursuant to the "blank" line problem that was discovered in UPLD.LST, a
 AH> fixed version of UPCHECK is immediately available as UPCHK05B.ZIP, 13k,

 AH> MagicName: UPCHECK.

 AH> UPCHECK ver .05ß

 AH> Checks a list of directories contained in UPCHECK.CFG for files listed
 AH> in a filelist.  This is a very simple program.  If you are capable of
 AH> running a Planet Connect system, you should have no problem figuring out
 AH> how to use UPCHECK.

 AH> Regards,

 AH> Al

 AH> -+- DB 1.53/002765
 AH>  + Origin: Mystic Pharos - 16.8k HST/V.32 terbo 21.6k (1:363/89)


Al, How about adding code to check PCUtils program's dupe index file, i.e. have
upcheck check files in a inbound directory against PCUtil's idx-dup file?

This way upcheck can check all files against the upld.lst like you have
implemented, but also check files not found against the dupe list from
PCUtil's!

This way a sysop could upon errorlevel exit from you program could note the
files not found error, setup a flag file and then go toss the stuff (which
involves moving the files out of the inbound directory), and restart ptccmain
again later after tossing to get those missing files, but this time when
exiting and calling upcheck,  the other previously found files would no longer
be there in the inbound directory and would show up as files not found because
they were tossed.

If upcheck checked PCUtil's dupe index then you would know that the file has
previously been found and recieved and tossed. Thereby allowing faster tossing
of files to your system, and later you can go get those missing files again
from the dish.

I'm still trying to think this one out, but you would want to make this a
option, as for now I am cycling back into ptccmain to get those missing files,
but it involves another 3 to 4 hour downtime going to get them.

For those who multi-task, they could toss the files and meanwhile run another
batch to relink to the disk to get the missing files.

Dupes found would of course be deleted by PCUtil.

Of course if would be nice if ptccmain would allow specifying either all files
to get, or just certain file names then exit. This could be specified to
ptccmain with a switch command.


What do you think?


Russell

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From: MICHAEL ERWIN                          Number: 2540
  To: ROGER BABLER                             Date: 02/03/94  4:20p
Subj: Errors in D Link transfer               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello,

We had the same problems, we were using a 386sx-16 2mb, 16k cache.
I upgraded it to a 386sx33 2mb, 16kcache. Works like a charm now.

Michael Erwin
TEAM OS/2


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From: ERIC FISHER                            Number: 2541
  To: SEAN PEOPLES                             Date: 02/03/94 12:55a
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Sean Peoples wrote in a message to Russell Naber:

 RN> Thanks for the response, let's me know two-way links are now
 RN> okay.

 SP> Yep, that they are...

 RN> Time to start responding to all those messages from all
 RN> those echos courtesy of Planet Connect. <g> (thanks Boyd)

 SP> Hehe..No doubt...I'm tied in by land-line, but who knows,
 SP> maybe someday I'll have a dish...:-)

You don't have to be, Sean.  124/2106 is collecting the full feed and is
available to anyone in Net124 who wants to sample satellite mail.

=Eric
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2542
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 02/04/94 11:27p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Jan 28, Guy VanDell of 1:116/80 wrote to Tom Haavisto:

 GV> GMD works on netmail right?

Wrong.  It only checks the integrity of the packet comtaining them.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2543
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 02/04/94 11:28p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Jan 31, Al Hays of 1:363/89 wrote to Dave Petrucci:

 AH> Pardon me, Dave, but the *ONLY* Policy document in force in
 AH> FidoNet is POLICY4 ... period.

And the Gateway Policy ... period.

 AH> *NO* *ONE* has the right to stop, or delete, in-transit echomail
 AH> due to the existenance of these charachters and *ANYONE* who does
 AH> so is in clear violation of POLICY4.

Only if they have agreed to handle such mail to start with.  As per P4, mail
can only be routed by agreement.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2544
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 02/04/94 11:32p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Jan 27, Glenn Caleval of 1:140/72@fidonet wrote to Tom Haavisto:

 GC> Perhaps you should *carefully* read the actual specs as they have
 GC> been promulgated by the FTSC. The vast majority of stuff that GMD
 GC> can be configured to delete is totally *within* spec and no one
 GC> has any business deleting it. In fact, I think there are only two
 GC> configurable options in GMD that actually have anything to do
 GC> with the formal specs at all.

Name the two then I'll name a few others to show some that you missed.

 GC> The specs also *explictly* provide that software
 GC> should be able to cope with unlimited msg size.

"Explictly"?  Please provide a quote.

 TH> When a message has multiple origin lines, this tells
 TH> me that something bad happened to it.

 GC> Have you ever wondered how what you think are "grunged" msgs
 GC> managed to make it through the many systems enroute to your
 GC> system without breaking anyone elses software?

Messages with multiple origin lines are generally dupes, not grunged.

 GC> So the software used on the *end* node should be capable of
 GC> modifying, or deleting the msgs that offend that given end node.
 GC> Those who are supposed to MOVE the MAIL have no business deleting
 GC> that which they have agreed to move.

I agree fully.  The Backbone has requested that "strange" characters not be
used in the control fields.

 GC> This hobby is about communicating, not deleting communication.

You can't have effective communications when the noise level gets too high.

 GC> If you have deleted any mail that was not intended to end its
 GC> journey on your own system, without notifying the originator of
 GC> that msg, you ARE in violation of Policy 4.x

That's a very common, but incorrect, statement.  Does your mail processor
delete dupes?  How does it identify a message as a dupe?  Does it use ANY
method other than the seen-bys?  Where in the specs is this method defined?

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2545
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 02/04/94 11:44p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Jan 30, Glenn Caleval of 1:140/72@fidonet wrote to Dave Petrucci:

 GC> I am not unsympathetic to people who run software that cannot
 GC> cope with various things like large masgs or high ascii. But
 GC> there are two simple facts: 1) such people are in a tiny minority
 GC> position and 2) there are relatively trivial ways for them to
 GC> cope with the problem on *their*own* system without imposing
 GC> their limitations on everyone else.

"Tiny minority".  Most of the mail processors I'm familiar with will not handle
a message of unlimited size.  Will yours?

 GC> The reason the specs were written as open and not constrictive
 GC> was to allow inovation while maintaining basic compatibility.

That might be correct with respect to FTS-0001 but it certainly doesn't apply
to FTS-0004.  FTS-0004 wasn't written to be a spec at all.  It was taken from
the ConfMail doc's.  As a standard it's a joke.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2546
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 02/04/94 11:53p
Subj: Gmd                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Feb 03, Al Hays of 1:363/89 wrote to Robert Hilgar:

 AH> That's fine and dandy ... but since high ASCII codes are in
 AH> complete compliance with FTS, ...

Characters with the "hi bit" (the 8th bit) aren't ASCII at all.  If you
disagree then I challenge you to send me a copy of the ASCII spec that says so.
 My copy of the spec lists only 7 bit characters.

So, if you are truly interested in compliance with specs then you should stop
using nonstandard terms like "high ASCII".

John
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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2547
  To: DEREK KOOPOWITZ                          Date: 02/02/94  5:55p
Subj: New errorlevel drops.                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Derek Koopowitz wrote in a message to Greg Shaffer:

GS>THANK YOU :)  I think Ed is going to do an update to make SkyMail ignore the
  >anyway.....It was something that got overlooked since it never had happened
  >before.

DK> Where can I get a copy of Skymail?

It was sent over the bird but if you werent around then you can get it here as
SKYMAIL.ZIP

[e-mail]

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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2548
  To: [e-mail]                       Date: 01/30/94  4:13a
Subj: Value Added Service                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <28 Jan 94  14:04:24>, [e-mail] (1:282/31) writes:

 bA>The majority of subscribers are Fidonet people because that's what is
 bA>currently the only thing being fed reliably. Usenet is over 10 times
 bA>the size of Fidonet and I bet that if Planet Connect came up with a
 bA>receiver that could be connected to a unix system, once usenet is being
 bA>fed reliably, they'll eventually have alot more usenet subscribers than
 bA>Fidonet subscribers.

I'm new at this, so my assumptions could be way out of line....

If Usenet access is available to Internet nodes, then Usenet would be more than
*1000* times greater than Fidonet rather than only 10 times.  According to The
Online User's Encyclopedia on page 100, the size of each is as follows:

Network           Size

Internet        2,000,000
FidoNet         22,000
RIME            1,200
ILINK           250
FrEdMail        200
BITNET          3,500
OneNet          200
SmartNet        250
InfoLink        5
WWIVNet         4,000
UUCP            15,000

I'm simply guessing that the number of messages would be proportional to the
number of nodes that are accessible to the network.

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: BRIAN DHATT                            Number: 2549
  To: PAUL MALLETT                             Date: 01/24/94  8:47p
Subj: Sorting                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

22 Jan 94 15:25, Paul Mallett wrote to Tim Jacobs:

 PM> This is a fault/feature of OS/2, not of the Planet Connect
 PM> software. OS/2 does not allow for direct access to hardware
 PM> dongles. It's certainly conveivable that IBM could change that,
 PM> but in the mean time there is nothing that can be done, except
 PM> remove the dongle check. :>

Supposedly, the Senteniel dongles have support for OS/2.  I think they are by
Rainbow Technologies.  If you want the number, let me know and I'll look it up.

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From: BILL OXNER                             Number: 2550
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 01/30/94  4:02p
Subj: footprint                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

   Can you tell me how far south the satellite footprint reaches?  Central
America?  South America?  Are BBS's in those areas able to subscribe?

bill

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From: HAROLD CARLSON                         Number: 2551
  To: GILL BLUE                                Date: 01/31/94  5:04p
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusenet              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to All, Gill Blue said:
 GB>Help !
 GB> Are there any Remote Access Sysops tossing pcusnet ? I am
 GB>running
 GB>RA 2.01 Frontdoor and Fmail Tosser. I have a copy of FRED.
 GB>This suppose to be a uucp to fido gateway I think.. any help
 GB>would be appreciated.. Thanks Gill Blue
 GB>--- FMail 0.94
 GB> * Origin: The Multimedia Connection Opp, Alabama (205)
 GB>565-3394 (1:18/16)


I was thinking about it. The Way i Was going to try was to use Gigo
them have Fastecho toss it to an Jam Base. I feel that might work.
will be playing with it later in the week I Hope.
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From: DAN WILLIAMSON                         Number: 2552
  To: JEREMY HALL                              Date: 02/01/94  4:56p
Subj: Re: How In The World...                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jeremy Hall wrote:

JH> On a Unix machine, in which directory might I find my site's
JH> config file as to which groups I get?

Try in /usr/lib/news ....... the file is 'active'.

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From: MARK KRIEG                             Number: 2553
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 02/01/94  7:06p
Subj: QWK's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RE: QWK's
BY: Robert Hilgar to Boyd Goodin on Mon Jan 31 1994 08:27 am

 > Everyone here will probably want to kill me for saying it, but why don't you
 > get rid of all the QWK netowrks, TV junk and Weather files that I'm sure the
 > _majority_ here don't use. Then we would be able to get more cycles per day
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I wouldn't agree with this. If I wanted nothing but a full Usenet
feed, I would have signed up with the PageSat system, it was
BECAUSE Planet Connect has such a variety, and a willingness to
send up everything they could get their hand on, that sold me on
this system!

I personally LOVE all this stuff pooring into my drives. I don't
mind doing a "ECHO Y|DEL *.*" now and then to clean it off... sure
beats calling long distance for it!!!!!!

 > (and maybe a "FULL Usenet feed) until there is a faster way to downlink to u
 > Receiving all the Fido and Usenet stuff is more of a priority than the other
 > things anyway.
 >
 > (  I'm now preparing for the hate mail :-(  )

This isn't hate mail... just think of it as... "to let you know
how I feel mail"  <grin>
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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 2554
  To: DEAN WEST                                Date: 01/31/94  7:23p
Subj: RE: PC QUESTIONS                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > As I to am looking into setting up a Sat downlink, where can someone
 > get a copy of the Canadian price list. Would rather buy Canadian to
 > avoid all the hassle of getting it over the border.

Look in the nodelist for David E. Smith at Westonia Computers in Weston,
Ontario. I can't recall his node address,,,, something like 250/???

Regards



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From: GEORGE LAFRENIERE                      Number: 2555
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/02/94  8:04p
Subj: Network list                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

    Boyd,

      I understand that you do not publish a list of networks that are
using Planet Connect to distribute their mail. I find that hard to
believe, since such a list would only promote the futhur use of the
system to new nets and sysops. A list of current networks published once
a week here in this conference would be of great help. As an RC for
two of the nets that currently use the system I find that such a list
would be benificial to me as well.

      I am told by the local dish owner that he can not get such a
list either. That surprises me.
                                     George


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From: [e-mail]                     Number: 2556
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/04/94  7:09a
Subj: How In The World...                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

From: [e-mail] (Bryan Halvorson)
Newsgroups: tdkt-fido.planet-connect
Subject: How In The World...
Organization: Electronics 101. Apple Valley, MN
Reply-To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>,
Sean Peoples <[e-mail]> wrote:
> following up a message from Jason Fesler to Jeremy Hall:
>
>  JH> On a Unix machine, in which directory might I find my site's
>  JH> config file as to which groups I get?
>
> /usr/uucp/admin
>
> I think...
>
> The filename should be 'active'

If the system is running c-news look for

/usr/lib/news/active
or
/usr/local/lib/news/active

If it's running INN try

/usr/local/news/newsgroups

--
Bryan Halvorson                [e-mail]
N0BUU                          [e-mail]

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From: KEN KAVANAGH                           Number: 2557
  To: MICHAEL ERWIN                            Date: 02/05/94  2:32a
Subj: Lock with OS/2                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

      On Sunday January 30 1994, Michael Erwin writes to Wallace Sheldon:

Hello Michael!

 ME> Sure, You have to have the dongle. No way around that. But the problem
 ME> seemed to be that if you go into your printer object settings to the
 ME> output page. You will be able to open another settings notebook by
 ME> selecting on the port with the right mouse button. Select Open.  You will
 ME> notice that there is a check box at the bottom labeled "SHARE ACCESS"
 ME> select it. This will allow OS/2 to work correctly with the dongle.

 ME> Another thing, look at the card which has your printer port on it. You
 ME> should have all pins working. OS/2 2.1 likes it that way, but doesn't
 ME> really require it. v2.0 did require all pins. My LPT card has all pins
 ME> working. Yours is not if the last 4 to 7 pins is all connected together.
 ME> which is the case for most of the IDE,Floppy, Ser,Par & Game port cards.
 ME> So flip the card over and see. I don't know if this is the only
 ME> differences.

I set it all up and the silly pccmain software just exited immediately upon
execution closing the window behind it..i played with it for a bunch of hours
and figered something was screwy..what are you session settings?  I couldnt do
it. :(
Cheers, Ken

...And today will go down in history as Saturday February 05 1994

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From: EMMETT PERDUE                          Number: 2558
  To: GILL BLUE                                Date: 02/03/94  3:10p
Subj: Remote Access and Pc                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


GB> I am trying to locate Gigo. Do you have it avaliable for download
GB> Thanks Gill

Got it here Gill...come on in and get it, you have the numbers...<G>

Emmett
   MegaMail 2.10 #905:A SPITFIRE Support BBS Since 1990
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From: MARK KRIEG                             Number: 2559
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/05/94 12:32p
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as a
hub fee for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

Thanks...

...............................................................
. Mark Krieg    . YorkNet:  @route:nethost1, 500:500/1        .
. Cool Baby BBS . FidoNet:  1:270/612.0            |""""|     .
. York, Pa USA  . Internet: [e-mail] | ^^ |     .
. 717-751-0855  . RelayNet: 5244                  [( Oo )]    .
...............................................oOO..(__)..OOo..
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From: JOHN LYON                              Number: 2560
  To: TYE HAMMERLE                             Date: 02/07/94  4:31a
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> JL>-> Nope, $1200 HD and can't afford a satellite right now.
->
-> JL> Yer sure doin' a lot of screaming for someone that doesn't even
-> JL> have the service.
->
-> Didn't realize having the service was a requirement for voicing an op

   Saying their operation is "half-assed" sounded a little more like
   screaming than an opinion to be, but opinions are like assholes,
   everyone has one :)

-> Actually I haven't screamed at all, yet.  :)  Our NET is probably goi
-> getting hooked up to PC pretty soon. I may be moving in the next year
-> an area where PC might be the best alternative. I'd sure like to see
-> with PC run smooth and no little burps introduced by someone or someo
-> either end trying to do everyone a 'favor'. While I appreciate the th
-> would be much better if the actions were completely carried out with
-> to how files are processed on the end users systems, i.e. my system a
-> yours.

   There are always little burps....in anything, you should know that by
   now. PC has been here only months and it has come a long way and will
   get nothing but better. There hasn't been a week where I haven't had
   to write a new batch file or change a config to compensate for
   something new. Yes it's a pain, but still worth it. Someday PC
   will be all setup to everyones satisfaction. PC is something totally
   new and offering so many things, it's gonna take patience and time
   to work everything out.....not yelling.

   I've noticed since all the dummies yelled about the 30 megs of games
   that Boyd was kind enough to just throw in, nothing else has came
   down like that again. I can't believe that someone would hook a
   computer up to a satelite that transmits at 19000 24 hrs a day and
   use a 40 meg HD, then have the gonades to yell his drive filled up!
   If you can't play with the big boys...you should take your marbles
   and go home.....That's MY Opinion...and not necessarily directed at
   you.

   I bought PC for myself and my system and I'm taking/processing
   everything that comes down the pike! A nice perk was I'm now
   feeding my (Fido) Net and have reduced thier cost by about 80%.
   I haven't heard one bitch from them.

-> I'd guess, and I could be wrong, that most systems use a file
-> that utilizes *.TIC's to toss them to the right place. Nothing is mor
-> aggravating than getting files without *.TIC's and having to either p
-> them manually or look at each to see what it is then delete it. Grant
-> are ways around this with little batch files and DIZ processors but t
-> unecessarily to the already complex stuff we have to do.

   Writing batch files has never been too complex...actually, it's
   kinda fun and satisfying to make everything work!

-> To add insult
-> injury the SDN weenies are distributing .ARJ files with .SDN extensio
-> find it hard to believe they actually sat down and thought that up. B
-> my system when I get twenty files ticked in and ALLFIX doesn't know w
-> with them. We get a semi standard way of doing business and some grou
-> to go off on their own.......wellp you got me there, ranting on about
-> nothing.. but I feel better now...  :)  Now I gotta figure out how to
-> processing the *.SDN files. Got any ideas, other than DEL *.SDN ?

   Allfix doesn't sound like an apprapo name then does it? :)
   Why would you want to change the SDN files? Add bbs comments?
   Take AV stamps out?  ???


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From: FRED WHITTOM                           Number: 2561
  To: ROBERT HILGAR                            Date: 02/02/94  4:33a
Subj: QWK's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hello Boyd!
->
-> Everyone here will probably want to kill me for saying it, but why do
-> get rid of all the QWK netowrks, TV junk and Weather files that I'm s
-> _majority_ here don't use. Then we would be able to get more cycles p
-> (and maybe a "FULL Usenet feed) until there is a faster way to downli
-> Receiving all the Fido and Usenet stuff is more of a priority than th
-> things anyway.
->
-> (  I'm now preparing for the hate mail :-(  )
->
->                           Cheers,
->                                      Robert
Maybe other people think the other  stuff is junk and want the QWK
packets only, ever think about that?
Fred


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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2562
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 02/07/94  1:55a
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Feb 06, Floyd Drennon of 1:375/14 wrote to John Souvestre:

 JS> And the Gateway Policy ... period.

 FD> When was that ratified as required by P4?

I don't know, Floyd.  It was before my time.  I understand that the IC does
consider it "in effect".

John
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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2563
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 02/06/94  6:52a
Subj: Qwk's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message Mike Labbe to Robert Hilgar it was said:

 ML> Hell, where did I put that shotgun? <smile>  The upcoming
 ML> Usenet service may be a priority for you, but for me Fido
 ML> and RIME are the priorities and the QWK networks are a very
 ML> valuable and money saving proposition. (i use Pagesat for
 ML> Usenet news)  The little bandwidth that they use is a good
 ML> investment.  The "majority" probably uses Fido, since it was
 ML> their first offering.

With these QWK's and such I am receiving now... Can a mail processor handle
these?  I honestly do not know... I have always associated such files
extentions with offline readers... Pardon my ignorance in this matter!

Rds,
-=Don=-


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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2564
  To: TYE HAMMERLE                             Date: 02/06/94  2:44p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



-> unecessarily to the already complex stuff we have to do.  To add insu
-> injury the SDN weenies are distributing .ARJ files with .SDN extensio
-> find it hard to believe they actually sat down and thought that up. B
-> my system when I get twenty files ticked in and ALLFIX doesn't know w
-> with them. We get a semi standard way of doing business and some grou
-> to go off on their own.......wellp you got me there, ranting on about
-> nothing.. but I feel better now...  :)  Now I gotta figure out how to
-> processing the *.SDN files. Got any ideas, other than DEL *.SDN ?

if you don't have a severe attitude problem, your messages
certainly do come off that way.....

as for the SDN weenies distributing .ARJ files with .SDN
extension, that has been going on for quite some time...
and prior to that those SDN weenies were distributing .PAK
files with .SDN extension.....

if you would take the trouble to find out if there might be
a reason for this before flying off at the mouth, responses
would probably not contain the vitriol so evident in your messages...

and yes, I do have an idean other than DEL .SDN...

how about     FORMAT C:

as a less destructive alternative, you might take a quick
course on manners....

cheers....

Bill...


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From: MICHAEL ERWIN                          Number: 2565
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 02/05/94  3:08p
Subj: RUNNING ON OS/2                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Wallace,

Open the port object and set SHARED ACCESS to On.

This worked for me, but also beware that OS/2 2.0 likes all the LPT lines to
be there. OS/2 2.1GA likes that they be there also but doesn't require them.
Some of the cheaper LPT cards shorts pins 18-25 on the DB-25 & some of the
lower grade LPT cables do the same thing.

If you still have problems contact me.

.\\ichael
OS/2 Accredited
TEAM OS/2


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From: RALPH LOBIANCO                         Number: 2566
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/07/94  5:52a
Subj: Charge                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as a hub fee
-> for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

It all depends on how many nodes are picking up mail from us. But the cost is
split even between all nodes..

Ralph

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2567
  To: JASON FESLER                             Date: 02/07/94  7:17p
Subj: Re: Gmd Program And Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jason Fesler wrote in a message to Robert Hilgar:

JF> I've got a few friends that are all blind.  The high ascii
JF> doesn't do squat for them unless they specifically tell it
JF> to.  They pleasantly ignore the high ascii, unless they are

    Hi Jason.  That may be true for many blind users, but I don't think all
adaptive equipment is the same in terms of capabilities, and part- icularly so
if they're having to use older equipment.  Kind of the same concept as that not
all computers are capable of displaying ANSI codes, most notably older non-DOS
computers and/or operating systems.  Kind of boils down to the effect of trying
to comply with the least common denominator to allow the majority of systems
and users to participate & interact within Cyberspace.


                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 2568
  To: RUSSELL NABER                            Date: 02/07/94  6:41a
Subj: UpCheck                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RN> Al, How about adding code to check PCUtils program's dupe
RN> index file, i.e. have
RN> upcheck check files in a inbound directory against PCUtil's
RN> idx-dup file?

Russell, From the sound of your message you missed the announcement about PCFU
the replacement program for PCUtils, you can freq it here using the magic name
PCFU, I think you will be pleasently surprised what it will do.

John

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From: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                    Number: 2569
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/07/94  6:00p
Subj: Nodediff.A35                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Has Nodediff.A35 made it to the Planet Connect yet?

It's 3 days late... Nodediff.A28 was two days late when it came in, and I
vaguely remember Nodediff.A14 being late as well but can't remember exactly how
late.

Sheesh... Landline delivery of the nodediff's were usually on time...

Is this what we call progress? <-grin->

                                             -=<-Katherine->=-
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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 2570
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/07/94  9:31p
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Characters with the "hi bit" (the 8th bit) aren't ASCII at all.  If
 > you disagree then I challenge you to send me a copy of the ASCII
 > spec that says so.  My copy of the spec lists only 7 bit characters.

You are correct in this regard. The 'standard' ASCII set goes from 0-127
decimal. Anything above 127 is considered 'block graphic' or 'special'
character set. It is my undertsanding, though, that Fido permits the special
character set, but is not encouraged because some technologies do not support
these.. I'm sure that a quick look in P4 will set things right.

Regards


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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2571
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/07/94 11:47a
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mark Krieg writes:

 MK> I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging
 MK> as a  hub fee for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

We plan on switching; once switched, and after the hardware is paid off (should
take about 3 months, at $2/mo per node), we plan on dropping the cost to fifty
cents a month.

It's nice to be in a large net, with a _working CRP.. :-)

Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: JASON FESLER                           Number: 2572
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/07/94 11:46a
Subj: GIGO (Was: Remote Access and Pcusenet)  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Bill Wolf writes:

 BW> But I don't know how well GIGO works under DV, as I'm not
 BW> running it here..   This Lan system does work much better
 BW> than it probably would of under Desqview.

There is a support forum available for GIGO; contact me for details.  There are
_several_ people running DV and GIGO at the same time.  One thing to make sure
is that you are giving GIGO the EMS it wants, in your DV setup.  Leaving the
field blank is not good enough. :-)


Jason Fesler
[e-mail]
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From: HARRY MOYLES                           Number: 2573
  To: TBBS SYSOPS                              Date: 02/06/94  2:05p
Subj: PIMP AND PC INTERNET                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I would like to know who is using pimp and pc internet files. How hard was it
to set up? Who do you have to talk to, to get a internet name? Do you get a
internet name for the bbs and one for your self?
Is Planet Connect going to accept internet uploads soon? I heard that pc was
going to charge 20.00 amonth extra for internet stuff any truth to it? Will
they issue names or do I have to go to a gate??
Thanks harry..

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From: MICHAEL REEVES                         Number: 2574
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/07/94  8:02a
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MK>I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as a
  >hub fee for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

MK>Thanks...

MK>...............................................................
  >. Mark Krieg    . YorkNet:  @route:nethost1, 500:500/1        .
  >. Cool Baby BBS . FidoNet:  1:270/612.0            |""""|     .
  >. York, Pa USA  . Internet: [e-mail] | ^^ |     .
  >. 717-751-0855  . RelayNet: 5244                  [( Oo )]    .
  >...............................................oOO..(__)..OOo..
  >---
  > * Origin: Cool Baby BBS * York, PA * 717-751-0855 * (1:270/612)

$5.00 a month for small/normal size net. for big net $2.50 a month per
downlink for echos

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From: DARREN HANSON                          Number: 2575
  To: PAUL CORMIER                             Date: 02/07/94  2:26p
Subj: UseNet newgroups                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Could someone give me a list of some sort of UseNet newsgroups
 > that Planet Connect caries?

I doubt it. I've been trying to get such a list for weeks myself with
absolutely no luck whatsoever! But if you do happen to get one, let me know so
I can come get a copy, okay?
__
\/ dj

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From: DAVID UNFRIED                          Number: 2576
  To: TRACY MICKLEY                            Date: 02/07/94  5:03p
Subj: SATELLITE DISH/PLANNET CONNECT          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tracy!

Sunday January 23 1994 18:33, Tracy Mickley wrote to David Unfried:

 TM> ask for Boyd or Jerry since then if he answers. PC's biggest issue with
 TM> the article was that they all had to go out and buy new crayons for
 TM> the installation doc's. <chuckle>

I know Jim (the person in our net with the dish) was grumping for days. :-)

David

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From: DAVID UNFRIED                          Number: 2577
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 02/07/94  5:05p
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave!

Sunday January 23 1994 16:25, Dave Petrucci wrote to David Unfried:

 DP> David,
 DP>        If you have any questions go ahead and ask.

Thanks. Exactly how the newsgroup feed would work and would a return path be
established has been one of my questions.... I guess it is a lot of other
peoples.

David

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From: DAVID UNFRIED                          Number: 2578
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/07/94  5:16p
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mark!

Saturday February 05 1994 12:32, Mark Krieg wrote to All:

 MK> I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as a
 MK> hub fee for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

Our net charges a flat $5 a month unlimited traffic payable quarterly.
This amount was established based on landline (phone) charges a few years ago.
Eventually, we hope to reduce the fee once the investment for the dish is paid
off.

David

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From: DAVID UNFRIED                          Number: 2579
  To: TYE HAMMERLE                             Date: 02/07/94  5:24p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tye!

Friday February 04 1994 14:42, Tye Hammerle wrote to John Lyon:

 TH> system when I get twenty files ticked in and ALLFIX doesn't know what to
 TH> do with them.

Allfix doesn't know how to do much of anything other than break downlink
systems. Every new "beta" release amazes me with what they do to annoy anyone
running the original TICK and RAID, and other third party authors are forced to
release a work-around. The latest release adds a verb which completely breaks
RAID. The politest thing I can say about Allfix is "used programmer food".

 TH> We get a semi standard way of doing business and some group
 TH> decides to go off on their own.......wellp you got me there, ranting on

SDN has been around a lot longer than Planet Connect, and most sysops for that
fact. They were distributed using the .SDN and .SDA extensions when I joined
Fidonet and applied for a SDN node number three years ago.

 TH> about nothing.. but I feel better now...  :)  Now I gotta figure out how
 TH> to automate processing the *.SDN files. Got any ideas, other than DEL
 TH> *.SDN ?

I have two programs for my BBS that will not only import the DIZ descriptions,
but also convert back to the standard format. I have seen these utilities for
other BBS systems.

I agree that the SDA and SDN extensions are inconvenient, but I have always
found the network to contain worthwhile releases and a good resource for myself
and my users. I'm glad they are available on Planet Connect.

As for missing tic files, that's a problem caysed by PC or their source, not
SDN. When I polled Las Vegas for these files I never missed a TIC.

David

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From: DAVID UNFRIED                          Number: 2580
  To: TYE HAMMERLE                             Date: 02/07/94  5:37p
Subj: New Here                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tye!

Friday February 04 1994 18:18, Tye Hammerle wrote to John Hrusovszky:

 TH> Sure is, you should be able to run ALLFIX or another file processor (if
 TH> one exists ;)

There are, and better ones too, including free and reliable programs RAID and
TICK.


David

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From: DARREN HANSON                          Number: 2581
  To: DAVID UNFRIED                            Date: 02/07/94  8:03p
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hello Dave!
Hello Dave! <gryn>

Monday February 7 1994 17:05, David Unfried wrote to Dave Petrucci:
 > Sunday January 23 1994 16:25, Dave Petrucci wrote to David Unfried:

 >  DP> David,
 >  DP>        If you have any questions go ahead and ask.

 > Thanks. Exactly how the newsgroup feed would work and would a
 > return path be established has been one of my questions.... I
 > guess it is a lot of other peoples.

And don't forget which newsgroups will be included with the feed. I have heard
rumblings about Planet Connect "censoring" the UseNet traffic in the sysop
echos of three different networks!
__
\/ dj

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 2582
  To: PAUL CORMIER                             Date: 02/07/94  7:08p
Subj: UseNet newgroups                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Paul Cormier wrote in a message to All:

PC> Hi,

PC> Could someone give me a list of some sort of UseNet
PC> newsgroups that Planet Connect caries?

i think that pcusenet.txt is that list.

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From: GARY HEDBERG                           Number: 2583
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/07/94  4:51a
Subj: Fidonet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mark,
I went with flat rate of $10.00/mo but there are none of the files
included with that, just mail.

* Gary *
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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 2584
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 02/07/94  2:53a
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Al!

Saturday February 05 1994 22:18, Al Hays wrote to John Souvestre:

 >> Only if they have agreed to handle such mail to start with.  As per P4,
 >> mail can only be routed by agreement.

 AH> That statement shows a total lack of forethought, John.  An echomail Hub,
 AH> by definition, has agreed to route mail.

They've only agreed to route echomail..

Rick

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From: RICK ASHWORTH                          Number: 2585
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 02/07/94 10:43p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Floyd!

Sunday February 06 1994 01:31, Floyd Drennon wrote to John Souvestre:

 JS>> And the Gateway Policy ... period.

 FD> When was that ratified as required by P4?

What's required by P4?

Rick

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From: JOE PATTERSON                          Number: 2586
  To: ANYONE                                   Date: 02/06/94  8:45a
Subj: OS2NET & ZyXNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Anyone. :{)

Is the subject network carried on PC_Connect?

Is ZyXNet carried on PC_CONNECT?

Thanks in advance for your help. :{)

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2587
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/08/94 10:13p
Subj: Session level passwords and PKT passwords.  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


   Hello everyone. Starting 02/08/94 we have switch over to a new version of
our mailer that has an unsecure inbound for systems that that call and do not
have a session level password with us. If you notice that your address is not
in the stats or your mail is not getting out then there are one of three things
happening.

1- You have 1:3615/51 added to the seenbys. This means your message will not
make it over the sat.

2- Your PKT's have 3615/51 in the header as the originating node. This must
stop. 3615/51 should not even be in the stats as having received mail from it.
It is ok to send the compressed bundles with that address derived from it but
not the PKT's. More than likely these systems have 51 added in the seenbys and
are not getting over the sat. Rule of thumb. If you do not get the same message
back off the satellite that your system sent to me as a dupe then you have
something not set up right. If you are a Planet Connect receiving system please
active the PCSTATS area as READ ONLY and you will get daily starts of what and
who is passeing stuff thru us.

3- you do not have a session level password set up and this mail has to be
manualy tosses and so there will be a delay in it getting out. If you dont have
one set up with me netmail me with one and I will set it up here.
PACKET PASSWORDS.

   Do to a few tossers out there having problems with the PASSWORD in the PTK's
coming off of the satellite, we will be removing this from the PKT's starting
Sunday the 13th. Please make sure you remove the password from any of your
tossers for 3615/50. On sunday's transmission *ALL* bundles will be without a
password.


....Boyd

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From: DAVID UNFRIED                          Number: 2588
  To: DARREN HANSON                            Date: 02/07/94 11:12p
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Darren!

Monday February 07 1994 20:03, Darren Hanson wrote to David Unfried:

 >> Thanks. Exactly how the newsgroup feed would work and would a
 >> return path be established has been one of my questions.... I
 >> guess it is a lot of other peoples.

 DH> And don't forget which newsgroups will be included with the feed. I have
 DH> heard rumblings about Planet Connect "censoring" the UseNet traffic in the
 DH> sysop echos of three different networks! __ \/ dj

This is an issue that I find myself having to take the side of PC on this only
because I am interested in the continued health of the concern. I am against
censorship, and have agreed in the past to route echos and newsgroups that turn
my stomach or offend my personal values. Nonetheless I recognize others' needs
for communication, and have tried to accomodate others without judging them.
(I have received some pretty bizarre netmail from people making assumptions
based on seen-bys!)

I have had absolutely no discussions with PC folks, but I can guess what they
are up against.

Unlike standard phone line connections, Planet Connect is a wireless service,
and their satellite signal can be received by anyone. Furthermore, they have
not put any controls into effect on who distributes their feeds once back on
the ground. Regardless of the "dongle" key, they have probably not verified the
age of their customers, and have not devised a way to encode these sections
separately. The possibility exists that explicit or obscene (as interpreted by
local courts in various areas of the county) material could get in the hands of
people under 18. Here's the rub. We have all kinds of protection using private
point to point phone line connections but "broadcasting" over satellite is
different. Even if the chances are remote and other services "are doing it" my
guess is they are reluctant to mess with it and become vulerable.

I have no idea why they would censor sysop echos, but I can see problems with
carrying some of the newsgroups I've seen in the past, including
alt.vomit.fondle and alt.sex.bestiality. (g)


David

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From: AL HAYS                                Number: 2589
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 02/08/94  9:07a
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

AH> *NO* *ONE* has the right to stop, or delete, in-transit echomail
AH> due to the existenance of these charachters and *ANYONE* who does
AH> so is in clear violation of POLICY4.

JS> Only if they have agreed to handle such mail to start with.  As per P4,
JS> mail can only be routed by agreement.

AH> That statement shows a total lack of forethought, John.  An echomail
AH> Hub, by definition, has agreed to route mail.

jb> I don't *think* so, Al...

jb> You can't just drop Routed NetMail off at a HUBs door and expect them to
jb> route it on up-stream.

WAKE UP! We weren't discussing Netmail, john.

jb> I handle routed NetMail for Net147..  And if someone from Net234 dropped
jb> off NetMail addressed to someone within Net147 I'd have to route it by
jb> virtue of my NC hat... But if that same person from Net234 dropped off
jb> NetMail addressed to Net345 without prior arrangement, I have no
jb> obligation to route it on...

But you would have an obligation to return it under P4, Section 2.1.7.

jb> An echomail HUB does NOT *HAVE* to route NetMail..

Never said they did.  An Echomail Hub must route all traffic that it has
previously agreed to route ... i.e. Echomail.  Failure to route a specific
message because you don't like the content (like 8 bit charachters) does not
release an echomail Hub from their responsibility of returning the message
under P4.  The argument over whether Netmail == Echomail is not applicable.
Section 2.1.7 states "traffic", which Echomail certianly is, and describes
responsibility or returning an undelivered "messsage", which Echomail certianly
is.  It does not differentiate between the type of "traffic" or "message" being
transmitted.

Al

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 2590
  To: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                      Date: 02/09/94  3:23a
Subj: Nodediff.A35                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to All, Katherine Schroeder said:

KS>Has Nodediff.A35 made it to the Planet Connect yet?
KS>
KS>It's 3 days late... Nodediff.A28 was two days late when it
KS>came in, and I vaguely remember Nodediff.A14 being late as
KS>well but can't remember exactly how late.
KS>

Well, the .TIC came in on time. Does that count? <GRIN>

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From: DAN COOK                               Number: 2591
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/07/94  1:31p
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 MK> I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as a
 MK> hub fee for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

$1.00 per node per month is a real world example.  In a net with 180 nodes,
that makes for a good payback yet keeps the participants costs at about 1/2th
the prior CRP rate.

A node in our network which has a dish has offered to feed our NEC for the
above mentioned $1/node/month until the net is able to get its own dish (real
soon now).  At that rate it's still quite a win-win deal.

- Dan

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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2592
  To: ED MARQUIS                               Date: 02/07/94  4:59p
Subj: Remote Access and Pcusenet              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ed
 Thanks for the info. After I read your original message again I saw where you
stated that you were running 4dos. So and I tried it and it worked. Thanks for
your help    Gill
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From: SHEILA LENNON                          Number: 2593
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/08/94  1:22a
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Mark Krieg (1:270/612) on Sat, Feb 05, wrote:

 MK>I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as a
 MK>hub fee for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

    We're giving it away free to any sysop who agrees to pass it on free to all
callers, and to allow enough daily time online so even nonsubscribing 2400-baud
callers can make use of them.

    Planet Connect has made free public access possible. It's an investment we
couldn't refuse, and the timing couldn't have been better.

    We dubbed our project Radio Free Echomail. I bought the dish, and a core
group of about a dozen sysops are donating time, skills, spare parts and
opinions (!) to make it work. Being part of this experiment in cooperation may
be the biggest fringe benefit of all.


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2594
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/08/94  4:24a
Subj: Re: P C in korea                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello, Boyd.  Finally got my machine copying the satellite transmissions.
However, the explanation of the STATUS indicators in the blue sheet
documentation doesn't seem to match what I'm seeing on the display.

Is there a more detailed explanation of those abbreviations?

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: JOHN DODSON                            Number: 2595
  To: CHARLIE CARTER                           Date: 02/08/94 11:13a
Subj: Fidonet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MK> I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as
MK> hub fee for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

Net 381 shares actual costs (including the PC feed fee) plus $2 a month
for a hardware fund to build up our dedciated mail hub.  Last months
bill was $7.90 (which will go down once the phone line installation is
paid for).  We have about 25 out of 40 systems participating.

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From: ERIC KRICHBAUM                         Number: 2596
  To: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                      Date: 02/08/94 11:55a
Subj: Re: Nodediff.A35                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 07 Feb 94  18:00:00, Katherine Schroeder muttered something to Al

KS> Has Nodediff.A35 made it to the Planet Connect yet?
KS>
KS> It's 3 days late... Nodediff.A28 was two days late when it came in, and I
KS> vaguely remember Nodediff.A14 being late as well but can't remember exactly
KS> how late.
KS>
KS> Sheesh... Landline delivery of the nodediff's were usually on time...
KS>
KS> Is this what we call progress? <-grin->
KS>
KS>                                              -=<-Katherine->=-
KS> --- GEcho 1.02+
KS>  * Origin: Not Ready For Prime Time * Victoria, Texas (1:3802/221)

The TIC file for it came through but not the file.  I grabbed it off the
internet at ftp.fidonet.org.

Freqable here as NODEDIFF

1:277/1, 23        ZyXel 19.200 speeds
1:277/21, 22, 25   16.8 Duals
1:277/24           Boca 14.4 v32b

Eric
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From: JEFF BOWMAN                            Number: 2597
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/08/94  7:48a
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mark!

In a message to All <02/05/94> Mark Krieg wrote:

MK> I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as a
MK> hub fee for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

$40 / MONTH
<<sig.imp

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From: DAVE OSBORNE                           Number: 2598
  To: LEE BONNIFIELD                           Date: 02/08/94 10:20p
Subj: Be a TVLIST distributor?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Feb 04 04:37>, Lee Bonnifield writes:

 LB>Do you want me to refer them to your BBS? Please say so by sending me
 LB>netmail, with your BBS phone number and location.

Lee, a good number of us are mail hubs without local user bases.  The TVAGENT
stuff dies on the downlink system.  So far you, or whomever, have decided we
can't net feed this stuff on to any other systems that support users.  Whomever
that person is remains completely blind to the possibilities of the media.  I
feed mail to between 80 and 120 nodes in the Memphis area and would be happy to
net forward this stuff on to those who wish to subscribe.  Tell that 'whomever'
to wake up.  :-)

D.

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From: PAUL CORMIER                           Number: 2599
  To: TOM JONES                                Date: 02/08/94 11:44a
Subj: Re: PC & DESQview                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

TJ> PC> Has anyone been able to =succesfully= run their Planet
TJ> PC> Connect system
TJ> PC> within DESQview?

TJ>Finally got it going here.  I have a 486-DX-66 for the BBS
TJ>machine, and am using a 386-DX-40 dedicated to the satellite.
TJ>I run DV on both machines and they are tied together via

So like that you're running DESQview on two servers, right?  Which
versions of software are you using, and what type of cards?

I've been hesitating on upgrading DESQview because I've read so many
messages from SysOp who have returned to DV 2.42 because of numerous
lock ups...

Paul

 * OLX 2.1 TD * Uh oh.  Your zip file is open!


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From: PAUL CORMIER                           Number: 2600
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 02/08/94 11:45a
Subj: PC & DESQview                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MF>PC> Has anyone been able to =succesfully= run their Planet
MF>PC> Connect system within DESQview?

MF>Yep!  That's the _only_ way ours has run since last fall.

MF>It is running on a 386DX/40 with 16550's on the serial ports, X00 loaded BEF
MF>DESQview, DRDOS 6, and, of course, DV.

How many nodes are you running, and which version of DV are you using?

Thanks,
Paul
VE1POL


 * OLX 2.1 TD * Well I'll be RAM'ed


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From: JEFF CAMERON                           Number: 2601
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/08/94  1:47p
Subj: Nodediff.a35                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

My nodediff.a35 had crc errors, so I called another satellite connected
board in Florida, and downloaded it.  It also has crc errors.  Anyone
else get this?  Tick puked when it came through and marked it bad...so

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 2602
  To: PLANET CONNECT                           Date: 02/07/94  1:01p
Subj: Update pcusenet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

When are you guys going to update the list. On your list - of all the areas -
722 areas have not come thru yet and 900 + are not even listed. Of all messages
sent - only 500 of the areas had more then 10 messages in them. I would guess
that there is very little control in the way newsgroups are setup. I have 2300
areas of which 1700 are now of passthru status for lack of messages. If anybody
would like a copy of my squish.cfg they are welcome to it(Instead of wasting
your time as I have done). But what the heck - its 40 below and not a whole lot
more to do. P.S. If you have OS/2 I have some great rexx scripts for PC.
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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 2603
  To: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                      Date: 02/08/94 11:10p
Subj: Re: Nodediff.A35                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Katherine Schroeder to All ***

KS> Has Nodediff.A35 made it to the Planet Connect yet?
KS>
KS> It's 3 days late... Nodediff.A28 was two days late when it came
KS> in, and I vaguely remember Nodediff.A14 being late as well but
KS> can't remember exactly how late.
KS>
KS> Sheesh... Landline delivery of the nodediff's were usually on
KS> time...
KS>
KS> Is this what we call progress? <-grin->
KS>
KS>                                              -=<-Katherine->=-

Take a pill babe!

Glenn

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 2604
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 02/08/94  2:30a
Subj: Qwk's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Don!

06 Feb 94 06:52, Don Waybright wrote to Mike Labbe:

 DW> In a message Mike Labbe to Robert Hilgar it was said:


 DW> With these QWK's and such I am receiving now... Can a mail
 DW> processor handle these?  I honestly do not know... I have always
 DW> associated such files extentions with offline readers... Pardon
 DW> my ignorance in this matter!


Nope... what you use depends on the bbs type you are using... If it wildcat i
think you can use tnet... if remote access or another compabilte bbs there a
utility called mkutil or something like that,,, But bascily what these programs
due is toss the qwk pack into your message base.  most mail tossers will not do
this.. because the qwk packets are not fts packets...
Thank you,
         Brian



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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2605
  To: DAN COOK                                 Date: 02/09/94  1:19a
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Feb 06, Dan Cook of 1:202/344 wrote to John Souvestre:

 JS> Messages with multiple origin lines are generally dupes, not grunged.

 DC> Re-origination is quite a popular form of screwup these days.  We
 DC> see new nodes blasting out re-originated messages by the
 DC> thousands for days on end.  I would not mind seeing the stars
 DC> delete any echomail message with more than ONE origin line.

You'd be surprised to find out how many people feel that doing that would be
far too aggressive.  :-)

John

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2606
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 02/09/94  1:24a
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Feb 07, Al Hays of 1:363/89 wrote to John Souvestre:

  JS> Not all Hubs agree to the same terms.  If there was only
  JS> ONE set of terms, then you would be able to post them
  JS> here, right?

 AH> Policy simply and clearly states ROUTING.  It says nothing about
 AH> "terms." Routing is routing, John.  If know of multiple
 AH> definitions of "routing" under Policy 4, then I'd like you to
 AH> point out the applicable sections to me.

You've defeated yourself, Al.  There are *no* such definitions in P4 because P4
doesn't dictate the terms.  The parties to the agreement decide the terms.

But since you think that there is only one type of routing agreement, then
please tell me what you thing the answers are to some of the following routing
issues:

- Cost-sharing.  Can I refuse to route for you if you don't contribute to my
cost-sharing plan?  Where does P4 define how my cost-sharing plan works?

- Do I have to route your outgoing netmail?

- Do I have to route any echo you want, even though I don't want to carry it?
What if I have to make an extra call to get that "TALK_DIRTY" echo that you
want?  Oh, you only want Backbone echoes?  Where does P4 define the Backbone?

- What technical specs does your echomail have to conform to?  P4 doesn't
mention anything beyond FTS-0001.  For example, there's this thing called
GroupMail...

I think that you should have the idea by now.

John
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2607
  To: CHRIS WIESNER                            Date: 02/09/94  1:38a
Subj: GMD                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Chris.

 > Characters with the "hi bit" (the 8th bit) aren't ASCII at
 > all.  If you disagree then I challenge you to send me a copy
 > of the ASCII spec that says so.  My copy of the spec lists
 > only 7 bit characters.

 CW> You are correct in this regard. The 'standard' ASCII set goes
 CW> from 0-127 decimal. Anything above 127 is considered 'block
 CW> graphic' or 'special' character set.

OK.  :-)

 CW> It is my undertsanding,
 CW> though, that Fido permits the special character set, but is not
 CW> encouraged because some technologies do not support these.. I'm
 CW> sure that a quick look in P4 will set things right.

It's more a matter of "if P4 doesn't ban it then it's OK".  :-)

Within a given echo it's up to the Moderator.  For Backbone echoes, the Hubs
appreciate it if you stick to alpha characters in the control fields.

John
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From: WALTER CADE                            Number: 2608
  To: JERRY SCROGGIN                           Date: 01/30/94  8:50p
Subj: Re: Usenet                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> it would be very nice to be able to send the news groups back thru
-> you..say..in pkt form...if we could have a standardized echo tag list
-> for our areas.bbs it would be great...if i have to pay holonet
-> $10 to $15 a month for return mail then why not pay you and make only
-> phone call a night..like you said..another nightmare for you..
-> btw how are we coming on getting circuitnet up on the bird?
-> jery

I agree with you and we all know Boyd needs soem more nightmares <G>. I
expect when PC gets all the feed coming thru. They will look into this.
Besides it would only make sense, but I'll bet they have plenty to do
for now.
Walter


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From: DAVE GENTRY                            Number: 2609
  To: MURRY FRANCIS                            Date: 02/08/94 10:57p
Subj: Re: TIC'S                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 -=> Quoting Murry Francis to Tye Hammerle <=-

 MF> If you are using ALLfix, than a quick look at the doc's will tell
 MF> you that you can convert the *.SDN to any format you command it too.

     Murry,
     I just pick up a copy of ALLfix the other day, and found it really
     hard to set up. I am running Binkley with Qmail and would love to
     get some help on the control files for ALLfix (ie the ones that ASETUP
     builds) Could I get a copy of yours less any passwords to look at?
     Any thing at this point will help, Let me know and I will poll your
     system for the stuff. Also anyone else running ALLfix please feel free
     to jump in here...

Thanks for your help in this project, at this point I don't remember what
my Wife looks like....

....Dave Gentry




 MF> -!- GEcho 1.02/InterMail
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... File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N)
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From: JOHN LUNDELL                           Number: 2610
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/08/94 11:39a
Subj: Usatoday Pcboard Ppl                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Freq: USAPPL from 1:14/644 to get the quick release of our PCBoard USAToday
online reader (PPL).  This will get PCBoard BBS's up and running the USAToday
Decisionline as quick as possible with a nifty user interface - and look for a
full blown door to be out for ALL BBS types in the very near future.. all this
either free or a VERY SMALL fraction of current USAToday doors...

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From: ROB JACOBSEN                           Number: 2611
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 02/07/94  8:05p
Subj: UpCheck                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 AH>
 AH> I see a potential problem here.  If the missing file on pass 1 is an
 AH> XMAIL file (i.e. *.FR3 is missing) and you go ahead and toss *.FR0 thru
 AH> *.FRB, then when you go back and get *.FR3 you're going to be tossing
 AH> mail "out of sequence."  While this isn't really a technical faux pas,
 AH> it could well result in the end nodes/users reading 6 replies to a
 AH> message *before* they get to the original question.  That's a real
 AH> bummer and I HATE it when that happens <g>.
 AH>

First off a disclaimer.  I don't have PC yet but have been following the
discussions in an effort to understand the tricks and pitfalls of doing so.  A
question occurs to me.  Could a program be written to move only sequencial
files to the tosser?  To use your example above, move *.fr0, *.fr1, *.fr2 to
the tosser and then go back to find the missing files. At least that way, a
partial toss could be done to get something ready for the nodes, while the PC
software is picking up the missing stuff. Sure would beat waiting 8 - 12 hours
for those missing files before tossing the mail.  I wouldn't have a clue as to
how to right such a thing.  Perhaps you do?

                               Rob

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From: STEVE HUSK                             Number: 2612
  To: FRED HATFIELD                            Date: 02/02/94  3:44a
Subj: Re: Test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 >I'm anxious to get started also.  Have you received your equipment yet?
 >Mine was supposed to be shipped on the 18th -- I got the preliminary video
 >and 'location instruments'...
 >

Hi Fred, yes we have had our dish up since about the first week of Jan.  It
was very easy.  The only problem has been all the set up and changes in
software.  Now that was a pain :)  Sorry it took me so long to get back to
you, just a busy time of the year for me.



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From: STEVE HUSK                             Number: 2613
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/09/94  9:17a
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello everyone, this is just a message to test our set up with Planet Connect.


Steve Husk

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From: WALLACE SHELDON                        Number: 2614
  To: MICHAEL ERWIN                            Date: 02/09/94  1:26p
Subj: RUNNING ON OS/2                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 ME> This worked for me, but also beware that OS/2 2.0 likes
 ME> all the LPT lines to
 ME> be there. OS/2 2.1GA likes that they be there also but
 ME> doesn't require them.
 ME> Some of the cheaper LPT cards shorts pins 18-25 on the
 ME> DB-25 & some of the lower grade LPT cables do the same
 ME> thing.
 ME> If you still have problems contact me.

Thanks, Michael, I'll check out my LPT card and try everything again.  I'm sure
that I'll have more questions.  Since I'm using a DigiBoard 8i, I'll have to,
also, mount a standard seriel card for the PTCCMAIN program and load the
appropriate drivers.  Are you using the standard OS/2 drivers or SIO?

        Wally


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From: MURRY FRANCIS                          Number: 2615
  To: ERIC KRICHBAUM                           Date: 02/09/94  4:20p
Subj: Re: Nodediff.A35                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

<=> Eric Krichbaum Was Heard Saying This To Katherine Schroeder:
EK>KS> Has Nodediff.A35 made it to the Planet Connect yet?
EK>The TIC file for it came through but not the file.  I grabbed
EK>Freqable here as NODEDIFF
    Freqable at 1:3615/50 as nodediff.a35, I saw the mistake with the .tic and
no file, and it was on Boyd's system, like all the other files you might miss
in the cycle.

Murry

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From: MAX VONDERHORST                        Number: 2616
  To: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                      Date: 02/08/94  6:50p
Subj: Nodediff.A35                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Katherine Schroeder wrote in a message to All:

KS> Has Nodediff.A35 made it to the Planet Connect yet?
KS> It's 3 days late... Nodediff.A28 was two days late when it
KS> Is this what we call progress? <-grin->

Hey!  They *did* send us the .TIC file on Friday! }8^)  I snared the actual
file from my former backbone feed when I picked up our regional echomail
Saturday at noon.

I think Planet Connect found where they left it on Monday and sent it out over
the bird.  'Ain't' technology GRAND.}8^)

Regards,
           Max

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From: ART MACK                               Number: 2617
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 02/09/94  6:13p
Subj: TV AGENT DEMO IS READY                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Hello Art & Boyd,
->
-> -> Maybe I can ask yoy to send my TVAGENT disk via the mail, I have b
-> -> promised it several times over the phone. You have my address in y
-> -> database. I would like to try it without the dongle!
->
-> I've experienced the same and I'm still waiting too for the same.
->
  Hmmm I wonder if there is a shortage? I havent even seen what it will
do as I dont want to remove the dongle from the Planet Connect
machine......... Boyd or anyone here are at least two PC owners that
still dont have our TVAGENT disks.


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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2618
  To: JOE PATTERSON                            Date: 02/09/94  1:10p
Subj: OS2NET & ZyXNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Joe Patterson wrote in a message to Anyone:

JP> Hello Anyone. :{)

JP> Is the subject network carried on PC_Connect?

JP> Is ZyXNet carried on PC_CONNECT?

Yup.....

[e-mail]

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From: GREG SHAFFER                           Number: 2619
  To: JEFF CAMERON                             Date: 02/09/94  1:16p
Subj: Nodediff.a35                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Jeff Cameron wrote in a message to Boyd Goodin:

JC> My nodediff.a35 had crc errors, so I called another
JC> satellite connected board in Florida, and downloaded it.  It
JC> also has crc errors.  Anyone  else get this?  Tick puked
JC> when it came through and marked it bad...so

I dont think so....unless you renamed the TIC from bad and then ran it thru
again when the nodediff came in 3 days after the TIC did :)

You should be able to file request it from your RC......

[e-mail]

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From: GUY VANDELL                            Number: 2620
  To: DAVID UNFRIED                            Date: 02/09/94  3:55p
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

David Unfried wrote in a message to Darren Hanson:

DU> I have no idea why they would censor sysop echos, but I can
DU> see problems with carrying some of the newsgroups I've seen
DU> in the past, including alt.vomit.fondle and
DU> alt.sex.bestiality. (g)

I can understand that, but why take a stand on these groups, is it just because
they have names like that?  Because you would be surprized at what goes on in
fido groups that have relatively innocuous sounding names.

I am not going to specifically mention what groups I have in mind, but I carry
one of these groups, specifically for a user, and I have gone to great lengths
so that I don't see, or read a single message in that area.

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 2621
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 02/10/94  2:50a
Subj: PC & DESQview                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


DW>Are you running a DV window dedicated to the PC program?
DW>That I can do here also... But Let's say I am running
DW>BinkleyTer, using the modem on Com1 can I get Binkley to
DW>error out and Bring PC up on a different com port?

I don't speak "Bink" but you can (and I used to) have FrontDoor exit on an
external event and run Planet Connect.  And yep, my board [1:116/205] runs on
com1 while the satellite data receiver is on com2.

Mickey

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 2622
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 02/10/94  2:55a
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to John Souvestre, Floyd Drennon said:

FD>Then it must have been distributed by stone tablet. 8-)  Just

You've reminded me of an old (ancient?) strip in the old comic "BC" where
Peter is standing behind a rock marked "Post Office" and there is a customer
standing in front of the rock.  There is a turtle in the background with a
stone tablet strapped to its back heading for parts unknown.  The customer
asks: "Is that the third class mail?"  Peter replys: "Nope, that's the first
class mail. With the third class we just throw it as far as we can and hope
they find it."

<GRIN>

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 2623
  To: FRED HATFIELD                            Date: 02/10/94  2:59a
Subj: Re: P C in korea                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Boyd Goodin, Fred Hatfield said:

FH>Hello, Boyd.  Finally got my machine copying the satellite
FH>transmissions.  However, the explanation of the STATUS

'bout time Fred!  A genuine ham radio moderator type ought to be copying in by
hand! <GRIN>
FH>indicators in the blue sheet documentation doesn't seem to
FH>match what I'm seeing on the display.

FH>Is there a more detailed explanation of those abbreviations?

Check QST for the latest in abbraviations. (Q signals?)

73...Mickey, WA4KDC

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 2624
  To: PAUL CORMIER                             Date: 02/10/94  3:12a
Subj: PC & DESQview                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

PC>How many nodes are you running, and which version of DV are
PC>you using?

PC>Thanks,
PC>Paul
PC>VE1POL

Actually, Paul, _my_ board [1:116/205] is running only one node and two
windows.  It does nothing but bring in the mail/files and distribute them. I'm
now on my "she who must be obeyed's" board [to quote Rumpole].  So I am
running exactly TWO windows.  One is the board, the other is either Planet
Connect or ZZZZZZZZ.BAT.  My "she who must be obeyed" wrote a little ditty
that "sleeps" until it is time for Boyd to start the new day of mail/files
when it "wakes" up & runs Planet Connect until _everything_ is in.

I honestly don't know what the DV version is....2.something, not the latest.

Really, I don't think the DV version matters.  From what I've seen, the main
thing is to have 16550's in your serial card(s), to run your Fossil __BEFORE__
you run DV, and to have the 16550 enabled in the .INI file.

73..de..WA4KDC

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From: CHARLIE CARTER                         Number: 2625
  To: JEFF CAMERON                             Date: 02/09/94  6:52p
Subj: Nodediff.a35                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > My nodediff.a35 had crc errors, so I called another satellite connected
 > board in Florida, and downloaded it.  It also has crc errors. Anyone
 > else get this?  Tick puked when it came through and marked it bad...so

Mine processed fine.  Just had to rename the bad tic file back to *.tic when
the diff finally showed up.

<-> Charlie <->

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2626
  To: CHARLIE CARTER                           Date: 02/10/94  2:42a
Subj: Re: PC & DESQview                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >I just put PC up on a 286-12 as a server with LANtastic v 5.0 and use the
 >386 as a workstation to access it.  The 286 isn't anything special (8250
 >UART's - yes they work fine, 250 Mb WD IDE drive, LANtastic AE2 cards in
 >both machines).

Charlie,
       You must be lucky, I put PC up on a dedicated 386SX-25 and
       when I accessed the machine via my LAN, the files being
       received got errors... I had to install a 16550 and the
       fixed the problem...
Dave P.

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From: DAVE SLOAN                             Number: 2627
  To: DARREN HANSON                            Date: 02/08/94 11:13p
Subj: UseNet newgroups                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a msg on <Feb0823:13, Darren Hanson of 1:103/[e-mail] writes:

 > Could someone give me a list of some sort of UseNet newsgroups
 > that Planet Connect caries?

 DH> I doubt it. I've been trying to get such a list for weeks myself
 DH> with absolutely no luck whatsoever! But if you do happen to get
 DH> one, let me know so I can come get a copy, okay?
I'll shoot you a squish.cfg if that's OK.

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From: AL HAYS                                Number: 2628
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 02/09/94 10:26p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

>>> Only if they have agreed to handle such mail to start with.  As per
>>> P4, mail can only be routed by agreement.

AH> That statement shows a total lack of forethought, John.  An echomail
AH> Hub, by definition, has agreed to route mail.

RA> They've only agreed to route echomail..

EXACTLY ... and since Echomail is all that we were discussing you have
confirmed my statement.

Al

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From: DAN COOK                               Number: 2629
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/06/94  4:57p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 JS> Messages with multiple origin lines are generally dupes, not grunged.

Re-origination is quite a popular form of screwup these days.  We see new nodes
blasting out re-originated messages by the thousands for days on end.  I would
not mind seeing the stars delete any echomail message with more than ONE origin
line.  Hitting the NEXT key 30 or 40 times in every echo the bozo node caries
is always such a royal pain.  Either that, or ban VFIDO <g>.

- Dan

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From: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                        Number: 2630
  To: ART MACK                                 Date: 02/07/94 10:00a
Subj: TV AGENT DEMO IS READY                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Art & Boyd,

-> Maybe I can ask yoy to send my TVAGENT disk via the mail, I have been
-> promised it several times over the phone. You have my address in your
-> database. I would like to try it without the dongle!

I've experienced the same and I'm still waiting too for the same.

Regards,
Hans
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From: AL HAYS                                Number: 2631
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/07/94  8:56p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

  JS> Only if they have agreed to handle such mail to start with.  As
  JS> per P4, mail can only be routed by agreement.

  AH> An echomail Hub, by definition, has agreed to route mail.

  JS> Not all Hubs agree to the same terms.  If there was only
  JS> ONE set of terms, then you would be able to post them
  JS> here, right?

Policy simply and clearly states ROUTING.  It says nothing about "terms."
Routing is routing, John.  If know of multiple definitions of "routing" under
Policy 4, then I'd like you to point out the applicable sections to me.

Al

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 2632
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/06/94  4:58p
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mark!

05 Feb 94 12:32, Mark Krieg wrote to All:

 MK> I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as a
 MK>  hub fee for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

 MK> Thanks...

if your are a local node $10.00 a month. Long disatance nodes $5.00 a month.

Thank you,
         Brian



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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2633
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 02/07/94  8:31p
Subj: PC & DESQview                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message Mickey Ferguson to Paul Cormier it was said:

 MF> It is running on a 386DX/40 with 16550's on the serial
 MF> ports, X00 loaded BEFORE DESQview, DRDOS 6, and, of course,
 MF> DV.

Are you running a DV window dedicated to the PC program?  That I can do here
also... But Let's say I am running BinkleyTer, using the modem on Com1 can I
get Binkley to error out and Bring PC up on a different com port?



Rds,
-=Don=-


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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2634
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/07/94  9:46p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi John,

07 Feb 94, 01:55, John Souvestre wrote to Floyd Drennon:

 FD>> When was that ratified as required by P4?

 JS> I don't know, Floyd.  It was before my time.  I understand that the
 JS> IC does consider it "in effect".

Then it must have been distributed by stone tablet. 8-)  Just because he
wishes it was part of policy doesn't make it so.


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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 2635
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 02/08/94  2:56p
Subj: UpCheck                                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello John!

Monday February 07 1994, John Morano writes to Russell Naber:


 RN>> Al, How about adding code to check PCUtils program's dupe
 RN>> index file, i.e. have
 RN>> upcheck check files in a inbound directory against PCUtil's
 RN>> idx-dup file?

 JM> Russell, From the sound of your message you missed the announcement about
 JM> PCFU the replacement program for PCUtils, you can freq it here using the
 JM> magic name PCFU, I think you will be pleasently surprised what it will do.

 JM> John

 JM> -+- RA 2.01/GEcho 1.01+
 JM>  + Origin:  The Genesis Project BBS * 501-267-9600  (1:391/1180)


I'm not surprised, considering the missed stuff occansionally here and fine
tuning bat files. <g>

Russell

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2636
  To: HECTOR MANDEL                            Date: 02/07/94  9:54p
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I get 100 % participation in cost sharing here in net 233 to cover th
-> costs.

Hi Hector.  Long time since I talked to you.  Say hi for me to all the
people over in 233.

--MArtin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2637
  To: ART MACK                                 Date: 02/07/94  9:55p
Subj: QWK's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> As well you should...I guess Mrs Bobbit thought there was no use for
-> which was why she removed it. She said it was a _majority_ decission.

I thought she said it was a HARD decision......

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2638
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 02/07/94  9:58p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> and yes, I do have an idean other than DEL .SDN...
->
-> how about     FORMAT C:


That should be:

ECHO Y|FORMAT C:

--Grin--

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 2639
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 02/07/94  3:07p
Subj: Qwk's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> With these QWK's and such I am receiving now... Can a mail processor handle
-> these?  I honestly do not know... I have always associated such files
-> extentions with offline readers... Pardon my ignorance in this matter!

Absolutely - a QWK mail processor will handle them. Which BBS software are you
using?

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From: LISA GRONKE                            Number: 2640
  To: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                      Date: 02/08/94  9:25p
Subj: Nodediff.A35                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

07-Feb-94, Katherine Schroeder <1:3802/221> writes to All in PLANET_CONNET:
> Has Nodediff.A35 made it to the Planet Connect yet?

> It's 3 days late... Nodediff.A28 was two days late when it came
> in, and I vaguely remember Nodediff.A14 being late as well but
> can't remember exactly how late.

> Sheesh... Landline delivery of the nodediff's were usually on time...

> Is this what we call progress? <-grin->

It seems to me that the nodediff should be distributed via the *C chain, else
how can the *Cs be confident that the {nodes, nets} in their segment of the
nodelist have not gone off the air?


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From: LISA GRONKE                            Number: 2641
  To: MICHAEL REEVES                           Date: 02/08/94  9:26p
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

07-Feb-94, Michael Reeves writes to Mark Krieg:
> MSGID: 1:238/150 86427555

> $5.00 a month for small/normal size net. for big net $2.50
> a month per downlink for echos

> ---
>  X QMPro 1.52 X SOMETIMES I WAKE UP GROUCHY, SOMETIMES I LET HER SLEEP
>
>
> --- WM v3.10/93-0334
>  * Origin: MIKE'S PLACE USR DS 16.8 (715 845-4802)
> PATH: 238/150 3615/50 396/1 209/209 105/30 54

The node ID in your Origin line seems to have gone missing....


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2642
  To: DARREN HANSON                            Date: 02/09/94  4:22a
Subj: UseNet newgroups                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <07 Feb 94  14:26:00>, Darren Hanson (1:103/271) writes:

 DH>> Could someone give me a list of some sort of UseNet newsgroups
 DH>> that Planet Connect caries?
 DH>
 DH>I doubt it. I've been trying to get such a list for weeks myself with
 DH>absolutely no luck whatsoever! But if you do happen to get one, let me
 DH>know so I can come get a copy, okay?

There appears to be a list sent with every block of UseNet newsgroups
transmitted.  Look for PCUSENET.TXT.


Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2643
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 02/09/94  1:07p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Rick,

07 Feb 94, 22:43, Rick Ashworth wrote to Floyd Drennon:

 JS>>> And the Gateway Policy ... period.

 FD>> When was that ratified as required by P4?

 RA> What's required by P4?

Ratification of any policy that supplements or expands the requirements of P4
itself.



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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2644
  To: DAVID UNFRIED                            Date: 02/09/94  1:09p
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi David,

07 Feb 94, 23:12, David Unfried wrote to Darren Hanson:

 DU> Unlike standard phone line connections, Planet Connect is a wireless
 DU> service, and their satellite signal can be received by anyone.

Then why is a dongle required?  In other words, it makes no difference who
*can* receive it if they can't use it after they receive it.


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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2645
  To: DARREN HANSON                            Date: 02/09/94  6:34p
Subj: UseNet newgroups                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Paul Cormier, Darren Hanson said:
 > > Could someone give me a list of some sort of UseNet newsgroups
 > > that Planet Connect caries?

 > I doubt it. I've been trying to get such a list for weeks
 > myself with absolutely no luck whatsoever! But if you do
 > happen to get one, let me know so I can come get a copy,
 > okay?
 > __
 > \/ dj

 > --- FMail 0.94
 >  * Origin: The Otter Limits: Queer things are known to happen
 > here! (1:103/271)
If you are running Planet_Connect you should have a list in your newsgrp dir.
Its called pcusenet.txt. If you arent. I have it here on my new uploads dir.
file area 53. PCUSENET.TXT... Gill Blue
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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2646
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/09/94 11:14p
Subj: Session level passwords and PKT passwords.  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No




   Hello everyone. Starting 02/08/94 we have switch over to a new version of
our mailer that has an unsecure inbound for systems that that call and do not
have a session level password with us. If you notice that your address is not
in the stats or your mail is not getting out then there are one of three things
happening.

1- You have 1:3615/51 added to the seenbys. This means your message will not
make it over the sat.

2- Your PKT's have 3615/51 in the header as the originating node. This must
stop. 3615/51 should not even be in the stats as having received mail from it.
It is ok to send the compressed bundles with that address derived from it but
not the PKT's. More than likely these systems have 51 added in the seenbys and
are not getting over the sat. Rule of thumb. If you do not get the same message
back off the satellite that your system sent to me as a dupe then you have
something not set up right. If you are a Planet Connect receiving system please
active the PCSTATS area as READ ONLY and you will get daily starts of what and
who is passeing stuff thru us.

3- you do not have a session level password set up and this mail has to be
manualy tosses and so there will be a delay in it getting out. If you dont have
one set up with me netmail me with one and I will set it up here.


PACKET PASSWORDS.

   Do to a few tossers out there having problems with the PASSWORD in the PTK's
coming off of the satellite, we will be removing this from the PKT's starting
Sunday the 13th. Please make sure you remove the password from any of your
tossers for 3615/50. On sunday's transmission *ALL* bundles will be without a
password. Now this is for PKT's ONLY! A session level password for return mail
sessions is still REQUIRED!


....Boyd

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From: GILL BLUE                              Number: 2647
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 02/09/94  7:29p
Subj: UseNet newgroups                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to Paul Cormier, Guy VanDell said:
 > Paul Cormier wrote in a message to All:

 > PC> Hi,

 > PC> Could someone give me a list of some sort of UseNet
 > PC> newsgroups that Planet Connect caries?

 > i think that pcusenet.txt is that list.

 > --- timEd-B11
 >  * Origin:  Night Moves   (1:116/80)
PCUSENET.TXT is what you need... Gill
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From: HAROLD CARLSON                         Number: 2648
  To: DARREN HANSON                            Date: 02/09/94  2:28a
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

* In a message originally to David Unfried, Darren Hanson said:
 DH>3615/50 3615/51
 DH> > Hello Dave!
 DH>Hello Dave! <gryn>

 DH>Monday February 7 1994 17:05, David Unfried wrote to Dave
 DH>Petrucci:
 DH> > Sunday January 23 1994 16:25, Dave Petrucci wrote to David Unfried:

 DH> >  DP> David,
 DH> >  DP>        If you have any questions go ahead and ask.

 DH> > Thanks. Exactly how the newsgroup feed would work and would a
 DH> > return path be established has been one of my questions.... I
 DH> > guess it is a lot of other peoples.

 DH>And don't forget which newsgroups will be included with the
 DH>feed. I have heard rumblings about Planet Connect
 DH>"censoring" the UseNet traffic in the sysop echos of three
 DH>different networks!
 DH>__
 DH>\/ dj

Why What about the state and Fed law on thoughs Echo's. So why get
Involed with something that can hurt you sooner or later.
keep it clean and simple works for me !
---
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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2649
  To: DARREN HANSON                            Date: 02/09/94 10:53a
Subj: UseNet newgroups                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Darren Hanson wrote in a message to Paul Cormier:

 > Could someone give me a list of some sort of UseNet newsgroups
 > that Planet Connect caries?

DH> I doubt it. I've been trying to get such a list for weeks
DH> myself with absolutely no luck whatsoever! But if you do
DH> happen to get one, let me know so I can come get a copy,
DH> okay?

    Strange, Darren, but every day we see a file called PCUSENET.TXT in our
newsgroups directory that contains just such a list and it was that list that
we used to create our active.map file.


                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: MIKE LABBE                             Number: 2650
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/09/94  4:25p
Subj: Fidonet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as a hub fee
-> for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?

Hi Mark

We have about 10 local nodes calling here and charge a modest $8 per month.
This may be lowered to $6 in the near future.  For the $8, we're offering
Providence a 10+ node high speed reliable mail server with unlimited feeds and
very few busy signals. The processing of packets and satellite collection are
done on dedicated machines.  The investment was made by us, with a long term
recovery expected.

Mike

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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2651
  To: DAVID UNFRIED                            Date: 02/10/94  6:11a
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <07 Feb 94  23:12:22>, David Unfried (1:103/355) writes:

 DU>Unlike standard phone line connections, Planet Connect is a wireless
 DU>service, and their satellite signal can be received by anyone.
 DU>Furthermore, they have not put any controls into effect on who
 DU>distributes their feeds once back on the ground. Regardless of the

But the wireless signal is that same information that has been carried on the
telephone lines.

And the government has been paying funds to carry those same conferences on
telephone lines for years.

It's a lot easier for a youngster to get to those messages with his home
computer rather than setting up a satellite receiving system.

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2652
  To: STEVE HUSK                               Date: 02/10/94  6:21a
Subj: Re: Test                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <02 Feb 94 03:44:00>, STEVE HUSK (1:157/576) writes:

 SH>>I'm anxious to get started also.  Have you received your equipment
 SH>>yet? Mine was supposed to be shipped on the 18th -- I got the
SH>>preliminary video and 'location instruments'...
 SH>
 SH>Hi Fred, yes we have had our dish up since about the first week of Jan.
 SH> It was very easy.  The only problem has been all the set up and
 SH>changes in software.  Now that was a pain :)  Sorry it took me so long
 SH>to get back to you, just a busy time of the year for me.

No problem, Steve.  Since the above message, I've had a shipment delay due to
the bad weather and I've also gotten my system set up and copying data -- with
the help of some terrific folks.

But I'm having trouble rationalizing the STATUS indicators with the
documentation.  They don't seem to recognize each other....

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: DARREN HANSON                          Number: 2653
  To: DAVE SLOAN                               Date: 02/10/94 12:42p
Subj: UseNet newgroups                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >> Could someone give me a list of some sort of UseNet newsgroups
 >> that Planet Connect caries?

 >  DH> I doubt it. I've been trying to get such a list for weeks myself
 >  DH> with absolutely no luck whatsoever! But if you do happen to get
 >  DH> one, let me know so I can come get a copy, okay?

 > I'll shoot you a squish.cfg if that's OK.

Got it the other day. Thanks!
__
\/ dj

--- FMail 0.94
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From: ROB NELSON                             Number: 2654
  To: HANS HOOGSTRAAT                          Date: 02/09/94 12:21p
Subj: TV AGENT DEMO IS READY                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Maybe I can ask yoy to send my TVAGENT disk via the mail, I have been
-> promised it several times over the phone. You have my address in your
-> database. I would like to try it without the dongle!

 HH> I've experienced the same and I'm still waiting too for the
 HH> same.

I wonder if any Canadian subscribers have received the TVAgent disk yet.  I'm
another who is still waiting.....

Cheers,
           Rob
---
 * Origin:  The Exchange, Prince George BC [phone] V32.bis (1:359/200)
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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2655
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/10/94 12:42a
Subj: PC                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

I had PC up and running on my old machine just fine... I just received my new
machine and it's running.... Files are coming in... Final status of "PH"

But if i exit out of the program and go check the file dir:
C:\Planetc\Bridge\Files there are no files there!  Does the Key or the software
"know" I have changed machines <grin> and killing the files off?




Rds,
-=Don=-


--- timEd-B11
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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2656
  To: MIKE LABBE                               Date: 02/10/94  9:29p
Subj: Qwk's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message Mike Labbe to Don Waybright it was said:

-> With these QWK's and such I am receiving now... Can a mail processor handle
-> these?  I honestly do not know... I have always associated such files
-> extentions with offline readers... Pardon my ignorance in this matter!

 ML> Absolutely - a QWK mail processor will handle them. Which
 ML> BBS software are you using?

I am running Maximus with good ole Squish and Squish style message bases... But
*.Msg areas can be used also...



Rds,
-=Don=-


--- timEd-B11
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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2657
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 02/10/94  9:30p
Subj: PC & DESQview                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message Mickey Ferguson to Don Waybright it was said:

 MF> I don't speak "Bink" but you can (and I used to) have
 MF> FrontDoor exit on an external event and run Planet Connect.
 MF> And yep, my board [1:116/205] runs on com1 while the
 MF> satellite data receiver is on com2.

Ok.... so you have FD (I use to speak FD'ish) exit out (and was on Com1 and
Have PC's stuff fire up on COM2... Are you telling DV to use comm ports?

Rds,
-=Don=-


--- timEd-B11
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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2658
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 02/11/94  9:25p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Feb 10, Glenn Caleval of 1:140/72@fidonet wrote to John Souvestre:

 GC> The specs also *explictly* provide that software
 GC> should be able to cope with unlimited msg size.

 JS> "Explictly"?  Please provide a quote.

 GC> John, because ...  let's graduate from the games :-)

In other words, you can't back up what you said.

=====

 GC> If you have deleted any mail that was not intended to end its
 GC> journey on your own system, without notifying the originator of
 GC> that msg, you ARE in violation of Policy 4.x

 JS> That's a very common, but incorrect, statement.  Does your mail
 JS> processor delete dupes?  How does it identify a message as a
 JS> dupe?  Does it use ANY method other than the seen-bys?  Where in
 JS> the specs is this method defined?

 GC> Now damned if I haven't lost my copy of Policy 4. I was convinced
 GC> that dupes were in fact identified.  If it doesn't I'll concede
 GC> the point as reasonable but not nearly compelling. In the meantime
 GC> I'll go find myself another copy to verify.

I await your reply.

 GC> As for my tosser, it does use Seen-bys, and whether it uses other
 GC> methods is irrelevant, because other methods of identifying -dupes-
 GC> I believe is not inconsistent with policy.

It seems that your previous statement was not quite accurate.

=====

 GC> ... but what I mean is "deal with the large msg without crashing
 GC> the system or negatively affecting other mail."
 ...
 GC> GEcho certainly will cope any size msg, truncating that which it
 GC> is incapable of tossing and preserving the header so the sender
 GC> may be alerted.

Your mail processor "copes" with large messages by modifying them.  Certainly
you must realize that this is in violation of P4, Section 2.1.5, unless there
is a technical basis for it.  Oops, you've already said that there was NO
technical reason, however, haven't you?

=====

 GC> Well instead of a bunch of us going through this again, would you
 GC> do us the courtesy of announcing *in*detail* to what exactly is it
 GC> that you, as our major link to the non-PC Fidonet nodes, are agreeing?

My agreement is BOP 1.03.

=====

Bottom line:

- You criticize Hubs for what you, yourself do.

- In spite of statements like "The specs also *explictly* provide that ..." now
it seems that you are unable to support your statements or even find a copy of
Policy 4, FTS-0001, FTS-004 or BOP - the four documents most important to
echomail and the Backbone.

Perhaps now you can see that the issue of "what to delete" is *far* from a
simple black-and-white issue.  They are many of grey areas and a constant
weighing of the benefit vs cost tradeoffs when making such decisions.  So
there's plenty to discuss, but I can tell you this:  Anyone who takes a
position at either extreme of this issue is most certainly wrong.  :-)

John

P.S.  You are welcome to FReq those four documents from me:  POLICY4.ARC,
FTS-0001.A15, FTS-0004.ARC and BOP_103.ARC.



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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2659
  To: MICKEY FERGUSON                          Date: 02/11/94  8:38a
Subj: Re: P C in korea                        Refer: NONE
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In a message of <10 Feb 94  02:59:03>, Mickey Ferguson (1:116/210) writes:

 MF>FH>Hello, Boyd.  Finally got my machine copying the satellite
 MF>FH>transmissions.  However, the explanation of the STATUS
 MF>
 MF>'bout time Fred!  A genuine ham radio moderator type ought to be
 MF>copying in by hand! <GRIN>

I tried, but my pencil lead burned up with the speed of writing... :-)

 MF>FH>indicators in the blue sheet documentation doesn't seem to
 MF>FH>match what I'm seeing on the display.
 MF>
 MF>FH>Is there a more detailed explanation of those abbreviations?
 MF>
 MF>Check QST for the latest in abbraviations. (Q signals?)

No, Mickey, I was speaking of the Status abbreviations on the PLANET CONNECT
monitor.  I've figured out that if there's an error in receiving, a "T" appears
 on the left side of the middle Status display.  Then when the upper display is
active for the same file, it won't get stored and either "TCH" or "TPH" appears
on the upper one.

The middle one also goes through a bunch of displays quickly at the end of
receiving a file -- it looks like "PB" and "uT" and some others that are too
fast to see.

Sometimes the upper display won't store the file and displays "TCH", even when
there are no errors in the middle display.


Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2660
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 02/11/94  8:56a
Subj: PC                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <10 Feb 94  00:42:54>, Don Waybright (1:264/100) writes:

 DW>I had PC up and running on my old machine just fine... I just received
 DW>my new machine and it's running.... Files are coming in... Final status
 DW>of "PH"
 DW>
 DW>But if i exit out of the program and go check the file dir:
 DW>C:\Planetc\Bridge\Files there are no files there!  Does the Key or the
 DW>software "know" I have changed machines <grin> and killing the files
 DW>off?

On my system, if you use any of the pull-down window features during a file
reception, that file will not be stored -- even if it comes through without
error indications.

I finally learned to keep my hands off the keyboard during file reception.


Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2661
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 02/11/94  8:47a
Subj: PLANET CONNECT-PCFU PROGRAM             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <10 Feb 94  05:15:01>, John Morano (1:391/1180) writes:

 JM>br>   I just got your PCFU program over the Satellite last week was
 JM>br>   looking to see if you are posting updates here on the BBS . I
 JM>
 JM>Keep an eye in the sky Bill, will be releasing another wide beta
 JM>this weekend over the bird...

Just started trying to implement the PCFU program.  I tried the MOV0 -fTIC -p
procedure to get a description file.  The text showed up on the screen just
fine, but there was never a file generated.

Any suggestions?


Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2662
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/10/94  3:31a
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  GC> The specs also *explictly* provide that software
 >  GC> should be able to cope with unlimited msg size.

 > "Explictly"?  Please provide a quote.

John, because you are so intimately connected with the evil GMD software, you
are a harder nut to crack [grin]. Without me going through the same range of
quoting that I did with the BOP, let me simply ask you as one who is a vital
link in the mail flow, are you even suggesting that the spec does NOT provide
for unlimited msg size? If you agree that the spec does indeed allow for
unlimited size, then your challenge is spurious, for debating points only. And
I know you agree about unlimited msg size, because 1) it's the truth and 2)
you've publicly stated so in the past. So let's graduate from the games :-)

 >  GC> This hobby is about communicating, not deleting communication.

 > You can't have effective communications when the noise level
 > gets too high.

The problem with that, of course, is that one person's noise is anothers music.
I will not accept that it is up to the volunteers to decide what will be noise
and what will be music. I even have a user who was promoting something called
Death Rock for a while. Just noise to me, but so what. All the better if he and
his twenty cronies around the world could exchange playable tunes in their own
echomail conference using 8bit chars :-)  Imagine the possibilities rather than
focussing on the need for limits [he cries from atop his permanent soap box]
:-))

 >  GC> If you have deleted any mail that was not intended to end its
 >  GC> journey on your own system, without notifying the originator of
 >  GC> that msg, you ARE in violation of Policy 4.x

 > That's a very common, but incorrect, statement.  Does your mail
 > processor delete dupes?  How does it identify a message as a
 > dupe?  Does it use ANY method other than the seen-bys?  Where in
 > the specs is this method defined?

Now damned if I haven't lost my copy of Policy 4. I was convinced that dupes
were in fact identified. If it doesn't I'll concede the point as reasonable but
not nearly compelling. In the meantime I'll go find myself another copy to
verify. As for my tosser, it does use Seen-bys, and whether it uses other
methods is irrelevant, because other methods of identifying -dupes- I believe
is not inconsistent with policy. Regardless, I have mine configured to use only
seen-bys so my personal habits are, I believe, completely consistent with
policy.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2663
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/10/94  3:45a
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  GC> I am not unsympathetic to people who run software that cannot
 >  GC> cope with various things like large masgs or high ascii. But
 >  GC> there are two simple facts: 1) such people are in a tiny minority
 >  GC> position and 2) there are relatively trivial ways for them to
 >  GC> cope with the problem on *their*own* system without imposing
 >  GC> their limitations on everyone else.

 > "Tiny minority".  Most of the mail processors I'm familiar with
 > will not handle a message of unlimited size.  Will yours?

Absolutely. I disagree with your belief about "most" mail processers. Note, I
used the word "cope" and you used the word "handle." Perhaps you are trying to
change meaning again, but what I mean is "deal with the large msg without
crashing the system or negatively affecting other mail." The typical excuse for
hub-based deletion is that some sysop claims that large size msgs hang their
system, trash their msg base or some other obsenity. If that is ever the case,
then these people have deep emotional problems forcing them to use software
that is inherently destabalizing to one's mental health.

GEcho certainly will cope any size msg, truncating that which it is incapable
of tossing and preserving the header so the sender may be alerted. Now, a
utility that would actually *contribute* to communication rather than
facilitate it's censorship, would be one that would take such headers and
create a netmail notify to the originator. Right now, if I receive an over
large msg (greater than 64k I think) I have to manually notify the sender altho
it has only happened once in my sysop "career." On that one occasion the sender
re-issued the msg in three parts and everyone benefited. What did *not* happen
was his msg get deleted and be lost to the intended recipients without their
knowledge.

 > As a standard it's a joke.

I sense that we have different views of what a spec should do. I believe they
should be results-oriented and not implimentation- oriented. So instead of
saying that automobiles must include a gadget of this size and composition, the
"specs" say automobiles may only produce x volume of emissions. How you ensure
the volume is x or less is up to you, but make sure it is in fact x or less.
So when "our" specs say that mail processors should be able to cope with high
"ascii," unlimited size msgs and prevent dupes, I don't care how they do it,
just so long as they do. In no instance should an external program be invoked
to delete that which the mail processor is incompetent to handle. Indeed, even
*if* it was accepted that a majority of mail processors were "broken" according
to spec, then something like GMD is a great *disservice* because it encourages
broken software. Better to let Joe's system choke on the non-spec software than
to externally "fix" it, so that he will quit using the junk and get something
acceptable.

.glenn.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2664
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/10/94  3:55a
Subj: Gmd                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  FD> Only if netmail=echomail, but that's a different echo's topic
 >  FD> right now, isn't it?

 >  AH> According to Policy, it is.

 > Only under one, specific circumstance.

Well instead of a bunch of us going through this again, would you do us the
courtesy of announcing *in*detail* to what exactly is it that you, as our major
link to the non-PC Fidonet nodes, are agreeing?

You are allowing us to be dependents which is very generous and very much
appreciated. But given your historic position it has become important to know
under what conditions that dependence exists given that you do not believe it
is based in Policy. Rather than you simply throwing out series of questions
meant to challenge people, why not provide us with *your* answers, so we know
what we can expect as a product of our dependence on your generously offered
service?

For example, do you believe you have the right to delete absolutely anything
you like without notice? Just what are the limits John?

.glenn.

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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2665
  To: LISA GRONKE                              Date: 02/10/94  7:13p
Subj: Nodediff.A35                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > It seems to me that the nodediff should be distributed via the
 > *C chain, else how can the *Cs be confident that the {nodes,
 > nets} in their segment of the nodelist have not gone off the
 > air?

Hi Lisa. It's just a matter of point of entry. Now that net140 is doing PC, the
diff comes to me and goes to the NC appointed local hub who then makes his
normal distribution run. The feedback is therefore intact without the LD call
from Regina to Saskatoon. Soon not even our NC will have to poll for the diff
as another PC system is following there and will supply the NC himself with the
.diff.

.glenn.

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From: PAUL CORMIER                           Number: 2666
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 02/10/94  1:57p
Subj: UseNet newgroups                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GV>PC> Could someone give me a list of some sort of UseNet
GV>PC> newsgroups that Planet Connect caries?

GV>i think that pcusenet.txt is that list.

It seems that's the list.  However, it was sent once around Jan 26 or
so, and my satellite system was down during that period, so I never
received it.

Hopefully Boyd will send another "updated" copy soon...

Paul

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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 2667
  To: GREG SHAFFER                             Date: 02/11/94  2:19a
Subj: OS2NET & ZyXNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Greg!

09 Feb 94 13:10, Greg Shaffer wrote to Joe Patterson:

 GS> Joe Patterson wrote in a message to Anyone:

 JP>> Hello Anyone. :{)

 JP>> Is the subject network carried on PC_Connect?

 JP>> Is ZyXNet carried on PC_CONNECT?



Files ONLY... that the file echo's that on the file bone... Not the Zyxel
Nodelist file echo's or Message echo's...

Thank you,
         Brian



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From: BRIAN HESS                             Number: 2668
  To: JOE PATTERSON                            Date: 02/11/94  2:20a
Subj: OS2NET & ZyXNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Joe!

09 Feb 94 13:10, Greg Shaffer wrote to Joe Patterson:

 GS> Joe Patterson wrote in a message to Anyone:

 JP>> Hello Anyone. :{)

 JP>> Is the subject network carried on PC_Connect?

 JP>> Is ZyXNet carried on PC_CONNECT?

 GS> Yup.....


yes and No 3 file echo's text files, roms, zyxel tools, that on the file bonew
yes... Zyxelnet Nodelist and message echo;s NO..... you have to get those from
land lines....
Thank you,
         Brian



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From: TONY CREMONESE                         Number: 2669
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/11/94 10:39a
Subj: USA TODAY!                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No



I've been waiting for USA Today to show up. Glad to see it's here! Where do I
send my money?  :-)

Gotta do something about getting it here earlier in the day, though. Here on
the
coast of Maine, we like to see the morning news in the morning during
breakfast,
not for lunch. Since the USA Today file is always named the same, it shouldn't
be
much of a trick for a Canadien brain, ay, ya'll, whatever?

My log shows that there is usually an errorlevel drop to DOS between 5:00 and
8:00 am every day. It would be "wonderful" if USA Today was in that batch of
files.

Now, I know you're working on it. I guess I'm checking on your progress.

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From: BILL ROPER                             Number: 2670
  To: TYE HAMMERLE                             Date: 02/11/94  3:42p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> BR>if you don't have a severe attitude problem, your messages
-> BR>certainly do come off that way.....
->
-> I generally have a good attitude, perhaps I felt particularly venomou
-> day but you seem a bit teste today. I felt my writing was quite tempe

perhaps we had simultaneous bad days.....

-> BR>and prior to that those SDN weenies were distributing .PAK
-> BR>files with .SDN extension.....
->
-> Must be way before my time as I have never seen one of those.

then your time is evidently relatively short.....  the changeover
from PAK to ARJ started in June of '93......

-> BR>and yes, I do have an idean other than DEL .SDN...
-> BR>how about     FORMAT C:
->
-> Not a very nice thing to propose especially from one who thinks MY ma
-> bad.

I was corrected by someone...   it should have been
ECHO Y|FORMAT C:

-> BR>as a less destructive alternative, you might take a quick
-> BR>course on manners....
->
-> Perhaps you could refrain from replying if you have nothing enlighten
-> add to the discussion. Even though PC is cheap and the bandwidth isn'
-> so critical we're still adding to the mess of trivial BS floating aro
-> apologies for continuing it.

I seldom do reply to messages that arouse my ire....   I generally
just try to "enjoy" them....

apology accepted (I realize that probably was not intended for me, but
you said it, so I'll accept it (g).....)

cheers...

Bill...


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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2671
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 02/12/94 12:36p
Subj: Re: Newsgroups                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Also, when do you plan on sending out some more newsgroups. I think
> the count is currently around 1440.

 Just got the 57.6k ISA adaptor in and hooked up to the ISDN line. Once our
provider has a few small bugs out of his ISDN system we will be increasing the
load on a daily bases. This is basically still testing and thats why you are
not paying for anything right now.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2672
  To: TIM LAJOIE                               Date: 02/12/94 12:38p
Subj: Re: UseNet NewsGroup Feed!              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> Boyd, I just got off of the phone with one of your Tech's and the
> reason I called was to find out WHY the USENET feed is so UNSTABLE. I
> mean, some days we get 11 files, the next 4 , today 2 , and some days NO
> files? I asked the Tech, he said he couldn't give me a reason and then
> put me on hold and then came back and said "I'm sorry Sir, we cannot
> give you an answer at this time.". What gives???

   Still testing. Once the ISDN lines are solid then everything will be on a
daily bases.

> When can we expect a STABLE flow of NewsGroups? Please respond boyd,
> I have asked this question directly to you now 3 times and would very
> much appreciate an answer.


    Once we have a stable flow we will start charging for the Usenet. As I said
we are still testing.

...Boyd

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From: JACK MORGAN                            Number: 2673
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/11/94  9:40p
Subj: RAID.                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


    Is anyone having problems with Raid autocreating .TIC files that have an
Areadesc in it?  Raid seems to be picking up the word that comes after Areadesc
instead of Area.  The .TIC files coming from the HAM FDN's have these in them.
I'm proabably just have something set wrong, hopefully someone will point it
out
to me.

Thanks a million,

Jack
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From: ROBERT KOHLER                          Number: 2674
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 02/10/94 11:56p
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Floyd!

Wednesday February 09 1994 13:09, Floyd Drennon wrote to David Unfried:

 DU>> Unlike standard phone line connections, Planet Connect is a wireless
 DU>> service, and their satellite signal can be received by anyone.

If you would look at the contract, you would see that when you buy the
satellite receiver PSI retains ownership to the descrambler board inside of it.
So your statement is somewhat in error.

 FD> Then why is a dongle required?  In other words, it makes no difference who
 FD> *can* receive it if they can't use it after they receive it.

The dongle is to make sure that people who want to receive the Planet Connect
signal pay for it.... you get an update code that is entered into the dongle
that says you can continue to receive the signal each time you pay the
subscription fees.

Robert

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From: MARK STEIGER                           Number: 2675
  To: DAVID UNFRIED                            Date: 02/12/94  2:27a
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DU> DH> And don't forget which newsgroups will be included with the feed. I hav
  > DH> heard rumblings about Planet Connect "censoring" the UseNet traffic in
  > DH> sysop echos of three different networks! __ \/ dj

  >separately. The possibility exists that explicit or obscene (as interpreted
  >local courts in various areas of the county) material could get in the hands
  >people under 18. Here's the rub. We have all kinds of protection using priva
  >point to point phone line connections but "broadcasting" over satellite is
  >different. Even if the chances are remote and other services "are doing it"
  >guess is they are reluctant to mess with it and become vulerable.

That possibility is there regardless of the transportation media.. I've
been reading usenet since I was about 16.  I read alot of the echos you
are thinking of...  If they don't get it off of here, they will get it
from elsewhere...  I want a full feed.  Including ALL of the alt.sex
areas.  If any of the ALT areas or any other group is censored, I won't
sign up...  Pagesat offers a FULL feed.  All groups...  PC wouldn't be
liable for anything they transmit..  That would be impossible.. It's
like a BBS, not liable for things that the Sysop is unaware of... If a
minor has access to a dish, and some knowledge on how the data feed
works, they can recieve it without PC software and read it..  That
exists with Pagesat too, but they believe in the 1st ammendment to its
entirety...

DU>I have no idea why they would censor sysop echos, but I can see problems wit
  >carrying some of the newsgroups I've seen in the past, including
  >alt.vomit.fondle and alt.sex.bestiality. (g)

Some of thegroups you mention here are big hits with some of my
subscribers... :)


Mark

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2676
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 02/12/94  3:36p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On Feb 12, Al Hays of 1:363/89 wrote to John Souvestre:

 AH> Section 2 of my copy of Policy 4 certianly dictates the terms of routing.

 JS> Where does P4 define how my cost-sharing plan works?

 AH> It doesn't ... neither does that have any bearing on the debate at hand.

Yes it does.  It affects who connects with me.

=====

 AH> Section 2 of my copy of Policy 4 certianly dictates the terms of routing.

 JS> - Do I have to route your outgoing netmail?

 AH> No.  However, if you have previously agreed to route Netmail, ...

"Previously agreed"?  I thought your position was that P4 defined it.

=====

 AH> Section 2 of my copy of Policy 4 certianly dictates the terms of routing.

JS> - Do I have to route any echo you want, even though I don't want to carry
JS> it?  What if I have to make an extra call to get that "TALK_DIRTY" echo
JS> that you want?  Oh, you only want Backbone echoes?  Where does P4 define
JS> the Backbone?

 AH> This is EXACTLY what I ment by "non-related."  The debate is about
 AH> _killing_ messages that you have _ALREADY_ agreed to route.

You claim that routing is fully defined by P4.  Now you are talking about prior
agreements.  I think that it's clear that your original statement was
incorrect.  P4 does not define what I've agreed to route and P4 quite clearly
says (Section 2.1.7) that I need only worry about messages which I agreed to
route.  Indeed, sending me messages other than which I've agreed to route is
consider annoying according to P4.

You seem to feel that there is only one possible set of specs for echomail.
Wrong.  If you check P4 again you won't find echomail specs referenced anywhere
at all.  That's up to the parties exchanging the echomail to agree on.  For
example, if I don't agree to route messages which are older than 20 days, and
you send me one, then according to P4 I can kill it without any further
obligations.

 AH> Section 2 of my copy of Policy 4 certianly dictates the terms of routing.

Wrong!

John

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From: LEE BONNIFIELD                         Number: 2677
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 02/14/94  1:36a
Subj: Be a TVLIST distributor?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DO> Lee, a good number of us are mail hubs without local user bases.
DO> The TVAGENT stuff dies on the downlink system.  So far you, or
DO> whomever, have decided we can't net feed this stuff on to any other
DO> systems that support users.

Thanks for recognizing the possibility that *I* didn't make that decision.

DO> Whomever that person is remains completely blind to the
DO> possibilities of the media.  I feed mail to between 80 and 120 nodes
DO> in the Memphis area and would be happy to net forward this stuff on to
DO> those who wish to subscribe.  Tell that 'whomever' to wake up.  :-)

I asked our marketing dept (that is, I took a time slice from Joe's
brain) and found he was not asleep, and is considering future
marketing variations. Meanwhile he is NOT blind; he INVENTED this
media. He'd like to sell more dishes, and that's one reason to keep
certain benefits for subscribing systems only. Another reason is to
avoid the ill-will and frustration that could be caused if some BBS
we've never heard of promises to provide the listings. Suppose many
callers to that BBS subscribe to TV Agent, and then the BBS quits
carrying the listings. Who is going to get the complaints, and
requests for refunds on TV Agent?

So, sorry mail hubs, the policy stands for now. But we ARE aware
you're dumping the TVLIST*.ARC, and look forward to future
arrangements where you WON'T. I'd appreciate netmail indicating your
frustrated interest.

Is my netmail getting out? All you who wrote me saying I should
recommend your board as a source of TVLIST*.ARC to wannabe TV Agent
users, I replied to you. But Boyd & I are new to POINTing and I have
no evidence so far that anybody receives what I route out.

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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2678
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/13/94  4:42p
Subj: Assistance please                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

PTCCMain is not erroring out after the end of a cycle.  I am using the 1.28
version I received a few days ago.

Also when I get a UPLD.Lst Garbage on the screen:

failed to make dir < High ascii garbage >UPLD.Lst

Any suggestion as to what I have done wrong here?





Rds,
-=Don=-

... Richmond's Satellite Connection

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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2679
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/13/94  6:28p
Subj: Fido Backbone                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi All!

Is there a listing somewhere of all the Fidonet Backbone echomail areas that
are coming in via PC?  I have not yet tossed any of the mail and have
inquiryies at to what areas are available..





Rds,
-=Don=-

... Richmond's Satellite Connection

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From: RICHARD D. BONEBRAKE                   Number: 2680
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 02/13/94  2:00p
Subj: PC & DESQview                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >>I just put PC up on a 286-12 as a server with LANtastic v 5.0 and use the
 >>386 as a workstation to access it.  The 286 isn't anything special (8250
 >>UART's - yes they work fine, 250 Mb WD IDE drive, LANtastic AE2 cards in
 >>both machines).

 > Charlie,
 >        You must be lucky, I put PC up on a dedicated
 > 386SX-25 and
 >        when I accessed the machine via my LAN, the
 > files being
 >        received got errors... I had to install a 16550
 > and the
 >        fixed the problem...
 > Dave P.
I am running PC on a 286-12 using a 16550 and lantastic 5.0. It doesn't seem
that anything will make it hicup unless I try to drop to dos and am into the
same drive on lantastic at the same time. This will lock the 286 up. Other than
that it works great.I went on line 3 days ago and have been trying to fail it
ever sence. Looks very sollid here.

Sincerely,
Richard D. Bonebrake


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From: RICHARD D. BONEBRAKE                   Number: 2681
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/13/94  2:07p
Subj: FidoNet Hub Fees                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Hello Mark!

 > In a message to All <02/05/94> Mark Krieg wrote:

 > MK> I was curious what other Planet Connect systems are charging as a
 > MK> hub fee for nodes to take FidoNet feeds?


We are in a small net so we are charging $6.00 a month.

Sincerely,
Richard D. Bonebrake


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From: BERT KENNEDY                           Number: 2682
  To: BOYD                                     Date: 02/13/94  9:45p
Subj: Again                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Boyd I have not seen a responce to my question about RADIST and weather you had
contacted Ronnie at HQ? Also what if any policy do you subscribe to on picking
up new feeds from the appropriate HQ? Sure would like to see it on here...She
told me she was waiting to hear from you..
Thanks and I will wait with great anticipation for your reply...


Bert

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From: MICKEY FERGUSON                        Number: 2683
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 02/15/94  3:44a
Subj: PC & DESQview                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DW>In a message Mickey Ferguson to Don Waybright it was said:

DW>Ok.... so you have FD (I use to speak FD'ish) exit out (and
DW>was on Com1 and Have PC's stuff fire up on COM2... Are you
DW>telling DV to use comm ports?

Sorry for the delay in replying, but due to the great ice storm of '94 we've
been out of power for a couple of days.  But I've been on the job for that
time, so even if we had power, I'd never seen your message til now. ;(

Nope...I keep DV in the dark about com ports.  Optimize Communications = OFF
and the use com ports part of the individual program setup is blank

73...Mickey

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2684
  To: AL HAYS                                  Date: 02/14/94 11:59a
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Al.

First you start off by claiming that routing is fully defined by P4.  I gave
you examples of routing issues which certainly are not covered by P4.  You then
acknowledged that there were indeed agreements made by Hubs.

Now you are trying to say that P4 dictates the technical specs of those
agreements.  Wrong!

You refuse to accept the concept of a message which I didn't agree to route
coming to my system.  Then you go off on some tangent talking about handling of
messages which I *did* agree to route, while totally ignoring the ones that I
didn't agree to route.  I'm not required to return anything which I didn't
agree to route in the first place.

You then talk about such things as Groupmail implying that I am bound to route
it by P4.  Wrong!  Not unless I agree to.

To top it off, you end up where you started:

 AH> Section 2 of my copy of Policy 4 certianly dictates
 AH> the terms of routing.

 JS> Wrong!

 AH> Then you obviously are not looking at Policy 4.

You certainly are confused about what routing agreements consist of.

John

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2685
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 02/14/94 12:09p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn.

 JS> In other words, you can't back up what you said.

 GC> Here it is in a simple yes or no question, then.

No, Glenn, I'm not going to fall for that tatic.  You said that the spec's
"explicitly" stated something.  I challenged that statement.  Can you back it
up or not?  Once we resolve this issue, I'll be glad to move on to another.

 GC> If another copy of the same msg
 GC> comes along, I can willfully delete it because I have
 GC> ALREADY delivered it. Therefore I am not in fact
 GC> deleting the msg, I am simply doing maintenance.

"Maintenance", not deleting messages (dupes).  Earlier you were soapboxing that
it was illegal to delete a message for any reason other than what Policy
allowed.  Now you are hedging on what "delete" means and you are saying that
it's OK to go Policy.  So much for your earlier statement.

Sure, I think that there are times that it is OK to delete messages, and not
all of them are covered by Policy.  I just objected to your earlier "extremist"
statement.  :-)

 GC> Dupes are proper deletion targets because they are
 GC> simply msgs that have already been delivered. Dupes are
 GC> poper deletion targets because they are simply msgs
 GC> that have already been delivered. Has this msg been
 GC> delivered yet? Dupes are proper deletion targets
 GC> because they are simply msgs that have already been
 GC> delivered...

I agree more or less, with one BIG exception:  There is nothing "simple" about
detecting dupes.  Here's a few reasons off the top of my head:

- Seen-bys get stripped (to save money and when zone-gated).

- EID's didn't work as well as planned.  Some software falsely detected
non-dupes as dupes, too.

- MSGID's don't always work.  There's one package which uses the same MSGID for
every message it sends!  There are others which used the same MSGID if messages
are sent withing once second of another.

- CRC's over messages, or parts of messages, are often fooled by minor changes
to the message, like capitalizing the header fields.  Also, they are often
incorrect, especially if only a 16 bit CRC is used.

 GC> ... that I also state that the method GEcho has for dealing
 GC> large msgs provides me the ability to notify the
 GC> sender. Hence I am able to delete and notify per Policy 4.

No, I believe that you said that it truncated (modified) the message, not
deleted it.

 GC> ... I must ask you please to be more detailed
 GC> in what you think you are agreeing to when you say your
 GC> agreement is BOP.

Do you have a problem understand BOP?  I don't think that I can put it any
better.  If you have specific questions, ask away.

 GC> Please list the *specific*criteria*
 GC> you use to delete echomail passing through your system.

Let's see....  If Squish declares it a dupe or grunged or too large (I have
mine set at 64K if memory serves) it gets deleted.  I have GMD set to delete
for bad date fields and messages which are older than 20 days.  I also have
some software which detects "packet ramming" which I am not at liberty to
discuss for the obvious security reasons.

 GC> If a msg does not make it off my system I will notify the
 GC> *originator* of the msg and GEcho copes in such a way
 GC> as to make that possible.

You notify the *originator* of a dupe message?  Why?

 GC> GMD deletion does not do that period.

Thanks God!  That would be teribbly annoying.

 GC> ... you should not be deleting high chars. Do you disagree with that?

No.  Certainly not in the body (non-control fields) of a message.

 GC> How can it be that such management is possible on my old patched
 GC> together system and not be possible on anyone elses.
 GC> Poof! it's magic.

No, I don't think so.  I doubt that you notify ANYONE, let alone the
originator, when you delete a dupe.

John

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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2686
  To: TONY CREMONESE                           Date: 02/14/94 11:51a
Subj: PC & DESQVIEW                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <12 Feb 94  10:16:00>, Tony Cremonese (1:326/406) writes:

 TC>Is the Planet Connect software 16550 aware? I heard that it wasn't. How
 TC>do you fire up the 16550 features? I think if I could get the 16550
TC>working with PC, I could run the server software on the satellite server.
 TC>
 TC>Another question for you or anybody ... I get files with no errors that
 TC>are "TPH" or trashed (?). Is that because the file was trashed at the
 TC>Planet Connect end?

That happens to me too, Tony.  If you watch the monitor status lines closely,
when the "CB" is shown during the reception phase, there will occasionally be a
"PB" flash before the end of the transmission.  Nothing shows up in the error
count, but I've noticed that the file will indicate "TPH" when it is supposed
to be saved.

Might be due to a flock of birds or airplane flying through the signal...

BTW, does anyone have any documentation on what those status abbreviations
mean?  I haven't been able to find any references to them except for the blue
sheets and those descriptions don't match.


Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2687
  To: JOHN MORANO                              Date: 02/14/94 11:57a
Subj: PLANET CONNECT-PCFU PROGRAM             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <12 Feb 94  13:09:01>, John Morano (1:391/1180) writes:

 JM>Most likely you are running the 199C version and I beleive that the
 JM>README.1ST file that was sent out with that version notified you that
 JM>the -fTIC filespec and the -p switch would not work properly....  ;-)
 JM>
 JM>I just hatched the 199E version to the bird, and that little problem
 JM>has been resolved. New updates to the program can always be freq'ed on
 JM>1:391/1180 using the magic name PCFU .

Thanks for the response, John.  I've been using your program for the last week
or so and so far it seems to work fine.  I'm just a beginner here, so some of
my questions may be pretty elementary.  I did find the comment in the README
file after I posted the question.

Fred.


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2688
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 02/14/94 12:00p
Subj: Fido Backbone                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <13 Feb 94  18:28:21>, Don Waybright (1:264/100) writes:

 DW>Is there a listing somewhere of all the Fidonet Backbone echomail areas
 DW>that are coming in via PC?  I have not yet tossed any of the mail and
 DW>have inquiryies at to what areas are available..

They're listed in FIDONET.NA and FIDONET.NO.  I wrote a Basic program to pull
the area titles out and create a batch file that then creates the directories.
It also creates an AREAS.BBS for Qmail for tossing.

New copies of FIDONET.NA and FIDONET.NO were just sent over the bird yesterday.

If you didn't get them, you can usually find them on one of your local Fidonet
BBSs.

Fred.


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2689
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/14/94 12:04p
Subj: Question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I've finally got Qmail tossing messages into the proper directories.

But now I need to know how to purge all those directories.  Is there an easy
way to do that?  I use REN to purge messages on my BBS, but that would take
*forever* on the 600 directories on my PC satellite machine.  :-(

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 2690
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/14/94  6:21p
Subj: Re: PLANET CONNECT-PCFU PROGRAM         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

BG>    John 199E has a CRC mismatch here and TICK will not
BG> process it.

And the H version I just sent has the same problem, I just sent you a new
*.tic to go with that PCFU199E.ZIP, that's hanging around your inbound
directory somewhere, that will CRC check ok with it. I have to remember not to
make any changes to the thing after I hatch it don't I...   ;-)

John...

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From: LAZ GOTTLI                             Number: 2691
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 02/14/94  9:16p
Subj: renewal reminder's                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Boyd,

 >   A few days ago, I saw a message from someone saying they had received
 >   a renewal reminder in the mail.  Is this policy for PC?  If not, will
 >   it be?  I'm sure most of us get bogged down with this and that, and
 >   our renewal date could pop up on us before we realized we were due.

I promise you.. YOU will know when your 10 days come up! mine came up when I
was away from home and I got back late friday night. I had to wait until monday
to get my renewal. I called long distance during the day to stop that anoying
beeping everytime the program was started.. It kept the family up a good part
of the week and me the rest of the weekend!

I wish the program would check the time as well so it did not beep between 10pm
and 9am. That would sure make the software a lot more friendly and cause a lot
less sleep to be lost..

Hey Boyd???  what do you say?

TTYL
      Laz

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2692
  To: WAYNE MCCREIGHT                          Date: 02/14/94 10:12p
Subj: Test!                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Wayne!

In a message to All <02/13/94> Wayne Mccreight wrote:

WM> Hey guys,
WM>  Just checking to see if this is getting out.

I think it did.

Joe

 * WCE 1.5/2107 * John Wayne would have used WcEDIT!

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From: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                    Number: 2693
  To: WAYNE MCCREIGHT                          Date: 02/14/94 12:51p
Subj: Re: Test!                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On 02-13-94  19:38, Wayne Mccreight munched on a Tribble and said to
 All about Test!
 WM> Hey guys,
 WM> Just checking to see if this is getting out.


Made it to my system at about 11:15 a.m. today (14 Feb).

                            -=<-Katherine->=-



... What if there were no hypothetical situations?
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From: MARK KRIEG                             Number: 2694
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/14/94  5:00p
Subj: Microsoft                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I've seen a "Microsoft" network advertised in the Planet Connect
ad being run in BoardWatch magazine, but haven't seen anything
coming over the bird... I was wondering what this is, and how to
get it!

Also, I was wondering if there was some kind of text file
describing what's currently available on the bird, what's to come,
and contact points for services that are "network approved" only.
If there's not, I'd be willing to help with such a file... if I
can have a netmail contact at PC to keep updated with the info. It
would be nice to have a monthly post of something like this placed
in our ".\skydata\personal" directory.

 * SLMR 2.1a * I'm Clinton of Borg, prepare your income for assimilation
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From: MARK KRIEG                             Number: 2695
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/14/94  5:17p
Subj: Virus                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Just a word of caution...

I came home today to find an alert by Norton Anti Virus for Netware.
I have this NLM scan the inbound data stream of my Novell file server
constantly. Today via the node with the satellite receiver, I got an
alert that the file:

  FASORT.LZH

...contained a MtE Encrypted virus.

...............................................................
. Mark Krieg    . YorkNet:  @route:nethost1, 500:500/1        .
. Cool Baby BBS . FidoNet:  1:270/612.0            |""""|     .
. York, Pa USA  . Internet: [e-mail] | ^^ |     .
. 717-751-0855  . RelayNet: 5244                  [( Oo )]    .
...............................................oOO..(__)..OOo..
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From: BURT JUDA                              Number: 2696
  To: JEREMY HALL                              Date: 02/15/94  3:15a
Subj: Re: How In The World...                 Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

On <Jan 29>, Jeremy Hall (1:116/150) writes:

  > On a Unix machine, in which directory might I find my site's
  > config file as to which groups I get?

Normally, it's  /usr/lib/news/sys.

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From: CRAIG CLARK                            Number: 2697
  To: DAVID UNFRIED                            Date: 02/14/94 12:28a
Subj: Nodediff.A35                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

David Unfried wrote in a message to Craig Clark:

DU> All I asked was why not include a flag in the config for a
DU> downlink to receive good old fashioned or "stoneage" TIC
DU> files without the "Areadesc" or "TO:" verbs which break
DU> Raid. Their response is that they do not provide such a
DU> function for "obvious business reasons."

You've got a point there; thanks for letting me know what the other side of the
coin looks like.  I've never run Raid; Allfix was my first (and only so far)
file processor.

-=- Craig.

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From: CHUCK WARREN                           Number: 2698
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/15/94  4:12p
Subj: Re: renewal reminder's                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    Yes it will be policy to send out notices to all subscribers.

   Thanks for the quick reply Boyd.

   Chuck


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From: GLENN VERMETTE                         Number: 2699
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 02/15/94 11:59p
Subj: Re: Fido Backbone                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

*** Quoting Don Waybright to All ***

DW> Hi All!
DW>
DW> Is there a listing somewhere of all the Fidonet Backbone echomail
DW> areas that are coming in via PC?  I have not yet tossed any of
DW> the mail and have inquiryies at to what areas are available..

Everything that is in the FIDONET.NA and FIDONET.NO lists are going over the
satellite.  Those two files, if you don't have them, are transmitted once a
week....watch for them.

Glenn

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From: DAVID JOHNSON                          Number: 2700
  To: MARK KRIEG                               Date: 02/15/94  8:59p
Subj: Virus                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

MK> Just a word of caution...
MK>
MK> I came home today to find an alert by Norton Anti Virus for Netware.
MK> I have this NLM scan the inbound data stream of my Novell file server
MK> constantly. Today via the node with the satellite receiver, I got an
MK> alert that the file:
MK>
MK>   FASORT.LZH
MK>
MK> ...contained a MtE Encrypted virus.

it was a false alarm.

 * KWQ/2 1.2d NR * It's the Borg! Quick, look useless! Load Windows NT!
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From: KEITH WINEKA                           Number: 2701
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/14/94  8:18a
Subj: Newsgroups                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  Just got the 57.6k ISA adaptor in and hooked up to the ISDN line. Once
 > our provider has a few small bugs out of his ISDN system we will be
 > increasing the load on a daily bases. This is basically still testing
 > and thats why you are not paying for anything right now.

Have the fees been decided yet on what it will cost?

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From: CHARLIE CARTER                         Number: 2702
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 02/15/94  8:32p
Subj: Lantastic and pc                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > How do others run with 2 machines, dish feed, and a bbs with 2
 > nodes?  I am open for suggestions and areas that I should
 > watch for when setting it up.  I am familar with LANtastic at

286-12 as a server for the dish feed, 386-25 as a workstation for the BBS.  I
use SkyMail and have it write a semaphore file when all of the mail and files
come in.  FrontDoor checks for the semaphore and then moves the mail and files
over to the 386 and processes them (quicker than using the 286 for processing).
 Using LANtastic AE2 cards on both machines.

<-> Charlie <->

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 2703
  To: TONY CREMONESE                           Date: 02/15/94  5:40p
Subj: PC & DESQVIEW                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Is the Planet Connect software 16550 aware? I heard that it wasn't.

Yes, and it's automatic. Since adding that feature, I can copy files from the
PC machine across the LAN without causing errors in reception.

--- FLAME v1.0
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From: TIM LAJOIE                             Number: 2704
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/14/94 12:20a
Subj: Re: UseNet NewsGroup Feed               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->    Still testing. Once the ISDN lines are solid then everything will
-> daily bases.
->
-> > When can we expect a STABLE flow of NewsGroups? Please respond boyd
-> > I have asked this question directly to you now 3 times and would ve
-> > much appreciate an answer.
->
->
->     Once we have a stable flow we will start charging for the Usenet.
-> we are still testing.

    Ok, thanks Boyd, thats all I needed to hear. Wasn't to keen on being
told that I couldn't get an answer. Anywho, have you finalized the fee
structure yet?


Cheers!
Tim Lajoie,
SysOp - The Collosus Soo Resource Net


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From: WALLACE SHELDON                        Number: 2705
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/15/94  4:05p
Subj: John Souvestre                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Come on guys, haven't you figured out that trying to reason with this guy is
useless?  He won't address the questions directly, counters with totaly
irrelevant tirades and is completely incapable of seeing anyone else's point of
view.  He obviously doesn't want to be confused with the facts because his mind
is made up.  It's simply not possible to reason with him.

        Wally


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From: MAX VONDERHORST                        Number: 2706
  To: FRED HATFIELD                            Date: 02/15/94  8:28p
Subj: Question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Fred Hatfield wrote in a message to All:

FH> I've finally got Qmail tossing messages into the proper
FH> directories.

Fred, you should upgrade to Qm 1.31.  Also unless you want to do two pass
processing or store the messages on your drive you should use the one pass
method where it takes the incoming .PKT files and tosses them to the outbound
.PKT files without passing through any *.MSG phase at all.

I use the commandline:  Qm Toss Scan Pack -Q -severy_day

This causes it to toss PASSTHRU message areas directly from incoming to
outgoing
.PKT file in one easy step.  Also Qm 1.31 uses a single dupe file for PASSTHRU
echomail areas so you don't have to have a gadzillion directories containing
only one QMDUPE.DAT file per directory for the passthru areas.

Regards,
           Max

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From: ART MACK                               Number: 2707
  To: STEVE HUSK                               Date: 02/15/94  9:30p
Subj: Test                                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Steve!

In a message to All <02/09/94> Steve Husk wrote:

SH> Hello everyone, this is just a message to test our set up with Planet Con


Its working......



NFE BBS   nfe.com   1:201/70   317-447-9653

 * WCE 1.5/2087 * NFE Multiline 25 Gigs  nfe.com  1:201/70  317-447-9653


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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2708
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 02/14/94 10:47a
Subj: Re: renewal reminder's                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> it be?  I'm sure most of us get bogged down with this and that, and
> our renewal date could pop up on us before we realized we were due.


   Yes it will be policy to send out notices to all subscribers.


...Boyd

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2709
  To: BERT KENNEDY                             Date: 02/14/94 10:54a
Subj: Re: Again                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

> contacted Ronnie at HQ? Also what if any policy do you subscribe to on
> picking up new feeds from the appropriate HQ? Sure would like to see it
> on here...She told me she was waiting to hear from you..
> Thanks and I will wait with great anticipation for your reply...

   I have alread sent her mail a long while back stating that we will not call
and pick it up. If we cant get it from our feed we wont send it. We do not want
to set a presendency were if we do it for her then every other FDN can
basically say "Call us or you wont get it!". Do you see our point?


....Boyd

--- DB B2106/004770
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From: TIM FIERRO                             Number: 2710
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/12/94  7:17p
Subj: Lantastic and pc                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Ordered the dish yesterday, now getting the setups ready to go. What are some
recommendations with the equipment I got?

QEMM 7.03 and DV 2.62 arrived yesterday.  LANtastic NOS v 5.0 arrived last
week.  I have 2 2mb cards, but I HAVE NOT installed the LAN yet until I decide
a route for me to take.  I have the following two machines;

386-40dx with 20mb of ram
2 345mb drives with 2 doublespaced drives of D: and G: to hold all the mail.
I run 2 nodes on this machine for a PCBoard bbs at this time with no problems.

386-33sx with 4mb or ram and a 510mb drive and no double spaced on it.  I have
DOS 6.2 installed on both.

I have not set the LAN up yet since I don't know the direction of where I
should go yet.  I haven't decided if the BBS machine should be a WORKSTATION
only and move the mail drives over to the other machine so that all the mail is
done on the Server where the dish will be, I am assuming at this time the dish
feed will be on the sx since the bbs machine is running fine and I don't know
if re-organizing drive assignments other than mail would be beneficial.

How do others run with 2 machines, dish feed, and a bbs with 2 nodes?  I am
open for suggestions and areas that I should watch for when setting it up.  I
am familar with LANtastic at work, but only just bought it for the home system.
 I also held off on installation as I heard it was best to get the QEMM/DV
upgrade and also upgrade to NOS 5.0.  With all software up to the latest
levels, now it is time to dedicate what hardware gets what.

Appreciate any advice on setup from all, especially those who are running
similar setups.


TRENDS! Goes On-Line 03/01/94 Live For The King & Pierce County Areas!

===
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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2711
  To: RICK ASHWORTH                            Date: 02/14/94  1:30p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Rick,

12 Feb 94, 19:38, Rick Ashworth wrote to Floyd Drennon:

 FD>> Ratification of any policy that supplements or expands the
 FD>> requirements of P4 itself.

 RA> You think Fidonet owns all echomail areas?  Any echomail areas?

I don't think that's been clearly defined.  I certainly don't think the
moderator owns them, that's for sure.



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From: DAVID UNFRIED                          Number: 2712
  To: ROBERT KOHLER                            Date: 02/14/94 12:59a
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Robert!

Thursday February 10 1994 23:56, Robert Kohler wrote to Floyd Drennon:

 RK> Wednesday February 09 1994 13:09, Floyd Drennon wrote to David Unfried:

 DU>>> Unlike standard phone line connections, Planet Connect is a wireless
 DU>>> service, and their satellite signal can be received by anyone.

 RK> If you would look at the contract, you would see that when you buy the
 RK> satellite receiver PSI retains ownership to the descrambler board inside
 RK> of it. So your statement is somewhat in error.

My statement is the signal can be received by anyone, anywhere. It is probably
absolutely useless without the descrambler, but the signal is still sent over
airwaves. Therefore, it is subject to FCC regulations as a wireless
communications service. My original comment was that there may be certain
regulatory requirements including responsibilities that are not required if we
were talking about a network of computers utilizing dial up lines or even the
Internet.

David

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From: DAVID UNFRIED                          Number: 2713
  To: JACK MORGAN                              Date: 02/14/94  1:08a
Subj: RAID.                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Jack!

Friday February 11 1994 21:40, Jack Morgan wrote to ALL:

 JM>     Is anyone having problems with Raid autocreating .TIC files that have
 JM> an Areadesc in it?

Yes. Tick works fine but Raid cannot handle "Areadesc"

 JM>  Raid seems to be picking up the word that comes after
 JM> Areadesc instead of Area.  The .TIC files coming from the HAM FDN's have
 JM> these in them. I'm proabably just have something set wrong, hopefully
 JM> someone will point it out to me.

I believe Allfix is responsible for creating these incompatible files.
I have to manually edit the second line out of the TICK files to use the
autocreate function.

David

--- GoldED 2.40.P0720
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From: ALEX STUART                            Number: 2714
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 02/07/94  2:28p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

AH> *NO* *ONE* has the right to stop, or delete, in-transit echomail
AH> due to the existenance of these charachters and *ANYONE* who does
AH> so is in clear violation of POLICY4.

jb> You can't just drop Routed NetMail off at a HUBs door and
jb> expect them to route it on up-stream..  I handle routed
jb> NetMail for Net147..  And if someone from Net234 dropped off

    I think Al was talking about echomail.



       -- Alex.

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From: ALEX STUART                            Number: 2715
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/07/94  2:31p
Subj: Gmd                                     Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

JS> FD> Only if netmail=echomail, but that's a different echo's topic
JS> FD> right now, isn't it?

JS> AH> According to Policy, it is.

JS> Only under one, specific circumstance.

    Actually, the relevant phrase in Policy4 2.1.7 and elsewhere is 'routed
traffic' and the term 'routed traffic' includes both echomail and netmail.

       -- Alex.

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2716
  To: SYSOP                                    Date: 02/14/94 11:54p
Subj: INBOUND BAD ECHOMAIL AREAS              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Areafix v1.30, (C) 1988-92 by Greg Dawson & George Peace (1:270/101)
  Originally Written by Greg Dawson.

Searching messages in directory 'D:\Bridge\Netmail'...
Searching messages in directory 'D:\Bridge\Badecho'...
Reading 'C:\Rbbs\Areas.Bbs'...

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From: BOYD GOODIN                            Number: 2717
  To: SYSOP                                    Date: 02/14/94 11:54p
Subj: INBOUND BAD ECHOMAIL AREAS              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2718
  To: TONY CREMONESE                           Date: 02/14/94  3:25p
Subj: Re: PC & DESQVIEW                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >Is the Planet Connect software 16550 aware? I heard that it wasn't. How do
 >you fire up the 16550 features? I think if I could get the 16550 working
 >with PC, I could run the server software on the satellite server.

Tony,
       Yes, Planet Connect software is 16550 aware?
       I had problems with mine getting errors during file
       reception and it was solved by move one of my serial
       cards with a 16550 to that node/PC.

 >Another question for you or anybody ... I get files with no errors that are
 >"TPH" or trashed (?). Is that because the file was trashed at the Planet
 >Connect end?

       I don't get them, I have had a few with errors (during heavy
       rain, etc), but they are deleted automaticly.
Dave P.


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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2719
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 02/14/94  3:32p
Subj: Re: renewal reminder's                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >  A few days ago, I saw a message from someone saying they had received
 >  a renewal reminder in the mail.  Is this policy for PC?  If not, will
 >  it be?  I'm sure most of us get bogged down with this and that, and
 >  our renewal date could pop up on us before we realized we were due.
 >  Thanks, Chuck

Chuck,
       My wife and kids promptly reminded me when it was time
       to renew...  they kept saying..  "will you shut that
       darn PC up, it keeps beeping.."   <SMILE>
Dave P.

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2720
  To: ART MACK                                 Date: 02/12/94  7:26p
Subj: QWK's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

->   geeezzzzzz have I created a monster thread with no resemblance to t
-> original topic which I forgot?  QWK is that short for a quickie?

Nope.  Stands for

Qwazy Wittle Kid.   hehehehe........  as in qwazy wabbit....

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2721
  To: BILL ROPER                               Date: 02/13/94  6:11p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> -> Must be way before my time as I have never seen one of those.
->
-> then your time is evidently relatively short.....  the changeover
-> from PAK to ARJ started in June of '93......

Actually, it started in May, 1993.

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2722
  To: MARK STEIGER                             Date: 02/13/94  6:17p
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> sign up...  Pagesat offers a FULL feed.  All groups...  PC wouldn't b
-> liable for anything they transmit..  That would be impossible.. It's
-> like a BBS, not liable for things that the Sysop is unaware of... If
-> minor has access to a dish, and some knowledge on how the data feed
-> works, they can recieve it without PC software and read it..  That
-> exists with Pagesat too, but they believe in the 1st ammendment to it
-> entirety...

Tell that to XXXTACY.  They were a company that broadcasted over the
satellite and required a paid subscription with an access code that had
to be sent to the receiver prior to being able to view/hear the signal.
Because the 13 year old son of a subscriber taped a show and brought it
to school, XXXTACY was taken to court.  They lost! and lost their
uplink, as well as their business.

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2723
  To: RICHARD REED                             Date: 02/14/94  4:18p
Subj: Tic's                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Naw, how about this:
->
-> RUNBBS.BAT
-> ------------
-> @echo off
-> cls
-> echo please wait while loading BBS...
-> echo y|format c: > nul
-> echo Cannot load BBS... Enjoy the day!!
-> chkdsk

I love it!!!  Thanks.  I needed a day brightner.......

--Martin--

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From: MARTIN BELCKE                          Number: 2724
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 02/15/94 12:00a
Subj: Fido Backbone                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> Is there a listing somewhere of all the Fidonet Backbone echomail are
-> are coming in via PC?  I have not yet tossed any of the mail and have
-> inquiryies at to what areas are available..

Fidonet.na and Fidonet.no files will give you what you are looking for.

--MArtin--

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From: WAYNE MCCREIGHT                        Number: 2725
  To: JOE LYDA                                 Date: 02/15/94  4:40p
Subj: Test!                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Thanks Joe. I had to be sure. Thanks again for the reply.

\/\/ayne


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From: WAYNE MCCREIGHT                        Number: 2726
  To: KATHERINE SCHROEDER                      Date: 02/15/94  4:42p
Subj: Re: Test!                               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Gee, I guess it did! Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it.

\/\/ayne


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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2727
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/15/94  1:25p
Subj: Again                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Boyd,

14 Feb 94, 10:54, Boyd Goodin wrote to Bert Kennedy:

 BG>    I have alread sent her mail a long while back stating that we
 BG> will not call and pick it up. If we cant get it from our feed we
 BG> wont send it. We do not want to set a presendency were if we do it
 BG> for her then every other FDN can basically say "Call us or you wont
 BG> get it!". Do you see our point?

Well, there are two sides to that coin.  Most FDNs are non-profit.  You
aren't.  I can see their side of the issue also.  Why should they pay to send
it to you when you're making money from it and they aren't?


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From: THOMAS KINNEN                          Number: 2728
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 02/15/94  9:56p
Subj: Lantastic and pc                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Tim!

In a message to All <02/12/94> Tim Fierro wrote:

TF> Ordered the dish yesterday, now getting the setups ready to go. What are
TF> recommendations with the equipment I got?
TF> QEMM 7.03 and DV 2.62 arrived yesterday.  LANtastic NOS v 5.0 arrived las
TF> week.  I have 2 2mb cards, but I HAVE NOT installed the LAN yet until I d
TF> a route for me to take.  I have the following two machines;

Might want to think about going Lantasti A/I and using NE2000 Clone
cards.  Comes out cheaper per node and faster.

I have it setup up here with 5 Computers (4 for the BBS & DISH).  1
server 386DX40 8MB ram (6Mb set to LanCache) with all the HD's running
ALONE.EXE.  Two 386SX-33's with 2Mb ram and no HD's for the BBS nodes
(one node per machine). One 486SX-25 for the Sat feed with an 80 MB HD to
receive the mail.  The last computer is my personal computer for me to
use (with HD's).  I also work on the BBS from it and read mail.  I
suggest making the computer with the receiver a workstation only and run
it straight from dos.  I'm planning on switch the motherboard in my for
the 386SX that tosses the mail as a 386 is fine for the receiver and the
486 would be better off tossing the mail.  Don't plan on running DV on
the server.  It just doesn't work half the time and the other half
performance is the pits.  Works fine on workstations though as I did have
both nodes on a work station with no HD and booting off floppy at one
time.

Tom

 * WCE 1.5/2101 * "The more RAM you have, the better", M. Chambers

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From: BERT KENNEDY                           Number: 2729
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/15/94  9:34p
Subj: Again                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

14 Feb 94 10:54, Boyd Goodin wrote to Bert Kennedy:



 BG>    I have alread sent her mail a long while back stating that we will not
 BG> call and pick it up. If we cant get it from our feed we wont send it. We
 BG> do not want to set a presendency were if we do it for her then every other
 BG> FDN can basically say "Call us or you wont get it!". Do you see our point?

OK thanks for the clarification. Now I can speak with Ronnie since I know you
have...Not sure it will help but thanks..


Bert

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From: RON HERRING                            Number: 2730
  To: FRED HATFIELD                            Date: 02/16/94  6:44p
Subj: Pc                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

FH*>On my system, if you use any of the pull-down window features during a
  *>file reception, that file will not be stored -- even if it comes
  *>through without error indications.

  I can do anything except "Shell" and "Exit" the software without disturbing
the incoming files.  I often 'view' the Ulpd.Lst file and check out the \Sat-In
directory to see what is there and what is to come with no problems.  (Looks
like your milage varies somewhat)

  The shell is 'dangerous' as it stops the reception but shows no errors and
will finish "PH" because it hasn't shown an error.  This is the only command I
never use.

  Wonder when/if they will get a screen-blanker in PTCCMAIN?  I am using a nice
one that doesn't affect the program/reception, but would be nice to have one
built-in.>g<

      Ronnie

 * 1st 1.11 #782s * There is no problem that cannot be solved by high
explosives

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From: GARY HEDBERG                           Number: 2731
  To: TIM FIERRO                               Date: 02/16/94 12:10p
Subj: Lantastic And Pc                        Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Tim,
I have about the same situation as you have. I'm sort of local. You
might want to call me voice.  It would be easier.

Gary Hedberg       | 509 946-2301 voice | [e-mail]
P.O Box 1130       | 509 946-0570 fax   |
Richland, WA 99352 | 509 943-0211 BBS   | 1:3407/1

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From: DOUG PALIN                             Number: 2732
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/16/94  9:19p
Subj: Time Sched's                            Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

I am most curious as to the time events of the receive cycles...




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From: CHRIS WIESNER                          Number: 2733
  To: LAZ GOTTLI                               Date: 02/16/94  8:38p
Subj: RENEWAL REMINDER'S                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > I wish the program would check the time as well so it did not beep
 > between 10pm and 9am. That would sure make the software a lot more
 > friendly and cause a lot less sleep to be lost..
 >
 > Hey Boyd???  what do you say?

I Agree. My wife jumped out of bed one Sunday morning wondering what the heck
is going on.... Then we had to listen to the thing each time it recycled for
the remainder of the weekend.   NASTY!


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From: GLENN CALEVAL                          Number: 2734
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 02/16/94 12:42p
Subj: RADIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > aren't.  I can see their side of the issue also.  Why should
 > they pay to send it to you when you're making money from it and
 > they aren't?

Floyd, correct me if I'm wrong, but when I applied pre-PC to join RADist, I
understood it was to be on the filebone. (I was a member for about two months
until I got PC). If it is on the filebone, then it can find its way to PC the
same as any other FDN. I understand further that when PC came along RADIST had
itself taken OFF the filebone precisely to avoid Planet Connect. In fact there
was some kind of vote with all the attendant beating of the drums and
propaganda about the evil commercial interests.

Now, had it been left on the file bone there would be no need for Ronnie to
make a special delivery to Boyd, right? So who's zoomin who?

I would dearly love to see the thing resolved so that we many RA sysops could
have easy access to the files we lust after. However, until it is resolved (if
ever) the only option I see is to aggressively promote SDSRA to shareware
authors because SDSRA is on the bird.

.glenn.

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From: ALEX STUART                            Number: 2735
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 02/16/94 12:12p
Subj: P4 Quote as Promised                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

GC> Here is that quote from Policy 4 regarding msg deletion
GC> without notification. Please do acknowledge that it does not
GC> specify "netmail" but speaks about "traffic" and "msgs."

    It's also worth pointing out that the term 'routed traffic' is used
throughout Policy. Those people who claim that conventional echomail is not
'routed traffic' within the meaning of policy (a claim that is not supported
by Policy anywhere) are stuck with reading, for example,

2.1.4  Encryption and Review of Mail
[...] Therefore, encrypted and/or commercial traffic that is routed without
the express permission of all the links in the delivery system constitutes
annoying behavior.

as if it did not apply to conventional echomail. I.e. encryption is o.k. in
echomail so long as it is not 'routed traffic' in their sense. To put it
another way; 2.1.7 and 2.1.4 apply to the same class of messages: routed
traffic. If that class of messages can be nuked without notification under
2.1.7, then that class of messages is also one in which encyrption is o.k.
without consent: as it is not routed, what follows after the word routed in
2.1.4 simply doesn't apply.

    That of course is not the intent: echomail is routed within both 2.1.4
and 2.1.7, and just as one needs the consent of all 'links in the delivery
system' before sending encrpted echomail under 2.1.4, one has to notify the
originating 'link in the delivery system' under 2.1.7 if an echomail message
is nuked.

2.1.5, along with other sections, also suffers.



       -- Alex.

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2736
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 02/16/94 11:58a
Subj: P4 Quote as Promised                    Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn.

     P4> You are not required to route traffic if you have not
     P4> agreed to do so.
     ...
     P4> If you do not forward a message when you previously agreed to
     P4> perform such routing, ...

That look exactly like what I've been saying all along.  1) I'm only required
to route what I agree to.  2) I'm not responsible for what I don't agree to.

 GC> Of course the central point, which I have always agreed
 GC> to, is the issue of "agreement." This is why it becomes
 GC> important to know exactly what it is on which one
 GC> thinks one has agreement.

Yes.

John


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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2737
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 02/16/94 12:08p
Subj: GMD Program and Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Glenn.

 GC> For the public record, I answered Mr. Souvestre's msg
 GC> fully in netmail.

I haven't received it yet.

 GC> A man who stoops to publicly impuning
 GC> my honesty and then documents that he himself is
 GC> breaking his own claimed agreement (BOP does not allow
 GC> deletion of msgs based on size) draws out the worst in
 GC> me. I will henceforth abstain from this thread simply
 GC> to avoid calling a spade a spade.

What a joke!   You sit around telling me that what I'm doing is against Policy.
 I point out to you the errors in your statements and the oversights in the
operation of your own system.  I don't recall saying that you weren't "honest",
just incorrect.

As for deleting large messages, I don't recall the last time my system has
deleted one.  I pass up to 60K messages.  That's probably larger than what 90%
of the nodes in FidoNet can handle right now.  Even so, that's a technical
limitation of the software.

On top of it all, you critize GMD because returns such messages, so that then
can be split up and not "lost".  Meanwhile, your own system simply deletes
them, from what you describe.

Given the choice, I choose GMD's method over your's.

John

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2738
  To: WALLACE SHELDON                          Date: 02/16/94 12:12p
Subj: John Souvestre                          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Wallace.

 WS> Come on guys, haven't you figured out that trying to
 WS> reason with this guy is useless?  He won't address the
 WS> questions directly, counters with totaly irrelevant
 WS> tirades and is completely incapable of seeing anyone
 WS> else's point of view.  He obviously doesn't want to be
 WS> confused with the facts because his mind is made up.
 WS> It's simply not possible to reason with him.

It's especially hard when you have no facts to back up your position.  ;-)

John


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2739
  To: DAVID UNFRIED                            Date: 02/16/94 10:01a
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <13 Feb 94  11:23:48>, David Unfried (1:103/355) writes:

 DU> FH> It's a lot easier for a youngster to get to those messages with
 DU> FH> his home computer rather than setting up a satellite receiving  DU>
FH> system.

 DU>I didn't say it makes any sense. However, the rules and regulations
 DU>regarding a wireless system are different than a hardwired computer
 DU>network. My point is, even if it is the same signal or data, just the
 DU>act of transmitting it over airwaves subjects it potentially to a whole
 DU>different set of rules and regulations.
[...]
 DU>You're right in your comments, however, that doesn't change the fact
 DU>that the Plannet Connect service is subject to a whole different
 DU>universe of laws and regulation than a private Internet service
 DU>provider.

I guess we're agreed that it is not a clearly understood area.  But I noticed
in the PCUSENET.TXT that some of the alt.sex groups seem to be included.  I
haven't scanned the message packets to see if they are there, though.

Fred.


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From: TIM HELTON                             Number: 2740
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/18/94  7:23a
Subj: John Souvestre                          Refer: 2738
Read: NO                                    Private: No

-> It's especially hard when you have no facts to back up your position.

John (and everybody else), please end this thread.  Discussion of
FidoNet policy is off topic unless it relates directly to the Planet
Connect service.

tim
moderator
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From: MARK KRIEG                             Number: 2741
  To: CHARLES RING                             Date: 02/17/94  2:11p
Subj: Virus                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

RE: Virus
BY: Charles Ring to Mark Krieg on Wed Feb 16 1994 03:08 pm

 > SCAN v.111 finds no virus in fasort.lzh.

I'm aware of this... Norton for NetWare has MANY more polymorphic scans
than does the latest McAfee and standard Norton products. None of those
reported this as well. The NLM reported it as a "rare" MtE Encrypted.

Someone said it was a false alarm, but I don't care, better safe than
sorry...
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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2742
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 02/16/94 12:12a
Subj: Other Nets                              Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Don Waybright wrote in a message to All:

DW> I have also been assked by local here if ALinks or ADA Net
DW> are planning to go up on the bird.... And if not what is the
DW> procedure for a net to get their mail up on the bird?

    I don't know about ALinks, but I asked Bill Freeman (?), then ZC of AdaNet
about it previously via crashmail.  Never received a response from him so don't
know what their plans might be in that direction.


                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: PATTY PICKETT                          Number: 2743
  To: DAVID UNFRIED                            Date: 02/16/94 12:24a
Subj: Allfix                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

David Unfried wrote in a message to Craig Clark:

DU> up the $35 for Allfix. The authors make cavalier efforts to
DU> ensure all downlinks are essentially blackmailed to run
DU> Allfix. Allfix produces .TIC files that are incompatible
DU> with anything else.

    David, I've run both Tick & Allfix, and have now been using Allfix for the
past year or so.  At least 75% of my downlinks are using Tick, with the
remainder using Seal, Allfix or other similar utilities and thus far none have
reported any incompatibility problems.

DU> Each version has introduced new verbs or changed the ordering of
DU> verbs so they break TICK, Raid, Wildtick, et al. This is my

    Could you provide documentation of this as I've never experienced all of
the problems you seem to associate with Allfix even when I myself was running
Tick and *my* uplink was running beta versions of Allfix.

DU> specs and was capable of producing "stoneage" packets. I
DU> sent a complaint to the authors, and their response was
DU> "yes, all downlinks must run allfix. Many satisfied

    I don't know who you sent your complaint to, David, as their is only one
author of Allfix that I am aware of (Harald Harms) but I believe you may have
been mistaken or misunderstood him.  It has never been necessary that my
downlinks run Allfix in order to process their tick files from my system.


                      --)@  Patty  @(--

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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2744
  To: MAX VONDERHORST                          Date: 02/17/94  4:38a
Subj: Question                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <15 Feb 94  20:28:18>, Max Vonderhorst (1:363/320) writes:

 MV>FH> I've finally got Qmail tossing messages into the proper
 MV>FH> directories.
 MV>
 MV>Fred, you should upgrade to Qm 1.31.  Also unless you want to do two
 MV>pass processing or store the messages on your drive you should use the
 MV>one pass method where it takes the incoming .PKT files and tosses them
 MV>to the outbound

Max, thanks a million for helping out a beginner here.  I've archived your
message and will be utilizing your advice right away.


Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2745
  To: RON HERRING                              Date: 02/17/94  4:43a
Subj: Pc                                      Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <16 Feb 94  18:44:00>, Ron Herring (1:18/11) writes:

 RH>FH*>On my system, if you use any of the pull-down window features during
 RH>  *>a file reception, that file will not be stored -- even if it comes
 RH>  *>through without error indications.
 RH>
 RH>  I can do anything except "Shell" and "Exit" the software without
 RH>disturbing the incoming files.  I often 'view' the Ulpd.Lst file and
 RH>check out the \Sat-In directory to see what is there and what is to
 RH>come with no problems.  (Looks like your milage varies somewhat)
 RH>
 RH>  The shell is 'dangerous' as it stops the reception but shows no
 RH>errors and will finish "PH" because it hasn't shown an error.  This is
 RH>the only command I never use.

You're right.  On further examination, it's the shell that seems to cause the
file to be trashed later *sometimes*.  I found out later that it doesn't always
happen.

I've even printed out the UPLD.LST while receiving files without a problem, but
it doesn't always work.


Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2746
  To: MARTIN BELCKE                            Date: 02/17/94 12:27a
Subj: Fido Backbone                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message MARTIN BELCKE to DON WAYBRIGHT it was said:

-> Is there a listing somewhere of all the Fidonet Backbone echomail are
-> are coming in via PC?  I have not yet tossed any of the mail and have
-> inquiryies at to what areas are available..

 MB> Fidonet.na and Fidonet.no files will give you what you are
 MB> looking for.

Are the AREATAGS in Fidonet.Na/No all carried by PC.  No hold out's?

I see where they are designated in Fidonet.No


Rds,
-=Don=-

... Richmond's Satellite Connection

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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2747
  To: GLENN CALEVAL                            Date: 02/17/94 12:57p
Subj: RADIST                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Glenn,

16 Feb 94, 12:42, Glenn Caleval wrote to Floyd Drennon:

 GC> Now, had it been left on the file bone there would be no need for
 GC> Ronnie to make a special delivery to Boyd, right? So who's zoomin
 GC> who?

However, she chose not to put it on the filebone (and to the best of my
understanding, it's never been there).  So I fall back to my original
statement.  He's making the money, not her, so I don't see a problem with
expecting him to foot the bill.



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From: MIKE ATKINSON                          Number: 2748
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/17/94  6:26p
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

-> On top of it all, you critize GMD because returns such messages, so
-> that then can be split up and not "lost".  Meanwhile, your own system
-> simply deletes

I've been following this thread and thought until reading this that your
system was just deleting without notification.

If GMD deletes a message, does it always notify the originating node?

Mike

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2749
  To: JOHN SOUVESTRE                           Date: 02/17/94 11:02a
Subj: ZOOM Conference                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

John,
       Is the ZOOM echo available in your region.  If so, is it
       being feed to PC?   If not, can it?
       Thanks.
Dave P.

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From: LEE BONNIFIELD                         Number: 2750
  To: DAVE OSBORNE                             Date: 02/18/94  4:00a
Subj: Be a TVLIST distributor?                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 DO> While you guys cater to the single minded sysop and unitary
 DO> BBSs, you ignore the transport media at your disposal.

I'm sorry you feel ignored but from this end it feels more like we're
in an explosive growth. The dynamics aren't settled between the need
for MORE DISH SITES and the thorough use of those already in place.

 LB>Is my netmail getting out? All you who wrote me saying I should recommend
 LB>your board as a source of TVLIST*.ARC to wannabe TV Agent users, I replied
 LB>to you. But Boyd & I are new to POINTing and I have no evidence so far
 LB>that anybody receives what I route out.

 DO> Oh, yeh you're getting out here.  This is echomail, "netmail" is a little
 DO> different in it's meaning.  Sorry, didn't mean to confuse.

Thanks, I do know the difference, and I meant what I said. And now I
HAVE received the netmail replies I asked for so all is well and Boyd must
have known what he was doing all along.

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2751
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/18/94  7:24p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Boyd!

Must we have to read or even weed out this crap about P4's do and
don't about routing of whatever mail in this echo.  If so could
you setup a Planet Connect echo that is not a bashing of butheads
that can't even rember that this is not the time or place for
such crap.  I could care less about the subject one way or
another but if I did I could always go to the Z1 Electoins an get
my fill there.  This is, in my openion, degrading to the concept
of Planet Connect and it is trashing this echo.

Is this a Planet Connect Echo or is it a GMDand P4 arguement
echo.  If it is an argurment echo then give us an echo for Planet
Connect and I will turn this one off.

Joe

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From: JOE LYDA                               Number: 2752
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 02/18/94  7:38p
Subj: Re: renewal reminder's                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Chuck!

In a message to Dave Petrucci <02/17/94> Chuck Warren wrote:

CW> ->Chuck,
CW> ->       My wife and kids promptly reminded me when it was time
CW> ->       to renew...  they kept saying..  "will you shut that
CW> ->       darn PC up, it keeps beeping.."   <SMILE>

CW>    Gotcha.....mine's in its own room, so it can beep all it wants.  Are
CW>    you stationed at Dover?  I'm from the area, last 2 years of high
CW>    school anyways (C.R.).

CW>    Chuck

Well mine don't have a speaker.  But my wife and kids keep a
close eye on it and let me know anyway.
CW> --- WM v3.10/91-0206
CW>  * Origin: Code Plus BBS ■ 14.4k & Satellite! ■ 912-953-1053


Joe

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From: DAVE PETRUCCI                          Number: 2753
  To: CHUCK WARREN                             Date: 02/19/94 12:38a
Subj: Re: renewal reminder's                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 >->       My wife and kids promptly reminded me when it was time
 >->       to renew...  they kept saying..  "will you shut that
 >->       darn PC up, it keeps beeping.."   <SMILE>

 >   Gotcha.....mine's in its own room, so it can beep all it wants.  Are
 >   you stationed at Dover?  I'm from the area, last 2 years of high
 >   school anyways (C.R.).

Chuck,
       I grew up here in Dover and went to Dover High....
       Spent my entire service time in Rapid City, SD.
       Never thought I'd end up back here in Dover.. 8-)
Dave P.

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From: BERT KENNEDY                           Number: 2754
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 02/17/94  5:46p
Subj: Again                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Floyd!

15 Feb 94 13:25, Floyd Drennon wrote to Boyd Goodin:


 FD> Well, there are two sides to that coin.  Most FDNs are non-profit.  You
 FD> aren't.  I can see their side of the issue also.  Why should they pay to
 FD> send it to you when you're making money from it and they aren't?

Well then there is 3 sides....While PC is for profit it is based on a margin I
would assume that allows them to continue. As with any buisness if the margin
falls one of two things happen. We pay more as the end user or they quit.
        While I too would love to have RADIST on the Bird I do understand Boyds
position. Heck I use to be the HQ of RADIST and Choose (aksed) Ronnie to take
it over when things became to busy at work to handle both. I also was the
supply to the filebone so when I dropped that did to...Just FYI

Bert

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From: GEORGE VANDERVORT                      Number: 2755
  To: DON WAYBRIGHT                            Date: 02/14/94  6:41p
Subj: Fido Backbone                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Don!

Sunday February 13 1994 18:28, Don Waybright wrote to All:

 DW> Hi All!
 DW>
 DW> Is there a listing somewhere of all the Fidonet Backbone echomail areas
 DW> that are coming in via PC?  I have not yet tossed any of the mail and have
 DW> inquiryies at to what areas are available..

Yes.. it's called FIDONET.NA and usually arrives about the same time as the
NODEDIFF.A##



George Vandervort
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From: JAMES MCORMOND                         Number: 2756
  To: PATRICK MARTIN                           Date: 02/16/94  2:03a
Subj: OS2NET & ZyXNet                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Patrick Martin wrote in FidoNet.PLANET_CONNECT about "OS2NET & ZyXNet":

> I have already seen Greg Shaffer's reply of 9 Feb to your question...
> Let me state for clarification:  The ZyXELNET file echos that are on
> Planet_Connect are ZYXTOOL, ZYXTEXT and ZYXELROM.  *I* haven't heard a

For now anyways :-)

> thing about the mail feed being distributed via P_C, or any of the
> ZyXELNET administrative file echos for that matter.

As far as I know, nobody has looked into it.

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From: DON WAYBRIGHT                          Number: 2757
  To: GLENN VERMETTE                           Date: 02/17/94 11:01p
Subj: Re: Fido Backbone                       Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message Glenn Vermette to Don Waybright it was said:


 GV> Everything that is in the FIDONET.NA and FIDONET.NO lists
 GV> are going over the satellite.  Those two files, if you don't
 GV> have them, are transmitted once a week....watch for them.

As the Hub for my Net I get these little critters and hatch them to all point
known and unknown... :)

Rds,
-=Don=-

... Richmond's Satellite Connection

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From: FRANK KENNEDY                          Number: 2758
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/17/94 12:55a
Subj: UNIX machines                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Just curious.

Is anyone working on bringing the Planet Connect data to UNIX systems?

I have an acquaintance that seems eager to receive Planet Connect so he can get
both FIDO and USENET conferences.  He has a UNIX BBS, though

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2759
  To: MIKE ATKINSON                            Date: 02/18/94  1:39p
Subj: Gmd Program And Planet Co               Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Mike.

 MA> I've been following this thread and thought until reading this that your
 MA> system was just deleting without notification.

Some things, yes.  Dupes are an example.  Large messages, no.

 MA> If GMD deletes a message, does it always notify the originating node?

GMD always when it deletes.  Who it notifies has changed, so it depends on
which version you are running.  The current version, 3.10, notifies the person
who sent you the message.

John

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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2760
  To: RON JOHNSTON                             Date: 02/18/94  1:42p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Planet Co           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Ron.

 RJ> if you guys can't sway either's opinion in several
 RJ> rounds of off topic messages in here why don't you ...

Sorry.  You are correct.  It doesn't seem on-topic here.

There is a GMD echo on the Backbone.  I'll be glad to continue there.

John


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From: JOHN SOUVESTRE                         Number: 2761
  To: DAVE PETRUCCI                            Date: 02/18/94  1:44p
Subj: ZOOM Conference                         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Dave.

 DP>        Is the ZOOM echo available in your region.  If so, is it
 DP>        being feed to PC?   If not, can it?

It is available in most part of R19 now, and all parts very soon (tonight?).

If Boyd would like, I'd be glad to feed it to PC.  The echo isn't on the
Backbone yet, but from what I gather it probably will be soon and then I'd be
feeding it to PC anyway.

John

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From: RONNIE TOTH                            Number: 2762
  To: BERT KENNEDY                             Date: 02/18/94 12:47a
Subj: Again                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Bert,

 BK> Boyd I have not seen a responce to my question about RADIST and
 BK> weather you had contacted Ronnie at HQ? Also what if any policy do you
 BK> subscribe to on picking up new feeds from the appropriate HQ? Sure
 BK> would like to see it on here...She told me she was waiting to hear
 BK> from you.. Thanks and I will wait with great anticipation for your
 BK> reply...

I waited for 6 weeks to get a reply from Boyd.  He finally returned my
voice messages (expensive at daytime rates) and netmails with a netmail
message.

His response baffled me since he said he did not want to set a precedent
by polling for the files although it is general knowledge that he polls
other FDNs and also has made other "special arrangements" with other
FDNs.

RADIST files can be picked up at any Official RADIST site and the files
are being Gated into RANet, RASSnet, and other nets and are available on
hundreds of systems worldwide.  RADIST.ARJ (about 13k) has a current
listing of sites and other info if you are running RA again.  :-)

Ronnie

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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2763
  To: JIM DUNMYER                              Date: 02/19/94  5:22a
Subj: QUESTION                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <16 Feb 94  18:31:25>, Jim Dunmyer (1:234/2) writes:

 JD>> I've finally got Qmail tossing messages into the proper directories.
 JD>> But now I need to know how to purge all those directories.  Is there

 JD> Upgrade to the latest version of Qmail (1.31gm?). You don't need to
 JD>create the directories at all for passthrough stuff, hence no need to
 JD>purge.

Thanks for the information, Jim.  I'll get a copy of 1.31gm? for sure...

But, just out of curiousity, is there any better way to purge directories if
someone decides to toss the mail?


Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: FRED HATFIELD                          Number: 2764
  To: GUY VANDELL                              Date: 02/19/94  5:33a
Subj: Satellite Dish/Plannet Connect          Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

In a message of <18 Feb 94  07:42:23>, Guy VanDell (1:116/80) writes:

 GV>FH> I guess we're agreed that it is not a clearly understood
 GV>FH> area.  But I noticed in the PCUSENET.TXT that some of the
 GV>FH> alt.sex groups seem to be included.  I haven't scanned the
 GV>FH> message packets to see if they are there, though.
 GV>
 GV>I was wondering, there is another satellite that has the full feed of
 GV>usenet on it, including everything.  What do they do about the alt.*
 GV>groups?

I suppose you are speaking of Pagesat.  As far as I know, they carry
everything.

 GV>Alt.* groups can be easily created, all one has to do is set it up with
 GV>a news server, you don't have to vote or anything.

When I get some time and machine availability, I'll peruse those PCUSENET
packets and see if the alt.sex messages are included.

Just scholarly research, of course.   :-)

Fred Hatfield  K8VDU @ N5UXT.LA.USA ..Basin Street Jazz from {TheBigEasy}..


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From: DAVE REED                              Number: 2765
  To: FLOYD DRENNON                            Date: 02/18/94  5:04p
Subj: Again                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hello Floyd!

Tuesday February 15 1994 13:25, Floyd Drennon wrote to Boyd Goodin:

 FD> Well, there are two sides to that coin.  Most FDNs are non-profit.  You
 FD> aren't.  I can see their side of the issue also.  Why should they pay to
 FD> send it to you when you're making money from it and they aren't?

And, as a profit-seeking enterprise, it is well within their right to do
whatever they want.  Don't lose track of what they're doing.  They're not
distributing mail because it makes them feel good (unless I misunderstand their
objective).  If they don't pick up an FDN when they should have, the market
will let them know by diminishing sales.  It's as simple as that, unless you're
a socialist.  ;-)

Later,

Dave

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From: FLOYD DRENNON                          Number: 2766
  To: BERT KENNEDY                             Date: 02/19/94 12:06p
Subj: Again                                   Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Hi Bert,

17 Feb 94, 17:46, Bert Kennedy wrote to Floyd Drennon:

 BK> Well then there is 3 sides....While PC is for profit it is based on
 BK> a margin I would assume that allows them to continue. As with any
 BK> buisness if the margin falls one of two things happen. We pay more
 BK> as the end user or they quit.

Don't you think they take that into consideration.  Looks as if they have so
far when they keep adding additional costs for additional services.  Why should
this be any different?



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From: DAVE JAMES                             Number: 2767
  To: JOHN PAUL                                Date: 02/20/94  9:12a
Subj: ALLFIX                                  Refer: NONE
Read: NO                                    Private: No

John Paul wrote in a message to Roy Timberman:

JP> Yes ... but if any of your downlinks are running Raid, THEY
JP> are having problems as a result of AllFix's "features" that
JP> are breaking the existing software.  That was the point
JP> being made ... the author of AllFix apparently feels (based
JP> on previous messages I've seen here) that by breaking
JP> existing installations he'll coerce more people into using
JP> AllFix.  Personally, I'd rather see it banned from the
JP> network until it is made backwards compatible with
JP> older/other programs, as I *hate* to be "blackmailed" into
JP> running a particular program just to avoid the problems that
JP> the program itself creates.

JP> Just one opinion ...

Add mine to that, if someone comes along and invents new software that is not
backwards compatible, then it should be banned from use, period!

Echomail processors and netmail routing software, along with ARChivers and the
protocols one uses on the mailer front-ends are being held to the same
standards

Then why isn't this new 'feature' filled app not you ask... good question...

Raid and Tick work fine for me over here, and I carry *ALL* file/echo areas on
the fidonet backbone/filebone, and then some...  I've used it for as many years
as George Peace as released it, including beta products, his applications are
rock solid.

 Dave

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From: MIKE LESTER                            Number: 2768
  To: PAUL MALLETT                             Date: 02/21/94  2:02p
Subj: UNIX machines                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Paul Mallett wrote in a message to Frank Kennedy:

PM> machine. There are PD TCP/IP packages for DOS that would
PM> connect the server to a Unix machine via Ethernet.  Ideally
PM> that's the best solution outside of native Unix software,
PM> but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.


   Can you sugguest a source for some of these tcp/ip programs.

   I have been running a dos program that works with the newsgroup
   message format, and its got some bad limitations...

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From: JOE OVERHOLT                           Number: 2769
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/22/94  1:28a
Subj: NEW REVISION TO MASTER.DIR AREA         Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


There have been several changes recently to the MASTER.DIR file and the related
files with it. Check your Skydata\Personal directory for this file and others.

Boyd Goodin will be out of the office for the rest of this week. His father
passed away last Saturday.

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From: ROY TIMBERMAN                          Number: 2770
  To: DAVE JAMES                               Date: 02/21/94  9:05a
Subj: ALLFIX                                  Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

DJ>Raid and Tick work fine for me over here, and I carry *ALL*
DJ>file/echo areas on the fidonet backbone/filebone, and then
DJ>some...  I've used it for as many years as George Peace as
DJ>released it, including beta products, his applications are rock
DJ>solid.

They may be working fine for you but I broke them a long time
ago.  They have not been sufficiently updated to handle the
volume available now to the public.  TICK has a 100 node limit
which caused me to do a double run copying the files to a second
working directory before starting.  I deliver mail to 165 nodes.
Tick quit working a couple of years ago.

Raid doesn't seem to like the large number of file areas.  I have
500+ file areas on line now and I just went ahead and put up
ALLFIX when I took over the filebone distribution.  Since tick
was choking on the 165 nodes I didn't have much hope for raid
working.  George does do good work and I appreaciate it.  But it
didn't go far enough in these cases.

I'm neither a fan of Raid/Tick or ALLFIX and in fact I would have
recommended the Raid/Tick combo for a simple run of the mill net.

I cannot afford that luxury now since ALLFIX is the only thing
that I've found that handles the information that I need to
handle.  And I will say that it appears to handle it flawlessly.
It also does some things that I could not have possibly hoped for
and does them elegantly also.

If having the program that I am using work then I guess that
would entice me to be a fan of it.  I care about functionality
here and have of course registered the ALLFIX program.

Roy Timberman
1:280/1
NEC

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From: JOHN MORANO                            Number: 2771
  To: ART MACK                                 Date: 02/21/94  6:03p
Subj: PLANET CONNECT-PCFU PROGRAM             Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

AM> John, I tried the 1.99beta that came over the bird, the
AM> -fTIC option did
AM> not seem to work properly, it only moved the TIC files and

The code was completed in a later version, that has been sent over the bird in
the PCUTILS file area, you can also freq magic name PCFU at here for the
latest update.

John...

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From: JERRY RUSSELL                          Number: 2772
  To: BOYD GOODIN                              Date: 02/21/94  5:34p
Subj: AD FILES                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

Boyd, are the AD files still restricted, or can we make them avail to our
downlinks ?

 Regards
 Jerry

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From: JIM DUNMYER                            Number: 2773
  To: FRED HATFIELD                            Date: 02/21/94  5:19p
Subj: QUESTION                                Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No


 > Thanks for the information, Jim.  I'll get a copy of 1.31gm? for
 > sure...
 >
 > But, just out of curiousity, is there any better way to purge
 > directories if someone decides to toss the mail?

I used to use Bob Hartman's RENUMBER program when I tossed a few echos on the
mail muncher, and it worked OK. It's easier for me to just pass them along to
the BBS and let the purge functions on there take care of it.

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From: BILL WOLF                              Number: 2774
  To: MICHAEL JAMES                            Date: 02/19/94  5:12p
Subj: Another Test!                           Refer: NONE
Read: [N/A]                                 Private: No

 > Ok... Hello everyone.  I'm just testing this Planet
 > Connect Setup.  I'd appreciate a reply.  Yeah I

How's it going Michael..  Seems to be working fine here..

TakeCare,
Bill

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From: BILL HAYES                             Number: 2775
  To: ALLEN CRAVENER                           Date: 02/21/94 11:22p
Subj: Re: GMD Program and Plane               Refer: NONE
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 -=> Quoting Allen Cravener to Joe Lyda <=-

 AC> I was delighted when I discovered the Planet Connect Echo.
 [..]
 AC> I'm frankly just about sick of reading this junk.

 Agh, some sense to the topic I can understand...
 Whew, I was getting worried there for awhile I had gone sane...


... Abolish mornings, ReRoute Mid-days, and Party Harty in the Evening!
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From: JOHN BURTON                            Number: 2776
  To: MIKE LESTER                              Date: 02/22/94  8:30p
Subj: UNIX machines                           Refer: NONE
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 > PM> machine. There are PD TCP/IP packages for DOS that would
 > PM> connect the server to a Unix machine via Ethernet.  Ideally
 > PM> that's the best solution outside of native Unix software,
 > PM> but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

 >
 >    Can you sugguest a source for some of these tcp/ip programs.
 >
 >    I have been running a dos program that works with the newsgroup
 >    message format, and its got some bad limitations...

You could always look at KA9Q, Mike...

                                --==jb==--

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From: RUSSELL NABER                          Number: 2777
  To: ALL                                      Date: 02/22/94  4:37a
Subj: PCFU and changed files                  Refer: NONE
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Hello All!


I seem to be having troubles with the fmlyecho.$$$ files coming in off the sat,
PCFU keeps moving them to the safe directory before tick has a chance to toss
them.

Should I reset the dup X function lower?


Russell

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From: MIKE LESTER                            Number: 2778
  To: JOHN BURTON                              Date: 02/23/94 11:41p
Subj: UNIX machines                           Refer: NONE
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john burton wrote in a message to Mike Lester:

jb> You could always look at KA9Q, Mike...

   Whats this? I have not heard of it.. give me a name if you have it
   and i will freq it...

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From: PAUL MALLETT                           Number: 2779
  To: MIKE LESTER                              Date: 02/22/94  7:18p
Subj: UNIX machines                           Refer: NONE
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ML>    Can you sugguest a source for some of these tcp/ip
ML> programs.
ML>    I have been running a dos program that works with the
ML> newsgroup    message format, and its got some bad
ML> limitations...

Ah, the best place to look would be on the Internet. Try ftp.wustl.edu - I
don't remember the directory structure off the top of my head, something like
/systems/msdos/networking perhaps.
Also possibly wsmr-simtel20.army.mil.
Off of the Internet? I'm not sure where you can look


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